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Speaker 1: Did. He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, Dallas

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Speaker 1: Cowboys Select Elliott and now your host Dame Brugler, David

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Speaker 1: Hellman and Brian brought us. Well, welcome to the Draft

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Speaker 1: Show here in Indianapolis, Indiana. We're at the Convention Center

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Speaker 1: here and on our final night, actually the final day

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Speaker 1: as well of the combine for us here on Dallas

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Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com. I'm Brian brought us along with Dane

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Speaker 1: Burgler from CBS Sports, longtime member of the Draft Show,

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Speaker 1: David Hellman of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and a member

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Speaker 1: of the Draft Show as well, Ken Garrison, executive producing tonight,

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Speaker 1: and we welcome you to this uh final show. Like

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Speaker 1: I said, very interesting day when you have workouts. It

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Speaker 1: was a day where records were broken, and on the

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Speaker 1: field records were broken. Various forty yard dashes, vertical jumps,

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Speaker 1: broad jumps, you name it. Athletes were on display today

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Speaker 1: and we'll get into that. We'll also get into some

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Speaker 1: twitter on the twenty like we always do. I always

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Speaker 1: encourage you to get your questions in at at the

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Speaker 1: Draft Show. David Hellman will handle that. Kent Garrison monitors

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Speaker 1: the count, the account and so that's our way of

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Speaker 1: interacting with you. We have no phone as we haven't

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Speaker 1: had all week, but we will do that Twitter on

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Speaker 1: the twenty and then we'll get into David Hellman spent

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Speaker 1: two hours today with Jerry Jones, and if you're a

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Speaker 1: Cowboy fan, you definitely want to be a stick around

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Speaker 1: for this. Dave got some quality time with the president,

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Speaker 1: the owner, president, general manager, some of his thoughts on

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Speaker 1: the draft, what the Cowboys might and might not do.

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Speaker 1: Dane Burgler and I will try and make sense. Will

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Speaker 1: be the jury whisper if if we can be, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know. If you're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: whisper on this, We're gonna talk. We got I got

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Speaker 1: something good draft related from Jared. That's why I want

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Speaker 1: to say, I don't know. Sometimes you have to. Jerry

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Speaker 1: is one of those guys that I've always felt like

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Speaker 1: as a hard time and this is gonna sound funny lying.

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Speaker 1: So if you ask him a good question, he'll tell

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Speaker 1: you he'll give you a good answer. So I believe

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Speaker 1: Dave got some good stuff from the two hour meeting

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Speaker 1: today and that will help us with this, UH to

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Speaker 1: kind of put a both on things here. In Indianapolis,

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Speaker 1: and guys, I do want to get into just the

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Speaker 1: fact that the how these workouts went today, I personally,

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Speaker 1: you know, I love when guys run fast. I love

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Speaker 1: I love when they do shuttles. I love when they

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Speaker 1: just work out. And you know, I saw some times

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Speaker 1: that with you, dame, but I want to always get

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Speaker 1: your observation first about it. And you know, you could

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Speaker 1: talk about Ross or the tight ends or whatever you

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Speaker 1: saw the quarterbacks, whatever you like to visit with about

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Speaker 1: your observation from today. Well, we have to start with

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Speaker 1: Ross uh setting a new uh you know, combine record

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Speaker 1: four two two forty yard dash. You know, he was flying.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure his feet ever touched the ground. It

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Speaker 1: was pretty impressive to see him go like that, especially

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Speaker 1: That that hammy, So you know, we knew he was fast. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, this is not how it works. I tweeted

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Speaker 1: this out, but his medicals are far more important than

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Speaker 1: but it's it's scariest word exactly. So with John Ross,

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Speaker 1: That's what I That's what do people? You think people

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Speaker 1: not like and I laughed in a way because you're right.

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Speaker 1: I'd be like, you'll say, oh, he's just a white guy. Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: And that's probably be the wrong way to think about it.

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Speaker 1: But I didn't expect that from him all the way

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Speaker 1: back in January. And I'm a giant, I'm a Cooper

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Speaker 1: Cup fanboy, right, I love he's awesome. His tape is awesome.

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Speaker 1: He was great at the Senior Bowl. All the way

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Speaker 1: back in January. I heard the player comparison of Jarvis Landry,

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Speaker 1: That's not his game, right, And I think it confirms

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Speaker 1: He can manipulate routes, uh leverage defenders and create spacing

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Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not very surprised by it. He's not over.

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Speaker 1: It's funny. You're funny. You say that because I asked

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Speaker 1: even work at at all. They're basically fifteen receivers going

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Speaker 1: Darbou Ran Well. I was hoping that Smith Schuster from

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Speaker 1: he did well, yeah, he don't know, he did. I

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Speaker 1: it was. It was a good time for him thoughsolutely.

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Speaker 1: But I was kind of hoping maybe I was, like

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Speaker 1: I was hopeful that the cup would you know, would

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Speaker 1: have run if he had ran a four to five four,

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Speaker 1: I think I would have felt better about that. But

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Speaker 1: that in that regard, though, how about the guys like

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Speaker 1: as well? All right? Thought Henderson had an excellent day

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Speaker 1: hundred pounds with four four six thirty six in verse

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Speaker 1: ten eleven abroad, Um, I thought he confirmed what we

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Speaker 1: it tough when we try to differentiate these receivers. It

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Speaker 1: But I think Carl Carlos Henderson confirmed what we knew.

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Speaker 1: All Right, Dave, it is time for a little Twitter

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Speaker 1: on the twenty. Thank you very much. It's all yours. Okay.

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Speaker 1: It's a good segue because we were just talking about

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Speaker 1: tight ends and we did not talk about this guy.

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Speaker 1: Jonah wants to know what can you tell me about

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Speaker 1: Florida International's John who Smith and i'll as usual, you

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Speaker 1: know a range if you will. Yeah, he was in

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Speaker 1: the four six range today in his forties, which is

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Speaker 1: a good number for him. Not the biggest guy what

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Speaker 1: he came in at six two and a half, two

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Speaker 1: hundred forty eight pounds him. You know, he's a little

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Speaker 1: undersize what you want a traditional tight end, but he's

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Speaker 1: that move uh you know style tight end, that joker

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Speaker 1: that you can you know motion, you can kick him outside, uh,

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Speaker 1: put him on the wing, do a couple of different

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Speaker 1: things with him, more of that h back style. I

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Speaker 1: think he's a very natural receiver. And you saw that

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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, Yeah, and I shared it. I thought you

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Speaker 1: saw it here. Uh, John Hu Smith to me somewhere

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Speaker 1: in that probably probably fourth round my game A three four.

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Speaker 1: But I like him a little bit more than I

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Speaker 1: think where he'll end up. But I think somewhere early

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Speaker 1: day three as world Goo, I think I liked I

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Speaker 1: think I like Gerald Edward Gerald Everett a little bit

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Speaker 1: better than him, you know, I agree, Yeah, I saw

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Speaker 1: a little bit more of him from South Alabama. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: that kind of the similar styles of guys you talked

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Speaker 1: about the joker guy. You know, here's the guy that

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Speaker 1: Everett that came in sixty three, two thirty nine more

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Speaker 1: than twelves in the Senior Bowl. But you watch his

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Speaker 1: tape at South On Now there's a guy that gets

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Speaker 1: in some blocks and will snap a little bit. You

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Speaker 1: can see the hip role in him, try and get

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Speaker 1: guys to the outside though. So I was a little

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Speaker 1: bit you know, both guys actually did twenty two times

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Speaker 1: on the bench on identical four six two exactly, so

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Speaker 1: similar player. But I think I would like the South

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Speaker 1: Alabama kid, uh Everett a little bit more than I

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Speaker 1: would uh than Smith. I agree. I have a third

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Speaker 1: So you're telling me, I like I should feel good

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Speaker 1: about the tight end pool beyond like the first round.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I think you should. Absolutely, And that's

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Speaker 1: the biggest reason why you know we said this before,

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Speaker 1: but why maybe an age OJ Howard could be there

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Speaker 1: just because you kind of passed on them because you

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Speaker 1: want to get that pass rusher early on. You want

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Speaker 1: to get that you know, the corner the receiver right.

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Speaker 1: So the top twenty five is filled with those positions

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Speaker 1: and a guy like GoJ Howard or David and Joku

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Speaker 1: could slip a little bit and could be an option.

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Speaker 1: Fair enough, Alfredo wants to know DBS do their work

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Speaker 1: out tomorrow Sunday. What is the most important drill to

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Speaker 1: watch for DBS will be on Monday. Oh, I'm sorry, sorry,

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Speaker 1: my bad, I got confused, but yeah, I mean well,

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Speaker 1: I mean the forty yard dash obviously, I mean that

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Speaker 1: straight line speed. A lot of times you see uh corners, man,

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Speaker 1: you want to see that makeup speed as well. Uh

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Speaker 1: you know at playing the cornerback position, it's inevitable you're

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Speaker 1: gonna get beat and you're gonna have to make up

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Speaker 1: a few steps. So I want to see him there,

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Speaker 1: you know, three cones obviously a big one vertical like

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Speaker 1: that an actual explosion. But the positional drills where I like.

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Speaker 1: I love watching the positional drills with the corners and

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Speaker 1: the DBS that back pedal, the backpedal, turn open and go.

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Speaker 1: Can you stay on a vertical plane? Drill right, can

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Speaker 1: you stay low in your pedal, use your hips, stay

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Speaker 1: on that vertical plane and not lose speed, not have

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Speaker 1: to you know, gather yourself gear down, you maintain that momentum.

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Speaker 1: That's something that a lot of colleges they don't ask

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Speaker 1: you to press and play with the natural transition that

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Speaker 1: a lot of NFL teams are gonna ask you to do.

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Speaker 1: So that drill, to me, exposed a lot of guys

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Speaker 1: who have struggles. Well, I'll tell you what, you are

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Speaker 1: absolutely right. That was my favorite one. If you go

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Speaker 1: away from the TV though, and are you tape this

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Speaker 1: and you want to come back and watch watch the

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Speaker 1: drill again. The Raiders are the ones that got this

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Speaker 1: drill in. Actually Al Davis, you know, he said, listen,

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Speaker 1: let's let these guys pedal. Let's let them turn and

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Speaker 1: then burst and they do it to the right, and

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Speaker 1: they do it to the left, and they don't they

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Speaker 1: don't know, and they don't Yeah, defender or the coach

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Speaker 1: will yeah direct them why they're gonna go. Yeah. It

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Speaker 1: really really helps you that way though. I mean when

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Speaker 1: you could pedal, turn and burst that I love those drills.

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Speaker 1: And when they do the ball skilled drills, right, dbs

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Speaker 1: where Yeah, it's like soccer. It's like soccer boys, some

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Speaker 1: goats out there, fire a fastball at them, right, you know,

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Speaker 1: you see which dbs have the soft hands, stone hands. Right. Uh,

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Speaker 1: that's a fun drill to watch. It absolutely kind of

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Speaker 1: covered it all anyway. Yeah, dbs are fun to watch.

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Speaker 1: That's my personal that's my person. Yeah, the receivers and

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks with two hours and forty five minutes today, as

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Speaker 1: I mean that is a marathon's kind of bogged down. Well,

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Speaker 1: there's some things they probably need to take out of

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Speaker 1: that a little bit, but I think the dbs go

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Speaker 1: two hours and forty five minutes. I think every drill

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Speaker 1: you get something out of it. Though. Yeah, it's important position,

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Speaker 1: as we all know. I know we touched on him

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Speaker 1: in the first segment, but Josh would just like you

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Speaker 1: ought to talk a little bit more about Evan Ingram. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, I list him as a receiver, and I

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Speaker 1: think because that's how he's used it will miss. I

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Speaker 1: don't see an inline guy, regardless of what you call him. Receiver,

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Speaker 1: a tight end, very athletic and obviously he showed that

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Speaker 1: today with four four two with the way he can

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Speaker 1: stretch the seam the way you know, he can manipulate

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Speaker 1: space over the middle of the field. I think he

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Speaker 1: has reliable hands. But again, just not a guy you

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Speaker 1: want in line, you know, blocking, or you can use

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Speaker 1: him maybe on the wing, use him in different scenarios

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Speaker 1: where he'll need to just sustain for a moment or

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Speaker 1: two just to slow down defenders. But he's not an

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Speaker 1: overpowering guy in that sense. But he's an athlete. Let

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Speaker 1: him go run routes, let him be a weapon on

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Speaker 1: your offense that your quarterback and throw too. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: think this guy is a really nice job of finding space. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, that's his ability. He has an awareness of

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Speaker 1: where he needs to be in a round. I think

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Speaker 1: Dane has got him cold as far as the where

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Speaker 1: he where he is, where around you give him. I

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Speaker 1: put him in the third is what I did. I

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Speaker 1: love him more as as the receiving traits than I

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Speaker 1: do the blocking traits. Let me ask you this real quick.

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Speaker 1: Sorry to cut you off, but so you're drafting this

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Speaker 1: guy in the third round to play receiver though basically

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Speaker 1: to play to play doing with him, I think you're

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Speaker 1: you're draft him to be that hybrid player that I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's not an in line player. He plays. When you

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Speaker 1: watch him, he rarely puts his hand on the ground.

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Speaker 1: He plays as a wing. He plays detached. He's always

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Speaker 1: going up the field, and when he does block, he's

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Speaker 1: a he lacks sustain My my, my concern here is

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Speaker 1: that we we rode the Gavin Escobar ride and it

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Speaker 1: didn't work out. And based on the like what the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys want to do. Yeah, I mean, if he can

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Speaker 1: play a receiver outside and be good, fine, but I

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Speaker 1: don't I don't need because that's not how they want

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Speaker 1: to use their Jeff Swain can catch the football, can

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Speaker 1: also block. That's my point. I have a one two

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Speaker 1: on ingram Um because I think he's a big slot receiver.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's you know, a tight end. I

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Speaker 1: don't think he should be used as one. I think

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Speaker 1: you put him in the slot kind of like how

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Speaker 1: the Saints used Marquis Colston. You know that big slot guy,

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Speaker 1: and let him you know, he not only can he

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Speaker 1: work the middle of the field, but he can run

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Speaker 1: different routes. And I don't know. To me, I have

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Speaker 1: that value in the top forty. Now you have to

638
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: buy into that I don't think it worked for the Cowboy. Yeah,

639
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: that's you know, right, being as I am super intriguing player,

640
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: not for this team, it's not. In my opinion, I

641
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: agree with that. Um, somebody wanted to know what did

642
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,719
Speaker 1: y'all think about Pat Pat Mahomes today? What about that

643
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes? You see the arm talent, it's I mean,

644
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: it's clear the guy can spray it all over the field. Um.

645
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: You know, I don't think we expected to see this

646
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: monumental transition where all of a sudden he's looked smooth

647
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: in his back pet or in his h in his footwork,

648
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: and you know the mechanics and obviously has a long

649
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: way to go. We saw that today. But you know

650
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: the ball, the way it comes off his hand, it's special. Yeah,

651
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: it really is. The Thing that I noticed about Pat

652
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: Mahomes throwing the football today is if he had three

653
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: shots to throw the ball, and maybe one on the

654
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: out was a little behind, and maybe the next one

655
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: was a little behind, the third one was where it

656
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: needed to be. It's kind of like he said, throw, oh,

657
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: you clap the hands, throw, clap the hands, and then

658
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: it was throw Okay, that's where it needs to be. So, yeah,

659
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: Mahomes is gonna need a lot of work. I mean

660
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: he really really is. The dance right again, The armed

661
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: talent's there. The ability to throw from different platforms, that's

662
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: something that everybody's gonna talk about. There's gonna be comparisons

663
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: to him about how he drops down, how he can

664
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: throw over the top, how he can throw to his left,

665
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: how he can throw to his right. I mean, these

666
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: are all things we saw Dak Prescott too. I mean

667
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: we saw all his his ability to run full to

668
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: his left and fire the ball outside or open up

669
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: his up his hips and throw the ball down the field.

670
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: These are things that Pat Mahomes can do. And we'll

671
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: hear more about that as the workouts and we'll see,

672
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: we'll see how things shake out for him. Maybe there'll

673
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: be some video of him, and you know, we get

674
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: this at the Cowboys where they work out with him,

675
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: and maybe you'll see a different quarterback. Maybe you won't

676
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: see the gun slinger loose ability. You'll see more of

677
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: a tightened up throwing motion and more of a step.

678
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: You know. That's the thing that happened to Kaiser, I

679
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: think a little bit to I think Mike Mayock and

680
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: even a car the former quarterback brought this up. Kaiser

681
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: never stepped in the same spot when he was throwing

682
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: the ball. Everything was step here, and then it was

683
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: step here, and they never He never hit that spot,

684
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: and I think you saw it with a lot of

685
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: quarterbacks to that. And then the accuracy suffers because foot

686
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: hits here wide, foots hits in the middle, foot hits here,

687
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: So you don't see that. These guys have got to

688
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: tighten up some of their throwing motions, though they really

689
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: do it. I was a little surprised at Mahomes. I

690
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: thought he'd run a little better in four eight. Yeah,

691
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: I didn't think he was a four three guy, but

692
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, he could maybe for six at least,

693
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: maybe get like Josh Dobbs, right, Josh Dobbs in the

694
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: four six, four six, five rounds. I thought Dobbs is

695
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: impressive athletically, he's he's impressive like with everything except you know,

696
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: throwing the bottle. The right team which is you know,

697
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's intelligent, he's a leader, he's a

698
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: mobile guy, he's big, strong arm. I just don't I

699
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: don't know, but something I bet you some team buys

700
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,439
Speaker 1: into him, and we'll want to develop that and he'll

701
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: go a lot higher than you know, and Kobe Brissette

702
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: through the ball better than this guy. Oh yeah, so

703
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, but an athlete that kind of you know,

704
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: that kind of guy, right, yeah, its it too far

705
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: a comparison. Well, Brissette went what third round? Yeah, so

706
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: and that's too I think, right, I think this is

707
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: a guy you think maybe, but somebody took it. The

708
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: Patriots took a chance on set. I think Dobbs is

709
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: a guy fourth fifth round. Maybe a team will pull

710
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: the trigger. I don't know. I have him as a PFA.

711
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: I don't think he see but I saw it with

712
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: Dobbs today when the ball when they were throwing them,

713
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: when they're running the routes, like especially the routes where

714
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: the receiver had to like make the adjustment over the

715
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 1: head adjustment. He was the one guy that was throwing

716
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: the ball the best of the guys throwing the ball

717
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 1: down the field. And that might help him. Yeah. Maybe

718
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: someone says, well, maybe this is when we work on

719
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: the underneath stuff, and ask a Tennessee man, you know,

720
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: it's just no, no, you're right, you're right, I don't.

721
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm just saying he has pressure in his face. Uh,

722
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: you know, the ball just it's got a mind of

723
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: its own. Kaya Kaya perfect example. Sure. I mean he

724
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: looked great throwing the ball around today when no one's

725
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: hitting him exactly. He set up for something like this,

726
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: we're in shorts and in seven on seven. Yeah, he

727
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 1: can do it. But when the bullets flying, and that's

728
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: not something he's comfortable with, and that's when the accuracy suffered,

729
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: mechanics suffer. Um and yeah, ka Kaya is a good

730
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,439
Speaker 1: example of a player who looks good in this type

731
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 1: of setting, but when you watch the tape and you know, yeah,

732
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: he's all it's all over the place, right, Pat mahomes

733
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: first round pick. That's how I feel. I don't. Yeah,

734
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: I don't disagree. I just it's more that would be

735
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: a you know, that would be a gutsy call. I

736
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know as a general manager that

737
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: I can make that call now. I couldn't know. He's

738
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: not a first round pick for me, but I do

739
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: think there will be one that recognize the talent. Casey

740
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: late second round and John Dorsey's a bold guy. Yeah,

741
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: you know, it's Brian's like, Noah, he's gonna take that

742
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 1: runner from Oklahoma that we're gonna go see on Wednesday, probably,

743
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: but he knows he can get him in the third round.

744
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: Now he might take him in the first. I like

745
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 1: to award outside the box. Outside the box thinking I'm

746
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 1: just ignoring that. Uh, Bobby friend of the show, Bobby

747
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 1: belt Um, he says, given log jam at receiver, obviously, uh.

748
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: And given the impressive performances from John Ross and Chad Hanson,

749
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 1: is Corey Davis at twenty eight becoming a possibility? I

750
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: don't think I really see this, but I don't know

751
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: your way. It's funny because we were talking about this earlier.

752
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: But whenever they show a Corey Dave his highlight, it's

753
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: against Buffalo or it's against you know, I just compent

754
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: to that Wisconsin Cotton Bowl highlight. Is that what you're saying? Oh, yeah,

755
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: he had a few highlights from that game, sure, but predominantly,

756
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: you know, his career was built playing Matt competition, and

757
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: that's just it's not his fault. That's who recruited him,

758
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 1: that's where he went to play, and that's where he dominated.

759
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: And so it's a shame. We can't couldn't see him here.

760
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: We won't see him on his pro day. He plans

761
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: to have a workout prior to the draft, but we're

762
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: talking not until mid April. We won't have numbers on

763
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 1: this guy. Is there a team in the Big Ten

764
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: that he couldn't play for? Oh no, no, no, there's

765
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: not a team in the country he couldn't play for.

766
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: But wait, so see, I that's what I'm trying. I'm

767
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: trying to I guess I'm trying to justify. Is it

768
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: his fault that he ended up at Western Michigan because

769
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: somebody missed him, a Big Ten team missed It's the

770
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: same it's the same story as why did Antonio Brown

771
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 1: go to Central Michigan or righted you know, Jerry Race

772
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: go to Mississippi Valley State. Yeah, I mean it's I

773
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: think it's that type of deal where that you know

774
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 1: that that happens. You know, why would J. J. Watt

775
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: have to be a walk on? Yeah? See we talk

776
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,439
Speaker 1: about Cooper Cup because is there a Pac twelve team

777
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: that he couldn't have played for? Well so, but Dane

778
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: to the point, you don't think those red flags will

779
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: push him that far? Down the poort. Oh yeah, there's

780
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: just no, there's too many teams that could use a

781
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: receiver like that. Um, he's my number one guy. Yeah,

782
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: and I don't I think there are too many. And

783
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: I love Williams too. He made too many fans around

784
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: the league for him to follow that far. I have

785
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: a I think it's a long shot he falls. He

786
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 1: makes the twenties. Yeah, you know, as long as the ankles,

787
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: Williams might go ahead of him. Willis what if Williams run?

788
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: What if Williams doesn't run real well and then all

789
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Williams is a different story. He makes

790
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: a ton of plays on tape, though you could see

791
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: them all well, sure, but watch the National Championship game.

792
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: The elephant in the room is a guy that was

793
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: drafted in the first round last year, old miss. Yeah,

794
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: you're right about though, you know, a guy that had

795
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: one catch on Yeah. Man, you know, that's just it's

796
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: an unfair comparison. But the truth is, Mike Williams is

797
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: not a guy. It's not a speedster. His game is

798
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 1: not built on speed. And it's gonna be hard to overlook,

799
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: you know, especially after what happened last year to a

800
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: lot of us. I thought, I don't think he's gonna

801
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 1: fall to twenty eight Mike Williams, Corey Davis. But with

802
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: that said, I do think that uh and Ross has

803
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: really beat up. If you think about him, there might

804
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: not be a first round receiver and the second round

805
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: receiver might be the answer. With all those guys we

806
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: talked about, Yeah, we talked about with the tight end,

807
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: you know why you wait because you get one later

808
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: receiver is just in that mix too. I love good segues,

809
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: and that was one. A couple of people asked just

810
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: and we've talked about his combine, but Zay Jones, we

811
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: were talking about here, where where are we at? Where

812
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:47,240
Speaker 1: don't you thinking did he move himself up? Maybe a round?

813
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: By what he why? What he what he ran? I

814
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: think between the Senior Bowl and what he did today, Yes,

815
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: I think he in my mind, he went from a

816
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: borderline top one hundred pick third fourth round right up

817
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 1: until a guy that belongs to somewhere top seventy five. Okay,

818
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: so we're talking second round, right, Maybe chance he gets

819
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: in the early third, but he's not gonna wait long

820
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: on day two to hear his name. I don't think

821
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: he's a first round guy. Um, but I think he's

822
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: a very quality receiver who there's a lot there's so

823
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 1: much to like about him. There is a lot to

824
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,439
Speaker 1: like about him at But Dane, you boy, you brought

825
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: up something. You watch that tape, it's like one hundred

826
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,919
Speaker 1: and thirty balls going sideways. Yeah, there's not a lot

827
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 1: of him. There's some, there's some, there's a couple. I mean,

828
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: I trying to remember the game where I remember one

829
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: of the games so I was watching. It might have

830
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: been they play South Carolina. Ball went down the field though,

831
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: adjusting catch down the field, and I'm like going, oh,

832
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: there's one. But but the majority of his stuff is

833
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: sideways or slants or the in the end kind of

834
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: stuff and not at intermediate debt. And that's where it's

835
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: it's or sideline outs. There's another thing. I mean, he's

836
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: got that balance. That's where he has to be a

837
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,760
Speaker 1: good scout. You know, we're talking about with corners who

838
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: you know, they have the the body to press, but

839
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: they weren't asked to do it and call it, you know,

840
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: or you know, a receiver who had the vertical skills

841
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 1: wasn't asked to do it. You know he averaged under

842
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: eleven yards per catch in college. Right, it's an alarming

843
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: low number. Right, Yeah, you know, but it's just you

844
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: can't the way he was used and watching him on tape,

845
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: you thought, you know, this guy, he's a slot only

846
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Speaker 1: receiver who you know, not gonna stretch the defense out vertically,

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Speaker 1: but he has the numbers that tells you he can

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Speaker 1: mean obviously potentially from the last couple of days, um

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Speaker 1: guys who maybe have snuck into the back end of

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Speaker 1: the first round in your eyes, that weren't there. Trying

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Speaker 1: an angled toward the Cowboys, but it doesn't have How

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Speaker 1: about Godwin? I mean, I know I have him in

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Speaker 1: the second round. He's my number one receiver in the

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Speaker 1: second round. About a guy we haven't talked about yet,

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Speaker 1: Curtis Samuel four three one today. Okay, now there you

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Speaker 1: got I think a player who you know he worked

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Speaker 1: running back both believe he's a running back. But if

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Speaker 1: I think the fact that he can he can do both,

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Speaker 1: that there's a discussion there. It tells you a boy

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Speaker 1: his versatility. So you're saying we're gonna have two first

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Speaker 1: round gadgetbacks, I'm just telling you. His kid is five

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Speaker 1: eleven one ninety six and he went four three one

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Speaker 1: thought he'd be a little bit quicker than that. But

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what though, watching him run routes and stuff,

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Speaker 1: he's a running back to me, I agree. I mean

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Speaker 1: he is. Well, he's in that Christian McCaffrey mold where

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Speaker 1: you know he's not only a running back. I think

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Speaker 1: if you're gonna label him as something on a roster,

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Speaker 1: I agree, you put the RD next to his name,

878
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Speaker 1: but you let him go in the slot. He's the

879
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Speaker 1: chess piece on an offense where you move him around

880
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Speaker 1: right and you stress out the defense because the defense

881
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Speaker 1: is wonder Okay, what's he gonna do? Is he going

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Speaker 1: out to run routes? Sure? Is he going to stay

883
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Speaker 1: in him blow? Is he gonna get the handoff? He

884
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Speaker 1: just he keeps defenses guessing and a player like that

885
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Speaker 1: that can beat that type of weapon you can use

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Speaker 1: Curtis Samuel, So I think he's he was in a

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Speaker 1: top forty mix before. I think he definitely is now. Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: thank you very much for all the questions on Twitter

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Speaker 1: on the twenty. We appreciate the interaction we have. We

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Speaker 1: Draft Showboys back back here at the two thousand and

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941
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Speaker 1: to thank everybody out there that's been fallen along on Twitter,

942
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Speaker 1: And then also to you this with the commine coming

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be extra beastly this year. Uh No, it's

959
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Speaker 1: It should be ready here at the end of this month.

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Speaker 1: Before we get talking about Erry Jones, I did want

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Speaker 1: to mention, Yeah, we've heard for some defensive lineman today,

966
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Speaker 1: Tack McKinley being one of them. Yes, a player that

967
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Speaker 1: I know, Cowboy, A lot of Cowboys fans are interested in. Uh,

968
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Speaker 1: he's gonna do everything tomorrow and the drills even though

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Speaker 1: he has a bum right shoulder he has he's having

970
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Speaker 1: surgery on Monday, right, Uh, do the workouts and he

971
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Speaker 1: was gonna still benching tells a warrior. This guy is

972
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Speaker 1: Seriously he revealed today that he's had that injury the

973
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Speaker 1: last two years. He's played through it. So Uh, some

974
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Speaker 1: interesting things from Tach McKinley today learning about that injury. Uh.

975
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Speaker 1: Just he's an interesting player. And I think David said

976
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Speaker 1: the best you know it, the team that gets him

977
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Speaker 1: the media will be happy with the sound bite you're

978
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Speaker 1: gonna get from this guy's And yeah, it's unbelieving. And

979
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Speaker 1: he's just like, yeah, like this is my dream. Obviously,

980
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Speaker 1: I'm I mean, I played two years with this thing. Obviously,

981
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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna like go through all these workouts with

982
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: a torn laborum. Yeah, that's insane. Yeah, and he's just like, yeah,

983
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: he's and also wanting to Miles Garrett revealed today that

984
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Speaker 1: he had hurt his ankle, you know and any type.

985
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Speaker 1: So if you're one of those guys who are watching

986
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Speaker 1: tape or Gallus is watching tape anything after the Arkansas

987
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: game is really bad for him because he got his

988
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Speaker 1: ankle Hurton practice. You gotta watch September UCLA this he's

989
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: an opener. Yeah, that injury happening against Arkansas and then

990
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Speaker 1: the rest of the season he was he struggled with

991
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Speaker 1: he thought he was coming back, and then he revealed

992
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Speaker 1: today that someone uh you know, ran into him reinjured

993
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Speaker 1: that ankle during practice. So that really kept him side

994
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Speaker 1: not sideline because he's on the field, but he gimpie

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Speaker 1: the rest of the year and that's why, you know,

996
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Speaker 1: I think he was not as effective as you usually

997
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Speaker 1: expect him to against Alabama and against the bigger teams

998
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: down the stretch. Right, And Jabrill Peppers was another one

999
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: we got a chance to visit with. Jabrill Peppers will

1000
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Speaker 1: work out with the linebackers and the defensive backs on Monday,

1001
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Speaker 1: so he has an arrangement with the combine to be

1002
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Speaker 1: able to do position drills. He's gonna run his forty

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Speaker 1: and then on Monday, not run the forty again, but

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Speaker 1: just do the drills with the defensive backs. So he

1006
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Speaker 1: was asked first question out of the blocks. They said,

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Speaker 1: what position you place is? What do I look like

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Speaker 1: I play? You know, he sees himself as a defensive Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he sees safe. He sees himself as a safety. But

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Speaker 1: he's going through the linebacker drills as well, because that's

1011
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: the position he was listed at the start the year.

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Speaker 1: And he also said he would be willing to work

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Speaker 1: out on the offensive side for exactly for the running

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Speaker 1: teams that want to look him. We kind of we

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Speaker 1: kind of hinted that that's when I thought that maybe

1016
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Speaker 1: his best position might even be as a running back.

1017
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: So we'll see. Yeah, put the balls hands, so we'll see.

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00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: Those are all things that he can All you can

1019
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Speaker 1: do is do what a lot of versatil players, a

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Speaker 1: lot of versus players. Okay, David, you had the opportunity,

1021
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Speaker 1: you got to spend two hours a day with the owner, president,

1022
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Speaker 1: general manager on the bus talking about various things. That

1023
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Speaker 1: broad question is always the takeaway, but let's keep it

1024
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Speaker 1: draft specific. I mean there's a lot of takeaway, and

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Speaker 1: I mean we can get into Romo and a bunch

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Speaker 1: here on the Draft show, I think we should talk

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Speaker 1: about war daddies, Okay, because one of the things he

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Speaker 1: touched on was how do you go about finding the

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Speaker 1: war daddy pass rusher that you mentioned that you want.

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Speaker 1: Uh So, I'm just gonna read the quote because it's

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Speaker 1: it's fantastic. He said, Well, I'll tell you how you

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Speaker 1: try to get one. You try to do it like

1036
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Speaker 1: we did with Lawrence, which was trading up to get

1037
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Speaker 1: You try to get him like we did with Gregory.

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Speaker 1: That's some of the capital you talk about there. You

1040
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Speaker 1: take more risks, you get a little risk here, you

1041
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: get aggressive on going to get him, all of which

1042
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: is not as sound as getting him with the first

1043
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Speaker 1: pick in the draft, which obviously they don't have that option, right,

1044
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Speaker 1: But you gotta be imaginative in positioning that. And my

1045
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Speaker 1: experience is that with more risk, there's more risk involved

1046
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Speaker 1: if you're willing to take it. Okay, so kind of

1047
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: sounds like it's one of these kind of sounds like

1048
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Speaker 1: the sounds like, how was a trading up to number

1049
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Speaker 1: one for Garrett which he didn't outline in this I've

1050
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Speaker 1: sat in drafts where he didn't have it one and

1051
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Speaker 1: he was absolutely miserable. So probably don't need to do that. Yeah,

1052
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Speaker 1: he didn't detail it, but I mean he I thought

1053
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Speaker 1: it was really interesting. Okay, Yeah, you trade up for

1054
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Speaker 1: Lawrence And we talked about that the other night. Maybe

1055
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Speaker 1: you trade up from twenty eight to you know, twenty

1056
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 1: or something to get get this guy. But he threw

1057
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: Gregory out there too, which like as soon as and

1058
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know anything, I'm not you know,

1059
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to tell you something. But as soon

1060
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 1: as he said that, Jim Williams, Tim Williams, I mean,

1061
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: you sit here and you think you're like, well, the

1062
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 1: cowboys learned their lesson. They're not gonna do that again.

1063
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: But if you have a chance to get a war daddy,

1064
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: I think till I think Tim Williams is the second

1065
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: best pass rusher from the street. I think you just

1066
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: just can. And this is the maybe the smartest thing

1067
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 1: I think you've ever said in the five years I've

1068
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: known you, which is that you can't one hundred percent

1069
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 1: predict what's going to happen when the GM knows he's

1070
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: not gonna get fired. Yeah, I mean that the GM knows.

1071
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: When the GM knows is that he will have his

1072
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 1: job the day after the draft and the year after

1073
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 1: the year after the draft, and the year after the draft,

1074
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 1: then you you can make some bold move. If Jerry

1075
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: Jones thinks that he needs a big, the old pass

1076
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: rusher to really I hate the term put this team

1077
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: over the top, but to really make a difference on

1078
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: this year's team, I definitely don't think he'd be afraid

1079
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: to do something. Okay, now, so let's talk about guys

1080
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: to Steven Jones. But let me ask you this though,

1081
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: could he could You know we've talked about if m

1082
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 1: if McKinley was healthy, he would not make it to

1083
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: Dallas at twenty eight. Do you think I would be surprised? Yeah? No,

1084
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: I don't think he was healthy. I think he's like

1085
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: a top twenty. Okay, So then that leaves like, how

1086
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: about a guy like Barnett, and we think Barnett might

1087
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: go a little bit higher. Yeah, I don't think then. Okay, now, okay, okay,

1088
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: what if Barnette were to get to eighteen? Now do

1089
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: you go get him? Now? Do you go get him?

1090
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: That's the scenario. What are we giving up? Well, you're

1091
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: obviously you're gonna has to be ninety two. You're gonna happen. Yeah,

1092
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: it's good. Yeah, Yeah, is that enough? It might not not?

1093
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 1: Maybe not to get eighteen. Yeah, if you're gonnap to

1094
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: like twenty two, then I think that might be enough.

1095
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to probably give up sixty. Oh and

1096
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 1: I don't think you do that. You you try at

1097
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 1: all costs to avoid that. Don't take sixty. I'm just

1098
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: telling you, though, you can give that. I don't have

1099
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: my chart in front you. When the next draft show

1100
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,919
Speaker 1: next Thursday, when we're back at the Star, I'll bring

1101
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: my jet my draft chart with me. Would you get art?

1102
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: Would you give up ninety two and one thirty three

1103
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: to get from twenty eight? Take? Oh? God, you don't

1104
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: have a fifth round pick either? Yeah? No, you get

1105
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: You're basically you're saying you're getting three good picks or

1106
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you're getting two really good picks. You have

1107
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 1: to be pretty convinced that that player is gonna come

1108
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: in from day one and make an impact. Well, okay,

1109
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: let me I mean, and I'm I'm not saying I

1110
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: think this is a great idea, but I'm thinking like

1111
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 1: I'm Jerry Jones and I'm saying, Jalen Smith's playing, Charles

1112
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: Tapper's playing. I got I got those extra picks. Cowboys.

1113
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: See those two guys as two drafts that are joining

1114
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: the squad on this team like that. Basically both of

1115
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: them are just like, cover your eyes and hope for

1116
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:10,399
Speaker 1: the best. Yeah, I'm serious. I know, I know, I'm

1117
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 1: serious too. You. I mean, if you throw those two

1118
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 1: guys in the mix and you're saying give me, we'll say,

1119
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: we'll say Barnett just for the sake of a name.

1120
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: Throw in Barnette and then a dB at sixty, and

1121
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 1: then you add those two guys to the mix and go,

1122
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna need a saved You're a corner. It sounds

1123
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: like unless you got plans of resigning they have, they

1124
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 1: have too much crap that they need to do for

1125
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: them to be able to pull that off. That's too bold,

1126
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 1: that's tough, it really is. I I can't see him

1127
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: doing that. So the likely scenario then would be for

1128
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: him to do what he did with Gregory. Let's take

1129
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: a chance on Williams being there at sixty. God, what

1130
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: if they did that too, you know, back to back? Yeah,

1131
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 1: I don't. Okay, let's let's look at the crystal ball.

1132
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: Let's look at the crystal ball. Sure, we're sitting there.

1133
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: We're sitting there at day two at the draft, and

1134
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: it comes up to down and all of a sudden,

1135
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: we see Jason Garrett emphatically trying to convince Jerry Jones

1136
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 1: not to take the guy's like, and will McClay is

1137
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 1: like he's kind of trying to explain to Garrett and

1138
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 1: Jerry and wants nothing to do with either one of them.

1139
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: Were talking about, right, what are you gonna say when

1140
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: you when you when you say it's gonna be Tim Williams,

1141
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: what's your what's you're gonna the crystal ball? What are

1142
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: you gonna say? Good luck? You know, you crush your

1143
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: fingers and you just hope that the guy buys in

1144
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 1: it doesn't get into any problems. I don't that is

1145
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 1: a huge risk to take. I'm not sure I'm willing

1146
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 1: to do it. And we're after what happened with Gregory,

1147
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: you're not Yeah, well, not only that, but just I

1148
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: don't know when we're still figuring out, I want to

1149
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:44,399
Speaker 1: know what spent did you did you listen to Tim

1150
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 1: Williams talk today? He seemed like he was on the

1151
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 1: defensive pretty much. Oh yeah. I think that stems from

1152
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: what he's been used to the past few days, being

1153
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 1: with teams. You know, he's taking a lot of he is.

1154
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: He is a punching bag right now, exactly. So, I

1155
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't I think there's a good chance

1156
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: that when it's all said and done, he's not a

1157
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 1: first round pick, right. But it's sixty, that's what we're

1158
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: talking about. Hey, And for the record, we nobody saw

1159
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: Gregory falling all that way for sixty, So who knows

1160
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: if he's there at sixty? You know what, Here we

1161
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:18,359
Speaker 1: go again. Yeah, I mean it's I don't think anyone

1162
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: would be surprised when they made that move. No, I

1163
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 1: don't think so. And let it be noted that we

1164
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: on the last night of the combine for us, we

1165
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: if if it gets to that point, we're just all in. No,

1166
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 1: you know what you guys it. I think they I

1167
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: hope that they've learned their lesson. Well, I hope, but

1168
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: you're right the way you said earlier, Dave, this general manager,

1169
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 1: you quoted him, let's pull it. Let's pull it back though,

1170
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: and be a little more realistic here, and not that

1171
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,959
Speaker 1: that's unrealistic, but a little more vague. I guess, going

1172
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,439
Speaker 1: back to the point, the original point. If you got

1173
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:57,240
Speaker 1: a package twenty eight and ninety two to get something

1174
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: like how high up can that get you? And I

1175
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: know you don't have a chart. I wish I might

1176
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: chart with me. I'm sorry, Dane said, I mean twenty

1177
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: eight to twenty two. See if I could just get

1178
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: Denver to take Romo and flop those spots. We don't

1179
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: we don't need to get too deep and Jerry, Jerry

1180
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: said all possibilities are still on the table with Tony Romo.

1181
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: So okay, don't I mean that's not done, that's not finished.

1182
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: Real quick? Did he saything about backup quarterback? He did?

1183
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: He's saying about drafting a guy or he had a

1184
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 1: really he had a really, I'm I'm it's gonna take

1185
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: me forever to find it. But he basically said, you know,

1186
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: he's they really like Kellen Moore, which draft you know,

1187
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: roll your eyes or clap your hands however you feel.

1188
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: I don't care, um, but you know, he's basically like,

1189
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: you know, we don't have to get this like old

1190
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: thirty five year old veteran guy in the scenario where

1191
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: Tony Romo's not here. You know, we could bring back

1192
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: a guy like Kellen Moore and draft another guy. And

1193
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: I think I'm totally inferring here, but I kind of

1194
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: get the impression like Jerry really likes the idea of

1195
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: kind of like that Green Bay model of just having

1196
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: a guy in the pipe a lottery ticket. Yeah, I

1197
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: think it's and I don't. I think it works. I

1198
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: don't disagree with it at all. If this, if they

1199
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: were to draft a quarterback in the late rounds, I

1200
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: think it would piss a lot of fans off, but

1201
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: I think it would be smart. Oh yeah, I don't

1202
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: know how. Why would you be pissed off about that?

1203
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: It's it's a lottery because it's a player that ideally

1204
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: will not be They don't have a fifth round pick,

1205
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: and barring a catastrophe. He's not going to take snaps

1206
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: and that makes fans upset. Just as a general rule.

1207
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 1: He'say thing about his offensive line, the right tackle spot,

1208
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 1: he said he has there's been no indication that dub

1209
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: Free plans on retiring, which we kind of heard that

1210
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: earlier in the week, but he's still relying on Jazz Green.

1211
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: Well we didn't really talk about Jazz and Lyo, but

1212
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: he didn't mean he expects dub Free to finish up

1213
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: his contract, so that's worth considering. But yeah, no, I

1214
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: did think, like Jerry kind of said, you know, we

1215
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: don't have to get this old quarterback on his last legs,

1216
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: like a Kyle Orton back in the day, Like maybe

1217
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: we draft another guy and just kind of keep the

1218
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 1: youth movement going, which I think is a good idea.

1219
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: All right, Well that was that. That was good stuff. Though.

1220
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: I like what he's talking about. I mean, my eyebrows

1221
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:04,439
Speaker 1: shot up off my head when I heard him talking

1222
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 1: about taking risks to get where. I got one more thing,

1223
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, one more things that either about cornerback or safety.

1224
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 1: Really I'm writing a story about it right now. He

1225
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: said he would not tell us which, but he said,

1226
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: there's two positions on this roster that I think we

1227
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: really we have to do something about. We really can't

1228
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 1: afford to let that slip. I think cornerback is obviously right.

1229
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 1: Wide receiver is a really good candidate, specifically the Terrance

1230
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: Spot wide receiver too. And then I mean safety it's

1231
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: kind of an issue as well. So and people will

1232
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: say pass Rusher. I disagree with that because they have

1233
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 1: a lot, they have a lot of bodies. Yes, they

1234
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: could stand to improve, but they have the bodies necessary

1235
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: to play a game, whereas a cornerback and receiver they don't.

1236
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, no, And that all starts when we

1237
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 1: get back. I mean, we're gonna see yesterday right to night.

1238
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:52,919
Speaker 1: I have a feeling a handful of like long time

1239
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 1: cowboys are going to be holding up new jerseys by

1240
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: the end of this week. That you're right about that. Okay, David,

1241
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: thank you so much for doing that. And that is uh,

1242
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: that's gonna be all the time that we have today.

1243
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 1: And just again, thank everybody out there for joining us

1244
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: these last several days. We appreciate all the interaction we

1245
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: have with you with the Twitter on the twenty. We

1246
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 1: appreciate you guys listening all the various platforms. Again, I

1247
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 1: encourage you to go on make comments stuff like that,

1248
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: be happy to to read those. Anything we could do

1249
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: to improve the show. We'll be back with these guys,

1250
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 1: Dame Bugler, David Helm and King Garrison. I'll be back

1251
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: with them on next Thursday. From the Star. We'll put

1252
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: a bow on this combine, look at look ahead, and

1253
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: look at these pro days. We got those coming up

1254
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: now and not too far we'll be drafting some players.

1255
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 1: So once again, thanks everybody out there, Thanks to Derek Eagleton,

1256
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,479
Speaker 1: thanks to Ed K. Hill, and thanks to Taylor Stern

1257
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 1: for always pushing our stuff out there. We'll see you

1258
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 1: guys next week. From the Start