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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we have finally arrived at

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Speaker 1: the best weekend of football of the year. That's right,

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Speaker 1: it's Divisional Round weekend. And to celebrate, to preview the

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Speaker 1: best games of the year, we had to get on

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Speaker 1: the best guests, and we decided to do it a

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Speaker 1: little differently than we've done our preview shows in the past.

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Speaker 1: We have one special guest for each game, and in

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Speaker 1: some of the games it's guys who cover the team closely.

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Speaker 1: But for our first game, and let's be real, it's

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Speaker 1: the best game, it's Bills and Ravens. I had to

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Speaker 1: get on my favorite football mind in the business. It's

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Speaker 1: Brian Baldinger of NFL Network and so many other places,

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Speaker 1: including my radio. When I'm driving around, I hear you there.

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Speaker 1: To welcome Baldy, appreciate you coming on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my pleasure. Greg.

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Speaker 3: Good to be with you. It is your time of

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Speaker 3: the year. It is the marquee game of this coming weekend,

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Speaker 3: so let's dive into it. It's a rematch game. As

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Speaker 3: we know going back to Week four, was it pretty

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Speaker 3: for the Bills. But as everybody knows, I mean, these

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Speaker 3: games can be different week to week, So let's get

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Speaker 3: into it.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's funny you mentioned that right off the top.

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Speaker 1: Let's just get let's go. Then what do you think

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Speaker 1: you can learn from that game, because you know, I

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Speaker 1: went back and it was probably the Raven's best game

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Speaker 1: of the season for the first twelve weeks of the season.

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Speaker 1: Or what do you think specifically that that does have

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Speaker 1: some carryover should give Ravens fans confidence in what the

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Speaker 1: matchup worked for them that time around.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean they just finished off the Steelers, right, Greg,

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Speaker 3: So they played the Steelers three times in eight weeks,

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Speaker 3: Like you can't know what I don't even know if

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Speaker 3: that's ever happened before, but three times division opponim. First

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Speaker 3: of all, you see him on all the breakdowns all

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Speaker 3: week long. You know that it's Derek Henray and Lamar

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Speaker 3: Jackson run show.

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Speaker 2: You know everything. You can go out there.

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Speaker 3: To your walkthroughs and you can have all your car

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Speaker 3: drill and you know that we got a readoption coming

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Speaker 3: or we've got a misdirection coming off the readops. Like

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Speaker 3: the Steelers actually, like they have not seen it these

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Speaker 3: two guys before. They seen them three times in eight weeks.

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Speaker 3: They you know, the touchdown by Derek Henry for forty

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Speaker 3: four yards. I mean there's Patrick Queen, Mika Fitzpatrick, and

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Speaker 3: Shaun Elliott all waiting for Lamar to go carry the

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Speaker 3: ball like they're completely removed from the formation us to

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Speaker 3: go Like, you can't make those mistakes, and so what's

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Speaker 3: the carryover? So you know, first play the game, Week four,

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Speaker 3: I mean, Derek Henry goes eighty seven yards on the

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Speaker 3: very first play of the Ravens offense. It's a wham,

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Speaker 3: patrickcard willams at Oliver and Dereck Henry's gets an alley

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Speaker 3: and literally everybody kind of froze and he ran by everybody,

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Speaker 3: and so you go, well, that can't happen again. Okay,

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Speaker 3: that's I mean, you could start there. You go, you

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Speaker 3: up the longest play from scrimmage the Ravens all season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a brutal, tone setting game. And if

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Speaker 1: you remember back then, if you're watching, you know the

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Speaker 1: Ravens started off with a couple of losses. So these

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Speaker 1: games early in the season felt big to climb out

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Speaker 1: of that hole. And I do think that gets to

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Speaker 1: what the Bills defense needs to be at their best

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Speaker 1: a Bills fan like our producer Eric is that and

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Speaker 1: you can tell me if I'm wrong. This Sean McDermott

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Speaker 1: very well coached. They're fundamentally sound. I think they're better

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Speaker 1: not a big defense just pounds wise, like they try

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Speaker 1: got a couple of you know, ridiculous guards in terms

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Speaker 2: They don't have enough fat guys.

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Speaker 3: Is what you say they don't is three hundred and

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Speaker 3: I mean, he gets swallowed up pretty fast now, now

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Speaker 3: I was just looking at his feet just getting to traffic,

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Speaker 3: like he still has very light feet for a guy

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Speaker 3: that big. It's just it's a rare combination. Well then

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Speaker 3: you're worried about Lamar and anybody that saw Lamar last

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Speaker 2: He's significantly lighter this year than he was.

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Speaker 3: He wanted to be faster, he wanted to be quicker,

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Speaker 3: and that's what he's been.

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Speaker 2: He's been both. And so that's the dilemma is at

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Speaker 3: And it could be out of a one back, you know,

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Speaker 3: the ball is going to be put into the belly

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Speaker 2: And it's a conundrum.

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Speaker 3: You can walk through it, you can plug all the gaps,

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Speaker 3: he can go a long way. So there's a balancing act.

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Speaker 3: But the big thing is you've got to get a

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Speaker 3: lot of bodies at the line of scrivage and not

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Speaker 3: let him get started. The problem is Lamar and if

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and when he does drop back to pass. I'm

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Speaker 1: curious what you've seen out of the Bill's pass rush.

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Speaker 1: I thought von Miller had a good game last week.

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Speaker 1: You know, Greg Russo, we're talking about physicality. He's a

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Speaker 3: I mean, I thought von Miller could be a real

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Speaker 3: X factor, But I watched Rosie Garden go up against

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Speaker 2: You have any problem at all now? They helped fit shift.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they did some things that would be a

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Speaker 2: But I thought he played really well against TJ.

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Speaker 3: I've always I've been in not constant contact, but I've

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Speaker 3: been around von a lot. I do a sack summing

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Speaker 3: It was interesting. I was up in Rochester two summers

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Speaker 3: asking him, like, do you do sort of like a

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Speaker 3: not really, he goes all those guys you know are

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Speaker 2: Rushers in the wrong way.

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Speaker 3: What I really try to convey to them is the moment,

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Speaker 3: when is the moment where you've got to win? And

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Speaker 3: I feel like von Miller unders he's one of the

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Speaker 3: third down, it's the fourth quarter. We got to get

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Speaker 3: off the field. The games in the bounce super Bowl

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Speaker 3: Von constantly preaches that to his guys, and so I

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Speaker 2: You know, can those guys.

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Speaker 3: Win in a moment against against the Ravens when they

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Speaker 1: I love that point you make about von Miller, who's

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Speaker 1: one of the all time greats that I've had a

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Speaker 1: so when he first entered the league, throughout the Broncos,

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Speaker 1: unlike anyone else. And that's what this team needs to have.

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Speaker 1: They've been through it, they've been to the playoffs. These

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Speaker 1: Their franchises wanted to get over the hump. And it's

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Speaker 1: gonna take guys like Von Miller, like a Matt Milana,

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Speaker 1: who I thought looked really good last week, Veterans who

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Speaker 1: When you look at the secondary for the Bills before

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Speaker 1: Damar Hamlin has had a good season. You know Taylor

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Speaker 1: but maybe not coming off his best game ever last week,

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Speaker 1: at least to my eye. If Zay Flowers plays in

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Speaker 1: if if he will or not, is that an area

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Speaker 1: you think Baltimore can get after there? It's the safety

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Speaker 1: is maybe getting cheating up to the line of scrimmage

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Speaker 3: Well, before I answer that, Greg, I just want to

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Speaker 3: make one point about both these quarterbacks, and I was

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Speaker 3: talking to actually Warren Sapp about it this weekend at

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Speaker 3: hula Ball, and what you don't want either Lamar or

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Speaker 3: Josh to be able to do is it get vertical

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Speaker 3: you want them. That's to your point about Matt Mallana

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Speaker 3: pulls the ball from Derek Henry and he's and he's

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Speaker 3: going east west, you want him to keep going east west.

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Speaker 2: go vertical. They're so good and.

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Speaker 3: They're so hard to tackle them, like that's when you

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Speaker 3: get big chunk yards.

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Speaker 2: But if you can flatten them, because Sap was.

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Speaker 3: Telling me about playing Mike Vic and you never wanted

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Speaker 3: kept it, you wanted them to be able to flatten.

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Speaker 3: And that's where speed Derek Brooks back in the Tampa days,

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Speaker 3: that's where the speed like flatten him to the sideline.

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Speaker 3: Don't never let him think that they can get vertical

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Speaker 3: just wanted to make clear. But you know Lamar I

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Speaker 3: said this a couple of weeks ago. Greg I said,

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Speaker 3: Lamar might miss a pass, but he doesn't miss a read.

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Speaker 3: And it's it's It's one of those you know games

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Speaker 2: You go to some of you go to the kicking

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Speaker 3: are great and it's an honor and nobody's gonna, you know,

436
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Speaker 3: not accept that award, but everybody's chasing mahomes and super

437
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Speaker 3: Bowls and so one of them is just going to

438
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Speaker 3: be left behind, going we got to wait another year.

439
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Speaker 3: And it's just to your point, it's going to be

440
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Speaker 3: incredibly disappointing for whichever one loses. And you know, it's

441
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,840
Speaker 3: always more than just a quarterback, but so much is

442
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Speaker 3: put on both shoulders, especially if it comes down to

443
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Speaker 3: a final drive.

444
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Speaker 2: And who can execute that.

445
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Speaker 3: And so Lamar had the heart ache of losing to

446
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Speaker 3: the Chiefs last year, Josh has had that heartache of

447
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Speaker 3: losing Mahomes before.

448
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Speaker 2: You know, they don't even get a chance to get there.

449
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Speaker 3: Whoever loses it, they don't even get a chance to

450
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Speaker 3: maybe meeting meet Kansas City there.

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Speaker 2: You know. Who know, I'm not writing Houston off, but you.

452
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Speaker 3: Know, you don't even know if you to get that

453
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Speaker 3: chance to go to go meet Mahomes and any reading that.

454
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Speaker 2: So the loser is going to be.

455
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Speaker 3: That's gonna be some real, some real teers.

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Speaker 1: I know, because we just spent twelve months just to

457
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Speaker 1: get back to this point. It's the same four teams,

458
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Speaker 1: you know, and I don't put the Texans in in

459
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Speaker 1: their class, but it's just so hard to get to

460
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Speaker 1: a super Bowl in the AFC. It's kind of like

461
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Speaker 1: when Brady and Manning were there, you had to get

462
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Speaker 1: through both of them. But now now there's three and

463
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Speaker 1: there's Burrow, you know, sticking around and it's just brutal.

464
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Speaker 1: I'm leaning Bills, but that's more to be real about

465
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Speaker 1: just sticking with a preseason pick because why not, and

466
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Speaker 1: because it's home. It is a little crazy to me

467
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Speaker 1: that they're they're underdogs at home. I know it's only

468
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Speaker 1: a point, but it is an advantage to be there

469
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Speaker 1: in Buffalo, and they they have been as much as

470
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Speaker 1: the Ravens have been through some playoff heartaches, certainly the

471
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Speaker 1: Bills have played even even more of those games. A

472
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Speaker 1: little our experience may maybe they get it done. And

473
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Speaker 1: it is crazy that it could all be anti climactic.

474
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Speaker 1: Either one of them could lose to the Chiefs in

475
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Speaker 1: the end.

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Speaker 2: Josh Allen overtime rule will come into effect.

477
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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I mean that rule was changed because Josh

478
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Speaker 3: Allen never got a change in overtime to get the

479
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 3: ball after Mahomes scored. So who knows. Maybe the Josh

480
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Speaker 3: Allen rule will come into effect.

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Speaker 2: In this game.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I can only hope so. Because this is

483
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Speaker 1: the final game of the weekend it is Sunday evening.

484
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Speaker 1: We're going to be heading into the studio to recap

485
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Speaker 1: it all right afterwards. I can't wait with Ravens fan

486
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Speaker 1: Patrick Claybond. But it's the best game, so that's why

487
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Speaker 1: we had to start this show. You're the best, Baldy.

488
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Speaker 1: Appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for having me, Bud, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you. And yeah, we're going to stick in the AFC.

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Speaker 1: After the break. We are welcoming in Seth Pain. We

492
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Speaker 1: had to have it back after I said last week

493
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Speaker 1: was going to be the last time we talked to

494
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Speaker 1: Seth Payin for the season because I thought the Texans

495
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Speaker 1: were going to lose. He's back on the show, talk

496
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Speaker 1: a Little Texans Chiefs right after this, back on NFL Daily,

497
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: staying in the AFC, and I had to have our

498
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Speaker 1: next guest on because I'm eating Crow. I welcomed him

499
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Speaker 1: on last week saying this will be the last time

500
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Speaker 1: we ever get to talk to Seth Payin. The Texans

501
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: will never be relevant again. He's headbanging. You know him

502
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: from six to ten Sports Radio in Houston where he

503
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Speaker 1: does the morning show and at Seth Payne Show on YouTube.

504
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: It's entertaining, and he's loving spiking the football on me

505
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Speaker 1: because his Texans are in the divisional round.

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Speaker 6: They're in the divisional round after against all odds somehow again,

507
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Speaker 6: So what everybody thought was just the unwinnable game because

508
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 6: there were three point underdogs. I'm still discussed Rex Ryan

509
00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 6: everybody else acting like, oh three point on nobody's ever

510
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 6: pulled that off in the NFL. Oh single digit underdogs,

511
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 6: not even the high single digits.

512
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Speaker 1: No I fell for it. I really thought that Chargers

513
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 1: would roll. Oh, like, how how could a team, uh

514
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 1: you know name the Chargers possibly blow it in the playoffs?

515
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Jim, Yeah, Jim Harbaugh had exercised all the demons.

516
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Speaker 4: They just beat the Raiders.

517
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Speaker 1: Greg Greg Roman in a spot against one of the

518
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Speaker 1: best defenses in the league where the number two receiver

519
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: is Will Disley, Like I don't know. No, I was surprised,

520
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: and it was an awesome performance by the Texans. One

521
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Speaker 1: of and well we'll flip it to this game very soon,

522
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Speaker 1: but one of just the best defensive games. And you're

523
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Speaker 1: a former Houston Texans defend defender, Seth, you must have

524
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Speaker 1: loved seeing defensive football because I will defend that game.

525
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Speaker 1: That was a good game. I know it ended up

526
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Speaker 1: not being at the end, so it wasn't a great game.

527
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 1: But I was like, this is actually great defensive football

528
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Speaker 1: from both teams, and one of the best you know

529
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Speaker 1: for a while, and then one of the best defensive

530
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: performances I've ever seen by any defense in a playoff game.

531
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Speaker 6: Honestly, it was midway through the second quarter when the

532
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 6: store was somehow still six nothing because the tex the

533
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 6: offense wasn't doing anything. The Texans defense looked awful on

534
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 6: the first drive, but they came up big with a

535
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 6: third and two stop. But I was thinking back to

536
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 6: two thousand and two, the first year of the franchise.

537
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Speaker 6: We won a game against Pittsburgh in which we had

538
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Speaker 6: forty seven yards of offense and Aaron Glenn, future Saints

539
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 6: head coach. Unless I've missed a hire or something, Aaron

540
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 6: Glenn scored two touchdowns defensively in that game. We scored

541
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Speaker 6: three defensive touchdowns. I thought, all right, well, maybe this

542
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 6: defense can pull it off. But it was going against

543
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 6: Justin Herbert, who'd thrown three interceptions all year long. Yeah,

544
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 6: everything that the Texans have been able to do this

545
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 6: year defensively, which is they're very opportunistic, they take the

546
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 6: ball away lot. They came through big time there, But

547
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 6: the offense clicking, the offense able to run the ball

548
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 6: in the second half. We really haven't seen hardly any

549
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 6: of that this year out of the offense. So the

550
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 6: really encouraging thing is that, Okay, maybe something clicked. Maybe

551
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 6: obviously the Chiefs are a completely different ball of wax

552
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 6: than the Chargers, but at the very least maybe something

553
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 6: clicked with CJ. Stroud in the offense that this can

554
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 6: be a different version of the Texans.

555
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you guys got to be fired up before

556
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: we even hit record. What did you call me a

557
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: bourgeois Patriots fan that I.

558
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 6: Like you were back in the day you used to

559
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 6: describe the fan base. It sounded to me like kind

560
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 6: of that bourgeois malaise of like, oh, I have everything

561
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 6: I have ever wanted, and yet I'm still not happy?

562
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 6: Why Why are ras Bostonians so angry all the time?

563
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,479
Speaker 4: It's yeah, I enjoyed it.

564
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: I felt like I enjoyed it. I knew I enjoyed

565
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: it at the time, and I knew it would never

566
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: get any better, which is why when Brady left. I

567
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: was like, well, what's the point. We already that that

568
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 1: was the best that's ever going to be, and the

569
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: Texans are not there. They're climbing. They've never been to

570
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: it AFC Championship game, right, No.

571
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Speaker 6: Yeah, they're the only team in the division the lofty

572
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 6: and with all the lofty expectations at AFC South, they're

573
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 6: the one team that hasn't reached a conference.

574
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Speaker 1: And they're huge. They're huge underdogs this weekend and they

575
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: should be because the Chiefs finished up this season. I

576
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: know I'm falling to the trap again and I no, no.

577
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Speaker 4: I mean this is different. This is different this week.

578
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Speaker 1: And I think the I think they have a chance.

579
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Speaker 1: I do think they have a chance. I don't think

580
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: this is like there was one of those Texans Patriots

581
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: divisional round games where everyone knew they didn't have a

582
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: chance and they didn't have a chance, and then there

583
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: was one. I thought they'd be close and they weren't. Ultimately,

584
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: I think they have a chance in this game because

585
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: we got to start on the defensive side. That's the

586
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: fascinating matchup. When the Chiefs have the ball, when the

587
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: Texans are on defense, this is best on maybe best.

588
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: I think the Chiefs often started playing their best late

589
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: in the season. Actually, in that Texans game, I thought

590
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: Andy Reid did a lot of good things against Tamiko

591
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: Ryans where it was a bit of a coaching game,

592
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: and every snap, like Patrick Mahomes kind of knew where

593
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: his receivers had the leverage and he always just kept

594
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: hitting him. And I was like, Wow, this is the

595
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: Chief's offense I was waiting to see all season. And

596
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: the scary thing is they kind of did it again

597
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: on Christmas Day and they finished out the season playing

598
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: their best football in the Texans game was a big

599
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: part of that. How do you think they can be

600
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: different this time around in Texas?

601
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Speaker 4: Well? I think, for one, the one good thing the.

602
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 6: Texans did in that game at least is there weren't

603
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 6: a huge number of explosive pass plays out of the Chiefs,

604
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 6: and again, you know it's regular season Chiefs versus postseason Chiefs.

605
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 6: I understand the difference there. The weakness for the Texans

606
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 6: defense this year has been in allowing some of the

607
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 6: explosive plays. Part of that's because of youth in the secondary,

608
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 6: because they've man Kamari Lasted has been awesome, but he's

609
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 6: also a rookie. Calen Bullock has been way better than

610
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Speaker 6: I anticipated or expected. I thought he was going to

611
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 6: be like a two or three year project, and he's

612
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 6: played really, really well. They've gotten a boatload of interceptions,

613
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Speaker 6: but they've also had glitches that have allowed some huge plays.

614
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Speaker 6: We saw it in the Chargers game there with Lad

615
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Speaker 6: McConkey in the second half. They just had a little

616
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Speaker 6: bit of a glitch. There really should have been a

617
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Speaker 6: PBu if they had played it right. That's what when

618
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Speaker 6: it comes to Pat Mahomes and Andy Reid scheming and

619
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Speaker 6: finding their opportunities versus guys like Xavier Worthy.

620
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Speaker 4: That's that's the big concern.

621
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Speaker 6: I think, down in and down out, they can limit

622
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Speaker 6: and hold the Chiefs, you know, from being too explosive,

623
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Speaker 6: because the Chiefs haven't been super explosive all year long.

624
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Speaker 6: It's some of that the other On the positive side

625
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Speaker 6: of things, they have a ziz al Shire this time,

626
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Speaker 6: which they didn't last time, and I know, talking about

627
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 6: a middle linebacker like that's going.

628
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Speaker 4: To be the huge X factor.

629
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Speaker 6: It's not going to be like the one thing that

630
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 6: puts the Texans over the top.

631
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Speaker 4: But they're a much different.

632
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 6: Defense with a z's on the field than than when

633
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 6: he's being unfairly, unfairly persecuted for playing football.

634
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, by my boss's bosses, boss's boss. You know,

635
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: we put him down three games. He know, he is

636
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: that important I think in Demiico Ryans' defense. Not to

637
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: oversimplify it, but the linebackers are the leaders in some ways,

638
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: and he is that guy for them. And you got

639
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: Christian Harris back to he's been healthy, right, and that matters.

640
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Speaker 1: My son's favorite player, And weirdly, one of the reasons,

641
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: well favorite player are the defense. One of the reasons

642
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: why he likes the Texans is like the first or

643
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: second ever football card pack he had, he pulled the

644
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: Christian Harris rookie autograph card and that that helped him

645
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: run the you know what's been a pretty good ride

646
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: as a Texans fan the last two years. He can't

647
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: complain in the divisional round the last two.

648
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 4: Years except that, yeah, they do.

649
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 6: The Texans have this history of they played really well

650
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 6: in the wildcard round. You know, as much as we

651
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 6: get to crap for always playing that Saturday three thirty

652
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Speaker 6: game or four thirty Easter and whatever, they tend to

653
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Speaker 6: with They've got a winning record in those games. Yeah,

654
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Speaker 6: but the divisional round hasn't been so hot. Christian Harris,

655
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Speaker 6: your son, Your son should be concerned about Christian Harris

656
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 6: just because he's had this mysterious calf injury all year long.

657
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 6: He only played seven snaps in the game against the Chargers, So.

658
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Speaker 4: But I don't he's kind of weak to week.

659
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Speaker 6: I think it's one of these injuries that it flares

660
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 6: up and then it goes away. But that's that is

661
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,479
Speaker 6: a big factor. And just being able to line up

662
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 6: and play a base four to three. They're really not

663
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Speaker 6: able to do it without Christian Harris. They don't feel

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Speaker 6: great about the other guys out there. So if Christian

665
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Speaker 6: Harris is healthy and available and can play a lot

666
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Speaker 6: of snaps, it could be a big difference.

667
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Speaker 1: That I look at you. You found a way to

668
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: turn my football card story into it still your child, joy.

669
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Speaker 1: My My concern is Hunter and will Anderson. They just

670
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: need to impact the game more than they did that

671
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Speaker 1: first time. I know, I'm BASI lot on the first

672
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Speaker 1: time round and I want to take what the Texans

673
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Speaker 1: did last week and value that. But was it was

674
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Speaker 1: so recent and it was so much part of I

675
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Speaker 1: think the Chiefs team we're going to see in this game,

676
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Speaker 1: which like their playoffs did start there. I think my

677
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: theory is they kind of convinced themselves we got these

678
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: three games in eleven days or whatever it was, our

679
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: playoffs start now, and then suddenly they were a different team.

680
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Speaker 1: If we can win these three games and we get

681
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: this bye week, and suddenly Mahomes getting the ball out faster.

682
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Speaker 1: I think the injury almost helped him, although he scrambled,

683
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Speaker 1: you know, really well in that game, and the Texans

684
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: have been bad against scrambles all year, and I kind

685
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Speaker 1: of I think that's huge because I kind of doubt

686
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Speaker 1: the Chiefs can run. That's one advantage I give the

687
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Speaker 1: Texans defense. I don't expect Pacheco in that running game

688
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Speaker 1: to get going because it really hasn't all year, and

689
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: the Texans are pretty great at stopping that. So it's

690
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Speaker 1: going to be Mahomes going through his reads like ultra fast.

691
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Speaker 1: That's what makes him different than he was even five

692
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Speaker 1: years ago.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that I'm glad you brought that up because I

694
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Speaker 6: had forgotten. You know, that was a big talking point

695
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Speaker 6: after the game, was that Mahomes got rid of the

696
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 6: ball as fast as he has all year. And I'll

697
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Speaker 6: tell you what, My goodness, I made a little joke

698
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Speaker 6: about Pat Mahomes being injured and still playing well, and

699
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Speaker 6: I honestly just kind of met like, yeah, it's what. Yeah,

700
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Speaker 6: he's got an ankle injury, but.

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Speaker 4: Look at him. Chiefs. Fans are so sensitive right now.

702
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Speaker 4: They largely I did the YouTube.

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Speaker 6: Video and I said that My point was, yeah, he's

704
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Speaker 6: done this before, he's had these ankle injuries.

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Speaker 4: I was attacked.

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Speaker 6: I set a record for numbers of dislikes on a

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Speaker 6: video on YouTube.

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Speaker 4: Just because they thought.

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Speaker 6: They all assumed I was saying that he was faking

710
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 6: the injury or something like No. Is he a little

711
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 6: bit dramatic sometimes and letting everybody know about Sure, but

712
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Speaker 6: he's definitely injured. He's just he always does this. It

713
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Speaker 6: doesn't matter if he's hobbled, he's able to run.

714
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Speaker 4: But he also got rid of the ball very quickly.

715
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Speaker 6: The big thing about that game was the Texans were

716
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Speaker 6: getting a good pass rush, but they just they couldn't

717
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Speaker 6: get a hobbled Pat Mahomes on the ground, and.

718
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Speaker 4: Like that can't be.

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Speaker 6: You gotta figure out a way to keep him from

720
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Speaker 6: just getting all that easy yardage that even when he's injured.

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Speaker 6: I mean, and I say it's easy yardage. The touchdown run,

722
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Speaker 6: he had both the setup to the touchdown and the

723
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Speaker 6: touchdown itself. I mean, he kind of he kind of

724
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Speaker 6: punked some Texans defenders, you know he does. He kind

725
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 6: of bulldozed some dudes.

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Speaker 1: They test you too with the quick throws of can

727
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: you tackle in space? And Lassiter like Stingley, they're great

728
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Speaker 1: at it. Maybe the safety position without Petrie, that's something

729
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: you can attack more. I think Xavier Worthy really found

730
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Speaker 1: his role late in the season, which was kind of

731
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Speaker 1: the Rashi Rice roll from a year ago. They stopped

732
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Speaker 1: asking him to do stuff. So that's where the big,

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Speaker 1: the big place could go. You mentioned like being a

734
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: little dramatic with the injuries. Now your old teammate you

735
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Speaker 1: were Wait, were you teammates with JJ Wattu?

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Speaker 4: No? No, no, no, I'm much old with you know,

737
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Speaker 4: I lose track of the No. No, that's I know.

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Speaker 6: No, I'm just laughing at how old I am.

739
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Speaker 1: I did have a theory in that Steelers Ravens game

740
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Speaker 1: that like there's like there's a little bit of that

741
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Speaker 1: with TJ Watts Hett.

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Speaker 6: Oh really, I gotta you know, I gotta go back

743
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Speaker 6: and watch because I okay, real quick.

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Speaker 1: It's like a little extra a little aj. JJ used

745
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: to get a little grief for that, which you know,

746
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: he's one of the all time greats. Still people talk

747
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Speaker 1: about Aaron Donald as the best defensive player of this century,

748
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Speaker 1: and I still say, I think JJ Watt's peak those

749
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: three years was actually the best defensive player I've personally

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Speaker 1: ever seen.

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Speaker 6: That four game, that four year stretch where JJ won

752
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 6: three defensive MVPs. His his averages various categories like TFLs

753
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 6: and other things like that, Like his averages over those

754
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 6: four years were higher than any number that any of

755
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Speaker 6: those guys like Aaron Donald and Aaron Like, I don't

756
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 6: I don't want to turn this into like JJ Watt

757
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Speaker 6: is awesome and Aaron Donald suck.

758
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Speaker 1: Now they're the two best. I think they're the two best.

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00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 6: His averages were higher than like numbers that Donald had

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Speaker 6: ever attained in a single season.

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Speaker 4: It was just it was, it was.

762
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Speaker 6: It was just freakish how productive he was as a

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Speaker 6: defensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I know I'm getting a way off topic here.

765
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Speaker 1: I do think they can win those matchups against the tackles,

766
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: they can get a little quicker pressure. I think they

767
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: can prevent the run, force the Chiefs maybe into some

768
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Speaker 1: more third and longs, which obviously Patrick Mahomes is good at,

769
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Speaker 1: but they do have a couple of cornerbacks that that

770
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Speaker 1: could make that difficult on them. Even if he finds

771
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Speaker 1: the matchups, I think it'll be more of a might

772
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Speaker 1: be more of a Kelsey and a Juju and in

773
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Speaker 1: de Hop when he's over the middle type of game.

774
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Speaker 1: But I just feel like they're gonna have to They're

775
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: gonna have to be special because I think the best

776
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 1: you can hope out of the offense is good enough.

777
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 1: So you just got to hold the score to one

778
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: or twenty three, or you're gonna need to force two turnovers?

779
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: Am I wrong? Thinking like they in the playoffs? I

780
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: just feel like your strengths have to be extra strong

781
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: and you got to somehow win that matchup to give C. J.

782
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: Stroud in the offensive champs because you can't. You can't

783
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: just think that the offense is suddenly gonna put up

784
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Speaker 1: twenty seven points.

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Speaker 6: No, No, they just haven't consistently been able to do it.

786
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 6: And even in that game with the Chargers, the offense

787
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 6: clicked with that ninety nine yard touchdown run, but it

788
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 6: was because, like the game was only in reach because

789
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 6: the defense had played so well up to that.

790
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: Right, that was their seventh drive of the first half.

791
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: You never get that many drives, you know.

792
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 6: The time of possession was so lopsided it was it

793
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 6: was bad. So yes, and I agree with one hundred

794
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,959
Speaker 6: percent to go back to the old Patriots teams. I mean,

795
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 6: this is an oversimplification, but I think it's it's true

796
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 6: those Giants. The reason the Giants were able to beat

797
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 6: the Patriots and turn them into a mortal team was

798
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 6: because they could get a four man pass rush. And

799
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Speaker 6: I think that that's what the Texans are going to

800
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 6: be able to have to do, which they did in

801
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 6: the Chargers game, especially in the second half. Is that

802
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 6: the pass rush, which was really humming. They were getting

803
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,439
Speaker 6: really good rush out of the defensive tackles as well

804
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 6: as the ends, Like you gotta be able to allow

805
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 6: guys to sit back and coverage and you got to

806
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 6: get there and it got better. They they started leaning

807
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 6: on the four man rush more in the second half

808
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 6: as it kind of heated up, but that's an absolute

809
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 6: essential and then they'll have the opportunities for their turnovers.

810
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Speaker 6: And Demiko, you know, of all the playoff performances, I

811
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 6: was looking at some of the grades of when teams

812
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 6: were in man coverage. Demiko played man as little as

813
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 6: any other team on wild Card weekend, but they were

814
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 6: the most defective in man coverage. And a lot of

815
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 6: that just comes back to Derek Singley and Kamari Lassiter.

816
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: They were so good and they can mix it up.

817
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: And yeah, you mentioned the interior pressure Deniko Autry, like

818
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: you a lifer in the vision that America forgets at

819
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: a monster game.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and just like I thought you were talking about

821
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 6: the pass rush monster part of me like that. He

822
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 6: was definitely more than that. You know, the whole thing

823
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Speaker 6: about Denico Autry is that he originally the timeline was this.

824
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 6: I know everybody watching was dialed in on the Texans

825
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 6: offseason acquisitions, but Denico Autrey was signed basically to be

826
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Speaker 6: the edge rusher opposite of Will Anderson. And then they

827
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 6: found out that Daniel Hunter was interested and that was

828
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 6: an option and they said, all right, well, basically, Denko

829
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Speaker 6: rushes from the inside really well we'll go ahead and

830
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 6: we'll sign Daniel Hunter to a two year contract and

831
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Speaker 6: moved Denico Autry down inside when Daniel's out there, and

832
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 6: and he had some really good snaps at defensive tackle

833
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 6: in that game. That's the the whole four man pass

834
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 6: rush includes. You've got defensive ends that rush well from

835
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Speaker 6: the tackle position.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, shout out to Nick Asario. You know some of

837
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: the ex Patriots building guys do well. It's just the

838
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: front office guys. The coaches don't ever do well. But

839
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: the mitchdrafted well and Atlanta Jason light is a former

840
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: Belichick guy in Tampa. He's done well. Let's slip to

841
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: the offense. And I know, I know Chiefs fans will

842
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: be like, oh, this is such a Texans leaning podcast.

843
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: Where's our time. You've got enough to do it. You've

844
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: had all the time.

845
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 4: Your time.

846
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: It's probably coming up. I don't want to doubt the

847
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: Texans again. It's probably coming up.

848
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 6: I'm a very quick message to Chiefs fans again about this. Listen, listen,

849
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 6: you guys have won three Super Bowls, all right, You're like,

850
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 6: this is what comes with I know, Look, I personally

851
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 6: don't buy into a single bit of any of the

852
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 6: officiating controversy or anything.

853
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 4: But this is the stuff that comes with wearing the crown.

854
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 6: You're never gonna I don't know at what point people

855
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 6: think that, like, oh, once we get really good, that's

856
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 6: when we'll get universal praise and admiration. That's not how

857
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 6: human beings work. Just enjoy the enjoy the scrutiny, enjoy

858
00:41:55,640 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 6: the frankly, the delusional conspiracy theorything.

859
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 4: It's just this is what comes with success.

860
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: Well, plus, your offense used to be one of the

861
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: most fun offenses I've ever seen, and it's just not.

862
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: It's efficient and it's great, and it's the same reason

863
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: why I would get another. You know, people complain in

864
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, like that Patriots team, the last one that won.

865
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 1: It's like by then it wasn't as fun to watch.

866
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: I got it, Like just visually, it's not. I think

867
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: Mahomes can get back there if they get they get

868
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: the right people around them. Of course it's not about Mahomes,

869
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: but they're just grinding it out and that maybe keeps

870
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: Houston keeping the score relatively low. Let's talk about the

871
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: Texans offense before we go, because you know, one thing

872
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: in that first game, and yeah, I clearly went back

873
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: to watch it, and so I'm really I'm really leaning

874
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: into that of like, hey, I did the homework and

875
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: because I think it's I think it's relevant. I thought

876
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 1: they actually picked up Spegnola's blitzes pretty well. I thought

877
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: CJ threw with anticipation. I know, the Tank Dell injury

878
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: is kind of what we remember and it fell apart

879
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: from there, But overall CJ's so streaky as a quarterback. Yeah,

880
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: and I don't think he played particularly well overall in

881
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: the wild card round. I think he did in this game,

882
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: and I think that's what it's going to take because

883
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,720
Speaker 1: they're just going to send those rushers and the offensive

884
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: line played decently well. I thought actually against the Chiefs

885
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 1: the first time around, he took a lot of hits

886
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: in the end, but a lot of those hits he

887
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: was making completions with anticipation, and that's what you need

888
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: out of him. You just need him to be a

889
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: real dude for four quarters, not for two or three,

890
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 1: which is kind of what he's been for a lot

891
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: of the second half of the season.

892
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,479
Speaker 6: No, and I think that's exactly if you think about

893
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 6: the Chiefs this year where the first half of the season,

894
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 6: they're winning all these close games and you're, you know,

895
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 6: you're kind of thinking like, well, I mean, this is

896
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 6: the experience they have. They're good in the fourth quarter

897
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 6: all that, but you didn't know for sure. And then

898
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 6: they just kept winning and kept winning. And in that

899
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 6: Texans game, I think it was the perfect representation of that,

900
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 6: which is the Texans were hanging in there. Tank Dell

901
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 6: was having a great game until he caught that touchdown

902
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 6: and his knee got blown out on the same play.

903
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 6: But even after that, the Texans drove down into the

904
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 6: Chiefs territory, into the red area. But then CJ made

905
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 6: a couple of bad mistakes, took asack he shouldn't have,

906
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 6: there was a procedural issue and like that, and then

907
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 6: the Chiefs came and just had just a clock draining drive,

908
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 6: all those things that, yeah, the really experienced veteran championship

909
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 6: caliber teams do. It was it was the way they

910
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,919
Speaker 6: operated in the fourth quarter. I mean, it was as

911
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,720
Speaker 6: stark as could be. The team that wasn't The Texans

912
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 6: just not ready to be in that moment versus the

913
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 6: Chiefs just very comfortable in that moment. So the whole

914
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 6: fourth quarter aspect of it, and exactly what did the

915
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 6: Texans do in the fourth quarter? Did they genuinely take

916
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 6: a step forward With CJ? I think the really encouraging

917
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 6: thing that happened in the Chargers game was he It

918
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 6: just felt like after the the fumbled snap that turned

919
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 6: into an exab your Hutchinson reception, it seemed like you

920
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 6: let the game come to him a little bit more.

921
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 6: You know, He's he's gotten better as the season's gone

922
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 6: along at doing that very Pat Mahomes site thing of

923
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 6: like taking the checkdown when that's what's there, doing the

924
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 6: smart things like that. It's taken CJ a while to

925
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 6: get comfortable with that. But then he also he started

926
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 6: running the ball when there was easy yardage. And it's

927
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:27,439
Speaker 6: you know, Greg, I blame our generation for giving these

928
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 6: young quarterbacks good advice, which is, listen, you want to

929
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 6: be a pocket passer. You know, you just want to

930
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 6: be sure you don't rely on your legs all the time.

931
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 6: But the game has changed, and I feel like guys

932
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,439
Speaker 6: like us have been telling these young quarterbacks for years like, yeah,

933
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 6: you know, don't let them typecasts. Yeah you're a passing quarterback,

934
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,720
Speaker 6: show me the awesome quarterbacks anymore who aren't also running

935
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 6: quarterbacks like Pat Mahomes runs really intelligently and really effectively,

936
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 6: and it helps the passing game, it helps the game management,

937
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 6: all of that, and nobody's acting like, Wow, he's not

938
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 6: a pure pocket passer. I think CJ is starting to understand,

939
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 6: and Joe Mixon's been trying to tell him this all

940
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 6: year long.

941
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 4: Take those yards.

942
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 6: You're athletic enough to do it and run for it

943
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 6: when it's there, and I think it's starting to it. Really,

944
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 6: at the very least in the second half of that

945
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 6: game last week, it looked like that part of it

946
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 6: really clicked for me.

947
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, when he made that scramble in the drive

948
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: to end the first half and Demico starts yelling, that's

949
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: what I'm efing talking about. You could you could almost

950
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,280
Speaker 1: tell it was from the like I'm a defensive player

951
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: point of view, like that's what that's what we need

952
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: a little more of. Yeah, it's funny. You just made

953
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: a point that I heard It was me to Kaims

954
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: of Show with Dominique Foxworth too, and they were getting

955
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,760
Speaker 1: on Jordan Love for the same thing that it's so funny.

956
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: Now we've gotten to the point with these quarterbacks. And

957
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: Herbert was similar in his game where we're actually saying, no,

958
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 1: you got to run more, bro Like, you guys are

959
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: so athletic, it's hard to Like twenty years ago, you

960
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: never would have thought that we would have said that.

961
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: But I think there is something to that with Siege.

962
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: He is a good playmaker and that play that he

963
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: made at the end of the first half, maybe that

964
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: is how you're gonna be able to beat Kansas City

965
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: because if they have a weakness on defense, and this

966
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 1: wasn't a great Chiefs defensive year. It was very good

967
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 1: most of the year, had a dip and then mostly

968
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: got it back during that three game streak and they

969
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: kind of looked like the Chiefs that we expected. And hell,

970
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: they got a lot of pass rush even in that

971
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: game without Chris Jones that was on well Christmas against

972
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: the Steelers. Like so they are scary and I think

973
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 1: probably playing their best, but they weren't as good this year.

974
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 1: They have some weaknesses in terms of their slot position.

975
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: It's Shamari Corner out there really their second you know

976
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: cornerbacks out there. I think if the Texans were a

977
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: better running team, it could be a Joe Mixon game.

978
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: But Joe Mixon is running so damn hard that as

979
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 1: a defensive player he must be someone like he's got

980
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: to be one of the toughest guys to tackle in

981
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: the entire NFL.

982
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's really, I mean.

983
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 6: And there's times this year too, as the run game

984
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 6: has struggled to get going, there's times where it looks

985
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 6: like Mixing has done a little bit of what CJ's done,

986
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 6: which is, man, you know that you need a big play,

987
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 6: so you're trying a little too hard for the big play.

988
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 6: But because they can't trust the blocking in front of him.

989
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 6: So that was where the really encouraging thing in the

990
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 6: second half was, is that all right?

991
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 4: Man?

992
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 6: He had actual holes to run through. He actually had.

993
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 6: They were actually getting some easy yardage. They had a

994
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 6: game ceiling drive. The offensive line for the Texans has

995
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 6: just been shuffled around and improving in some ways as

996
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 6: the season's gone along.

997
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 4: But when they moved Titus.

998
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 6: Howard to left guard because all the left guards got injured,

999
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,720
Speaker 6: I think it's been good this time around. Titus hasn't

1000
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 6: been good as a guard in the past. This time

1001
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 6: it feels like he's really embraced it, and he still

1002
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 6: he has blemishes, like you can tell he's playing out

1003
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 6: of position. But there's a certain factor. There's a certain

1004
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 6: part of just having a guy his size and with

1005
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 6: his athleticism that allows them to get some movement that

1006
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 6: they really weren't getting in the run game before. So

1007
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 6: if they can lean into that a little bit, there's

1008
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 6: gonna be some bad plays, But I think that there's

1009
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,439
Speaker 6: just more of a chance that they can have more

1010
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 6: successful runs than they were able to have for most

1011
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 6: of the season.

1012
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they've they've had a lot of negative runs

1013
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: and you mentioned the negative the penalties in the sack.

1014
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: They just can't be taking those that That was the

1015
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: game where they kept throwing these bubble screens and getting

1016
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: negative threes and everything, and they they just can't. They

1017
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: just can't take those negative plays. You can't let like

1018
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 1: George Carloftas and Mike Dana beat you. There was a

1019
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: little more of that when I said they handled the

1020
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: blitzwell in that game, they did, like the communication was

1021
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: good and everything, but the chiefs for man rush actually

1022
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: got home a decent amount. And that's what I mean

1023
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,479
Speaker 1: about like winning with your strengths. They I think CJ

1024
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 1: took eleven QB hits in that game, and Mahomes, who

1025
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,720
Speaker 1: had gone through a stretch of getting battered and bruised,

1026
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: only took four. And if it's that lopsided, the game

1027
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: will be lopsided. They'll cover the number. I'm not, you know,

1028
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: going full you know, upset here, but I'm going there

1029
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: covering the number that it's like a six point game

1030
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: or something, and they make them sweat.

1031
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 6: I think that's the part of it too, that I

1032
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 6: rarely get insulted by what basically what Vegas and the.

1033
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 4: Computers are saying.

1034
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 6: But it did open up as a seven point spread,

1035
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 6: and now it's moved up to nine. I feel like

1036
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 6: that's America, America saying that, you know, they're just okay,

1037
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 6: this is the playoff Chiefs and it's going to be

1038
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 6: the same old Texans. So I'm insulted by those two points.

1039
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 6: I think that I can it's one hundred percent valid.

1040
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 6: The Chiefs are a different team in the playoffs than

1041
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 6: they are in the regular season, even in the years

1042
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 6: where they're really good offensively in the regular season. I

1043
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 6: think the fact of the matter, though, is that it's

1044
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 6: not like they've been blowing teams out this year. It's

1045
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 6: rare that they score more than thirty points in a game,

1046
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 6: so the I feel confident it's going to be a

1047
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,280
Speaker 6: better game than maybe people are expecting.

1048
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 1: Maybe a little vibes of the Deshaun Watson Texans game

1049
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: against the Chiefs where they had in the playoff that

1050
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 1: was a division r right with Bill O'Brien, and they

1051
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 1: get out to like I'll never forget I was sitting

1052
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: next to our friend Chris Westling for that game. And

1053
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: they get up twenty one nothing or.

1054
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:20,720
Speaker 6: Fortwenty four or twenty four nothing, twenty four, there's twenty were.

1055
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 1: Is this really gonna happen? And it's funny the Chiefs

1056
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: are so good on offense back then that even then

1057
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: you were like, well, they got a lot of time.

1058
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,240
Speaker 1: We'll see, but it's like, is this really gonna happen?

1059
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 1: I don't think it'll be like that, but I do

1060
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: think there's something. We'll see what the rest, I don't know.

1061
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: That's a long time to not be playing football. I

1062
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: could see like a Texans thirteen to six lead midway

1063
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: through the second quarter and the Chiefs fans are sweating

1064
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: it out, or maybe it's a halftime lead something like

1065
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: that before the Chiefs pull away. That's my final prediction.

1066
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 6: There's there's no cushion that will make any Texans fan

1067
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 6: feel comfortable.

1068
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 4: It could be with the.

1069
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 6: Final score that game ended up being fifty one to

1070
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 6: thirty one, I think.

1071
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 4: I mean it was the Chiefs.

1072
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 6: The Chiefs ran out of gunpowder to fire the cannon

1073
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 6: in the end zone.

1074
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 4: That was.

1075
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 6: That was the only bad thing that happened to the

1076
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 6: Chiefs that day. Once they started their comeback, and then

1077
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 6: the Chiefs went on to that was the year they

1078
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 6: came back from double digit deficits in every single game,

1079
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 6: I think to win the Super Bowl.

1080
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, first, and we got it started.

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Speaker 1: That was their first Super Bowl run. We'll see if

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Speaker 1: the Texans can can end their their bid on a

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Speaker 1: three p. I hate to say, Abot, I don't thing

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Speaker 1: we're gonna see you anymore.

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Speaker 6: This I'm not gonna I'm not gonna get insulted by it.

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Speaker 6: This time around. I was deeply insulted.

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Speaker 4: I couldn't. I thought about it all week, but.

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Speaker 1: Sure you did. Production value, by the way over at

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Speaker 1: Seth Payne Show. His YouTube channel is fantastic. I don't

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Speaker 1: know how many people you have working with you like

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Speaker 1: the editing and you throw and the jokes are like

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Speaker 1: on point. I don't know if this has taken a

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Speaker 1: lot of takes or what Minor Bosa, there was just

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Speaker 1: a lot going on there.

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Speaker 6: I like, I constantly like the little different. I do

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Speaker 6: everything myself. I've just learned that's my thing that I'm

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Speaker 6: trying to learn to stay mentally sharp. Video editing, which

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Speaker 6: I've learned, is one of those things that it doesn't

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Speaker 6: matter how much you improve, it's going to take the

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Speaker 6: exact same amount of time because there's just always nine

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Speaker 6: million things you can do to improve it. And I'm

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Speaker 6: still I'm like, I think I'm up to maybe like

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Speaker 6: a sixteen year old editing on his phone level.

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Speaker 4: I'm all like, I'm right there.

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Speaker 6: I just want to get up to maybe like freshman

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Speaker 6: graphic design major and I'll be then I'll start farming

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Speaker 6: it out.

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Speaker 1: No, it's good, it's good stuff. We are asking all

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Speaker 1: of our listeners go go subscribe, Go check out Seth

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Speaker 1: on YouTube. We will see you next time. We're not

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Speaker 1: even going to take a break here. That's it for

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Speaker 1: the AFC. Those games were fantastic. We're going to go

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Speaker 1: to the early Sunday morning game Eagles and Rams. Yes,

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Speaker 1: to Redcross dot org. Slash NFL all right back on

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Speaker 1: NFL Daily didn't really go anywhere with my friend fo

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Speaker 1: Wolf from the pH l Y Eagles podcast. The Eagles

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Speaker 1: are his business, and business is booming. It's a perfect

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Speaker 1: Eagles season. You guys are dominant, your heavy favorites in

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Speaker 1: the divisional round, and no one in Philadelphia is happy.

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Speaker 1: It's like, that's exactly what you would want.

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Speaker 5: That's exactly right, It's just how you want it. And

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Speaker 5: I do have to say at the top, I was

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Speaker 5: confident that the arc of history would make it worthwhile

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Speaker 5: for me to take jul Fonseca in the tenth round

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Speaker 5: of my own Maker's draft with my brother this year.

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Speaker 5: But I didn't think it was gonna off this quickly.

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Speaker 5: I'm happy to be here on courts of Thunder.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Yes for the seven people listening that

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Speaker 1: get that. Wow, I had a I had a podcast

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Speaker 1: about tennis and I loved it with my my friend

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Speaker 1: Glenn Clark. Maybe it'll come back someday. And yes, bo

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Speaker 1: Wolf an eye for Talent picked maybe the next big

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Speaker 1: thing in tennis. I'm not gonna say he's the next Alcoraz,

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Speaker 1: but I think he's gonna be the next something we're

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Speaker 1: going to be watching for a long time. And he's

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Speaker 1: making some big noise at the Australi you know.

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Speaker 5: But yes, let's get let's get to The vibes in

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Speaker 5: Philly are are exactly as you would expect, you know.

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00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 5: They they were Saquon Barkley not you know, taking a

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Speaker 5: knee or sliding down at the end of that game

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Speaker 5: away from winning by like three touchdowns. And everybody's furious

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Speaker 5: because the passing game just cannot seem to get to

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Speaker 5: get unstuck. So wit is it really curious? Is overstating it,

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Speaker 5: but it is. It is hesitancy. There is there is

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Speaker 5: reticence because everybody think that if this team is going

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Speaker 5: to get to where they want to go. The passing

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Speaker 5: game is going to have to improve.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 1: They've been up and down all season. At times they've

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Speaker 1: actually been very efficient and played their part very well.

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Speaker 1: At other times, Jalen hurts his numbers haven't passed the

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Speaker 1: eye test. When he holds on to the ball a lot.

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Speaker 1: This is something you guys talk about on your podcast.

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Speaker 1: I think it's right on. You said you see it

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Speaker 1: a trading cap when he holds the ball for a while,

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Speaker 1: Like good things often don't happen. The positive here is

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Speaker 1: you look back at that first Rams game and you

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Speaker 1: think about the matchups. They're one of the few teams

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Speaker 1: that made the Rams pass rush look mortal because they

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Speaker 1: have the tackles to do it. Like Jared Versus just

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Speaker 1: totally erased in that game by I think it was

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Speaker 1: my lot and most of the time, and the matchups

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Speaker 1: on the outside with I know that should have been

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Speaker 1: true last week too, But AJ Brown and DeVante Smith

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Speaker 1: against a Kellaweb their spoon and Darius Williams, Like you

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Speaker 1: would think that would really really work, Like why hasn't

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Speaker 1: the passing game working?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 1: Now I'm caught in your web. We're going negative at

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Speaker 1: the beginning.

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Speaker 5: It's a good question. So to first talk about that

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Speaker 5: first matchup, that was the Eagles' best offensive performance of

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Speaker 5: the season by by all the advanced metrics. They were

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Speaker 5: They were awesome in that game. I mean, Saquon Barkley

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Speaker 5: had three hundred yards from scrimmage. It was it was

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Speaker 5: an insane rushing performance. But AJ Brown also had over

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Speaker 5: one hundred yards and they didn't have Davante Smith in

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Speaker 5: that game. So you do think matchup wise that it

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Speaker 5: should favor the Eagles offense. AJ Brown has sort of

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Speaker 5: owned a Kello Witherspoon over the course of their career.

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Speaker 5: They've played several games against each other. But AJ Brown

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Speaker 5: had won catch last week, and AJ Brown and DeVante

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Speaker 5: Smith are both a little bit banged up. You know,

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Speaker 5: they missed some practice time last week. The problem with

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Speaker 5: with the offense is that so often, you know, the

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Speaker 5: Eagles went on Sunday, then you watch the Monday night

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Speaker 5: game and like the things that the ram and Vikings

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Speaker 5: are doing on offense to just creatively get guys open,

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Speaker 5: they're absent from the Eagles offense so often. It is

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Speaker 5: the same route concepts that they run all season long,

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Speaker 5: and there's you know, it's hard to disentang go what

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Speaker 5: is Jalen what is the offensive scheme? But in week

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Speaker 5: eighteen when they played with Tanner McKee, like you saw

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Speaker 5: the under center play action game, you saw these things

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Speaker 5: that have been absent from the passing offense. And so

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Speaker 5: it's a little bit of both. Obviously everybody shares in that.

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Speaker 5: One of the things that's confounding to me is when

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Speaker 5: this team is so run heavy and you know they

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Speaker 5: only have like twenty to twenty five drop backs a

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Speaker 5: game in the ideal script that they have. The less

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Speaker 5: volume you have of passing plays should mean that you

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Speaker 5: can be less predictable. That like, just why are we

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Speaker 5: running the same route concepts? And one thing that has

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Speaker 5: really been absent from this passing game shockingly so, because

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Speaker 5: one of the things that Jalen Hurts does best is

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Speaker 5: throw the ball deep. They do not throw the ball

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Speaker 5: deep right Nowlast week the only ball day through downfield

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Speaker 5: was the fake push push that was incomplete to aj Brown,

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Speaker 5: that to me is like you just think about it philosophically,

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Speaker 5: like if you know that this team faces loaded boxes

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Speaker 5: more than anybody else in the league, and you're pounding

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Speaker 5: Saquon Barkley into the line of scrimmage. Why can't we

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Speaker 5: just pop a couple balls deep. It's it seems so silly.

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Speaker 1: Well this is this is funny. I mean we really

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Speaker 1: are just talking about what they're struggling up, and yet

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Speaker 1: it's all true. I mean, I don't need to disentangle

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Speaker 1: it that much more. Maybe you guys need to be

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Speaker 1: more sensitive, you know, because you're local and Jalen Hurts

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Speaker 1: is a serious man and a good football player and

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Speaker 1: has had a lot of success. It always looks this,

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Speaker 1: It's always looks like the Jalen Hurts offense. So maybe

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Speaker 1: that's it, you know, because you bring in Kellen Moore

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Speaker 1: and they have the same passing dvoa as a year

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Speaker 1: ago or right around the same. It's it's close to

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Speaker 1: the middle of the league, the strengths and weaknesses, and

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Speaker 1: it looks similar. And then yeah, you bring in the

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Speaker 1: back up and suddenly it looks like the Kellen more offense.

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Speaker 1: So Hurts has his strengths, he has his weaknesses. I

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Speaker 1: think if you lean into those strengths in the right matchups,

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Speaker 1: you can go win a Super Bowl. Especially with this defense.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this defense is better than it's ever been.

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Speaker 1: But I think you're right. In this game against this secondary,

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Speaker 1: you got to push the ball a little bit more

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Speaker 1: down the field. And they are a different offense when

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Speaker 1: they have got her, DeVante Smith and AJ Brown on

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Speaker 1: the field together.

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Speaker 5: So they've only had for four games this season, including.

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Speaker 1: Right and they have it and I'm willing to accept

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Speaker 1: the idea that they didn't need it the offense that much.

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Speaker 1: Last week, little game Managy and it was Hurts coming

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Speaker 1: off of a long layoff that that was almost there,

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Speaker 1: like get into the playoffs type of game. You guys

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Speaker 1: kind of threw out that idea and maybe you'll see

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Speaker 1: a better version of the offense this week.

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Speaker 5: I think that's reasonable at least to hope for with

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Speaker 5: some degree of confidence. And listen, the last game, the

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Speaker 5: last full game that Jalen Hurts played before he got

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Speaker 5: injured in the Commander's game before this playoff game was

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Speaker 5: against the Steelers when he had his best passing performance

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Speaker 5: of the season. This was coming on the heels of

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Speaker 5: AJ Brown saying you know what's wrong, and he said

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Speaker 5: the passing game. And they came out the next week

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Speaker 5: and we're sort of bombs away and they had a

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Speaker 5: great first half throwing the ball, and so like oftentimes

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Speaker 5: we talk about the egos organization as being sort of

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Speaker 5: rabbit eared and like whatever, whatever the big conversation of

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Speaker 5: the week is, they tend to sort of address it

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Speaker 5: with their game script early on. And so I actually

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Speaker 5: do kind of think we're going to see some early

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Speaker 5: shots downfield, just just because that's what people have been

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Speaker 5: talking about. And again, I know that it's ridiculous that

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Speaker 5: we're like complaining about a team that is a six

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Speaker 5: and a half point favorite away from going to the

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Speaker 5: NFC Championship game, but the stakes are the stakes.

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Speaker 1: Well, everything else is so great on this team, and

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Speaker 1: that is why it is ridiculous that there is a

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Speaker 1: path to them being the twelfth best offense passing the

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Speaker 1: ball in the league and winning the Super Bowl. If

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Speaker 1: you're the best running team and you're the best defense,

1276
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 1: like that's a winning combination and your special teams don't

1277
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Speaker 1: blow it. And there's every.

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Speaker 5: Joke of there's the joke of because Jeffrey Lurry is

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01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 5: you know he wants a pass heavy offense, that is

1280
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Speaker 5: the joke, right, And so like they're at the Super

1281
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Speaker 5: Bowl parade, Jeffrey's like thanks, Nick, for winning the Super Bowl.

1282
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Speaker 5: But that's that's not how I wanted to do it. Like, well,

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Speaker 5: we'll see you next year, you know, hiring a new coach.

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Speaker 1: It is hilarious to look at the all time like

1285
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Speaker 1: winning percentage records of coaches in history, and like there's

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Speaker 1: Nick Sirianni right near the top, like he's been win

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Speaker 1: loss is a coaching record, you know, is a coaching

1288
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 1: stat and his his win loss record is incredible. And

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Speaker 1: now you know this is this is second chance to

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Speaker 1: make a Runny obviously had the one and done's a

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Speaker 1: couple of times in the playoffs, but four playoff appearances.

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Speaker 1: And I know we're not talking too much about the

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Speaker 1: Rams here. I think if the Rams defense before we

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Speaker 1: flip to the other side, is gonna win this game. There,

1295
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Speaker 1: they're linebackers have to hold up in the running game.

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01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: I think they looked a little small last time around.

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Speaker 1: That was an eye opening game. Our co host Jordan

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Speaker 1: Rodriege of The Athletic talked about that this was a

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Speaker 1: front that was maybe feeling themselves a little bit and

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Speaker 1: that was a humbling game for them. It kind of

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Speaker 1: was the bottom of a decline that they had in

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Speaker 1: terms of their young pass rushers and especially holding up

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Speaker 1: against the run, and they have bounced back pretty well

1304
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Speaker 1: since then. Now that might just be a matchup thing

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01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 1: where they got beat by a better team because Saquon

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Speaker 1: I mean, in that game, of course, he has some

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Speaker 1: crazy stats, but it's only a handful of times in

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Speaker 1: the next Gen stats era has a player had over

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Speaker 1: seventy five yards before contact in a game and one

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Speaker 1: hundred yards after contact in a game. So all the

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Speaker 1: Eagles numbers in terms of before contact are best in

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Speaker 1: the league. And this is a Rams front that you

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01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 1: can kind of push back and then say was also

1314
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Speaker 1: too physical a lot of times for this Rams defense.

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Speaker 1: So to me, they're just going to have to show up.

1316
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 1: And it's trite, but they're gonna have to be more

1317
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Speaker 1: physical like the Eagles defense was last week. Like they're

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Speaker 1: going to have to come out hitting and somehow make

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01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 1: up that that poundage gap that that we see in

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Speaker 1: a lot of these games this week. Bills are way

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01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 1: lighter than the Ravens, uh and I think the Rams

1322
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: are way lighter than the Eagles, And.

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Speaker 5: I think the Eagles will will lean into that physicality

1324
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Speaker 5: on both sides of the ball. They want to be

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Speaker 5: the team that is that is punching the other team

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Speaker 5: in the mouth. I mean, it's it's not a nice

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Speaker 5: thing to say, but they not. I mean they knocked

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Speaker 5: out like three Packers from the game last week to

1329
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Speaker 5: to wide receivers and Elton Jenkins, which changed the game

1330
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Speaker 5: because the Packers could not hold up in pass pro.

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Speaker 5: So I think the Eagles would in their minds welcome

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Speaker 5: that fight.

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Speaker 1: Right and I think the Rams defense has gotten better

1334
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 1: and better. Verse winning with power doesn't necessarily match up

1335
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Speaker 1: as well with.

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Speaker 5: There was the one player from that game where he

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01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 5: sort of ran over Jordan Mailatta. It was like a

1338
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 5: highlight play. But other than that, he was held quiet.

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01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: I think that was literally his only pressure. It was

1340
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 1: his quietest game of the season. But you do it.

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01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 1: It's it's a four man front. You have Kobe Turner,

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01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 1: you have Brandon Fist, it's a young group. You have

1343
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 1: Byron Young who's been sneaky awesome all year. I just

1344
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 1: think their only chance of winning this game or creating

1345
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure and forcing Jalen Hurts to hold

1346
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 1: the ball get confused. They got a little more creative

1347
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: last week with some of their disguised pressures, late blitzes.

1348
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 1: They really haven't been much of a creative defense throughout

1349
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 1: the season. But I think they saw what the Lions

1350
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 1: did and it's a darnold and copied it and maybe

1351
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 1: maybe that can work against Hurts too, who tends to

1352
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 1: hold the ball a little bit.

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01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 5: And take sacks. And to the conversation from before, what

1354
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 5: is a little bit disappointing of the Jalen Hurts experience

1355
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 5: is that for a guy who is as athletic and

1356
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 5: mobile as he is, it is true that the longer

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01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 5: the players go on it is he has a lower

1358
01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 5: success rate, which is a little bit surprising. He does

1359
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 5: not make a lot happen unless it's a scramble, you know,

1360
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 5: the longer heels onto the ball, so he takes a

1361
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 5: lot of sacks. And I do think that the Rams

1362
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 5: are going to be doing a lot of like rotation

1363
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 5: post snap to try to money the picture, because there

1364
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 5: was a lot of concern last week like how how

1365
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 5: rusty is Jalen Hurt's going to be? And I think

1366
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 5: that some of that plays out a little bit more

1367
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 5: in like what he's seeing than necessarily the way that

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Speaker 5: he's playing as a as a thrower, although there was

1369
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 5: some inaccuracy last week, which was a little bit atypical.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, he usually is on on point, I would

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01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 1: say with the ball, and I will point out though

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Speaker 1: I listened to your recap pod, I believe it was

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Speaker 1: and it was before you guys knew the opponents and

1374
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Speaker 1: you were talking about all the different opponents that you

1375
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Speaker 1: could face. I think there were three possibilities at the time.

1376
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Speaker 1: He didn't know if it could be the commander's rand.

1377
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Speaker 5: The overwhelming reaction was people wanted the rams.

1378
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 1: Yes, that that is that. Maybe it's just because of

1379
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 1: the experience the first time around, Sean McVay. I don't

1380
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 1: know if you're a big NFL Daily guy. I think

1381
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 1: there's some other people within the RAMS that are NFL

1382
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 1: Daily listeners. There's your there's your poster to put up

1383
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Speaker 1: O P H O Y.

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Speaker 5: They all want responds.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's better than Dan Campbell just telling Kevin

1386
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 1: O'Connell will see you in two weeks. That was the

1387
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Speaker 1: most ridiculous bulletin board material ever. I mean O'Connell didn't

1388
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Speaker 1: even say. O'Connell was probably thinking, oh, yeah, I'm not

1389
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 1: getting through another game with Sam Darnold.

1390
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Speaker 7: Like this.

1391
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 1: This this guy's turned into a pumpkin. So you got

1392
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 1: your wish, you got your Rams, and yet like this

1393
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 1: is a rare offense that the Rams are running when

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Speaker 1: when it's clicking, they have the better quarterback in this

1395
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 1: game when it's when it's clicking. He's been a little

1396
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 1: up and down, but on balance he's been better and

1397
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 1: certainly at his best, I think he's better that then

1398
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 1: Jalen hurts and it's a passing attack that you know,

1399
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Speaker 1: maybe could give this Eagles defense and problems.

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Speaker 5: Yes, and so the big concern for the Eagles this

1401
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 5: week is the loss of the Kobe Dean who suffered

1402
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 5: a torn penteller tendon in that Wildcard round game, and

1403
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:07,920
Speaker 5: he's probably going to be replaced by Oron Burks, who

1404
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 5: replaced him in that game. Vic Fanjo said this week

1405
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 5: that Jeremiah Chrotter Junior, the fifth round rookie, might rotate

1406
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 5: in there as well. But that's going to be the

1407
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 5: weak spot that I think everybody in Philadelphia is worried

1408
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 5: that Sean McVay is going to pick on and Zach Bond,

1409
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:26,679
Speaker 5: who has had this unbelievable all pro season. Vic Fangil

1410
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:28,840
Speaker 5: likes to sort of rotate Zach Bond down to the

1411
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 5: line of scrimmage and sort of change the math of

1412
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 5: the fronts. And if you do that, then all of

1413
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 5: a sudden, Aaron Burks or Jeremiah Trotter Junior is left

1414
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 5: alone in the middle of the field. And that's not

1415
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 5: going to be an ideal matchup in terms of having

1416
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 5: to cover anybody with the misdirection of the Rams offense.

1417
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Speaker 5: And so I think that is the big concern. And

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01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 5: in that first matchup, you know, there's there's so much

1419
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 5: said about the history between Vic vanjo and Sean McVay, right,

1420
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 5: and how it's sort of changed the landscape of the

1421
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 5: NFL for a few years. I know Jordan has covered

1422
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 5: that better than anybody.

1423
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 1: Yes, back in the in the in the the Heastriots

1424
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:05,800
Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl when the Bears put that five

1425
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 1: in front, and yes, Zach Bond. That's why I think,

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01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 1: man if I had a vote, he really might have

1427
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 1: been like valuable. He really might have been the most

1428
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:15,799
Speaker 1: valuable because he was the guy who kind of unlocked

1429
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 1: their ability to flip between defenses like that twenty eighteen

1430
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Speaker 1: Bears team was able to do.

1431
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:23,599
Speaker 5: Yes, and he's also been really good in the middle

1432
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 5: of the field, like you saw his interception of Jordan

1433
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 5: Love last week, and he talked about how like he

1434
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 5: had to sort of earn the Vic Fanjo trust to

1435
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:31,640
Speaker 5: be able to freelance a little bit like that. So

1436
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:33,599
Speaker 5: I'm curious to see what Fanjo does in the middle

1437
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 5: of the field. But even though Fanjo has has mostly

1438
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 5: gotten the better of Sean McVay that first matchup, you know,

1439
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:42,559
Speaker 5: it looked like a blowout, but there were three three

1440
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 5: and outs in the middle of that game. But other

1441
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 5: than that, like the opening script, the Rams went down

1442
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 5: the field, no third downs, went right down the field

1443
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:52,000
Speaker 5: into the Eagles red zone, and then Kyen Williams FuMB

1444
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 5: with the ball away. Next possession, went right down the field,

1445
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 5: scored a touchdown without even needing a third down, and

1446
01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 5: they moved the ball in the second half as well,

1447
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 5: And so this was not quite as demonstrative a blowout

1448
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 5: on that side of the balls as it might have

1449
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 5: looked in the stats.

1450
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 1: No, the success rates of the two offenses were very even.

1451
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 1: And there is there is something about Stafford that is scary.

1452
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 1: He kind of just goes into this fu mode and

1453
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:24,679
Speaker 1: he is a streaky quarterback and he can beat good coverage.

1454
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 1: Now that they're a team that does more motion than

1455
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 1: just about any team in the league. The numbers say

1456
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:32,639
Speaker 1: that the Eagles are the best at handling motion. They're

1457
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 1: the best that they don't chase it, they just they

1458
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 1: play their keys right. So they're very disciplined, like they're well. Coach,

1459
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 1: how has been coach covering Vic Fangio. I feel like

1460
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 1: he's made less way less headlines this year.

1461
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 5: He's a dream. Yeah, why because he's He's brutally honest.

1462
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:54,760
Speaker 5: He doesn't worry about, you know, the obfuscation of like, well,

1463
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:56,639
Speaker 5: I don't know, we had to decide. We haven't made

1464
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 5: that choice yet. He'll tell you exactly the truth. I mean,

1465
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 5: Bryce Huff, the guy who they signed for like seventeen

1466
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:05,559
Speaker 5: billion dollars, played one snap last week, and you know

1467
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 5: he was asked about that. He's like, well, we were

1468
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:09,720
Speaker 5: good with our three men rotation. We didn't need him.

1469
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 1: Like he's fine, Yeah, they should be good. They got

1470
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:17,759
Speaker 1: Nolan Smith who's playing like at a pro Bowl level.

1471
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Speaker 4: Now.

1472
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 5: I cannot remember ever covering someone who I feel like

1473
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 5: has improved in season as much as as Dylan Smith

1474
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 5: has this year.

1475
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you have him, you have Josh Suat who's

1476
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 1: been very effective. I do think that that Eagles game

1477
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:36,639
Speaker 1: with the Rams is interesting to look back on because

1478
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 1: it really changed the Rams season. They were just getting

1479
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:46,679
Speaker 1: their offensive line back, they thought for the first time

1480
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 1: and healthy, and they played so poorly in that game

1481
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 1: that they actually went back to the undrafted rookie bow

1482
01:11:55,000 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 1: Limmer at center every game since and benched. Now I'm

1483
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 1: blanking on his name, not ragnow bench their big free

1484
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 1: agent pickup from the Lions, and they've gone with the

1485
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:13,000
Speaker 1: same offense. Jonah Jackson right and played center that game.

1486
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 1: They've had him on the bench. He's making like twenty

1487
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 1: million dollars a year, very similar to Bryce Huff. He's

1488
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 1: not playing. They're going with the undrafted rookie at center.

1489
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 1: You get Avula over at guard, and they've played quite

1490
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:29,559
Speaker 1: well in terms of protecting Stafford and especially running the ball.

1491
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 1: Since then, they've they've had one of the highest success

1492
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:34,679
Speaker 1: rates in the league with Kyrien Williams. And I still

1493
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 1: do think that's ultimately the way to get at this

1494
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:41,560
Speaker 1: Eagles defense is just be patient and get foward of

1495
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 1: five yard runs and be diverse doing it. And I

1496
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:47,160
Speaker 1: think actually the Rams about as much as any team

1497
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 1: in the NFL, are set up to do that, to

1498
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:52,919
Speaker 1: try to go on some twelve play drives where Stafford

1499
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:56,840
Speaker 1: doesn't make mistakes and it's very run in play action based,

1500
01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 1: and so I think that could be a concern. And

1501
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:01,879
Speaker 1: I'm almost shorten't in the games as an underdog.

1502
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think the fewer possessions in this

1503
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 5: game the better for the Rams, no doubt about it.

1504
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:06,760
Speaker 4: I do.

1505
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 5: I think the Eagles run defense. They feel very good

1506
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:10,800
Speaker 5: about their run defense. I mean, if it is the

1507
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:12,479
Speaker 5: kind of thing where it's three yards of pop and

1508
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 5: they're just converting third and shorts, you know they'll they'll

1509
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:17,640
Speaker 5: have to do that. But I don't worry about the

1510
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 5: Eagles getting run over really in the running game. I mean,

1511
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:23,240
Speaker 5: Josh Jacobs had that great run last week, and to

1512
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:25,479
Speaker 5: be fair, there were a few more mistackles last week

1513
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 5: from the Eagles than we have been used to seeing

1514
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 5: the second half of the season. But upfront, I think

1515
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:32,320
Speaker 5: I think they feel very confident about it about winning.

1516
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:34,680
Speaker 1: Them Well, They're good at everything, so there's no like

1517
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:38,759
Speaker 1: particular weakness. They're they're deep in the secondary, they're healthy

1518
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 1: right now, right every everyone's practicing in the secondary.

1519
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:44,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, Sleigh was a little bit nicked up in that game,

1520
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:45,439
Speaker 5: but he's not going to miss this.

1521
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 7: Game, right.

1522
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 1: So the matchups are fascinating what you do to try

1523
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 1: to take out Pukakua and it's tough because he's in motion.

1524
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 1: Because there is no more offense in the league that's

1525
01:13:56,760 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 1: that's more focused than one player than the Rams are.

1526
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 1: Which is why I think Tyler Higby showing up last

1527
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 1: week and they say he's going to play this week

1528
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 1: after he was spitting up blood and went to the hospital,

1529
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, yeah, he's playing this week. He looks fine.

1530
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 1: Football football is insane that he is important for them

1531
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:19,960
Speaker 1: because Cooper Cup's not really a two anymore. He's just

1532
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 1: like a rotational kind of receiver. I'm not going to

1533
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 1: say he's Johan Dotson, but this is probably his his

1534
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:29,559
Speaker 1: last game as a RAM. You know, if they don't.

1535
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 5: Win, it interesting and you know, you talk about how

1536
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 5: the Ram season was changed. Eagles defense was sort of

1537
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 5: changed after the bye when Cooper Degen took over as

1538
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 5: as their nickel corner and they've been so much better

1539
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:43,800
Speaker 5: and what he's allowed them to do is stay in

1540
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 5: nickel personnel and still defend the run really really well

1541
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:49,719
Speaker 5: because because of his willingness to be to be physical.

1542
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 1: M how are like, where are you leaning for this?

1543
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 1: You're not allowed to pick against the Eagles in this game,

1544
01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 1: but you have do you have them covering the spread?

1545
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:03,680
Speaker 1: I was a little surprised that they were so heavily favored,

1546
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:05,160
Speaker 1: uh in this game.

1547
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:09,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I'm leaning towards towards the Eagles covering

1548
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:12,360
Speaker 5: the spread, but uh, the fact that I'm living, I mean,

1549
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 5: it's a it's a typical thing. I'm leaning that way.

1550
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 5: So now I'm worried that it's going to go the

1551
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:17,680
Speaker 5: other way. But I do I think the offense, I

1552
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 5: think the passing game is going to bounce back a

1553
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 5: little bit. I think the Rams will be able to

1554
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 5: move the ball better than the Packers did last week.

1555
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:26,880
Speaker 5: But but I'm expecting, you know, uh, just a frothing

1556
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 5: Eagles crowd. Uh, you know, it might it might snow.

1557
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 5: Now for this game, it's gonna be twenty degrees and

1558
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 5: so I'm gonna I'm gonna just tilt tilted towards the Eagles.

1559
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the Rams history of of going east, Uh,

1560
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:42,720
Speaker 1: you know.

1561
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:44,760
Speaker 5: I can also see the you know, I can I

1562
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:48,760
Speaker 5: can see the the Jordan postgame story about how Sean

1563
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:52,559
Speaker 5: McVay has finally slain the vic Fangio Giant, and like,

1564
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 5: you know, this is this was this was how many

1565
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 5: years coming.

1566
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:57,680
Speaker 1: Look, it would make it would make the women in

1567
01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 1: my house happy. You know, they're they're Rams fan I

1568
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 1: and I thought this going into the game. I picked

1569
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 1: the Rams and I thought they might win. You know,

1570
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:10,240
Speaker 1: I think I had them by six or something like

1571
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:12,439
Speaker 1: that against the vik I just thought that was going

1572
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 1: to be their moment, that that was going to be

1573
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:17,439
Speaker 1: their emotional It's been a lot out here. They were

1574
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 1: personally affected. It's indoors, you know, against this Vikings team,

1575
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 1: who I personally think they wanted to play that They

1576
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:29,720
Speaker 1: literally were like looking at the matchups and thinking, oh,

1577
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:32,360
Speaker 1: I hope we get the Vikings and felt good about

1578
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 1: And now it's a short week and it's not I

1579
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 1: know it's the playoffs, but it is a short week.

1580
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 1: You're on the road, it's cold. You put a lot

1581
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 1: into that, and you look at these two teams, they're

1582
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 1: not even like over the course of the season, they're

1583
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 1: not even That's what the numbers are telling you. They're

1584
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 1: telling you that the Eagles are one of the very

1585
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:52,440
Speaker 1: best teams in the league, and that the Rams offense

1586
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 1: has come and gone, and that the defense has been

1587
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:59,360
Speaker 1: opportunistic considering what they have. But they're a little uneven.

1588
01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:02,200
Speaker 1: They're very front loaded in the in the back seven

1589
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:04,559
Speaker 1: can be taken advantage of. But who knows, maybe maybe

1590
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:06,400
Speaker 1: this Eagles passing game. To go back to what we

1591
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:08,600
Speaker 1: talked about, they're not the team to take advantage and

1592
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 1: they can keep it close. I'm leaning on the Eagles covering. Actually, yeah,

1593
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 1: maybe Jill.

1594
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 5: You know, Jalen Hurts hasn't turned the ball over, and

1595
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 5: maybe he turns the ball over. I think the Eagles

1596
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:21,200
Speaker 5: need to lean into being the bad guy, like being

1597
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:24,800
Speaker 5: in the playoffs, because I mean, everybody, every neutral person

1598
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:27,000
Speaker 5: is going to be rooting for the Rams. I would be,

1599
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:30,040
Speaker 5: given everything that they have gone through. If the Eagles

1600
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:32,600
Speaker 5: get then get to the NFC Championship game, I mean,

1601
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 5: everybody's going to be rooting for the Lion.

1602
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:36,599
Speaker 1: I mean even more so than the Rams, as much

1603
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:37,959
Speaker 1: as I'm sure everyone has simple.

1604
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 5: And if they get to the Super Bowl against the

1605
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 5: Bills of the Ravens, if it's one of those teams.

1606
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 5: I mean, in twenty seventeen, the Eagles were the plucky underdogs.

1607
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 5: Everybody's rooting for him against against your Patriots. You know,

1608
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:51,400
Speaker 5: everybody thinks, like Nick Sirianni jawing on the sidelines is

1609
01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:53,800
Speaker 5: like a hatable thing. They've got CJ. Gardner Johnson and

1610
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:56,679
Speaker 5: Carter john and people. I think they need to lean

1611
01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:59,800
Speaker 5: into being the big bad like, you know, yeah, some

1612
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 5: real stuff.

1613
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:05,120
Speaker 1: I've loved the Chauncey Gardner Johnson I don't know, want

1614
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:07,200
Speaker 1: to say revival, but he wasn't that good this year

1615
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 1: for a lot of the season, and suddenly at the

1616
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 1: end of the season he's in the middle of everything.

1617
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 1: He's making plays, he's gying like he's getting thrown out

1618
01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:17,519
Speaker 1: of games. This is perfect, Like I want this playoff run.

1619
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:19,920
Speaker 1: You're absolutely like right, lean into it. The only way

1620
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 1: that doesn't work is if there's a Chiefs rematch in

1621
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:24,680
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, which I don't is the matchup that

1622
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 1: no one really wants a we've seen.

1623
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 5: It b it includes.

1624
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:32,120
Speaker 1: The Chiefs, and then see it's like, yeah, the Eagles

1625
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:34,919
Speaker 1: are just the team compared to the others. You're absolutely

1626
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:37,720
Speaker 1: right that just like, yeah, it's like, Okay, that's fine.

1627
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:39,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's no more there's no more national juice. I think,

1628
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 5: given given the fun stories of all the other real contenders.

1629
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:45,320
Speaker 1: They're juice. It's just like, why, why why do the

1630
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:47,599
Speaker 1: Eagles fans got to be so hate heable? I love them,

1631
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 1: I love you guys, but just like enjoy enjoy your life,

1632
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 1: you know, enjoy your team. You're the envy of many

1633
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:58,680
Speaker 1: other teams, Like we should be getting Alec Halby your

1634
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:02,479
Speaker 1: assistant a job out there. And the only interview I

1635
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 1: can get is with the Jets like him in fifteen.

1636
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 5: Others and the interview like seventeen guys.

1637
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:10,720
Speaker 1: I mean, look at this roster. They're like a dynasty

1638
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:12,880
Speaker 1: with sirianni as their coach. You know how good you

1639
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 1: have to make that.

1640
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:14,679
Speaker 5: You know what I was actually I was actually looking

1641
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 5: something up on that. On that point. The Eagles are

1642
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 5: the only team. So if you if you start in

1643
01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 5: twenty twenty when they flamed out had and Doug Pearson

1644
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:26,240
Speaker 5: gets fired, they won four games, so twenty twenty to

1645
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 5: twenty twenty four total wins, and then also draft pick

1646
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:36,160
Speaker 5: like value based on the trade charts that they've used

1647
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 5: over that time. Given all the moves that they've made,

1648
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 5: they're the only team that's in like the top ten

1649
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:43,640
Speaker 5: of both of those things based on like all the

1650
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 5: things that they have done. You know, there was the

1651
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 5: Carson Wentz trade, the Saints trade, and that doesn't even

1652
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 5: factor in the AJ Brown acquisition, and so, I mean,

1653
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:54,800
Speaker 5: they really have done something unique over the past four

1654
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:57,880
Speaker 5: years with being able to win and have all that

1655
01:19:57,960 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 5: draft equity with their roster.

1656
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 1: They're the best in the league. They really are. The

1657
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:05,840
Speaker 1: problem is it's a quarterback league, and of the eight

1658
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:11,639
Speaker 1: quarterbacks remaining, the only one I'd put Hurts over right

1659
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:12,240
Speaker 1: now is C. J.

1660
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:12,799
Speaker 4: Stroud.

1661
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:15,120
Speaker 1: And that's just how they're playing right now. And even

1662
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:18,320
Speaker 1: that's like long term, I'm definitely taking Stroud And if

1663
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 1: you told me this week he plays at like his

1664
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:23,280
Speaker 1: ceiling is probably higher even this weekend than maybe Hurts

1665
01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:25,479
Speaker 1: his is. And so that's that's just like a small

1666
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:27,840
Speaker 1: little thing to overcome. But they are a juggernaut. I

1667
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:29,880
Speaker 1: want to see him in the NFC Championship game ultimately,

1668
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:32,760
Speaker 1: because I think that will be an awesome game as

1669
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:34,960
Speaker 1: long as it's not Eagles Commanders. But I want to

1670
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:36,599
Speaker 1: see that Lions.

1671
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:38,479
Speaker 5: I have felt all year long like it was headed

1672
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 5: towards that game. I'm going to feel robbed if we

1673
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:43,640
Speaker 5: don't get to actually see Eagles Lions. Yes, yes, I

1674
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 5: think we for that game all year.

1675
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 1: I want to see it, and it's it'd be good

1676
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:49,080
Speaker 1: for your business. It's going to be good for your

1677
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 1: co host, Zach Bermans.

1678
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:52,840
Speaker 5: I might, I might, I might kidnap Zack and will

1679
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:54,559
Speaker 5: do a road trip to Detroit. I'm kind of like

1680
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:56,680
Speaker 5: threatening him with that possibility.

1681
01:20:57,080 --> 01:20:59,640
Speaker 1: That would be amazing. Check out bow Wolf. You can

1682
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:02,400
Speaker 1: get see him on all the socials. He's on Blue Sky,

1683
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:05,160
Speaker 1: He's on Twitter, but most importantly, go check out the

1684
01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:09,439
Speaker 1: Pha Why Eagles podcast. Like Fran Duffy on that show,

1685
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:12,960
Speaker 1: you got Vinnie Curry who adds a lot of spice

1686
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:15,760
Speaker 1: to it, a lot of voices, we will see you

1687
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 1: and yeah, good luck because I know it's good for business.

1688
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:20,240
Speaker 1: Now you have to root for the home team.

1689
01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:22,559
Speaker 5: I would never do that, but it would be good

1690
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:23,080
Speaker 5: for business.

1691
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:25,800
Speaker 1: Will be back after the break. We're gonna wrap up

1692
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 1: our previews, talking a little Lions and Commanders. Right after

1693
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:45,440
Speaker 1: this back on NFL Daily, wrapping up this supersized divisional

1694
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 1: round weekend, preview with the man from ESPY Nation, JP

1695
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:57,559
Speaker 1: Acosta with me to talk a little Commanders Lions. JP

1696
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:01,599
Speaker 1: one of the sharpest football minds out there. He's he's

1697
01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:05,400
Speaker 1: on Blue Sky, which I appreciate posting heavily like myself.

1698
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 1: But he's on Twitter too, and yeah, you can check

1699
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:12,960
Speaker 1: out his Established the Fun column every Wednesday, I believe it.

1700
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:17,000
Speaker 1: It comes out and it's awesome. JP is a really

1701
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 1: smart young minds, but not as young as you were

1702
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:21,920
Speaker 1: the first time he came on JP. What's up?

1703
01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:22,640
Speaker 2: You know?

1704
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:25,280
Speaker 8: Actually, I feel good that I'm not the youngest this

1705
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:29,880
Speaker 8: time person. This time I have grown, but I have also,

1706
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:32,639
Speaker 8: like you said, right and established fun every week. I'm

1707
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:36,320
Speaker 8: really excited for this divisional round playoff visual round the playoffs.

1708
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:39,000
Speaker 8: I kind of did this last week where I was like,

1709
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 8: I don't know what I want to talk about, so

1710
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 8: I'm just gonna talk about everything. So this week, I

1711
01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:44,960
Speaker 8: was like, I don't know what I want to talk about,

1712
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:46,360
Speaker 8: so I'm just going to talk about everything.

1713
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:49,360
Speaker 1: Let's do it. We're going to talk about everything. I'm

1714
01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:51,960
Speaker 1: narrowing you down related to this game. And yes, for

1715
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 1: the other guests we had on JP, we're kind of

1716
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 1: team specific guests. But I know you can talk ball

1717
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:01,559
Speaker 1: about anything, so that that's a compliment to you. You're

1718
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:05,479
Speaker 1: not directly connected with this Commander's team or this Lions team,

1719
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 1: and yet there's so many fascinating ways to look at it.

1720
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:12,120
Speaker 1: I want to start. Let's talk about Jayden and the

1721
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:15,800
Speaker 1: Washington offense first. When you look at this matchup, you

1722
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 1: think about what the Lions defense likes to do. It's

1723
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 1: so man coverage heavy. They kind of do what they do.

1724
01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 1: They blitz like crazy. They blitz even more and more effectively.

1725
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 1: You know, over the last half of the season, you

1726
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:33,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't figure it's going to change up too much because

1727
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:35,760
Speaker 1: they don't change up what they do against anyone. And

1728
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 1: yet Jaden Daniels very good against the blitz, a good

1729
01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:41,720
Speaker 1: decision maker in general. Kind of how do you think

1730
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:45,160
Speaker 1: that chess match with the pressure is going to play out?

1731
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:48,160
Speaker 8: So I think this matchup is so interesting because of

1732
01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 8: how largely the Commander's offense is Jaden Daniels centric. It

1733
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:56,800
Speaker 8: operates on Jadeen Daniels scrambles. You're able to move the

1734
01:23:56,840 --> 01:23:59,280
Speaker 8: ball because Jayden can run it and his growth as

1735
01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 8: a passer. I think for the Lions. I'm not sure

1736
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:04,280
Speaker 8: if I would blitz him as much because you're leaving

1737
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:07,280
Speaker 8: those lanes open to scramble, but I kind of talked

1738
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:08,960
Speaker 8: about it for a established fun This is going to

1739
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:11,640
Speaker 8: be a big game for Jack Campbell and Alex Azeloni,

1740
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 8: who are the two perfect guys that you want for

1741
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 8: the situation. I think they kind of play off each

1742
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:19,680
Speaker 8: other really well. I think Angeloni will take more of

1743
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:22,479
Speaker 8: the zach Ertz matchups in past coverage, and I think

1744
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:25,559
Speaker 8: Jack Campbell will have the unfortunate duty of trying to

1745
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:28,439
Speaker 8: spy Jay and Daniels. But this game is going to

1746
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 8: be so interesting because there are so many different variables

1747
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 8: at play for this Lions defense. Because the Commander's offense

1748
01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 8: is built to take advantage of teams like these that

1749
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:41,599
Speaker 8: are a little undermanned at corner. You're a little undermanned

1750
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:43,720
Speaker 8: up front, so you gotta blitz a lot, and you

1751
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:46,400
Speaker 8: just worry about leaving the door open for the Jay

1752
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:46,880
Speaker 8: and Daniels.

1753
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:50,120
Speaker 1: Terry McLaurin goball right with you. You mentioned it's just

1754
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:52,600
Speaker 1: built around one guy in such a unique way. I

1755
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:56,439
Speaker 1: think Cliff Kingsbury has had his best year as an

1756
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:59,439
Speaker 1: NFL coach you know, coordinating this offense and just at

1757
01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:01,639
Speaker 1: the moment you think thought it was getting Staley. They

1758
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 1: added some new wrinkles late in the year and he's

1759
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:07,639
Speaker 1: looked really good. And you know, if you get into

1760
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:09,920
Speaker 1: a situation where it's a single high safety like he's

1761
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:12,320
Speaker 1: thrown to McLaurin, you said, it's like so based around

1762
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:14,800
Speaker 1: one guy. I wrote a very similar note that I

1763
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:19,840
Speaker 1: just can't remember a good offense being so much about

1764
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:24,839
Speaker 1: two guys that it really is McLaurin. And last week

1765
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:27,519
Speaker 1: we saw kind of the deep crossers. He can do anything,

1766
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:29,799
Speaker 1: but that hasn't been as big a part of their offense.

1767
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 1: And you start the game with the big shot down

1768
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:36,559
Speaker 1: the field. It really does come down to that. And

1769
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 1: even on like the RPO kind of slant game, you

1770
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:43,200
Speaker 1: just could see them feeding McLaurin like that. What do

1771
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 1: you think the matchup there is to try to slow

1772
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:48,160
Speaker 1: down scary Terry because it's been tough.

1773
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:52,839
Speaker 8: I think you tell a Meek Robertson that Terry McLaurin

1774
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:56,000
Speaker 8: wears eighteen like Justin Jefferson, and you just you just

1775
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:59,160
Speaker 8: let him go. I think this team, they are so

1776
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:02,600
Speaker 8: built in who they are and what they are. It's admirable,

1777
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 8: but I also think they have guys who can thrive

1778
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:08,439
Speaker 8: in these situations. They have a guy like a Meek

1779
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:11,559
Speaker 8: Robertson who they signed off the street and immediately became

1780
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:13,200
Speaker 8: their CB one as.

1781
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 7: Carlton Davis went down.

1782
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:17,519
Speaker 8: I think, like I said, having Jack Campbell and Alex

1783
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:20,200
Speaker 8: Angeloni back will help shore up some of the middle

1784
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:22,559
Speaker 8: of the field issues. I don't think some of that

1785
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:24,200
Speaker 8: access over the middle of the field will be the

1786
01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:28,200
Speaker 8: same like the Commanders had against the Buccaneers. But I

1787
01:26:28,240 --> 01:26:31,040
Speaker 8: think for the Lions to win this game, something that

1788
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:34,519
Speaker 8: I noticed with Jane Daniels is he's still a little

1789
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 8: bit of boom or bust when it comes to pressure.

1790
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:41,320
Speaker 8: He has a great touchdown rate, really really explosive, but

1791
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:44,080
Speaker 8: he also has a high sack rate and also a

1792
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 8: higher interception rate. But that's the variance game you play

1793
01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:48,920
Speaker 8: when you have a guy who can throw the deep

1794
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:51,840
Speaker 8: ball and can scramble as well as Daniels. So something

1795
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:54,479
Speaker 8: that I've always wondered with the Lions against these types

1796
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:57,920
Speaker 8: of quarterbacks is do you just lean into the variance

1797
01:26:58,000 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 8: game and say, hey, if you want to beat us

1798
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:03,719
Speaker 8: running around and throwing the ball, like insane, like we'll

1799
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:05,519
Speaker 8: throw our hands up, we'll tip our cap and say

1800
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:07,240
Speaker 8: that that's fine, but we're not going.

1801
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:09,880
Speaker 7: To change our game in the most important time of

1802
01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 7: the season.

1803
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:14,240
Speaker 1: That's a really interesting point. And yeah, his scrambles, according

1804
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:16,840
Speaker 1: to next Gen by far led the NFL. He had

1805
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:19,519
Speaker 1: more than six hundred yards in scrambles, So it actually

1806
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:22,120
Speaker 1: wasn't a ton on design runs in terms of where

1807
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:25,920
Speaker 1: he got his production. You're right, takes a lot of sacks.

1808
01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:28,799
Speaker 1: And yet I do think he's a good game manager.

1809
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:33,400
Speaker 1: He seems to know have that innate sense that very rare.

1810
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 1: Do you see this out of a quarterback, out of

1811
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:38,400
Speaker 1: a rookie quarterback? Almost never Joe Burrow maybe had that,

1812
01:27:38,439 --> 01:27:40,160
Speaker 1: although you know he was injured for part of his

1813
01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 1: rookie year. Is just he seems very calculated in when

1814
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:47,240
Speaker 1: to go for things, when not to go for things.

1815
01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:50,200
Speaker 1: And I am curious how patient he'll be in the

1816
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 1: pocket in this game, because like he left, he leaves

1817
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:56,640
Speaker 1: early a couple of times, you know against Tampa, and

1818
01:27:56,680 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 1: I think the matchup's kind of similar that I think

1819
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:03,439
Speaker 1: they'll they'll he'll have time because most quarterbacks do have

1820
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:06,280
Speaker 1: time against Detroit, So it's when does he want to

1821
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:07,960
Speaker 1: pull it and go? When does he want to hang

1822
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:10,720
Speaker 1: in the pocket, And like he had with the touchdown throw,

1823
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:12,639
Speaker 1: where he had all the time in the pocket, and

1824
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:15,160
Speaker 1: that'll be really important. And even though he's a rookie,

1825
01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:16,640
Speaker 1: I got a lot of faith in him to kind

1826
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 1: of figure it out. Even if he makes a bad

1827
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:21,920
Speaker 1: decision or too, he usually calibrates it so well. It's

1828
01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:23,000
Speaker 1: very veteran.

1829
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:27,160
Speaker 8: Like it's very like you said, calculated. Even with the scrambles,

1830
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:30,800
Speaker 8: it never feels frantic. It feels like, Okay, there's nothing there.

1831
01:28:31,160 --> 01:28:33,280
Speaker 8: I'm gonna go get enough dyne for first down and

1832
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:35,880
Speaker 8: I'll step out of bounce or it's a okay, there's

1833
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:38,320
Speaker 8: a free runner. I'm just gonna run right around him

1834
01:28:38,439 --> 01:28:40,439
Speaker 8: and then I'll get the first down. It never feels

1835
01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:44,839
Speaker 8: like he's doing any of this without the intention of Okay,

1836
01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:47,600
Speaker 8: nothing's there, I gotta go, rather than a lot of

1837
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:51,000
Speaker 8: young quarterbacks kind of kind of tense up and kind

1838
01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:52,360
Speaker 8: of panic at the side the pressure.

1839
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 7: He gets the pressure, he's like, Okay, I know where

1840
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:55,720
Speaker 7: I'm going with this.

1841
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:58,240
Speaker 8: I know that this offense has it built in that

1842
01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:00,840
Speaker 8: I can just go if I feel the pressure and

1843
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:02,439
Speaker 8: I can and I can get that first down.

1844
01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:05,120
Speaker 1: It's funny you mentioned Campbell before. I don't know if

1845
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:09,240
Speaker 1: we've talked much about Jack Campbell on this show. The

1846
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:12,920
Speaker 1: Lions get a lot of pop for surprising people with

1847
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:17,000
Speaker 1: that Jamir Gibbs pick and the Campbell pick got criticized.

1848
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:19,720
Speaker 1: Where are you at with some Jack Campbell right now?

1849
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:21,639
Speaker 1: Because it's funny you say that like that. He would

1850
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:24,240
Speaker 1: be the spy and he is kind of a perfect

1851
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:26,320
Speaker 1: person to do that stuff for any linebacker to have

1852
01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:29,040
Speaker 1: that athleticism. But that is good for his role, Like

1853
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:29,519
Speaker 1: do you do?

1854
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:30,120
Speaker 2: You do you?

1855
01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:32,160
Speaker 1: Where do you think he is in his development as

1856
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 1: a second year linebacker?

1857
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:36,559
Speaker 8: I think I think the best thing for Jack Campbell

1858
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 8: was losing Angeloni to that broken arm earlier in the season,

1859
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:42,240
Speaker 8: because he stepped into the mic role and he took

1860
01:29:42,240 --> 01:29:44,519
Speaker 8: on a little bit more responsibility. I think he's a

1861
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:47,000
Speaker 8: hammer in the run game. He does so much when

1862
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:51,120
Speaker 8: it comes to both inside and outside the tackles, and

1863
01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:54,320
Speaker 8: he's so much quicker to the ball this season, and

1864
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:57,639
Speaker 8: he's he's a good blitzer. I mean early in his career,

1865
01:29:57,680 --> 01:29:59,880
Speaker 8: they had him rushing off the edge because they had

1866
01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:03,240
Speaker 8: at that stage in his career. But now that he's

1867
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:05,000
Speaker 8: playing off ball, you can kind of use him in

1868
01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:07,439
Speaker 8: a lot of different ways. And he and Angelone play

1869
01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:10,200
Speaker 8: off each other really well. Whereas Anzeloni's a little bit

1870
01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:13,080
Speaker 8: more coverage, a little better in coverage. You can have

1871
01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:16,400
Speaker 8: Jack Campbell be sort of the hammer on all of

1872
01:30:16,439 --> 01:30:19,160
Speaker 8: these stunts in all the games that Aaron Glenn's gonna

1873
01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:21,479
Speaker 8: want to play, or if you want to just sit

1874
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:23,560
Speaker 8: back and kind of let him spy or play a

1875
01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:25,479
Speaker 8: little or play a little bit of an aggressive spy

1876
01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:28,160
Speaker 8: against Daniels, he can do that as well.

1877
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:32,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting they missed Angeloni so much, and they

1878
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:36,000
Speaker 1: also missed Derek Barnes, who was a really nice presence

1879
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:38,720
Speaker 1: for them at linebacker. But Campbell's gotten better and better.

1880
01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:40,800
Speaker 1: That's this is why JP's the best. I mean, I

1881
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:42,880
Speaker 1: don't know for he's got thirty two teams to cover.

1882
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:44,519
Speaker 1: I don't know for sure if he's got a great

1883
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:47,640
Speaker 1: Jack Campbell answer. But he comes, he comes prepared, he

1884
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:50,519
Speaker 1: comes ready. I ultimately think this is a good matchup

1885
01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:56,000
Speaker 1: for the Lion's defense relatively, because I do. I mean,

1886
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:58,839
Speaker 1: this is I guess this is true for any defense.

1887
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:03,280
Speaker 1: But I think like a diverse deep receiver crew with

1888
01:31:03,439 --> 01:31:07,040
Speaker 1: a real deal quarterback that can spread around is probably

1889
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:09,200
Speaker 1: the offense that's going to give them the most amount

1890
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:11,720
Speaker 1: of problems. And then when you flip it to the

1891
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:14,280
Speaker 1: other side, it does feel like Washington's gonna have to

1892
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:16,280
Speaker 1: try to keep up in a shootout.

1893
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:16,439
Speaker 4: Now.

1894
01:31:16,439 --> 01:31:18,720
Speaker 1: They won a high scoring game against Philadelphia, it took

1895
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:21,200
Speaker 1: them a while to get going. That's happened a few times.

1896
01:31:21,200 --> 01:31:23,759
Speaker 1: They want to shootout against Cincinnati. It is a route

1897
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:26,840
Speaker 1: that they could be competitive and win a game with.

1898
01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:29,800
Speaker 1: But I do think that that's going to have to

1899
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:33,920
Speaker 1: be the route because flipping to the other side. I

1900
01:31:33,960 --> 01:31:37,559
Speaker 1: know I've sort of dismissed this Commander's defense at times

1901
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:41,879
Speaker 1: this year, and they've played hard and they're pretty sound,

1902
01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:45,679
Speaker 1: I think, but just talent wise and answers and where

1903
01:31:45,720 --> 01:31:48,320
Speaker 1: they at are at and Dan Quinn's first year versus

1904
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:51,760
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell's fourth that other side of the ball. I

1905
01:31:51,800 --> 01:31:55,320
Speaker 1: could be wrong. Feels like the biggest mismatch of Divisional

1906
01:31:55,439 --> 01:31:59,240
Speaker 1: Round weekend is Lions offense versus Commanders defense.

1907
01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:04,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, I especially if David Montgomery is healthy. They said

1908
01:32:04,200 --> 01:32:06,879
Speaker 8: he was a full participant and walks through if he plays,

1909
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:10,840
Speaker 8: you just worry about them having too many answers for everything,

1910
01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:15,320
Speaker 8: something that Washington is not that great in past coverage.

1911
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:17,040
Speaker 7: But what they do is.

1912
01:32:17,160 --> 01:32:19,639
Speaker 8: They hit people really hard up front, and they will

1913
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:22,479
Speaker 8: all they'll always be attacking, and they try and force

1914
01:32:22,520 --> 01:32:24,519
Speaker 8: the issue on you and try and speed you up.

1915
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:26,920
Speaker 8: That way, they kind of take some of the pressure

1916
01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:29,400
Speaker 8: off of their coverage that isn't that good. This year,

1917
01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:33,080
Speaker 8: Dante Fowler Junior has been really good in this defense.

1918
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:36,719
Speaker 8: Of course, you have John Allen, Deron Payne, and then

1919
01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:40,000
Speaker 8: you just get all these guys. Franky Louvu will also

1920
01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:42,240
Speaker 8: rush off the edge and they just try and hammer

1921
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:45,759
Speaker 8: you game play in play out. But I worry about

1922
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:50,280
Speaker 8: that for from a Washington perspective, because Detroit's offense can

1923
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:53,080
Speaker 8: just take those little yards that you'll give them by

1924
01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:57,120
Speaker 8: being so aggressive upfront, and they'll turn it into explosives.

1925
01:32:57,400 --> 01:33:02,160
Speaker 8: I think until Tampa completely fell apart in their last

1926
01:33:02,240 --> 01:33:04,760
Speaker 8: drive of the game, they had some success rushing along

1927
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:05,760
Speaker 8: the edges.

1928
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:06,120
Speaker 7: Of the defense.

1929
01:33:06,160 --> 01:33:07,760
Speaker 8: They were getting a lot of outside zone, a lot

1930
01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:11,000
Speaker 8: of toss plays with Buck Irving. And now you face

1931
01:33:11,080 --> 01:33:14,240
Speaker 8: Jamir Gibbs, who is really good at that and they

1932
01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:16,559
Speaker 8: have so many different ways of getting into it.

1933
01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:19,880
Speaker 7: I worry a little bit about this Washington defense.

1934
01:33:19,560 --> 01:33:23,400
Speaker 8: Wearing down upfront, and if they're wearing downfront, they.

1935
01:33:23,240 --> 01:33:24,080
Speaker 7: Can't get pressure.

1936
01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:27,360
Speaker 8: And if you can't get pressure, that coverage is going

1937
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:28,040
Speaker 8: to fall apart.

1938
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good point about them hitting hard, because

1939
01:33:31,160 --> 01:33:32,400
Speaker 1: I do think this is a game where on both

1940
01:33:32,439 --> 01:33:36,080
Speaker 1: sides of the ball, they're gonna force the secondary to

1941
01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:39,800
Speaker 1: make tackles on short throws. Washington's offense, I'll do that too,

1942
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:43,400
Speaker 1: and that's going to be important, like just tackling. But

1943
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:45,719
Speaker 1: you get to the running game, and this is where

1944
01:33:46,439 --> 01:33:50,440
Speaker 1: it's hard to imagine. The Lions have the most explosive

1945
01:33:50,520 --> 01:33:55,160
Speaker 1: runs under center by so much it's preposterous. They have

1946
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:57,680
Speaker 1: fifty six explosive runs from under center this year. The

1947
01:33:57,720 --> 01:34:00,920
Speaker 1: next closest team is thirty two. And this is where

1948
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:02,720
Speaker 1: you know our friends at next gense. That helps me

1949
01:34:02,720 --> 01:34:05,519
Speaker 1: out because it passes the eye test. Washington gives up,

1950
01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:10,120
Speaker 1: you know, the highest success rate to runs under center,

1951
01:34:10,160 --> 01:34:13,080
Speaker 1: one of the highest explosive run rates, one of the

1952
01:34:13,160 --> 01:34:17,559
Speaker 1: highest yards before they make contact. And it's been a

1953
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:20,519
Speaker 1: theme on this show. You're following in the footsteps of

1954
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:24,519
Speaker 1: Greats here JP, Brian Baldinger, Seth Payne, but Wolf from

1955
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:27,880
Speaker 1: phl Y in his podcast, And it keeps being a

1956
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:31,400
Speaker 1: pattern all these games. One of the teams, maybe except

1957
01:34:31,400 --> 01:34:35,519
Speaker 1: Texans Chiefs are just way bigger than the other. And man,

1958
01:34:35,640 --> 01:34:38,360
Speaker 1: it just feels like the Lions are gonna be They're

1959
01:34:38,479 --> 01:34:40,800
Speaker 1: they're well coached, but they also can just lean on

1960
01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:44,080
Speaker 1: this Washington team in a way that I just have

1961
01:34:44,120 --> 01:34:46,160
Speaker 1: a hard time seeing them hold up for four quarters.

1962
01:34:46,160 --> 01:34:49,240
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll be wrong, but that's what I see. Yeah,

1963
01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:49,760
Speaker 1: I just.

1964
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:55,080
Speaker 8: Worry about Washington's defensive line having to constantly get hit

1965
01:34:55,280 --> 01:34:57,719
Speaker 8: in this game. With the run game, that's the best

1966
01:34:57,760 --> 01:34:59,960
Speaker 8: way you can slow down a pass rush, is it

1967
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:01,599
Speaker 8: If you hit them really hard in the run game,

1968
01:35:01,680 --> 01:35:04,120
Speaker 8: force them to think about the run, and then you

1969
01:35:04,160 --> 01:35:07,040
Speaker 8: can get the play action, which is basically what the

1970
01:35:07,080 --> 01:35:09,519
Speaker 8: Lions offense wants to do. They want you to think

1971
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:12,320
Speaker 8: about having to defend the run, and as you're trying

1972
01:35:12,360 --> 01:35:14,360
Speaker 8: to defend the run, boom you hit.

1973
01:35:14,280 --> 01:35:16,120
Speaker 7: The over route to Laporta.

1974
01:35:16,240 --> 01:35:19,080
Speaker 8: Then you get a'man Rossaint Brown involved and you're opening

1975
01:35:19,200 --> 01:35:22,400
Speaker 8: up the entire part of that offense. So I just

1976
01:35:22,520 --> 01:35:27,599
Speaker 8: worry about for the Washington defense them being so focused

1977
01:35:27,680 --> 01:35:30,000
Speaker 8: on playing the pass on the way to the run

1978
01:35:30,760 --> 01:35:33,559
Speaker 8: that the run is going to come first, and they're

1979
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:36,040
Speaker 8: just gonna give up explosives and if they can, just

1980
01:35:36,160 --> 01:35:38,679
Speaker 8: if the Lion's just gonna lean on you and golf

1981
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:42,000
Speaker 8: doesn't have to make all these complex reads or decisions,

1982
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:44,840
Speaker 8: and you don't have to and you can't blitz them

1983
01:35:45,080 --> 01:35:48,040
Speaker 8: out of it. You worry about this game becoming a

1984
01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:51,960
Speaker 8: Detroit Like speed, a Detroit Lions speed run.

1985
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:54,479
Speaker 1: Game right right, because it's very similar to the Bucks

1986
01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:57,600
Speaker 1: have a really good offensive line. Baker had good pockets

1987
01:35:57,640 --> 01:36:01,000
Speaker 1: in that game. So many play in that game. No

1988
01:36:01,080 --> 01:36:03,439
Speaker 1: one even got close to Baker. And if you give

1989
01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:07,360
Speaker 1: Goff that sort of time, he's an even better version

1990
01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:10,160
Speaker 1: of a pocket quarterback. And you know, Seth, we were

1991
01:36:10,160 --> 01:36:12,519
Speaker 1: talking about the evolution of quarterbacks and some of these

1992
01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:15,120
Speaker 1: athletic quarterbacks like Jordan Love and Justin Herberts who don't

1993
01:36:15,160 --> 01:36:18,240
Speaker 1: run enough. And he was asking, like, who left in

1994
01:36:18,280 --> 01:36:21,719
Speaker 1: the game doesn't run? That's great, And there's one answer.

1995
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:24,439
Speaker 1: It's Jared Goff. And he's playing I think the best

1996
01:36:24,560 --> 01:36:26,800
Speaker 1: football of his career, and I think he'll be able

1997
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:29,960
Speaker 1: to pick out some of these mismatches, whether it's Wagner

1998
01:36:30,160 --> 01:36:34,960
Speaker 1: or Chin or Marshaun Lattimore who came back last week.

1999
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:38,160
Speaker 1: He's had the hamstring injury. They basically benched Benjamin Saint

2000
01:36:38,200 --> 01:36:42,040
Speaker 1: Juice Lattimore had a rough game. I know it was

2001
01:36:42,040 --> 01:36:45,160
Speaker 1: against Mike Evans, but the Lions got great, great receivers too.

2002
01:36:45,200 --> 01:36:48,320
Speaker 1: I include Jamison Williams in that group, and if he's

2003
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:50,840
Speaker 1: if he's a little cooked in this game, there's just

2004
01:36:51,439 --> 01:36:53,759
Speaker 1: too many mismatches for the Lions to go after.

2005
01:36:54,320 --> 01:36:57,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's too many options here. I worry so much

2006
01:36:57,960 --> 01:37:02,759
Speaker 8: for Washington about the Jamison Williams of it all because

2007
01:37:03,200 --> 01:37:05,680
Speaker 8: Jamison Williams is a really weird receiver where like some

2008
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:08,559
Speaker 8: plays you might not know what he's going to do,

2009
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:10,679
Speaker 8: but the other play is going to be an eighty

2010
01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:14,080
Speaker 8: yard touchdown, and you just worry about the explosive aspect

2011
01:37:14,400 --> 01:37:17,160
Speaker 8: of this offense with Jamison Williams on the field, and

2012
01:37:17,240 --> 01:37:20,439
Speaker 8: that opens up so many more problems to where you're

2013
01:37:20,479 --> 01:37:22,599
Speaker 8: so worried about the run game, so you think you

2014
01:37:22,600 --> 01:37:24,679
Speaker 8: have to come up to defend the run and Jameson

2015
01:37:24,680 --> 01:37:27,439
Speaker 8: Williams goes flying past your corner in safety for a

2016
01:37:27,479 --> 01:37:30,040
Speaker 8: touchdown and now you're like, oh, no, we have to

2017
01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:33,960
Speaker 8: defend the explosive pass and that opens up Amanra and

2018
01:37:34,479 --> 01:37:36,920
Speaker 8: Sam Laporta over the middle of the field. They just

2019
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:40,080
Speaker 8: have so many answers and so many layers to this

2020
01:37:40,240 --> 01:37:44,439
Speaker 8: offense that again, if you can't if Washington cannot get

2021
01:37:44,479 --> 01:37:49,160
Speaker 8: any negative plays, it's a very dan Quinn defense. They

2022
01:37:49,160 --> 01:37:52,879
Speaker 8: are built on sacks and turnovers and tackles for loss.

2023
01:37:53,120 --> 01:37:55,280
Speaker 8: If they can't get them behind the sticks or getting

2024
01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:58,080
Speaker 8: negative plays, I worry about this flow.

2025
01:37:57,800 --> 01:38:00,439
Speaker 7: Of the game going really bad for Washington very quickly.

2026
01:38:00,640 --> 01:38:03,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they could. We just need to see more.

2027
01:38:03,800 --> 01:38:08,840
Speaker 1: Jonathan Allen hasn't looked like his peak self since coming back.

2028
01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:12,280
Speaker 1: Doron Payin is a talented player. You know Newton in

2029
01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:15,880
Speaker 1: the middle. They have players, And if you're gonna try

2030
01:38:15,880 --> 01:38:18,240
Speaker 1: to find a weakness in the Lions offensive line, it

2031
01:38:18,280 --> 01:38:22,599
Speaker 1: would be on the interior. And so it's absolutely possible. Also,

2032
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:25,320
Speaker 1: you've always got the X factor of like the Frankie

2033
01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:28,479
Speaker 1: Luvu cheap shot. I know you watched the film. It's

2034
01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:30,839
Speaker 1: like every week, man, there's something.

2035
01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:31,080
Speaker 4: Man.

2036
01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:33,080
Speaker 1: He had one against Mike Evans last week. He has

2037
01:38:33,120 --> 01:38:35,679
Speaker 1: won like every week, which it just gets some people going,

2038
01:38:35,720 --> 01:38:37,840
Speaker 1: maybe he gets someone kicked out of the game for

2039
01:38:37,880 --> 01:38:39,640
Speaker 1: a fight. So I don't know if that's a strategy,

2040
01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:41,479
Speaker 1: but I kind of feel like something weird has to

2041
01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:44,960
Speaker 1: happen like that for this Washington defense to hang in

2042
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:45,479
Speaker 1: this game.

2043
01:38:45,880 --> 01:38:49,960
Speaker 8: They need the signature Frankie Luvu like ECW Pro wrestler

2044
01:38:50,040 --> 01:38:53,320
Speaker 8: chair Shot. They need Frankie Luvu to be like the

2045
01:38:53,439 --> 01:38:56,800
Speaker 8: peak like WCW wrestler that brings in the Kendostick. They

2046
01:38:56,880 --> 01:38:59,760
Speaker 8: need to be staying man or something. He's got to

2047
01:38:59,800 --> 01:39:02,599
Speaker 8: bring chaos to this game. And that's something that Frankie

2048
01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:05,879
Speaker 8: Luvu does really well. He brought chaos to this defense

2049
01:39:06,080 --> 01:39:09,200
Speaker 8: and for them, like I said, to create those negatives

2050
01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:13,120
Speaker 8: and get an offense to so regimented off balance, you

2051
01:39:13,240 --> 01:39:14,360
Speaker 8: have to have the chaos.

2052
01:39:15,160 --> 01:39:18,280
Speaker 1: I like to take a step back when I'm looking

2053
01:39:18,320 --> 01:39:20,439
Speaker 1: at these matchups, and it doesn't mean you're going to

2054
01:39:20,479 --> 01:39:24,280
Speaker 1: get it right, obviously, but this is year four of

2055
01:39:24,320 --> 01:39:28,320
Speaker 1: the Campbell era. He said in that locker room last

2056
01:39:28,360 --> 01:39:30,559
Speaker 1: week last year when they lost that game, there's no

2057
01:39:30,640 --> 01:39:33,800
Speaker 1: guarantee we're going to get back, and they've come back

2058
01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:39,120
Speaker 1: this season and handled being the favorites so well. And

2059
01:39:39,160 --> 01:39:42,840
Speaker 1: that's what the Commanders want to be. And they've got

2060
01:39:42,840 --> 01:39:45,439
Speaker 1: a really inspiring coaches getting more out of them than

2061
01:39:45,479 --> 01:39:47,880
Speaker 1: you would expect. But they're in one year one. They're

2062
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:50,360
Speaker 1: way ahead of where the Campbell lines were in year one.

2063
01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:53,120
Speaker 1: And I look at these two teams at the level

2064
01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:57,519
Speaker 1: where they're at, and this is the game that you know,

2065
01:39:57,600 --> 01:40:00,439
Speaker 1: I'm going to do my picks against the spread with Cynthia.

2066
01:40:00,479 --> 01:40:02,840
Speaker 1: We post that show on Friday mornings, but this is

2067
01:40:02,880 --> 01:40:05,479
Speaker 1: the game I feel most confident, and I don't care

2068
01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:08,160
Speaker 1: how many points it is. I do think the Lions

2069
01:40:08,520 --> 01:40:11,400
Speaker 1: will get there, and the Commanders could still score twenty four,

2070
01:40:11,960 --> 01:40:14,240
Speaker 1: but or twenty nine or something like that, but it

2071
01:40:14,240 --> 01:40:16,360
Speaker 1: could be forty to twenty nine or something like that.

2072
01:40:16,360 --> 01:40:18,639
Speaker 1: That's ultimately how I see. I don't need to make

2073
01:40:18,640 --> 01:40:20,120
Speaker 1: you make a pick, but if you want to, let's

2074
01:40:20,160 --> 01:40:20,920
Speaker 1: go for it. JP.

2075
01:40:21,520 --> 01:40:24,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, I feel like this is gonna be a Lions win.

2076
01:40:24,240 --> 01:40:27,960
Speaker 8: I feel like this offense just has too many problems

2077
01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:31,799
Speaker 8: and has shown. Like I said, for the Washington defense

2078
01:40:31,840 --> 01:40:33,599
Speaker 8: to win, they have to try to try and get

2079
01:40:33,680 --> 01:40:37,439
Speaker 8: Jared Goff off schedule, but Jared Goff has actually, like

2080
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:40,760
Speaker 8: I feel like Derek Goff has. I've gained a lot

2081
01:40:40,800 --> 01:40:43,840
Speaker 8: more respect for Jared Goff this season in terms of

2082
01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:47,160
Speaker 8: how he operates, how he works in that offense, and

2083
01:40:47,200 --> 01:40:51,280
Speaker 8: how much he's grown since he first really started with

2084
01:40:51,320 --> 01:40:55,000
Speaker 8: the McVeigh offense and at the peak of their powers.

2085
01:40:55,040 --> 01:40:57,280
Speaker 8: So I feel like this is gonna be the perfect

2086
01:40:57,320 --> 01:41:00,800
Speaker 8: game to show that Jarreck Goff is really good, but

2087
01:41:00,840 --> 01:41:03,639
Speaker 8: also that this Lions team has been here before. Even

2088
01:41:03,680 --> 01:41:06,320
Speaker 8: though they don't have all their stars, they have been

2089
01:41:06,439 --> 01:41:08,960
Speaker 8: in this situation. They get a home game in front

2090
01:41:09,000 --> 01:41:11,519
Speaker 8: of their crowd and they can just lean on them.

2091
01:41:12,040 --> 01:41:14,080
Speaker 7: So I think I think as a Lions.

2092
01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:16,519
Speaker 1: Went, yeah, I'm sorry to cut you off there. Like

2093
01:41:17,120 --> 01:41:20,879
Speaker 1: people forget thirty year olds in the NFL, they can improve,

2094
01:41:21,040 --> 01:41:23,400
Speaker 1: they can keep getting better. I know it as a

2095
01:41:23,400 --> 01:41:26,320
Speaker 1: Patriots fan, Like Tom Brady really was better at thirty

2096
01:41:26,360 --> 01:41:28,840
Speaker 1: four than he was at twenty eight. People remember the

2097
01:41:29,080 --> 01:41:31,360
Speaker 1: seven season and stuff, but like overall in terms of

2098
01:41:31,360 --> 01:41:34,599
Speaker 1: his quarterback, like, he got a lot better at thirty four,

2099
01:41:34,720 --> 01:41:38,080
Speaker 1: thirty six, thirty eight. I mean even though, and Jared

2100
01:41:38,080 --> 01:41:41,280
Speaker 1: Goff wins in a similar sort of way, and I'm

2101
01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:44,800
Speaker 1: totally with you. I think he is significantly improved even

2102
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:48,160
Speaker 1: from last year where he was already improved. So we're

2103
01:41:48,200 --> 01:41:50,479
Speaker 1: both on the lions. Let's play the music, Eric, This

2104
01:41:50,600 --> 01:41:55,800
Speaker 1: was This was a banger. It was a long show here. JP,

2105
01:41:56,000 --> 01:41:56,720
Speaker 1: appreciate you.

2106
01:41:56,800 --> 01:41:57,080
Speaker 4: Thank you.

2107
01:41:57,240 --> 01:41:58,960
Speaker 1: It's not gonna be as long until you come on again.

2108
01:41:59,040 --> 01:42:00,080
Speaker 1: You killed it.

2109
01:42:00,240 --> 01:42:00,559
Speaker 2: That's all.

2110
01:42:00,760 --> 01:42:01,639
Speaker 7: Thanks for having me.

2111
01:42:01,600 --> 01:42:05,640
Speaker 1: Man, JP Acosta. Check them out at SB Nation. We

2112
01:42:05,680 --> 01:42:08,160
Speaker 1: will be back, like I said on Friday with Cynthia

2113
01:42:08,160 --> 01:42:11,200
Speaker 1: Friedland and the Picks and yeah, when we're counting out

2114
01:42:11,240 --> 01:42:13,920
Speaker 1: the Commanders once again, you know football is back. We'll

2115
01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:16,519
Speaker 1: see a Friday