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Speaker 1: This is the Talking Cowboys Break, streaming live on Dallas

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Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com and the officials Dallas Cowboys app Welcome

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Speaker 1: into the SWBC Mortgage Studio as we have a special

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Speaker 1: edition joint show of Cowboys Break and Talking Cowboys and

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Speaker 1: a special guest, Mike Marshall joining us today. Of course,

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Speaker 1: it's always nice to have you in here, Mike. Always

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Speaker 1: a special day when I'm on the podcast, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and when you get to be on it with Nick

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Speaker 1: Eatman and Derek Eagleton feel my favorite people. So much

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Speaker 1: of that sounds so disingenuous, just because just my voice,

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Speaker 1: I promise we're all very old school Valley Ranch. It's

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Speaker 1: been a while since you've been on the other side. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, and he had the old fights you want.

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Speaker 1: We've never really fought on the air. I can't even remember.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's some old breakers that probably can come

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Speaker 1: up with maybe one or too, but I don't ever remember. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they'll tweet it in, they'll tweet in. I can't even remember. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: maybe a while Michael Vick. Did anything happen with DeMarco

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Speaker 1: Murray at all? Ever? Did you guys agree on the

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Speaker 1: same points? No, not really we disagreed about DeMarco. Murray manted, DeMarco, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we weren't. We weren't hardcore on the opposite side. But

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Speaker 1: we don't have I didn't really say that either. We

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Speaker 1: don't have the drop today like a fistfight over Sean

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Speaker 1: Merriman versus DeMarcus Ware. No, we both. Actually, Derek will

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Speaker 1: tell you. When they drafted DeMarcus Ware, I went into

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Speaker 1: his office and I was not I didn't like that

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Speaker 1: not for Sean Merriman. I was like, you gotta get

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Speaker 1: Derek Johnson, Yeah, who just retired. Yeah, well no, he

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Speaker 1: just got relixed, right. I don't know if he retired yet,

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Speaker 1: he might retire. Well, could you all agree that Dez

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Speaker 1: caught it? Because it is official he did catch it,

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Speaker 1: as the Competition committee agreed on yesterday. I've got a

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Speaker 1: tattoo saying the exact thing, So so does Nick in

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Speaker 1: old English on his back. I just I mean, I'm

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Speaker 1: just glad that they finally said it, like we all

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Speaker 1: kind of knew it, but I mean, Nick, we all

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Speaker 1: had front row seats for it. Yeah, Um, so I

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Speaker 1: think we all kind of agreed that that that happened.

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Speaker 1: But it's good that they finally got around to saying,

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Speaker 1: you know what actually happening about Calvin Johnson's Actually that

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Speaker 1: was the report I heard, was that that both of

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Speaker 1: those instances were agreed unanimously to have actually been killed.

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Speaker 1: But what I want to know is what is the

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Speaker 1: rule now? Like? What what? What are they gonna say?

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Speaker 1: I don't know to every kind and that one is

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Speaker 1: I say yes to this one? Yeah? What about the

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Speaker 1: what about the Super Bowls? Are they all all those catches?

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Speaker 1: Do we replay the game? Can we just go up

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Speaker 1: there now? See that that's my biggest I know fans

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Speaker 1: can't care about it, but I've never really put a

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Speaker 1: bunch of stock in it because they weren't gonna win.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, they weren't gonna win the game. Yeah, great touchdown,

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Speaker 1: take the lead. They weren't gonna stop Aaron Rodgers. Now,

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Speaker 1: I would love to see it, just like I want

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Speaker 1: to see the nineteen ninety four championship game after the

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Speaker 1: p I should have been called on Dion. I want

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Speaker 1: to see, you know, the Cowboys last five minutes, but

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Speaker 1: I don't think they would have won that game, and

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Speaker 1: I don't think they would have beaten in Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: in Green Bay. Do I get my TV that I

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Speaker 1: threw my remote straight through? Do I get that back now?

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Speaker 1: Or it happened? What happened? I got I threw my

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Speaker 1: remote at the TV whenever they said no catch, you

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Speaker 1: could definitely happened. You're that guy. What happened hit the

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Speaker 1: corner of it wasn't that bad. It wasn't that bad.

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Speaker 1: I got a funny. In other word, there's but you

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Speaker 1: can still needed an upgrade anyway. It's not okay. There

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Speaker 1: you go. Well, you know, and there is kind of

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Speaker 1: a Nikkiatman Derek Eagleton curse because they've been here for

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Speaker 1: a very long time. You can neither of them have

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Speaker 1: seen NFC championship. We have not, and they've been close.

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Speaker 1: But until these guys, we've been close. I'm here now.

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Speaker 1: It's fine. Pretty sure. We were closed two years ago.

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Speaker 1: that's just it's Aaron Rodgers. It's not so much to

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that's someone would the goat that nineteen seasons

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Speaker 1: was more based on incentives. Now, do you create a

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Speaker 1: efficiency scoring points, wins, things like that that the team

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Speaker 1: if the offense is clicking and Dez still is sixty

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Speaker 1: are you willing to pay him sixteen million dollars that's

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Speaker 1: my thirteen games. Yeah, that's a masking him. Yeah, I'm good.

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Speaker 1: Every he's got. Okay, whatever he's got, you win thirteen.

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Speaker 1: And I think the main problem is Taylor brought it up.

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Speaker 1: The top. Three wilde receivers on this offense total seventeen

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Speaker 1: hundred yards and ten touchdowns. That's an Antonio Brown season. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and we got good seas in season. Yeah. And three

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Speaker 1: because they're they're running back, gets more touches anybody. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: he is a number one receiver, but defenses aren't treating

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Speaker 1: a threat as he used to be. They said it,

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Speaker 1: that's our problem. Not know is that kind of show, Nick,

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Speaker 1: is that's our problems. We'll see. Well, it's it's me, Nick,

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Speaker 1: Dave and Amber. Like it was, like I said, there's

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Speaker 1: thank you for that. You're welcome back. Yes, we have

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Speaker 1: our guys out at the Combine this week. That's why

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Speaker 1: Rob's not here, Brian's not here, of course, Dave isn't here. Kent.

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Speaker 1: Who else did we send out there? Jacob Jacob, Jacob

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Speaker 1: all Raven. Yes, so everyone's getting all that stuff. And

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Speaker 1: in fact, you know, we we think we'll probably talk

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Speaker 1: he is talking to Stephen again. So man, Stephen is

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Speaker 1: always talking out That's one thing that I that I

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Speaker 1: hope could get more solidified in the years that come on,

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Speaker 1: Like we do these Senior Bowls and the Combine is

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Speaker 1: those guys are playing defense out there, and that's why

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Speaker 1: we're sending so many people. They played defense for the

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Speaker 1: other people that are making sure that you don't get them. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And of course Garrett will speak this week, will be

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Speaker 1: Will that be the first time he's oken sense? No,

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Speaker 1: talked this off season, first time since they lost to

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Speaker 1: Nate Sudfeldt. Yeah, how could the Eagles respond to that?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. He adverted it out, Yeah, figured out.

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Speaker 1: So Garrett will be speaking. I'm sure that he will

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Speaker 1: happening next. I don't think so. I think I think

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Speaker 1: we're just in that awkward time before free agency starts,

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Speaker 1: it's it's easy to be vague. You know, look at

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Speaker 1: mean maybe this is my opinion, but it doesn't seem

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Speaker 1: whole lot and talks very openly about that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: You'll usually get much better information from Stephen Jerry because

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Speaker 1: I think they're probably much more involved in that obvious.

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Speaker 1: Not to say the coach isn't involved, but I think

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Speaker 1: I wonder how those dynamics work, Like, did they go

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Speaker 1: to him, go, Okay, we're gonna release this guy, We're

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Speaker 1: gonna start looking for this position. Are you cool with that? Like?

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Speaker 1: Is that is that what you head in mind? Because

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Speaker 1: these guys been thinking about it since year before last. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: You know. The fact is, and again I'm not I

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Speaker 1: don't know this because I'm not in those meetings, but

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Speaker 1: I would suspect it's very similar to some degree to

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Speaker 1: the same things we do. Like even though everybody he

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Speaker 1: guess there are times when Coach Garrett might have an

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Speaker 1: he can come from a lot of different points. And

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Speaker 1: they talk about it all the time and say they

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Speaker 1: have the kind of open, you know, open kind of

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Speaker 1: Stephen and Will and Jason to where they're all kind

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Speaker 1: so Jerry will make any kind of final decision where

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Speaker 1: there needs to be a tiebreak or whatever. But I

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Speaker 1: think they all probably collaborate into that and all bring

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Speaker 1: ideas to the table and then they kind of discussed

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Speaker 1: and figure outw they're gonna go. You look at Marion

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Speaker 1: Elly and he's real bag on his defense. Guys being orphans. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you see that happening a lot more free and the

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Speaker 1: coach with that coach Seriously, I knew that was gonna

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Speaker 1: get I knew that was coming. Nip that in the button.

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Speaker 1: That's what I would say, orphans, my ass, how about

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Speaker 1: let's win some games with some really good players, Like, well,

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Speaker 1: with the with the next man up. That thing doesn't work.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't did for the Eagles. It well, but it didn't.

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Speaker 1: It didn't work. Okay, it didn't work for the Cowboys. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so stop saying it and stop acting like it. And

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Speaker 1: I bet you it really didn't work for the Eagles,

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Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I think you could make that

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Speaker 1: Did they handle Jason Peters's replacement exactly the same, because

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys tried that with Chad Green and that he's

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Speaker 1: not next man up. Well, we know from a standpoint

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Speaker 1: most comfortable. That wasn't what they were doing necessarily all

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Speaker 1: up and started kind of going to what he did.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not going to say the Cowboys don't do that, right,

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Speaker 1: we just romo to dak right, all right? They obviously

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Speaker 1: they didn't change it up fast enough. I mean by

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Speaker 1: ahead and and put Byron Bell out there. But by

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Speaker 1: the end, I mean, the damage is done. That name

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Speaker 1: was already in their ring of honor. They were chiseling

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Speaker 1: it like literally going out. Yeah. Yeah, he was the

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Speaker 1: they did that like right after the game, like before

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Speaker 1: ceremony right was he got a bonus for that too,

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Speaker 1: didn't he? He He reached like ten sacks for the season

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Speaker 1: after that day because they had eight and one day. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: best day of his life. Yeah, no doubt, you're not

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Speaker 1: going You're not gonna have a better game than that. Ye,

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Speaker 1: So coaching customed that game, and I feel like that's

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Speaker 1: something we rarely have to say, Like in any sport.

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Speaker 1: I'm never like blaming on the coach, like play better,

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Speaker 1: you know, play better, I'll perform the guy across from you.

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Speaker 1: But man, you look back at that Atlanta game. I'll

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Speaker 1: remember that game for decade. But not to say I'm talking,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to talk out of both sides of

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Speaker 1: my mouth. But I don't think we can also allow

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Speaker 1: that game to paint the picture that they don't make adjustments,

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Speaker 1: because I think that's unfair as well. I think that

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Speaker 1: was a bad example. I mean, that was a bad

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Speaker 1: situation that they should have adjusted to a lot faster.

639
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Speaker 1: I think nine times out of ten they probably handled

640
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Speaker 1: it before. Before the season. I think you could have said,

641
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Speaker 1: give me your three most valuable players on the team,

642
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: and most people would probably have said Zeke, Sean Lee,

643
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: and Tyron Smith yep. I mean I think I think

644
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Speaker 1: most of the answers of those three. I don't know,

645
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: maybe Dad gets into that conversation just because but the

646
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Speaker 1: backup behind him, people were not very comfortable with what

647
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Speaker 1: they had seen two years ago. They played that whole

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Speaker 1: game without all three of them, and you know, and

649
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Speaker 1: I think most teams would have issues with that. I

650
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Speaker 1: know you don't say no excuses, but most teams would

651
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: have a problem with your three best players. But you know,

652
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, they had they had a better job of adjusting,

653
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: and they didn't. And so that's you know, the Eagles,

654
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Speaker 1: that's where the Eagles come in to play because their

655
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Speaker 1: coaches obviously did a good job throughout the playoffs. And yeah,

656
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Speaker 1: and that's the thing about the Eagles if you said

657
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Speaker 1: the same thing about them at the beginning of the season,

658
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Speaker 1: arguably three of their most important players, if not their

659
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: most important players, were also out. Lost their quarterback, they

660
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Speaker 1: lost their left tackle, and I would probably put Darren

661
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Speaker 1: Sproles in that that mixed because of what he provided

662
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Speaker 1: for them in veteran leadership. They also lost their linebacker,

663
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Speaker 1: who was a really good player on their defense. So

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Speaker 1: they lost some guys. There's probably other guys you can

665
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Speaker 1: point to say they're more important, but I know those two,

666
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: the quarterback and the left tackle, were definitely among their

667
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Speaker 1: top three most needed players. I want to know what

668
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: these new necessary. I was just gonna say, Mike, it

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Speaker 1: is now official. The Cowboys have announced their new hires

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Speaker 1: and coaching. There are ten coaches. Yes, wow. Yeah. Last Friday,

671
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Speaker 1: around the same time they announced that that they have

672
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Speaker 1: four compensatories, I was busy cheffing it up, so I

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Speaker 1: didn't really yeah, yeah, no, no, no, it was Friday.

674
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Speaker 1: It was Friday, Yeah, it was Friday. I want to

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Speaker 1: know these guys, now that they've been here for a minute,

676
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: if they come in and they go, why the hell

677
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: were you doing it that way? Paul Alexander's like, yeah, yeah,

678
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: I hope. So honestly, I hope it looks like fun.

679
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: I want to get to know Paul. I absolutely hope.

680
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Speaker 1: So that's to me, that's the beauty of bringing in

681
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Speaker 1: new players and new coaches every year, is because you

682
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: want people to come in to shake things up and say,

683
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Speaker 1: why are we all doing that? What made you think

684
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Speaker 1: that was the right idea? If for nothing else, it

685
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: might have been the right idea, but at least have

686
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: to voice that and have to justify it, rather than

687
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: just continuing to do what you do thinking, oh, yeah,

688
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: nobody's questioning we're doing the right things here, We're just

689
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: not winning now. I want people that come in and

690
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: question everything. Great point, because maybe Chris Richard has come

691
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: in and questioned Byron Jones position because now we're hearing

692
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Speaker 1: he's probably just going to be the cornerback that he

693
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: came here as well. I don't know is that I

694
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: don't know what we're hearing there. I hear he said

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Speaker 1: it's a work in progress. Obviously, the safeties that we

696
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Speaker 1: are are there, we're looking at between Cavan and Heath

697
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: and Exavier, those guys are there. But if we move

698
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: him down then obviously we're thin there and that becomes

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Speaker 1: a position of need if you will. It sounds like

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00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: when we're Stevens saying, it sounds pretty clear to me

701
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Speaker 1: that they're going to give it a shot with him

702
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: at cornerback. You've been saying, I know again for a

703
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: year that you think he's a better cornerback than safety.

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Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily agree. Obviously they agree with you on this,

705
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Speaker 1: and this is just because the time that he spent

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Speaker 1: the whole year you say that. You got to go

707
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: back to two years ago or three years ago, when

708
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: I was like, this guy is not a corner right safety.

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Speaker 1: And that was my point, Like when he played, when

710
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Speaker 1: he played some corner, I thought he was okay. I

711
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: was like, if that's my first round pick, and that's

712
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Speaker 1: what I'm getting at corner, moving to safety, I want

713
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Speaker 1: to see what he can do with safety, and now

714
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: it's like, let's move back to corner because obviously what

715
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Speaker 1: they got at safety, they if they feel like Jeff

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00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: Heath and Cavon Frazier and Xavier Woods are better options

717
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: as safety, that tells me a lot about what they

718
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: think about him as a safety. And that's nothing not

719
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Speaker 1: a knock on those guys as much as just to

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Speaker 1: say I don't think any of those guys are like

721
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Speaker 1: great safeties. I think they all had moments this last

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Speaker 1: year where you're like, Okay, I saw something pretty good

723
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Speaker 1: from them, But I think they're great safeties. I would

724
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Speaker 1: expect more out of my first round pick. You know,

725
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Speaker 1: I think that players like this also help you in

726
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Speaker 1: the free agency and the draft, when you know, if

727
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: a safety comes along that they can acquire, then obviously

728
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: it'll make more sense than to move him there. But

729
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: you get to the draft and you're sitting in the

730
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: second or third round and they had a great on

731
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: this corner wasn't a necessarily a high need, but it's there,

732
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: and this guy, we gotta take this guy. Maybe that

733
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: changes your position a little bit, and so players like that,

734
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: you're like, well, let's see what we need and then

735
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: where we can move them. That's not really great for

736
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Speaker 1: him long term because is where's his home? You know,

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00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: you kind of want want him to have a home.

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Speaker 1: But I think Steven said a lot in that quote

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Speaker 1: because he's basically saying, if we do that, we have

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Speaker 1: a need for safety. Ding ding ding ding ding. Christopher

741
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Speaker 1: Chard was where Seattle Chard was in Seattle and Seattle.

742
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Speaker 1: Don't start putting pieces together, man, don't start. We don't

743
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Speaker 1: know what the puzzle E supposes look like, So don't

744
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: start putting pieces. If you get you get a headline

745
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: that says, et come home, you've won. You've won. So

746
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: we're trying to get to. I love the position flex

747
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: stuff like, especially among the defensive backs. But tell me

748
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: where that guy's a first round talent? What position is

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00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: the first round talent? Yeah? I think you show me,

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00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: show me where it is. It's supposed to be a

751
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: tight ends guy, right, I think I know where it is.

752
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: It's a long jump. Yeah, I think that thout warrior. No,

753
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: maybe at some point, but no, I think I think

754
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 1: he jumped his way into the first first round literally,

755
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: and I think we're it. Nowhere Where do we put him?

756
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: You know? Where where do you play him? I think

757
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:09,919
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a nickel corner. He's gonna they play

758
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: nickel a ton So yeah, but where does he fit there?

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00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: Because I mean, obviously Xavier Woods did a lot of

760
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: nickel duty last year, and I don't think he was

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Speaker 1: bad at it. I mean, I don't know. Let me

762
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: have a better idea and that I just but the

763
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 1: piggyback rides have to end with with Byron Jones. And

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Speaker 1: that's that's why I think he wasn't a great safety,

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00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: Like he's just look at look at his frame. I

766
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: mean he looks like if he can get the cornerback

767
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: thing down, like he could be a good corner if

768
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: he struggled as a rookie, had a hard time covering

769
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Speaker 1: Jarvis Landry and that one Miami game and then it's like, okay,

770
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: moving back to safety. But I think tight ends killed us.

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00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Yeah, that was like his role for a

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Speaker 1: stretch of each season, and every time I saw a

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00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: tight end, I was like, where's Byron. Where's Byron? Oh no? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, Well, we're gonna take our final break here,

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Speaker 1: of your awesome tweets yesterday, Dave that we're just killing

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Speaker 1: what has been the most exciting or intriguing part that

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Speaker 1: you've heard from him? Oh? Good question. I don't know

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Speaker 1: the most. I don't know if anything's particularly exciting. I

836
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Speaker 1: think this whole offseason is just really intriguing. And Stephen

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Speaker 1: Jones kind of emphasize that just in the sense that like,

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Speaker 1: I'm heading into the next few weeks with the idea

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Speaker 1: that like anything seems like it's possible. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: whatever storyline you want to pick Dez Bryant. Is he

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Speaker 1: going to be on this team? I don't think the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys are committed to that at this point in time.

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00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: Orlando Scandrick, Are they going to try to move him

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Speaker 1: because of Byron Jones moving the corner? I think that's

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Speaker 1: totally possible. After what we've heard from Stephen Jones, it

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Speaker 1: just seems like you look across the roster, you know,

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Speaker 1: left guard, linebacker, whatever it is you want it to be.

848
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Speaker 1: With the exception of like quarterback and running back, I

849
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 1: feel like everything else is up in there error and

850
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,479
Speaker 1: the Cowboys haven't really been shy about admitting that. Um So,

851
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: what happened that thing yesterday? What's that? What was the

852
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: Scandrick news yesterday? People were very confused on Twitter, inflicting

853
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 1: reports there. Yeah, they're definitely conflicting reports about that thanks

854
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: to members of the Dallas media that I think we

855
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: need to chill out there, don't you think? Yeah? People

856
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: needed to I mean, no, okay, you know, to clarify.

857
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones never said the Cowboys were planning on trading

858
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: or cutting Orlando Scandering, but he did say, you know,

859
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: he did say, you know, that's something you take a

860
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: look at you know, you factor in the very likely,

861
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: the very likely possibility that Byron Jones is moving to

862
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: cornerback kind of gives you a glut of numbers. And

863
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: Orlando Scandrick is the one that stands out because it's

864
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: a contract, because of his age, because of his performance

865
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: down the stretch of last season, all of that stuff.

866
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 1: And then he was asked, you know, is trading him

867
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,240
Speaker 1: something you would consider? He said, you know, you always

868
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: want to consider trading somebody before you cut him. You

869
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: want to get something instead of nothing. Isn't necessarily specifically

870
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: referring to Scandrick, but I think it comes into play

871
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: when you're talking about, you know, the youth movement in

872
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 1: the defensive backfield. And then you know, I know, Orlando

873
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: Scandrick came out and he said something Justina Anderson this

874
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: morning along the lines of wanting to handle the situation right. So,

875
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: like I said, did Stephen explicitly say any of that,

876
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: Not really, But I think if you read the tea

877
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: leaves and read the writing on the wall, it's certainly

878
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: something that could come to pass, you know, depending on

879
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: what the Cowboys do in free agency in the draft. Hey,

880
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 1: David's your it's your boss. Mike. Here a quick question.

881
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: I saw you tweet after Hey Michael, Hey David, after

882
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 1: the Witnes event that your mind had completely changed on

883
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: Steven's comments about Dez. To me, every every time he's

884
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: doubling down on the comments, it feels like he's writing

885
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: like a concession speech that's going to be the opening

886
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: of training camp. When we're all sitting there and he's like, well,

887
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 1: it was a tough decision. And he said that word

888
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: or that phrase about twenty five times. Now, do you

889
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 1: feel like that what flips your opinion of the situation? Yeah? No,

890
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 1: I mean you're totally right. I mean he said it

891
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: in January at the Senior Bowl, and he said it,

892
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 1: he said it here, he said it last week at

893
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,439
Speaker 1: Jason Witten's the ceremony for Jason Witten's collegiate Award. He's

894
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: said it at least three, if not four times at

895
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: this point. And you know, maybe I was willfully not

896
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: listening to it the first couple of times, but when

897
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: he has several chances to clarify what he means and

898
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: he kind of keeps doubling down on it, that you know,

899
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: this is a business, this is a tough decision we

900
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: have to make. These are things we have to look at.

901
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: Like I said, I can't say to a certainty that

902
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: it's going to happen. But you know, as firmly as

903
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: I thought Dez wasn't going anywhere a month and a

904
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: half ago, I'm a lot less confident now. And you know,

905
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: knowing what we know about Stephen Jones, you know he

906
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: was willing to cut DeMarcus Ware. They obviously were willing

907
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: to move on from Tony Romo when it looked like

908
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: the right situation. It doesn't seem like something he would

909
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: be afraid to do. And I think that the Cowboy's

910
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: salary cap isn't a good enough situation right now that

911
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 1: it wouldn't kill him to do it either. So can

912
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: I say for a certainty that's going to happen. No,

913
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 1: But I'm at the point now where I wouldn't be surprised. Dave,

914
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: tell us how the rest of the week is going

915
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: to go, Like, obviously the shows that you and Brian

916
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: and Dane are going to do, and then Jason today, Jerry,

917
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: we think this weekend? I mean, yeah, so well, I

918
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 1: think I think I'm I'm with our other colleague Kate

919
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,439
Speaker 1: Heropolis from the Dallas Morning News. Right now, I think

920
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: we can probably comfortably say Stephen Jones has done talking

921
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: for the week, because we got him for a half

922
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: hour yesterday and we just talked to him for another

923
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: ten minutes today. I'm not sure what else we could

924
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: have to ask him, But Jason Garrett talks at two

925
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: eastern today, so one o'clock y'all's time, so we'll be

926
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: sure to get you know, I'm hoping for some updates

927
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: on the coaching staff. Jason obviously hasn't really spoken publicly

928
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: since the season ended, so he goes at two eastern,

929
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: one Central, and then every night for the rest of

930
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: the week, myself, Brian brought us in. Dane Brugler will

931
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: have an episode of Draft Show. I think we're aiming

932
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: for five thirty eastern today. We'll be sure to keep

933
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: people updated on the times because it's kind of fluid,

934
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: and then we're going to cap the whole week off,

935
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: hopefully with a sit down with Jerry Jones on Saturday

936
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: afternoon sometime. So that's kind of the schedule that we're

937
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: expecting to follow. But the fun thing about events like

938
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: the Combine is that all kind of changes hourly, but

939
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: that's what it's looking at right now. So so far,

940
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: there's been mostly information around the Cowboys. It's come from

941
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: Stephen and obviously you'll get Jason a day. Take me

942
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 1: to the other side of the coin, the combine part.

943
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: What's happening up there from the standpoint of the eligible

944
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: players are they are they doing way in today? What

945
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: kind of stuff is happening from that standpoint? Yeah, it's

946
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: kind of you know, I always forget that there's kind

947
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: of a wait for that part. Like I mean, the

948
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: players are they're going through their measurements and their their

949
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,280
Speaker 1: way ins and their MRIs and their medicals and stuff

950
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: like that. But unlike the Senior Bowl, none of that's

951
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: public here, so not we're not privy that I know.

952
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,879
Speaker 1: Charles Robinson from Yahoo and a couple other reporters who

953
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 1: are well connected are tweeting out some of that information,

954
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: but there's nothing for us to do. And then I

955
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 1: believe the player interviews begin in earnest tomorrow morning, so

956
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 1: you'll be hearing from you know, it's all sorted out

957
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: by position group. I think I want to say defense

958
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: starts first, and so we'll be hearing from all those guys,

959
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: and that's that's when Brian brought us. Obviously shines he'll

960
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: be in thick of all that starting tomorrow, but right

961
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: now it's mainly coaches and general managers kind of given

962
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,760
Speaker 1: their state of the unions. And that's been going since

963
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 1: nine o'clock and we'll keep going until about four or so. Dave,

964
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: can you do me a favor if somebody gives you

965
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: a or offers you a T shirt, where you just

966
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: take it, no promises, only if it's good. Okay, Yeah,

967
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: I don't feel probably, I don't feel the least bit

968
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: guilty about that. It was a crummy T shirt. Well,

969
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 1: have fun hanging with your Pittsburgh pals. And are we done.

970
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: I got a couple of your time. Oh okay, so

971
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: you've got time, Dave, You've got time for me? Hey,

972
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: I'm not doing Yeah, I'm walking back to the convention

973
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: center right now. He's not busy. Which which position or

974
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: is there a player? Is there a guy you're looking

975
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: forward to talking to and who has like the most

976
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: to lose most a game of the guys that are

977
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: at the combine, guy, I'm looking forward to talking to

978
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: the most U I mean, I sound like a broken

979
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: record if you listen to the Draft show. But I

980
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: just Lovedrowin James. I think he's a beast. I think

981
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: he can play five different positions. I think he's gonna

982
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: jump out of the gym. And that's the thing that

983
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: bumps me out is I want the Cowboys to draft

984
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: him at nineteen, but I think by the end of

985
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: this week that's gonna be a pipe dream. So that's

986
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: the guy that I'm really looking forward to most to lose.

987
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: I was, you know, we were kind of talking about that.

988
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,439
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, you think back to like last year,

989
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,919
Speaker 1: like you're Joe Mixon's Like, there's usually a guy with

990
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: a troubled history who's year combine what's that Ruben Foster

991
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 1: last year? Yeah, Ruben Foster is another one. Yeah, we

992
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: were wondering who's gonna get in trouble with the medical

993
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: at this year. But there really there isn't like a

994
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 1: high profile guy who kind of fits that criteria this year.

995
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: And if there is one, I would say it's probably

996
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield. I mean, you know, every you know, half

997
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: of people love him and think he's a top ten pick.

998
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: The other half think he's a punk I'm pretty short

999
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: to play quarterback, so I just like you, you know, yeah,

1000
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: I mean that's really apt. I hate to admit it,

1001
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: but coming from um. So, he's the guy that I

1002
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: think a lot of people are going to have a

1003
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: close eye on, just to see how he deals with

1004
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: the scrutiny and the questions and if he works out,

1005
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 1: how well does he do and stuff like that. It's

1006
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 1: not really very sexy for the Cowboys because I don't

1007
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: anticipate they're going to spend a first round pick on

1008
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: a quarterback. But oh but having those picks go earlier

1009
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: than the Cowboys helps, right and do well. I'm starting

1010
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: to think five quarterbacks are going in the first round

1011
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: and that can only be good news for Cowboys in

1012
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: terms of pushing other players down the board. So that

1013
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: would be great. I hope Baker does Boston, Yeah exactly.

1014
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: I mean that Cowboys fans have to be pushing for

1015
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: all these quarterbacks to do well, Mark Jackson included, so

1016
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: that hopefully they intrigue somebody and then get up in

1017
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: in the first round of ahead of nineteen that helps

1018
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, or or do you want them to fall

1019
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: so that somebody behind the Cowboys wants to trade with them. Okay,

1020
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 1: I don't want to trade back. I want to take

1021
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: the pick, and I want to take a pick that's

1022
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: worthy of being up. That was talking, not Jason a

1023
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: wheel and deal, because because the coaching staff right now,

1024
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: like it's like on the ice that's cracked, like they

1025
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: can just fall through. They hear it cracking, right, they

1026
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: can hear it. So they need they need somebody that

1027
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 1: can help them. Yesterday. Yeah, next, what if I told

1028
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: you that you could get a starting left guard at

1029
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: pick twenty six? And yeah? Maybe. I mean, all I'm

1030
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: saying is I want and I we had this conversation.

1031
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: I think it was last week on the show. I

1032
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 1: want more catalytic players, particularly for this defense. And my

1033
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: fear is that the more you fall back, the more

1034
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: you get good players rather than players that make huge

1035
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: impacts like DeMarcus Now the last time they traded back

1036
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: in the first round. Yeah, yeah, that's not a catalytic player.

1037
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: That's a that's a really good player. And it's a center.

1038
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 1: Like he doesn't change games, does he? Yeah, unless he's

1039
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: screw something. Yeah, he's changed a few games. I mean, yeah,

1040
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: you say whatever you want. I don't know I'm I'm open.

1041
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: I think the main thing and that's you know, Brian

1042
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: repeats himself all the time on the Draft show, but

1043
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: I think any Cowboys fan you're picking in the middle

1044
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,919
Speaker 1: of the round, this isn't a particularly you know, top

1045
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 1: heavy first round, I think, just be open for anything.

1046
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 1: I think there's about eighteen different directions they could go,

1047
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: and all of them make at least some sense. So

1048
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to broaden my horizons. Really, the only

1049
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: thing that would absolutely stun me is if the Cowboys

1050
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 1: draft a quarterback in the first round. I think anything

1051
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 1: else is on the table. What's done me as well,

1052
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: I think most probably would be stunned by that. Well,

1053
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 1: thank you, Dave. That was just excellent insight and new

1054
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: Thanks Games. We have a beautiful picture of you, Yive'll

1055
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: texted to you. You'll love it. Yeah, I'm probably with

1056
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: like a tool. That's fine. I appreciate that. Y'all. Have

1057
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Speaker 1: a great rest of your week. Thanks for calling, and

1058
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: stay tuned for more updates. All right, I'll be safe,

1059
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: keep doing a good job for you. When I first

1060
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: got here, I thought that stood for at hellman defensive coordinator.

1061
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: That's what he thinks he is sometimes that's what he thinks.

1062
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:30,399
Speaker 1: He is more offensive, actually offensive coordinated, that's a lot

1063
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 1: more apt. Yeah, yeah, well it's defensive to hear that

1064
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: Derek thinks that we would just survive without Travis Frederick here.

1065
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: That's not what I said. You're not understanding. More point.

1066
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is it's the difference between its different level. Guy.

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00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: It's the difference between having a really good player and

1068
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: having a player that is all pro caliber that changes games. Like,

1069
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: think about the defense right now, other than Sean Lee,

1070
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: can you name another player maybe you could put DeMarcus

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00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: in that in that category now, but a player that

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00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: in crunch time of games everybody that he's gonna make,

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00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: he's going to make a play for you to get

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00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: you a win. I don't think they got a lot

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00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: of players, all right, But but I mean I think

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00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: you're also forgetting that, you know, on the drive to

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00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: beat Detroit and I'm just throwing something out there, you

1078
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: know in the playoff game where their safety comes right

1079
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: out here and Frederick's like shift this, this move here,

1080
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: running back goes here and then boom, and you know,

1081
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: like that changed the game. We didn't see it because

1082
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: it looked normal. But I mean he's making Are we

1083
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 1: sure it happened? I'm not sure. I'm just saying he

1084
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: makes the line calls. You know, I haven't seen you

1085
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: don't You don't see Romo? Right? Okay, round like the

1086
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: ball snapped over his head. I mean the snaps are there.

1087
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: He's good. I think he's Let's let's assume. Let's assume

1088
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: you're right about Travis Frederick. That doesn't mean that if

1089
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: you drop back to twenty three and you get yourself

1090
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: a guard, that that guard's gonna have that same kind

1091
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: of impact, especially on an offensive offensive line. By the way,

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00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: they already has a great guyn that that if we're

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00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: gonna call Travis that good, right, that means on his

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00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: right side he's got Travis, and on his left side

1095
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: he's got tiring. Think Dave's points gonna make that big

1096
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: of a Dave's point was they traded back in the

1097
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 1: first round and got a franchise, a cornerstone player, so

1098
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: you know, and they they've traded before and gotten too

1099
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: Marcus Lawrence early in the second so they there are

1100
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 1: success stories about trading back. There's some bad stories about trade.

1101
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 1: There's bad stories about trading up. There are bad stories

1102
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 1: about standing where you aren't picking. I mean it happens

1103
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: in all three all three ways, they have been good

1104
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: and bad. There's good and bad. Right, So I think

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00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: David Irving can be a game changer. I think that's

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00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: gonna be a real time can be. The question is

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00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: just how consistently can play like He's just not been

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00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: a consistent player, but he certainly has made enough plays

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00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,439
Speaker 1: where you plays everywhere. Yeah, I don't think that Jeff

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00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 1: Heath is that guy. I mean you're talking about crunch time.

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00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: Jeff Heath has come in crunch time. I will remind

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00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:46,479
Speaker 1: you of the Raiders game. It's Jeff. Yeah. They also

1113
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: allowed that drive all the way down there to where

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00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: they're about. So then Jeff jeffe to me again, is

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00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: a really good player. Well, let me take that. I

1116
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: think Jeff he is a good player. I think Jeff

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00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 1: Heath is a good player, right. I don't think Jeff

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00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: heat is a great player. I don't think Jeff Heath

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00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: is the kind of player that that defenses have to

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00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 1: game playing around. I don't think he's that kind of player.

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00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 1: And that's more. What I'm talking about is that player

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00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: that defenses have to go into I mean, offenses have

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00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: to go into a game and say we need to

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00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: account for this guy. I don't think the Cowboys have

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00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 1: enough of those players on this team. Yeah, and it's

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00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: not likely you're gonna get that into the nineteenth over

1127
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: maybe not maybe, but let's assume this were a second

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Speaker 1: If all those five of those quarterbacks get selected before nineteen,

1129
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: now there is a chance that maybe you get Because

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00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: what did Day say the other day? I don't I

1131
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: don't find I mean, I don't obviously do the work

1132
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: of getting ready for the draft, but I think he

1133
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 1: said there were what seventeen maybe seventeen or eighteen guys

1134
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: that have first round grades in this draft. So you

1135
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 1: now put five of those guys that maybe don't have

1136
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: first round grades that are quarterbacks in that mix. That

1137
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: drops a few guys down are that still have first

1138
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: round grades that will be available for you at nineteen

1139
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: you're gonna get. That's all I'm saying is if you're

1140
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: getting a first round grade guy, it's the difference between

1141
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: that guy and say a Byron Jones, who you got

1142
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: in the first round but wasn't a first round grade.

1143
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: Why for Frederick Right, they were out of first round guys. Right,

1144
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: that's exactly round starts here. It's not gonna change in

1145
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: ten picks from now. There you go. We're comfortable with

1146
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: all these guys. We've got two or three names back here.

1147
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 1: Let's go there at nineteen. Huh about Taco. I don't

1148
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: think Taco was the first round grade. He wasn't a

1149
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: first round Pretty sure he wasn't a first round he wasn't.

1150
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 1: I mean most drafts are what they're like, seventeen eighteen, nineteen. Yeah,

1151
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: first round grade guys in a draft. I think they're

1152
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: gonna get a first round grade. Dude. I don't know

1153
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,720
Speaker 1: if that's Derwin James. I don't know if that's Roquan Smith.

1154
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's you know them, i'd be so.

1155
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: People don't like Roquan for some reason. I've read a

1156
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: lot of stuff where they they say he's like playing

1157
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: outside of the scheme, he's freestyle and like who twenty? Yeah,

1158
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: I mean little light, But don't you think you'll gain

1159
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: I mean you'll gain some weight though, yeah he will.

1160
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: And there and there are linebackers in today's NFL that

1161
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: are doing really well that are what you'd call undersized

1162
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: guys that can just fly around like this is a

1163
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: guy he's expected this week to run into what four

1164
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: or fives? Yeah, so very instinctive. If he's got instincts

1165
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 1: any extremely fast for a linebacker. Now you got a

1166
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: guy that's covering the entire field, sideline and sideline. That's

1167
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: valuable at whatever weight it is, right, and if you

1168
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,320
Speaker 1: can tackle, it's sure tackle. That's a that's a good player.

1169
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 1: What is Edmund's way, Tremaine, I don't know. He's bigger.

1170
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 1: I think he's definitely taller. Two fifty. Yeah, exact drop

1171
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: down in nineteen huh, No doubt they're gonna get a

1172
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: good player. Though. Nineteen nineteen you can get a good player,

1173
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 1: no doubt. But you get into the twenties, and I

1174
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,240
Speaker 1: think that does change a little bit. I mean personally,

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00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: I think that I know it's around here. It's never

1176
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: too early to talk draft, but the team and what

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00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 1: they have and what they need is still going to change.

1178
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: I mean, that's why free agency always trumps it now,

1179
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: because you know that they may get they may get players.

1180
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: No one's gonna be talking about Durwin James, assuming, assuming,

1181
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 1: assuming they are semi aggressive in free agency because the

1182
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: mL lately has been let's sit back and wait and

1183
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 1: see what false to us, which means that by draft,

1184
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 1: maybe they don't have those those kinds of play. Because

1185
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: that's a great point because you look at last year's

1186
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: draft and free agency, just in particular, you had all

1187
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 1: these guys that were dbs that were on you know,

1188
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: question marks, and you didn't know. So at this point

1189
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: last year, you don't know what they're going to do.

1190
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: And then they went so aggressive in the draft with

1191
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: that saturating just getting those young secondary players. So yeah,

1192
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: it was pretty clear once we finished half of what

1193
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: they were doing the secondary they were going young. Yeah.

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00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: I like what they've done in terms of committing to

1195
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: the draft, not spending big money on free agents, and

1196
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 1: a lot of it has to do with cleaning up

1197
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: their cap sheet because it was a mess. But we're

1198
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: almost clear that, yeah, we're almost back in the game

1199
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: where you have money to spend. I've said it before.

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00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: If you go look at the free agency, you look

1201
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,280
Speaker 1: at the history of free agency, about every three years

1202
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 1: they make some splashes. You know that they sit back,

1203
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: they saw the like it's about time, ye' about it's

1204
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: definitely the time for that, because like you said, it's

1205
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: the bookkeeping, it's not you know, So what do you

1206
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: feel like it was the last big splash? I mean,

1207
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: I understand. I just remember the day that they signed

1208
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 1: like five guys in one day. But I know they

1209
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: went that day. But I think that they've gone it.

1210
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 1: They've gone like twenty fourteen. I mean yeah, I mean

1211
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: that they weren't really competing against anyone with that. It

1212
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: was just do they want to make the decision? And

1213
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, but I'm talking about like really

1214
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: going up the thrown thrown and then they do money

1215
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: out there for that un wise. Yeah, I mean, it's

1216
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: it's time, though. I think they can do a few things,

1217
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: but it all starts with Zack, Martin and Lawrence and

1218
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: Dez if they can figure out some situations where they

1219
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: can be aggressive. The reason why I think it's time

1220
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: is mainly because I think they got the kind of

1221
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: team right now that you add the right kind of

1222
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: veterans to this mix, you've got the base. They have

1223
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,439
Speaker 1: the base on this team to have a really, really

1224
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 1: good team. I'm talking a Super Bowl contending team. I

1225
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: think with the addition of a couple pieces, I think

1226
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: you can take your team from being good to a

1227
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: real perennial because bowl. If you look at Philadelph tender

1228
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: and add the guys that they added, the argument could

1229
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,959
Speaker 1: be made that the most valuable person they added wasn't

1230
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 1: really even this year, but a couple of years before

1231
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: with Malcolm Jenkins. And I think that Cowboys look at

1232
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: that scenario and see who else is out. They were

1233
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 1: aggressive in free agency and even during the season this year,

1234
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: they were aggressive, like they kept throwing more players at it.

1235
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: And I think the Cowboys have that kind of team

1236
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 1: where if they're aggressive right now, Like the question is

1237
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: financially are they are they in a position where they

1238
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: can be aggressive like that. But I think if they

1239
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,919
Speaker 1: feel like they are, I think they got the base

1240
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: to be able to think the corps there. Yeah, the

1241
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: reasons you were nine and seven are fixable, right, they're injuries.

1242
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: You had rookies playing a lot of places. One of

1243
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: your best players in miss six games. You were nine

1244
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,479
Speaker 1: and seven with as Nick said, three of your most

1245
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: important players missing significant time during the season. You still

1246
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: came out nine and seven. Yeah, you've got a good base.

1247
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: Now can you add the right mix in to be

1248
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 1: able to take you over the hump, and I think

1249
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: they're at that point where there's a good compelling case

1250
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 1: can be made that if they spend them money the

1251
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: right way this offseason, they can put themselves in a a

1252
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: position to be that kind of team. What a great

1253
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: point to end us on today. What a positive. I

1254
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: just like to do what I can do, what I

1255
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: can do. Hi. No, Well, thank you guys, thank you William,

1256
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: what you Dave Hellman for joining us today, Douglas all

1257
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: making it happen on this crazy combine week. Stay tuned

1258
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 1: to all the draft shows. As they said that, we'll

1259
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: be coming out every night around five thirty Eastern time,

1260
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: four thirty Central time. Just stay tuned to Dallas Cowboys

1261
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: dot com for everything. We're two weeks away from free agency.

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Speaker 1: Loss to talk about. Thanks for joining today. Worst thing

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Speaker 1: they make that argument, YEP, I think I think this

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Speaker 1: is something's been happening.