WEBVTT - Draft Show: LIVE @ The 2017 NFL Combine - Day 4 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:12.600 Did. He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, Dallas 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:19.000 Cowboys Select Elliott and now your host Dame Brugler, David 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:23.240 Hellman and Brian brought us. Well, welcome to the Draft 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:28.280 Show here in Indianapolis, Indiana. We're at the Convention Center 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:32.480 here and on our final night, actually the final day 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:36.080 as well of the combine for us here on Dallas 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:38.320 Cowboys dot Com. I'm Brian brought us along with Dane 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:42.680 Burgler from CBS Sports, longtime member of the Draft Show, 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:46.120 David Hellman of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and a member 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:49.120 of the Draft Show as well, Ken Garrison, executive producing tonight, 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:53.400 and we welcome you to this uh final show. Like 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:59.440 I said, very interesting day when you have workouts. It 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:03.680 was a day where records were broken, and on the 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:09.000 field records were broken. Various forty yard dashes, vertical jumps, 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:13.800 broad jumps, you name it. Athletes were on display today 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:17.679 and we'll get into that. We'll also get into some 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:21.000 twitter on the twenty like we always do. I always 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:23.600 encourage you to get your questions in at at the 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:27.960 Draft Show. David Hellman will handle that. Kent Garrison monitors 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:30.600 the count, the account and so that's our way of 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:33.319 interacting with you. We have no phone as we haven't 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:36.840 had all week, but we will do that Twitter on 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:40.399 the twenty and then we'll get into David Hellman spent 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:44.600 two hours today with Jerry Jones, and if you're a 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:47.360 Cowboy fan, you definitely want to be a stick around 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:52.320 for this. Dave got some quality time with the president, 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:56.440 the owner, president, general manager, some of his thoughts on 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:59.920 the draft, what the Cowboys might and might not do. 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:03.520 Dane Burgler and I will try and make sense. Will 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:07.000 be the jury whisper if if we can be, I 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:08.480 don't know. I don't know. If you're gonna have to 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:11.120 whisper on this, We're gonna talk. We got I got 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:13.240 something good draft related from Jared. That's why I want 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:15.320 to say, I don't know. Sometimes you have to. Jerry 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:17.320 is one of those guys that I've always felt like 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:19.720 as a hard time and this is gonna sound funny lying. 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:22.080 So if you ask him a good question, he'll tell 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:24.600 you he'll give you a good answer. So I believe 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:27.600 Dave got some good stuff from the two hour meeting 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:30.120 today and that will help us with this, UH to 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:33.520 kind of put a both on things here. In Indianapolis, 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:38.480 and guys, I do want to get into just the 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:42.120 fact that the how these workouts went today, I personally, 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:44.799 you know, I love when guys run fast. I love 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:46.799 when they jump high. I love when they jump far. 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:48.680 I love when they do shuttles. I love when they 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:52.919 just work out. And you know, I saw some times 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:57.400 today that we're astounding, and then I saw some guys 0:02:57.440 --> 0:03:02.079 that we've watched on tape that weren't so astounding that 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:04.880 maybe that maybe this is what they are speed wise, 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:08.200 you know, And and so I want to get into 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:10.280 that with you, dame, but I want to always get 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:14.200 your observation first about it. And you know, you could 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:16.720 talk about Ross or the tight ends or whatever you 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:19.440 saw the quarterbacks, whatever you like to visit with about 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:21.880 your observation from today. Well, we have to start with 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:25.880 Ross uh setting a new uh you know, combine record 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:28.640 according to NFL Network the times they use with the 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:31.959 four two two forty yard dash. You know, he was flying. 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:33.920 I'm not sure his feet ever touched the ground. It 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:36.200 was pretty impressive to see him go like that, especially 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:39.120 considering he stumbled and came up lame at the end. 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:43.600 That that hammy, So you know, we knew he was fast. Uh, 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:46.160 you know, obviously that confirms it. Now is he going 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:49.200 to all of a sudden rise up boards because of that? No, 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:52.640 you know, this is not how it works. I tweeted 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:55.840 this out, but his medicals are far more important than 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:57.640 anything he would run in the forty yard dash. We 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:02.080 know he's fast now obviously that that'll help him, you know, 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:05.400 a four two times like that. But I'm still interested 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:07.480 in the medicals. We don't know what's going on there yet. 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:10.600 He needs shoulder surgery in March. He has the past 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:15.160 knee issues that will be the deciding factors. You know, 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:18.239 microfracturer didn't want to you know, I hate using that word, 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:21.840 but it's it's scariest word exactly. So with John Ross, 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:24.080 much more to it than the four two, And then 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:26.840 plenty of the receivers stood out. I think Chris Godwin 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:31.160 from Penn State good film or he has a good film. 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:34.000 You know, we came in with an already favorable opinion 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:37.360 of him, but his workouts were phenomenal. I didn't expect 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:39.520 those numbers. I didn't expect that four four two in 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:44.640 the forty yard dash. He was the only receiver two 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:48.039 hundred pounds or more to hit such a hit that number. 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:50.160 There's a couple of receivers that were faster than him, 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:54.120 Ron Ross, Curtis, Samuel, few others, but Godwin was the 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:57.160 only one two hundred pounds or more to hit that 0:04:57.200 --> 0:05:00.760 four four two mark or lower. So I'm pressed by him. 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:03.120 He also had good jumps thirty six inches in the 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:07.080 vert ten six and abroad four oz in a short shuttle, 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:10.320 which is an outstanding number for him, so eager to see. 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:11.920 I haven't seen his three cone yet, but I'm sure 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:14.360 it was. If it matches those numbers, heck of a 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:17.480 day for Godwin. Zay Jones, kind of continuing on that 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:20.880 momentum from the Senior Bowl, another one who you know, 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:25.240 he's a good test case because when you watch him 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:28.599 on film, he rarely goes vertically one hundred and fifty 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:31.880 eight catches this year, only four when thirty five yards 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:35.200 or more. But sometimes the product of the offense. You 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:38.320 can only show teams on film which you were asked 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:40.800 to do, what plays were called, what routes you're ass 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:44.000 to be run. And so for Zay Jones, I think 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:46.120 he you know, we don't see it on tape, but 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:49.080 he came here and showed he is a phenomenal athlete, 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:52.480 and that showed with his workout numbers. Thirty six and 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:55.240 a half inch vert four four five forty yard dash 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:57.359 over eleven feet and abroad if you get over eleven 0:05:57.360 --> 0:06:00.840 feet in the broad jump, it's a phenomenal blows of numbers. 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:04.200 So Zay Jones, I thought, only helped himself from the 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:06.479 Senior Bowl, and it's gonna make people go back and 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:08.279 look at that film a little bit. Uh, you know, 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:11.159 a player I initially thought, just based on the film, third, 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:14.720 fourth round, after the Senior Bowl, after the combine. I mean, 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:17.760 you have to believe that he cemented himself somewhere in 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:21.760 the top seventy five range. Just really impressive what he's 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:25.479 done just from January up until now. Perfect example of 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:28.120 why the draft process is so important for a guy 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:31.039 like that. Yeah, and we'd you know, I know, on 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:34.160 my board, and we'd had this discussion about Godwin before, 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:36.719 you know, and I felt like that he was really 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:40.520 a solid second round player, you know, and that mix 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:43.760 of guys and you know, Dave, we had some guys 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:47.280 though that that you know, that didn't really run very well, 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:49.720 that you know, that might be that second round consideration. 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:53.320 You know we talk about you know with cup you know, 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:55.640 and what we saw with him and he yeah, I 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:58.320 saw that he ran poorly, But like does that bother you? 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:00.920 Well care? Well? No, I mean it really, I mean 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:04.359 I know the tape I expected him to be and 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:07.200 Dan correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:09.520 expected him to be better than a four six two 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:12.880 man that maybe you maybe you didn't, you know, I 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:16.560 was thinking time to work for the combine, get ready 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:19.800 be be maybe a four or five maybe what maybe 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:22.720 what Chris Godwin was a four or five three guy 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:25.360 from what I saw, you know, from the times, I 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:29.720 wasn't expecting to four six two. Does that influence me? No, 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:31.840 because you can watch the tape. But I guess what 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:34.320 I'm trying to say is I think some people in 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:37.480 some draft rooms now are gonna go, well, he's a 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:40.240 four to six player, but he's a better player than that. 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:42.840 That's what I That's what do people? You think people 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:44.560 will And I've been in draft rooms where all of 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:47.040 a sudden, is it because he's a white guy, Like, well, no, no, 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:49.840 I don't think it's I don't think it's hey, No, no, 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:53.000 straight up you're not lying. I don't. I don't. I'm 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:56.120 not like and I laughed in a way because you're right. 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:59.240 I'd be like, you'll say, oh, he's just a white guy. Yeah, exactly, 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:01.400 And that's probably be the wrong way to think about it. 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:05.720 But I will say this though, I didn't expect to 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:07.960 force And maybe when he goes to Eastern Washington, maybe 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:10.640 people roll up that way the time will be better. 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:12.680 But I didn't expect that from him all the way 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:15.360 back in January. And I'm a giant, I'm a Cooper 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:18.720 Cup fanboy, right, I love he's awesome. His tape is awesome. 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:20.720 He was great at the Senior Bowl. All the way 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:24.080 back in January. I heard the player comparison of Jarvis Landry, 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:27.360 and yeah, I think it's I think it stacks up perfectly. Like, 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:29.600 I don't expec I never thought he would be a burner. 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:32.160 That's not his game, right, And I think it confirms 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:35.280 what most people thought that he's not truly an outside guy. 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:37.800 You want him to slot. That's where he's best, where 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:39.600 you know he doesn't have to go in a straight line. 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:43.880 He can manipulate routes, uh leverage defenders and create spacing 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:46.679 on his own. But you know what that forty yard 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:49.880 dash doesn't show is he has vacuum hands. Yeah, and 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:54.560 that's something I think so at four six two, I 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:58.120 don't know. I'm not very surprised by it. He's not over. 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:00.840 It's funny. You're funny. You say that because I asked 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:02.640 you that, and you're kind of you kind of both 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:05.760 palms up and be like, hey, that's what he is. Yeah, 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:10.319 Joey Boss, that's true. How about Isaiah Ford though? Four 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:13.400 six one? Yeah? See, was that a little bit different 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:16.160 for you though? Because now we're talking about like, to me, 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:21.400 Godwin Hansen, cup Ford, Westbrook? Did he Westbrook? He didn't 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:24.360 even work at at all. They're basically fifteen receivers going 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:26.640 in the second round. That's how it feels because there's 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:28.760 so many guys and I'm trying to separate him. That's 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:30.120 what I'm trying to do. I was gonna say that 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:32.280 when you led this off as yesterday we talked about 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:35.120 the log jam, like, did anything get cleared up for 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:38.960 you today? I see ran really well? Yeah, Darbo, yeah, 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:42.199 Darbou Ran Well. I was hoping that Smith Schuster from 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:44.960 USC You know me, I'm a cheerleader boy for USC 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:47.160 he did well, yeah, he don't know, he did. I 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:49.000 mean he did for that. I mean, you know, even 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:50.840 Mike Mayock is like, oh no, that's a good time, 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:53.880 like five, you know, four or five four, you know 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:56.160 it was. It was a good time for him thoughsolutely. 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:58.400 But I was kind of hoping maybe I was, like 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:00.840 I said, I was cheerleading for a couple of guys. 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:04.640 I was hopeful that the cup would you know, would 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:07.120 have run if he had ran a four to five four, 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:09.600 I think I would have felt better about that. But 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:11.360 you know, I guess it is what it is, and 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:14.480 that in that regard, though, how about the guys like 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:18.640 you know, with Henderson, you know, Taylor, some of those guys, 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:21.000 how did that? How did that shake out for you 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:23.439 as well? All right? Thought Henderson had an excellent day 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:26.280 for a player who you know is a solid two 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:29.880 hundred pounds with four four six thirty six in verse 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:34.000 ten eleven abroad, Um, I thought he confirmed what we 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:36.920 already knew that he's a very good athlete, a guy 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:41.319 who uh cannot only go deep, but on the underneath 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:43.959 stuff he can be a threat after the catch, catches 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:47.200 the ball, Welton Stride. He's another guy that's in that 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:49.960 that second round mix, and that that's really gonna make 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:54.120 it tough when we try to differentiate these receivers. It 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:55.840 comes down to what kind of receiver do you want? 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:57.960 And that's you know you're looking for a specific type 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:00.280 of receiver. That's when you can try and separate him. 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:02.400 But I think Carl Carlos Henderson confirmed what we knew. 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:05.360 The same thing with Taywan Taylor. Uh it confirmed we 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:07.880 already knew he's you know, they belonged somewhere on that 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:11.080 Day two mix. Come about Gibson, we'd kind of talked 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:13.880 about Gibson from West Virginia. Right, There's a guy when 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:17.680 you watch him play so many vertical routes, he throws 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:20.720 a four or five zero at you. I mean, is that? 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:23.120 I mean maybe we were expecting a little bit. I know, 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:25.320 I was expecting a little bit more there come out 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:27.800 and claim that you're gonna win the island. Yeah yeah, 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:30.040 I mean yeah in four or five flats a pretty 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:31.959 damn good time. But not no for a guy that 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:34.400 every time you watch him on tape, it's a vertical 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:37.439 not shot down the field. Yeah, when you're claiming that 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:39.600 you're gonna set an all time record for the forty 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:41.560 that you can't view that as anything but this I 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:44.840 think a big part of it is just big twelve defenses. 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:49.720 That's That's one of those things that is uh it 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:52.760 really kind of it can be deceiving. I mean we 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:54.400 talk about you know, we'll talk about Adam Sheheen here 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:56.480 in a little bit different two. You know, like how 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:59.160 does that well, big twelve defenses, That's that's part of it. 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:01.599 How does that you know, match up with you know, 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:03.560 and that was a big question last year with guy 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:07.880 like Corey Coleman from Baylor facing big twelve defenses. Same 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:09.760 thing with Gibson, where you know, if he's just a 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:11.760 four or five athlete at four or five, oh so, 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:14.480 I mean, you know, high four fours love four fives. 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:18.960 Chad Hanson for me, I thought he helped himself, I mean, 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:21.400 not helped himself with confirmed what we thought four or 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:23.160 five or three and the forty yard dash. But you 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:24.760 kind of have him as a guy that might be 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:28.240 a one two on your board there because yeah war 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:30.640 one right, because he didn't. I think he's more of 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:33.160 a somewhere in the top fifty Okay. So you know, 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:34.400 if I'm at the end of the first round and 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:36.960 I really want a receiver, he's the guy I'm considering. 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:40.959 But I think he's more of an early day two guy. 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:44.120 I think you saw in his drills just how he 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:48.440 can manipulate his athleticism very he controls his gears so well. Sure, 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:50.640 you know, he might not be that explosive guy who 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:53.000 just gonna, you know, take the top off a defense. 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:56.439 But the way he can control his gears and mix 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:58.920 in different things, that's why he makes him such a 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:03.560 elusive route runner, keeps defenders off balance. So I thought 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:05.520 chied Hanson helped himself with a solid time with the 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:09.000 four or five. Three. How about the quarterbacks that through today? Yeah, 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:11.240 and I had a chance to, uh, and you were 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:12.839 in on the drills. You got to sit in on 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:17.120 the first drill the first talked. I talked to a 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:19.719 scout buddy, and I asked him, Okay, which which one 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:21.680 of these quarterbacks was the best? You know, I saw 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:24.280 these quarters, which one did the best? He said it 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:27.640 was Deshaun Watson just in terms of armed talent, uh, 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:30.240 putting the ball where it needed to be. He said 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:32.360 it was pretty clearly Deshaun Watson, who had the best 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:35.440 day to day just throwing the ball, uh and something 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:39.000 else that you saw with him was kind of what 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:42.080 you would expect, I guess from a guy who you know, 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:45.080 based on what we know leaderships kind of quality. Shaun 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:47.560 Watson was the guy, you know Ralph hitting the guys 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:49.520 on the butt, you know, telling guys O get this, 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:51.880 this and this. I mean, it's just that's an innate, 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:56.000 you know, skill that he has that really carried over today. 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:58.520 And you better believe scouts are watching that. I mean, 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:02.040 the DAK comparisons are just too stupidly obvious not to make. 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:05.360 And I honestly, and you know, I don't know where 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:08.200 he goes, but that's that's got a factor into it. 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:11.880 Just that that it factor, that leadership factored all of 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:14.480 that stuff. And you know, whatever his talent level is, 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:17.560 I bet he'll get drafted above it, whether that means 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:19.760 he's back into the first round, he'll get drafted higher 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:21.320 than that, or if he's a third round guy, he'll 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:24.120 he will be pushed up because his intangibles or that 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:28.080 you think people will look at him better than Trubisky. 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:31.280 It's possible. Sure, we won't have a consensus, there will 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:33.360 not be a concessor will there be at least a 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:36.040 few teams that think that. I think that's very possible. 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:38.560 I think Mitch Trubisky had a good day too. He was, yeah, 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:42.080 polished talking to this. He said that Trubisky was number 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:44.960 two in that pecking order. Um, and so you know 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:48.360 it was it maybe as impressive, as impressive as Watson, 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:51.480 but he still had a solid day. And you know, 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:54.320 we talked about how these quarterbacks it's just there's no 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:58.080 way to know, but the intangible factor is so huge. 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:00.640 And you talked to Aaron Rodgers. You talk some of 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:04.440 these quarterbacks about what makes a good quarterback, they'll explain 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:06.880 to you that majority of it, you know, seventy five 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:11.200 percent is between the years. It's hard, it's passion, it's 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:13.680 you know, those things that you can't really gauge by 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:16.240 a forty yard dash or just watching film. I mean, 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:19.480 it's really that those innate qualities that not everyone has. 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:23.240 And Shaun Watson has it. And if you're picking i mean, 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:24.960 you know that Andrew lux of the world and the 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:27.440 Cam Newton's like the super Freaks is one thing, right, 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:29.920 But if you're picking between two guys you don't feel 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:33.000 great about or don't know about. Give me the three 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:36.600 or four year starter award winner, national title winner who 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:39.480 carried a program on his shoulders for several years over 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:42.840 the one year guy. Every day. I thought a guy 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:44.680 that looked really comfortable. By the way An e Lets 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:46.760 gets your plot, I thought a guy looked comfortable. Date 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:49.880 was and you've talked about him as a possible day 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:52.880 three guy maybe gets into the day two area. Was 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:57.440 Nate Peterman from Pittsburgh. He's the one guy that looked 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:02.880 comfortable dropping. Everybody else is such a shotgun scheme specific 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:05.680 type quarterback. He looked like the one guy that when 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:08.280 they and that's what the combine is, you started the line, 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:11.600 you drop and you throw and and it's not shotgun. 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:13.760 They don't pitch the ball and you stand there and 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:16.320 make throws. He was the one guy to me that 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:19.360 because he does that at pit did he look the 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:22.040 most comfortable right throwing the football. And that's what makes 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:24.200 I think him an easy cell is because he is 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:26.360 so well versed in a pro style scheme. There's not 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:29.760 a big projection there, and I still have questions about 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:32.560 his downfield accuracy as a decision making. But I think 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:35.680 you're you're absolutely right about just how comfortable he is 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:38.800 in his three five seven step drops, you know, load fire, 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:40.800 he can do all that, right. But what I was 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:43.800 gonna say before is Jonathan Allen came through today talking. 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:47.239 He said to Shaun Watson, easily is the best competitor 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:49.880 he's ever faced. Yeah, now, I mean this, Jonathan Allen 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:53.760 obviously saw him twice in two epic games, right, you know, 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:57.760 to decide the national title. But uh, you know he 0:16:57.800 --> 0:16:59.840 plays in the SEC. He's seen plenty of talent. He 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:03.560 played you know, he sing Dak Prescott, right, he singled 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:05.440 out the Shawn Watson said, it's the best competitor he's 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:07.959 ever faced. Kind of talk about the tight ends here 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:10.520 before we go to our first break though. You know, 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:13.920 we we we had a group that just was outstanding 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:17.840 when it came to just you know, the flying part 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:20.680 of these Uh. You know, when you got a guy 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:23.800 like O. J. Howard, you know who is uh you know, 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:26.159 two hundred and six almost sixty six, two hundred and 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:29.639 fifty one pounds and runs a four five one. You know, 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:33.120 I didn't expect him to run four five one. But man, 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:34.960 what a heck of a what a heck of a 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:38.359 move by him pulling that off today. And you know, 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:40.800 I think the we had two tight ends come in 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:44.080 over eleven feet on the broad which is just it's ridiculous. 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:46.560 There's only been so many people at the Combine and 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:48.919 combine history that I've gotten over eleven feet in the 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:50.879 broad jump. We had two tight ends do it, and 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:53.720 David and Joku and Bucky Hodges. I mean Bucky Hodges 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:55.800 to me, he's more of a receiver. But regardless, boy, 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.760 Bucky Hodges look bad getting in the stance today when 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:01.320 he had to play in What do I do? Yeah? 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:02.960 What do I? How do I put my feet? You know, 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:05.639 the coach is trying to explain the bag drill to 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:09.000 him and he's in the stance in Mike Mayock even goes, 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:11.560 he goes, oh my gosh, what's he doing? You know 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:15.520 that kind of thing. NFL coaches are just cussing. Well, 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:18.040 what I'm saying, though, there's guys, there's these these guys 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:20.720 who are like these hybrid players. Dane calls it that 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:24.840 talk site. He's absolutely right. The Evan Ingrams of the world. 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:27.440 You know a guy that's six three two and thirty 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:30.720 four pounds. That runs four four three. Surprise with Hodges 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:32.440 though he came out of two fifty seven. Yeah, it 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:35.720 doesn't look two fifty seven, but you know, hidden the 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:38.320 record coming in to U today for tight end and 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:40.520 the broad jump was ten eleven and we had two 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:42.560 get over eleven feet so and Joker would have had 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:45.000 the record if not for Hodges who had it. But no, 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:47.600 you're right with with Evan Ingram a four four two 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:50.520 in the forty yard dash officially, Yeah, that's just ridiculous. 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:53.400 And that's again why I think he's a receiver. That's 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:55.640 where he does his best work. But plenty you mentioned 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:59.080 Oj Howard, uh, plenty of tight ends had good days today, 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:01.359 Adam shaheen for a guy that's two hundred and seventy 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:04.960 eight pounds seven nine if you look good in the 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:09.399 rounds too, exactly kept the straight line, caught all that. 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:11.760 Oh yeah, I don't think this is a new This 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:14.560 is not news to us or anybody that follows the draft, 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:17.200 I think, but we can let go of the notion 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:19.520 that Oj Howard's it there at twenty eight. I feel 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:22.600 like probably, yeah, yeah, so I think so too. I 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:27.359 think that you know, now the question became, okay, could 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:30.359 there be three tight ends that go in the first 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:36.000 round that that that would be unheard of? No, I 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:37.920 don't know. If I don't know if Ashley gets into 0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:40.439 the first round, I don't know that. I think that 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:43.200 he can get top fifty. He could get top fifty easy. 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:46.080 I don't think there's a question about that now. But 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:48.080 in twenty five years of coming to this place, this 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:50.920 is the fastest group of tight ends I've ever seen. Yeah, 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:53.320 I mean, now, the problem with this group is it 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:56.359 was a pillow fight out there today in the backs. Okay, 0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:58.840 when they're hitting the backs, not they're not like true 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:01.600 tight ends. Well, you know what, though, not the ones 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:03.480 we're talking. Hey, let me tell you what. There's some 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:07.159 of these guys. Jake Butt recognizes what Jason Witten is 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:10.800 a traditional tied end, and I'm saying that though there's 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:13.119 something to having a guy that could be a traditional 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:16.159 tight end. Well, I mean, yeah, and these are mismatched players. 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:18.080 I get it. But you know what, if you're asking 0:20:18.119 --> 0:20:21.359 these guys to block, they're getting away blockers at bit. 0:20:21.560 --> 0:20:23.600 But I was a little disappointed. I didn't see anymore 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:26.560 power and snap. You know, I was looking for that 0:20:26.600 --> 0:20:28.560 a little bit. When you got athletes, you can kind 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:31.200 of get that at least make some noise like you're blocking, 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:33.439 right those guys it was it was. 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It's all yours. Okay. 0:24:29.320 --> 0:24:32.160 It's a good segue because we were just talking about 0:24:32.160 --> 0:24:34.280 tight ends and we did not talk about this guy. 0:24:35.119 --> 0:24:38.840 Jonah wants to know what can you tell me about 0:24:39.119 --> 0:24:45.000 Florida International's John who Smith and i'll as usual, you 0:24:45.000 --> 0:24:47.520 know a range if you will. Yeah, he was in 0:24:47.560 --> 0:24:50.080 the four six range today in his forties, which is 0:24:50.080 --> 0:24:52.800 a good number for him. Not the biggest guy what 0:24:52.960 --> 0:24:54.440 he came in at six two and a half, two 0:24:54.480 --> 0:24:56.840 hundred forty eight pounds him. You know, he's a little 0:24:56.880 --> 0:24:59.600 undersize what you want a traditional tight end, but he's 0:24:59.640 --> 0:25:02.639 that move uh you know style tight end, that joker 0:25:03.000 --> 0:25:06.400 that you can you know motion, you can kick him outside, uh, 0:25:06.680 --> 0:25:08.719 put him on the wing, do a couple of different 0:25:08.720 --> 0:25:11.159 things with him, more of that h back style. I 0:25:11.200 --> 0:25:13.680 think he's a very natural receiver. And you saw that 0:25:13.800 --> 0:25:15.440 Senior Bowl, Yeah, and I shared it. I thought you 0:25:15.480 --> 0:25:19.520 saw it here. Uh, John Hu Smith to me somewhere 0:25:19.520 --> 0:25:23.040 in that probably probably fourth round my game A three four. 0:25:23.760 --> 0:25:26.119 But I like him a little bit more than I 0:25:26.160 --> 0:25:28.840 think where he'll end up. But I think somewhere early 0:25:28.920 --> 0:25:30.840 day three as world Goo, I think I liked I 0:25:30.920 --> 0:25:35.160 think I like Gerald Edward Gerald Everett a little bit 0:25:35.200 --> 0:25:37.800 better than him, you know, I agree, Yeah, I saw 0:25:37.840 --> 0:25:40.440 a little bit more of him from South Alabama. So yeah, 0:25:40.480 --> 0:25:43.160 that kind of the similar styles of guys you talked 0:25:43.200 --> 0:25:46.600 about the joker guy. You know, here's the guy that 0:25:46.880 --> 0:25:50.000 Everett that came in sixty three, two thirty nine more 0:25:50.040 --> 0:25:52.399 than twelves in the Senior Bowl. But you watch his 0:25:52.480 --> 0:25:54.840 tape at South On Now there's a guy that gets 0:25:54.840 --> 0:25:57.320 in some blocks and will snap a little bit. You 0:25:57.359 --> 0:25:59.680 can see the hip role in him, try and get 0:25:59.720 --> 0:26:02.400 guys to the outside though. So I was a little 0:26:02.440 --> 0:26:05.240 bit you know, both guys actually did twenty two times 0:26:05.920 --> 0:26:08.719 on the bench on identical four six two exactly, so 0:26:08.960 --> 0:26:11.240 similar player. But I think I would like the South 0:26:11.280 --> 0:26:15.439 Alabama kid, uh Everett a little bit more than I 0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:17.880 would uh than Smith. I agree. I have a third 0:26:17.920 --> 0:26:19.720 on Everett and a three four on Smith. There you go, 0:26:19.840 --> 0:26:22.160 So you're telling me, I like I should feel good 0:26:22.160 --> 0:26:25.520 about the tight end pool beyond like the first round. 0:26:26.119 --> 0:26:28.840 Oh yeah, yeah, I think you should. Absolutely, And that's 0:26:28.880 --> 0:26:31.440 the biggest reason why you know we said this before, 0:26:31.480 --> 0:26:33.600 but why maybe an age OJ Howard could be there 0:26:34.040 --> 0:26:35.760 just because you kind of passed on them because you 0:26:35.760 --> 0:26:37.720 want to get that pass rusher early on. You want 0:26:37.720 --> 0:26:40.479 to get that you know, the corner the receiver right. 0:26:40.760 --> 0:26:42.960 So the top twenty five is filled with those positions 0:26:42.960 --> 0:26:45.240 and a guy like GoJ Howard or David and Joku 0:26:45.359 --> 0:26:47.399 could slip a little bit and could be an option. 0:26:48.320 --> 0:26:51.000 Fair enough, Alfredo wants to know DBS do their work 0:26:51.000 --> 0:26:55.560 out tomorrow Sunday. What is the most important drill to 0:26:55.680 --> 0:26:58.720 watch for DBS will be on Monday. Oh, I'm sorry, sorry, 0:26:58.840 --> 0:27:01.640 my bad, I got confused, but yeah, I mean well, 0:27:01.680 --> 0:27:03.399 I mean the forty yard dash obviously, I mean that 0:27:03.440 --> 0:27:07.760 straight line speed. A lot of times you see uh corners, man, 0:27:08.280 --> 0:27:10.440 you want to see that makeup speed as well. Uh 0:27:10.480 --> 0:27:12.919 you know at playing the cornerback position, it's inevitable you're 0:27:12.960 --> 0:27:14.639 gonna get beat and you're gonna have to make up 0:27:14.680 --> 0:27:16.600 a few steps. So I want to see him there, 0:27:17.080 --> 0:27:19.600 you know, three cones obviously a big one vertical like 0:27:19.680 --> 0:27:23.199 that an actual explosion. But the positional drills where I like. 0:27:23.520 --> 0:27:25.960 I love watching the positional drills with the corners and 0:27:25.960 --> 0:27:29.679 the DBS that back pedal, the backpedal, turn open and go. 0:27:29.840 --> 0:27:33.199 Can you stay on a vertical plane? Drill right, can 0:27:33.280 --> 0:27:36.040 you stay low in your pedal, use your hips, stay 0:27:36.080 --> 0:27:38.879 on that vertical plane and not lose speed, not have 0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:43.440 to you know, gather yourself gear down, you maintain that momentum. 0:27:43.840 --> 0:27:46.040 That's something that a lot of colleges they don't ask 0:27:46.040 --> 0:27:49.520 you to press and play with the natural transition that 0:27:49.640 --> 0:27:51.280 a lot of NFL teams are gonna ask you to do. 0:27:51.359 --> 0:27:54.560 So that drill, to me, exposed a lot of guys 0:27:54.600 --> 0:27:56.520 who have struggles. Well, I'll tell you what, you are 0:27:56.560 --> 0:27:59.280 absolutely right. That was my favorite one. If you go 0:27:59.320 --> 0:28:01.480 away from the TV though, and are you tape this 0:28:01.600 --> 0:28:03.440 and you want to come back and watch watch the 0:28:03.560 --> 0:28:06.000 drill again. The Raiders are the ones that got this 0:28:06.119 --> 0:28:10.280 drill in. Actually Al Davis, you know, he said, listen, 0:28:10.400 --> 0:28:13.760 let's let these guys pedal. Let's let them turn and 0:28:13.800 --> 0:28:16.560 then burst and they do it to the right, and 0:28:16.640 --> 0:28:19.000 they do it to the left, and they don't they 0:28:19.000 --> 0:28:21.639 don't know, and they don't Yeah, defender or the coach 0:28:21.680 --> 0:28:24.040 will yeah direct them why they're gonna go. Yeah. It 0:28:24.560 --> 0:28:26.680 really really helps you that way though. I mean when 0:28:26.680 --> 0:28:29.679 you could pedal, turn and burst that I love those drills. 0:28:29.680 --> 0:28:33.800 And when they do the ball skilled drills, right, dbs 0:28:33.960 --> 0:28:36.480 where Yeah, it's like soccer. It's like soccer boys, some 0:28:36.600 --> 0:28:39.040 goats out there, fire a fastball at them, right, you know, 0:28:39.480 --> 0:28:42.959 you see which dbs have the soft hands, stone hands. Right. Uh, 0:28:43.400 --> 0:28:45.360 that's a fun drill to watch. It absolutely kind of 0:28:45.400 --> 0:28:48.280 covered it all anyway. Yeah, dbs are fun to watch. 0:28:48.520 --> 0:28:51.920 That's my personal that's my person. Yeah, the receivers and 0:28:52.040 --> 0:28:55.480 quarterbacks with two hours and forty five minutes today, as 0:28:55.720 --> 0:28:58.480 I mean that is a marathon's kind of bogged down. Well, 0:28:58.480 --> 0:29:00.760 there's some things they probably need to take out of 0:29:00.760 --> 0:29:03.520 that a little bit, but I think the dbs go 0:29:03.640 --> 0:29:05.760 two hours and forty five minutes. I think every drill 0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:08.680 you get something out of it. Though. Yeah, it's important position, 0:29:08.680 --> 0:29:10.600 as we all know. I know we touched on him 0:29:10.640 --> 0:29:12.880 in the first segment, but Josh would just like you 0:29:12.960 --> 0:29:16.280 ought to talk a little bit more about Evan Ingram. Yeah, 0:29:16.320 --> 0:29:18.120 you know, I list him as a receiver, and I 0:29:18.160 --> 0:29:20.680 think because that's how he's used it will miss. I 0:29:20.680 --> 0:29:24.040 don't see an inline guy, regardless of what you call him. Receiver, 0:29:24.080 --> 0:29:27.400 a tight end, very athletic and obviously he showed that 0:29:27.440 --> 0:29:29.640 today with four four two with the way he can 0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:33.080 stretch the seam the way you know, he can manipulate 0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:35.360 space over the middle of the field. I think he 0:29:35.400 --> 0:29:38.320 has reliable hands. But again, just not a guy you 0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:41.920 want in line, you know, blocking, or you can use 0:29:42.000 --> 0:29:44.360 him maybe on the wing, use him in different scenarios 0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:47.360 where he'll need to just sustain for a moment or 0:29:47.360 --> 0:29:49.880 two just to slow down defenders. But he's not an 0:29:49.880 --> 0:29:52.600 overpowering guy in that sense. But he's an athlete. Let 0:29:52.680 --> 0:29:55.240 him go run routes, let him be a weapon on 0:29:55.280 --> 0:29:57.680 your offense that your quarterback and throw too. Yeah. I 0:29:57.680 --> 0:30:00.760 think this guy is a really nice job of finding space. Yeah, 0:30:00.800 --> 0:30:03.160 you know, that's his ability. He has an awareness of 0:30:03.160 --> 0:30:05.200 where he needs to be in a round. I think 0:30:05.320 --> 0:30:08.360 Dane has got him cold as far as the where 0:30:08.360 --> 0:30:10.280 he where he is, where around you give him. I 0:30:10.760 --> 0:30:13.160 put him in the third is what I did. I 0:30:13.560 --> 0:30:16.640 love him more as as the receiving traits than I 0:30:16.680 --> 0:30:18.960 do the blocking traits. Let me ask you this real quick. 0:30:19.000 --> 0:30:21.360 Sorry to cut you off, but so you're drafting this 0:30:21.360 --> 0:30:24.360 guy in the third round to play receiver though basically 0:30:24.360 --> 0:30:26.880 to play to play doing with him, I think you're 0:30:26.920 --> 0:30:30.560 you're draft him to be that hybrid player that I mean, 0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:33.080 he's not an in line player. He plays. When you 0:30:33.120 --> 0:30:35.480 watch him, he rarely puts his hand on the ground. 0:30:35.600 --> 0:30:39.120 He plays as a wing. He plays detached. He's always 0:30:39.160 --> 0:30:42.120 going up the field, and when he does block, he's 0:30:42.160 --> 0:30:45.360 a he lacks sustain My my, my concern here is 0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:48.000 that we we rode the Gavin Escobar ride and it 0:30:48.000 --> 0:30:50.200 didn't work out. And based on the like what the 0:30:50.200 --> 0:30:52.320 Cowboys want to do. Yeah, I mean, if he can 0:30:52.360 --> 0:30:55.040 play a receiver outside and be good, fine, but I 0:30:55.080 --> 0:30:56.800 don't I don't need because that's not how they want 0:30:56.800 --> 0:31:00.200 to use their Jeff Swain can catch the football, can 0:31:00.240 --> 0:31:02.480 also block. That's my point. I have a one two 0:31:02.520 --> 0:31:05.640 on ingram Um because I think he's a big slot receiver. 0:31:06.000 --> 0:31:08.040 I don't think he's you know, a tight end. I 0:31:08.040 --> 0:31:09.760 don't think he should be used as one. I think 0:31:09.760 --> 0:31:11.640 you put him in the slot kind of like how 0:31:11.720 --> 0:31:14.800 the Saints used Marquis Colston. You know that big slot guy, 0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:17.080 and let him you know, he not only can he 0:31:17.120 --> 0:31:18.720 work the middle of the field, but he can run 0:31:18.760 --> 0:31:21.840 different routes. And I don't know. To me, I have 0:31:21.920 --> 0:31:23.600 that value in the top forty. Now you have to 0:31:23.600 --> 0:31:25.880 buy into that I don't think it worked for the Cowboy. Yeah, 0:31:25.960 --> 0:31:30.440 that's you know, right, being as I am super intriguing player, 0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:32.840 not for this team, it's not. In my opinion, I 0:31:33.160 --> 0:31:37.440 agree with that. Um, somebody wanted to know what did 0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:40.719 y'all think about Pat Pat Mahomes today? What about that 0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:43.680 Pat Mahomes? You see the arm talent, it's I mean, 0:31:43.720 --> 0:31:46.760 it's clear the guy can spray it all over the field. Um. 0:31:46.800 --> 0:31:49.720 You know, I don't think we expected to see this 0:31:50.000 --> 0:31:53.280 monumental transition where all of a sudden he's looked smooth 0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:56.360 in his back pet or in his h in his footwork, 0:31:56.400 --> 0:31:59.120 and you know the mechanics and obviously has a long 0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:02.040 way to go. We saw that today. But you know 0:32:02.320 --> 0:32:05.040 the ball, the way it comes off his hand, it's special. Yeah, 0:32:05.040 --> 0:32:06.880 it really is. The Thing that I noticed about Pat 0:32:06.920 --> 0:32:10.320 Mahomes throwing the football today is if he had three 0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:13.640 shots to throw the ball, and maybe one on the 0:32:13.680 --> 0:32:16.240 out was a little behind, and maybe the next one 0:32:16.320 --> 0:32:19.000 was a little behind, the third one was where it 0:32:19.040 --> 0:32:23.000 needed to be. It's kind of like he said, throw, oh, 0:32:23.040 --> 0:32:26.360 you clap the hands, throw, clap the hands, and then 0:32:26.360 --> 0:32:29.800 it was throw Okay, that's where it needs to be. So, yeah, 0:32:29.880 --> 0:32:32.720 Mahomes is gonna need a lot of work. I mean 0:32:32.760 --> 0:32:36.080 he really really is. The dance right again, The armed 0:32:36.120 --> 0:32:39.440 talent's there. The ability to throw from different platforms, that's 0:32:39.520 --> 0:32:43.000 something that everybody's gonna talk about. There's gonna be comparisons 0:32:43.000 --> 0:32:45.880 to him about how he drops down, how he can 0:32:45.960 --> 0:32:48.400 throw over the top, how he can throw to his left, 0:32:48.560 --> 0:32:50.400 how he can throw to his right. I mean, these 0:32:50.440 --> 0:32:52.960 are all things we saw Dak Prescott too. I mean 0:32:53.480 --> 0:32:56.360 we saw all his his ability to run full to 0:32:56.440 --> 0:32:59.280 his left and fire the ball outside or open up 0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:02.240 his up his hips and throw the ball down the field. 0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:04.760 These are things that Pat Mahomes can do. And we'll 0:33:04.800 --> 0:33:07.560 hear more about that as the workouts and we'll see, 0:33:07.760 --> 0:33:11.200 we'll see how things shake out for him. Maybe there'll 0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:13.640 be some video of him, and you know, we get 0:33:13.680 --> 0:33:15.440 this at the Cowboys where they work out with him, 0:33:15.600 --> 0:33:18.360 and maybe you'll see a different quarterback. Maybe you won't 0:33:18.440 --> 0:33:24.200 see the gun slinger loose ability. You'll see more of 0:33:24.200 --> 0:33:27.680 a tightened up throwing motion and more of a step. 0:33:27.920 --> 0:33:30.040 You know. That's the thing that happened to Kaiser, I 0:33:30.040 --> 0:33:31.840 think a little bit to I think Mike Mayock and 0:33:32.000 --> 0:33:36.120 even a car the former quarterback brought this up. Kaiser 0:33:36.200 --> 0:33:38.200 never stepped in the same spot when he was throwing 0:33:38.240 --> 0:33:41.120 the ball. Everything was step here, and then it was 0:33:41.160 --> 0:33:44.320 step here, and they never He never hit that spot, 0:33:44.360 --> 0:33:45.520 and I think you saw it with a lot of 0:33:45.600 --> 0:33:49.160 quarterbacks to that. And then the accuracy suffers because foot 0:33:49.240 --> 0:33:52.400 hits here wide, foots hits in the middle, foot hits here, 0:33:52.680 --> 0:33:55.000 So you don't see that. These guys have got to 0:33:55.040 --> 0:33:57.360 tighten up some of their throwing motions, though they really 0:33:57.440 --> 0:33:58.920 do it. I was a little surprised at Mahomes. I 0:33:58.920 --> 0:34:00.920 thought he'd run a little better in four eight. Yeah, 0:34:01.480 --> 0:34:03.080 I didn't think he was a four three guy, but 0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:06.200 I thought, you know, he could maybe for six at least, 0:34:06.280 --> 0:34:09.040 maybe get like Josh Dobbs, right, Josh Dobbs in the 0:34:09.040 --> 0:34:11.520 four six, four six, five rounds. I thought Dobbs is 0:34:11.520 --> 0:34:15.799 impressive athletically, he's he's impressive like with everything except you know, 0:34:15.880 --> 0:34:18.640 throwing the bottle. The right team which is you know, 0:34:18.640 --> 0:34:21.640 I mean, he's he's intelligent, he's a leader, he's a 0:34:21.719 --> 0:34:25.160 mobile guy, he's big, strong arm. I just don't I 0:34:25.160 --> 0:34:27.360 don't know, but something I bet you some team buys 0:34:27.400 --> 0:34:29.439 into him, and we'll want to develop that and he'll 0:34:29.480 --> 0:34:32.040 go a lot higher than you know, and Kobe Brissette 0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:34.880 through the ball better than this guy. Oh yeah, so 0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:37.200 what I'm saying, but an athlete that kind of you know, 0:34:37.280 --> 0:34:41.520 that kind of guy, right, yeah, its it too far 0:34:41.640 --> 0:34:44.600 a comparison. Well, Brissette went what third round? Yeah, so 0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:47.120 and that's too I think, right, I think this is 0:34:47.120 --> 0:34:49.120 a guy you think maybe, but somebody took it. The 0:34:49.360 --> 0:34:52.239 Patriots took a chance on set. I think Dobbs is 0:34:52.239 --> 0:34:55.000 a guy fourth fifth round. Maybe a team will pull 0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:57.040 the trigger. I don't know. I have him as a PFA. 0:34:57.120 --> 0:34:58.719 I don't think he see but I saw it with 0:34:58.760 --> 0:35:00.480 Dobbs today when the ball when they were throwing them, 0:35:00.480 --> 0:35:03.040 when they're running the routes, like especially the routes where 0:35:03.080 --> 0:35:05.840 the receiver had to like make the adjustment over the 0:35:05.880 --> 0:35:09.280 head adjustment. He was the one guy that was throwing 0:35:09.320 --> 0:35:12.239 the ball the best of the guys throwing the ball 0:35:12.280 --> 0:35:14.800 down the field. And that might help him. Yeah. Maybe 0:35:14.880 --> 0:35:16.880 someone says, well, maybe this is when we work on 0:35:16.880 --> 0:35:20.400 the underneath stuff, and ask a Tennessee man, you know, 0:35:20.440 --> 0:35:22.759 it's just no, no, you're right, you're right, I don't. 0:35:22.800 --> 0:35:25.760 I don't. I'm just saying he has pressure in his face. Uh, 0:35:25.800 --> 0:35:27.520 you know, the ball just it's got a mind of 0:35:27.560 --> 0:35:30.960 its own. Kaya Kaya perfect example. Sure. I mean he 0:35:31.040 --> 0:35:33.120 looked great throwing the ball around today when no one's 0:35:33.160 --> 0:35:35.080 hitting him exactly. He set up for something like this, 0:35:35.120 --> 0:35:37.440 we're in shorts and in seven on seven. Yeah, he 0:35:37.440 --> 0:35:40.399 can do it. But when the bullets flying, and that's 0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:43.440 not something he's comfortable with, and that's when the accuracy suffered, 0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:47.160 mechanics suffer. Um and yeah, ka Kaya is a good 0:35:47.200 --> 0:35:49.439 example of a player who looks good in this type 0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:53.320 of setting, but when you watch the tape and you know, yeah, 0:35:53.320 --> 0:35:56.800 he's all it's all over the place, right, Pat mahomes 0:35:56.880 --> 0:36:00.279 first round pick. That's how I feel. I don't. Yeah, 0:36:00.280 --> 0:36:05.680 I don't disagree. I just it's more that would be 0:36:05.719 --> 0:36:08.440 a you know, that would be a gutsy call. I 0:36:08.480 --> 0:36:10.840 don't know. I don't know as a general manager that 0:36:10.960 --> 0:36:13.000 I can make that call now. I couldn't know. He's 0:36:13.000 --> 0:36:14.359 not a first round pick for me, but I do 0:36:14.400 --> 0:36:17.880 think there will be one that recognize the talent. Casey 0:36:18.200 --> 0:36:22.360 late second round and John Dorsey's a bold guy. Yeah, 0:36:22.360 --> 0:36:25.520 you know, it's Brian's like, Noah, he's gonna take that 0:36:25.640 --> 0:36:28.800 runner from Oklahoma that we're gonna go see on Wednesday, probably, 0:36:28.800 --> 0:36:30.160 but he knows he can get him in the third round. 0:36:30.200 --> 0:36:32.319 Now he might take him in the first. I like 0:36:32.440 --> 0:36:35.879 to award outside the box. Outside the box thinking I'm 0:36:35.920 --> 0:36:39.280 just ignoring that. Uh, Bobby friend of the show, Bobby 0:36:39.320 --> 0:36:45.399 belt Um, he says, given log jam at receiver, obviously, uh. 0:36:45.480 --> 0:36:49.160 And given the impressive performances from John Ross and Chad Hanson, 0:36:50.440 --> 0:36:53.839 is Corey Davis at twenty eight becoming a possibility? I 0:36:53.880 --> 0:36:56.000 don't think I really see this, but I don't know 0:36:56.360 --> 0:36:58.560 your way. It's funny because we were talking about this earlier. 0:36:58.560 --> 0:37:00.759 But whenever they show a Corey Dave his highlight, it's 0:37:00.760 --> 0:37:05.400 against Buffalo or it's against you know, I just compent 0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:08.680 to that Wisconsin Cotton Bowl highlight. Is that what you're saying? Oh, yeah, 0:37:08.719 --> 0:37:11.640 he had a few highlights from that game, sure, but predominantly, 0:37:11.640 --> 0:37:14.400 you know, his career was built playing Matt competition, and 0:37:14.440 --> 0:37:16.759 that's just it's not his fault. That's who recruited him, 0:37:16.760 --> 0:37:18.800 that's where he went to play, and that's where he dominated. 0:37:19.000 --> 0:37:21.319 And so it's a shame. We can't couldn't see him here. 0:37:21.320 --> 0:37:23.320 We won't see him on his pro day. He plans 0:37:23.320 --> 0:37:27.040 to have a workout prior to the draft, but we're 0:37:27.040 --> 0:37:29.319 talking not until mid April. We won't have numbers on 0:37:29.360 --> 0:37:31.359 this guy. Is there a team in the Big Ten 0:37:31.440 --> 0:37:35.080 that he couldn't play for? Oh no, no, no, there's 0:37:35.080 --> 0:37:36.640 not a team in the country he couldn't play for. 0:37:37.000 --> 0:37:39.640 But wait, so see, I that's what I'm trying. I'm 0:37:39.680 --> 0:37:42.759 trying to I guess I'm trying to justify. Is it 0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:46.680 his fault that he ended up at Western Michigan because 0:37:46.719 --> 0:37:49.680 somebody missed him, a Big Ten team missed It's the 0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:52.680 same it's the same story as why did Antonio Brown 0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:55.399 go to Central Michigan or righted you know, Jerry Race 0:37:55.480 --> 0:37:58.600 go to Mississippi Valley State. Yeah, I mean it's I 0:37:58.600 --> 0:38:01.400 think it's that type of deal where that you know 0:38:01.440 --> 0:38:03.359 that that happens. You know, why would J. J. Watt 0:38:03.400 --> 0:38:05.080 have to be a walk on? Yeah? See we talk 0:38:05.120 --> 0:38:07.439 about Cooper Cup because is there a Pac twelve team 0:38:07.520 --> 0:38:10.120 that he couldn't have played for? Well so, but Dane 0:38:10.480 --> 0:38:13.279 to the point, you don't think those red flags will 0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:15.319 push him that far? Down the poort. Oh yeah, there's 0:38:15.320 --> 0:38:17.160 just no, there's too many teams that could use a 0:38:17.239 --> 0:38:20.120 receiver like that. Um, he's my number one guy. Yeah, 0:38:20.160 --> 0:38:22.200 and I don't I think there are too many. And 0:38:22.560 --> 0:38:25.200 I love Williams too. He made too many fans around 0:38:25.239 --> 0:38:27.319 the league for him to follow that far. I have 0:38:27.360 --> 0:38:29.000 a I think it's a long shot he falls. He 0:38:29.040 --> 0:38:31.760 makes the twenties. Yeah, you know, as long as the ankles, 0:38:31.920 --> 0:38:35.359 Williams might go ahead of him. Willis what if Williams run? 0:38:35.440 --> 0:38:37.880 What if Williams doesn't run real well and then all 0:38:37.880 --> 0:38:40.319 of a sudden, Williams is a different story. He makes 0:38:40.320 --> 0:38:42.120 a ton of plays on tape, though you could see 0:38:42.160 --> 0:38:44.680 them all well, sure, but watch the National Championship game. 0:38:44.840 --> 0:38:46.880 The elephant in the room is a guy that was 0:38:46.960 --> 0:38:49.680 drafted in the first round last year, old miss. Yeah, 0:38:49.719 --> 0:38:52.680 you're right about though, you know, a guy that had 0:38:52.719 --> 0:38:56.239 one catch on Yeah. Man, you know, that's just it's 0:38:56.280 --> 0:38:59.880 an unfair comparison. But the truth is, Mike Williams is 0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:02.239 not a guy. It's not a speedster. His game is 0:39:02.280 --> 0:39:06.320 not built on speed. And it's gonna be hard to overlook, 0:39:06.600 --> 0:39:08.960 you know, especially after what happened last year to a 0:39:08.960 --> 0:39:10.680 lot of us. I thought, I don't think he's gonna 0:39:10.719 --> 0:39:13.839 fall to twenty eight Mike Williams, Corey Davis. But with 0:39:13.880 --> 0:39:16.520 that said, I do think that uh and Ross has 0:39:16.600 --> 0:39:19.759 really beat up. If you think about him, there might 0:39:19.800 --> 0:39:23.040 not be a first round receiver and the second round 0:39:23.080 --> 0:39:26.000 receiver might be the answer. With all those guys we 0:39:26.120 --> 0:39:28.239 talked about, Yeah, we talked about with the tight end, 0:39:28.280 --> 0:39:30.160 you know why you wait because you get one later 0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:34.080 receiver is just in that mix too. I love good segues, 0:39:34.120 --> 0:39:36.799 and that was one. A couple of people asked just 0:39:37.000 --> 0:39:40.840 and we've talked about his combine, but Zay Jones, we 0:39:41.000 --> 0:39:43.120 were talking about here, where where are we at? Where 0:39:43.120 --> 0:39:47.240 don't you thinking did he move himself up? Maybe a round? 0:39:47.239 --> 0:39:50.799 By what he why? What he what he ran? I 0:39:50.800 --> 0:39:53.839 think between the Senior Bowl and what he did today, Yes, 0:39:53.960 --> 0:39:55.799 I think he in my mind, he went from a 0:39:55.800 --> 0:39:58.960 borderline top one hundred pick third fourth round right up 0:39:59.040 --> 0:40:01.800 until a guy that belongs to somewhere top seventy five. Okay, 0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:05.160 so we're talking second round, right, Maybe chance he gets 0:40:05.160 --> 0:40:07.440 in the early third, but he's not gonna wait long 0:40:07.480 --> 0:40:08.920 on day two to hear his name. I don't think 0:40:08.960 --> 0:40:11.600 he's a first round guy. Um, but I think he's 0:40:11.760 --> 0:40:14.719 a very quality receiver who there's a lot there's so 0:40:14.800 --> 0:40:16.319 much to like about him. There is a lot to 0:40:16.400 --> 0:40:18.439 like about him at But Dane, you boy, you brought 0:40:18.520 --> 0:40:21.040 up something. You watch that tape, it's like one hundred 0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:23.919 and thirty balls going sideways. Yeah, there's not a lot 0:40:23.920 --> 0:40:26.359 of him. There's some, there's some, there's a couple. I mean, 0:40:26.400 --> 0:40:29.080 I trying to remember the game where I remember one 0:40:29.080 --> 0:40:30.440 of the games so I was watching. It might have 0:40:30.480 --> 0:40:33.480 been they play South Carolina. Ball went down the field though, 0:40:33.520 --> 0:40:36.040 adjusting catch down the field, and I'm like going, oh, 0:40:36.080 --> 0:40:39.160 there's one. But but the majority of his stuff is 0:40:39.280 --> 0:40:43.200 sideways or slants or the in the end kind of 0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:45.960 stuff and not at intermediate debt. And that's where it's 0:40:46.000 --> 0:40:48.480 it's or sideline outs. There's another thing. I mean, he's 0:40:48.520 --> 0:40:50.200 got that balance. That's where he has to be a 0:40:50.200 --> 0:40:52.760 good scout. You know, we're talking about with corners who 0:40:52.880 --> 0:40:56.200 you know, they have the the body to press, but 0:40:56.280 --> 0:40:58.400 they weren't asked to do it and call it, you know, 0:40:58.480 --> 0:41:01.000 or you know, a receiver who had the vertical skills 0:41:01.320 --> 0:41:03.359 wasn't asked to do it. You know he averaged under 0:41:03.360 --> 0:41:06.000 eleven yards per catch in college. Right, it's an alarming 0:41:06.440 --> 0:41:08.880 low number. Right, Yeah, you know, but it's just you 0:41:08.880 --> 0:41:12.040 can't the way he was used and watching him on tape, 0:41:12.080 --> 0:41:14.880 you thought, you know, this guy, he's a slot only 0:41:15.120 --> 0:41:19.440 receiver who you know, not gonna stretch the defense out vertically, 0:41:19.480 --> 0:41:21.759 but he has the numbers that tells you he can 0:41:21.840 --> 0:41:26.680 do it, just wasn't asked to do it. Eddie Long 0:41:26.719 --> 0:41:29.279 and similar line. But Eddie wants to know. And I 0:41:29.280 --> 0:41:32.200 mean obviously potentially from the last couple of days, um 0:41:32.360 --> 0:41:34.719 guys who maybe have snuck into the back end of 0:41:34.760 --> 0:41:37.879 the first round in your eyes, that weren't there. Trying 0:41:37.920 --> 0:41:40.600 to think of some guys that potentially the Cowboys could 0:41:40.640 --> 0:41:42.800 be sound like a Cowboys angle. I mean it is 0:41:42.840 --> 0:41:44.719 an angled toward the Cowboys, but it doesn't have How 0:41:44.719 --> 0:41:47.680 about Godwin? I mean, I know I have him in 0:41:47.680 --> 0:41:50.640 the second round. He's my number one receiver in the 0:41:50.640 --> 0:41:53.680 second round. About a guy we haven't talked about yet, 0:41:53.680 --> 0:41:56.680 Curtis Samuel four three one today. Okay, now there you 0:41:56.760 --> 0:41:59.439 got I think a player who you know he worked 0:41:59.520 --> 0:42:01.799 out with the Sievers, but you know we both are 0:42:01.880 --> 0:42:04.759 running back both believe he's a running back. But if 0:42:04.920 --> 0:42:07.359 I think the fact that he can he can do both, 0:42:07.400 --> 0:42:09.000 that there's a discussion there. It tells you a boy 0:42:09.080 --> 0:42:11.759 his versatility. So you're saying we're gonna have two first 0:42:11.840 --> 0:42:15.600 round gadgetbacks, I'm just telling you. His kid is five 0:42:15.719 --> 0:42:19.759 eleven one ninety six and he went four three one 0:42:20.000 --> 0:42:23.040 eighteen times with the wags, thirty seven with the vertical, 0:42:23.160 --> 0:42:26.560 nine eleven with the broad. He's got the shuttle of 0:42:27.080 --> 0:42:29.800 four three three, which is a little surprising because I 0:42:29.800 --> 0:42:32.279 thought he'd be a little bit quicker than that. But 0:42:32.360 --> 0:42:35.200 I'll tell you what though, watching him run routes and stuff, 0:42:35.480 --> 0:42:37.879 he's a running back to me, I agree. I mean 0:42:38.000 --> 0:42:41.440 he is. Well, he's in that Christian McCaffrey mold where 0:42:41.440 --> 0:42:44.080 you know he's not only a running back. I think 0:42:44.160 --> 0:42:46.160 if you're gonna label him as something on a roster, 0:42:46.320 --> 0:42:48.640 I agree, you put the RD next to his name, 0:42:49.160 --> 0:42:51.520 but you let him go in the slot. He's the 0:42:51.600 --> 0:42:54.320 chess piece on an offense where you move him around 0:42:54.520 --> 0:42:56.600 right and you stress out the defense because the defense 0:42:56.640 --> 0:42:58.080 is wonder Okay, what's he gonna do? Is he going 0:42:58.080 --> 0:42:59.600 out to run routes? Sure? Is he going to stay 0:42:59.600 --> 0:43:01.920 in him blow? Is he gonna get the handoff? He 0:43:02.000 --> 0:43:05.360 just he keeps defenses guessing and a player like that 0:43:05.360 --> 0:43:08.200 that can beat that type of weapon you can use 0:43:08.239 --> 0:43:11.120 Curtis Samuel, So I think he's he was in a 0:43:11.200 --> 0:43:14.040 top forty mix before. I think he definitely is now. Okay, well, 0:43:14.080 --> 0:43:16.400 thank you very much for all the questions on Twitter 0:43:16.440 --> 0:43:19.200 on the twenty. We appreciate the interaction we have. We 0:43:19.280 --> 0:43:21.239 will continue to always do that. 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This gun report 0:46:48.960 --> 0:46:53.120 to no details too small, so uh yeah, check that out. 0:46:53.640 --> 0:46:55.640 It should be ready here at the end of this month. 0:46:56.640 --> 0:46:58.640 Before we get talking about Erry Jones, I did want 0:46:58.640 --> 0:47:01.440 to mention, Yeah, we've heard for some defensive lineman today, 0:47:02.120 --> 0:47:04.640 Tack McKinley being one of them. Yes, a player that 0:47:04.760 --> 0:47:07.840 I know, Cowboy, A lot of Cowboys fans are interested in. Uh, 0:47:07.880 --> 0:47:10.359 he's gonna do everything tomorrow and the drills even though 0:47:10.360 --> 0:47:13.000 he has a bum right shoulder he has he's having 0:47:13.000 --> 0:47:16.560 surgery on Monday, right, Uh, do the workouts and he 0:47:16.640 --> 0:47:19.400 was gonna still benching tells a warrior. This guy is 0:47:19.440 --> 0:47:21.880 Seriously he revealed today that he's had that injury the 0:47:21.960 --> 0:47:24.440 last two years. He's played through it. So Uh, some 0:47:24.520 --> 0:47:28.080 interesting things from Tach McKinley today learning about that injury. Uh. 0:47:28.360 --> 0:47:31.239 Just he's an interesting player. And I think David said 0:47:31.239 --> 0:47:34.439 the best you know it, the team that gets him 0:47:34.560 --> 0:47:36.319 the media will be happy with the sound bite you're 0:47:36.320 --> 0:47:39.600 gonna get from this guy's And yeah, it's unbelieving. And 0:47:39.760 --> 0:47:42.280 he's just like, yeah, like this is my dream. Obviously, 0:47:42.320 --> 0:47:44.600 I'm I mean, I played two years with this thing. Obviously, 0:47:44.640 --> 0:47:46.600 I'm just gonna like go through all these workouts with 0:47:46.640 --> 0:47:50.160 a torn laborum. Yeah, that's insane. Yeah, and he's just like, yeah, 0:47:50.360 --> 0:47:53.840 he's and also wanting to Miles Garrett revealed today that 0:47:53.920 --> 0:47:56.600 he had hurt his ankle, you know and any type. 0:47:56.640 --> 0:47:58.240 So if you're one of those guys who are watching 0:47:58.280 --> 0:48:01.680 tape or Gallus is watching tape anything after the Arkansas 0:48:01.800 --> 0:48:03.560 game is really bad for him because he got his 0:48:03.920 --> 0:48:07.400 ankle Hurton practice. You gotta watch September UCLA this he's 0:48:07.440 --> 0:48:11.160 an opener. Yeah, that injury happening against Arkansas and then 0:48:11.200 --> 0:48:13.400 the rest of the season he was he struggled with 0:48:13.480 --> 0:48:15.160 he thought he was coming back, and then he revealed 0:48:15.200 --> 0:48:18.880 today that someone uh you know, ran into him reinjured 0:48:18.880 --> 0:48:22.160 that ankle during practice. So that really kept him side 0:48:22.239 --> 0:48:24.640 not sideline because he's on the field, but he gimpie 0:48:24.760 --> 0:48:26.480 the rest of the year and that's why, you know, 0:48:26.640 --> 0:48:29.040 I think he was not as effective as you usually 0:48:29.040 --> 0:48:32.560 expect him to against Alabama and against the bigger teams 0:48:32.600 --> 0:48:35.440 down the stretch. Right, And Jabrill Peppers was another one 0:48:35.520 --> 0:48:38.319 we got a chance to visit with. Jabrill Peppers will 0:48:38.360 --> 0:48:42.960 work out with the linebackers and the defensive backs on Monday, 0:48:43.120 --> 0:48:46.680 so he has an arrangement with the combine to be 0:48:46.719 --> 0:48:49.320 able to do position drills. He's gonna run his forty 0:48:49.840 --> 0:48:53.920 with the linebackers tomorrow, do all their drills, stay over, 0:48:54.520 --> 0:48:57.360 and then on Monday, not run the forty again, but 0:48:57.520 --> 0:49:02.439 just do the drills with the defensive backs. So he 0:49:02.520 --> 0:49:04.719 was asked first question out of the blocks. They said, 0:49:04.760 --> 0:49:07.400 what position you place is? What do I look like 0:49:07.480 --> 0:49:10.839 I play? You know, he sees himself as a defensive Yeah, 0:49:10.840 --> 0:49:13.360 he sees safe. He sees himself as a safety. But 0:49:13.400 --> 0:49:15.960 he's going through the linebacker drills as well, because that's 0:49:15.960 --> 0:49:18.120 the position he was listed at the start the year. 0:49:18.239 --> 0:49:20.399 And he also said he would be willing to work 0:49:20.400 --> 0:49:22.879 out on the offensive side for exactly for the running 0:49:23.560 --> 0:49:26.120 teams that want to look him. We kind of we 0:49:26.200 --> 0:49:28.680 kind of hinted that that's when I thought that maybe 0:49:28.680 --> 0:49:31.279 his best position might even be as a running back. 0:49:31.360 --> 0:49:34.040 So we'll see. Yeah, put the balls hands, so we'll see. 0:49:34.040 --> 0:49:36.279 Those are all things that he can All you can 0:49:36.320 --> 0:49:39.000 do is do what a lot of versatil players, a 0:49:39.000 --> 0:49:41.880 lot of versus players. Okay, David, you had the opportunity, 0:49:41.920 --> 0:49:44.600 you got to spend two hours a day with the owner, president, 0:49:44.640 --> 0:49:48.719 general manager on the bus talking about various things. That 0:49:49.320 --> 0:49:52.160 broad question is always the takeaway, but let's keep it 0:49:52.320 --> 0:49:55.920 draft specific. I mean there's a lot of takeaway, and 0:49:56.000 --> 0:49:57.600 I mean we can get into Romo and a bunch 0:49:57.600 --> 0:49:59.520 of that stuff. Out of you can read Dallas Cowboys 0:49:59.560 --> 0:50:03.359 dot Com and here. The full video is on there 0:50:03.360 --> 0:50:04.879 if you want to watch it, listen to it here 0:50:05.120 --> 0:50:06.640 here on the Draft show, I think we should talk 0:50:06.680 --> 0:50:10.319 about war daddies, Okay, because one of the things he 0:50:10.360 --> 0:50:13.080 touched on was how do you go about finding the 0:50:13.120 --> 0:50:15.560 war daddy pass rusher that you mentioned that you want. 0:50:16.600 --> 0:50:18.520 Uh So, I'm just gonna read the quote because it's 0:50:18.560 --> 0:50:21.440 it's fantastic. He said, Well, I'll tell you how you 0:50:21.480 --> 0:50:23.400 try to get one. You try to do it like 0:50:23.440 --> 0:50:25.600 we did with Lawrence, which was trading up to get 0:50:25.680 --> 0:50:27.520 him rather than waiting for him to come to you. 0:50:28.080 --> 0:50:30.080 You try to get him like we did with Gregory. 0:50:30.280 --> 0:50:32.120 That's some of the capital you talk about there. You 0:50:32.160 --> 0:50:34.640 take more risks, you get a little risk here, you 0:50:34.680 --> 0:50:37.239 get aggressive on going to get him, all of which 0:50:37.320 --> 0:50:39.120 is not as sound as getting him with the first 0:50:39.120 --> 0:50:41.560 pick in the draft, which obviously they don't have that option, right, 0:50:41.960 --> 0:50:44.880 But you gotta be imaginative in positioning that. And my 0:50:45.000 --> 0:50:47.480 experience is that with more risk, there's more risk involved 0:50:47.520 --> 0:50:50.279 if you're willing to take it. Okay, so kind of 0:50:50.320 --> 0:50:52.759 sounds like it's one of these kind of sounds like 0:50:53.239 --> 0:50:56.479 the sounds like, how was a trading up to number 0:50:56.480 --> 0:51:00.520 one for Garrett which he didn't outline in this I've 0:51:00.520 --> 0:51:02.319 sat in drafts where he didn't have it one and 0:51:02.320 --> 0:51:06.240 he was absolutely miserable. So probably don't need to do that. Yeah, 0:51:06.360 --> 0:51:09.480 he didn't detail it, but I mean he I thought 0:51:09.480 --> 0:51:11.239 it was really interesting. Okay, Yeah, you trade up for 0:51:11.280 --> 0:51:13.160 Lawrence And we talked about that the other night. Maybe 0:51:13.160 --> 0:51:15.200 you trade up from twenty eight to you know, twenty 0:51:15.280 --> 0:51:17.799 or something to get get this guy. But he threw 0:51:17.840 --> 0:51:20.680 Gregory out there too, which like as soon as and 0:51:20.840 --> 0:51:23.120 I mean, I don't know anything, I'm not you know, 0:51:23.239 --> 0:51:25.600 I'm not trying to tell you something. But as soon 0:51:25.600 --> 0:51:28.960 as he said that, Jim Williams, Tim Williams, I mean, 0:51:29.400 --> 0:51:31.279 you sit here and you think you're like, well, the 0:51:31.320 --> 0:51:33.800 cowboys learned their lesson. They're not gonna do that again. 0:51:34.000 --> 0:51:37.440 But if you have a chance to get a war daddy, 0:51:37.760 --> 0:51:40.880 I think till I think Tim Williams is the second 0:51:40.880 --> 0:51:42.799 best pass rusher from the street. I think you just 0:51:43.239 --> 0:51:46.200 just can. And this is the maybe the smartest thing 0:51:46.239 --> 0:51:48.319 I think you've ever said in the five years I've 0:51:48.360 --> 0:51:51.560 known you, which is that you can't one hundred percent 0:51:51.719 --> 0:51:53.839 predict what's going to happen when the GM knows he's 0:51:53.840 --> 0:51:58.640 not gonna get fired. Yeah, I mean that the GM knows. 0:51:59.000 --> 0:52:01.000 When the GM knows is that he will have his 0:52:01.080 --> 0:52:03.319 job the day after the draft and the year after 0:52:03.360 --> 0:52:05.840 the year after the draft, and the year after the draft, 0:52:06.320 --> 0:52:09.320 then you you can make some bold move. If Jerry 0:52:09.360 --> 0:52:12.000 Jones thinks that he needs a big, the old pass 0:52:12.120 --> 0:52:15.000 rusher to really I hate the term put this team 0:52:15.000 --> 0:52:17.799 over the top, but to really make a difference on 0:52:17.840 --> 0:52:21.200 this year's team, I definitely don't think he'd be afraid 0:52:21.200 --> 0:52:23.560 to do something. Okay, now, so let's talk about guys 0:52:23.560 --> 0:52:29.000 to Steven Jones. But let me ask you this though, 0:52:29.440 --> 0:52:31.239 could he could You know we've talked about if m 0:52:31.640 --> 0:52:34.759 if McKinley was healthy, he would not make it to 0:52:34.880 --> 0:52:38.960 Dallas at twenty eight. Do you think I would be surprised? Yeah? No, 0:52:39.080 --> 0:52:40.560 I don't think he was healthy. I think he's like 0:52:40.600 --> 0:52:43.560 a top twenty. Okay, So then that leaves like, how 0:52:43.560 --> 0:52:46.279 about a guy like Barnett, and we think Barnett might 0:52:46.320 --> 0:52:51.520 go a little bit higher. Yeah, I don't think then. Okay, now, okay, okay, 0:52:51.520 --> 0:52:55.239 what if Barnette were to get to eighteen? Now do 0:52:55.239 --> 0:52:56.880 you go get him? Now? Do you go get him? 0:52:56.960 --> 0:52:59.920 That's the scenario. What are we giving up? Well, you're 0:53:00.200 --> 0:53:02.759 obviously you're gonna has to be ninety two. You're gonna happen. Yeah, 0:53:02.760 --> 0:53:05.960 it's good. Yeah, Yeah, is that enough? It might not not? 0:53:06.080 --> 0:53:08.319 Maybe not to get eighteen. Yeah, if you're gonnap to 0:53:08.320 --> 0:53:10.759 like twenty two, then I think that might be enough. 0:53:10.800 --> 0:53:14.920 You're gonna have to probably give up sixty. Oh and 0:53:14.960 --> 0:53:17.319 I don't think you do that. You you try at 0:53:17.320 --> 0:53:19.880 all costs to avoid that. Don't take sixty. I'm just 0:53:19.960 --> 0:53:22.000 telling you, though, you can give that. I don't have 0:53:22.040 --> 0:53:24.160 my chart in front you. When the next draft show 0:53:24.520 --> 0:53:26.919 next Thursday, when we're back at the Star, I'll bring 0:53:26.920 --> 0:53:29.120 my jet my draft chart with me. Would you get art? 0:53:29.160 --> 0:53:31.279 Would you give up ninety two and one thirty three 0:53:31.320 --> 0:53:33.120 to get from twenty eight? Take? Oh? God, you don't 0:53:33.160 --> 0:53:35.200 have a fifth round pick either? Yeah? No, you get 0:53:35.239 --> 0:53:38.480 You're basically you're saying you're getting three good picks or 0:53:38.520 --> 0:53:41.360 I'm sorry, you're getting two really good picks. You have 0:53:41.440 --> 0:53:43.440 to be pretty convinced that that player is gonna come 0:53:43.480 --> 0:53:46.440 in from day one and make an impact. Well, okay, 0:53:46.719 --> 0:53:48.880 let me I mean, and I'm I'm not saying I 0:53:48.920 --> 0:53:50.640 think this is a great idea, but I'm thinking like 0:53:50.680 --> 0:53:54.360 I'm Jerry Jones and I'm saying, Jalen Smith's playing, Charles 0:53:54.400 --> 0:53:57.759 Tapper's playing. I got I got those extra picks. Cowboys. 0:53:57.880 --> 0:54:01.160 See those two guys as two drafts that are joining 0:54:01.160 --> 0:54:04.160 the squad on this team like that. Basically both of 0:54:04.200 --> 0:54:07.080 them are just like, cover your eyes and hope for 0:54:07.160 --> 0:54:10.399 the best. Yeah, I'm serious. I know, I know, I'm 0:54:10.480 --> 0:54:12.319 serious too. You. I mean, if you throw those two 0:54:12.320 --> 0:54:14.799 guys in the mix and you're saying give me, we'll say, 0:54:14.960 --> 0:54:16.920 we'll say Barnett just for the sake of a name. 0:54:17.680 --> 0:54:20.600 Throw in Barnette and then a dB at sixty, and 0:54:20.600 --> 0:54:22.319 then you add those two guys to the mix and go, 0:54:22.480 --> 0:54:24.520 you're gonna need a saved You're a corner. It sounds 0:54:24.560 --> 0:54:27.440 like unless you got plans of resigning they have, they 0:54:27.480 --> 0:54:29.359 have too much crap that they need to do for 0:54:29.400 --> 0:54:31.640 them to be able to pull that off. That's too bold, 0:54:32.080 --> 0:54:35.319 that's tough, it really is. I I can't see him 0:54:35.320 --> 0:54:38.080 doing that. So the likely scenario then would be for 0:54:38.160 --> 0:54:42.120 him to do what he did with Gregory. Let's take 0:54:42.160 --> 0:54:45.040 a chance on Williams being there at sixty. God, what 0:54:45.120 --> 0:54:48.440 if they did that too, you know, back to back? Yeah, 0:54:48.520 --> 0:54:52.279 I don't. Okay, let's let's look at the crystal ball. 0:54:52.640 --> 0:54:56.279 Let's look at the crystal ball. Sure, we're sitting there. 0:54:56.360 --> 0:54:59.000 We're sitting there at day two at the draft, and 0:54:59.080 --> 0:55:01.520 it comes up to down and all of a sudden, 0:55:01.520 --> 0:55:05.480 we see Jason Garrett emphatically trying to convince Jerry Jones 0:55:05.560 --> 0:55:08.400 not to take the guy's like, and will McClay is 0:55:08.440 --> 0:55:10.719 like he's kind of trying to explain to Garrett and 0:55:11.040 --> 0:55:13.440 Jerry and wants nothing to do with either one of them. 0:55:13.440 --> 0:55:16.279 Were talking about, right, what are you gonna say when 0:55:16.280 --> 0:55:18.680 you when you when you say it's gonna be Tim Williams, 0:55:18.760 --> 0:55:22.239 what's your what's you're gonna the crystal ball? What are 0:55:22.280 --> 0:55:25.680 you gonna say? Good luck? You know, you crush your 0:55:25.680 --> 0:55:28.600 fingers and you just hope that the guy buys in 0:55:28.680 --> 0:55:32.840 it doesn't get into any problems. I don't that is 0:55:32.880 --> 0:55:34.799 a huge risk to take. I'm not sure I'm willing 0:55:34.840 --> 0:55:36.920 to do it. And we're after what happened with Gregory, 0:55:36.920 --> 0:55:40.080 you're not Yeah, well, not only that, but just I 0:55:40.080 --> 0:55:42.560 don't know when we're still figuring out, I want to 0:55:42.560 --> 0:55:44.399 know what spent did you did you listen to Tim 0:55:44.440 --> 0:55:47.759 Williams talk today? He seemed like he was on the 0:55:47.800 --> 0:55:50.719 defensive pretty much. Oh yeah. I think that stems from 0:55:50.840 --> 0:55:53.200 what he's been used to the past few days, being 0:55:53.239 --> 0:55:55.799 with teams. You know, he's taking a lot of he is. 0:55:56.040 --> 0:55:58.960 He is a punching bag right now, exactly. So, I 0:55:58.960 --> 0:56:01.080 don't know, I don't I think there's a good chance 0:56:01.120 --> 0:56:03.000 that when it's all said and done, he's not a 0:56:03.120 --> 0:56:05.799 first round pick, right. But it's sixty, that's what we're 0:56:05.840 --> 0:56:08.600 talking about. Hey, And for the record, we nobody saw 0:56:08.640 --> 0:56:12.080 Gregory falling all that way for sixty, So who knows 0:56:12.520 --> 0:56:14.640 if he's there at sixty? You know what, Here we 0:56:14.680 --> 0:56:18.359 go again. Yeah, I mean it's I don't think anyone 0:56:18.400 --> 0:56:20.680 would be surprised when they made that move. No, I 0:56:20.719 --> 0:56:22.840 don't think so. And let it be noted that we 0:56:22.920 --> 0:56:25.040 on the last night of the combine for us, we 0:56:25.280 --> 0:56:29.120 if if it gets to that point, we're just all in. No, 0:56:30.920 --> 0:56:33.800 you know what you guys it. I think they I 0:56:34.440 --> 0:56:37.080 hope that they've learned their lesson. Well, I hope, but 0:56:37.160 --> 0:56:41.200 you're right the way you said earlier, Dave, this general manager, 0:56:42.840 --> 0:56:45.400 you quoted him, let's pull it. Let's pull it back though, 0:56:45.480 --> 0:56:47.440 and be a little more realistic here, and not that 0:56:47.440 --> 0:56:49.959 that's unrealistic, but a little more vague. I guess, going 0:56:50.040 --> 0:56:53.439 back to the point, the original point. If you got 0:56:53.440 --> 0:56:57.240 a package twenty eight and ninety two to get something 0:56:57.239 --> 0:56:58.960 like how high up can that get you? And I 0:56:59.000 --> 0:57:00.960 know you don't have a chart. I wish I might 0:57:01.080 --> 0:57:03.960 chart with me. I'm sorry, Dane said, I mean twenty 0:57:03.960 --> 0:57:07.080 eight to twenty two. See if I could just get 0:57:07.160 --> 0:57:12.520 Denver to take Romo and flop those spots. We don't 0:57:12.520 --> 0:57:15.400 we don't need to get too deep and Jerry, Jerry 0:57:15.400 --> 0:57:18.240 said all possibilities are still on the table with Tony Romo. 0:57:18.320 --> 0:57:21.640 So okay, don't I mean that's not done, that's not finished. 0:57:21.680 --> 0:57:24.360 Real quick? Did he saything about backup quarterback? He did? 0:57:24.600 --> 0:57:27.160 He's saying about drafting a guy or he had a 0:57:27.200 --> 0:57:29.160 really he had a really, I'm I'm it's gonna take 0:57:29.200 --> 0:57:31.240 me forever to find it. But he basically said, you know, 0:57:31.280 --> 0:57:35.000 he's they really like Kellen Moore, which draft you know, 0:57:35.200 --> 0:57:37.120 roll your eyes or clap your hands however you feel. 0:57:37.120 --> 0:57:40.800 I don't care, um, but you know, he's basically like, 0:57:40.880 --> 0:57:43.880 you know, we don't have to get this like old 0:57:43.960 --> 0:57:46.160 thirty five year old veteran guy in the scenario where 0:57:46.200 --> 0:57:48.560 Tony Romo's not here. You know, we could bring back 0:57:48.560 --> 0:57:50.800 a guy like Kellen Moore and draft another guy. And 0:57:50.840 --> 0:57:54.480 I think I'm totally inferring here, but I kind of 0:57:54.480 --> 0:57:57.000 get the impression like Jerry really likes the idea of 0:57:57.120 --> 0:57:59.280 kind of like that Green Bay model of just having 0:57:59.280 --> 0:58:01.480 a guy in the pipe a lottery ticket. Yeah, I 0:58:01.520 --> 0:58:03.400 think it's and I don't. I think it works. I 0:58:03.440 --> 0:58:05.560 don't disagree with it at all. If this, if they 0:58:05.600 --> 0:58:07.720 were to draft a quarterback in the late rounds, I 0:58:07.760 --> 0:58:09.280 think it would piss a lot of fans off, but 0:58:09.360 --> 0:58:11.320 I think it would be smart. Oh yeah, I don't 0:58:11.320 --> 0:58:13.080 know how. Why would you be pissed off about that? 0:58:13.280 --> 0:58:15.800 It's it's a lottery because it's a player that ideally 0:58:15.840 --> 0:58:18.200 will not be They don't have a fifth round pick, 0:58:18.240 --> 0:58:22.600 and barring a catastrophe. He's not going to take snaps 0:58:22.600 --> 0:58:24.880 and that makes fans upset. Just as a general rule. 0:58:24.880 --> 0:58:27.600 He'say thing about his offensive line, the right tackle spot, 0:58:27.920 --> 0:58:31.240 he said he has there's been no indication that dub 0:58:31.280 --> 0:58:33.280 Free plans on retiring, which we kind of heard that 0:58:33.320 --> 0:58:36.400 earlier in the week, but he's still relying on Jazz Green. 0:58:36.880 --> 0:58:39.080 Well we didn't really talk about Jazz and Lyo, but 0:58:39.080 --> 0:58:41.080 he didn't mean he expects dub Free to finish up 0:58:41.080 --> 0:58:44.400 his contract, so that's worth considering. But yeah, no, I 0:58:44.400 --> 0:58:47.080 did think, like Jerry kind of said, you know, we 0:58:47.120 --> 0:58:50.120 don't have to get this old quarterback on his last legs, 0:58:50.160 --> 0:58:52.320 like a Kyle Orton back in the day, Like maybe 0:58:52.360 --> 0:58:54.080 we draft another guy and just kind of keep the 0:58:54.120 --> 0:58:57.040 youth movement going, which I think is a good idea. 0:58:57.120 --> 0:58:59.680 All right, Well that was that. That was good stuff. Though. 0:58:59.800 --> 0:59:02.400 I like what he's talking about. I mean, my eyebrows 0:59:02.440 --> 0:59:04.439 shot up off my head when I heard him talking 0:59:04.480 --> 0:59:06.640 about taking risks to get where. I got one more thing, 0:59:06.640 --> 0:59:10.840 I'm sorry, one more things that either about cornerback or safety. 0:59:11.560 --> 0:59:13.360 Really I'm writing a story about it right now. He 0:59:13.440 --> 0:59:15.720 said he would not tell us which, but he said, 0:59:15.760 --> 0:59:18.400 there's two positions on this roster that I think we 0:59:18.560 --> 0:59:21.800 really we have to do something about. We really can't 0:59:21.840 --> 0:59:25.280 afford to let that slip. I think cornerback is obviously right. 0:59:25.960 --> 0:59:29.000 Wide receiver is a really good candidate, specifically the Terrance 0:59:29.080 --> 0:59:32.160 Spot wide receiver too. And then I mean safety it's 0:59:32.240 --> 0:59:34.560 kind of an issue as well. So and people will 0:59:34.560 --> 0:59:37.040 say pass Rusher. I disagree with that because they have 0:59:37.120 --> 0:59:38.920 a lot, they have a lot of bodies. Yes, they 0:59:38.920 --> 0:59:41.880 could stand to improve, but they have the bodies necessary 0:59:41.920 --> 0:59:44.840 to play a game, whereas a cornerback and receiver they don't. 0:59:44.920 --> 0:59:47.960 So yeah, yeah, no, And that all starts when we 0:59:48.000 --> 0:59:50.600 get back. I mean, we're gonna see yesterday right to night. 0:59:50.840 --> 0:59:52.919 I have a feeling a handful of like long time 0:59:52.960 --> 0:59:55.440 cowboys are going to be holding up new jerseys by 0:59:55.480 --> 0:59:57.880 the end of this week. That you're right about that. Okay, David, 0:59:57.920 --> 1:00:00.760 thank you so much for doing that. And that is uh, 1:00:00.880 --> 1:00:03.400 that's gonna be all the time that we have today. 1:00:03.800 --> 1:00:07.640 And just again, thank everybody out there for joining us 1:00:07.680 --> 1:00:10.920 these last several days. We appreciate all the interaction we 1:00:10.960 --> 1:00:13.600 have with you with the Twitter on the twenty. We 1:00:13.640 --> 1:00:17.520 appreciate you guys listening all the various platforms. Again, I 1:00:17.600 --> 1:00:20.040 encourage you to go on make comments stuff like that, 1:00:20.240 --> 1:00:22.920 be happy to to read those. Anything we could do 1:00:22.920 --> 1:00:25.840 to improve the show. We'll be back with these guys, 1:00:25.920 --> 1:00:28.640 Dame Bugler, David Helm and King Garrison. I'll be back 1:00:28.640 --> 1:00:31.840 with them on next Thursday. From the Star. We'll put 1:00:31.880 --> 1:00:34.440 a bow on this combine, look at look ahead, and 1:00:34.920 --> 1:00:37.400 look at these pro days. We got those coming up 1:00:37.440 --> 1:00:40.360 now and not too far we'll be drafting some players. 1:00:40.360 --> 1:00:43.920 So once again, thanks everybody out there, Thanks to Derek Eagleton, 1:00:44.000 --> 1:00:46.479 thanks to Ed K. Hill, and thanks to Taylor Stern 1:00:46.520 --> 1:00:48.240 for always pushing our stuff out there. 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