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Speaker 1: With Technology with tech Stuff from dot Com. Hey there, everybody,

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Speaker 1: this is Jonathan Strickling with tech Stuff. Today. I have

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Speaker 1: a very special guest, someone that I've been looking forward

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Speaker 1: to having on the show, Troy Benjamin, who is an

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Speaker 1: author extraordinaire and uh knows all sorts of things about

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Speaker 1: geeky stuff. I could be quizzing him about Iron Man

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Speaker 1: right now, or talking about the intricacies of Shield. But

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Speaker 1: today we're gonna look at a particularly spooky topic, the

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Speaker 1: tech of Ghostbusters, because we have the Ghostbusters Ectomobile Owner's

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Speaker 1: Workshop Manual, a book that I have a had a

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Speaker 1: chance to look at and have enjoyed thoroughly. Mr Benjamin,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to tech Stuff. Hello Jonathan, thanks for having me

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Speaker 1: on man. That's now I hear that that title is

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Speaker 1: such a mouthful, the Ghostbusters Ectomobile Owners Workshop. We should

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Speaker 1: have really come up with an acronym or something there.

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Speaker 1: In true Shield fashion, we should have come up with

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Speaker 1: something shorter. I love that, you know in the on

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Speaker 1: the cover that I have, it has the all the

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Speaker 1: different designations for all the different ectomobiles as well, so

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Speaker 1: it's so it's even more complex than that. I love

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Speaker 1: it because you look at this and just from the

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Speaker 1: look of it, it looks like a workshop manual, you know,

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Speaker 1: it has that appearance. You've got the nice uh diagram

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Speaker 1: of the ECTO one, the classic Ecto one on the cover.

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Speaker 1: And before we jump into how this book came about

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Speaker 1: and and the research you did, just from a casual perspective, guys,

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Speaker 1: this is a book that's got tons of illustrations and

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Speaker 1: photographs from the films. It's got lots of close ups

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Speaker 1: of stuff that you would only have glimpsed at if

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Speaker 1: you had been watching the movies. So if you're a

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Speaker 1: only see in passing. So let's let's talk about this.

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Speaker 1: So how did this book come about? Before we we

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Speaker 1: talked about the tech itself. Yeah, I mean, so this

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Speaker 1: book um probably about this time last year. What happened

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Speaker 1: makes a certain amount of sense that if you, if

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00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 1: you put yourself in the shoes of Egan Spangler, he's

430
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,719
Speaker 1: probably looking at technology that previously exists and wondering how

431
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 1: he can adapt that to the needs that they have

432
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 1: as quickly as they can. Because in the movie they're

433
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 1: small business takes off quite literally overnight, so he has

434
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,239
Speaker 1: to go out and find, oh, oh, there they are

435
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 1: these night vision goggles that have been decommissioned by by

436
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 1: the army. I know that they have these sensor rods

437
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 1: on them. If I just tweak the sensor rods, they

438
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 1: won't be detecting infrared or heat or or heat signatures

439
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 1: things like that. They'll start detecting the decay of those

440
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,119
Speaker 1: negative electrons that are out there, and we can we

441
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,120
Speaker 1: can sort of quantify that and visually put that into

442
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,479
Speaker 1: our ghostbusters eyes so that they can help track these

443
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 1: things down totally. But then the funny thing about this stuff,

444
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 1: and and even on those two particular pages in the

445
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: book you find the designers of the film, we're just

446
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 1: doing things because they looked cool, because it made a

447
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 1: certain amount of sense that like, when he's looking around

448
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 1: the ballroom, you know, the numbers in the corner are moving,

449
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 1: and when they lock in on Slimer, it locks into

450
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,120
Speaker 1: a certain value. But what we found was, as he's

451
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 1: looking around the room, the value on the numbers is higher,

452
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 1: and then when he locks in on Slimer, the value

453
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 1: on the numbers is lower. So we had to figure

454
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 1: out this way, which it was totally counterintuitive. You know,

455
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,120
Speaker 1: why would when he's looking around the room and it's

456
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: at like three thousand, when you then find Slimer and

457
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: it's at one thousand, why why does it become lower?

458
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 1: And so we kind of had to help them with

459
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 1: a little bit of a gap in their logic or

460
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: or in in the way that they had sort of

461
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: defined things, and say, oh, okay, the closer you get

462
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: to zero, the more powerful the entity is. And that's

463
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 1: you know, if you are. If you see a zeroed

464
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 1: out number in that corner, you're probably looking at the

465
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: end of the world, you know, when they're the the

466
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: temple rooftop looking at Goes or the Goes are and

467
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: if you were to throw those goggles on there, it

468
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 1: would be a zero number, a negative number. Uh. And

469
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: then when you get to Slimer, it's still fairly low.

470
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: It's in the you know, I think it's thirteen thirty five,

471
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 1: thirteen thirty three. Oh shoot, I'm gonna it killed. On

472
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: the forums, I think it's thirteen thirty three. When they

473
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: walk in, uh to Slimer it is thirteen thirty three

474
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: point five. Yes, all right, man, I'm so glad you

475
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 1: you had that. But so yeah, so so figuring out okay,

476
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 1: so the class the classification system that they're defining these

477
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 1: ghosts by, maybe that thirteen area is about a class

478
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: four or a class five, and kind of going from

479
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 1: there and then building around that because that's the only

480
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 1: number that we've defined in the context of the film.

481
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 1: Of course, you watch the cartoons. There's all the cool

482
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 1: gag and stuff in the cartoons, but it's a little different. So,

483
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's finding finding those little stepping stones

484
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 1: and then building out from that. We know that slimer

485
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 1: is in the dred range, let's say that you know

486
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: something more like m I think what we ended up

487
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 1: doing is like in the five hundred range, that's like

488
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 1: a class seven like that's that's a huge metaspector that

489
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: is uh, probably not the friendliest and probably doing some

490
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: damage to you, uh, and then building out that chart

491
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: from there. So we we We've got a lot of

492
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 1: proof readers that came back on the book and they said, well,

493
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 1: this doesn't make sense. Wouldn't zero be like normal zero?

494
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: It should start at zero and it should go up,

495
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: you know that once you get to five thousand, that

496
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 1: should be the biggest entity. And it's like, well, yeah,

497
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: but we're helping out the movie again. Here are helping

498
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: helping them apply this this logic and and this sort

499
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: of procedure to their stuff. And so hopefully that communicates well.

500
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 1: And then also again like you were saying, hopefully, you

501
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 1: know Ivan rightman looks at this and he's like, yeah,

502
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 1: that's that's what I intended the entire time. Yes, of course,

503
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: that's that's the intention all along. Well, the nice thing

504
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 1: is there is there is precedence in the world of

505
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: science where someone has made a decision where the scale

506
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: as it goes up is measuring an effect that goes

507
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: down unless you are looking at the world at atopsy

508
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 1: turvy way. So for example, celsius, originally one was freezing,

509
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: and then you'd go up to zero to boiling. So

510
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 1: you look at that and you're thinking, are you just

511
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: saying that like that that you're saying it's less cold

512
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: until it gets to very much not cold? How does

513
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: that make sense otherwise? Or zero is just really hot

514
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: and then the higher you go, the colder it is.

515
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: Are you thinking elevation? What where's your thinking in this Celsius?

516
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: So that's that's that was I'm glad you latched onto

517
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: that because that's that was my my simplistic not scientific

518
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: reasoning behind it was a percent is normal is okay,

519
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 1: and when you hit zero percent things are crazy. You

520
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 1: are looking at the end of the world as you

521
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 1: know it. That's that's how we kind of went about it. So,

522
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: so since I was talking about my favorite being the goggles,

523
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 1: do you have a particular piece of equipment that, out

524
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 1: of all of it is is your favorite. I mean,

525
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: I know it's hard to say when you're working on

526
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: each individual little piece, but yeah, I mean it's it

527
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: is hard, I would say, just on a at a

528
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: fifty thou foot view. Just getting to dive into the

529
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 1: Ecto one A from the second movie was a whole

530
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: lot of fun because that was, you know, the second movie.

531
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: They never showed the inside of the car in the film,

532
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 1: and of course because they had the that Ecto one

533
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 1: A out at Universal Studios Florida. As kids, we would

534
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: climb in there and we would see stuff and you'd

535
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: see photos of oh my god, there's a computer in there,

536
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: and there's all of this great equipment that you never

537
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: see in the actual film that they don't do anything

538
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 1: with in the actual films. So, um, we I may

539
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: be divulging too much, Eric maybe ready with the sniper

540
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: rifle here, but we we did dive into what is

541
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: left of the Ecto one A there in the process

542
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: of hopefully restoring that car. Uh, and I was able

543
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: to just dive in and see, oh my, that's that's

544
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: a Trio Tech centrifuge, and that's that's like a clock,

545
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: power controller, and all of these tiny details that nobody's

546
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: ever really seen because it's not photographed, it's not documented. Well, um,

547
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: and so we were able to pull those components out,

548
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: and to me, it was like an archaeological dig finding

549
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: all of these these things and you'd you'd pull out this,

550
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: it looked like garbage and you go, oh, that's this

551
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: part of the big white pill looking cylinder that's on

552
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: the back of the car. Um. So I think on

553
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: a on a on a broad view, that that's my

554
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: favorite part of this book. But uh, if I were

555
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: to pick one component, I would say it's the tu sniffer, which, uh,

556
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: it has been long debated among fans as to what

557
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: it's the thing that's on top of the original car

558
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: that looks like a double barreled shot a red double

559
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: barreled shotgun. And uh, you know in a deleted scene

560
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: from the movie, a cop is coming to write a

561
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: ticket and put it on the windshield of the car,

562
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: and that that sniffer sort of turns and acts like eyeballs,

563
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: like it's following the cop around and he can't quite dodge.

564
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: It's it's gaze. And we said, wow, that we could

565
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: go with that. It could be like a sensor device

566
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: if the car was are normal or had some sort

567
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: of of you know, blues mobile powers. But let's let's

568
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: set that aside, and again let's start thinking about how

569
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: this would be useful to the Ghostbusters. Why would they

570
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: put that on the car and with for what purposes?

571
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: And so finally getting to say what that particular piece

572
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: of the roof rack was was a whole lot of

573
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: fun um. And we do get a good joke in

574
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: there about it looking like Egan's nose and that's why

575
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: they called it a sniffer. But uh, yeah, I think

576
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: I think that's probably the one because we were finally

577
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: getting to define stuff that that fans have have wondered

578
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: about for a long time. And it's all Ghost Corp. Approved.

579
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: So it's cannon guys. Now, such power, such amazing power. Power.

580
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: And after you came from Marvel, did you not learn

581
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: with great power comes great responsibility? And no, I know, Ben,

582
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: I know, but um yeah, it's uh, it's it's one

583
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: of those things where and we were very careful. There

584
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: were a few things in there where we didn't want

585
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: to get too carried away. There's uh, I think I've

586
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: said it before, but there's a hose that's on the

587
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: uniforms where if you if you look in the original film,

588
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: they have these yellow hoses that kind of look like

589
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: they go out from around the waist area kind of

590
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: down to about mid thigh with with a little plug.

591
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: And but unfortunately, and Harold Ramos has joked a whole

592
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: lot about it, they made the hoses yellow. So everybody

593
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: everybody's thinking, like, do they have cathos? What are they

594
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: walking around with these hoses that kind of very conspicuously

595
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: go from around the growing area down to this part

596
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: that's by their knee, and uh, you know they've they've

597
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: joked about well, you know, you see stuff and sometimes

598
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: things happen. Um. But so so we we thought about

599
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: actually defining that and what it what its purpose was,

600
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: and that that's one of those where I was like, Eric,

601
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: should we finally tell people what this is? And He's like, no,

602
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: let's leave that one up to the imagination for a

603
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: little while. That's amazing. Well, one of the things I

604
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about was, you know, interesting stuff that

605
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: that I think a lot of people don't necessarily realize,

606
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: especially because the world of cars is so different today.

607
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: And that's you know, when you talk about the Ecto

608
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,959
Speaker 1: one and the fact that It's essentially it's a it's

609
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: a type of Cadillac. But in that time, Cadillac would

610
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: create these chassiss that other car manufacturers, like specialized car manufacturers,

611
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: would end up taking, and then they would make their

612
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: own uh models built on top of those basic chassis,

613
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: which is why you could end up with several cars

614
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,479
Speaker 1: that look very different from one another, but they all

615
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: are worked on the same basic foundation. And and and

616
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: why this this fifty nine Miller meter is so difficult

617
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: to find because they only made a certain amount of them,

618
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: but other manufacturers made very similar looking cars. Uh, you know,

619
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: and and fans have similarly can converted those into ectomobiles too.

620
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, the Miller Meteor car, I mean it has

621
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: because of Ghostbusters. It's so iconic. I think it's kind

622
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: of like the DeLorean from Back to the Future. You

623
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: see that vehicle and your and that's another great example

624
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,719
Speaker 1: of a car where there was uh not on purpose,

625
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: but there was a limited number of them. And uh,

626
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: it's it's really neat to get a little bit of

627
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: a look behind that, because you know, you don't typically

628
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: see that kind of stuff. Now, you don't really see

629
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: a car company creating a basic found, you know, chassis

630
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: that other companies are using to make other vehicles. Now

631
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: you might find a car company that makes a chassis

632
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: for their line of vehicles and then they build different

633
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: bodies on top of it. But that's the kind of

634
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: stuff you can find out with this book, as you

635
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: learn more about that basic technology that was used uh

636
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: in in the film, and obviously learn more about the

637
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: the Ecto one from the new film as well, so,

638
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: which is of course a totally different car. It's uh

639
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: so that was really cool. I also love the idea

640
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: of going into things like like the concept of plasma

641
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 1: plasma being the most plentiful of all the forms of

642
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: of of matter out there, although you know, most of

643
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: us don't think of it that way because we don't

644
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: tend to run into a whole lot of it here

645
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: on earth. But absolutely, you look at your nearby stars,

646
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,439
Speaker 1: they're lousy with the stuff. So uh And of course

647
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: that's ionized gas. It's it's a gas that actually can

648
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 1: carry an electric current. And I love that you talk

649
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: about it being a plasma that comes out from the

650
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: the the wands of the proton packs, uh because that

651
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: also helps when you see the lines of electricity going

652
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: up and down. You think, oh, well, of course it's

653
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 1: a it's an ionized gas. It can carry an electric current.

654
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: That makes perfect sense that that there moves. It moves

655
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: in a wavelength like sound too, you know, so that

656
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: because it's coming out with such force that you've got

657
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: that wave pattern that is happening, and and getting to

658
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: explain why everything is the way that it is. That

659
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: that was a whole lot of fun and and that's

660
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: that's one of the things that is still rooted in

661
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: the original research that Michael C. Gross did for the film. Uh,

662
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: and he was very detailed because they had to when

663
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: they were animating things come up with that logic that okay,

664
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: it originates at at at the ghost or at the

665
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,919
Speaker 1: wall or the bar or whatever they end up hitting

666
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: with this this particle thrower. Um. And so you you

667
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: can watch if you step through frame by frame, you

668
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: see the light beam start on where it ends and

669
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: then go back to the emitter. So it's it's like

670
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: a bolt of lightning. You you see it hit the

671
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 1: ground first and and go up back into the sky

672
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 1: kind of thing. And so, um, yeah, it's it's all there. Everything,

673
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 1: all of the breadcrumbs were left For us, it was

674
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: just kind of putting the pieces together and you know, well,

675
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 1: it's an ionized gas, it's plasma, and it's it's being

676
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: based in hydrogen. And trying to figure out all of

677
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: all of the technical details behind it was was a

678
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: lot of fun. Yeah, I very much appreciate all that.

679
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: As I was reading it, I just kept thinking, like,

680
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: it so nice to see something that is is referring

681
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: enough to the tech and science that we really know

682
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: that people who are interested in recreating the uh, the

683
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: effects by going out and finding as many similar objects

684
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: out there as possible in order to make their own

685
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: ECTO one or to make their own proton pack. That's interesting.

686
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 1: But it's also cool that it can introduce people into

687
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: realms of science that perhaps they didn't know they were

688
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: interested in, and then they can legitimately start to learn

689
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: more about physics. They can learn more about particle physics,

690
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: in particular about electro magnetism. Uh. And even like some

691
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 1: of the equipment and you have like sonar detectors, radar detectors,

692
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: it's amazing that they were able to get hold of

693
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: all that that junk equipment because some of the stuff

694
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: is like I mean, some of it was was pretty

695
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: top secret military stuff back in the day. I mean,

696
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: and it's just sitting in a junk yard in three

697
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: when they're doing pre production, Like, yeah, this was kind

698
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: of scary that you could go to any place and

699
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 1: pick this stuff up. But yeah, yeah, you know, twenty

700
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: years ago you wouldn't be allowed to know what this was.

701
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: And now here it is just laying around right next

702
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: to a whole bunch of copies of of the Atari

703
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: twenty et. The Extraterrestrial's right there, there's your Tomahawk Missile

704
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: Guidance System cartridge. Oh what a world we live in.

705
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 1: Uh So, exploring this and and going through this experience,

706
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 1: I'm sure it was really a rewarding experience for you

707
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: and uh and we know we've talked about some of

708
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 1: the favorite stuff. Were there anythings in particular that you

709
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 1: found a real challenge while you were researching and trying

710
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: to figure out, all right, how do I how do

711
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: I make this fit? For instance, I would say that

712
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: one of the ones that would have jumped out at me,

713
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: you have an illustration of some sonar canisters, And if

714
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: I had seen that immediately, I would have thought, well,

715
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,959
Speaker 1: what the heck am I gonna do with these things. Yeah, yeah,

716
00:37:56,120 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, there's there's a naval sona buoy. Uh

717
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: that's and and Star Trek fans will notice it because

718
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: it used to be the proton torpedoes that they would

719
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 1: use in I think all the way through Next Generation.

720
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: You still see them in some of the cargo bays

721
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 1: and next Generation, but so so that that exterior case

722
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 1: is something that they would use just as as cargo

723
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 1: around the ships and things like that. And my guess

724
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: is that on on Ghostbusters too, they happened to go

725
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: to whoever sourced those two Star Trek about that time.

726
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: It was eighty nine, so it makes sense they were

727
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: working on I think that was Star Trek five at

728
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 1: that point. And again, you do you see these in

729
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: those films, Um, so they probably, oh, that looks futuristic.

730
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: We're gonna put that on the side of the car.

731
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: It looks a whole lot more futuristic than you know,

732
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: the first movie. They've got these storage tubes that you

733
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: see on plumbers vans, and so they swapped one of

734
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: those out with this this sona buoy, and I had

735
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: to I had to think why, for what purpose? And

736
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: and knowing that what's in there is a sonar a

737
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: booty that they would use in submarines and things like that. Well,

738
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: why why would they use that? But then again kind

739
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: of reverse engineering and and and thinking, like one of

740
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: the biggest differentiations between the Ecto one A and the

741
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: Ecto one from the original film was the digital age.

742
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: They moved from analog to digital. So you see a

743
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: satellite dish on the top, you see a personal computer

744
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: inside the car. Um So they're they're upgrading things. They're

745
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: going through the components that are on the car, and

746
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: if you look at things that are missing, you can think, oh,

747
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: they replaced something on the original car with the sona booty.

748
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: And then I had to go, uh to the library

749
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: and figure out what these buoys did and what they

750
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: use them for, and again kind of start to reverse

751
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: engineer that as to why Egon Spangler would build that

752
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: into his p KU detection array. But it ended up

753
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: working out pretty well, but that that was a tricky one.

754
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: And also you know, getting Ian Morris who is the illustrator,

755
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: and he's awesome, he works, uh, he is actually a

756
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: Haynes manual illustrator by trade, so he's he's actually diving

757
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: into the real cars, doing the engines, doing the cutaways, um.

758
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: And so it was a lot of fun working with

759
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: him saying, oh, no, Ian, there's a wall there. You

760
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,439
Speaker 1: can't you can't build this electro magnet around there because

761
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: there's a cartridge and there's a wall. And he goes, oh,

762
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. All right, great, thanks mate, and

763
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: he would kind of like revise things. UM. So I

764
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: would send Ian this, uh, just reference of Okay, here's

765
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: the deal. There's this thing on the car on the

766
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: outside and it looks like this, but what we want

767
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: to do is illustrate what's inside. And it looks like this.

768
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 1: You don't have reference for that. Let me help you.

769
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 1: And he goes, wait, so there's a thing inside a

770
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: thing here. I don't, Troy, you're crazy. I don't. I

771
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: don't understand this. And so I'd have to say like, oh, okay,

772
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,439
Speaker 1: look that is the weather proof container that the booy

773
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: goes in at Like when you go when you go

774
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: to the mountains and you've got skis but you've got

775
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: to get on an air plane, you put your skis

776
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 1: into one of those hard clamshell cases. That's what this is.

777
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 1: Why they did that on the car um. Maybe it's

778
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 1: not waterproof. Yeah, that's the ticket. It's not waterproof, even

779
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: though it's an underwater booie. Don't worry about it. We'll

780
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: figure that out later. But so that I'm trying to

781
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: help him kind of figure things out too, So that

782
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: that was that was also a challenge, you know, having

783
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: to describe what's in your head to an illustrator and

784
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: uh and and a technical illustrator at that. So it

785
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 1: had to make sense. It had to be put together.

786
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: It couldn't just be like, you know, it's a it's

787
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: a circle, you know for kids. There was just no

788
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 1: way to to communicate that to him. You had to

789
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: tell him exact details. I appreciate your Hudsucker proxy reference,

790
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: you know for kids, big Coen Brothers fan here. So uh, well,

791
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: I can completely appreciate that. My father is an author

792
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: and he has written extensively in science fiction and has

793
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: worked with illustrators as well, and so he has told

794
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: me stories that are very similar. He's also he's actually

795
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 1: written for Star Trek. So yeah, so I I've I've

796
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: lived through this my my life as well. I've seen

797
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: it from that side. So it's cool to talk to

798
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: someone else who also has had these experiences. It's really

799
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: it's really interesting to learn about it from Ghostbusters because

800
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: that's the property that I love, but I've never had

801
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: any other connection to apart from just being being a

802
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 1: fan of it. Um I. I also think that it

803
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: works really well within the context. This kind of gets

804
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: it into film critiquing, which is not what this episode

805
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: is about. But I don't care. Uh, it's my show.

806
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: Um I think it also works. Something that serves you

807
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: well as the author is that in the film, the

808
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: Ghostbusters are essentially they're exterminators, right, They're not, you know,

809
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: they're scientists and they're the Egon in particular is a

810
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: brilliant engineer. But they are they It comes down that

811
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: they are. They are ghost exterminant eaters are ghostbusters and

812
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 1: and as such, one, it gives you a little license

813
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 1: for things to be a little you know, Jerry Rigged

814
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: and Jenkie because they're they're glorified exterminators. And too, it

815
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: does make sense that you would have people say, well,

816
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 1: let's repurpose technology, because one, I don't have the access

817
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 1: to a lab where I'm going to be able to

818
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 1: do the R and D and the production and the

819
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: manufacturing of all of these pieces of equipment we need

820
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 1: and be that would be way too expensive anyway, Let's

821
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: buy stuff that's cheap and then we'll just change it.

822
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 1: Like from from a movie like within the universe of Ghostbusters.

823
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: It makes sense because you're talking of again about a

824
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: small business. They they you know, put all the mortgages

825
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: on to raise house in order to afford starting it,

826
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: and they don't have the money to build particle accelerators

827
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: with brands. It's all found. I mean, you look at

828
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: they throw this device on Louis Tully's head, and it's

829
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: a calendar, you know, it's a calendar with a bunch

830
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: of electrodes and wires and stuff hanging out of it.

831
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: And it makes sense because it's just stuff they found

832
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: and they know it. It's a conductive material um and

833
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:03,919
Speaker 1: and that's one of the things that the new movie

834
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: I think got right was, you know, Jillian Holtzman is

835
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: a dumpster diver. She goes in and she finds these

836
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: lead pipes and she wants to turn them into proton shotguns.

837
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 1: That's that's the the spirit essentially of what the first

838
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: film was. It's this found garbage that people have thrown

839
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: away that they've turned into treasure. Yeah, and I like

840
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: that also when we get into the later films, I

841
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: like that they were thinking about how they would update

842
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: the technology. As you pointed out, between Ghostbusters one and

843
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 1: Ghostbusters Too, they went from analog to more digital. They

844
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: had computers, and so the design of things started to

845
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: change a little bit, not so dramatically that it's no

846
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: longer recognizable as Ghostbusters, but it has changed. Whereas and

847
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: then we get into the the latest film where you

848
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:57,240
Speaker 1: start getting the printed circuit board as a more important

849
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 1: motif and some of the elements and and a of

850
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:05,479
Speaker 1: course obviously circuit boards transistors that transformed electronics. It's something

851
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 1: that has allowed for maniaturization. And in the context of

852
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: the film, you get to see the different variations of

853
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: the proton packs and with the last one being the

854
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: most compact and at least according to canon, the lightest

855
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: of the three. Yeah. The evolution of technology, yeah, yeah,

856
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 1: So it's great to see that reflected as well within

857
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,919
Speaker 1: the mythology of the world. It's it's nice to see

858
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 1: something that's consistent with the way the world actually works,

859
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: you know, and it's not just oh well, this looks cool.

860
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 1: We don't have to worry about justifying it. It actually

861
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: it actually works logically as well. Uh. Also, if just

862
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,240
Speaker 1: an aside, I really dug the fact that the different

863
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: variations of the proton packs in the latest film had

864
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: special code names that relate relate to a particular author.

865
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: But I don't want to give it away for people

866
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: who want to get the book and find out who

867
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 1: it is for themselves, I will say it is very

868
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: appropriately Halloween themed. It is. It's very appropriate. And then

869
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: we also got another great joke in there from the

870
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: scientist of the group saying that they wish they had

871
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: been named after more, you know, highly esteemed scientific minds.

872
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: But uh, you know, that's that's that's one of my

873
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: favorite little again, the little things that you kind of

874
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 1: put in there to add a little bit of levity

875
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: to it, because it is we're talking about the evolution

876
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: of these packs, uh, and and the miniaturization of the technology,

877
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: but you also want to add a little bit of

878
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: that that special sauce in there that makes it kind

879
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 1: of amusing and fun. And oh that's right. It's a technical,

880
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 1: technical manual, but I'm having fun reading it. And that's

881
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: that's one of those things that's in there. Yeah, yeah,

882
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 1: I like it a lot. I mean I've also read

883
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: through technical manuals for things like the Star Trek universe,

884
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: and those are really interesting too, especially the ones the

885
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: the gadgets that are dependent upon very theoretical science things

886
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 1: like nanotechnology, that that we're still in the infancy for

887
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: most of that stuff, and we really don't know if

888
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: we're ever going to get those nanobot style uh at

889
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: atomic assemblers that will be able to build stuff out

890
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: of raw material the way. Yeah, because yeah, once you

891
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 1: get the replicator, it's game over. Right, You've you've you're

892
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: in a post scarcity environment. Yeah, I'm good. Yeah, yeah, hot,

893
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: I do want that. Yes, same here. But it was

894
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: it was fun to see that and again see it

895
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 1: within the Voice of the world, like they're they're little

896
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 1: bits and pieces where you can hear like this is

897
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: this is raised kind of way of communicating this or

898
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 1: this is how they would have written the workshop manual

899
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: because there's just a little bit of a reverence there,

900
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: but it's it's it's subtle. It's not like beating you

901
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: over the head with it. Yeah. So that's what I

902
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: also appreciate was that it had that tone because you

903
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: make a good point, you have to walk that fine line.

904
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 1: You can't go super zaney because if you do, then

905
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: you're not really saying anything useful. But if you go

906
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:05,720
Speaker 1: total technical manual, it's so dry that only the hard

907
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: the hardest of the hard cores. Yeah, I gotta one.

908
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I mean, I'm I'm so glad to

909
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: hear you saying this because you're you're one of the

910
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: first people that's seen it and been able to be

911
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: analytical about it in this way. And again, the tone

912
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: on the book was one of the hardest things to

913
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: struggle with. And I had I had done a draft.

914
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: I don't even think I made it through a full draft. Um,

915
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: it was more from like Peter Bankman's kind of snarky

916
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: you know, the trademark Bill Murray Wit where you know

917
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 1: he was making quips, and it was it just didn't

918
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: read correctly when it talks about cynical all, how all

919
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: the different types of equipment can get you girls that

920
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 1: kind of thing. Yeah exactly, yeah exactly, And and it

921
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 1: made more sense to let him sort of chime in

922
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: and get the one liners, uh, you know, the in

923
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: in true Bill Murray fashion, he tries to get the

924
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: last word in um and then so then we moved

925
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: to a more kind of Egon Spangler um voice for

926
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: the for just for the main, for the meat of

927
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 1: the book. And it just it's too technical, you know,

928
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: it's too you get you get too wound up in things.

929
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: And he starts going into these technical jargon paragraphs that

930
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 1: are dense, and it's not a whole lot of fun

931
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: to read. But what what I found was writing from

932
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: raise point of view, um, you know where he's so

933
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 1: he's so enthusiastic about everything and everything is just very endearing.

934
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: He loves the fact that this piece of technology is

935
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: in his car and he wants to tell you why,

936
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: um and and that once once we sort of like

937
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: tuned into that frequency, that's when the book started coming

938
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 1: together because it made a whole lot of sense. This

939
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: is race Dance, And he's got an intro in the

940
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: beginning because we we wanted to make sure that everybody

941
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: knew like he's he's super proud of this book. He's

942
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: proud of all of the equipment that they are licensing

943
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: out to all of these franchise ees. Um and and

944
00:49:56,120 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: then hopefully your enthusiasm. It's hopefully it's infectious. Hopefully you're

945
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: reading it you're like, oh, oh that's really cool. Oh

946
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: that makes a whole lot of sense. Oh that's so funny.

947
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: Why why they did that? Now I know, and I'm

948
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: hoping that that little bit of you know, this is great.

949
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: We we gotta stay here. I'm gonna go get my stuff.

950
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: Like I want that same sort of enthusiasm to be

951
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: conveyed through the books. So I'm I'm breathing a very

952
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: heavy sigh of relief and say all of these things.

953
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 1: I guess that's what I'm saying. Well, I think anyone

954
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 1: who has that level of of fandom for Ghostbusters and

955
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: they really want to have this. You know, we've seen

956
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: lots of of supplemental materials that go towards the supernatural

957
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 1: side of the things. But to go to something where

958
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 1: you're looking at the tech side and it it's not

959
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: just being explained away as uh, you know, it's it's

960
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: essentially magic, but we're giving it a scientific name. It's

961
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: it's really cool to see that, because I mean, there

962
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: is a lot of signs and I'm not taking away

963
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: from science fiction authors who do this because again, if

964
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: the story is the most important thing. That's really what

965
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: I care about. But it is really easy to write

966
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: a thing of a jigger and say this is the

967
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 1: you know, you do do what Futurama did. You just

968
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: take whatever the thing does, and then you put an

969
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: er at the end of the name of it, and

970
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: that's what it is, a thing longen er, and then

971
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: that's the thing. Uh, you could do that, So I

972
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 1: appreciate that this is UH taking that extra step. I

973
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: also am very eager to show this book off to UH.

974
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 1: We have a a a car expert here at the

975
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: office who loves he loves to talk about movie cars

976
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: in and so I think he's really gonna be thrilled.

977
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: I haven't shown it to him yet because I wanted

978
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: to all for myself until we had this interview. But

979
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,439
Speaker 1: but then I will show it off to him because

980
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: I think he's really gonna dig it. That's Scott Benjamin,

981
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: so he's he's a huge UH car buff and and

982
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: knows far more than I ever will about vehicles. Yeah,

983
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 1: so he'll be very because that was the other thing too,

984
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: is you know there's a page that we talked about

985
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: the tires, the engine, oil, maintenance, and things like that. Um,

986
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 1: which it's all true. I mean again, my goal of

987
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: every uh Ghostbusters fan that has their own ecutomobile replica,

988
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 1: I want this in their glove box because it's all real.

989
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 1: This is this is that's what your tire pressure needs

990
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: to be. Uh, this is when you need to check

991
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: your oil. Um it's hopefully knock on my desk here.

992
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: Hopefully it's all completely technologically proof that you can go

993
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: in there and oh yeah, the the tires need to

994
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: be at thirty p s I and and things like that. Um.

995
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 1: So again, going back to tone being such a difficult

996
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: thing on this, I wanted car enthusiasts to have something

997
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: in here, and that's kind of the reason we went

998
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,959
Speaker 1: into the history of the Miller Meteor and talking about

999
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: those chassis builds that they would do, and and even

1000
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: going in and describing, you know, the difference between Miller

1001
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,320
Speaker 1: Meteor made three different coaches, the Landau, the Future and

1002
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: the Sentinel, and helping people that that don't really know

1003
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 1: the difference between those three. You know, hopefully when you

1004
00:52:58,400 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: see a car out on the road or you go

1005
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: to a car show, you can look now at a

1006
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 1: car and be like, oh, that's a future and here's why.

1007
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: Um so yeah. Getting getting the getting the car and

1008
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 1: driver crowd interested in this too was was a big

1009
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: challenge because I'm I'm not a big car guy. My

1010
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 1: dad taught me how to change my own and change

1011
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: my tires and that's about all that I can do.

1012
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: But you know, especially after working on this book, I

1013
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: have such a great respect and I love the classic

1014
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 1: car enthusiast now because they keep these machines from the

1015
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: fifties and the sixties, uh, still running and still pristine

1016
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 1: in their original conditions. And it's hard work, especially when

1017
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: they're not making these replacement parts anymore. They've got to

1018
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: keep these things fine tuned. So I can't call myself

1019
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 1: a car guy, but I feel like I am a

1020
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: car guy after this, Like I I know how this

1021
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: car works. I feel like I can tell you. I

1022
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: feel like I can help you do some maintenance on

1023
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: it and that, and that's kind of the goal. I

1024
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: want you guys to read it and think that you

1025
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: can do maintenance on the actomobile. Well. I think it's

1026
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: great because I was telling a friend of mine that

1027
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: I was going to have this conversation with you, and

1028
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: the first thing she asked me, and I am not

1029
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: making this up, was what's the tire pressure for the

1030
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 1: ectol one. I said, I can actually tell you that

1031
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: because in the beginning of the books, right, so I

1032
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: was like, I said, I've got that detail. She was

1033
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 1: even asking me, like, so so hard the tires the

1034
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 1: same and Ecto one and Ecto one, am and no

1035
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 1: they are not. Let me tell you why because that's

1036
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 1: explained in the book too. We why did the white

1037
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: wall tires go away? Well, we explain that, um, And

1038
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: uh yeah, I mean it's it is. It's very much

1039
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: a car manual. It it's funny, it's a technical manual.

1040
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:44,879
Speaker 1: It's an entertaining book for Ghostbusters fans. It's a car manual. Um.

1041
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: It's a reference book for people that need to have

1042
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: something to look at when they're doing prop replica replicas.

1043
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: So kind of like the shield books that I'm doing.

1044
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,399
Speaker 1: It has to serve so many different purposes, and then

1045
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: having to hit a page count makes it really difficult

1046
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: because one of the joke that I wanted to put

1047
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: in there was at the very back of the book,

1048
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: every car manual has those blank pages with the lines

1049
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: for you to to mark down all of your maintenance um.

1050
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 1: I I wanted to and was unsuccessful in pitching have

1051
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,760
Speaker 1: two or three pages in the back that had those lines,

1052
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 1: but then had handwritten notes of uh, you know, a

1053
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 1: paranormal specter spit ectoplasmic goo at the siren, stripped all

1054
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: of the chrome away from it, replaced chrome with a

1055
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: spray paint until further chrome is available. You know that

1056
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,399
Speaker 1: like putting those things down there that I thought would

1057
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: be a whole lot of fun for fans to like, Oh,

1058
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 1: what would would have maintenance log on an ectomobile look like?

1059
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 1: You know what? What are the terrible things that happened

1060
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 1: to them that they had to deal with? The wear

1061
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: and tear. The wear and tear on that car would

1062
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 1: be very different from your average vehicle, Yes it would.

1063
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: So the good news is a lot of that trickled

1064
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: into the actual UM, the pages of the actual text,

1065
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:58,720
Speaker 1: because you know, there's a sound replicator on the original

1066
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 1: car UM and we surmised, okay that because the car

1067
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: has such a distinctive siren, that's what feeds the federal

1068
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 1: siren that's on the front of the car. But then

1069
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 1: I also wanted to put something in there about the

1070
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 1: Jersey Devil, which we know has an affinity for certain sounds,

1071
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: and they can have the Jersey Devil be chased out

1072
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 1: of town because it's drawn to the sound and it's

1073
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: it's following it. So, uh, you know, we we worked

1074
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: that in there. That was something that was originally in

1075
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: the handwritten notes in the back of the book and

1076
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: and kind of got worked into the text. But yeah,

1077
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 1: it was tough, and and we had a whole lot

1078
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,240
Speaker 1: of stuff on the firehouse that just got cut for space.

1079
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 1: Um so there sequel maybe, I don't know. I mean,

1080
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: you know, the potential for the whole franchise stuff. I mean,

1081
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff you could cover. Uh. Yeah,

1082
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: And and you know, we talked about how in the

1083
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: in the you know, before we started recording, about the RPG.

1084
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 1: The beauty of that is, of course, you know, whenever

1085
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: you're making any kind of role playing game, you have

1086
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 1: to build out you have to build out the world

1087
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,839
Speaker 1: sort of as you have done. Uh. Usually people take

1088
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 1: less of a technical mind towards that. You know, it's

1089
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 1: they want to make stuff that's going to be great

1090
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,280
Speaker 1: for game play purposes, but doesn't necessarily have to reflect

1091
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: the real world. In fact, it really doesn't have to

1092
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: reflect the role world at all. But the problem of

1093
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: course with that is that you know, those explanations aren't

1094
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 1: really know, they're not confirmed anywhere else. It's not like

1095
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: they're canon. So you might be able to use that

1096
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: as inspiration on jumping off point, but it could very

1097
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: well be that you look at and you think, well,

1098
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: that's not gonna fit with everything else. So I can't

1099
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: really adopt that that approach, I mean, and it's tough.

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00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: You know, the the role playing games, the g b

1101
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: I role playing games, that was a whole lot of

1102
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: fun to go into those and just sort of use

1103
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: those as inspiration for tone and content, and because I

1104
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: loved and adore those as well, and I still have

1105
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 1: my podcast co host Chris Stewart was kind enough to

1106
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: send me some of the expansion books that I didn't

1107
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: have too, so it's I'm kind of diving back into it.

1108
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: But um but you know, yeah, and in the cartoon,

1109
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: because there were a hundred and said a whole lot

1110
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: of episodes of the cartoon. Um, but all of the

1111
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: gear was used mainly as like a da a sex

1112
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: machia too. All of a sudden there would be a

1113
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: gyrocopter that came out of the car and you'd be like, well,

1114
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 1: what how did that get there? Or you know, the

1115
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:33,479
Speaker 1: storage tube would sort of unfold and become a chair

1116
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: that they could sit on, kind of you know, suicide

1117
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: Gunner style, and he'd go, oh, that's cool, but that

1118
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: doesn't make any practical sense. Why would you do that?

1119
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: It just obviously it inhabits the same universe as Inspector Gadget.

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Speaker 1: It really does. It really does, and but it makes

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00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 1: sense for a Saturday Morning cartoon that they had to

1122
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: have all of these things that would progress the plot,

1123
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: that would be more toy toy edics so that they

1124
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: could add it onto the Kenner toys. Um. So we

1125
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 1: we didn't really raw too much save for a couple

1126
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: of things. There are some nods to um one of

1127
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: my favorite real Ghostbusters vehicles, uh, the the Ecto two.

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00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: There's there's a little bit in there about that. Um.

1129
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, we we tried to steer away from because again,

1130
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 1: you can just get so caught up in trying to

1131
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: figure out, well, oh, in this episode it does this,

1132
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 1: but then in this episode it does something totally different.

1133
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: So we kind of had to stick more towards the movies,

1134
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: um and and the role playing games. We're kind of

1135
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: the same way. You know, the role playing games were

1136
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: written before cellular technology, before personal computers, before all of

1137
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: the stuff that I know, like the Ghostbusters Resurrection. Guys,

1138
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 1: they've rewritten all of the rules and they've rewritten all

1139
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 1: of the character sheets because well, you need to have

1140
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: more challenges. You're living in a modern world. You can't

1141
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: go back to the eighties. As much fun as it

1142
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 1: is to be nostalgic about that time, you want to

1143
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 1: have more challenges, more modern day challenge just so it was,

1144
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 1: it was tough, and uh, you know, it's also from

1145
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 1: an audience perspective. Obviously, you want to aim for the

1146
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 1: widest audience you can so that they can appreciate it.

1147
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,959
Speaker 1: And if you if you start including stuff from further

1148
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: afield from the movies, then you then you start you

1149
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 1: start losing people because fewer and fewer of them have

1150
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: any experience with that particular material. Right, So you start

1151
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: with the films because those the I would argue that

1152
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure those are the the versions of the

1153
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: Ghostbusters that most people have encountered. Uh, and then that

1154
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: number starts to drop off when you start looking like

1155
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 1: the cartoons probably is the next biggest. And then I

1156
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 1: would argue are the role playing games and the video games.

1157
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: Video games are probably smaller and smaller, and whereas all

1158
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: that material is still out there, so there's no reason

1159
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 1: why people can't go out and also enjoy that. I mean,

1160
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 1: the role playing game stuff, a lot of that is

1161
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 1: out of print, so that might end up looking for,

1162
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 1: you know, stuff then and use game stores and things

1163
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 1: like that. But you know, the video games, the computer

1164
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 1: games and stuff, those are still out there as well,

1165
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 1: so there's there's plenty for fans to to enjoy. But

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01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: this in particular I like, again, I love it that

1167
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 1: it's that it's tied to our real world. I love

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01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 1: that you have sourced as many of those gadgets as

1169
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: possible so people can actually look into and see what

1170
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: they were really intended for. Uh So I'm very appreciative

1171
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: of this. Oh well, thank you. Yeah, that's uh And

1172
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 1: and that was selfishly just because I wanted to know

1173
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 1: what every component is. And also, again, if you're out

1174
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 1: there and you happen to come across the fifty nine

1175
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: Miller meteor and you want to build your own replica. Well,

1176
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 1: now you know that that's the spotlight that you need

1177
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 1: to get, and that's the dimensions of the storage tube

1178
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 1: that's on the side. Um. A lot of these things

1179
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 1: that we know fans have poured over details and in

1180
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 1: the very last page of the book has a huge

1181
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 1: amount of special thanks to people because over the course

1182
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 1: of already some years, this book would not have been

1183
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 1: possible without those fans because they have found the clippered valves,

1184
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 1: they've found uh, the lagree elbows. They they sourced all

1185
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:13,919
Speaker 1: of these things over the course of you know, thirty

1186
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 1: some years, where the Internet actually helped crowdsourcing those parts

1187
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: and those components, and um, you know, being that we

1188
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 1: had to relatively write this in a short amount of time,

1189
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 1: I am so indebted to all of those fans because

1190
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 1: they did a whole lot of that legwork. This book

1191
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: would have taken another two or three years had not

1192
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 1: a lot of that stuff been done. So Um. But

1193
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 1: the good news is we're able to identify stuff that

1194
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 1: they haven't too. So when you pick this up, well,

1195
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 1: now you know that that's a pile siren and you know,

1196
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 1: especially again on the ecto of one A, here's all

1197
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 1: of those components with their exact model numbers, their exact makes,

1198
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 1: their exact dimensions, So even if you can't find it,

1199
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 1: you can probably recreate it. Um. So yeah, it's a

1200
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: I mean, that's I just hope that the level of

1201
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 1: detail comes through, uh to every and everybody finds something

1202
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 1: different within the paages of the book that they enjoy. Yeah.

1203
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 1: I I certainly think that there's there's plenty for your

1204
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 1: your Ghostbusters fans to pour through with this book. Troy Benjamin,

1205
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining my show. The book

1206
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: is Ghostbusters Ectomobile Owners Workshop Manual. It really is a

1207
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 1: treat to look through this, So make sure you pick

1208
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 1: one up for the Ghostbusters fan in your life, and

1209
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 1: might want to get one for yourself too because it's

1210
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 1: a really good read. Excellent, Thanks Jonathan. Thanks again to

1211
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 1: Troy Benjamin for joining us on this episode of Tech Stuff.

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01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 1: I very much appreciate his time. It was a lot

1213
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 1: of fun exploring the world of Ghostbusters and and kind

1214
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 1: of reverse engineering the the science of ghosts in this

1215
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 1: fictional universe. Uh. Those who have listened to tech Stuff

1216
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 1: for a long time, you guys know how I feel

1217
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 1: about the whole ghost hunting thing, so being able to

1218
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 1: talk about it from a standpoint of all right, we're

1219
01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 1: starting with this fictional world, how do we explain how

1220
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 1: this technology actually interacts with ghosts? And then coming up

1221
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: with semi quasi scientific explanations actually is a lot of fun.

1222
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 1: So I very much enjoyed this conversation. If you guys

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Speaker 1: have any suggestions for future episodes of tech Stuff, tell

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Speaker 1: I go, I have to wish you all a very

1231
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 1: happy Halloween. I hope you guys get lots of nice

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Speaker 1: treats out there. I'll be going around dressed as a

1233
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