1 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football clubs. Are you ready for 3 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 4 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. 5 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 6 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. 7 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: It is Tuesday, December first, two, Thy twenty, season sixteen, 8 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: episode number seventy two. Welcome to the latest edition of 9 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: The Break, present by Geico. We appreciate you guys joining us. 10 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: We've got forty five minutes here to talk some Cowboys football. 11 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: We got a lot of different topics we're gonna try 12 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: to hit today. Um and it's some point, at some 13 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: point we'll try to get to some questions from you guys. 14 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: Hopefully we can hit some questions towards the third segment 15 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: of the show. So if you want to hit up 16 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: Amber on Twitter, you can get those questions. And she 17 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: already has some questions, but I'm sure she'll take some 18 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: more if you have a really good one. Welcome to 19 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 1: the show. Let's let's get started. Yesterday we find out 20 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: the Cowboys game that was supposed to originally be played 21 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: this Thursday against the Baltimore Ravens was moved again. It 22 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: had been moved to Monday of next week. Now it's 23 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: been moved to Tuesday. My question for our panel is 24 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: how does this affect this team? Now getting a really 25 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 1: long break between the last game and the game with 26 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: the Ravens and then having another short week very very 27 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: much like what you would typically have for a Thursday 28 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: game heading then into the game with Cincinnati. Let's start 29 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: with you, Nick, Well, I don't know everything that's that 30 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: you know it's going and that's involved in these decisions, 31 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: and I'll invade the NFL for having to do all that, 32 00:01:55,920 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: but you know, I you know it'll it'll affect Cowboys 33 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: probably more on the back end. I wish, I wish 34 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: we could understand why they move the game from Tuesday 35 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: to Wednesday. Um, I only can think of one reason, 36 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: and I don't know if that's a good, you know, 37 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: reason to do it. So I just I don't know. 38 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: I you know, this is a team that lost their 39 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: strength coach in the middle of a Thursday, Thanksgiving weeks, 40 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: so they're having to deal with a lot of stuff. 41 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: So how does it affect them. I mean, they'll they 42 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 1: get a little bit more time to face a Baltimore 43 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 1: team who you have no idea who's going to be 44 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: out there. So I guess that's good, but I mean, 45 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: what do you how can you really help with this 46 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: extra time other than just use it as rest amber 47 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,239 Speaker 1: It just sucks when I mean, obviously no one wants 48 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: this kind of situation to happen, but I know, I 49 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: know it must suck when when your schedule is just 50 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 1: thrown off. The fact that you have a weekly schedule, 51 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: a weekly structure that you go by. You know, this 52 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: week your practice, you know this week you look at 53 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: film and all that, this day and all that. So 54 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: it it sucks in that way because you can really 55 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: fully utilize this time because you don't really know what's 56 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: going on with Baltimore. It's not like, oh, you can 57 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: fully prepare for them. So in my head, I'm hoping 58 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: that maybe they use this week and divide it into 59 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: sometime spending it for the preparation for the next opponent. 60 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: Maybe because the next week it's going to be a 61 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: short week for the Cowboys, so they're gonna have to 62 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: balance out that kind of preparation and hopefully because of 63 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: what's happening in Baltimore and the uncertainty there, maybe you 64 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: use that time to look at the next opponent in 65 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: there and prepare for the following week. Dave, it's a really, 66 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: it's a great point. A g Just yeah. I mean, 67 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: there's only so much you can do with this extra time, 68 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: and teams advance scout anyway, so I would bet they 69 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: will spend some time on Cincinnati as a result of that. 70 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: My thing is, I just and I'm with Nick, like, 71 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: I don't envy the people that have to decide this stuff, 72 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: but I'm I'm just kind of at a loss for 73 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: why the NFL seems so reluctant to extend the season, 74 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: you know, I mean at a week eighteen, like you 75 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: can build that into the playoffs and still get what 76 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: you want to do done. It just seems like the 77 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: links that they're going to play it on schedule is 78 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: gonna I mean, it's it's it's kind of ridiculous. I mean, 79 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: you know, all of these late changes, asking teams to 80 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 1: play games on four and five days rest. I just 81 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: think it's bizarre, and I don't understand what the harm 82 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: would be in just adding a week to the season, 83 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: but the league seems bound and determined not to do that. 84 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: And maybe maybe we're not going to see an outbreak 85 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: on scale with what we're seeing in Baltimore right now. 86 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: But like this, I just I have a feeling this 87 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: is going to keep happening. I mean, it's December now, 88 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: It's we're in the middle of the flu season. COVID 89 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 1: cases are going getting worse and worse. Like I would 90 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: just imagine this next month is going to be really dicey. 91 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 1: So I don't envy the league for having to figure 92 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,359 Speaker 1: all this out, but I'm not convinced they're doing a 93 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: great job. Yeah, it seems a little strange to me, 94 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 1: just that there are there are some teams that are 95 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: being forced to just deal with their circumstances. I look 96 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: at Denver last weekend where they were essentially they were 97 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: told basically played the game without a quarterback and that's 98 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 1: what they had to do. And there seems to be 99 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: this this decision from the standpoint of the Ravens, that 100 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: they keep making allowances for them with their COVID cases 101 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: rather than just saying everybody they can't play, just can't play. 102 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: Figure it out and put a team on the field. Obviously, 103 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 1: there's a lot more to it, and there's probably some 104 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: things that are being discussed that are far beyond what 105 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: we know, but it just seems like everything keeps getting 106 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: pushed back for the Ravens and we'll see how much 107 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: that affects the Steelers in their game coming up this Wednesday. 108 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: That's been moved around quite a bit for them, and 109 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: the Steelers have to be a little frustrated because they've 110 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: this is the second time this year when they faced 111 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: this kind of situation where the other team had issues 112 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: and because of that, it was games had to be 113 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: moved and adjusted on the Steeler schedule. But all things considered, 114 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: we all knew going into this season there'd be lots 115 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: of changes and they just have to deal with it. 116 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: I think somebody would probably offer the rebuttal and say 117 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: deadverse situation didn't involve an ongoing spread, at least not 118 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: that we knew about. You know, they had their high 119 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: risk contacts, they didn't have any positive tests, whereas I 120 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: think Baltimore had nine straight days of positive tests, which 121 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 1: is to say they don't even know if they've contained it, 122 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: so they don't feel comfortable having guys travel or play. 123 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: I guess I get that, but I do agree with you. 124 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like there's a lot of consistency. I mean, 125 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: this all happened with Tennessee back in October. It was 126 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: very similar, and it is interesting. You know what constitutes 127 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: getting the league to make all these accommodations verse saying oh, sorry, 128 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: you're just gonna have to deal with it. Like I said, 129 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: it doesn't seem very consistent, and I would guess we're 130 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: going to have a few more situations like this before 131 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: the regular season is over, and God help us if 132 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: it happens in the playoffs. Yeah. I just wonder if 133 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: at some point the league is forced to make teams, 134 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: especially if they find proof that the teams weren't following 135 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: the protocols as they should, if they will force teams 136 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: to forfeit games, that'll be interesting to see. They haven't 137 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: been willing to do that to this point, but that 138 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: would definitely be interesting if they go that far with 139 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: this whole thing. Let's change the subject. Let's flick a 140 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: little bit more into internally at the Cowboys. Let's start 141 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: first with the offensive line. We didn't get a chance 142 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: to talk extensively about them. Yesterday, but obviously they lost 143 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: both their tackles, both their second string tackles in the 144 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: game against the Washington football team, and they were left 145 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: with Brandon Knight and Terrence Steele. Again, my question for 146 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: you guys is is there another option that they have 147 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: at this point at the tackle position or are they 148 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: forced Not that they haven't been willing to do it 149 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: in the past, but are they forced at this point 150 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: to just roll with Brian. I'm sorry with Brandon Knight 151 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: and Terrence Steele. Let's start first with you Amber, not 152 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: that I know of. I mean, these are the guys, 153 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: you know what the worst part. I mean, obviously it 154 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: sucks seeing sick Martin going down and all that, but 155 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: then I'm like, oh my god, here comes still back again. 156 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: Just when we got him out of the feel he 157 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: comes back. And I feel terrible for saying that. I 158 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: apologize because I know he's trying the best that he 159 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: can do. But it just sucks. It sucks all these injuries. 160 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 1: It sucks that you cannot find any kind of consistency 161 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: there and as of right now, I mean, maybe Dave 162 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: and Nick have a better answer here, but I don't know. 163 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: No name comes to mind right now, someone who would 164 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: be better at the tackle position at this moment, Dave, 165 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: I mean there are other names on the roster. You 166 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: got Eric Smith, who they claimed off of waivers back 167 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,719 Speaker 1: in September. You got Greg Snott who they poached from 168 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: Cleveland's practice squad. And then Jordan Mills, who was the 169 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: veteran guy that we've talked about before. You know, he 170 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: started a few seasons for Buffalo in Chicago. But like 171 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: I'm okay, I did, Like you know, I get we're 172 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: doing we're doing our due diligence, but are we talking 173 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 1: about improvements? I tend to doubt it. So maybe they 174 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 1: want to trot one of those guys out, but I 175 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: would guess not based on how firm they've been about 176 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: Terrence Steele all season. I would be surprised to see 177 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: that at this point. Nick, Yeah, I mean, I don't 178 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: think that they have any intention of doing that. For 179 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: some reason, they want to see this through with Steele. 180 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know how many times I mean, 181 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: he's you know, he's he's struggled for sure, and he struggled, 182 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: you know, with giving up sacks, penalties, whatever. I mean, 183 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: Brandon Knight, you I think I was telling you this 184 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: other day, Derek. You know Brandon knyat uh it doesn't 185 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: have one penalty against him this year. I was surprised 186 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: by that. Um, uh, the steel leads the offense and penalties, 187 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: don't lead the team. I think we know who leads 188 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: the team and penalties, but he's the leads of the offense. 189 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 1: He's got six and uh, you know, I just it's 190 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: kind of weird for Brandon Knight, first time starter. Um, 191 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: and he hasn't played a whole lot, you know, but 192 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: but I think that you know, he's he's been a 193 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: good option for them. But but yeah, I don't see 194 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: any other option of the other than Steele and Night. 195 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: Right now, would you guys consider and I know the Cowboys, 196 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: I should say, I know I feel pretty certain that 197 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: the Cowboys are not going to do this. Would you 198 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: guys consider the possibility that when Tyler Beatis is healthy, 199 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: that maybe you put him in at center, you put 200 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: Luni in at guard, and maybe you get a look 201 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:53,599 Speaker 1: at at Connor Williams at tackle. I would because I 202 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: think I look at next year and I don't and 203 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: I think Connor McGovern is probably going to be a 204 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: better guard than Connor Williams. So when I think about 205 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: all that for next year, where does Connor Williams go, 206 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: I probably would look a look at him as a 207 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: being a swing tackle there, So yeah, I would do it. Dave, Okay, 208 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: I like that. I like that idea. And if if 209 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: Tyler Beatis comes back, I'm you know, Joe Looney is 210 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: going to play center till he's healthy, but I'd like 211 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: to think if he can come back this season that 212 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: they would want to get him some reps and keep 213 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: you know, getting him experience and having him playing games. 214 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: So that's certainly an intriguing option to try at different 215 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: best five. Yeah, I don't know if you do it 216 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 1: right now while while Tyler's hurt, but I would definitely 217 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: try to give that a try. If Tyler can come back. 218 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: I don't think they will, but I would. Yeah, I'd 219 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: be interested for sure. Amber absolutely. I mean, we've been 220 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: talking about this for quite a while now, wanting to 221 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: see Connor a tackle and giving him a try it. 222 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: But I'm curious to know to really know what the 223 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: coaching staff think is and how do they feel, because 224 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: clearly we have not been on the same page as them. 225 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: We see things differently than they do. So I would 226 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: be really curious to see or no, just kind of 227 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: their thoughts on that and if that's a move that 228 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 1: they would want to make at some point, even if 229 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: it's not this specific season, but at some point in 230 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: the near future. You know. The interesting part about that, 231 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,839 Speaker 1: Amber is that we have been on a different page 232 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: from them, but it seems like at some point throughout 233 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: this year they always come around to our line of 234 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: thinking happening. We saw it happen with Walley, we saw 235 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: it happened with Poe, we saw it happened lately with 236 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: the move of Zach Martin out to tackle again, putting 237 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: still on the bench. So eventually they come around and 238 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: thinking like we're thinking, so we must be onto something. 239 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: We're gonna take our first break when we come back. 240 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 1: I want to talk about this coaching staff, particularly about 241 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: some of the decision making that's been happening. 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It's now available within the Dallas Cowboys 288 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: app under the Stadium tab. Welcome back to the second 289 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: segment of the Break presented by Geico. We are talking Cowboys. 290 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: We're talking a show where we're gonna talk about a 291 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: lot of different topics. We're gonna talk about this coaching 292 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: staff next, and we're gonna start with Mike McCarthy. There 293 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: have been a number of times this decision this season 294 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: when he's made some decisions that have raised eyebrows, and 295 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: I'm wondering for myself, I'm wondering if a lot of 296 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: that is because we've just been so used to the 297 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: Jason Garrett style of coaching, which I don't think anybody 298 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: would characterize as aggressive, and then flipping to another extreme 299 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: where Mike McCarthy seems to be extremely aggressive. But I'll 300 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: ask you, guys, are you concerned about the decision making 301 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: of coach McCarthy. Let's start first with you, Nick. Yes, 302 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: I am. Nothing He's done so far, um has shown 303 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: what the things that they hired him for. And and 304 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: when I say shown, I'm talking about what we've seen 305 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: now behind closed doors maybe maybe it's better, but but 306 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: you know, you you you've got a three and eight 307 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: football team. Obviously there's been a lot of injuries, but 308 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: but there, you know, you have a veteran staff. You're 309 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: supposed to be able to figure out how to get 310 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: guys in place and try to, you know, help with 311 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: your depth a little bit. And maybe maybe it's just 312 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: been too many injuries. Then then one team can can take. 313 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: But you know, from the decision making that he's done 314 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: within the game, the game management, it hasn't worked. You know, 315 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: it didn't work even in the first game of the season. 316 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: So um, he got lucky obviously with the second game, 317 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: you know, with the with the on side kick, but 318 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: you know, I think that was a questionable decision as well. 319 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: But but nothing that he's done so far you can 320 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: really say and go, wow, you know, that's that's that's 321 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,479 Speaker 1: really good. The only thing that's got going for him 322 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: it is the pedigree in the history of that he 323 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: has a Super Bowl Trophy. And Nick, I'm gonna challenge 324 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: you a little bit here because everybody on this show 325 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: and everybody who's listening out there knows that you're a 326 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: fleeflicker guy like you like do it every game. I 327 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: want to see them do a fleef flicker every single game. 328 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: So tell me the difference. You're aggressive in that aspect, 329 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: but you're concerned about his aggressiveness. Tell me that the difference, Well, 330 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: his aggressiveness. I was really talking more about the fake punts. 331 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: But but but his aggressiveness. Um, here's the difference. This 332 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: team isn't good enough to be as aggressive as he 333 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: wants to be. He wants to to to put it 334 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: on the players. Well, the players aren't good enough right now. 335 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: This team isn't good enough. So he's taking chances like 336 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: he did and Thursday in the game when he shouldn't 337 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: have to and and and that's not a calculated risk. 338 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: So to try to throw the ball to a punter 339 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: so that I feel like the flee flicker thing is 340 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: I want those safeties thinking that Zeke might pitch it back. 341 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 1: He might because they do it once again. Is this 342 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: the play? No, it isn't. So go up there and 343 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 1: make the tackle. But you were a little bit late 344 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: and there was an eight yard run. I want you 345 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: thinking that way. But I don't know the advantage of 346 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: always thinking, well, this might be a punt, this might 347 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: be a fake. So I mean that I think there's 348 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 1: way too many fakes when you're talking about fake punts. 349 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: But I just think he's he's too aggressive for a 350 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: team that's not good enough to handle it. Yeah, And 351 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:38,919 Speaker 1: the point is you're saying you don't think that that 352 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 1: a flea flickers aggressive. That's just that should be a 353 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: part of your offense, just to make safeties have to 354 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: account for the fact that this could be a run, 355 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: this could be a pass. And the problem though is 356 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, all right, Dave, what do you think? Go ahead? 357 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: But but but Nick no Um, what I was gonna 358 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: say is is it stems back to when you can't 359 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: run the football on that On that after Jalen's interception 360 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 1: first and goal at the four, they get stuff for 361 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 1: a two yard loss. Okay, they tried to run it. 362 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: Then they tried this fake reverse pass to maybe Andy 363 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: Dalton or whatever. But because they know that you don't, 364 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: you don't have to worry about the run, they can 365 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: look for all that kind of stuff. So and when 366 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 1: the special team's coach runs a fake, I mean every 367 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: other game, they're looking for that kind of stuff, so 368 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: they'll give up just a you know, a non return 369 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:24,880 Speaker 1: and you fair catch it and it's a forty five 370 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: yard punt no return. That's fine because they're looking for 371 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 1: a fake punt. That's a little different than a safety 372 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: that's always looking for a flea flicker. In my opinion, 373 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: makes sense. Dave, are you concerned about coach McCarthy's aggresiveness. 374 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: I really I don't have too much of a problem 375 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 1: with what Mike McCarthy has done during games this season. 376 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: Obviously we covered it. The fake punt the other day 377 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: was one of the stupidest things I've ever seen that 378 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: that is, that's a different category. I don't like that. 379 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: But even you go back over the course of the season, 380 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 1: the fake punt return, you know, the lateral back to 381 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: c J. Goodwin against Pittsburgh, big part of why they 382 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: were able to keep that game close. Great play. I 383 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: think they did a fake against Atlanta where CJ just 384 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: dropped the ball like again, probably would have worked. Like 385 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: these are all decisions where you're like, uh, it could 386 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,239 Speaker 1: have worked, but it didn't, and that's football. You know, 387 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: same thing going forward on fourth down against LA all 388 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 1: the way back in Week one. Love it, I love 389 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: that call, just didn't work. It has also worked a 390 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: few times. They went forward on fourth down twice against Minnesota, 391 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: got them both big part of why they won that game. 392 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: So I love the in game stuff. I think you 393 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: could probably dial back the special team's craziness a little bit, 394 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,360 Speaker 1: but I'm even okay with that. My problem with Mike 395 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: McCarthy is really Monday to Saturday decision making to this point, 396 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: which is kind of funny because I loved what Jason 397 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: Garrett used to do Monday to Saturday, and I hated 398 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: what he did on Sunday. I'm kind of the opposite 399 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: with Mike. Can't have it all, Dave, you can't have 400 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 1: it all. I mean, like the stuff that others me 401 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: about Mike McCarthy is, why did it take your defense 402 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: seven weeks to look like an NFL defense? Like? Why 403 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 1: did it look like JV And we can talk about 404 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: Dontari Poe and Everson Griffin and Darryl Worley all we want. 405 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: I don't think I buy that that's the difference between 406 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: giving up seventy yard rushing touchdowns and not like that 407 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: that's just unacceptable at the NFL level of football. How 408 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: about the fact that everybody in the world was like 409 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: anyone but Terrence Steele and Mike McCarthy was like, that's 410 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: fantasy football nonsense. And then like three weeks later he 411 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: tries Zach Martin and it works. Like it's stuff like 412 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: that that gives me pause. Where like you know, like, 413 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 1: like you just said in the first segment, Derek, like 414 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: us four dummies shouldn't be able to sit here and 415 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: have better ideas than the coaching staff does. But it 416 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: has felt like that at times this season. But as 417 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: far as like the aggressiveness on game day, I leaned 418 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: toward liking it for the most part. Like I'll I'll 419 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: live and die on that hill. You know, even even 420 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: you're not gonna win all those decisions, but I'll take 421 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: it if you're aggressively trying to win games. Okay, So 422 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 1: as a fun aside, David, if you had to choose 423 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: between the coach that's great on Monday through Saturday or 424 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: the coach just says great on game day, which one 425 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: are you're taking? Yeah? I mean, look, we're one year 426 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 1: into this thing with Mike and everything that can go 427 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: wrong has gone wrong. So I'm not saying Mike McCarthy's 428 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: gonna win the Super Bowl for this team, but like, i'll, i'll, 429 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: I'm okay with trying this out and seeing where it 430 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: goes as opposed to just going back to what didn't 431 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: work for a decade. All right, So Amber, are you 432 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: concerned with Mike McCarthy's decision making? I am. I have 433 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 1: very mixed emotions about this whole situation. Obviously, we were 434 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: wanting to see a change. We were wanting someone new 435 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: and hear, someone with a new voice, someone who could 436 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: be more fun out on the field, who could have 437 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: more fun when he comes to play calling and have 438 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: that kind of aggressiveness that we were lacking from Jason 439 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: Garrett as far as playing conservative football. But at the 440 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 1: same time, even though I have liked certain things that 441 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: he's done, there has been a lot of questionable decisions 442 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: throughout the season. And the thing with me, how I 443 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: see it is you need to have self awareness. You 444 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: need to know what your team is doing, know what 445 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: you look like. No that, Okay, we're not really accomplishing 446 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: this and unable to make this place happen. So maybe 447 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 1: as for right now, just for right now, we kind 448 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: of take it back a little bit, play and more conservative, 449 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: more conservative. I can't even say the word, but you 450 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,479 Speaker 1: get my point, Just not be as aggressive, just so 451 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: that you can start completing place and being more effective 452 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: on the field. And it's hard to say because I 453 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 1: do like it, because when you're aggressive, it makes football 454 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: more fun. But at the same time, it sucks when 455 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: you're losing games. It sucks when you see a fun play, 456 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: you put it out on the field, but it wasn't effective. 457 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: So therefore next week you're not scaring anybody because the 458 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: opponent knows you can't make it happen. So it's just 459 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: for me, it's just having a little more self awareness. 460 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: And again, like these other guys said, we don't know 461 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: what happens behind closed doors. We don't know how he 462 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,360 Speaker 1: is in team meetings and any or any of that, 463 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,719 Speaker 1: but we do know what we see on the field 464 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: and what we see from players. And the reality is 465 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: that it took a really long time for it to 466 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: start translating to these players. And the fact that the 467 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 1: whole first season, first half of the season, we were 468 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 1: seeing that lack of emotion, that lack of what's the 469 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: word I'm looking for, the just being competitive, We weren't 470 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: seeing that were this team had no soul throughout the 471 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 1: first half of the season, so that that's that's a 472 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: problem because you need your leader to be able to 473 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: have a voice and translate at the same time. And 474 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 1: you cannot tell me that this is just oh lack 475 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: of talent of players and blah blah blah, because at 476 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: the same time you got a lot of guys. How 477 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: many players are there on a football team. There is 478 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: no possible way that everyone just simply sucks on the field. No, 479 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: it has to come from the person who's trying to 480 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: inspire you. So I'm sorry, but as of right now, 481 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: it's just not quite working out. Now, I think that 482 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: I think those are valid points. I'm personally not willing 483 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: to completely crucify Mike McCarthy yet, as Dave mentioned, there's 484 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 1: been pretty much everything that could go wrong has gone wrong, 485 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: and a lot of that stuff is well beyond his control. 486 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 1: I would have expected with an experienced coach like this 487 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: that he could have made up that difference and they 488 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: wouldn't have been as bad as they've been, particularly on 489 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,199 Speaker 1: defense throughout the year, even with all the challenges that 490 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: they've had. But I'm not willing to completely crucify him 491 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 1: on that. I think we give him a little bit 492 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: of a mulligan because this was such a weird year 493 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: and I want to see what happens in the future. 494 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 1: What I do know, or at least what I think 495 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: I know at this point, is he's not a coach 496 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: that necessarily knows how to coach his team through adversity well, 497 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,719 Speaker 1: and that's something that we did always say about Jason Garrett. 498 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: In adverse situations, it seemed like he had an ability 499 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: to get his team to play above their heads. And 500 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: the problem that we had with Coach Garrett was when 501 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: then they were in the front, they seemed to play 502 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: down sometimes. So, however, you want to ment that, I'm 503 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: not willing to completely crucify him yet. I think we 504 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: got to still figure out over the next couple of 505 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,919 Speaker 1: years really what we think of this coach and what 506 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: he's able to do here. Let's move up to the 507 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: special teams though, I want to talk about John Fossil 508 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,919 Speaker 1: and a lot of these decisions that have been made 509 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: have revolved around the special teams. My first question for 510 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: you guys is do you think he has the latitude 511 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: to be able to just make decisions on what he 512 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: wants to do on special teams without the head coach's 513 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 1: input because we I know, we saw Nick I don't know. 514 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: I think it was you that sent the clip of 515 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: his last game with the Rams, and it was a 516 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: play where they did they ran a fake on a 517 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: special teams on a punt and the head coach, you 518 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: could tell he was seemed very aggravated, as though he 519 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: didn't know what was really going on, and the special 520 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: teams coordinator just decided that's what he was gonna do. 521 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: And it made me think Number one, was that the 522 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 1: reason that maybe the Rams moved on from Fossil? And 523 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: number two, does he have the same kind of latitude 524 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: here where he's making decisions and they don't necessarily match 525 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: up with what's going on in the game. Let's start 526 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: first with you, Dave. I mean, I think there's there's 527 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: no way to know the mechanism of that, like publicly basically, 528 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 1: like that's I mean, that's the essence of coaches. You're like, 529 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: you're going to protect that that process, and if it 530 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: does come out, it probably means you're heading for like 531 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,439 Speaker 1: a mess divorce. Like those starts of details start to 532 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 1: come out when you're looking for justification for firing a 533 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: guy or moving on or whatever. So I don't know 534 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: if he's got that latitude. It wouldn't surprise me based 535 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: on his expertise and the amount of times they do it. 536 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: But again, that's what I feel for a head coach 537 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: in a situation like that. Maybe McCarthy thought that that 538 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: was a great call, maybe he actually hated it, but 539 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: he's got to go defend it because you're opening a 540 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: can of worms. If you don't like it. It ain't 541 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,439 Speaker 1: worth it to throw your special teams coordinator under the 542 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 1: bus like that, unless you're trying to move on from him. 543 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: I will say, just with John Fossil, and it came 544 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: into crystal clarity after this fiasco on Thursday, is it's 545 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: great to be aggressive, but if you're so aggressive that 546 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: teams change the way they play you because of your reputation, 547 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: that's not great. Like I don't know if that's great 548 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: for everybody to be like, well, we got John Fossil 549 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: on the schedule, we better be on our p's and q's, 550 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: Like Like how we don't talk about that with like 551 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: ninety nine percent of teams, But I remember last year 552 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: when they played the Rams in December, we talked about 553 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: that leading up to the game. We were like, you 554 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: gotta be careful with Fossil, Hecker and Zerline like they're 555 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: gonna do something wild. I don't know if that's great 556 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: when people know that right off the bat, Nick, what 557 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: are your thoughts? What was the question again? I'm sorry, 558 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: what are you asking? Specific? The question is do you 559 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: think Fossil has the latitude to be able to make 560 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: these calls in all? And if so, do you think 561 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: that's the right decision? No, to give him that lattices. No. 562 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: I think I think he does have that latitude. I 563 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: think he's always I think I don't think he sleeps 564 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: at nine. I think he thinks about fake double punt 565 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: reverses and stuff like that, and I think he comes 566 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: in the next morning about four am and about dreaming 567 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,959 Speaker 1: about them. He might. He might he bust into McCarthy's 568 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: office and be like, what do you think about this? 569 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: You know? And I think the whole game he's probably 570 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: trying to use you his ear, trying to convince him 571 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: to do that. That's what I really believe. I don't 572 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: think like he he makes the call, but I think 573 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: he's talking about it throughout the game and trying to 574 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: do that. Um, you know, and I think it's just 575 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: too much. I mean, like I said, If If and I, 576 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: we've been told this punt returners, you know, like like 577 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: you you have a different plan when you're playing against 578 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: him because and what are you giving up? Okay, so 579 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: we're not going to return it this game this time. 580 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: Just tell CD faircatch it because we're not going to 581 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: return this because we want to play the gunners a 582 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: little bit differently. That's that's all you're giving up. Really, 583 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: and just make sure you don't give up fake punts 584 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: because you're always watching for it. So yeah, I do 585 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: think that I think he has probably a little bit 586 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: more leeway than than he should because I mean they've 587 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: run two in one game before, they've run three this year. 588 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: It hasn't worked. I mean I think he's run four 589 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: trick plays maybe, um nah, you can you can say 590 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: they probably run seven trick plays this year and they've 591 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: gotten two of them. It was an on site kick 592 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: counts a trick play, which too, they got the watermelon 593 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: kick and then they got the Steelers and return throwback. 594 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: The three fake ponts, they haven't gotten the drop kick 595 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: against Philadelphia. I mean that almost worked, but it didn't. 596 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: You know, I mean that almost worked, and that's all 597 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: I can really think of Cleveland. They tried a couple 598 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: of weird looking plays there, so um, you know, he 599 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: did one where and they like snapped it to darry 600 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: and Thompson too, didn't they? That was that was the 601 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: It's basically yeah, it's basically been a weekly thing. Yeah, 602 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: and that's yeah. I wish there would have been a 603 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: camera on McCarthy's face so we would have seen a 604 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: reaction and how he really felt about that decision. But 605 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,479 Speaker 1: you know, I feel bad for Fossil. I mean, I 606 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: think he has great intentions and I think he really 607 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: works hard. He really wants his whole Special Team's group 608 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: to be able to make game changing plays. But the 609 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: thing is, again I go back to the whole self 610 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: awareness thing, like you need to know when you need 611 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: to take a step back, And to me, I see him, 612 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to call him like a nerd or anything, 613 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: but I see him as a nerdy guy who's like 614 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: really invested on his playbook and just out there just 615 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: trying to come up with creative plays and everything. But 616 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,719 Speaker 1: at the same time, you gotta make it happen on 617 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: the field and I think he can get better at 618 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: this next year. I expect special teams to be better 619 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: than what we've seen so far with more time to 620 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: prepare and all that. But that's that's an easy fix. 621 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: I think when it comes to a play call, I mean, 622 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: you make the decision and you just you just gotta 623 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,479 Speaker 1: be more aware of what's going on on the field 624 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 1: and more aware of your players and knowing that. Okay, 625 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: I love the guys, and I think they can get there, 626 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: and I think they can make it happen, but I 627 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: gotta be real and understand that this is maybe not 628 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: the year where we tried those kinds of things. Unless 629 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: you you're not trying to win the game and you 630 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: want to risk it, then that's fine. Be playful and 631 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: go for it. Let's also point out on that that 632 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: play with Fossil against them, it was against the Cardinals 633 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: last year with the Rams. That was his last game 634 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: with the Rams. It was the last game of the 635 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: season after they had lost to the Cowboys and they 636 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 1: were out of the playoffs, so it was Week seventeen. 637 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: There was just playing it to play, so you know, 638 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: but still, I mean, the head coach didn't didn't appreciate 639 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 1: it um When did he get so mad? Then? I 640 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: mean because it was McVeigh gets so fourth and eight 641 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,719 Speaker 1: on their own twenty four. But but that that shows 642 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: to me that familiar Yeah, but that shows to me 643 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: that that he was making the call. I mean, I 644 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: mean he just went ahead and ran it. Anyways, that's 645 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 1: on that's on mcvaigh, just like it's on McCarthy if 646 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: he didn't have control over it. Yeah. The way I 647 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: look at this is there's good news and there's bad news. 648 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: The good news is there really is a third phase 649 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,320 Speaker 1: to the game. There's the offense, there's a defense, and 650 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 1: there's a special teams, and I think Fossil takes it 651 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 1: very seriously to figure out ways that special teams can 652 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: affect the outcome of the game. The bad news is 653 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,320 Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like they always are all coordinated, the offense, 654 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: working with the defense, working with the special teams in 655 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 1: order to do what's best for the team. And that's 656 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,720 Speaker 1: where I have a problem here. And whether it's Fossil 657 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 1: who's making decision or whether it's McCarthy who's making the decision. 658 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: I think that last game and that decision to go 659 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,439 Speaker 1: for that fake punt in that situation on fourth down, 660 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,240 Speaker 1: when you're backed up and you're still in the ball game, 661 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: to me, was a panic and it didn't work. It 662 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,359 Speaker 1: didn't coordinate with what you were doing on defense. Your 663 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: defense was, in my opinion, playing above their heads. Why 664 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 1: put them in a situation where they as they did 665 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: on the very next play they give up a twenty 666 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: three yard touchdown and then the game gets out of hand. 667 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 1: So I just I like the idea of it being 668 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: a really truly being a third phase of the game. 669 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: What I don't like is that it doesn't seem like 670 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 1: it's always well coordinated with the other parts or other 671 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: phases of the game. Dave, what are the three Yeah, Dave, 672 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: what are the three phases of the game? Offense, defense, 673 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 1: and special Right? And I could say the same thing 674 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 1: and everybody would say the exact same order. It's always offense, defense, 675 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 1: special team. I don't know if the coach, ever, I 676 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 1: don't know if Fossil actually he probably doesn't say that. 677 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 1: He probably sad special teams, defense, offense. But there's a 678 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: reason why that's the order, because that's always the priority. 679 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if if I mean because that's that's true, 680 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: that's just the way that it is, and so you go, 681 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 1: that's a great mentality, that's a great mentality. That's but 682 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 1: that's the way that I know. But I don't think 683 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 1: he Fossil thinks that way. He even said in his 684 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 1: very first interview that we are a big part of 685 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 1: the game. But you know, it's that's not the way 686 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: head coaches feel. If they felt that way, they'd put 687 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: their starters on there. They don't. It's a third phase. 688 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 1: It can't mess up though, um and we've seen you know, 689 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,879 Speaker 1: we've seen them mess up. But I mean they've made 690 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: some plays. They've made some plays. I mean Rico, you know, 691 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: Daddle made a really nice play. I mean, they didn't 692 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: lead to points, but it definitely could have if it's 693 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: not their fault. I mean, they've made some plays this year. 694 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: But for both teams. All we're gonna take our final break. 695 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,359 Speaker 1: We're gonna take our final break. When we come back, 696 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 1: We're gonna get some fan questions. Amber has some lined up. 697 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. 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Yeah? 738 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, man, you just we're looking forward to 739 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 1: being on his lap you just want to wait till 740 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 1: you can do that? Is that the idea? At the 741 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:11,960 Speaker 1: very least, wait until I don't have to wear a 742 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,880 Speaker 1: mask to do it? Yeah, I mean, okay, I don't know, 743 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,799 Speaker 1: all right, so we'll wait till next year. Welcome back 744 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,280 Speaker 1: to the final segment of the Break, presented by Geico. 745 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 1: Is there gonna be Santa really gonna take pictures with 746 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 1: a mask? That's gonna never mind? And yeah, it's gonna 747 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,719 Speaker 1: be as it's gonna be a socially distanced. I don't 748 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 1: know how they're gonna do it. It's interesting. We'll see. 749 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 1: I'm amber. Let us know how it goes when you 750 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 1: get over there. I don't know. We'll figure it out anyway. 751 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,160 Speaker 1: You guys are the ones with kids. Nick has babies, 752 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 1: and well you, Derek, you have grown ups kids Now. 753 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 1: I don't have babies. I don't have babies anymore. So 754 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 1: we're not doing Santa anymore. We're done. We're done with that. 755 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 1: We're through with that, all right, Anne. Let's get to 756 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,960 Speaker 1: some questions. What you got over there? Well, when we 757 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 1: came back from break, I was trying to ask you 758 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,720 Speaker 1: were we're going to talk about the defense. We haven't 759 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 1: really talked about the defense. No, I had it on 760 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,840 Speaker 1: the rundown, but I decided that we're gonna go with 761 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 1: questions because I promise we would go with questions. And 762 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 1: we only have like six minutes left, and we're gonna 763 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,719 Speaker 1: talk about defense tomorrow when we talk about the Baltimore 764 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,480 Speaker 1: offense versus the Cowboys defense, I'll save those questions. I 765 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 1: stand corrected, then, got it. I guess it's not always 766 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 1: offense defense special teams. On Derek's rundown, it was offense 767 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:24,719 Speaker 1: special teams defense. You're going defense when your defenses, when 768 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,719 Speaker 1: your defenses like the Cowboys right now, we'll spend a 769 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,799 Speaker 1: little less time on them. Well, okay, sorry to ruin 770 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:36,239 Speaker 1: your your little rundown um. Yesterday we talked about we 771 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: talked about the online um, and I did receive some 772 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,239 Speaker 1: questions about how hard is it really gonna be for 773 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,280 Speaker 1: next year for the Cowboys to replace or you know better, 774 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,320 Speaker 1: the old line. We know that Lahell and Tyrn Smith 775 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,359 Speaker 1: are coming back and all that, but as far as 776 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:57,319 Speaker 1: depth and other positions of needs, how hard is it 777 00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,960 Speaker 1: gonna be for the Cowboys to solidify the position group 778 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:06,040 Speaker 1: once again. They need a swing tackle, they need a 779 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:10,440 Speaker 1: competent maybe not even experience. They need a competent, talented 780 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 1: swing tackle, whether that preferably a draft pick, because as 781 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,960 Speaker 1: we've said, offensive tackles are expensive. Like you're not going 782 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 1: to sign a guy who's that good for cheap. It 783 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:25,720 Speaker 1: just doesn't happen. So I mean, I would I would 784 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,919 Speaker 1: say you need to spend a top one hundred draft 785 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 1: pick on an offensive tackle, whether that's first, second, third round, whatever. 786 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 1: But honestly, other than that, I'm not super worried about it. 787 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,440 Speaker 1: I don't like and I feel like I'm the offensive 788 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,480 Speaker 1: line apologist. But if we assume, and we got to 789 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,319 Speaker 1: keep an eye on it, we don't know that for sure. 790 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,560 Speaker 1: But if we assume Tyrn and Lyell can come back healthy, 791 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,520 Speaker 1: you've still got both of the Connors. You've still got 792 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,880 Speaker 1: Tyler Battish. Maybe you resigned Joe Looney. I think his 793 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,680 Speaker 1: deal is up, but that's not a terribly expensive contract. 794 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,359 Speaker 1: And then you've got all these young guys, like I 795 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 1: feel really good about Brandon Knight as like a fourth 796 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,000 Speaker 1: tackle slash guard, you know, Like, I think there's a 797 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,560 Speaker 1: lot of intriguing depth pieces already here. The problem is 798 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,319 Speaker 1: that they're having to start right now, but hopefully next 799 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,480 Speaker 1: year that won't be the case. Hey, real quick, I 800 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,360 Speaker 1: want to I want to ask this question and anyone 801 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 1: of you guys can jump in on it. Always certain 802 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,400 Speaker 1: that Brian I'm keep calling Brian Knight Brandon Knight. Always 803 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,880 Speaker 1: sure that Brandon Knight is not good enough to be 804 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,280 Speaker 1: a competent swing tackle. Remember, this is the first real 805 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 1: action that he's getting consistently week after week, and quite frankly, 806 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,000 Speaker 1: I think he's had some bad games, but I also 807 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,320 Speaker 1: think there have been some games where he's been pretty 808 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,719 Speaker 1: good relatively speaking. Are we sure that he's not, with 809 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,400 Speaker 1: more experience, that he's not the guy you're looking for 810 00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,400 Speaker 1: to be your swing tackle. Well, I mean, you make 811 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,359 Speaker 1: a good point because by the time next year he's 812 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,120 Speaker 1: going to be a third year pro with you know, 813 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, seven or eight starts and probably starts 814 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 1: on both sides of the ball. So yeah, he's got 815 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,759 Speaker 1: experience in both and he's shown the ability to go 816 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,040 Speaker 1: in there and be ready and which is what you 817 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:09,040 Speaker 1: need for a swing tackle. But you know, that just 818 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:13,040 Speaker 1: seems kind of reckless to me, with knowing that Lyell 819 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,480 Speaker 1: and Tyrn's injury, it just seems to say, well, we 820 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,000 Speaker 1: got we got Brandon Knight. I mean, I think fourth 821 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,200 Speaker 1: tackle for him would be good. I think he should 822 00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,440 Speaker 1: be the fourth tackle. I think they need to draft someone. 823 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,279 Speaker 1: You know, they need to try again and draft a 824 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,960 Speaker 1: Chaz Green. I know that that's not I mean that's 825 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,920 Speaker 1: what they did. They tried a third round from you know, 826 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,560 Speaker 1: a big school. He's played tackle, he was a good 827 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,560 Speaker 1: college player. It didn't work, obviously, but they need to 828 00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,960 Speaker 1: do something like that. A tackle who could maybe play 829 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,279 Speaker 1: guard right away, but could be a tackle for a while. Um, 830 00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,000 Speaker 1: you know, just maybe one day replace one of these 831 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:53,560 Speaker 1: two tackles. All right, Okay, that's it. I completely I 832 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,319 Speaker 1: completely agree. I'll just say and I want to do 833 00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,960 Speaker 1: another question. But Brandon Knight, I've been saying since June, 834 00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,080 Speaker 1: Brandon Knight is who they want Terrence Steele to be. 835 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,640 Speaker 1: I think he's had He's had some bad moments, but 836 00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,480 Speaker 1: for the most part, I think he's been very capable, 837 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,000 Speaker 1: very solid. I don't think it would be it would 838 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,120 Speaker 1: be reckless to go into next year with him as 839 00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,000 Speaker 1: your only option behind the starting two. But I feel 840 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,360 Speaker 1: very good about him being a piece here for sure. 841 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,400 Speaker 1: I think for the most part, he has been impressive 842 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,960 Speaker 1: for an undrafted guy. I'd be happy to keep him 843 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,400 Speaker 1: around just but you know, I think they need to 844 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,480 Speaker 1: do more though. That's exactly why I say Dave that 845 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,280 Speaker 1: I would. I would. I think I might be okay 846 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,400 Speaker 1: with him being the swing tackle because I feel like 847 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,439 Speaker 1: there still would be a problem if you lose both 848 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,480 Speaker 1: tackles next year. But I feel like if you had Tyrn, 849 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,359 Speaker 1: or if you had Lyle and Brian and Brandon Knight 850 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,520 Speaker 1: had to be on the other side, I actually feel 851 00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,239 Speaker 1: like he'd probably be okay. If the rest of your 852 00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,239 Speaker 1: offensive line is intact, I feel like he'd probably be okay. 853 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,839 Speaker 1: And so that's where I'm like, and that's what you 854 00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:57,719 Speaker 1: need from a swing tackle. You need him to be 855 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,120 Speaker 1: cheap and you need him to be okay. And I 856 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,120 Speaker 1: think that's kind of what Brandon Knight is. And let's 857 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,280 Speaker 1: not forget what you swing tackle might be. Zack Martin. 858 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,640 Speaker 1: That might be your swing tackle from what he did 859 00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,080 Speaker 1: this year. I mean, so it didn't It just comes 860 00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,400 Speaker 1: back to your five best lineman. You know, do you 861 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,640 Speaker 1: have better backups at guard or or do you have 862 00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,520 Speaker 1: him at tackle? And I'm not sure that Brandon Knight 863 00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,160 Speaker 1: and again Derek. We could talk to his parents about 864 00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,560 Speaker 1: changing his name, but it is Brandon. If we could, 865 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,640 Speaker 1: we could. I think I'm going to call him, Okay, 866 00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,680 Speaker 1: call him and see. But I think he could be 867 00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,760 Speaker 1: a guard. I mean, he looks like like the body 868 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,600 Speaker 1: type for maybe a guard. But either way, I think 869 00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,560 Speaker 1: he's a good young prospect. I just don't think you 870 00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,120 Speaker 1: can give this offensive line the benefit of the doubt. 871 00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,360 Speaker 1: Like if these were if these were freak occurrences, that 872 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,920 Speaker 1: would be one thing. But this is the fifth year 873 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,840 Speaker 1: in a row that Tyrant has dealt with injuries that 874 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,600 Speaker 1: have forced him to miss multiple games. It's actually people 875 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,840 Speaker 1: forget about it, and it's not fair because they're not 876 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,319 Speaker 1: the same. But this is the second time Lyell has 877 00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,600 Speaker 1: basically missed the whole season. He was on IR for 878 00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,479 Speaker 1: the most the entirety of twenty sixteen with a toe 879 00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:06,600 Speaker 1: ligament problem. So and again that's not his fault. I'm 880 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,680 Speaker 1: not dogging him or calling him injury prone, but you 881 00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,760 Speaker 1: you just can't assume that these guys are gonna be okay. 882 00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,359 Speaker 1: You gotta do more. In my opinion, no, and I 883 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,319 Speaker 1: agree with that. I think the issue becomes you only 884 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,799 Speaker 1: got so much draft capital, and where does this fit 885 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,680 Speaker 1: in your in your list of priorities for this team 886 00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,760 Speaker 1: when you get to the draft, where does a swing 887 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,520 Speaker 1: tackle fall in that? And I don't know that it 888 00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,799 Speaker 1: falls high enough for you get somebody more capable than 889 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,200 Speaker 1: Brandon Knight. So we'll see. We'll have that conversation a 890 00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,160 Speaker 1: little later. I think that's a conversation with having Well 891 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,880 Speaker 1: just just know this though, that one more thing. You know, 892 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,440 Speaker 1: they've gotten their ass kicked twice against Washington. Okay, Washington's 893 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,640 Speaker 1: not a good football team. They're not They're four and seven, 894 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,080 Speaker 1: they're not good at all. But their defense is strong 895 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,160 Speaker 1: and it plays right into the weakness of the Cowboys 896 00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,160 Speaker 1: this year. They better fix that because those guys aren't 897 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,560 Speaker 1: going anywhere. And that's two matchups every single year. So 898 00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,120 Speaker 1: you can say, yeah, defense needs to be better, but 899 00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,279 Speaker 1: that offensive line was a problem, and they're gonna go 900 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,680 Speaker 1: up against Washington twice a year. You know, Philly's probably 901 00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,680 Speaker 1: gonna have a better defensive line as well, and you know, 902 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,200 Speaker 1: we'll see about the Giants. So I think it's more 903 00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,600 Speaker 1: of a priority than you think because they've lost two 904 00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,520 Speaker 1: football games this year because of it. I think that's 905 00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,319 Speaker 1: definitely a conversation worth having at a future time. All Right, 906 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,200 Speaker 1: we appreciate you guys, jon Us. We'll be back tomorrow. 907 00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,360 Speaker 1: We're gonna get into the Baltimore offense versus the Cowboys defense. 908 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,880 Speaker 1: To then for Nick Eatman, Dave Hellman, Amber Garcia. I 909 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:28,840 Speaker 1: am Derek Eigelton. This has been The Break live on 910 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:34,840 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. This has been a production 911 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,680 Speaker 1: of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.