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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Monday MLK Day edition. Clay

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Speaker 1: Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out

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Speaker 1: with us. We rolled through the Monday edition of the program.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of you are not like Buck,

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Speaker 1: but a little bit like man that you watched gorged

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Speaker 1: on NFL football over the weekend. We got a big game.

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Speaker 1: They will quiz Buck later to see if he can

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Speaker 1: figure out who might be playing on Monday Night football

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Speaker 1: in an epic tilt, which would be one of the

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Speaker 1: most watching rg. He doesn't have any clue. The Bucks

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Speaker 1: send the Cowboys Bucks is gonna be one of it

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Speaker 1: and actually similar to your name that the Tampa Buccaneers

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys are gonna have one of the

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Speaker 1: most watched television events of the year tonight in the

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Speaker 1: NFL playoffs. So we'll see how that goes. But we

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Speaker 1: have got so much fun to have with you guys

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Speaker 1: to day. Ron Johnson, Senator from Wisconsin, is going to

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Speaker 1: join us at one thirty stern. He's our only guests.

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Speaker 1: We'll open up phones, We'll have a lot of conversations here,

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Speaker 1: But we begin with the continued fallout of the Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden classified documents, just total unmitigated disaster. On I believe

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Speaker 1: it was Saturday morning, Buck, there was the announcement that

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Speaker 1: five additional classified documents had been found in Joe Biden's residence.

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Speaker 1: That came after Karine Jean Pierre had told us all

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Speaker 1: at least six different times that the search was complete

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Speaker 1: and there were no more documents to be found. Listened

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Speaker 1: to our esteemed White House Press secretary. The search is

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Speaker 1: clearly complete. They completed the search. The search is complete.

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Speaker 1: He is confident in this process. You should asume that

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Speaker 1: it's been completed. Guests, after the search concluded last night,

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Speaker 1: that search was completed last night. I mean, this is incompetent,

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Speaker 1: even for Joe Biden, on a level of incompetence that

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Speaker 1: has to boggle many Democrats minds. And Buck, one of

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Speaker 1: the things that's crazy, as you would know specifically about this,

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Speaker 1: how in the world did it come to be the

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Speaker 1: case that the people who are searching for classified documents

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Speaker 1: don't actually have the ability to see classified documents as

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Speaker 1: they don't have the security clearance. That seems like kind

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Speaker 1: of a big flaw in the process. You if you're

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Speaker 1: going to have any kind of a classified documents issue,

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Speaker 1: have to have a lawyer that has clearance as well.

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Speaker 1: For example, so if you're going to be dealing with

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Speaker 1: handling and seeing them any capacity, those the rules that

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Speaker 1: you know. Even if you return and you're somebody who

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Speaker 1: is going to be seeing, you know, a a therapist.

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Speaker 1: Let's say you're gonna be talking to them about things.

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Speaker 1: You generally, if you're going to talk about your work,

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Speaker 1: want to have a classified the classified capable therapist. I mean,

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Speaker 1: these are sort of the things people don't realize how

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Speaker 1: many life never have even thought about that. But yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: if you're gonna talk, if you look, if you're if

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Speaker 1: you want to have someone you can talk to about

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Speaker 1: some of that stuff, or if you're intelligence community or whatever,

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Speaker 1: you know, you're not allowed to break this. You know,

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Speaker 1: you're you've you've got to find somebody who's actually cleared

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Speaker 1: for classified information period, lawyers, you name it all, all

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Speaker 1: kinds of folks. Why were the lawyers sent in Clay,

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Speaker 1: Why were the lawyers sent in to look at this stuff.

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Speaker 1: Understand that of all the documents that they had, there

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Speaker 1: are only a handful that are classified, which makes people think,

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Speaker 1: I believe understandably they were looking for something when they

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Speaker 1: maybe not in the garage because you know they're by

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Speaker 1: the by the core event. You know, maybe those are

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Speaker 1: some some cans of Fanta, remember fantah? Yeah, still out there,

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Speaker 1: You're still out there? Oh yeah, okay, yeah, So that's

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Speaker 1: something that you could maybe stumble upon. But in the

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Speaker 1: context of what they're talking about here, why were they

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Speaker 1: looking and why were they going? And also, he's the

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Speaker 1: President United States. He must have access to more people

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Speaker 1: literally any other person on the planet. Right. I mean

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Speaker 1: do this thing, but we're just going to go through

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Speaker 1: the motions. But even if they're just going through the

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Speaker 1: a lot. So that's my big question is why were

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Speaker 1: We don't know exactly who the person was who found

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Speaker 1: these classified documents. But Buck, you've moved a few times, right,

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Speaker 1: I've fortunately not had to move that almost almost a

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Speaker 1: I've moved a lot. Okay, so a dozen times as

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Speaker 1: an adult. If something is already boxed up and you

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Speaker 1: You move the box without looking inside. To go through

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Speaker 1: all the things inside of the document. Because remember the

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Speaker 1: initial story we heard was they are moving the boxes

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Speaker 1: out of Joe Biden's presidential I mean out of his

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Speaker 1: time as vice president did in Washington, DC. Why was

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Speaker 1: the lawyer moving the boxes? Right? None of this adds

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Speaker 1: up in the first place because Joe Biden's lawyer, I

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Speaker 1: people that you could have moving things, it's an expensive compensa. Plus,

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Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think this guy who you

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Speaker 1: and every I don't so why are they moving around

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Speaker 1: We'll get back this discussion in the second. Closets first,

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Speaker 1: I always tell everybody this, you gotta empty, you gotta

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Speaker 1: picking up That's where they found these documents. Evidently, yes,

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Speaker 1: the report that they have out there that this lawyer

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Speaker 1: That's not a move, that's a search, Which is why

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Speaker 1: I think, Buck, that this story has still not come out.

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Speaker 1: Somebody tipped off Joe Biden. I don't know who it

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Speaker 1: they couldn't just make this story disappear because somebody knew

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Speaker 1: If that guy, though, doesn't know to just get rid

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Speaker 1: of the classified docs that you have, you got a problem.

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Speaker 1: I said, which is why, Buck, I think, remember how

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Speaker 1: it existed. It wasn't in the National archives. I really

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Speaker 1: could make an argument, Clay, I was a classification authority,

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Speaker 1: You know, it's a judgment call. And so two president

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Speaker 1: or rather two heads of state, a dictator and Trump

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Speaker 1: could argue that that's you know, classified. You could even

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Speaker 1: private conversation that they had, but doesn't really the affect

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. It's MLK Day.

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Speaker 1: Many of you are still working, some of you are

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Speaker 1: you know, this is the this is the truth, which

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Speaker 1: is why China story is. It seems like there's finally

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Speaker 1: starting to be recognition about the fact that China has

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Speaker 1: been using our American cultural institutions to try to tear

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Speaker 1: downfucious institutes and donating. Oh, the Penn Biden Center got

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Speaker 1: how much I mean or you know, the Upen after

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Speaker 1: the Penn Biden Center got set up, got how many

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Speaker 1: millions of dollars from it? This is Universities, by the way,

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Speaker 1: are one of the main ways that foreign governments, even

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Speaker 1: oppositional governments like China to the United States, exercise influence here.

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Speaker 1: It is a huge problem. It's also a massive cover

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Speaker 1: that is used for espionage operations. As we know with

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Speaker 1: I mean that there are all these Chinese nationals who

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Speaker 1: are saying, oh, yeah, I want to go if you

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Speaker 1: go and study at the highest level, you know, nuclear

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Speaker 1: engineering at you know, Caltech or MIT or something, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna maybe come into not only you being trained at

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Speaker 1: the highest level, but you also may be coming into

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Speaker 1: contact with sensitive government programs depending on your access and

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Speaker 1: who you're working with. Well, and I see it in

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Speaker 1: a big way because I came out of the world

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Speaker 1: of sports with the way that China has used propaganda

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Speaker 1: from American athletes to tear down the legitimacy and justification

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Speaker 1: of American institutions while simultaneously not saying a word about

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Speaker 1: China's human rights violations and authoritarian government. Lebron James a

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Speaker 1: perfect example of this. Anytime anything remotely bad happens in

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Speaker 1: the United States, the United States government is awful, and

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Speaker 1: a lot of people followed Lebron's lead, and we certainly

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Speaker 1: see it in the movie industry. We certainly see it

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Speaker 1: in Hollywood, the amount of money that China has spent

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Speaker 1: to allow itself while while they are enabling and endorsing

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Speaker 1: destrictive comments about the United States, they don't allow a

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Speaker 1: word to be said negative about their own government. The

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Speaker 1: first way, the first place that authoritarian, totalitarian, communist, you

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Speaker 1: name it, theot theocratic pardon me, the first way that

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Speaker 1: regimes whether you're talking about China, iran good on the

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Speaker 1: list North Korea. You know what their first attack on

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Speaker 1: America always is pretty much, we're so racist, Yeah, which

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Speaker 1: is amazing coming from country like North Korea, which is

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Speaker 1: basically built on a hierarchy of racial superiority of North

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Speaker 1: Koreans over everybody else, and everybody else is subhuman. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: the point is they just they try to exacerbate the

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Speaker 1: divisions within our own country for their benefit, or really

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Speaker 1: to exaggerate the divisions in our own country, because as

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Speaker 1: anyone who spent enough time and a lot of other

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Speaker 1: parts the world, we're telling you, America is actually the

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Speaker 1: example of all of us getting along incredibly well. I

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Speaker 1: think there's a very strong argument America is the least

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Speaker 1: racist country that's ever existed in the history of the world,

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Speaker 1: and certainly being lectured by China, which doesn't allow immigration effectively.

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Speaker 1: Right in North Korea, good Ward, I mean that that

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Speaker 1: is a crazy man's country. But they use our own

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Speaker 1: internal critics criticisms against us and try to blow them

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Speaker 1: up on a global scale. Now, neither you nor I

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Speaker 1: would consider ourselves to be we are. I think Clay's

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Speaker 1: movie taste is very solid. I have to say, I

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Speaker 1: thought there's something we might be able to go back

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Speaker 1: and forth and fight a little war, but generally speaking,

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Speaker 1: you know, most of the time, I'm like, yeah, no,

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00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 1: he's right, that's a great movie. So we're both I think,

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Speaker 1: high level movie critics, but art in sculpture not really

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Speaker 1: in either of our Like, I'm not a guy who

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Speaker 1: goes wandering around the galleries in Chelsea talking about how

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Speaker 1: you know, yes, this painting with just two stripes across

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Speaker 1: it that looks like a five year old could do

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Speaker 1: this is man's inhumanity to man or you know whatever,

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Speaker 1: right you come up with something on the spot. However,

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Speaker 1: I do think there are some limits to what we

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Speaker 1: all rather. There's some basics that we can all agree

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Speaker 1: on when it comes to art and sculpture. They unveil

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Speaker 1: a new MLK sculpture. It is up on clanbuck dot com.

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Speaker 1: I would I would ask anybody listening right now if

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Speaker 1: you can if you're obviously not if you're driving, safety first,

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Speaker 1: but if you're near a smartphone or a computer and

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Speaker 1: you can go to clanbuck dot com check out this

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Speaker 1: new sculpture because we got to talk about it when

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Speaker 1: we come back. We got to have a little discussion

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Speaker 1: about the new MLK honoring sculpture in Boston is where

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Speaker 1: they unveiled it. So it is, And just think about it.

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Speaker 1: If you can unveil a sculpture dedicated to Martin Luther

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Speaker 1: King basically on Martin Luther King Day and it can

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Speaker 1: be publicly criticized on CNN, it's probably a sculpture that's

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Speaker 1: not that great of a sculpture. Just toss that out.

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Speaker 1: Probably we're gonna get into it. But my friends, many

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Speaker 1: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: play an Buck. We cover a lot of grounds here.

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Speaker 1: It's one of the things we do on this show,

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Speaker 1: a wide range of topics. Obviously the news and politics

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Speaker 1: and what's going on with all that. First and foremost

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Speaker 1: is a politics show, so what's going on show? But

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Speaker 1: we do culture, we do food. I was just talking

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Speaker 1: about quail eggs they're quite delicious. As I said, you know, crack,

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Speaker 1: they're a little tough to crack. They're tiny, but it's

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Speaker 1: kind of fun. And if you get them just right, Clay,

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Speaker 1: it looks like you've got a tiny little Friday egg

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Speaker 1: like you would, you know, like you would make for

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Speaker 1: like a dollhouse or something. You've a tiny little Frida egg. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I know it's random, but I'm just saying, this is

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Speaker 1: what does. The egg shortage is a real thing going

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Speaker 1: on across the country right now, and apparently also the

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Speaker 1: baby formula shortage. We cover a lot of ground. Occasionally

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Speaker 1: we get into artistic criticism, and that's where we are

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Speaker 1: right now. What's fascinating about this is you would think

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Speaker 1: you would think that to criticize a new statue that

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Speaker 1: was meant to show respect to Martin Luther King on

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Speaker 1: Martin Luther King Day, that that would be just be

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Speaker 1: on the pale. Nobody would ever do such a thing. Well,

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Speaker 1: in this case, kind of everybody's doing it, or a

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Speaker 1: lot of people are doing it. I wouldn't say everybody,

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Speaker 1: but a lot of folks are just on artistic grounds.

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Speaker 1: This is nothing. This has nothing to do with Martin

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Speaker 1: Luther King, his legacy, anything else. It's just who made

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Speaker 1: the statue. It's called the Embrace, and it's by the

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Speaker 1: artist Hank Willis Thomas. So I'm not going to be

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to be getting this guy to make

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Speaker 1: my bust, you know. I think that's you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: not I'm not quite a bust level yet, Clay, but

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Speaker 1: maybe one day so symbolize the hug doctor King and

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Speaker 1: Coretta Scott King shared after doctor King won the nineteen

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Speaker 1: sixty four Nobel Peace Prize. Here's the way the Washington

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Speaker 1: Post wrote wrote about it. Martin Luther king Junior statue

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Speaker 1: in Boston draws online mockery and disdain. Now even now

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Speaker 1: some people on the left were upset about this because

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Speaker 1: where's his head? Yeah, which is a fair like why

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Speaker 1: are you just showing arms and hands? It could be anybody,

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Speaker 1: you know, It doesn't there's nothing about this that would

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Speaker 1: No person would walk past this and be like, ah, yes,

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Speaker 1: commemorating the greatness of doctor Martin Luther King and the

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Speaker 1: you know, the revolution injustice and racial in a racial

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Speaker 1: healing or a path the Rachel healing for this country.

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Speaker 1: They would look at this and say, what is this

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Speaker 1: And I'm not trying I'm not trying to I'm just

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Speaker 1: observing here. When people look at the sculpture from certain directions,

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Speaker 1: all they do is they say, I can't believe somebody

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Speaker 1: didn't see this the way I'm seeing it, because this

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Speaker 1: is not what they we're trying to go for here

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Speaker 1: it looks like a gigantic penus from certain angles, which

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess if you wanted to be memorialized,

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Speaker 1: there are worse ways to be memorialized. But ten million

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Speaker 1: dollars they spent on this thing. And I you know,

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Speaker 1: sometimes art in the immediate aftermath of its creation gets ridiculed, right.

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Speaker 1: For instance, the Vietnam War Memorial, if you have been

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Speaker 1: to it in Washington, DC, very powerful and amazing. I

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Speaker 1: think quite beloved initially was not thought to be a

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Speaker 1: great representation of a memorial. I don't think that this

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Speaker 1: this sculpture is going to have that kind of trajectory

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Speaker 1: where as people spend more time around than it becomes

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Speaker 1: more beloved. I also wonder you do a lot of

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Speaker 1: different mocks before you make a sculpture. How is it

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Speaker 1: possible that this guy came up with this design and

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Speaker 1: everybody said, this is a ten million dollar art project.

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Speaker 1: We love it? Is it? And I don't even know

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Speaker 1: what's the what's the racial background of this guy? Were

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Speaker 1: people afraid to criticize an MLK sculpture design white people

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Speaker 1: because they were afraid they'd be called racist if they

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Speaker 1: pointed out that it looked ridiculous? I bet well that

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Speaker 1: that happened. I think that's very lot. I think it's,

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Speaker 1: by the way, irrespective of who the artist designing this

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Speaker 1: may be, I think that there's just a nobody would

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Speaker 1: be willing along this process to say anything, and certainly

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Speaker 1: to say this is to some people. Um, I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to think of how to how to say this, Clay,

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Speaker 1: you just said it, but there and there are some

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Speaker 1: anatomical associations that are unintentional. That's the best way I

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Speaker 1: could put this. That when people look at this, they

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Speaker 1: go okay, yeah, links like something else. I think if

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Speaker 1: you are a white guy or girl, who is the

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Speaker 1: kind of person that would be on the board raising

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Speaker 1: ten million dollars for an MLK statue, you are so

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Speaker 1: terrified of saying anything racially inappropriate, particularly as it connotes

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Speaker 1: to a MLK sculpture that there were probably a lot

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Speaker 1: of people who saw this and thought, and I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure this is ten million dollars well spent. I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure this honors doctor King's legacy very well. But they

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Speaker 1: were afraid to speak out because this is what diversity

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Speaker 1: inclusion does. A big part of diversity inclusion is knowing

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Speaker 1: who is allowed in their world, who is allowed to

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Speaker 1: have an opinion, and who is it buck these white

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Speaker 1: people who inevitably helped to raise some of this ten

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Speaker 1: million dollars or terrified of being considered uh ghost, of

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Speaker 1: being considered inappropriate, of not being diverse and inclusive enough

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Speaker 1: to even I bet say a word of criticism about design.

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Speaker 1: Think about if there's like a design art committee here.

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Speaker 1: I mean, just put yourself in this position, Clay, You're

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Speaker 1: going around, You're you're in the room, if you're if

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Speaker 1: you're having a conversation about this sculpture, you're talking about

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Speaker 1: people who are artists, people who are you know, on

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Speaker 1: the cutting edge of culture. You're gonna have a lot

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Speaker 1: of people announcing pronouns, very very sensitive to the the

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Speaker 1: wokeness of the moment. You think any of them are

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Speaker 1: gonna say anything about this design that undermines it in

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Speaker 1: any way. No, and so what you have, Like I said,

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Speaker 1: go and go to claimbuck dot com. It's really about

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Speaker 1: the angle you look at it. I'm just gonna say

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Speaker 1: that from certain angles it's certain it's a gigantic penis.

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Speaker 1: I'm just telling you to look at it from certain

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Speaker 1: angles and then just wonder how could they not have

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Speaker 1: seen what we all see