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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. And I've thought a lot about the

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, Like anyone that's loved sports, We've had

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Speaker 1: a lot of arguments since we were kids over who

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Speaker 1: was worthy and who isn't. And one thing I've found

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Speaker 1: is my standards for the Hall of Fame are higher

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Speaker 1: than most. And this is just a guy's Like I've

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Speaker 1: standards are incredibly high and listen. I've come to the

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Speaker 1: theory of Hall of Fame should be full of people

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Speaker 1: that are just first ballot Hall of famers. Now that's

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Speaker 1: not realistic, and guys that are deserving get in. You know,

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Speaker 1: it takes several times. I have a ton of respect

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying he's undeserving, but like it took

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Speaker 1: him several times. Jimmy Johnson took him forever. And I

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Speaker 1: think I might have mentioned this story before. I know,

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Speaker 1: me and Colin talked about it in his podcast that

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Speaker 1: next day to talked to Veach for an interview and

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Speaker 1: Veach was telling me, and then I had coffee with

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Speaker 1: were like, Bro, Jimmy got in front of the team

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Speaker 1: But when I think the Hall of Fame, I think

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Speaker 1: of guys like Peyton Manning, And I've said forever, uh

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Speaker 1: that Peyton Manning and Tom Brady were They were my

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Speaker 1: it to a completely different level, is what Peyton and

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Speaker 1: Tom did it. Now. The difference is that Tom. Let's

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Speaker 1: just say Peyton is Larry and Magic is Tom. Tom

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Speaker 1: And I feel it's very fitting and just very high level,

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Speaker 1: going to talk about Peyton Manning. He changed this or

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Speaker 1: But I always felt that Peyton if he didn't get

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Speaker 1: To me, if every Hall of Fame in every major

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Speaker 1: goes away, and obviously, if there's something serious behind it,

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Speaker 1: he's untradeable. But I do think from the scuttle but

426
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 1: that I've heard from people around the league, dig it

427
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 1: in and here's what NFL teams have. They have connections

428
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 1: to just different things and can find out information. So

429
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 1: whenever they tell you we didn't know, it's a lie, bullshit,

430
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: you definitely knew. Is that. I think teams feel more

431
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 1: comfortable about this situation than maybe they did three or

432
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 1: four months ago with the information they have gathered. So

433
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 1: the teams like the Eagles and maybe the Broncos to

434
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 1: who is Vic Fangio called their quarterback situation ation, even

435
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 1: Stephen have started to kind of line up because if

436
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: you feel comfortable that this is gonna go away, Deshaun

437
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 1: Watson is not going to be on the Texans. Well,

438
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: that's a fact. It's over now. He might whether he

439
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,199
Speaker 1: has to stay this year because of the situation, doesn't whatever,

440
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,679
Speaker 1: But if it ultimately goes away, he is going to

441
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: go to another team. He is not gonna play for

442
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 1: that team. So these teams that desperately need quarterbacks, the

443
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 1: Eagles are won. And listen, I thought the draft pick

444
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 1: was stupid. I looked at Jalen Hurts like a running back.

445
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 1: I would have moved him to running back now. I

446
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: watched him throw last year, was like, you know, he

447
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 1: had a good game, but for the most part, I

448
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 1: would I wouldn't start him. Now the Eagles don't have

449
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 1: a choice, right getting rid of Carson Wentz actually looks

450
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: even smarter now, even though ideally you wanted him to play,

451
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 1: so you get that first round pick, but whatever, you

452
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 1: just had to pivot off of them. And it's now

453
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 1: the Colts problem, which is a major problem. But the Eagles,

454
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: DeShawn wat they make a lot of sense. And even

455
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: though they were never really talked about originally, like it

456
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 1: was the Niners, it was the Dolphins, they have equipped

457
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 1: that skilled position group pretty well. At least they've invested

458
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: a lot into it. Right. They just drafted DeVante Smith

459
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: in the first round. Last year they took Jalen Reagor

460
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: in the first round, and you know, I think he's

461
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Speaker 1: a little bit to B TB D how good he's

462
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Speaker 1: gonna be, But you know he if ideally DeVante can

463
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 1: be the one. He just has to prove that he

464
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Speaker 1: can be a number two, which last year it felt like, God,

465
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: you draft a guy in the first round, he's better

466
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Speaker 1: be a number one. He doesn't even have that pressure

467
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 1: on him anymore. Dallas got a's really good. Urch is

468
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 1: still there, Miles Sanders a running back, they have. They

469
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: got Brandon Brooks back on the offensive line to go

470
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: with Lane Johnson, so they still have Kelsey. The Eagles

471
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 1: again the elephant in the room. This thing has to

472
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 1: go away. Like to me, if if it hasn't, I

473
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: think that's very, very risky and not worth the risk.

474
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: But the Eagles historically have taken a lot of risks.

475
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: They are pro risk. So why they've had a lot

476
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: of success. They have made a lot of transactions. How

477
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: he is good at making deals. He is a deal maker.

478
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: So if I had to just big picture, if DeShawn

479
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 1: is going to be traded, it just I don't see

480
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 1: how the Eagles and them don't. That doesn't happen now,

481
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 1: Could the Dolphins ultimately trumpet? Potentially? And clearly I think

482
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 1: there's some pressure onto uh because if someone tweeted at

483
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 1: me the other day, they're like, you know, if if

484
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 1: Lance is really this good, the Dolphins will never shake

485
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: trading that pick to the Niners, and I'd say, you know,

486
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna push back on that. I don't think Trey

487
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 1: Lance and to have anything in common. I think where

488
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: the Dolphins will never shake. If to Ah turns out

489
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,479
Speaker 1: to not be very good, will be justin Herbert because

490
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: they took to a Tonga by Loa, which at the

491
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: time seemed like a no brainer over Ston Herbert. But

492
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: who gives a ship what we think the media, I'm

493
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 1: not in the right and wrong business because I would

494
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 1: have done probably the same thing. I can't even remember

495
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: what I said. Maybe I wasn't a high onto it,

496
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: but whatever what anyone said right, all the hype onto it.

497
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: The media is not paid to be right or wrong,

498
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 1: just paid to get clicks or entertained. The general manager

499
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 1: Chris Greer and Brian Flores are their paycheck depends on

500
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: being right or wrong, and they have been right on

501
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: a lot of things. But the quarterback position. Talking to

502
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: Coward last week, and he's right. You can do everything

503
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: right in the sport of football, build a great offensive line,

504
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: build a good defense, higher good coach. If your quarterback

505
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: situation is constantly in flux, whether it's your fault like

506
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: the Dolphins or whether it's not like the Colts. That's it.

507
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: That's a major problem, and you cannot overcome that. It

508
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: is impossible. The Chiefs for Andy's first five years couldn't

509
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: have been any more well run. They had a great defense,

510
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 1: they had pass rushers, they had skill guys, they had

511
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: a dynamic head coach. But they were limited ultimately because

512
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: Alex Smith was limited that that that ultimately held them

513
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 1: back each year. And then they got my Homes and

514
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: it was been on like Donkey Kong, and I can

515
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 1: promise you in two thousand one it's going to continue

516
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: to beyond like Donkey Kong. Because we're at a Chiefs camp.

517
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 1: Some of their young dudes look good and we already

518
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 1: know they're older dudes are sweet. They're a powerhouse now,

519
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: But they would not be a powerhouse if they had

520
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: the same roster and they still had you know, pre

521
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: Alex Smith, before the Lake, they would just be a

522
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: really good team. So I I think when you look

523
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: at the Eagles, they know, like how is no dummy.

524
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: They're big on they were in constant of these studies.

525
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: They've had star quarterbacks, like he's seen it all, he's

526
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: been there with Carson, He's seen Jalen Hurts. He's been

527
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: there with Nick Voles, He's been there with Michael Vick.

528
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: He'd been there with Donovan McNabb, he's been there with

529
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: Kevin Gold. Like, you know, having a Pro Bowl quarterback

530
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: does for you and having an average guy does for you.

531
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: So the smoke the fire like it's it's pretty clear

532
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: what this thing is headed. Okay, let's uh, let's go

533
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: around the league a little bit. Just some things that

534
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: I've saw that have stood out to me. And I

535
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: think Dan Campbell has been in name that moved the

536
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: needle because of his introductory press conference right him talking

537
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: about biding the knees, and then I think he's kind

538
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: of turned into this easy punching bag for a lot

539
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: of the intellectuals in the media space, because let's face it, well,

540
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: I think one thing that the uh the media hangs

541
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: their hat on is their education, and they viewed Dan

542
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: Campbell is like kind of this meat head football guy,

543
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: and listen, he's got viral on some comments that have

544
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: been really funny. Yesterday though, I just went to YouTube

545
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: incredible app owned by Google uh slash website, and I

546
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: went to the Detroit Lions page and I just watched

547
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: a Dan Campbell press conference. And let's let's face it,

548
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: most people when they see Dan Campbell, the Lions are

549
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: probably just one of the least consumed teams in the league.

550
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: Are not that locked in. They don't get treated like

551
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: the Packers or the Cowboys or the Patriots or the

552
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: Niners or Seattle like that's just not their deal. So

553
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: most people are not that locked in on the Lions.

554
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: And I watched one of his press conferences like ten

555
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: minutes worth, and I came away thinking, this guy is smart.

556
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: This guy. I was impressed. This guy was eloquent and

557
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: candid on every situation he talked about, whether it was

558
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: penalty situations, whether it was individual players. I was just like, God,

559
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: I think this guy is kind of getting an unfair rap.

560
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: Now I'm not saying he's the next Bill Belichick, but

561
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: I think most people, if you just ask someone that

562
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: falls the NFL, what do you think about Dan Campbell,

563
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: they'd be like, oh, tough meat head, Like I don't

564
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: really get that vibe when I watch him now. He

565
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: looks that way because he's huge and he played in

566
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: the NFL and he probably beat up every coach in

567
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: the league pretty easily beside Rabel. But I'm telling you,

568
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: if you just watch a Dan Campbell press conference, pretty

569
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: level headed. I you know, he's not this up and

570
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: down roller coaster, you know, like another coach that I'm

571
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: gonna mention coming up again. I found myself I watched him.

572
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,719
Speaker 1: Tom Seula, I lived here when that happened. It was

573
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: a daily embarrassment, right I we all saw Freddie Kitchens.

574
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: That might have been a bigger embarrassment. I think that

575
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: some people are kind of insinuating and just taking educated

576
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: guesses that that's gonna be this situation. I don't know.

577
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: I would push back and say, probably no chance. Sean Payton,

578
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: who was one of the better coaches in the league,

579
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: one of the smarter guys in the league, has made

580
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: this guy his assistant head coach for years. Like that

581
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: to me, says something what happened when Freddie Kitchen was

582
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: ship can't took his buddy Joe Judge making him his

583
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: tight end coach. Tom Seula doesn't have a job. So

584
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: it's like I I viewed Dan Campbell probably a much

585
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: higher level guy than he credit for under the Giants.

586
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: I obviously they had a big fight the other day

587
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: in practice, Daniel Jones ended up on the uh on

588
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: the bottom of a pile, which is never ideal with

589
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: the quarterback. I saw a quote like Daniel Jones and said,

590
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: you know, the fight I was right there just just happened.

591
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: And of course Judge made him run wind sprints and

592
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: do push ups. I saw Robert Sale because I would

593
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: imagine if you're listening to this in New York, one

594
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: of the big talking points for for the New York

595
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: talking heads would be the Joe Judges tactics. Right and listen,

596
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: there there's an element if you're a Giants fan, you

597
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: grew up. I mean, the two best coaches. If you're

598
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: forty five years old thirty five years old, I guess

599
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: you probably didn't miss Parcels, but probably anything you know

600
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: older than forty Parcels and Coughlin to old school badasses,

601
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: well it's kind of football has changed a little bit.

602
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: And they asked Robert Salo what he thought about those tactics,

603
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: and rob Are just basically called them stupid. You know,

604
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: like these are grown men. That's not really how I'm

605
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: going to approach it. I would say this is pretty

606
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: black and white to me. It's very simple This is

607
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: not little leak, This is not peewee football, This is

608
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: not high school football. We are not teaching life lessons

609
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: in the league. This is a private sector business where

610
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: minimum salaries are six grand and several guys on the

611
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: team make ten to fifteen to twenty million dollars. If

612
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: you want to send a message in the NFL, do

613
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: you know how you do it? You don't do it

614
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: on the field, because you know, the majority of guys

615
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: on the field, beside a couple of chubby offensive lineman

616
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: could run wind sprints with their eyes closed. Do you

617
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: think wide receivers and dbs and linebackers worry about running

618
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: wind sprints. These are some of the most finely tuned

619
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: athletes currently in the world right now. So you doing

620
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: that is a little bit of theater. It's all for show.

621
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Speaker 1: If I want to send a message, which all the

622
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: good coaches do, do you know what happens? They cut you,

623
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: they find you, they hit you in the pocket books.

624
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: You know that little thing called money that makes the

625
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: world go round, Well, guess what, these guys make a lot.

626
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: So you want to send a message in the NFL,

627
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 1: you do it through your checkbook. You do it through

628
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: relieving a guy of his duties, a guy, a fringe guy,

629
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: he's a problem. You cut him, you give him the

630
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: pink slip, you give him up cardboard box, and you say,

631
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: pack your ship, you're gone. You see the Carolina Panthers, Uh,

632
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: there was that late hit. One of their players had

633
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: to get ambulanced off right there. I mean he couldn't

634
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: move his extremities. Everything that I read a day ago,

635
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: it was like it all came back. He's gonna be okay.

636
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: The person who the player that hit the the the

637
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: offensive player got cut. That's what Matt Rule did, because

638
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: that's what you do in the NFL. You want to

639
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: send a message to the locker room. You hit people's

640
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: check books, you put people on the unemployment line. You

641
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: don't make them run wind sprints to push ups. I

642
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: mean these guys, these guys bench press four fifty pounds

643
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 1: push ups. Hell, I could do fifty push ups right now.

644
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Speaker 1: You think your middle line, you think Blake Martinez needs

645
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 1: to do push ups, You think, say Kwan Barkley needs

646
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 1: to do wind sprints. What the funk are we talking about? Like?

647
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: I defended Joe Judge when I watched his football team.

648
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: I thought they were tough and well put together, but

649
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: I think sometimes his his tactics are a little little leak.

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00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to overreact to just a couple of

651
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: wind sprints, but it's now kind of a pattern. You

652
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: set the culture in the NFL by drafting and acquiring

653
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 1: the right type players, and if there is an issue,

654
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: you remove that individual from your locker room. You don't

655
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: beg him to change. You don't have him go around

656
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: the track and run gas ERUs. You find him or

657
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: you cut him. This was a story I saw the

658
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: the Vegas Raiders lost another executive, and Jason Cole reported

659
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: that the organization has uh I guess acquired in a

660
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: law firm just in case some of these executives kind

661
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: of come after them and and listen. I I think this,

662
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 1: and I've been saying it for years. I like Mark Davis.

663
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: He was I used to go to Raiders trading camp

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Speaker 1: when I had my radio show and we were partners

665
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: with the Raiders. He would come up and talk. He

666
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: was cool as hell. He's probably more normal and easier

667
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: to have a conversation with than the overwhelming majority of owners,

668
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: not just in the league, but in all of pro sports.

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Speaker 1: He's an easy hang. You can just b s with him,

670
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Speaker 1: very normal, And so this is not I'm not saying

671
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Speaker 1: this because I have anything against him, but I do

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Speaker 1: think that the NFL would do anything to remove him.

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Speaker 1: And if he has or any of his close confidence

674
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: around him, they have to know that. And there's some

675
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: rumors that obviously Corona was financially impact us all in

676
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: some former fashion. It had major finite anential ramifications and

677
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,720
Speaker 1: a stadium. A lot of money was on the line.

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Speaker 1: I went to Vegas last summer and I was staying

679
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Speaker 1: at the Venetian, and I'll never forget going to this

680
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Speaker 1: pizza place. I got a slice of pizza. Actually I

681
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Speaker 1: didn't get a slice of pizza or some cocktails for

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Speaker 1: the ladies. So we ordered some cocktails because we were

683
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: walking around, and uh, listen, I'm a curious individual, um

684
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Speaker 1: when it comes to business. I just started b esten

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Speaker 1: with like the manager, the dude who was standing there,

686
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: and I said, Uh, how's Corona treating you guys? And

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Speaker 1: I forget the name of the pizza place, but he

688
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: said that there were I think like fifty in the country,

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Speaker 1: and obviously they were at some big just different situated

690
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Speaker 1: some areas and some major cities, and he said, by

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Speaker 1: a mile, the last several years, this has been the

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Speaker 1: number one pizza chain of the group. We had generated

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Speaker 1: the most revenue, and there wasn't even a close second.

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Speaker 1: He said, during Corona we were by far dead last.

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Speaker 1: So the the the impact on Vegas and on the

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Speaker 1: casino business and just was a bit. Obviously, Mark rectually

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00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: impacted because they weren't able to have fans. And I

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Speaker 1: just the NFL if the Raiders could ever be put

699
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: for sale an open bidding, the Carolina Panthers went for

700
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: two point two billion cash. What do you think a

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Speaker 1: team with a badass stadium in Las Vegas where there's

702
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 1: no state income tax. Now, as we've seen, it's hard

703
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: to force guys out. It has to be some crazy

704
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: situation like what happened with the Clippers. I'm not saying

705
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: anything like that's gonna happen, but the league is just

706
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: I've always heard rumblings. Keep my air of the street

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00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: and know some people that know some people that like God,

708
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 1: the league is just desperate to remove him and get

709
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Speaker 1: a Bezos type, get a Dave Tepper type, get a

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Speaker 1: guy with some money. Mark Davis has no money and

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00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: Vegas that first year just crippled them. So these these executives,

712
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 1: the business people are leaving left and right. Something weird

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00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: is going on. I don't have the details. I just

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Speaker 1: know it's something to keep an eye on. Okay, let's

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Speaker 1: get to the Middlecoff mail back at John Middlecoff is

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Speaker 1: the Instagram handle he slide up in those d m

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00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: s like my guy Michael right here and you get

718
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: right on the show. That's how we h That's how

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00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: we interact with the people. I love the football podcast

720
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: as well as the invest in real estate talk. It

721
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: is easily some of my favorite combined in the minute

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00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: podcast episode. I don't know if you guys been following

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Speaker 1: the robin Hood stock I p O has been a

724
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: roller coaster ride. I didn't buy any, but one day

725
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: it went up like fift next day it drops like.

726
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: It feels like a fun stock to be a part of.

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00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: You gotta love the juice. My question for the mail

728
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Speaker 1: bag is, at what point this season do we think

729
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: we will know what type of player Too is. I

730
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: think based on the short lease he was given last season,

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00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 1: it's hard to judge him right now. I know Colins

732
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: said you would know by Thanksgiving, and I tend to agree.

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Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be very, very difficult for him

734
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 1: to shake the ghost of what could have been Justin

735
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,240
Speaker 1: Herbert on that team. Because if Justin Herbert is playing

736
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: well and to a just average, but better than he

737
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: was last year, I think it's gonna feel like a disaster.

738
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Speaker 1: So to me, it's just it's gonna be a weekly thing.

739
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: It's a big story because if they had Justin Herbert,

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Speaker 1: I think people would be like, God, could they compete

741
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: with the Chiefs? But that's fair or not? I think

742
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: just that's the way they'd be talking about him. So

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00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: I I think a lot of it has to do

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Speaker 1: with just Justin Herbert, you know. I mean he's twenty

745
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: three years old, so but how's he gonna get that

746
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: much better? He's small, can't really run, doesn't have a

747
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: great arm like those things they're not changing. Is that

748
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: kind of set like, isn't that? I mean it's he

749
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 1: could become I guess more accurate, Alright, I just I

750
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Speaker 1: don't know. I think it's gonna be very very difficult.

751
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,439
Speaker 1: Curious what you think will actually take for the forty

752
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,280
Speaker 1: niners to move Jimmy and go all in for Trey Lance.

753
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: We all want Trey obviously, but it feels like Shanahan

754
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: wants to protect him and not put any pressure on

755
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: the kid. I think there's a world in which a

756
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: third round pick from Indie changes all that. Well, Jimmy

757
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: makes twenty five million in India, has eleven million dollars

758
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 1: in cap space. Listen. I I think Jimmy for his efforts.

759
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: Without him, he wouldn't have resurrected this franchise. And I

760
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,280
Speaker 1: run a business that is directly impacted by the forty niners,

761
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: and he meant a lot to helping that thing get going.

762
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: So I I think Jimmy garoppolo. But he's not a

763
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: million dollar player anymore. You know, he's probably you need

764
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: to give him one of those Fitzpatrick type seasons and

765
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: he needs to prove it. He can't stay healthy. He's

766
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: just I I don't you don't trust him, you know,

767
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: game in, game out. I could not trade a third

768
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: round pick for him. Chris Ballard hit me up. I

769
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: would say, do not do it. One they can't even

770
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: afford he would have to take a pay cut. If

771
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 1: Jimmy G is not the starter the Niners are gonna

772
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: make him take a pay cut. See Jimmy G's financial

773
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: earning power is about to take a major hit. Now.

774
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Speaker 1: He's made a lot of money, but I don't know

775
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 1: if we'll ever see him be one of those five

776
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: million dollar quarterbacks again. I think he's a good backup,

777
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 1: which actually he might be perfectly suited for because you

778
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: can't really get hurt if you don't play that much. Hey,

779
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: big fan of the podcast, lifetime bucks fan here, Why

780
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: does Bruce Arians not receive as much credit for the

781
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 1: Buccaneer success last year's Brady? I mean every take that

782
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: I hear on sports media is solely about Tom. The

783
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: Buccaneers were an absolute dunster fire before Arians came in. Yeah,

784
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Speaker 1: I just think it's the power of Tom. I mean

785
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: Tom Tom Brady is. I mean, he's the greatest quarterback

786
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: of all time. You could argue he's like a top

787
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: five American athlete of all time in terms of fame accomplishments.

788
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Speaker 1: You just it's hard for a coach to overcome that.

789
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: Like Phil Jackson is an absolute legend. When he was

790
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: around Michael, people were talking about Michael. That's just the

791
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: way it works, right, so I anyone in the league

792
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: thinks very very highly of Bruce Arians. Bruce Arians is

793
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: a badass. He hires great staffs, but it's hard. It's

794
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: just tough. I'm and you sign up for you think

795
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 1: Arians cares, Super Bowl Rings, Super Bowl Ring. I'm hitting

796
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: up the Bay next month for a Dodgers game and

797
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: the I'm from l a Giants Dodger game and this

798
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: will be my first time going as adult. What bars

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00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: or restaurants do you recommend. I'll be honest, I haven't

800
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: been in the city of San Francisco and two years

801
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: like actually gone in there since Corona. I have not

802
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: been in the city of San Francisco, So I don't

803
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: know what's open. I don't know what's closed down. I

804
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 1: know this the Bay area. I don't know what they

805
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: all are, you know, the city of San Francisco, what

806
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: they're allowing. So whatever the extremes are with the COVID protections,

807
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: they're gonna be on it. So I don't know if

808
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: some of these restaurants shut down. They used to have

809
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 1: a great strip right across from the ballpark. Momos, Pete's,

810
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: Pedro's Mexican Food, just normal American food bars, it was

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Speaker 1: so fun that it was an incredible area for from

812
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Speaker 1: basically two thousand ten to two thousand eighteen. I don't

813
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: even know if it exists anymore. I know the owner

814
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: got rid of the properties. Who knows. That's where I

815
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 1: would always recommend, but I'll be I mean, I haven't.

816
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: I live twenty minutes away. I have not been in

817
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: downtown San Francisco in two years. I guess a little

818
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: under it's pretty nuts. So I that's where I would go,

819
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: but I don't even know if they're around. Longtime listener,

820
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,959
Speaker 1: first time messenger. I know the show is mostly based

821
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: in the NFL, but I'm curious if you have an

822
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: opinion or your thoughts on tape Martel's career so far

823
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Speaker 1: and his recent signing at un l V. I'll be

824
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Speaker 1: completely honest, I have no opinion. I might have to

825
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 1: is that the quarterback that played at the University of Miami.

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Speaker 1: Is that where he was? Yeah, I don't know. I

827
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Speaker 1: don't really have an opinion. So he's played, Oh yeah,

828
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Speaker 1: he's played Ohio State, transferred to Miami. Now he's at

829
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Speaker 1: un l V. I think this was a guy that

830
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Speaker 1: dated some some hotties on Instagram. That's how I kind

831
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Speaker 1: of knew about him. Hyped high school recruit. He's thrown

832
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: twenty nine career passes. So I don't know whether this

833
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: is fair or not, And maybe I have to change

834
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: this mindset because people are just gonna transfer just higher

835
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: rates than they've ever transferred. When you transfer to three schools,

836
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: I read flag you two schools. You know, Burrow did it,

837
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: Baker did it? People transfer whatever, it's not that big

838
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: a deal. Do you transferred to three schools? I'm out

839
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: on you. I'm out on you. So that maybe two

840
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: is the new or three is the new. Two you

841
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 1: transferred to three schools, I'm out on you. Un LV stinks.

842
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: I think that that coach Royo was the offensive coordinator

843
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: when Justin Herbert was at Oregon. Look at Justin Herbert

844
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: in college and look at him in the pros. That

845
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: guy might stink. I would not go play for that guy.

846
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Speaker 1: Longtime listener, I love the pod since the slow part

847
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: of sports here which borderline players, if any? Do you

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Speaker 1: believe evil eventually make the Hall of Fame? Sean Alexander,

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Speaker 1: Eli Manning, cam Chancellor, Frank Gore, Luke Keikley, Eric Weddle,

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Speaker 1: Matt Ryan. If you're ever in Seattle, let's get a

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Speaker 1: beer and bitch about the pactril of football, Seattle Niners

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Speaker 1: rivalry Go Hawks. Maybe this Russell Wilson, I would say

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Speaker 1: Sean Alexander No. I would say Eli Manning will get

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Speaker 1: in now. I don't view him as a Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame player. I view him as Hall of Fame moments.

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Speaker 1: And those moments came in the Super Bowl against Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady and Bill Belichick. It's just gonna get him in.

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Speaker 1: Is his career Like Philip Rivers had a better career

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Speaker 1: starting to finish, but those two years changed Eli's life.

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Speaker 1: I would say Cam Chancellor. No, though he's in the

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Speaker 1: Hall of really good, the guy was a beast. Frank Gore.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if Frank Gore was ever top three

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Speaker 1: running back any year of his career, but he had,

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Speaker 1: you know, a borderline Hall of Fame career. To me,

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Speaker 1: Frank Gore is like the best of the Hall are

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Speaker 1: really good, but he might get in just on longevity.

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Speaker 1: Luke Keickley hall of Fame level player now retiring early.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he'll get in, but I think

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Speaker 1: Luke Keickley is like a five time All Pro. Luke

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Speaker 1: Keickley's career looks very similar to uh to Patrick Willis

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Speaker 1: and his team captain on one of the best teams

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Speaker 1: in the league. He's Defensive Player of the Year, Defensive

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Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year, five team First Team All seven

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Speaker 1: time All Pro. Luke Keickley is a Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 1: Matt Ryan I would not put in. Does he make it?

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Speaker 1: It depends on how long he plays, so I would

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Speaker 1: go Alexander No Eli. I don't think he's a Hall

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Speaker 1: of Famer, but he's gonna get in. Cam Chancellor No,

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Speaker 1: Frank Gore probably close, but no keik leyes, Eric Weddle, no,

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Speaker 1: Matt Ryan. No. But I'm bad at Hall of Fames

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Speaker 1: like I, I don't think hall a really good guys

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Speaker 1: should get in, and they do, like Tony Dungee got

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Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame, Like I just have a

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Speaker 1: high standard. Like to me, he should be no brainers,

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Speaker 1: you know, Ray Lewis, Bill Parcelves, Bill Belichick, Peyton Manning,

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Speaker 1: Like it shouldn't be. There should be no debate border

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Speaker 1: for me and listen, maybe that's unfair. Like if you're

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Speaker 1: not like a first ballot Hall of famer. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if the Hall of Fames for you. Now, that's

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Speaker 1: not the way it works, and guys get in and

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Speaker 1: but I think Keithley is probably even underrated at this point. Dude,

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Speaker 1: it was a badass. Have a great weekend and uh,

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Speaker 1: see guys next week. Audi else