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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A brilliant med student goes

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Speaker 1: missing in a bar. How do you go missing in

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Speaker 1: never comes out? He vanishes. Where is Brian? Good evening,

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Speaker 1: I'm Missy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us. A twenty seven year old medical student

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Speaker 1: vanishes into thin air. Surveillance captures him entering a bar,

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Speaker 1: but never leaving. How does that happen? You enter a

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Speaker 1: bar and you never come back. Now, if this was

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Speaker 1: some sci fi movie, there would be a time warp

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Speaker 1: And Harry Potter, how you transport from one place to

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Speaker 1: the next just like that? Okay, that didn't happen. There

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Speaker 1: is a logical explanation, but what is it. How can

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Speaker 1: a brilliant medical student go into a bar to meet

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Speaker 1: his friends and never emerge. And it's not just that

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Speaker 1: witnesses don't see him emerge. He's not caught on security

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Speaker 1: surveillance cam CCTV nothing, He never leaves the bar, yet

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Speaker 1: he vanished. Where is Brian? Thank you for being with us. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's go straight up to the moment we realize he

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Speaker 1: has vanished. Listen.

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Speaker 2: Saturday morning, Alexis Wagoner calls her boyfriend to nail down

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Speaker 2: some final plans for their upcoming vacation. It goes straight

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Speaker 2: to Brian Shaffer's voicemail, but Wagoner assumes Schaeffer is sleeping

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Speaker 2: off the night before. That afternoon, a second call from

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Speaker 2: Wagoner goes to voicemail again. Schaeffer isn't answering his father either.

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Speaker 2: On Sunday, Derek Shaffer heads to his brother's apartment. Brian's

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's a lot of information, but most specifically, where

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Speaker 1: do I start the timeline? This starts with Saturday morning,

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Speaker 1: when Alexis Wagoner calls her boyfriend about final plans on

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Speaker 1: a vacation they're taking. And when she calls, it goes

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Speaker 1: night before. Okay, right there, Saturday morning, he's gone. That's

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Speaker 1: where we can officially start the timeline. Saturday morning with

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Speaker 1: me an all star panel to make sense of what

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Speaker 1: we know. But first to Sydney Summer. Sidney Sumner Crimeonline

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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter, Sydney, thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about the night before that Friday night girlfriend

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Speaker 1: reporting Saturday morning. He's not answering his phone. I'm deducing

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Speaker 1: he goes missing sometime on Friday night. Explain well, Nancy.

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Speaker 3: Friday night was the last day of classes before spring

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Speaker 3: break at OSU Medical School. Brian met with his father

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Speaker 3: that evening to celebrate completing his finals, and they had

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Speaker 3: a steak dinner. He told his father that he had

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Speaker 3: plans to go out that night with some friends. His

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Speaker 3: he should be wrestling a minute.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, Sandy Sumner, Okay, he has dinner with his father

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Speaker 1: Friday night, kind of celebrating the end of Ohio State

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Speaker 1: University's semester. This guy is a medical student, he's brilliant.

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Speaker 1: His family is so proud, so they're having this celebration meal.

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Speaker 1: They go out in public to a restaurant. We know

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Speaker 1: that witnesses spot him there. We know he's alive. Then

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Speaker 1: the father has no reason to lie of course, so

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Speaker 1: I can place him alive at what time, Sydney at

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Speaker 1: six pm? Nancy, six pm? The dinner started or ended?

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Speaker 1: I really assume started started at six pm. Okay, go forward.

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Speaker 3: So from there, Brian goes back to Columbus about a

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Speaker 3: half hour drive and at nine pm he meets his

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Speaker 3: former dorm meet William Clint Florence at the Ugly Tuna Saluna.

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Speaker 3: So this is the first time he's seen out with

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Speaker 1: check out the video we obtained the surveillance video of

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Speaker 1: him going to the bar, meeting up with his friends.

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Speaker 1: It's a big night. They are just finishing classes. This

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Speaker 1: is at the Ugly Tunas Saluona. It's a bar near

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Speaker 1: remind everybody there was a one hundred thousand dollar a

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Speaker 1: reward for information leading to the discovery of Brian's whereabouts.

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Speaker 1: What happens then, Sidney Sumner, So.

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Speaker 3: From the Ugly Tuna Saluna, Florence and Schaeffer start going

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Speaker 1: Got a question for you, Sidney Sumner. So they're pub crawling.

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Speaker 1: They leave the Ugly Tuna and meet up with other friends.

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Speaker 1: During that time, he calls the girlfriend. Ten pm. We've

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Speaker 1: got a confirmed call from Brian. He's alive.

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Speaker 3: That is correct.

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Speaker 1: Ten to twelve am. Ten pm, twelve am they pub crawl. Now, yes,

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Speaker 1: I can establish him alive at twelve am when he

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Speaker 1: Anything unusual, Sidney Sumner?

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Speaker 3: Nancy, No, there isn't. There is no report of anything unusual,

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Speaker 3: and the two men are still happy, jovial, having a

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Speaker 1: Okay, this guy seemingly goes into a bar and is

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Speaker 1: never seen alive again. Twelve am. They're bar hopping. Twelve am,

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Speaker 1: Brian and friend return to Ugly Tuna. All right. One

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Speaker 1: fifteen am we see Brian entering a bar. Which bar

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Speaker 1: is that Sidney Sumner. This is the Ugly Tuna.

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Speaker 3: So that one fifteen am surveillance footage is of Meredith, Brian,

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Speaker 3: her At one fifteen am, that's when we see Brian

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Speaker 3: on that surveillance video for the first time, coming up

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Speaker 3: that escalator. So the three enter the bar. There's a

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Speaker 3: so they are here for one last round. Are going

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Speaker 3: to spend about forty five minutes in the bar. At

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Speaker 3: one five we see Brian again on that right side

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Speaker 3: assume it's one fifty five am. He's trying to meet

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Speaker 3: don't find him. At two am, they're standing outside the entrance,

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Speaker 3: they're watching people.

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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on just a moment. I want to analyze.

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Speaker 1: I want to analyze what you told me so far.

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Speaker 1: So he's there with Meredith. It's Meredith, Brian, And who's

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Speaker 3: William Clint is his nickname, William Clint Florence and hey

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Speaker 3: is Hey. He was Brian Schaefer's former dorm meat. So

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Speaker 3: they're really close friends. They roomed together freshman year at college.

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Speaker 3: No bad blood, no none whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: Okay, the reason that Sidney Sumner is saying forty five minutes,

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Speaker 1: they're going to stay there forty five minutes. How do

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Speaker 1: we know that because the bar closes at two. It

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Speaker 1: closes at two am. Now, Sidney, is this just outside

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Speaker 3: Yeah? So this is just outside the entrance of the bar.

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Speaker 3: So you take this escalator up to the second floor.

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Speaker 3: You can get to several businesses on that second floor,

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Speaker 3: and the entrance of the Ugly to Tuna is just

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Speaker 3: behind that escalator. So when we see Brian standing to

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Speaker 1: Okay, we know he's going to be there at most

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Speaker 1: So Sidney Sumner are his friends Meredith and William in

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Speaker 3: Yes, so we see the three of them, the trio,

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Speaker 3: enter the bar together and then at some point Shaper

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Speaker 3: gives them some privacy. We're not sure if they just

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Speaker 3: got separated, if he found some friends that he wanted

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Speaker 3: to chat with, or if maybe these two were kind

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Speaker 3: alone time. So Shaper separates from Reed and Florence, who

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Speaker 3: stay together the entire time they're at the Ugly Saluna

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Speaker 3: Ugly Tuna Saluna, and they are supposed to join back

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Speaker 1: Okay, wait a minute, So are Meredith and William a couple.

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Speaker 3: No, that has not been confirmed. They are just friends.

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Speaker 1: Then why would he want to give them alone time?

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure. Maybe again, like we said, we saw

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Speaker 3: maybe he ran into some friends that he knew from

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Speaker 3: So I think that's what happened.

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Speaker 1: Now, let me understand something. Guys. You're hearing crime Alone

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Speaker 1: dot Com investigator reporter Sydney Summer, and we're looking and

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Speaker 1: video footage surveillance footage of Brian and the two people

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Speaker 1: with him in that video, Sidney, are Meredith and William.

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Speaker 3: Those are two women that Shafer was not out with

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Speaker 3: that night. They may have been classmates. Oh okay, so

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Speaker 3: coming up the escalator, Yes, that is Shaper and Force.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Sidney Sumner, you're saying he sees these two women.

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Speaker 1: They're laughing, they're talking, and it looks as if the

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Speaker 1: three of them go back into the bar. Sidney, correct, Nancy.

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Speaker 3: It looks like Shaefer walks off camera back towards the

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Speaker 3: meet back up with Reid and Florence, say goodbyes before

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Speaker 3: they partnight's for the evening. It's they know they have

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Speaker 1: Okay, and we do know can we confirm Meredith and

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Speaker 1: William are in the bar.

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Speaker 3: Yes. They waited for Shaper outside the bar for minutes

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Speaker 3: and minutes and minutes, and eventually they assumed that Shaffer

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace joining me right now. In

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Speaker 1: addition to Sidney Sumner is Matthew Mangino, high profile lawyer,

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Speaker 1: Steve Fisher, missing person's private investigator, doctor Angela Arnold, renowned

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Speaker 1: psychiatrist in the Atlanta jurisdiction. And Todd Shipley, who is

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Speaker 1: a digital cyber crime expert, author of investigating Internet crimes.

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Speaker 1: Todd Shipley, we would be able to tell, or an

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Speaker 1: expert would be able to tell, if this video, this

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Speaker 1: surveillance video we're looking at, had been doctored or edited

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Speaker 1: in any way. Isn't that true?

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Speaker 4: I think generally you're correct, because we have to look

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Speaker 4: at the time period when this occurred. The technology to

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Speaker 4: be able to fake that video didn't exist during that

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Speaker 4: time period, So I think we have to rely on

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Speaker 4: the fact that that video was actually correct and true,

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Speaker 4: and the police have never said It's not.

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Speaker 5: A night out with friends turns into a nightmare when

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Speaker 5: promising young med student Brian Shaeffer disappears.

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Speaker 1: By all accounts, Schaefer goes right back in the door

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Speaker 1: into the ugly tune of Selena and you can see

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Speaker 1: him following the two women he meets just outside the door,

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Speaker 1: and there's only one place to go, going in that

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Speaker 1: direction into the bar. No one disputes that, Oh wait,

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Speaker 1: how did we get here? In order to evaluate and

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Speaker 1: missing person or a murder case, you start with knowing

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Speaker 1: your victim. Everything you can find out about the victim,

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Speaker 1: it may have a huge impact on where they are

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Speaker 1: and what happened to him. So who is Brian Schaeffer? Listen?

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Speaker 2: Brian Schaefer grows up in Baltimore, Ohio, with his younger

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Speaker 2: brother Derek. After graduation, Shaeffer stays close to Homeford College,

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Speaker 2: pursuing a degree in microbiology at the University of Ohio.

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Speaker 2: Randy and Renee Schaeffer couldn't be more proud when their

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Speaker 1: The apple of his parents' eyes, Brian Schaeffer seemingly goes

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Speaker 1: straight out to Matthew Mangino, high profile lawyer joining US,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. There's so many theories

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Speaker 1: The conspiracy theories that surround cases, especially when they're unsolved, abound.

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Speaker 6: Well, Nancy, I think the most crucial aspect of this

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Speaker 1: Steve Fisher joining us Missing Person Private Investigator and you

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Speaker 1: with the two women, the two women go into the bar,

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Speaker 7: I mean, as an investigator, this has everything that you want,

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Speaker 1: It's extremely bizarre. Steve and again, and I'm gonna touch

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Speaker 8: Brian Schaefer makes the thirty minute drive from Columbus to

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Speaker 8: that evening with former roommate William Clint Florence. Randy Schaeffer

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Speaker 5: A mysterious cell being a potential sighting in Mexico, but

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Speaker 5: What did happen to Brian Schaefer?

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Speaker 1: Again? Not the first time a victim has gone into

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Speaker 1: find Brian. We are reviewing what we know to be true.

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Speaker 1: We can see it with our own eyes, or can

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Speaker 9: At one fifteen am, Schaeffer, Florence, and Reed head up

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Speaker 9: Shaeffer gives Florence and Reads some time alone and chats

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Speaker 9: Shaffer went home, likely walking to his off campus apartment

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Speaker 1: And isn't it true to crimeonline dot Com investigative reporter

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Speaker 1: Sydney Sumners that video evidence CCTV, all sorts of hard evidence,

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Speaker 1: does not reveal Brian Schaefer ever leaving that bar, not

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Speaker 1: going back down the escalator, which is where he came from.

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Speaker 1: It came in that way, he doesn't go back down.

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Speaker 1: He's not spotted by any of the other businesses going

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Speaker 3: Nancy, There is nothing. And Columbus is actually it has

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Speaker 3: have some indication as to where Shaper went. Police went

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Speaker 3: They checked cameras at three other bars they had been

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Speaker 1: Nothing.

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Speaker 3: There is just nothing to indicate that Shaper ever left

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Speaker 1: And Sidney Sumner. What about those two women? Have they

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Speaker 3: Yes, they have been identified, questioned and they were both

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Speaker 3: cleared as suspects. They said that they spoke with Shaper

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Speaker 3: very briefly. He left the conversation. They don't know where

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Speaker 1: Okay to Todd Shipley, joining US digital cybercrime expert, former

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Speaker 1: find him at dark intel dot info. Todd Shipley. We

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Speaker 1: can very easily make out him and his friends coming

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Speaker 1: those theories, again, those are just wild conspiracy theories. There's

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Speaker 1: no evidence either of those things happen that he put

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Speaker 4: Well exactly. I mean, the video stands for itself. I

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Speaker 1: only bringing up that back exit so everybody knows about it.

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Speaker 1: He didn't go down the back exit, and I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you why, Sidney. I've told you this once, I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you again. And all the years I try cases, my

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Speaker 1: And I guarantee you I would trust a dog even

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that back exit. Realistically, we would have seen

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Speaker 3: police start to theorize that maybe he left the building

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Speaker 1: You know, City Cumer, you've been reporting for quite a

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Speaker 1: while and you've always struck me as a very rational,

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Speaker 3: That's the first time we've heard of it, Nancy, where

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Speaker 1: So how would he have gotten into the trash.

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Speaker 3: With all of these witnesses, There's no way. That makes

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Speaker 1: He have gotten into a giant dumpster with nobody seeing it?

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Speaker 1: How would his body had been put in the trash?

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Speaker 1: And then what taken off to a landfill? I mean,

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Speaker 1: because now I'm tormenting Sydney and she doesn't deserve that.

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Speaker 1: Steve Fisher, a missing person's private investigator. Do you believe

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Speaker 1: if by this far Fisch theory and I'm only discussing

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Speaker 1: it to appease the conspiracy theorists. Even if this far

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Speaker 1: the dogs, there's no witness, nothing, that all the employees

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Speaker 7: Explained, Yeah, the dogs simply would not miss that. I'm

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Speaker 9: So that theory.

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Speaker 7: And also people start producing death scent, you know, right

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Speaker 7: can't hide it. They're just that good.

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Speaker 1: Well, not only that, Steve Fisher, cadaver dogs were brought

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Speaker 1: in in addition to bloodhounds or scent dogs to pick

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and I think law enforcements were very clear that

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Speaker 7: they've ruled out that back interest. And also from I understand,

432
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Speaker 7: there was a security guard stationed at the back entrance

433
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Speaker 7: and that's where the band was playing, and he would

434
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Speaker 7: have had to walk through the band to get to

435
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Speaker 7: the door.

436
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Speaker 5: Brian's disappearance remains a perplexing mystery to the city of

437
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Speaker 5: Columbus almost two decades later.

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Speaker 1: Not only would Brian Shafer have to go down a

439
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 1: ladder or have a key to a freight elevator which

440
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Speaker 1: he did not send dogs and cadaver dogs do not

441
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 1: pick on his scent going down that back exit, And

442
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 1: according to Steve Fisher, who is correct, he would have

443
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Speaker 1: to have passed a security guard and a band that

444
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Speaker 1: did not happen. I like to also point out, and

445
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Speaker 1: Sidney correct me if I'm wrong, that the dogs also

446
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: looked at pass leading from the bar. We've got nothing, Okay,

447
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: she's not in her hand, yes, Doctor Angie Arnold joining

448
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: me renown psychiatrist out of the Atlanta jurisdiction at Angelo

449
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: Arnold MD dot com. Why do conspiracy theorists exist? Because yes,

450
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: there haven't been there have been a few conspiracies that

451
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: actually worked, but for the most part they don't work.

452
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: I promise you the LAPD did not join in on

453
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: a really big conspiracy to frame a beloved football star,

454
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 1: Oj Simpson. That did not happen. It did not happen.

455
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: Don't you know that one of them would have made

456
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: a deal with a publisher by now a two three

457
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: million dollar deal to tell the truth about the murders.

458
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 1: Same thing here. Why do conspiracy theorists do what they do?

459
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Speaker 10: Well, Nancy, think about who conspiracy theorists are. There are

460
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 10: always people out there that live on the fringes that

461
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 10: they want to come up with the craziest, most off

462
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Speaker 10: the wall idea that they can sometimes in the hopes.

463
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Speaker 1: Of their own notoriety.

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Speaker 10: And that's why I believe conspiracy theorists exists. And then unfortunately,

465
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 10: with some conspiracy theorists, they become delusional and they believe

466
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Speaker 10: what they're saying, and they go down a rabbit hole

467
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 10: and they stay there. But when you think of when

468
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Speaker 10: you think of the continuum of the types of people

469
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Speaker 10: that exist on the Earth, not everybody falls under the

470
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Speaker 10: Bell curve, and so there are always people on the

471
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Speaker 10: edges of the Bill curve that want to think of

472
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Speaker 10: the craziest scenarios that they can.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you can't put that in front of a jury. Guys.

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00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: Local police dotted their eyes and crossed their teas. Listen,

475
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: Columbus PD holygraphs. Those who last saw Brian Shaeffer, including

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00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: Randy Schaeffer and Meredith Read both pass and are cleared

477
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: as suspects. However, Clint Florence refuses to submit to the

478
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: light detector test. Investigators theorize that perhaps Brian Shaeffer, still

479
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: grieving the death of his mother, left town for some solitude,

480
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: but with no activity on his cell phone or bank accounts,

481
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Speaker 1: there's no indication to where he might have gone. Okay,

482
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: that's bs right there. He did not leave town for

483
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: a long time. He just met with his father for dinner.

484
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: He would not have done that to his father. There's

485
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: no indication that happened. More conspiracy theories. No atm us,

486
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: no credit card, use, nav on his car, nothing, nothing

487
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: to support that theory. But listen to this weird fact.

488
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 2: Alexis Wagoner called Brian Shaeffer's cell phone at least once

489
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 2: a day before going to bed, at most hoping he

490
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 2: might answer, at least getting to hear his voicemail. Six

491
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: months after his disappearance, Shaeffer's voicemail doesn't immediately play. Instead,

492
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 2: the phone rings three times. Wagoner immediately reports it to police,

493
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 2: and investigators find that the phone pinged in Hilliard, a

494
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 2: suburb of Columbus, fourteen miles northwest. Shaeffer's cel phone company

495
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 2: says the activity is likely just to glitch, but family

496
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: and friends hope it is an indication that Brian is alive.

497
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: Holding on to any any scentilla of evidence that Brian

498
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: could be alive, the theories that he is alive only

499
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: deepen after this.

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Speaker 9: Two years after Brian Shaeffer's disappearance, a large storm blows

501
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 9: through Baltimore, Ohio. Randy Shaeffer tries to cross his yard

502
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 9: to retrieve something from his tool shed when a tree

503
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 9: branch snaps, hitting him and killing him. Days after his death,

504
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 9: Randy Shaffer's online obituary gets a comment reading, I love

505
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 9: you Dad, Love Brian. Us Virgin Islands investigators believe they've

506
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 9: gotten their break. Did Shaeffer leave the country and start

507
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 9: a band, plans he had jokingly mentioned to med school friends.

508
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 9: The message turns out to be a cruel hoax, leading

509
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 9: only to yet another dead end.

510
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: You know, I could spend the whole hour talking about

511
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: what Jackass did that writing a note from Brian on

512
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: his online obituary to his father that said, another dead end.

513
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: I keep talking about another case where someone goes in

514
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: and building and never comes out. I'm talking about Annie Lee. Listen.

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00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 11: When police learn Annie Lay was never seen leaving the

516
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 11: Amistade Street building, they must assume Lay is still inside.

517
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 11: Investigators comb the build, discovering bloody clothes hidden above a

518
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 11: ceiling tile. Three days after Annie Lay is reported missing

519
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 11: and the day of her planned wedding, Lay's body is

520
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 11: found stuffed in a cable chassis in a basement laboratory.

521
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 11: Lay had been strangled. A twenty seven.

522
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 5: Year old medical student vanishes into thin air. Surveillance captures

523
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 5: him entering a bar but never leaving. Where is Brian Schaeffer?

524
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: In the last months, another young man disappears en route

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Speaker 1: to a bar.

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Speaker 3: Listen, it is it's that you're wanting to report us missing.

527
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 9: We're here on a fraternitey formal trip.

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Speaker 7: It's one of my good buddies. Okay, what is his name?

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Speaker 1: His name is Riley Straane Riley r I l e

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Speaker 1: y Strane.

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Speaker 3: St r A And what was he last man wearing.

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00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 7: Outside of Luke Brian's Bar last night at Lake ten

533
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 7: and then the last time his location on his phone

534
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 7: was by the Sheriff's office.

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Speaker 8: I like a lot of them.

536
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: Riley's Strain leaving Luke's Bar wasn't seen alive again. Quite

537
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: a period of time passed before his body was found

538
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: in a body of water, still under mysterious circumstances. And

539
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: He's not the only one. What about Andy Tinch?

540
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 2: Andy Tinch has plans to spend the night out in Charlotte,

541
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Speaker 2: North Carolina, to celebrate his thirty first birthday. Monday morning,

542
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 2: Tinch misses his shift at his nursing job. His family

543
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 2: immediately reports him missing. Later that night, Tench's car is

544
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Speaker 2: found abandoned in Monroe. As the investigation continues, police get

545
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Speaker 2: a tip that Tinch was seen at Bar three sixteen

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Speaker 2: around twelve thirty am.

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Speaker 1: This is the last known sighting of Andy tent So

548
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: Andy Tinch seemingly goes into a bar and never comes out.

549
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: I know the answer to that, Reddle Tench was murdered.

550
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: His body was disposed of in the garbage. That theory

551
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: has been researched and investigated extensively. In Brian Schaeffer's case,

552
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: that did not happen. Take a listen to this.

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00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 11: Over the years, many have theorized about what happened to

554
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 11: Brian Schaeffer. Did Schaeffer change closed and simply wasn't recognized

555
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 11: coming down the escalator. Was he killed and dismembered hidden

556
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 11: in an empty keg, did a member of the band

557
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 11: stuff his body into an instrument case? Or was he

558
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 11: hidden in the building's infrastructure concealed by the ongoing construction.

559
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 11: Columbus PD hopes to one day have the answer for

560
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 11: Schaeffer's loved ones and is still asking the public for

561
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 11: any information they might have. Central Ohio Crime Stoppers is

562
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 11: offering a one hundred thousand dollars reward for tips that

563
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 11: help locate Brian Schaeffer.

564
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 1: A one hundred thousand dollars reward tip line sixty one

565
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 1: four four five four six two four. What happened to Brian?

566
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: To Matthew men Gino, best theory.

567
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 6: Well, you absolutely supernatural. He either walked out, was carried out,

568
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 6: or is still there.

569
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Speaker 1: I mean that there.

570
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 6: Aren't any other options than that, and that's where the

571
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 6: bizarre unsolved aspect of thisness.

572
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: Walked out, carried out or never leaves. What about it,

573
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Speaker 1: Steve Fisher.

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Speaker 7: I think he gets out of the building. I think

575
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 7: somehow there's a blind spot in the surveillance, and not

576
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 7: on purpose, but I think he, you know, gets out

577
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 7: and then and something happens to him and most likely

578
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 7: ends up, you know, in the water or something like that.

579
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:42,720
Speaker 7: Much like rither Stream.

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Speaker 1: Good theory is Steve Fisher, except for the friends were

581
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: waiting for him just outside the building. Doctor Angie Arnold

582
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Speaker 1: jump in.

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Speaker 10: You know, Nancy, medical school is very stressful. His mother

584
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 10: dying was very stressful. I have this gut feeling that

585
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 10: he disappeared and he's living his life somewhere else.

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00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 3: That's really what I think, Nancy.

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00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: All right, Doctor Angie, I thought you were going to

588
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: go down that route. I thought you might go with suicide.

589
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: So you're saying that he is left behind the fiance,

590
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: all of his relatives and his father to suffer because

591
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: he wanted alone time.

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00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 10: I didn't say because he wanted alone time, Nancy, I said,

593
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 10: because maybe he wanted to disappear. Maybe he didn't want

594
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 10: to be a doctor anymore. Maybe he didn't want to

595
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 10: marry his fiance anymore. Maybe the stress of his mother

596
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 10: dying pushed him over the edge after the stress of

597
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 10: going to medical school. Nancy, it's a theory that has

598
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 10: to be considered.

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00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: Okay, let me circle back to Sidney Sumner. Sidney Sumner, Yes, No,

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Speaker 1: didn't this occur in April of two thousand and six.

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Speaker 3: That is completely correct. Eighteen years, two months and three

602
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Speaker 3: days ago.

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Speaker 1: Todd Shiffley's joining me digital cybercrime. For Todd Shipley, this

604
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 1: guy would have to have some sort of a digital imprint. Now,

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00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,760
Speaker 1: there would have to be a fingerprint, a something showing

606
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: that he was still alive.

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00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,919
Speaker 4: Well, cell phones are uniquely identified in the system by

608
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 4: their serial number, their IEMEI number, And so when that

609
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 4: rings six months later and they're identifying that ping fourteen

610
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 4: miles away in Hilliard, something occurred. I can't believe that

611
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 4: it was actually just a glitch. And in fact, there's

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Speaker 4: a recycling company that is up there in Hilliard and

613
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,240
Speaker 4: started about a year before he went missing, So somebody

614
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 4: could have turned the phone in and they happened to

615
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 4: turn it on for whatever reason, and it happened I

616
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 4: think there's some evidence that we haven't found surrounding that phone,

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00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 4: and we need to find City.

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00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: Summer joining us crime online dot com. The phone disappeared

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Speaker 1: along with him. Correct. That is correct.

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Speaker 3: Brand's car was found outside of his sportman.

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Speaker 1: Ah Okay, So we would I have to believe, logically speaking,

622
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: that he became separated from his phone and that the

623
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: phone somehow activated. I'm thinking long and hard about that,

624
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: and I've got to reconcile it with the fact that

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00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: I do not believe he would have left his father, relatives, friends,

626
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: fiance behind and suffering to have alone time or to disappear.

627
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: He was more determined to get through med school after

628
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Speaker 1: his mother's death than ever. That was his mission. I'm

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Speaker 1: not buy it, needs he Gray, signing off goodbye friend,