1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. 2 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 2: What is up, Straight Fire Fan, It's me Jason McIntyre, 3 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 2: Straight Bowyer for Wednesday, March the fourth. Got a good 4 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 2: little night in college basketball, fun little Lakers game. I mean, listen, 5 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 2: the sports are about to. 6 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: Get really, really, really good. 7 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 2: Who can complain more basketball? A little spring trading action, 8 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 2: got the World Baseball Classic coming up. It's gonna be 9 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 2: just a great week, great month in sports. World Cup 10 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 2: of course on the horizon. But today today, oh boy, 11 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 2: one of our most controversial guests that we've had in 12 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 2: the last few years. Daniel Kelly. You may remember him. 13 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 2: He's a former scout with with the Jets. He's not 14 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 2: currently a scout, but he does analyze quarterbacks, breaks down 15 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 2: the film, looks at the traits and tendencies, and he 16 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 2: gives his take on quarterbacks. Now, he has had a 17 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 2: couple good years with direct hits on a guys who 18 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,839 Speaker 2: would A lot of guys would be flops calling direct 19 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 2: hits is a lot harder. Hasn't had as much success 20 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 2: with those, but he can get a whiff of whiffs. Yeah, 21 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 2: let's see what I did there. I'm not gonna spoil 22 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 2: his party, but I'm just gonna say, Fernando Mendoza is 23 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 2: talked about frequently and he's so convincing. I almost wanted 24 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,479 Speaker 2: to go on one of these prediction markets and take 25 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 2: the other side of Fernando Mendoza going one. Okay, but 26 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 2: I didn't do it. I'm not advising you too, could 27 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 2: be worth it. Before we get to that. While we 28 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 2: were recording the interview on Tuesday afternoon, the news came 29 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 2: down that the Cardinals were releasing Kyler Murray. Kyler Murray 30 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 2: said goodbye on social media and thus ends what was 31 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 2: supposed to be a ballyhood career for Kyler Murray, going 32 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 2: from Texas A and M to oak Lahoma to the 33 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: number one pick. Remember the year before he got there, 34 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 2: they took Josh Rosed, remember that guy tenth overall. Kyler 35 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 2: lands with the Cardinals and out of the gate you 36 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 2: could tell he's a fun quarterback. He got a lot done, 37 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 2: just didn't win a lot. But the trajectory was five, 38 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 2: ten and one. In year one, twelve interceptions led the league. 39 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 2: Then in year two, eight and eight so improvement, twelve 40 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 2: interceptions tied for the league lead, and his rushing ticked 41 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 2: up and it was like oh, that's his secret weapon. 42 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: Year two he had eight hundred nineteen yards rushing eleven tuddies. 43 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 2: Year three was when he really stepped up. They made 44 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 2: the playoffs. He personally went nine to five. It was injured, 45 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 2: missed a couple of games, and that was the highlight. 46 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 2: Of course, the low light was when they had a 47 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 2: playoff game against the Rams and Aaron Donald was ragdalling 48 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 2: him and he basically said, I'm done, I quit. I 49 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 2: don't want to go back in the game. Unbelievably, that 50 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 2: season he had thirteen fumbles and losses zero. Since that season, 51 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 2: it has been a disaster of losses, injuries, Kingsbury. They 52 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 2: moved on from him. His career record is ten games 53 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 2: under five hundred. 54 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 3: That's rough. 55 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 2: He's just he's not a winning quarterback. That playoff game 56 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 2: against the Rams, fifty five percent completions buck thirty seven, 57 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 2: four point zero yards per attempt, two picks, zero touchdowns, 58 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 2: quarterback rating of forty and get this, two carries for 59 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 2: six yards. That's as dreadful of a playoff game as 60 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 2: you will find. And we have not really heard from 61 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 2: him since. It's been all downhill since for Kyler Murray, 62 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 2: I don't know where he lands. He's only was he 63 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 2: twenty eight, turns twenty nine in August. He'll be a 64 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 2: backup somewhere unless he goes to Indy. Then he could 65 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 2: probably start for half the season until Daniel Jones comes back. 66 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 2: I just he doesn't strike me as the kind of 67 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 2: guy you want as your clipboard holder. Like the backup 68 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 2: quarterback has to be very raw. Raw has to be 69 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 2: content in his deal. He doesn't say anything to ruffle feathers. 70 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 2: He you know, is on He's on the hook to 71 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 2: be ready at any moment. And I've just never body 72 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 2: language wise, I just see Kyler Murray as kind of 73 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 2: a guy who didn't really want it, a little petulant, 74 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 2: and he never seems like he's having fun on the 75 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 2: football field. Good luck finding him smile. But the guy 76 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 2: has some amazing highlights. It was a Hail Mary touchdown 77 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 2: pass he threw, and I remember it because it won 78 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 2: me money. Listen, I'm a huge I was a huge fan. 79 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 2: And then I talked to somebody in the organization who 80 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 2: was just telling me about these habits and you know, 81 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 2: never opening his computer once, and they can track that stuff, 82 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 2: and they did. Didn't look at the playbook at all, 83 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 2: like it was bad. All that stuff was true. That's 84 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 2: why they had to try to write the homework clause 85 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 2: in his contract, and he got pissed about him. He 86 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 2: was like, bugger off. Just it was just a mess, 87 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 2: and maybe a fresh start helps him out. But if 88 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 2: we're being real guys, I don't see him massively turning 89 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 2: it around wherever he lands. All right, without further ado, 90 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 2: let's get to our guest, Daniel Kelly, former NF scout. 91 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 92 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,679 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio 93 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,919 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to 94 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: listen live. You know a guy, Jason likes to think 95 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: he knows everything when it comes to sports. 96 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 2: I know what sports Fance wants, but for. 97 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 1: Everything he doesn't, he knows a guy who does. 98 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 4: Let's just say I know a guy who knows a 99 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 4: guy who knows another guy. 100 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 2: All right, let's welcome back to straight fire. Former NFL scout, 101 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 2: and I think we've had him on almost every year 102 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 2: that we've talked draft. Daniel Kelly. He likes to throw 103 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 2: some big time grenades. A lot of people are like, oh, 104 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 2: come on, Dan, What is this nonsense? Zach Wilson not 105 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 2: a first rounder? Well, he's proven right, proven right about 106 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 2: a bunch of guys. So we're bringing him on to 107 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 2: talk because this is a really week I think it's 108 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 2: a week overall draft Daniel, specifically at quarterback. What say you? 109 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 4: No, it has its weaknesses at the position. I mean 110 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 4: there's a couple guys I look at that. I think 111 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 4: our surefire starters in the league. I look at my 112 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,679 Speaker 4: QB one in the twenty twenty six NFL draft, Carson Beck. 113 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 4: He's a guy that's the most NFL ready guy I think, 114 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 4: with the best NFL ahead on his shoulders. A guy 115 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 4: who's you know, gone through some adversity, bounced back from Georgia, 116 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 4: kind of reinvented himself in Miami, came back to just 117 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 4: lead the team, but let him all the way to 118 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 4: the National Championship Game. And you know, the big question 119 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 4: for me on Beck was how was he going to 120 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 4: respond to his new team? How was he going to 121 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 4: bounce back from the injury. I think he answered those questions, 122 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 4: team responded well to him, and that to me is 123 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 4: a great predictor as far as NFL success and the 124 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 4: other guy I look at is Drew Aller from my 125 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 4: QB two, who have a second round grade on out 126 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 4: of Penn State, and I, you know, this is a 127 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 4: guy that I've I've looked at these guys in thirty 128 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 4: forty games apiece go all the way back to three 129 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 4: years a game FIM. I watch every game on him 130 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 4: in each season, and I had a fifth round grade 131 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 4: on on Aler in twenty twenty three. Kind of spot 132 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 4: the accuracy. I opted to a first round grade on 133 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 4: my board in twenty twenty four. Really like what I saw. 134 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 4: Of course, bounces back has kind of an off year 135 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 4: with Penn State. 136 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 3: Everything kind of fell apart. Coach got fired, you. 137 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 4: Know, he broke his ankle, you know, didn't have you 138 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 4: know that, it didn't seem like he trust his receivers 139 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 4: on film, didn't have Tyler Warren, et cetera. I dropped 140 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 4: him down to a second round great and really what 141 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 4: I was looking at was, you know, how, what's he 142 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 4: going to look like at the combine? What's he going 143 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 4: to look like pre draft throwing the ball? That was 144 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 4: the big thing I wanted to see in this combine 145 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 4: in fact, and he came out there and he was 146 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 4: just launching it, which was really great for me to see, 147 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 4: and so I have a second round greade at him. 148 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 4: But I really think that that Beck and al are 149 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 4: the two guys that we can hang our hat on 150 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 4: this draft that can come in and become a starter 151 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 4: in this league. 152 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 2: Okay, so a lot of people are with Mendozo. Now wait, 153 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 2: don't don't give it away yet, but let's start with Aller. 154 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 2: So actually let's back up a little. So Daniel, it 155 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 2: feels like a group think in quarterbacks begins before the 156 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 2: last college football season. So before the season, Carson Beck 157 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 2: was a hot name, Drew Aller was a hot name. 158 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 2: Then the season happens, right and Aler, you know, like 159 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 2: you said, he got hurt, but I didn't see greatness. 160 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 2: Now you made a great point. They lose Tyler Warren, 161 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 2: but you just didn't see greatness and then he gets hurt. 162 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 2: I mean, they were one of the biggest disappointments in 163 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 2: college football. Beck is interesting because they did go all 164 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 2: the way to the Natty, but you said carried them. 165 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 2: Do you think it was what the defense or him? 166 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 2: Because I I think people are expecting these guys to 167 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 2: pop when the hype is there, and I don't remember 168 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 2: a big game where Carson Beck played great, or maybe 169 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 2: that doesn't matter in your handicap. 170 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 4: Well, I kind of look at the full body of work, 171 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 4: and you know, to me, it's it's you know, Beckhead. 172 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 4: You know, it's kind of a little bit of a 173 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 4: roller coaster season at times, like you know, you were 174 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 4: talking about for back, but you know, then he kind 175 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 4: of like settled into it and settled down, I felt, 176 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:55,959 Speaker 4: and really the team started. What was you know, really 177 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 4: impressive to me is how the team started responding to him, 178 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 4: how the team kind of jell, they kind of formed 179 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 4: around him, So it was kind of his overall leadership. 180 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 4: I felt to kind of pulled that whole thing together 181 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 4: in Miami and brought them down the stretch, which was, 182 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 4: you know, really really great for me to see. 183 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm looking at Beck's big games. I don't 184 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 2: know if we're calling Florida a big game. Florida wasn't great. 185 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 2: Seventeen thirty fifty six percent completions, zero touchdowns, one hundred 186 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 2: and sixty yards a pick. I mean, yeah, he's thrown 187 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 2: for three forty against South Florida and three twenty against 188 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 2: Virginia Tech. But what do you do against SMU terrible 189 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 2: Louisville awful? Four picks? But again, how much do the 190 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 2: stats matter versus Hey, can he make chicken salad out 191 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 2: of chicken shit when the pocket's collapsing? You know, does 192 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:44,119 Speaker 2: he have the arm, the quick awareness, the brock Purty processing. 193 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 2: That's the stuff that gets really muddied with some of 194 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 2: these quarterback projections. 195 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:49,959 Speaker 3: Right, it does. 196 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 4: I mean there's such a big difference between college football 197 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 4: and the NFL. I mean everything's different. Even the size 198 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 4: of the football is different. I mean, the coverages are 199 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 4: a lot looser, it's a lot of off man, lot 200 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 4: of zone. It's just it's it's a lot different. So 201 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 4: to your point, what I look at is I I 202 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 4: put on my NFL colored glasses. I called it, you know, 203 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 4: looking at these guys from my NFL perspective, and I'm 204 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 4: looking for things like, you know. 205 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 3: How fast does he get rid of the ball of 206 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 3: his hands? 207 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 4: Carson Beck has the fastest time to throw up any 208 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 4: quarterback in this draft class per PFF two point four 209 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 4: zero seconds. So he's making quick decisions, He's making accurate decisions. 210 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 4: I mean, Carson Beck's a guy that has seventy two 211 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 4: point four percent completion percentage. So to me, ideally in 212 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 4: the NFL, it's about getting a quarterback and get all 213 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 4: the ball, you know, get the ball of. 214 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 3: His hand quickly and make accurate decisions. You know. 215 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 4: Progressions is another thing I'm watching while I'm watching film. 216 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 4: I'm watching their head turn around, you know, are they 217 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 4: are they looking around? 218 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 3: Are they going through their reads? Are they you know, 219 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 3: are they doing that? To me? 220 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 4: Carson Beck is is the most pro ready quarterback from 221 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 4: a coverage read standpoint. I saw him regularly make you know, two, three, 222 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 4: four or five reads standing back there in the pocket. 223 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 3: He can dissect coverages. 224 00:10:57,559 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 4: And the thing I love most about Carson beck over 225 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 4: the last few seasons, I mean I've looked at all 226 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 4: forty three of his starts and studied all of them, 227 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 4: and the thing I like is how he's able to 228 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 4: manipulate and move defenders by his body positioning and also 229 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 4: by his eyes. He's able to move people around kind 230 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 4: of like we saw CJ. Stroud do at Ohio State. 231 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 4: So I really like. 232 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 3: Those things about him. 233 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 4: And like, you know, like you said, it's like you 234 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 4: know this going from you know, from college to the NFL. 235 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 3: It's like you know, he's a guy. 236 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 4: Beck's the guy that can can you know he feels 237 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 4: so he looks so comfy to me in a clean 238 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 4: or a dirty pocket. He's downfield focused, he can slide around, 239 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 4: he can throw the ball from different arm angles. He's 240 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 4: able to like do things you know that translate very 241 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 4: well to the NFL from his college tape. So, yeah, 242 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 4: the stats do play a role. Every piece of information 243 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,319 Speaker 4: is a piece to the puzzle. But overall, I'm looking 244 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 4: at what kind of traits best translate from college to 245 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 4: the NFL. 246 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, traits matter so much more. So let me ask 247 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 2: you this. So, he was amazing at Georgia. They did 248 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 2: not win the Natty, but he had lad mcconky and 249 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 2: rock powers. They go to the pros, his numbers fall 250 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 2: off a cliff. He leaves the country in interceptions, I believe, 251 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 2: and then he asked to transfer because he can't go 252 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:11,599 Speaker 2: NFL after that. So he goes to Miami, put some 253 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 2: really good numbers. They lose in the National Championship. Do 254 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 2: you think the stench of his final year at Georgia 255 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 2: is hurting him? Because I haven't heard anybody mentioned him 256 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 2: as a first round prospect. 257 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 3: Nobody no. 258 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 4: You know, it's interesting because I had a first round 259 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 4: great on his twenty twenty three film, Loved Him. Twenty 260 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 4: twenty four things kind of fell off a little bit, 261 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 4: like you're talking about. I actually moved him down on 262 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 4: my board to a second round value, you know if 263 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 4: there's twenty twenty four film. 264 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 3: And the big thing for me was. 265 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 4: It felt like there was like this black like this cloud, 266 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 4: like this distraction, like he was very distracted. That's what 267 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 4: kept going to my mind watching his twenty twenty four film, 268 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 4: like you know, maybe there was some you know, some 269 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 4: stuff on social media. Maybe he's getting caught up in 270 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 4: some stuff. Maybe there's somebody you know, his It just 271 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:56,719 Speaker 4: didn't seem like it was in the game. 272 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 3: You know. 273 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 4: So to me, it's like I very much look at 274 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 4: the full body of work in the twenty twenty four film. 275 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 4: Definitely concerned me. That's why I was so eager to 276 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 4: see how he was going to do at Miami, because 277 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 4: I was like, okay, because everybody always says, who can't 278 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 4: win at Georgia, Right, I mean, stints've been you know, 279 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 4: went at Georgia. I mean two national championships and one's like, hey, 280 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 4: the great offensive line, everybody's going to turn pro. But 281 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 4: I was interested to see how is he going to 282 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 4: do now going from Georgia to Miami, and not only that, 283 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 4: but coming back from the catastrophic arm injury he suffered 284 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 4: the SEC Championship against Texas, so he's rehabbing the arm. 285 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 4: There's a lot of noise, there's a lot of doubters, 286 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 4: there's a lot of criticism. 287 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 3: People are that. 288 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 4: Kind of like, you know, not really talking about him much. 289 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 4: He has to kind of go through the paint in 290 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,599 Speaker 4: that rehab. He comes back to Miami, he's got to 291 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 4: kind of like introduce him tough to a new team 292 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 4: and a new city, and of course it's. 293 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 3: Everything that comes along with that. 294 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 4: And I was like, Okay, let's see how Carson Beck 295 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 4: is mature through this process. And to me, there was 296 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 4: some real there's still some some you know, sometimes I 297 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 4: think he lets his personal life get into the way 298 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 4: too much. And they talked to commentators, talked about that 299 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 4: during some of the games during the season, where he 300 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 4: was kind of leaning on his mom for some advice 301 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 4: and some different things. But I think, yeah, he was 302 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 4: actually able to you know, overcome that and go down 303 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 4: the stretch and and and to me, it's like, I 304 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 4: think there's signs of maturation in that area. So to 305 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 4: your point, it's definitely something that's part of the puzzle. 306 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 4: But I think he's grown from that experience of Georgia 307 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 4: and got you know, gone through the adversity of that 308 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 4: injury and come up better forward on the other side. 309 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, Aler looks like he started three two and 310 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 2: a half seasons. No, well, maybe maybe three when it 311 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 2: comes all total, and Beck is three full seasons. So 312 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 2: then we get to Fernando Mendoza and he's not your third, 313 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 2: he's not your fourth quarterback. Why don't you tell everybody 314 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 2: where you have Fernando Mendoza. 315 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 3: He's my QB seven? 316 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 2: And why is that? 317 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 4: Well, Fernando Mendoza to me, is just so incredibly limited 318 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 4: from an NFL perspective, you know, going back a few 319 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 4: minutes ago when I talked about, you know, putting on 320 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 4: the NFL colored glasses of watching him from an NFL perspective. 321 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 4: And I'm not trying to take anything away from what 322 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 4: Fernando Mendoza has accomplished in college or at Indiana, or 323 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 4: winning the Heisman or winning the National Championship Game, all 324 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 4: those things need to be recognized. 325 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 3: But it's a different thing. 326 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 4: Like we talked about going from you know, college football 327 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 4: to me to the NFL. We've seen so many of 328 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 4: these guys try to make this jump, and it just 329 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 4: has it worked out. When I look at Mendoza and 330 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 4: study him on film and I study every rep, basically 331 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 4: I see a guy who's very stiff, a guy who's 332 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 4: very mechanical, systematic, a linear thinking, six foot five, awkward 333 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 4: athlete who basically just stood there. 334 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:40,479 Speaker 3: He was covered up in camouflage. 335 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 4: I mean, it really helps to have a great football 336 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 4: team around you, right the number one team in the country, Indiana. 337 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 4: He just stood there in the pocket, basically clapping for 338 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 4: the snap and either handing the ball off to the 339 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 4: number thirteen ranked rushing attack in the country, or he 340 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 4: stood there, glued to his spot in the pocket like 341 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 4: a statue and threw an elementary routree that offered him 342 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 4: the absolute most throwing leverage of any of the passes. 343 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 4: A lot of passes to the outside screens, tunnel screens, 344 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 4: outside the numbers, back shoulder down the sideline, when he 345 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 4: can use the sideline as a friend, throw it deep, 346 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 4: get behind the defense. You know, throws where defenses really 347 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 4: can challenge. And he avoided throwing in the crowds like 348 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 4: the Plague. He avoid throwing inside the numbers like the 349 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 4: Plague a lot of times. And so that's what his 350 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 4: game kind of was to create and protect his completion percentage. 351 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 4: And here's the thing I don't feel from studying the 352 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 4: tape that I don't think he really has any feel 353 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 4: for front. 354 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 3: Or backside pressure whatsoever. 355 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 4: I think that was the whole thing to try to 356 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 4: camouflage in Indiana. 357 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 3: When he was sitting in. 358 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 4: The pocket, he would throw the ball so quickly and 359 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 4: get off his hands. Because when I watch when when 360 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 4: his first or second read I mean progression predetermined progressions 361 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 4: I believe weren't there for him. He starts to panic. 362 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 4: He starts a visibly panic it kind of move around 363 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 4: and kind of jump around, and he does three four 364 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 4: different things. He either you know, moves out a little 365 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 4: bit and tries to find a wide open receiver, he 366 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 4: throws the ball in the bounds, he gets. 367 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 3: Sacked, or he takes off running. 368 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 4: He ran the ball ninety times this season, So I 369 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 4: think that's something they tried to kind of limit from 370 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 4: being exposed. But I don't feel like he can feel 371 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 4: front or backside pressure. And I don't feel that Fernando 372 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 4: Mendoza can read coverage post snap. That's a big one 373 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 4: because I think everything he's doing there in Indiana, I 374 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 4: feel like he's basically it's predetermined. He knows where he's 375 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 4: going with the ball before the ball snapped. It was 376 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 4: very obvious to me. 377 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 3: Like he tried. 378 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 4: He tried to play it off like he was making 379 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 4: two reads, but the first read he really wasn't really 380 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 4: looking at it that much. He kind of just kind 381 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 4: of looked it off real quick and went right to 382 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 4: his second guy. So, you know, when I hear people 383 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 4: out there, you know, trying to push and pedal, you know, respectively. 384 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 4: Fernando Mendoza to the Raiders, it blows my mind as 385 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 4: an evaluator, because this is a Raiders team that's given 386 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 4: up the second most sacks in the National Football League 387 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 4: over the last two years, one hundred and fourteen sacks, 388 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 4: you know, per Statmus in sixty four snaps, actually leading 389 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 4: the NFL in sacks last year, you know, and you're 390 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 4: going to take a guy like Mendoza, you know. Obviously, 391 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 4: the analytics and metrics are a piece of this puzzle too, 392 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 4: but I mean looking at Pro Football Focus PFF. 393 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 3: Right, Pro Football Focus has him. 394 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 4: Ranked number two hundred and sixty second in the country 395 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 4: in terms of like time to throw under pressure. His 396 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 4: time to throw under pressure number is three point six 397 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 4: five seconds. 398 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 3: That is an internity in. 399 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 4: The National football we think Caleb Williams are slow throwing 400 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 4: the ball, Caleb Williams looks like he's lightning fast compared 401 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 4: to three point sixty five seconds. Right, And also PFF 402 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 4: he talked about his completion percentage dropping all the way 403 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 4: down to fifty one point two percent under pressure. ESPN 404 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 4: stated that Fernando Mendoza's completion percentage under pressure drops to 405 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 4: fifty three point two percent, so when he's forced to 406 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 4: move off his spot. And the scariest, most frightening, most 407 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 4: terrifying part of this evaluation to me is is that 408 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 4: this is against college competition, right, college level competition. The 409 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,479 Speaker 4: differences we talked about between the NFL and college football 410 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 4: are profound, and the NFL is a lot of faster game, 411 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 4: it's a lot more complex game, a lot of these 412 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 4: guys that he's thrown against and having these low completion 413 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 4: percentages when he's under pressure and moved off his spot. 414 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 4: They'll never sniff an NFL locker room. Now we're going now, 415 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 4: we're going to ratchet this thing up. Right now, We're 416 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 4: going to put him in the NFL and the worst team, 417 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 4: supposedly with a team that's given up all these sacks. 418 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 4: To me, is an absolute guaranteed recipe for disaster. And 419 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 4: I'll say this as plainly as I can. I mean, 420 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 4: I have a fourth round value right now in Mendoza 421 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 4: in terms of what his colleges college did the NFL 422 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 4: translation in terms of his game film. 423 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 3: But I'll say it. 424 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 4: I mean, if any team dares to draft Fernando Mendoza 425 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 4: in the first three rounds, not the first round, but 426 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 4: the first three rounds, this guy is an absolute guaranteed bust. 427 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 428 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 429 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to 430 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: listen live. 431 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 2: Wow, that's the harshest critique I've heard of Mendoza throughout 432 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 2: this process. So or is your guest, Daniel, And again, 433 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,719 Speaker 2: you spent time in the NFL as a scout. Is 434 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 2: your guess that the Raiders will take him or pass. 435 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 3: No pass. 436 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 2: That's interesting because I've heard, I mean I've heard zero. 437 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 2: The odds of Mendoza going first are astronomical. It's like 438 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 2: minus two thousand or whatever. And I'm not even most 439 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 2: of these mock drafts don't have another quarterback in the 440 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 2: first Some people will have Ty Simpson. Nobody has Becker Aller. 441 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 2: So you're saying the Raiders who don't have a quarterback 442 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 2: may pass on Mendoza and draft someone else later. Is 443 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 2: that your guests that or I like. 444 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 3: I like the odds of Matt Jones. 445 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 4: I find that to be a very interesting connection because 446 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,479 Speaker 4: Tom Brady's connected. You know, they share Bill Belichick as 447 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,679 Speaker 4: that common denominator. If they could get, you know, trade 448 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 4: for him from the forty nine ers. Another name to 449 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 4: look for is Spencer Rattler because Clint Kubiak, of course, 450 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,360 Speaker 4: was the offensive coordinator when Ratler was was drafted down 451 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 4: in New Orleans. I think they're gonna go a different direction. 452 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 4: I just don't see. I mean, I was in the 453 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 4: building with Bill Belichick when he was a defensive coordinator. 454 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 3: I mean my mentor was is spent you know, one 455 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 3: Super Bowl rings with the Patriots. 456 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 4: He was there when Tom Brady was drafted, and he 457 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 4: called me and talked to me about you know what 458 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 4: it was like when you know Brady was a rookie 459 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 4: and all this kind of stuff. 460 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 3: And just knowing what I know of Tom Brady. 461 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 4: If he if he's is involved as people say he 462 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 4: may be, I don't realistically see any way possible Tom 463 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 4: Brady can look at Fernando Mendoza and and say, yeah, 464 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,959 Speaker 4: that's a good translation. What I'm watching on film here 465 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 4: is good translate well to the NFL. I'd be shocked, 466 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 4: just like everybody last year, everybody tried to pass off 467 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 4: this thing where you know Tom Brady, you know he 468 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 4: trained Shador Sanders, and you know, watch for the Raiders 469 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 4: to take Shador. 470 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 3: I mean I was, I was totally against. 471 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 4: I mean I had an undraftable free agent great on 472 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 4: Shador Sanders and I never saw it. I couldn't even 473 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 4: imagine the Raiders drafting Shador Sanders last year with his 474 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 4: limitations he showed on film m Colorado. So I would 475 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 4: be just really surprised if the Raiders took Mendoz at one. 476 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 2: So now certainly there's people listening. Daniel who are like, Oh, 477 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 2: this guy's just trolling. Come on, J Mack. He's just 478 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 2: saying this to get attention. We know there's fifty thousand 479 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 2: mock drafts online. Nobody has Mendoza's fourth round. He's just 480 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 2: trying to cut through. And you don't have to respond. 481 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 2: But I'm just curious if somebody were to say that 482 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 2: to you, what's your response. 483 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean everybody says the same thing. 484 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 4: If you've seen one mock draft and you see them 485 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,959 Speaker 4: all basically for the most part out there. I mean 486 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 4: everybody it's Simon says, it's singing with the choir. I mean, 487 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 4: and that's why when I when I put my evaluations up, 488 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not just you know, I'm not just 489 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 4: doing this for hot takes. I mean, if you go, 490 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 4: you know, look at these reports on my site and stuff. 491 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 3: I mean I'm offering. 492 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm I have the only draft publication online 493 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 4: in America that that not only lists all the games 494 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 4: I've watched and studied, but also I provide the links. 495 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 3: That's the kind of level. I mean. 496 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 4: I provide the most grading transparency and accountability in the country. 497 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 4: I also offer you know, all the evidence behind the 498 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 4: things I talk about. I tie analytics and numbers to 499 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 4: you know, like the things I've shared about Mendeau's along 500 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 4: the way to substantiate this and point this out, and 501 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 4: and so all the I'm basically I play with my 502 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 4: cards face up. So I'm not doing this for attention. 503 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 4: I'm not doing this for a hot take. Actually, what 504 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 4: I'm doing this for, too is part of the reason 505 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 4: is to try to give these guys their very best 506 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 4: chance to succeed in the NFL. I know people say, oh, 507 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 4: it's hating, you know, I hater. Actually it's not hating. 508 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 4: I care more about these prom and I can even 509 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 4: even articulate because to me, the worst possible thing that 510 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 4: can happen to these prospects is to overhype them, overvalue them, 511 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 4: overdraft them, set the expectations in the bar so high 512 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 4: they can never possibly reach it. You know, I keep 513 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 4: hearing these comps. I mean, look at the comps are 514 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 4: throwing out with Mendoza. 515 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 3: Joe Burrow and Cam woar At Goff. 516 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 4: Jared Goff, all these different people. I mean, he doesn't 517 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 4: even take a snap. This is a guy who took 518 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 4: three percent of his snaps under center. He's been in 519 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 4: shocked in his whole career. He doesn't even know what 520 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 4: he's doing yet, he's never even seen an NFL defense. 521 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 2: Oh wait a minute, hold on now, Jared Goff, if 522 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 2: memory serves at cal, I think the number was zero. 523 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 2: That's how many Stampsy took under center. I know he 524 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 2: struggled out of the gate, but then he ended up 525 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 2: being a really, really good player. I think he got 526 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 2: to a Super Bowl to Rams, right. I mean, he's 527 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 2: not no MVP, but you know he's going to probably 528 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 2: end his career with some astronomical numbers, not quite Philip 529 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 2: Rivers numbers, but like, I don't know that I would 530 00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 2: call it Jared Goff a bust, you know. 531 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 4: No, no, not at all. But that's just one piece 532 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 4: of the puzzle. I'm just throwing out that three percent 533 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 4: under centers one piece of the puzzle. But to respond 534 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 4: to all the people to say this is just so 535 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 4: much different, Well, yeah, I watch every snap, so I 536 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 4: don't know who else there is watching that may snap. 537 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 4: So my perspective, of course, is going to be different 538 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 4: than what everybody else's is based on the evidence not presenting. 539 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 2: So you have Clemson's kid club Nick as a third 540 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 2: round value grade. Was he the one or was it Nussmeyer? 541 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 2: One of them had this small hands that every quarterback's 542 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 2: afraid of. I don't remember which it was, But I 543 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,479 Speaker 2: like Clubnick. He wasn't great this past season. Miner was terrible. 544 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 2: But it seems like you're high on Clubnick. 545 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 3: I am, and it's. 546 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 4: Very surprising to me because I didn't like him at 547 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 4: all in his twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four film. 548 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 3: I mean, I thought it was terrible as NFL projection. 549 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 4: So I was actually more shocked than probably anybody you 550 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 4: know that I actually moved him up to a third 551 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 4: round grade and put him as my QB three. 552 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 3: But you know, the game film changed my. 553 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,239 Speaker 4: I mean, what Club Nick did this past season was that, 554 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 4: you know, in twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four, 555 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 4: I compared him to a loose cannon. The passes were 556 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 4: all over the place, the ball placement was was was, 557 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 4: you know, very inconsistent, below average. 558 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 3: But he really, you know, the first couple of games 559 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 3: was still the same kind of way, but then he 560 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 3: really settled down and he brought his game under control 561 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 3: more than I'd ever seen. 562 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 4: And the thing about Clubnick is he has a lot 563 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 4: of experience. He's been around the game for a while. 564 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 4: He's played, you know, quite a bit there at Clemson. 565 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 4: And not only that, but he's somebody that's very tough 566 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 4: in somebody who's ultra competitive. So I can see a 567 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 4: guy like club Nick coming into an NFL team and 568 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 4: a backup role to begin with. And he has a 569 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 4: nice preseason because coverages, you know, it's vanilla pass coverage, 570 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera in the preseason. But then as 571 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,959 Speaker 4: time goes on, I think just his competitive nature and 572 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,120 Speaker 4: his ability, his experience is going to put him into 573 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 4: a backup role and from there all bets are off. 574 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 4: And I think at some point we're gonna see Kate 575 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 4: club Nick as a starter in the National Football League. 576 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 2: Wow, it's a starter. Oh my gosh, listn't I'll say this, Daniel. 577 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 2: You definitely make me think here. Some of this stuff 578 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 2: is fascinating. I'm just curious, what do you make of 579 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:19,199 Speaker 2: the soft skills? Mendoza has the LinkedIn the interviews, just 580 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 2: his story, his genius. I mean, the guys graduated from 581 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 2: two business schools already, two good ones, you know, the 582 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 2: one at Callen and Indiana I mean, his story is fascinating. 583 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 2: It almost sounds like maybe you think America is getting 584 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 2: wrapped up in the story and missing the little things 585 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 2: that matter when it comes to quarterback. 586 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,919 Speaker 3: I think they are. And I say that as respectively 587 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 3: as I possibly can. 588 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,719 Speaker 4: I think what we're seeing here is kind of a 589 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,439 Speaker 4: repeat of what happened with JJ McCarthy when Michigan won 590 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 4: the National Championship Game. I think people are having just 591 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 4: either be on a choice or not seeing or whatever 592 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 4: the reason he may be. I just have a tough 593 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 4: time separating Fernando Mendoz does an NFL prospect from Indiana 594 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,199 Speaker 4: being the number one team in the country, and to 595 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 4: your point, the things you're talking about, you know, leadership 596 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 4: and in the LinkedIn and all these things and and 597 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 4: all these you know, there's a reason why I have 598 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 4: him as a fourth round grade. I don't have a 599 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 4: was an undraftable guy. It's not like I just crushed him. 600 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 4: And there's still some positives. I mean, he's a tough, 601 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 4: competitive guy, he loves the game, he plays hard, he 602 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 4: has a strong arm. You know, there's some things there 603 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 4: are to you know, to me, a fourth round pick 604 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 4: is is a you know, a low ceiling developmental guy 605 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 4: that's worth bringing in. So I feel like there is 606 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,360 Speaker 4: some some things to work with. They're just very limited 607 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 4: things to work with when it comes to the NFL game. 608 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 2: So, Dada, let's wrap up. Why don't you tell the 609 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 2: audience some of your biggest hits and misses, just like 610 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 2: a few, just so they can provide some context. I 611 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 2: think you said last year Shador was undrafted, and remember 612 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 2: at the time he was being saw one hundred percent 613 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 2: first round and he drops the fifth and you know, 614 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 2: given his his rookie ar I know he's a quote 615 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 2: unquote pro bowler, but I think, yeah, I think you 616 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 2: were accurate on that. I remember you nailed Zach Wilson. 617 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 2: You tried to give out the warning signs. Now it 618 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 2: could some of this. I can't give you full credit 619 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 2: because it's the Browns and the Jets, two teams don't 620 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 2: know how to do Jack squad when it comes to quarterbacks. 621 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 2: But gave the audience some of your other hits and 622 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 2: misses in recent years. 623 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 624 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 4: Twenty twenty one, also Trey Lance, I had him ranked 625 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 4: as an undraftable free agent. I never understood that one 626 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 4: twenty twenty two, I had a fifth round grade on 627 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 4: Kenny Pickett coming out of pit. In twenty twenty three, 628 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 4: I had a fifth round grade and labeled Anthony Richardson 629 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 4: pre draft as a high injury risk and as a 630 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 4: bust before the Cold selected him. Also, I had will 631 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 4: Levis that year ranked as a seventh round grade pre draft. 632 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 4: Of course he wins. It was number thirty three overall, 633 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 4: second round to the TEA. 634 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 2: He's still in the league. I got to I don't 635 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 2: even know. 636 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 3: Well he is for now. 637 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 4: He was hurt last year, so he's kind of hanging 638 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 4: on the tie and roster. 639 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 3: Twenty twenty four, of course. 640 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 4: I had Caleb Williams as a fourth round grade and 641 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 4: to me, I mean, my closing words in my sculty 642 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 4: report was, you know, he's an elite athlete, but he's 643 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 4: nothing really special as a passer. And I think we're 644 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 4: seeing that play out. I know people want to fight 645 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 4: me and argue me on the Caleb Williams thing, But 646 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 4: Caleb Williams accuracy the two things I look at there. 647 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 4: His accuracy is continuing to decline. He went from sixty 648 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 4: two point five percent and twenty twenty four dropped down 649 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 4: under Ben Jonson. The fifty eight point one percent ur 650 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 4: in the regular season this year, of course, in the 651 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 4: playoffs fell all the way off to fifty two point 652 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 4: two percent. 653 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 3: And in his time to. 654 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 4: Throw his process this has always been a problem for Caleb, 655 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 4: but you know, ever since he. 656 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 3: Was usc his process is so slow. 657 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 4: He holds the ball, he runs around, he wants to 658 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 4: play hero ball. Twenty twenty four pff three points zero 659 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 4: three seconds, twenty twenty five three point two three seconds. 660 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 3: So it's time to throw. Got slower too. But that 661 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 3: was another one in twenty twenty four. J A. J. 662 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 3: McCarthy in twenty twenty four was another one. 663 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 4: I had a fifth rong grade on JJ McCarthy coming 664 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 4: out of Michigan. I never understood that he was one 665 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 4: of the least explosive quarterbacks I've ever evaluated when I 666 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 4: looked at his Michigan film, and it's kiny interesting because 667 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 4: now they think, you know, maybe he's worth a fifth 668 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 4: round pick right now as a trade. 669 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 3: That's what I had on him coming out right and 670 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 3: then and. 671 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 4: Then of course twenty twenty five, I had a third 672 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 4: round grade pre draft grade on Jackson Dart. I said 673 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 4: in my pre draft evaluation that he did a below 674 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 4: average job protecting his body as a runner, and of 675 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 4: course we've all seen the concussions, right, all he wants 676 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 4: to do is run into people. So and then also 677 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 4: we talked about Shadora Sanders. I had undraftable free agent 678 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 4: grade on him in terms of hits. 679 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, what about the missus? 680 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 3: The misses? 681 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 4: The ones that haunt me the most, I think are 682 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 4: a couple quarterbacks. Carson Strong. I had a first round 683 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 4: grade on him. Carson Strong from Nevada, the. 684 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 2: Carsons from l Like, who, yeah, I remember that guy? Yeah, yeah, 685 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 2: he went to the Raiders maybe yeah. 686 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 4: Well, the thing about him is it haunts me to 687 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 4: this day because he had a much worse knee condition 688 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 4: than I ever knew about. 689 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,719 Speaker 3: No excuses, I take full accountability. 690 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 4: For the grade, but uh, you know he had he 691 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 4: had a real knee problem coming into the league, and of. 692 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 3: Course ats cost him. Uh another one I missed on. 693 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 4: It looks like at this point, of course he's playing 694 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 4: some I think he's playing a never knowther league right now. 695 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 4: Is Matt Corral I had Matt Corrall's our first round 696 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 4: grade all mess yeat and then of course, right after 697 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 4: the draft comes out, the articles in the Intel that 698 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 4: you know, he was publicly dealing with some demons and 699 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 4: some alcohol and some things like that, and and so 700 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 4: those those are probably the two ones, you know, the 701 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 4: two that really, uh, you know, haunt me the most 702 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 4: in terms of misses. 703 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, it does feel like quarterback is the toughest position 704 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 2: in sports to to kind of nail. It's easy to say, well, 705 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 2: that guy's not going to be that good. But who's 706 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 2: going to be good? Nobody had Brady being great in 707 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 2: the sixth round, nobody, I don't care what anybody said. 708 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 2: Nobody had that. Who was the other one that I 709 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 2: don't think anybody had Patrick Mahomes being a Hall of 710 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 2: Famer going tenth overall. You know, people could say whatever 711 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 2: they want. Nobody had him going Hall of Fame. 712 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 3: Remember that. 713 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 2: Josh Rose in like, it's really tough, man. But when 714 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 2: the Cardinals got Kyler Murray, I like Kyler Murray. You know, 715 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 2: he was good and then he wasn't. And now he 716 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 2: as we're recording this, he just got released by Arizona 717 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 2: and put out a statement, I am curious. What do 718 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 2: you think the Vikings do in Minnesota with this McCarthy situation? 719 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 2: Rogers they go Kyler Tua, Anthony Richardson, I don't know 720 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 2: a lot of guys names it out there, well, well 721 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 2: they do. 722 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 3: Or what I want to see him doth Well, what I. 723 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,719 Speaker 4: Think that you know, what I want to see him 724 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 4: do is is trade for Spencer Ratler. I mean Spencer 725 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 4: Ratler to me, I mean that was my QB one 726 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 4: in the twenty twenty four NFL draft and Spencer Ratler 727 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 4: this last I think he's taught right now in a 728 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 4: in a tough situation in New Orleans, he basically put 729 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 4: up the top. He was in the top ten completion 730 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 4: percentage this year at sixty seven point seven percent, which 731 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 4: was which which is you know, noticeable increase for him 732 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 4: from the season before. Also, he has the fifth fastest 733 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 4: time to throw in the NFL per Next Gen Stats. 734 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 4: I think Spencer Ratler goes up there. I think Spencer 735 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,319 Speaker 4: Ratler can actually, during his time in Minnesota, can lead 736 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 4: them to their first Super Bowl victory that they've ever 737 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:16,800 Speaker 4: had in their first Super Bowl trophy. 738 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 3: So I would love to see Rattler up there. 739 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,879 Speaker 4: I think him and the synergy between him and Kevin 740 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 4: O'Connell will be pretty pretty good. Just like you know, 741 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 4: like like I said, you know, prior to the season, 742 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,319 Speaker 4: when Sam Donald was up there, I said, you know, 743 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 4: I put it on Twitter that I picked Minnesota's my 744 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 4: you know NFC Surprise Team of the Year that year 745 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 4: when Sam Donald was up there, because I love the 746 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 4: idea of the synergy between Donald and O'Connell. You know, 747 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 4: so I see the same kind of you know, makeup 748 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 4: between between the coach and the quarterback with Rattler, What 749 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 4: do I think they're going to do? What It's a league, obviously, 750 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 4: there's a lot of familiarity relationships. You know, we stick 751 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 4: with guys from our coaching trees, that type of thing. 752 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 3: So it went surprised me to. 753 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,800 Speaker 4: See Minnesota bring in somebody like a Jimmy Garoppolo, uh 754 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 4: from from the Rams. So of course it's you know, 755 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 4: on mcveigh's team and stuff. He's he's a veteran that 756 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 4: could come in there, depending what they do with McCarthy, 757 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,879 Speaker 4: you know, But I don't know how far they're gonna 758 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 4: let Minnesota, you know, let Kevin O'Connell go with this 759 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 4: after J. J. 760 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 3: McCarthy didn't work out. 761 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 4: My you know, I've been taught in the NFL is 762 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 4: once once the regime, you know, drafts a guy and 763 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 4: it doesn't work out, they give him a shorter leash 764 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 4: the next time around, and they're not gonna let them 765 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,879 Speaker 4: go out and make a huge splash until they earn 766 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 4: it again. So I think that that, you know, I 767 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 4: think what's gonna happening is Minnesota is going to have 768 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 4: to bring in, you know, somebody who's who's not a 769 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 4: huge name, and somebody Kevin O'Connell is gonna have to 770 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 4: have to win with. 771 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 2: Uh. 772 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 4: You know, there's talk out there about these guys like 773 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 4: you know, because everybody saw the you know, the hug 774 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 4: and the exchange between Anthony Richardson and Kevin O'Connell. You know, 775 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 4: to me, that would be an absolute disaster me and 776 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 4: I mean Richard Richardson's I mean, he's got he's barely 777 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 4: complete half his passes at any level of organized football, 778 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 4: high school, college or the NFL, and he's made out 779 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 4: of glass. 780 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 3: I think that'd be a terrible decision. Uh So, I. 781 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 4: Mean, but but but you know it's it's I I 782 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 4: can see something like that. I know that Kevin O'Connell 783 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 4: at the end of the day. I mean this, I 784 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 4: mean he's basically coaching for his job this year, you know, 785 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 4: yeah or not? It yeah, it does and he and 786 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:15,959 Speaker 4: he's a really good I'll say that on the record, 787 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 4: he's a really good coach. I really like Kevin O'Connell, 788 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 4: but it just feels like that's the situation they're in. 789 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 4: So whoever they bring in I feel is gonna be 790 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 4: someone he signs off on and has going given us 791 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 4: some of the best chance to win. 792 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,759 Speaker 3: Whether or not they keep McCarthy around long enough to 793 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 3: compete for that, I don't know. 794 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 4: I don't see any way possible how they could run 795 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 4: it back with him. And in the back of my mind, 796 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 4: I always think that JJ McCarthy's gonna get traded to 797 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,800 Speaker 4: the Charges and reunite with Jim Hardbock. 798 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and he can just be back. 799 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 4: That's just being the backup the end they get rid 800 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,319 Speaker 4: of Trey Lance and bringing you know, McCarthy, and he'd 801 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,400 Speaker 4: be the number two behind Justin Herbert. 802 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:53,279 Speaker 2: Interesting all right? Uh. Daniel Kelly, former NFL scout. You 803 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 2: can find his website called first round mock dot com. 804 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 2: Isn't the best. That's the best one, right it is. 805 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 3: That's what I do all my work all right. 806 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,319 Speaker 2: Man, listen, you love a grenades. You're gonna catch some 807 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 2: heat once we post this, but I'm sure you like it. 808 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:08,799 Speaker 2: You embrace it. This is what you do. 809 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 4: So thanks a lot, Daniel, Sweet just about getting these 810 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 4: guys at fair valuation. 811 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:14,839 Speaker 3: Thank you Jason, Thank you everybody for listening, and enjoy 812 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:15,280 Speaker 3: the draft.