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Speaker 2: Do you Elizabeth scoutla dous? Not much? How you don't
Speaker 2: look forward to see you are?
Speaker 3: And here I am.
Speaker 2: I got a question for you. You'll never guess what it is?
Speaker 2: What size are my shoes? That's not the question. Three
Speaker 2: good guess by The question actually is do you know
Speaker 2: it's ridiculous?
Speaker 3: I do? I you know I'm a name connoisseur. Yes,
Speaker 3: we both thought we share that like funny names. I
Speaker 3: respect names, except for all those like tragedies as they
Speaker 3: say that and then you know, but and apologies if
Speaker 3: you have one of those, you didn't pick the name.
Speaker 3: So I was the other day I was listening to
Speaker 3: Amy Poehler's podcast, and she had Michael shore On who
Speaker 3: created Parks and Rec and was like worked on the
Speaker 3: Office and all, and he was talking about creating names
Speaker 3: for characters and some of like the hilarious names that
Speaker 3: they've had on like Parks and Rec. Elissa, Sapristine. You
Speaker 3: have to make sure no one else has the name.
Speaker 3: There was one. I think it was like Sue Gretzky
Speaker 3: Mantlebon I can't.
Speaker 2: Dash.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Sue, I've been I think that's.
Speaker 2: What it was.
Speaker 3: Anyway. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Live with it anyway.
Speaker 3: So knowing this, like I thought it was really funny.
Speaker 3: The interns forwarded me a message that we got on
Speaker 3: Instagram from Mark mccobbin, and it's a post on Instagram
Speaker 3: from Elite College Football with the craziest names in college
Speaker 3: Football twenty five seasons. Because that's another thing I love
Speaker 3: is the Key and Peel skit with like the names
Speaker 3: they made up. These are real And I double checked
Speaker 3: it because I thought, oh, there's no way, Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: they're real.
Speaker 2: This is like the first one.
Speaker 3: I don't want to say it out loud. Noah is
Speaker 3: his first name, but his last name is k n
Speaker 3: I G g A. He is okay. Yeah. Then there's
Speaker 3: General Booty and he kind of looks like a weird
Speaker 3: Kendall Nitro Tuggle Wow, Nitro Tuggle King Large.
Speaker 2: Yes, his family had fun.
Speaker 3: And his picture is pretty up. Yeah, he's all about
Speaker 3: that mobility. No, he's real too, mo m O h ability.
Speaker 2: Then dude person to get out, dude person different like Wyoming.
Speaker 3: He's from whatever the bears are. No, no, no, it's
Speaker 3: like a purple thing going on. I don't know blazon
Speaker 3: Loo Wong. Yes, there's sur sur Bible s I r R.
Speaker 3: He's got another epic. Yeah what else?
Speaker 2: Demon clowney, demon clowny, demon clown dad just went for broke.
Speaker 2: They're like, you know what, Yeah, that's got to be's
Speaker 2: uh brother or cousin Javeon Clowney.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah that's news to me. Sure there's a guy
Speaker 3: who is on Notre Dame fighting Irish Charles Do d U,
Speaker 3: but he uses the Chinese characters for his name on
Speaker 3: his uniform. Yeah, so it just looks like that.
Speaker 2: Oh I love that.
Speaker 3: And then Rocky Beers, Rocky Beers, Rocky Beers, and he
Speaker 3: has a mustache. He's like teletransported from the seventies Deuce
Speaker 3: Night Legend Journey. That's beautiful, Pooky Arterberry. And then we
Speaker 3: wrap it up tell is Grant beer Man, Grant beer
Speaker 3: but he's Grant beer Man. So Pooky Arterberry. The names
Speaker 3: are just so good, dude persons. Yeah, so they're ridiculous,
Speaker 3: but like in a beautiful way.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, in a very like celebratory of life way.
Speaker 3: Exactly. We have to celebrate every aspect of life.
Speaker 2: I love your spirit, thank you so much. Do you
Speaker 2: know what is also it's ridiculous. Elizabeth, tell me I
Speaker 2: have a story for you. I picked this one out
Speaker 2: extra special for you. It's kind of like thank you
Speaker 2: for like how you hooked me up with the Arnstein episode.
Speaker 2: It made me my man Arnold the brain Rothstain, like
Speaker 2: I gotta do Elizabeth's solid for you today. I have
Speaker 2: a nor Cow story. I know you enjoy those. It's
Speaker 2: the tale of a gentleman thief, which I know you
Speaker 2: also love that. He's a wild West outlaw that parts
Speaker 2: for me, but he's a folk hero that parts for you.
Speaker 2: He's also a poet, love love love this. He would
Speaker 2: rob stage coaches and leave poetry for the law.
Speaker 3: Stop it.
Speaker 2: Yes, he was a rare wild West outlaw who was
Speaker 2: also afraid of horses okay, which means he fled every
Speaker 2: stage coach robbery on foot or.
Speaker 3: On a penny farthing.
Speaker 2: He was also notoriously polite, well mannered. He never cussed, never,
Speaker 2: he's violence, never been mistreated. A lady, I just want
Speaker 2: to tell you all this up tops.
Speaker 3: You don't have to Work's incredible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he only wanted to get his revenge against
Speaker 2: Wells Fargo.
Speaker 3: I love this.
Speaker 2: He was a hero of the people, Elizabeth. Elizabeth's name
Speaker 2: was Black Bart.
Speaker 3: Get out of town.
Speaker 2: Yeah, buckle up, Buttercup.
Speaker 4: This is ridiculous crame podcast about absurd and outrageous capers,
Speaker 4: heistand cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free and
Speaker 4: one hundred percent ridiculous. Oh, Elizabeth, Now I know you
Speaker 4: have a soft spot for nonviolent gentlemen or gentlewomen, also
Speaker 4: especially thieves.
Speaker 2: Now you've covered a few thieves who operate with style
Speaker 2: pinas oh make their way through the world, sailing on
Speaker 2: that wind of criminality. Now who is this Black Bart?
Speaker 2: He doesn't sound like me. He would up front be
Speaker 2: one of your people. Know. He was, as I said,
Speaker 2: an outlaw folk hero poet okay, operating in norcl in
Speaker 2: the eighteen seventies and eighteen eighties.
Speaker 3: He's like an early like Peter Coyote.
Speaker 2: The high Time of the Old West, right for starters.
Speaker 2: He's deaf my kind of guy, because, for instance, Black
Speaker 2: Bart was a self applied nickname, like how I dubbed
Speaker 2: myself Dizzy. He never told you that anyway, My man
Speaker 2: black Bart didn't trust the nineteenth century press to give
Speaker 2: him a good nickname. So he's like calling me black bar.
Speaker 3: I believe it because we know how the papers were right,
Speaker 3: they did you dirty shirt.
Speaker 2: Hey, Now he was born.
Speaker 3: Like you know, Pickle knows Johnson, Like wait, what.
Speaker 2: No blue tooth Gregory he was This dude was born
Speaker 2: in Norfolk, England, eighteen twenty nine. Okay, right, But his
Speaker 2: parents named him Charles Bowles, third to ten children. He
Speaker 2: was not going to inherit the family spread. That was clear.
Speaker 2: So he had to make his way in the world.
Speaker 2: And true to this show, he chose crime. But not
Speaker 2: at first, Elizabeth. At first he tried to go legit,
Speaker 2: like when he was a toddler. His family picked up
Speaker 2: sticks and jolly old and they left England and moved
Speaker 2: to New York. Not New York City. The immigrant family
Speaker 2: settled in Jefferson County. I had to look this up.
Speaker 2: It's near a spot called Alexandria Bay, which is right
Speaker 2: there at the Canadian border. Okay, right, So the settlement
Speaker 2: at the time was new. If the family showed up,
Speaker 2: the area was settled in like eighteen seventeen. The Bolls
Speaker 2: family shows up in eighteen thirty one, so the buildings
Speaker 2: still have their first code of paint yeah, yeah, right.
Speaker 2: So anyway, if everything's going along nice, they make their
Speaker 2: way in America and then boom, eighteen forty nine comes along.
Speaker 2: The news washes across the continent that gold has been
Speaker 2: discovered this place called Sutter's Fort in California. News kicks
Speaker 2: off Gold Rush of eighteen forty nine. As you well know,
Speaker 2: just twenty years old at the time, young Charlie Bowles
Speaker 2: and two of his brothers head west to go and
Speaker 2: find their fortune in the gold Hills of California. Exciting
Speaker 2: now they were about it, Elizabeth. They didn't even hesitate.
Speaker 2: They just saw the headlines and started walking west. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's how I pictured it. I don't know anyway, they
Speaker 2: arrived in eighteen forty nine. They made they were forty nine,
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. Like they saw the first headliner
Speaker 2: like good for me, I'm good.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The wagons, yeah, I assume what are.
Speaker 3: These blue jeans we've heard about?
Speaker 2: Who's this Levi Strauss fellow? I heard he makes a
Speaker 2: good product. Now, crossing country in eighteen forty nine was
Speaker 2: no joke. There was no trans continental railroad at this time.
Speaker 2: But they make it out to California. I assume you're right.
Speaker 2: They took a wagon. I don't know. They ran up
Speaker 2: to Gold Country stake their claim as gold miners. They
Speaker 2: mine along the North Fork of the American River. They're
Speaker 2: above some Sacramento. Apparently they found jack squat because after
Speaker 2: three years mucking about in the cold water streams, digging
Speaker 2: in the earth, you know, panning for gold, they came
Speaker 2: away with little to show for their efforts. Of the
Speaker 2: three Bulls brothers head back to New York. Oh really, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's eighteen fifty two. Okay, the Bulls Brothers still had
Speaker 2: gold fever though, if we could just get back to California.
Speaker 2: So they managed to get some scratched together and the
Speaker 2: three turn right back around and they go back to California.
Speaker 2: The gold rush is still kicking on at this point, right, So.
Speaker 3: Well, and the thing is is everything was so expensive.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, in California. It's like how now where if
Speaker 3: people are? You know, it's like a twenty five dollars sandwich.
Speaker 3: Well that's how it was then, and the gold rushes.
Speaker 3: Everything was outsized price wise.
Speaker 2: Everyone's paying for gold dust. They're like, yeah, they're paying
Speaker 2: with gold dust.
Speaker 3: So if you're going and you're not successful, and then
Speaker 3: you're not turning around and selling shovels. Totally good point,
Speaker 3: you know, or doing people's laundries, or making crime my people,
Speaker 3: making saddles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good answer. Everybody needs a place to sit.
Speaker 3: And so yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: So, like I said, crossing continent before the Transcontinental Railroad
Speaker 2: was no joke, right, So, and I don't just mean like, oh,
Speaker 2: there's a threat of dispossessed natives or like the attack
Speaker 2: by horse, the all the violent men rattling around in
Speaker 2: the wild attack. But there's yeah, there's disease illness. When
Speaker 2: the three Bulls brothers returned to Gold Country, both of
Speaker 2: Charlie Bulls's brothers are severely sick from the trip.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Shortly thereafter both die. Oh no, now.
Speaker 3: He's alone dysentery just like an Oregon pretty much exactly.
Speaker 2: So, now he's alone in the world, young, grieving, still
Speaker 2: got gold fever. So he tries to make it a
Speaker 2: goal of it as a gold miner all by himself. Right,
Speaker 2: He stuck it up for another two years. Luck still pitiful, Elizabeth.
Speaker 2: So he packs it back up, heads back to east
Speaker 2: and we head in his hands, Like I.
Speaker 3: Get salty because it's like a five hour flight, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. They're just like.
Speaker 2: Weeks and weeks off, not months.
Speaker 3: That takes a lot. You got a lot of metal.
Speaker 2: So it was good that he returned home to New York, though,
Speaker 2: because that's where he met a young woman and they
Speaker 2: fell in love. Elizabeth. Her name was Mary Elizabeth Johnson,
Speaker 2: just like the most nineteenth century Nativist American name you
Speaker 2: could come up with, Mary Elizabeth Johnson.
Speaker 3: She would not do well in the NFL.
Speaker 2: He would not the pair Mary, right, and they had
Speaker 2: to make a go of it. After a few years,
Speaker 2: he convinceds her, we need to move west. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: she's like, I don't know about it. He's like, no,
Speaker 2: not all the way to got to California. You don't
Speaker 2: worry about that. I've shaken the gold fever. Let's move
Speaker 2: to Decatur, Illinois. So they moved to Decatur, Illinois. They
Speaker 2: make a life for themselves, or Charlie Bowles tries to
Speaker 2: make a life for himself. They have four kids, nice family, right,
Speaker 2: good nineteenth century Americans. Charlie Bowles tries his hand at farming,
Speaker 2: does some teaching. This is around eighteen sixty and if
Speaker 2: you know American history, you know what's blowing around in
Speaker 2: the breeze. But it's yet to come to bloody fruition. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the American Civil War. The war breaks out, Charlie Bowles
Speaker 2: is they're in Decatur, Illinois. Does He's not under threat
Speaker 2: of what's happening, but he still is like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: this is not right. Takes him a little while, but
Speaker 2: by the end of eighteen sixty two, middle of eighteen
Speaker 2: six I think spt. August, he signs up to fight. Oh,
Speaker 2: he joins the Union. So, like I said, out lawful Curry,
Speaker 2: he knows to be on the right side of the
Speaker 2: Civil War. Now he joins Company B of the one
Speaker 2: hundred and sixteenth Illinois Regiment, signs up to fight under
Speaker 2: General WILLI to come to Sherman, not yet a general,
Speaker 2: but comes to Sherman. He stays with this general for
Speaker 2: the duration of the war. Oh, he is there, rifle
Speaker 2: in hand for every battle Sherman fought.
Speaker 3: Oh wait he goes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he made the march. He was in the big fights,
Speaker 2: the little fights. He was in seventeen major Civil War battles,
Speaker 2: major ones. He was also all the major ones. Right,
Speaker 2: So his luck holds up. He's no good at gold mining,
Speaker 2: but he was a hell of a Civil War soldier.
Speaker 2: He does get wounded, not once, not twice, three times.
Speaker 2: He gets seriously hit at Vicksburg, and that's like rhea.
Speaker 2: Is like post up like in the military hospital for
Speaker 2: a while. But he survived to the end of the war.
Speaker 2: There he is, as you asked with General Sherman when
Speaker 2: he makes his fiery march to the to the seas
Speaker 2: were burning down half of Georgia. Yes, yes, Queen. June seventh,
Speaker 2: eighteen sixty five. Civil Wars won the nation, stitching itself
Speaker 2: back together no longer a young man, Charlie Bowles goes
Speaker 2: back to Illinois, back to his wife and family. Now,
Speaker 2: I don't know if the war changed. Okay, I do
Speaker 2: know the war because war changes everybody. So I mean,
Speaker 2: I know it changed him, but I don't know how
Speaker 2: it changed him. And they don't have language like PTSD
Speaker 2: back then. Sure, they don't even have shell shock. That's
Speaker 2: like a World War one time exactly so. But he's
Speaker 2: walking around in Decatur, Illinois, and he cannot get back
Speaker 2: to the quiet life of farming.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So in eighteen sixty seventy he's like, I'm going west,
Speaker 2: but the gold rush at this point has passed in California,
Speaker 2: so he can't go back to the Gold Hills. Instead,
Speaker 2: he goes to Montana where they've recently discovered gold. Idaho. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so they're finding smaller.
Speaker 3: Pockets here on the silver, a bunch of silver as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's exactly the silver comstock load. And so he
Speaker 2: starts mine for precious medals in Montana and Idaho. At
Speaker 2: this point, he's still in contact with his wife and
Speaker 2: his family, sending regular letters, sending money back home. One
Speaker 2: of his letters, dated eighteen seventy seven, he writes to
Speaker 2: his wife complains he had some real bad business with
Speaker 2: the road agents from the Wells Fargo company did him dirty, right,
Speaker 2: So in the letter he promises his wife that he
Speaker 2: will get his revenge against Henry Wells and William Fargo
Speaker 2: and Elizabeth. My man was good to his work to
Speaker 2: do that, though Charlie bowls. He picks up state again
Speaker 2: and he goes truly wes. This time, he returns to California.
Speaker 2: He's like, where are them? Wells Fargo is located, So
Speaker 2: gold rush may be over, but there's still plenty of
Speaker 2: loose wealth, rocking and rolling around the gold country and
Speaker 2: lock boxes loaded onto stage coaches operated by who well
Speaker 2: Wells Fargo and Company. And that's who Charlie Bowles makes
Speaker 2: the sole target of his outlaw ways.
Speaker 3: You're kidding them.
Speaker 2: Just fixates on stage coaches if it's red and says
Speaker 2: in yellow Wells Fargo, he's hitting it unlike gold mining.
Speaker 2: When it comes to being an outlaw ful hero, Charlie
Speaker 2: Bowles is as lucky as he was in war. He
Speaker 2: finds he's good at being a bandit. Yeah, he holds
Speaker 2: the record for rob stage coaches as my man black Bart.
Speaker 2: He pulled off twenty more stage coach robberies than any
Speaker 2: other highwayman wild Way.
Speaker 3: And I've not heard of this.
Speaker 2: I know I had not heard about him either, ntil
Speaker 2: I read about them to do this story for you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he holds the record at twenty nine successful stage coach
Speaker 2: robberies twenty nine and his thirtieth was his fateful last
Speaker 2: ride years black Bart frustrated the hell out of law
Speaker 2: and all the road agents from the Wells Fargo Company.
Speaker 2: He just reeks his earthly revenge against the bankers. So
Speaker 2: now that we've met our anti hero. Let's take a
Speaker 2: little break and after these messages we'll get to the criming. Yes,
Speaker 2: we're back, Elizabeth. Oh you ready to get to know
Speaker 2: my man Black Bart. Yes.
Speaker 3: Every time you say his name, I think of a
Speaker 3: Christmas story. Oh right, he wants the red writer bb
Speaker 3: gun And it's all because I'll get you black Bart.
Speaker 2: That's the thing. The name his name sticks around. He
Speaker 2: has such a compelling name, but becomes like this moniker
Speaker 2: for villains, and yet we as you hear, he's really
Speaker 2: not that guy, like yeah tough. Anyway, First of all,
Speaker 2: don't let his name you I just want to let
Speaker 2: you know Black Bart is not a black cowboy, Am
Speaker 2: i am?
Speaker 3: I correct that it's black Bard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, he's in tunes too, Yeah exactly. It's a
Speaker 2: very common stand in name for like the cowboy villain.
Speaker 3: Total yeah.
Speaker 2: And it also has that dime store novel quality.
Speaker 3: Or dial Yes, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: So fine, He's not this notorious bad Man's my point right.
Speaker 2: Black Bard doesn't have a surly demeanor, doesn't have noxious vibes.
Speaker 2: He's not a big gruff villain, but he gives himself
Speaker 2: this gnom to crime. So it was, as I said,
Speaker 2: based on his literary leanings. Yeah, he is. He's a
Speaker 2: different kind of folk caro outlaw.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: He was known like for instance, he was known to
Speaker 2: read the Bible regularly. He was partial to the words
Speaker 2: of Shakespeare, would quote him. He black Bart, he has
Speaker 2: as I said, didn't didn't smoke, didn't drink. He also
Speaker 2: didn't smoke opium or hashish. As the newspapers would point out,
Speaker 2: they he doesn't smoke opium. It's like, I guess it
Speaker 2: was common enough you had to point this out. So
Speaker 2: he also he didn't swear. And if if it weren't
Speaker 2: for the you know, all the stage coach robberies. Really
Speaker 2: an exemplary life for a golden sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But as I told you up top, as Billy Bob
Speaker 2: Thorton put it in Tombstone, black Bart was pretty brave
Speaker 2: for a man who didn't go healed in the Old West.
Speaker 2: Maybe he didn't carry shooting irons either, Yeah, neither out
Speaker 2: in the open or secreted on his person. Really, Yeah,
Speaker 2: but he did. Black Bart did carry a double barrel
Speaker 2: shotgun that he saw it off and he used that
Speaker 2: when he was working as an outlaw stage coach Bandit okay,
Speaker 2: but a lot of people out of historians think it
Speaker 2: was never loaded headed off shot, but I found in
Speaker 2: interviews he said it wasn't as an emergency precaution. He
Speaker 2: just never had to use it. Yeah, I don't think
Speaker 2: anybody would go out there with an unloaded weapon and
Speaker 2: being like, I'm going to point this this somebody who
Speaker 2: may have a loaded weapon.
Speaker 3: Exactly see how this plays, because when you when you
Speaker 3: start to draw it out from something, if he's pulling
Speaker 3: it from under a jacket, that's when you get shot. Yeah,
Speaker 3: before you even have it fully exactly what.
Speaker 2: It's a gun. It's a gun. Someone else sees it,
Speaker 2: they're gonna be.
Speaker 3: Like, oh gun, gun stop persisting.
Speaker 2: In his record twenty nine, stage coach rob as I said,
Speaker 2: not once does he ever fire his double barrel sot
Speaker 2: off shotgun. The street sweepers there for show, but the
Speaker 2: stage coach drivers are known. This is where we get
Speaker 2: the term shotgun. They have a guy riding next day,
Speaker 2: he carries a shotgun. That's the shotgun seat. So he's
Speaker 2: going mano a mano with them in terms of like, oh,
Speaker 2: I've got what they've got now. When he would rob
Speaker 2: a stage coach, he never bothered the passengers because he
Speaker 2: was he was very was known to be kind to
Speaker 2: the ladies. He used his best manners. He would always
Speaker 2: say ma'am, please and thank you, and they could let
Speaker 2: him know. And he was also that he wasn't gonna
Speaker 2: hurt anybody. And he was also very compliant with stage
Speaker 2: coach drivers about like oh me, hold your horses, you
Speaker 2: get down, you know, like seriously, he was just like
Speaker 2: incredibly considerate. And I mentioned in my intro, but by
Speaker 2: far this is my favorite detail is that he's terrified
Speaker 2: of horses. So he's an outlaw who does not ride
Speaker 2: a horse, cannot escape on a horse. He rides a
Speaker 2: stage coach and then he just walks away into the woods.
Speaker 2: Just trying to picture that.
Speaker 3: He's like Homer Simpson drifting.
Speaker 2: Back in the exactly just put into like valley oaks.
Speaker 2: So at this point for his outlaw look, he was
Speaker 2: also a partial to long dusters, like those coats if
Speaker 2: you know, like they're they're made interestingly for riding horses
Speaker 2: to protect you from like the choya and the cactus,
Speaker 2: and they supposed to cover your legs. I guess he
Speaker 2: just liked the look, so he would wear those. He
Speaker 2: also liked a bowler. He was a bowler man, a
Speaker 2: professional bowler, I mean like the rounded top hats. So
Speaker 2: when he was not working, when he's not doing his
Speaker 2: outlaw business, he would have on it was common to
Speaker 2: have a bowler. Sometimes he would have like a gold
Speaker 2: tip cane, stylish rakish gentleman. Right, But when he was
Speaker 2: working as an outlaw, he'd pull a flower sack over
Speaker 2: his head, cut out two eye holes and then it
Speaker 2: he's like basically something Stooby Dudes, yeah, villain or the Zodiac.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, it was quite the look. It was shocking
Speaker 2: for people then as it would be now now. But Elizabeth,
Speaker 2: I'd like to take you back to the eighteen seventies,
Speaker 2: to northern California, to the Gold Country and to get
Speaker 2: to robbing stage coaches. But first I think we need
Speaker 2: to discuss one last thing, which is stage coaches themselves. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel like you need to know a little bit
Speaker 2: more about the black parts targets. Do you know much
Speaker 2: about stage coaches.
Speaker 3: I mean I'm not an expert or anything. I've seen
Speaker 3: one of the original Wells Fargo ones they have like
Speaker 3: it's been refurbished at the big Wells Fargo Financial district.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so that you can see it through a
Speaker 3: window which you can also go inside link and rocks
Speaker 3: and yeah, I don't think I've ever been in it,
Speaker 3: but like it's not huge.
Speaker 2: No, those are the more common ones. Those are a
Speaker 2: little bit smaller than what I'm describing, which is for
Speaker 2: the luxury line of stage coaches. It was something called
Speaker 2: the concord okay, and the stage coach that one could
Speaker 2: hold nine people inside the coach. It was much bigger
Speaker 2: than like the ones you used to probably fit like six,
Speaker 2: yeah comfortably. No, the driver would sit up front and
Speaker 2: then there would be a dress seat next to the driver.
Speaker 2: That's where the man the chotgun right you. So then
Speaker 2: also there's roughly a dozen seats they're called the Dickey
Speaker 2: seats that were located on top of the coach. You
Speaker 2: could just ride in the free air up there with
Speaker 2: the luggage with like the brass rails, exactly like a
Speaker 2: train in India. So that's how people would ride. They're
Speaker 2: called Dickey seats, and they'd have no shielding from the
Speaker 2: dust so when the weather anything, but the seats are cheap,
Speaker 2: I guess, and they'd be up there with the leather
Speaker 2: mail bags, right, so.
Speaker 3: Beneath the woods and the pine branches by a low branch.
Speaker 2: So also, I forgot to tell you there's the beneath
Speaker 2: the mule skinner seats. That's the wagon driver's name, right. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's something called the lock box, so the aka the
Speaker 2: treasure box. This is where Wells Fargo would put their
Speaker 2: gold coin, the bullion, the gold dust collected from the hills,
Speaker 2: and all their precious metals, right, but also stocks, bawds,
Speaker 2: treasury bills, you name it, they're all there in the
Speaker 2: lock box. This whole rig gets pulled by a team
Speaker 2: of usually four to six horses, and to keep these
Speaker 2: animals from tiring out and pulling over all this weight
Speaker 2: over hill and dale and mountain path and valley floor,
Speaker 2: the horses would travel about ten miles and then they
Speaker 2: would be changed out. This ride is stopping every ten miles, yeah,
Speaker 2: and then changing out all the horses, which takes time,
Speaker 2: and they're feeding them and everything. And that's why it's
Speaker 2: called a stage coach. He goes in stages.
Speaker 3: I don't know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. So when the horses get uncoupled
Speaker 2: from the stage coach and the new team horses get
Speaker 2: strapped in every ten miles or so. This makes them
Speaker 2: vulnerable to banditry. But that's also where they are at,
Speaker 2: like some way station. There's people there. It's not an
Speaker 2: easy target. Only the craziest bandits would hit people there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is what you see in a lot of Westerns.
Speaker 2: It's just like, oh, this band's drained, she's hitting the
Speaker 2: way station. Yeah, most reasonable bandits would just wait for
Speaker 2: them to get two miles down the road between exactly
Speaker 2: and then just hit them. And so then they have
Speaker 2: to do that though, you got to stop the wagon.
Speaker 2: And these guys are cooking along, right, So how do
Speaker 2: you do that? Well? With this old Civil War veteran,
Speaker 2: with his combats experience under General Sherman, he's done a
Speaker 2: bunch of raids and he's dealt with wagons. He figured
Speaker 2: out I can do in my one man war against
Speaker 2: Wells Fargo. I know I can do this. So he
Speaker 2: makes himself a name people can fear Black Bart and
Speaker 2: then he just is willing to step out in front
Speaker 2: of the wagon with this crazy look, the flower sack
Speaker 2: over his head and the double barreled sawed off shotgun
Speaker 2: aimed at the driver and they yeah, drivers like this
Speaker 2: this guy means business, and so they yell woe and
Speaker 2: pull over. So you may be wondering where did he
Speaker 2: come up with the name black Bart just struck a.
Speaker 3: Genius, very Blackberrier, rapid transit, that's a very differ. That's
Speaker 3: a strange name. Where did he get it?
Speaker 2: His gnome to crime comes from his love of poetry
Speaker 2: and literary pursuits.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: There was this story that ran in the old Sacramento
Speaker 2: Union newspaper a couple of years prior. It's called the
Speaker 2: Case of Summerfield by this written by Caxton, which is
Speaker 2: meant to be like a Roman like, oh, this is
Speaker 2: my writing eponym, right or pseudonym.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The author's real name was William Henry Rhodes. He was
Speaker 2: a lawyer and he wrote a lot of stories. Right.
Speaker 2: So this was a fictional early sci fi tale about
Speaker 2: this chemical like a recipe that this guy has in
Speaker 2: these secret vials that will turn water into something that
Speaker 2: will burn, that'll catch fire. So that this is a
Speaker 2: secret It's happening in the Old West. The people are
Speaker 2: fighting over these vials. So imagine like the show The
Speaker 2: Wild West where they have like some crazy inventor and
Speaker 2: they have to get chased down by Jim West. Yeah. Right,
Speaker 2: that's basically what it is.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 2: But in that story, you got a bad man named
Speaker 2: black Bart, and he robs Wells, Fargo stage coaches as
Speaker 2: part of a campaign of fear and terror against the
Speaker 2: bankers and so, and he's the one who covets this
Speaker 2: secret that can destroy the world. Right. So black Bart
Speaker 2: is described as having.
Speaker 6: Like wild gray eyes, a bushy black beard, straggly wind
Speaker 6: kept hair, and this becomes the inspiration for this full
Speaker 6: hero outlaw character he plans to build.
Speaker 2: In reality, Charles Bowls is like five foot eight. He's
Speaker 2: well built, well proportioned, right, all the newspapers of the
Speaker 2: day point out. But he's not this big, terrifying fit.
Speaker 2: But his name sounds like it. So the Los Angeles
Speaker 2: Evening Express they describe the band at black Bart back
Speaker 2: in eighteen eighty eight as quote Charles E. Bowles, better
Speaker 2: known Black Bar, a name which he himself assumed, is
Speaker 2: the most romantic figure in the history of American crime.
Speaker 2: The lone highwayman who spares life and takes only from
Speaker 2: the rich is the one criminal tolerated by fiction. Yet
Speaker 2: fiction has never portrayed a character where craftiness, cunning, and
Speaker 2: intelligence are so strongly blended with purposeless criminality, gentleness and
Speaker 2: courtesy with desperate courage, as in the nature of one
Speaker 2: Black Bart. Right, So at this point he's forty six
Speaker 2: years old. When he's doing all this, it is in
Speaker 2: his forties. He gets caught, he's forty eight, but when
Speaker 2: they're writing about him, he's at the forty six. So
Speaker 2: he decides to become Black Bart. He's a forty year
Speaker 2: old former veteran of the Civil War who's like walked
Speaker 2: away from his family and former gold miner, and he's
Speaker 2: just like, I'm gonna become this literary figure.
Speaker 3: He has seen some of the worst things carnage garage
Speaker 3: for years.
Speaker 2: So in the summer of eighteen seventy five July to
Speaker 2: be exact, for his first stage coache Blackbart opts to
Speaker 2: hit a Wells Fargo stage coach running between Sonora and
Speaker 2: Twallamee County and Milton and Calveras County. Yeah, so up
Speaker 2: there in the true Gold Country, like Mark Twain the Jumping.
Speaker 3: So he's going from Sonora up to they're going.
Speaker 2: From Sonora up to Milton in Calaveras County.
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, So they're just running the length of the foothill.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Okay, So Caliverra's county, As I said, Jumping
Speaker 2: frog contest Mark Twain, this is real gold Hill country now,
Speaker 2: just outside of a town called Copperopolis, Oh, Calaveras County. Right,
Speaker 2: our newly minted outlaws sets his trap. Now after the fact,
Speaker 2: the stagecoach driver said that the outlaw stepped out of
Speaker 2: the woods in front of the stage coach. He wore
Speaker 2: the flower sack over his head with the customary two
Speaker 2: eye holes cut out. He levels his double barrel shotgun
Speaker 2: at the driver and says, throw down your box. Now
Speaker 2: this means the strong box, the treasure box. Stage coach
Speaker 2: driver considers his options. Right, so the outlaw clocks his hesitation.
Speaker 2: So black Bart gives orders to his fellow bad men
Speaker 2: secreted away in the woods. He goes.
Speaker 6: He dares to shoot the solid folly boys.
Speaker 2: The stage coach driver looks up, gazes into the woods. Right,
Speaker 2: he spies rifles amongst the trees, all pointing back at him. Now,
Speaker 2: I'm scared for his life. There's too many of them.
Speaker 2: Stage coach driver throws down the lock box. He watches
Speaker 2: as this outlaw pries it open with like an axe,
Speaker 2: a small, little like hatchet. Yeah, he collects one hundred
Speaker 2: and sixty dollars inside would would be about fifty five
Speaker 2: hundred dollars today.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The outlaw stands back off and he moses into the
Speaker 2: woods right, just backs up, protected by other rifles aimed
Speaker 2: at the stage coach. Now, once he's satisfied that the
Speaker 2: highwayman is good and gone, stage coach driver hops down
Speaker 2: to retrieve the lock box. He's got to go and
Speaker 2: show his bosses that look, yeah, not me. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: then that's when he sees what he believed were rifles
Speaker 2: aimed at him were nothing more than carefully positioned sticks
Speaker 2: just wedged into the tree branches. There were no other bandits.
Speaker 2: It was just some theater in service of crime.
Speaker 3: So who would imagine it's just one dude and no
Speaker 3: horses exactly.
Speaker 2: You're thinking, he's gotta have a great gang, big.
Speaker 3: Group of guys, and then a bunch of horses just
Speaker 3: on the other this patch of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh boy, So that's his first robbery.
Speaker 3: This is first one boom.
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm good at this, But by the end
Speaker 2: of the year he's back at it. This time he's
Speaker 2: near Marysville up in Yuba County. Yeah, north of my hometown.
Speaker 2: You're Alma Mater, Davises December of eighteen seventy five. Again
Speaker 2: black Bart uses the same gag. He props up sticks
Speaker 2: in the wood, steps out in front of the stage coach,
Speaker 2: acts like he got a team of bandits guns trained
Speaker 2: on the driver. Again, his theater in the wild totally successful.
Speaker 2: Guess he got a good haul because he takes a
Speaker 2: year off from banditry after this point. Oh yeah, he's
Speaker 2: down in San Francisco and enjoying the sporting life as
Speaker 2: a professional gambler. Okay, so eventually as luck ran out,
Speaker 2: so he hops on a ferry, goes and crosses the Bay.
Speaker 2: He didn't go back up the Gold Country, though, he
Speaker 2: decided I'm gonna score some more loot. He stays closer
Speaker 2: to the Bay area. He goes up and rubs a
Speaker 2: stage coach of Mendocino County. Oh up the coast, Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: So he decides his third robbery is that goes down
Speaker 2: August third, eighteen seventy seven. As the stage coach thunders
Speaker 2: down the road, suddenly out of the woods steps this
Speaker 2: hooded figure it's Black Bart with the same flower sack
Speaker 2: over his head, two eye holes cut out, holds up
Speaker 2: his sawed off shotgun. Stagecoast driver seas and yells, whoa horses,
Speaker 2: come to a stop right now. The outlaw orders the
Speaker 2: driver throw down the box, which the duly complies. Again.
Speaker 2: Black Part pretends he's got a gang outlaws in the trees, right,
Speaker 2: and it works just as well the third time. But
Speaker 2: I guess word had not spread amongst the drivers. There's
Speaker 2: this guy out there pretending that there's these sticks in
Speaker 2: the woods. There is gang.
Speaker 3: So he spends hours finding like really straight sticks. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so that's like yeah, and then pulling all the bark off.
Speaker 3: So smooth.
Speaker 2: So Black Part he seems to know something which is key,
Speaker 2: which is that people are more afraid of their imaginations
Speaker 2: than reality. Yes, they just work on their imagination. You
Speaker 2: don't need to actually do anything scary, just make them
Speaker 2: start thinking scary.
Speaker 3: And I'm sure that he saw that in warfare exactly exactly.
Speaker 3: You know what that people you can either psych yourself
Speaker 3: out imagining what could happen, and then you become more
Speaker 3: of a victim walking into a situation.
Speaker 2: Are you psych yourself up I'm gonna I'm gonna live
Speaker 2: through this, and then we're gonna use these, like, you know,
Speaker 2: waving sticks to indicate that we have a lot more
Speaker 2: soldiers on this side of the.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to be I'm not gonna be freaked
Speaker 3: out until i know for sure what's going on.
Speaker 2: Yes, good point, you know. So at this point a
Speaker 2: third robbery, he pries up the locks box, steals the contents.
Speaker 2: Black Bart tells a driver drive on right, and drivers
Speaker 2: happily to do this. Okay, yeah, he takes off right.
Speaker 2: Then he goes. When he gets to the next way station,
Speaker 2: he reports to the authorities that he was robbed and like,
Speaker 2: look at the lock box and they so they ride
Speaker 2: out to the scene of the crime and all they
Speaker 2: find there is just evidence of the robbery. They're like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is where it happens. They find, you know, like
Speaker 2: different like with the hatchet he used to break up
Speaker 2: in the lock box. But they also find a stanza
Speaker 2: of poetry and it reads and I quote, I've labored
Speaker 2: long and hard for bread, for honor, and for riches,
Speaker 2: but on my corns too long. You've tread you fine
Speaker 2: haired sons of bitches.
Speaker 6: Signed Black Bart Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: That poem with not bald up and left on the
Speaker 2: forest floor. No, the law men were amused. The poem
Speaker 2: gets shared with newspaper men. They put it in their papers.
Speaker 2: Soon enough, thanks to the telegraph and the early wire service,
Speaker 2: this newspaper readers from coast to coast are reading about
Speaker 2: black Bart, the outlaw poet who's robbing stage coaches in California.
Speaker 3: It's great, that's clickbait, Sarah.
Speaker 2: Exactly, and he's an instant sensation of the nineteenth century.
Speaker 2: For his fifth robbery the next year, in eighteen seventy eight,
Speaker 2: black Bart hits a stage coach between Quincy up in
Speaker 2: Plumus County, and it was on the rundown to Oraville
Speaker 2: in Butte County. It was the summer again, July, to
Speaker 2: be exacts. Apparently black Bart was in the mood for
Speaker 2: a little more poetry. After he successfully robbed that stage coach,
Speaker 2: emptied his lock box, went on his merry way. Black
Speaker 2: Bart left behind another outlaw poem. His second poem went,
Speaker 2: and I quote here I lay me down to sleep
Speaker 2: and wait to.
Speaker 6: Come inmorrow, perhaps success, perhaps defeat, and everlast in sorrow.
Speaker 6: But let come what will I'll try it on. My
Speaker 6: condition can't be worse. If there's money in that box,
Speaker 6: tis money in my purse, signed black Bart.
Speaker 2: So that little verse sealed the deal for black Bart.
Speaker 2: The people from coast to coast now love him and
Speaker 2: his full hero law antics right. But the authorities and
Speaker 2: the lawmen hate how silly he's making them look. But
Speaker 2: however try as they might, the law cannot catch this
Speaker 2: new outlaws sensation. Black Bark just keeps right on robbing
Speaker 2: stage coaches, just willy nilly. Right, it seems that he's
Speaker 2: well aware of the local economic cycles of the area,
Speaker 2: right he takes advantage of them. For instance, he knows
Speaker 2: it in Mendocino County there's sheep sharing season, yes, which
Speaker 2: means that the shepherds and the wool gatherers are going
Speaker 2: to need to get paid, which means the stage coaches
Speaker 2: are going to be running big loads of cash to
Speaker 2: settle up the end of sheep sharing season, which meant
Speaker 2: it is going to be a big payday for black Bart.
Speaker 2: October eighteen seventy eight, In sheep sharing season, black Bart
Speaker 2: robbed too wells Fargo stage coaches on back to back days.
Speaker 3: Oh see, they don't expect that they think it'll be
Speaker 3: a while.
Speaker 2: And he's and he's, you'll love this. He's super casual
Speaker 2: about it. On the first day, October second, eighteen seventy eight,
Speaker 2: Black Bart gets spotted having a picnic by himself near
Speaker 2: yu Kaya, right, just having a picnic now, yes, he
Speaker 2: was enjoying the spoils of his crime. That stage coach
Speaker 2: draws near and black Bart pops up out of his
Speaker 2: ambush spot, levels his sawd off shotgun. Right, driver pulls
Speaker 2: the horses to a stop. Black Bart tosses the apple
Speaker 2: that he was still munching on. No, he gets down
Speaker 2: to his outlaw business. Right. These are all from the
Speaker 2: d eye witness descriptions. And the next day, October third,
Speaker 2: eighteen seventy eight, back at it, he hits another stage coach,
Speaker 2: this time again, as it always, he flees on foot.
Speaker 2: What does he do? He just walks over to a
Speaker 2: farmhouse a couple of miles away, and he pays the
Speaker 2: family for dinner, and then he sits down and haves
Speaker 2: dinner with them while everyone's out looking for him, because
Speaker 2: no one would go to a family farmhouse, so he
Speaker 2: buys himself some time. But the young daughter there, she's
Speaker 2: the first person to take an interest in him, and
Speaker 2: she sees him without his flower sack mask on, sure,
Speaker 2: and no one else has seen no exactly. So he
Speaker 2: also he didn't rob the family either, right, but they
Speaker 2: figured out who he was, so this daughter won. Donald
Speaker 2: McCreery said. Black Bart had quote graying brown hair, missing
Speaker 2: two of his front teeth, deep set, piercing blue eyes,
Speaker 2: under heavy eyebrows, slender hands, and intellectual and conversation well
Speaker 2: flavored with polite jokes. Okay, so by this point Blackbart
Speaker 2: is becoming so famous, so well known, wells Fargo has
Speaker 2: to hire professional trackers to hunt down this outlaw. They
Speaker 2: go like full on sundance, and butch casting is sundanced, kid, right,
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, let's hire the best people. Yeah, these guys,
Speaker 2: these professional trackers, they follow the trail of black Bart
Speaker 2: to the McCreary farm, and then that's how they get
Speaker 2: the news for the daughter. But it's too late when
Speaker 2: they arrive there. The man hunters they continue to follow
Speaker 2: Blackbart's trail for sixty miles. The trackers are on horseback,
Speaker 2: Blackbart's on foot. Somewhere around the Eel River, the trail
Speaker 2: goes cold. His trick is During the night, black Bar
Speaker 2: keeps hiking through the rough country. By morning, he's twenty
Speaker 2: miles east of his pursuers, so they're taking their camping down.
Speaker 2: He's gone. He's got yeah, so free from his professional trackers.
Speaker 2: The next day, black Bart strikes again. He hits a
Speaker 2: junction of two wagon roads in Lake County. According to
Speaker 2: reports of the day, black Bart was wiling away his
Speaker 2: time waiting for the stagecoach, but quote by eating peaches,
Speaker 2: the pits of which were found at the tree from
Speaker 2: which he stepped behind. So that's his move. Just eat
Speaker 2: some fruit, wait for some money to come down the road.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Unbeknownst to black Bart, a second professional tracker hired by
Speaker 2: Wells Fargo, is still on his trail. He rides up
Speaker 2: on horseback, but he's a day late. He arrives at
Speaker 2: the scene of the crime, only there's no poem waiting
Speaker 2: for him this time, just the peach pits. Meanwhile, black
Speaker 2: Bart is hiked into the valley Oaks, and forty eight
Speaker 2: hours later he's seventy miles away in Calusa County. Whoa
Speaker 2: on foot? On foot? Yeah. From that point. Over the
Speaker 2: next few years, black Bart continues to wreak havoc of
Speaker 2: this one man campaign of vengeance against Wells Fargo. They
Speaker 2: cannot catch him. He just continues robbing stagecouches one after another,
Speaker 2: just like potato chips. Basically can't stuch. Obviously, as low
Speaker 2: his luck can't last car incredible his core strength. Eventually,
Speaker 2: even as successful as he was, black Bart was bound
Speaker 2: to get caught.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: When we get back from these warm, delicious, fresh out
Speaker 2: of the oven commercials, Elizabeth, I'll tell you how my
Speaker 2: man black Bart gets popped. Yes, Elizabeth Saron, we're back. Hi.
Speaker 2: You ready to hear more from my man black Bart. Yes,
Speaker 2: the full Carol outlaw poet. Yes, thanks to his poetry
Speaker 2: and his success is a bandit. Black Bart's famous at
Speaker 2: this point, secured all right, everyone's talking about him coast
Speaker 2: to coast.
Speaker 3: Did anyone set his poems to music? Not that I
Speaker 3: found and in the saloons and stuff.
Speaker 2: Hold that thought about singing his poetry. Okay, So his
Speaker 2: success guarantees that, As I said, he's staying in the headlines.
Speaker 2: People are loving this, and I'm talking for years. For years,
Speaker 2: there are reports of this guy just going around on
Speaker 2: the Old West robbing stage coaches. Freaking havoc on Wells Fart.
Speaker 2: He's driving Wells Fargo nuts. Yeah, and they have the
Speaker 2: money to see this as a war, and so they're like,
Speaker 2: we're going to win this war. So let's go over
Speaker 2: a few of his stage coach robbery highlights before I
Speaker 2: tell you how it all goes pop, because they'll kind
Speaker 2: of set up how he also gets caught.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: On October eight, eighteen eighty one, Black Bart is in
Speaker 2: Shasta County up north. Yeah, and he's waiting to ambush
Speaker 2: the stage coach between where Way Rika and Redding, Okay.
Speaker 2: And when he pops up out from his ambushed spot,
Speaker 2: the stage coach driver pulls hard on the brakes yells
Speaker 2: WHOA to the team of horses, right they pull over.
Speaker 2: This driver is named Horace Williams. He's apparently not terribly
Speaker 2: afraid of Black Bart, because Horace Williams tides to strike
Speaker 2: up a conversation. He throws after he throws down the
Speaker 2: strong box and Black Bart prize it open with his hatchet.
Speaker 2: He's scouring through the contents. The curious driver Horace Williams
Speaker 2: wonders how much Black Bart is peeling off his bosses.
Speaker 2: The fact cats in Wells Fargo. Yeah, Hey, how much
Speaker 2: did you make black Bart genial? Good hearted? Is he is?
Speaker 2: He's like, not very much for the chances I take.
Speaker 2: Oh so it's like exactly anyway. At this point, it's
Speaker 2: eighteen eighty one. So now, how many trackers and professional
Speaker 2: manhunters do Wells Fargo have there on the roads and
Speaker 2: in the wildman is tracking down Black Bart? Great question.
Speaker 3: I am so good at asking these questions.
Speaker 2: The answer is they had teams, teams Elizabeth teams are
Speaker 2: professional manhunters. But these guys cannot catch Black Part for years. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's embarrassing, and mostly Blackbart is embarrassing because he doesn't
Speaker 2: ride a horse, and they don't figure this out. These
Speaker 2: professional manhunters are so used to tracking a man on
Speaker 2: horseback or by wagon wheel they cannot get it through
Speaker 2: their heads that he's just walking away.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So October eleven, eighteen eighty one, he strikes again. Professional
Speaker 2: manhunters rush to the scene because they had everything they
Speaker 2: hear about it. They get a telegraph announcement and then yeah,
Speaker 2: they go rushing there. Yeah, they track the trail that
Speaker 2: they find and they find once again Jack Squat. This
Speaker 2: is just once driving them those are some of the
Speaker 2: most famous detectives in the country, being sent over from
Speaker 2: across the country. And December of this same year, Blackbart
Speaker 2: strikes it in in Marysville.
Speaker 3: You know, Marysville today is like overrun with wild chickens.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, totally anyway, exactly, he gets away on foot. Right,
Speaker 2: there's now a whole posse because the Marysville sheriff don't play,
Speaker 2: so he gets a whole posse chasing after him, and
Speaker 2: the fat cat bankers have their like manhunters, and they're
Speaker 2: all out there, this outlaw of folkiro poets embarrassing them
Speaker 2: all in the national newspapers. And at this point, right,
Speaker 2: as I said, gleeful copy, the newspapers are here since
Speaker 2: the tennesseean right, and the newspaper in Tennessee is they
Speaker 2: have a story of black Bart's outlaw exploits and narrow escapes,
Speaker 2: and they chronicle him like he's the Robin Hood of
Speaker 2: the wild West, right, and I quote now, all his
Speaker 2: operations were in wild country where escape was easy and
Speaker 2: no trail could be followed. The counties of Sonoma, Mendocino, Trinity,
Speaker 2: siski U, Shasta, Plumus, Butte Yuba, Calaveras, and Placer Nearly
Speaker 2: all old mining country were the scenes of his exploits.
Speaker 2: The best of detectives and sheriffs were trying for years
Speaker 2: to secure some clue, but the simplicity of a system
Speaker 2: baffled them.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: So Yeah. In January of eighteen eighty two, black Bart
Speaker 2: returns to Mendosino County. He plans to catch the stage
Speaker 2: running between Cloverdale and Yukaya up the north. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: he meets up with the stage coach near a town
Speaker 2: called Hopland.
Speaker 3: I know he used to have a really good like
Speaker 3: music fest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 6: So.
Speaker 2: The stagecoach driver is named Harry Force. Okay, I gotta say,
Speaker 2: I'm wondering why this man did not change his name.
Speaker 2: You're a stagecoach driver named Harry Horse. I'm sorry, Harry Force.
Speaker 3: Harry for anyway, of course, he's one big Harry Force. Way, Harry.
Speaker 3: I love that. It's they're acknowledging. It's the simplicity of
Speaker 3: it that's the you know, wanting. It's not like they're
Speaker 3: looking back on that. They're saying, he's doing this so
Speaker 3: simply in these.
Speaker 2: They can't figure it out.
Speaker 3: Ding dongs can't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like they have all these way to reports
Speaker 2: of him just walking away into the woods. You just
Speaker 2: keep thinking he's gonna somebody picks him up and they
Speaker 2: ride away.
Speaker 3: Must have somewhere in their right mind walking the fork
Speaker 3: is superior.
Speaker 2: It's fit, It's true. So at this point, Harry Force
Speaker 2: is holding the reins and he has no one riding shotgun.
Speaker 2: He's by himself. Coach is empty too. The man who
Speaker 2: intends him to rob him doesn't know that it's empty.
Speaker 2: So black Bart steps out from behind a valley of
Speaker 2: the wagon driver. Harry Force sees him, and he sees
Speaker 2: the white flower sack on his head, the two eye
Speaker 2: holes cut out, wearing the long duster coat, and then
Speaker 2: he's like whoa, especially when he sees that double barrel shotgun.
Speaker 2: So black Bart introduces himself. On black Bart down the box.
Speaker 2: So black Bart holds the team of horses for with
Speaker 2: his shotgun trained on Harry.
Speaker 3: Horse, I will hold your horse, and so he's.
Speaker 2: Harry Force throws down the strong box right, and then
Speaker 2: black Bart tells Harry Force go on get it, and
Speaker 2: he's once again only too happy to oblige. And after
Speaker 2: he's written a little distance, he comes to a toll house.
Speaker 2: Because this road has a toll house, you have to
Speaker 2: pay every few miles to be on this road. I
Speaker 2: don't know how you can just like ride off the
Speaker 2: road and go around the toll house. So I guess
Speaker 2: with a wagon that's difficult.
Speaker 3: I mean, when you think of the terrain, I'm sure
Speaker 3: like they've carved these, you know. I'm sure that it's like.
Speaker 2: Modified like through boulder passage.
Speaker 3: Animal passages that were then used by indigenous folks who
Speaker 3: then mean, it's like they drive cattle and stuff through these.
Speaker 2: The reason why this is the only road people are
Speaker 2: using exactly. So at this point, once he gets to
Speaker 2: the toll house, they tell the authorities. Telegraph from now
Speaker 2: wires light up, word spreads. Wells Fargo detectives they hear
Speaker 2: the report, they go off in hot pursuit. They meet
Speaker 2: up with the Sheriff's posse at the crime scene one
Speaker 2: hour after.
Speaker 3: It occurs, an hour next week.
Speaker 2: No, that's how quick, they respond, Yeah, strong box is
Speaker 2: still there on the ground, slit mail bags are there,
Speaker 2: but no black bart. This trail leads off between the
Speaker 2: oak trees. The posse and the Wells Fargo detectives. They
Speaker 2: chase after black Bart on their thundering horses. They follow
Speaker 2: the trail all the way to Kelseyfield, New York near
Speaker 2: clear Lake. Yes, and that's where the trail goes cold
Speaker 2: once again. Black Bart slips away from the Wells Fargo Manhunters.
Speaker 2: In June of eighteen eighty two, he robs another stage
Speaker 2: coach near Willetts, California. So about five miles south of Yukayah.
Speaker 2: A hooded figure steps out of the wagon road stage
Speaker 2: coach driver whoa hits the brakes pulls the wagon to
Speaker 2: a stop. Driver is named Tom Force. That's right, brother
Speaker 2: of Harry Force. What yes, drivers. So Blackbart's final stage
Speaker 2: coach robbery comes one year later, November eighteen eighty three.
Speaker 2: If you can believe it, he robs the stage coach
Speaker 2: in the exact same spot where he robbed his first
Speaker 2: stage coach. He begins and ends at the same spot
Speaker 2: just outside of Copperopolis, Caerapolis and a place called funk Hill.
Speaker 2: Funk Hill, that's it gets popped in funk Hill. So
Speaker 2: there's this boulder there balanced high above the wagon road.
Speaker 2: It's a perfect ambush spot. And that's why black Bart
Speaker 2: returns to the spot so faithful day is November three.
Speaker 2: He's waiting at the boulder at the bend in the
Speaker 2: wagon road, eager for his next ambush robbery. He pulls
Speaker 2: on his white flower sack with his two cutout eye holes.
Speaker 2: But rather than me tell you about this, Elizabeth, I'd
Speaker 2: like you to close your eyes. I'd like you to picture.
Speaker 2: It's Saturday, November third, eighteen eighty three, and you, Elizabeth,
Speaker 2: are riding along the wagon road from Sonora to Milton,
Speaker 2: near the town of Copperopolis. The mule scanner has kept
Speaker 2: good time when he stops the wagon, he's been efficient
Speaker 2: and even consider of you, the soul passenger. You've just
Speaker 2: used the Reynolds ferry to cross a river that was wild,
Speaker 2: and you did meet the son of the ferryman, a
Speaker 2: nineteen year old named Jim Rollary. But now the wagon
Speaker 2: rolls through a grove of sun dappled oak trees that
Speaker 2: line the wagon road. You gaze out at the oak
Speaker 2: trees and the California hills, still gold from summer, not
Speaker 2: yet greened over again by the winter rains. That's when
Speaker 2: you hear the wagon driver yell, WHOA, that saame as odd.
Speaker 2: It's too early for a stop to change horses. There
Speaker 2: must be something in the road. You stick your head
Speaker 2: out of the window to see what's in the road,
Speaker 2: and there you spy a hooded figure. Is he wearing
Speaker 2: a flower sack on his head? You think to yourself.
Speaker 2: The sawed off shotgun tells you why he's there. The
Speaker 2: outlaw steps forward toward the now stopped wagon. You fear
Speaker 2: what awaits you. You've heard about how these raids and
Speaker 2: burglaries and robberies go down in the wild West. But
Speaker 2: he doesn't come up to your stage coach door and
Speaker 2: yank it open. Instead, the man with the flower sack
Speaker 2: over his head politely says, ma'am.
Speaker 6: If you'd be so kind as to wait inside the coach,
Speaker 6: I won't be more than a minute. I intend to
Speaker 6: hear rob this stage coach, but take nothing from you.
Speaker 2: You are struck by his candor. You nod mutely, Still
Speaker 2: somewhat scared, you watch as he orders the driver to
Speaker 2: throw down the box. He does it lands with the
Speaker 2: sort of sound that promises gold coins are inside. The
Speaker 2: bad man outlaw uses a small axe to break open
Speaker 2: the locked box. He finds a fabulous wealth of gold
Speaker 2: waiting inside. Your eyes light up at the sight. He
Speaker 2: scoops up the gold, shoves it into a sack. He
Speaker 2: helps the sack over his shoulder and walks off toward
Speaker 2: the surrounding wood. And that's when you hear it. A
Speaker 2: gunshot from a rifle, and then another, and then there's
Speaker 2: a pause. Then another gun shot sounds. You see the
Speaker 2: outlaw go down. It seems a third shot hit him.
Speaker 2: A fourth gun shot sounds. When the gun smoke clears,
Speaker 2: you see the outlaw is gone. Now standing by the
Speaker 2: wagon is the son of the ferryman. It seems the
Speaker 2: boy saw the outlaw waiting to ambush the wagon, and
Speaker 2: he snuck back around, and when he saw he had
Speaker 2: a moment, he grabbed a rifle from the wagon driver
Speaker 2: and took aim at the outlaw. You certainly saw the
Speaker 2: outlaw stumble as if he were a hit. But now
Speaker 2: he's gone. The wagon driver hops down. He and the
Speaker 2: ferryman's son checked the woods. All they find is evidence
Speaker 2: the outlaw was indeed shot. There's a pool of his blood.
Speaker 2: The trail leads off into the woods. The pair also
Speaker 2: find a shirtcuff knocked off, apparently by the gunshot, and
Speaker 2: a white silk crep handkerchief. Although you can't see him,
Speaker 2: black Bart has yet again escaped on foot. Even though
Speaker 2: he was shot, the bullet passed through his hand. It's
Speaker 2: far from immortal wound, and he's able to flee. That
Speaker 2: dropped silk handkerchief will spell his doom. Oh no, yes, well,
Speaker 2: Elizabeth underknownst to you. Black Bart takes his sawed off shotgun,
Speaker 2: his stolen fortune, secrets them away on a hollow log.
Speaker 2: Then he heads for civilization. He tries to go and
Speaker 2: blend in and dis appear in the streets of San Francisco.
Speaker 2: The stagecoach driver was robbed that faithful November day. He
Speaker 2: wrote a memoir twenty years later after about how the
Speaker 2: day he was robbed by black Bart. In the manuscript,
Speaker 2: he claims that he fired all four shots, and that
Speaker 2: the ferryman's son, Rolliery never fired a single shot. I
Speaker 2: guess he wanted all the credit for himself. He said
Speaker 2: that his first shot missed, However, he was fairly certain
Speaker 2: that the second or maybe his third shot hit his target.
Speaker 2: In the contemporaneous reports, he said he fired the first
Speaker 2: two shots, and Rolliary the boy took the gun and
Speaker 2: fired the third one.
Speaker 3: I think them all the guy was like quaking in
Speaker 3: his boots and then a young upstart exactly.
Speaker 2: So that means if he was right, that if two
Speaker 2: of his shots hit, they would have hit this exact
Speaker 2: same bullet hole because he only had one gun shot.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Anyway, as a result of being a hit, black Bart
Speaker 2: dropped that white silk crape handkerchief and importantly it had
Speaker 2: a laundry mark on it. They read f K seven.
Speaker 2: That handkerchief was then handed over to one of the
Speaker 2: Wells Fargo detectives, James Hume. This is their first good
Speaker 2: clue they've ever had in years, so human his fellow Manhunters,
Speaker 2: detective Harry Morse. They ride into San Francisco and they
Speaker 2: figure that's where black Bart probably used a Chinese laundry.
Speaker 2: They go to every single laundry in San Francisco. If
Speaker 2: you were wondering how many that is, Elizabeth, at the time,
Speaker 2: they were roughly ninety one laundries ninety San Francisco.
Speaker 3: Yes that today, No.
Speaker 2: Not not at all. So the professional old West manhunters,
Speaker 2: they only visit every single ninety ninety one. I finally
Speaker 2: discover a laundry called Ferguson and Biggs California laundry located
Speaker 2: at three one six Bush Street. The laundry lady, missus Where,
Speaker 2: tells them that the man who owns that handkerchief which
Speaker 2: is at the laundry just the day before, and he's
Speaker 2: expected to be back soon to pick up his laundry.
Speaker 2: This is how they learn the name of their prey.
Speaker 2: She says his name is Charlie Bolton and that he
Speaker 2: stays at a boarding house here in the city, not
Speaker 2: too far away. She gives them the address. The Manhunters
Speaker 2: go over to the boarding house. They stake out the building.
Speaker 2: The lawmen and the Wells Fargo detectives, working together, wait
Speaker 2: for their prey to return home. Meanwhile, Detective Morse goes
Speaker 2: back to the laundry to wait for Black Bart There case,
Speaker 2: he goes to pick a stuff up, and wouldn't you know, Elizabeth,
Speaker 2: guess who comes walking up. According to the San Francisco
Speaker 2: Examiner November nineteenth, eighteen eighty three edition, the laundry lady said,
Speaker 2: why here comes mister Bolton. Now I'll just introduce you
Speaker 2: to him for the first time ever. The manhunters, who've
Speaker 2: tracked him for years, they finally see him for the
Speaker 2: first time they lay eyes on him Black Bart in
Speaker 2: San Francisco at this point, it's about five o'clock in
Speaker 2: the afternoon. They go and they just rush over confront him.
Speaker 2: Blackbart knows he's caught there, and he's like, yeah, this
Speaker 2: is the end of my run as an outlaw.
Speaker 3: No, you have to be like, ah, you found my handkerchief,
Speaker 3: it got stolen.
Speaker 2: He gets done in by our laundry mark. So, according
Speaker 2: to those who knew him, Charlie Bowles had passed himself
Speaker 2: off as a man of adventure, a former gold miner
Speaker 2: who turned mining consultant slash mining engineer. His cover story
Speaker 2: neatly covers why he's always taking trips up to gold
Speaker 2: country and coming back with like flushed with cash. Yeah,
Speaker 2: ready to live more of that good life. According to
Speaker 2: the eighteen eighty eight edition of the Los Angeles Express,
Speaker 2: Detective Morris described Blackbart as how he rest and quote
Speaker 2: elegantly but not fleshly.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 2: The same paper goes on to say that black Bart
Speaker 2: also quote carried a gold mounted cane and wore a
Speaker 2: Derby hat. He talked freely about valuable mining interests, and
Speaker 2: seemed for once to have lost all his shrewdness as
Speaker 2: he walked down Sansom Street arm in arm with Detective
Speaker 2: Morse and upstairs into the Wells Fargo building and into
Speaker 2: the office of Detective Hume. So they don't take him
Speaker 2: to the police. They take him to Wells Fargo. So
Speaker 2: the two Wells Fargo men, right, they braid him in
Speaker 2: the hidden away of the Wells Fargo off for towers.
Speaker 2: They throw down evidence they've collected over the years. Black
Speaker 2: Bart says nothing. Won't confess to anything. So the Wells
Speaker 2: Fargo man hunters. They go, fine, we're gonna turn you
Speaker 2: over to the real police. So they take him up
Speaker 2: to Calveras County and there in Gold Country. They that's
Speaker 2: where he was arrested on an old warrant and black
Speaker 2: Bart gets locked up in the Calaveras County jail. The
Speaker 2: Wells Fargo men then sit there and plead with him
Speaker 2: for five hours. Now that he's behind bars, he still
Speaker 2: won't talk to him really. Then sheriff of this guy,
Speaker 2: Captain Stone, comes in. He lays out all the evidence
Speaker 2: he's collected over the years. Black Bart looks up says,
Speaker 2: can you prove all that? Sheriff's Captain Stone says, I can,
Speaker 2: the black Bart says, all right, let's travel. He leads
Speaker 2: the Wells Fargo men and the Sheriff of Calveris County
Speaker 2: on a twenty four mile ride on horsebacks, when the
Speaker 2: few times he ever rides by terrifying and according to
Speaker 2: the Los Angeles Express quote, despite the severeness of the
Speaker 2: journey and the discovery of his guilt, black Bart laughed
Speaker 2: and talked as he rode. He kept his companions in
Speaker 2: continual merriment by his bright flashes of wit. He narrated
Speaker 2: many of his adventures and the surrounding wilderness, and his
Speaker 2: voice echoed in the canyons as he would break forth
Speaker 2: in song.
Speaker 3: Whoa he's saying as he goes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like the literal medieval troubadour, singing his own
Speaker 2: outlaw song to the men. He's frustrated for years. So
Speaker 2: good what outlaw brio?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: So good?
Speaker 2: So when they arrived at the crime scene under the moonlight,
Speaker 2: black Bart shows the lawman and the Wells Fargo manhunters
Speaker 2: where the five thousand or so in gold he hid
Speaker 2: into the and the hollow log and there's his trust
Speaker 2: he sawed off shotgun. And they're like all right, So
Speaker 2: then they take them back to San Francisco. He's tried, convicted,
Speaker 2: sentence to six years in San Quentin. They had San
Speaker 2: Quentin at the time. The light sentence is credited to
Speaker 2: his gentlemanly ways with his victims, his kindness to ladies'
Speaker 2: total lack of violence, and the fact that he didn't smoke,
Speaker 2: drink Cussard duopium and else, that he worked alone. He
Speaker 2: had no confederates. Yeah, throw the book at then. The
Speaker 2: news of Blackbart's arrest is breathlessly reported from coast to coast.
Speaker 2: The newspapers are a light with press coverage. After his arrest,
Speaker 2: black Bart even wrote a letter to the wagon driver,
Speaker 2: the last one the ones who he thought had fired
Speaker 2: the shots at him. According to the Los Angeles Express,
Speaker 2: black Bart wrote, and I quote stated that he remembered
Speaker 2: him with nothing but the most kindly feelings. He complimented
Speaker 2: him on his fine qualities as a driver, and was
Speaker 2: only sorry that he could not be equally complimentary in
Speaker 2: speaking of his marksmanship. On concluding, he wished him an unmolested,
Speaker 2: prosperous and happy drive through life. He reassured the anxious
Speaker 2: wife of the driver that her husband had nothing to
Speaker 2: fear from the terrible Black Bart. So there's a promised
Speaker 2: eighteen thousand dollars reward for the capture of the infamous
Speaker 2: Black Bart, put up by Wells Fargo, State of California,
Speaker 2: and the federal government. They all put up in this money. Yeah,
Speaker 2: wagon driver, how much do you think he received this reward?
Speaker 2: Elizabeth zero six hundred dollars. They promised eighteen thousand, three
Speaker 2: hundred from Wells Fargo, three hundred from the State of California.
Speaker 2: Federal government was like, what reward. I'm busy, I can't
Speaker 2: hear you. I'man beep. Oh yeah, click it telegraphs wires broke.
Speaker 2: There remains one question, why did Charlie Bulls become Black
Speaker 2: part right? I told you wanted revenge? Well in court,
Speaker 2: when asked his very question, he told the prosecutor quote,
Speaker 2: I've had a rough life of it.
Speaker 6: It is an uncommon circumstance which brings me to this condition,
Speaker 6: an uncommon and mysterious one one which no man living
Speaker 6: except myself knows.
Speaker 2: And no man shall ever know. He will tell him.
Speaker 2: Charlie Bulls also added that.
Speaker 6: I would rather go to San Quentin for life than
Speaker 6: take a dime from a passenger or to injure him
Speaker 6: in any other way. One can rob men at any place.
Speaker 6: I never harmed a single individual and never committed any
Speaker 6: crimes except against Wells Fargoing Company.
Speaker 2: He also said to the news papermen after his conviction,
Speaker 2: if it had not been.
Speaker 6: For that handkerchief, I'll bet a thousand dollars they would
Speaker 6: have never got me A thousand dollars, I say.
Speaker 2: But that's that's just the way of speaking. Now, you know,
Speaker 2: I have no money. Now.
Speaker 6: I never was much troubled with riches, and on the
Speaker 6: other hand, I never was absolutely needy.
Speaker 2: So black serves this time in San Quentin, gets released
Speaker 2: early for good behavior. Yeah, then by hook or by crook,
Speaker 2: with black Bart back outside. On November fourteenth, eighteen eighty eight,
Speaker 2: a Wells Fargo stage coach is hit by a masked
Speaker 2: Bandit not only that the robber left behind her verse
Speaker 2: of poetry. The poet had.
Speaker 6: So here, I have stood while wind and rain have
Speaker 6: set the trees a sobbing, and risked my life for
Speaker 6: that bus that wasn't worth the robin.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, was this evidence that my man black
Speaker 2: Bart was back at it? The famous detective Whould helped
Speaker 2: catch him. James Hume was brought in to investigate. He's
Speaker 2: shown the tattered piece of poetry left at the crime scene.
Speaker 2: This grizzled old man hunter. Right, he reads the verse
Speaker 2: carefully like an English professor. I imagine, right, he's doing
Speaker 2: like literary medics. Yeah, met her in rhyme. He's determining
Speaker 2: from textual analysis. This is not the work of black Bart,
Speaker 2: It's a copycat. So he determines that in the n
Speaker 2: black Bart spent his final days in a town near
Speaker 2: my hometown, the beautiful town of Marysville we talked about
Speaker 2: with the Loose Chickens. Yes, a town he often haunted
Speaker 2: back when he hit stage coaches an outlaw, and there
Speaker 2: in Marysville he settles down and becomes a beloved pharmacist.
Speaker 3: Wow, he died.
Speaker 2: He was in Knights Landing, which is literally down the
Speaker 2: road from Davis. We used to go to Knight's Landing
Speaker 2: to go fishing like all the time. That's allegedly where
Speaker 2: he is buried in an unmarked grave. I cannot believe
Speaker 2: I've never heard of this man before.
Speaker 3: Now, I like any excuse to head up that way.
Speaker 2: Let's go, And thus ends the story of Charlie Bowls
Speaker 2: aka Charlie Naked Black Bart. That's the stagecoach Robert Poets.
Speaker 3: That's incredible.
Speaker 2: What's our ridiculous takeaway here, Elizabeth?
Speaker 3: I think that you know anytime that you can have
Speaker 3: a full hero like a Luigisque folk hero, but who's
Speaker 3: non violent m and who has an artistic flair to it,
Speaker 3: that's thank you. That was the tree you enjoy that. Okah, good,
Speaker 3: this is what about you?
Speaker 2: Thank you for hasking me whoa yeah, I have one.
Speaker 2: This is how I would get caught. I give you
Speaker 2: a successful for your years. And I get caught because
Speaker 2: of my commitment to going to the same laundry lady,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean like, And she'd have no
Speaker 2: idea I was an outlaw because I had been lying
Speaker 2: to her, even nice, and she believes me, and I'm
Speaker 2: so nice that she knows I'm just some good guy
Speaker 2: in the neighborhood. And then she'd tell the cops right
Speaker 2: to find me, thinking she's helping me out, and I
Speaker 2: get busted by the person trying to help me.
Speaker 3: You always think you're invisible, that people don't ever remember,
Speaker 3: very very memorable, So you're always surprised when everyone knows
Speaker 3: who you are.
Speaker 2: I remember thinking you were hearing that at the time.
Speaker 2: I was like, really, yeah, Copper, you're writing a book anyway, Elizabeth,
Speaker 2: can you want to wash this all down to talk
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Speaker 2: with one? Of course?
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Speaker 5: Okay. So I was listening to the latest episode and
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Speaker 5: freaking out that my hometown was mentioned.
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Speaker 2: Yes, that's right, girl, ka wait for life.
Speaker 3: I love it. It is weird. I'm sure it's weird
Speaker 3: to hear small towns mentioned.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know what.
Speaker 3: We like to span coast to coast, seas to seas.
Speaker 2: They used to call me Captain Flora Bama because I
Speaker 2: know that spot.
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