Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Hello, Call It Crew, and welcome to another
Speaker 1: episode of Call It what It Is. And yes, you
Speaker 1: are correct. I did the hello, hello, hello, which I
Speaker 1: really probably shouldn't have because it is Jessica Capshaw's signature
Speaker 1: intro to this podcast. But she can't be with us today.
Speaker 1: Usually our schedules time out super perfect with each other
Speaker 1: and we get to make sure that we get to
Speaker 1: make this podcast for you guys. But this week is
Speaker 1: a huge episode for Joe Wilson on Gray's Anatomy. I
Speaker 1: can't say what it is, but I'm filming every single
Speaker 1: day except today, and she happened to be working today,
Speaker 1: so it felt like, yes, my work wife can't be
Speaker 1: here today, is it time to bring my side piece?
Speaker 1: And I felt like yes it was, And who is
Speaker 1: that side piece? That's Matthew Allen, my husband. So Matthew Allan,
Speaker 1: welcome to the pod.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: How are you feeling about this because we did we've
Speaker 1: talked about this. First off, I have to say that
Speaker 1: I when I found outjess couldn't do it, I went
Speaker 1: into the kitchen yes, and I just I didn't even ask.
Speaker 1: I just said to you, you're doing the podcast on Wednesday.
Speaker 2: I was talking to my mom at the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and I said, you're just you're doing it, goodbye,
Speaker 1: And then Jessica thought maybe she could do it. So
Speaker 1: I came in later and I said, you're fired. You're
Speaker 1: not doing it right.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was looking forward to it, but very intimidated
Speaker 2: the moment.
Speaker 1: You tell yeah yeah, yeah. So I said, don't worry,
Speaker 1: you're not needed, goodbye, And then we realized that Jessica
Speaker 1: really couldn't do it. So you are here today.
Speaker 2: I'm here to support. I'm here to fill some very
Speaker 2: big shoes, some big heels, some giant heels. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: I'm excited to be here.
Speaker 1: You're nervous, though, I am.
Speaker 2: I've been nervous all morning, to be honest. Yeah. You
Speaker 2: guys make it looks, you know, so so seamless, and
Speaker 2: you do yeah, and like a well oiled machine. So
Speaker 2: I don't want to step on anyone's toes and.
Speaker 1: Like, no, no, you're already the.
Speaker 2: Virus the ship off up track, which I tend to do.
Speaker 2: I hope I can offer some unfiltered advice, male advice.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's why you're here.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, of course.
Speaker 1: Now I think we have to back it up a
Speaker 1: little bit because I let's talk about the promo that
Speaker 1: I sent out talking about you.
Speaker 2: One said get in the car.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, So here's what happened to talk about.
Speaker 1: iHeart was like, well, let's promote Matt and Camilla coming
Speaker 1: on the show together. And I was like, great, love it. Kyle,
Speaker 1: our social media guru, put together this little thing and
Speaker 1: this picture of me getting to the car and you
Speaker 1: behind me in the car. It was all thank you
Speaker 1: to me, and and he's I said, well, let's make
Speaker 1: something cute and funny, and I said, let's do that
Speaker 1: mean girls quote get in the car, loser we're going shopping,
Speaker 1: but like make it, get in the car, lows we're
Speaker 1: going potting. And then like that's that like funny, play
Speaker 1: on it and everyone will know that. Senate to Matt
Speaker 1: text it because he was downstairs. I was upstairs, couldn't
Speaker 1: be ballwed to walk downstairs. I said, oh my god,
Speaker 1: look at this. It's so cute. Zero response from you
Speaker 1: on it.
Speaker 2: Did any respond No, you didn't any response. I didn't
Speaker 2: do like a a haha, No, not even a haha.
Speaker 1: That was nothing. It was like radio science. So I
Speaker 1: was like whatever. Obviously he loves it. He thinks it's incredible.
Speaker 1: And then Jessica text me in the morning and she said,
Speaker 1: did you reprove this right?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: And so I was like, what is she?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Why is she asking if I approved it? And then
Speaker 1: I realized maybe not everyone knows that quote and thinks
Speaker 1: I'm actually just calling you a loser, right right? And
Speaker 1: so I text jess I said, do you know this
Speaker 1: mean girl's quote? She was like, definitely not. I thought
Speaker 1: you allegit calling him a loser. So then I went
Speaker 1: up to you and I said, did you have any
Speaker 1: idea this was from a movie? And you said.
Speaker 2: Nope, nope. I just thought you were calling me a loser.
Speaker 2: And I was totally down to you know.
Speaker 1: This is what I don't understand. You really thought that
Speaker 1: I was calling you a loser. Like if you had
Speaker 1: said that to me, I would even like, get upstairs
Speaker 1: right now, we need to have a conversation.
Speaker 2: What I thought it was. You know, it was supposed
Speaker 2: to be, you know, in good humor, and I was
Speaker 2: along for the ride. But I mean, that's supportive husband, right.
Speaker 2: It was very supportive, even though I didn't get the joke.
Speaker 2: So supportive but now that I get.
Speaker 1: The joke of it, Okay. So so then I said
Speaker 1: to you, you know you're going to come today, and
Speaker 1: I said, we're going to do this really cool podcast.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about relationships and dating and like maybe
Speaker 1: even sex and maybe we'll just get into all this stuff.
Speaker 1: And then what was your first question that you had
Speaker 1: right after I said that?
Speaker 2: Honestly, yeah, I asked if the chair that I'm going
Speaker 2: to be sitting in there will support my back. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was an honest question because it was I know,
Speaker 2: this is a long period of time, and I, yeah,
Speaker 2: when I commit to something, I got to think of, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, my back hurts all the time, I'm
Speaker 2: tired all the time. He's a complaints You hear me
Speaker 2: complain about all the time. So I just wanted to
Speaker 2: make sure that it was going to be a miserable
Speaker 2: experience for you, as.
Speaker 1: Well as as you and the listeners.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't need to hear me grunting and groaning
Speaker 2: every time I readjust myself.
Speaker 1: This is true. But I was trying to set up
Speaker 1: this like kind of sexy mood, right, and then you
Speaker 1: killed it by saying, is my background hurt.
Speaker 2: When I'm sitting I just immediately got a little nervous
Speaker 2: where my mind went.
Speaker 1: I think that we need to tell the story because
Speaker 1: it's a perfect example of maybe a time you should
Speaker 1: have listened to me, Okay, how your back ended up
Speaker 1: being in the disaster that it is.
Speaker 2: Now, of all the things they don't want to hear about.
Speaker 1: This, they're going to hear about it.
Speaker 2: Yes, you saw you saw it coming. Long story short,
Speaker 2: I did one of those Spartan obstacle course basically American,
Speaker 2: and I had injured my back, you know, a few
Speaker 2: days prior. But I was like, I can push through.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, hang on, I feel like you're already telling
Speaker 1: a little bit of a lie. Oh, here we go,
Speaker 1: because the truth is that did you train really hard?
Speaker 2: Oh? I forgot that I didn't train that. Okay, I
Speaker 2: didn't train the way that I should have, but I
Speaker 2: really thought that I could handle it. I thought I
Speaker 2: could wing it. I had done one before, but I
Speaker 2: trained a lot for it, so this one I was like,
Speaker 2: let's just do it. It was supposed to be a
Speaker 2: motivation for me to you know, get back into shape.
Speaker 1: And so you and I saw that you were in
Speaker 1: like a wing. It kind of mood with it, and
Speaker 1: I said to you, I see you winging it happening,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna really this is going to be disaster,
Speaker 1: going to hurt yourself, and you're like, don't worry baby.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then on the second obstacle, I threw it out
Speaker 2: again completely, like real bad. Yeah, but I still pushed through.
Speaker 2: I know, I pushed through all the right of the
Speaker 2: end and damage did even more than I. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: was terrible at the beginning. So but I finished the race.
Speaker 1: You finished the race, and then you came home and
Speaker 1: you basically couldn't move and you were probably the only
Speaker 1: person that's given yourself scoliosis.
Speaker 2: Basically by the time I got home from the race, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was a two hour drive from San Diego. I
Speaker 2: couldn't move. I had to be wheeled out of the car,
Speaker 2: and yeah, I was flat on my back for recast.
Speaker 1: So this is the the back has been part is
Speaker 1: kind of the third wheel in our relationship.
Speaker 2: It has been the giant elephant that's always in the room. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I mean it was a legit question when the
Speaker 1: chairs would be comfortable today.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that was the first thing I thought of
Speaker 2: just because I wanted to, you know, make it good
Speaker 2: for you. It had nothing to do with it.
Speaker 1: And you're feeling I'm good.
Speaker 2: I'm good.
Speaker 1: I think we can I think we can set the
Speaker 1: mood with this. I think that we can break the
Speaker 1: ice also with just asking each other a couple icebreaker questions.
Speaker 2: Okay, a simple one. Okay, okay, we just saw this recently.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is it.
Speaker 2: In the substance? Would you take the substance if given
Speaker 2: the chance.
Speaker 1: I've given the chance. I think that you For those
Speaker 1: who don't know, this is a movie about somebody Denimore
Speaker 1: taking the substance and basically a younger version of herself
Speaker 1: ends up living, coming out of her body, literally out
Speaker 1: of her back and living, and they have to they.
Speaker 2: If they came out of my bag, I'd be done.
Speaker 1: First off, you don't have a back for it to
Speaker 1: come out of, so that you're out of there's no
Speaker 1: option for you. You wouldn't get offered it for me. Okay,
Speaker 1: I gotta say, I don't understand the why you would
Speaker 1: take it because you don't get to experience the younger you.
Speaker 1: You're just off for a week. Although I do love
Speaker 1: a nap, so it's like I know.
Speaker 2: Wait, hang on, now, I'm thanking you wake up well
Speaker 2: rested after this.
Speaker 1: Maybe you do because you've had a whole week off
Speaker 1: with the kids. Do I need a young Well, let me.
Speaker 2: Ask you factoring kids into this, well you that's me.
Speaker 1: I'm taking the substance. It's like, I have a week
Speaker 1: off from like lunches and shit. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Bonus, that's not kind of nice.
Speaker 1: Wait, I have a question for you back then. Hang on,
Speaker 1: this isn't one of my two questions, but would you
Speaker 1: want younger Camilla for a week every other week? To
Speaker 1: be honest, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, I'm gonna be honest. Younger Camilla is not making
Speaker 2: the sandwiches, so she's not taking a break from those.
Speaker 1: Old Camilla is also not making the sandwiches Younger.
Speaker 2: Camilla making she's not either.
Speaker 1: She's doing what she's doing. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: She's okay, she's just being amazing out in the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would be down to see what you Camilla is.
Speaker 1: The truth is a wow. I don't know how I
Speaker 1: feel about that. Okay, let me ask you a question.
Speaker 1: What is the most annoying thing about me?
Speaker 2: On the spot? So it's going to cause an argument.
Speaker 2: Am I, Oh, yeah, you're a shotgun driver. What's a
Speaker 2: shotgun when I'm driving you trying to drive from the
Speaker 2: side from the shotgun spot?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does. No, We do argue over that. If
Speaker 1: they did have another steering wheel for me, I would
Speaker 1: appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Ye, Like literally, driving with the kids is one thing,
Speaker 2: but with the kids and you and I'm the one driving.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I have to say that you drive like
Speaker 1: a ninety year old who should not be on the
Speaker 1: road and who has all the time in the world.
Speaker 1: It is the most annoying version of driving.
Speaker 2: I drive slow, but I feel like it's always a
Speaker 2: safety thing, like I'm always aware of everybody. I'm protecting
Speaker 2: my family.
Speaker 1: I get that. But we don't. We usually get there
Speaker 1: to the destination like the next day, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, Yeah, we don't.
Speaker 2: It could be a heavy medium. But when I'm driving
Speaker 2: and you're trying to drive, that's probably I'm getting worked
Speaker 2: up just talking about it.
Speaker 1: Don't worry about it. I honestly think that I listen.
Speaker 1: I think I am another set of eyes on the
Speaker 1: road helping.
Speaker 2: That's what we're calling that. Sure, Yeah, yeah, that's what what.
Speaker 1: I don't know if yours work that, Well.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go ahead and ask the same question back, what's.
Speaker 1: The most annoying thing about you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna bring up the back again.
Speaker 1: No, I'm not going to bring up the back. There's
Speaker 1: not going to be another thing. Don't worry the most
Speaker 1: annoying Oh my god, you do. Matt is a dropper.
Speaker 1: You're a dropper. You drop things that like, you don't
Speaker 1: even you can't even believe that someone would drop like
Speaker 1: you're I find.
Speaker 2: Ways to drop things that it's impossible. How I drop that?
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, it's almost it's almost supernatural.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so it's a talent.
Speaker 1: Well, it's like a power that no one would want.
Speaker 2: Okay, do you want to tell them the carpet story?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because this is oh my god, this is turning
Speaker 1: into the biggest marriage pod right now. We just had
Speaker 1: a new carpet.
Speaker 2: Installed on our stairs, the only carpet.
Speaker 1: That we've ever Okay, so Matt and I have never
Speaker 1: like when we've moved into a home, we've never like
Speaker 1: really invested in, Like, let's put wallpaper on the walls,
Speaker 1: Let's change the carpet, Let's do this and that this
Speaker 1: is the first home that we've really like deep dived into.
Speaker 2: You've taken a lot of care, taking a lot of care.
Speaker 1: Yes, And so we like we did the carpet on
Speaker 1: the stairs, and it was we were like really admiring it,
Speaker 1: like you know, we're having those annoying marriage conversations of like, god,
Speaker 1: it's just like so soft on my feet.
Speaker 2: Yes, all those Okay, it just looks so nice every time.
Speaker 2: I love it from this angle. I love it from
Speaker 2: this angle.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was carrying a hot, perfectly made cup of coffee
Speaker 2: up the stairs. Yeah, and I tripped and spilt it.
Speaker 1: All over about four.
Speaker 2: Steps, two steps and the front of the next one.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Well what was interesting to me is like,
Speaker 1: you know, like a regular sized coffee cup. Yeah, somehow
Speaker 1: you were able to like get two leaders of coffee.
Speaker 2: It was like an entire two leaders had been poured
Speaker 2: strategically on the carpet. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And just the image of you falling. You weren't
Speaker 1: even falling down, falling up the side.
Speaker 2: I fell up and I tripped and I did one
Speaker 2: of those like kind of fall under your knee and
Speaker 2: then kind of sit into it. Yeah, you sat and
Speaker 2: it all happened so fast. Yeah, I was all by myself,
Speaker 2: and the disappointment I had when I spilled that coffee
Speaker 2: and that carpet.
Speaker 1: I mean we could have gotten divorced over just that.
Speaker 2: To be honest, I told the guy when he came
Speaker 2: to fix it, please do this fast. We're on the brink.
Speaker 1: Yeah. In fact, you were so upset over it that
Speaker 1: we can't we should disclose that you put a towel
Speaker 1: over the force. I couldn't look at it for three days,
Speaker 1: and you're like, I can't even look at it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you were like, don't look like.
Speaker 2: Almost string to bother you. After a couple of days,
Speaker 2: you're being really cool at the beginning, and then the
Speaker 2: next day it was like this is kind of boring
Speaker 2: me a little bit. And then the next day it
Speaker 2: was like this is really bothered me. And then by
Speaker 2: day three you were so I was like you were
Speaker 2: dead to me. Yeah. I couldn't even Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the first day I was being cool about it.
Speaker 1: You put this towel there and it was like we
Speaker 1: were covering like blood from a dead body, and you're like,
Speaker 1: don't look at it. It's too much.
Speaker 2: You can't change.
Speaker 1: And then so I did peak, and I'm like, it's
Speaker 1: all good. And then by day three I was like,
Speaker 1: you need to go see a doctor or something is
Speaker 1: wrong with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear about the drops. Ever since, I'm so
Speaker 2: glad we spent so much time on my mind.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, it's you asked the question. The other
Speaker 1: thing that does annoy me is you're sneezing. It's really
Speaker 1: I feel like it's a little intention seeking. Okay, because okay,
Speaker 1: let's call it what it is. Do you ever seeze
Speaker 1: just one single time?
Speaker 2: I can't. I can't just sneeze one time. My body
Speaker 2: does not allow me to do that.
Speaker 1: It's twelve sneeze is in a row.
Speaker 2: It's not well. But I do sneeze more than the
Speaker 2: average person.
Speaker 1: Yes, And it's like literally getting mad at.
Speaker 2: Me when I when I if I crossed the three
Speaker 2: sneeze threshold.
Speaker 1: Because it's not for some reason, no, because it's it
Speaker 1: feels at that point it feels a little attention seeking,
Speaker 1: and it feels like, okay, everyone be quiet, well Dad,
Speaker 1: the next five minutes will Dad finishes out sneeze and
Speaker 1: it's like nobody else needs to do it but you.
Speaker 1: So it feels like you're trying to have a moment.
Speaker 2: I cannot. I'm not even I have allergies. I don't
Speaker 2: enjoy it.
Speaker 1: It's I don't know, I understand, but it's getting worse
Speaker 1: with age. I'm just big you. Okay, Well, we'll stop
Speaker 1: the ice breaking because we're gonna end up breaking up
Speaker 1: by the end of this EP. So okay. So the
Speaker 1: main question that everyone asked that came in was and
Speaker 1: then we'll get into all the individual questions, but the
Speaker 1: main question was how did you and I meet?
Speaker 2: I'm we were. We were servers, really good servers, and
Speaker 2: at a.
Speaker 1: Sports bar, at a sports bar in Los Angeles. Do
Speaker 1: you think I was actually really good?
Speaker 2: No? No, you were. You were not good, But that's
Speaker 2: why we bonded, being the really good server that I am. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I you know I I you climbed the road. I
Speaker 2: climbed through that company. I got a call from a
Speaker 2: disgruntled customer complaining about a girl named Camilla that had
Speaker 2: waited on them. I remember telling that I was going
Speaker 2: to give her a talking Hey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, little did they know that we've been smooching
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. And when you're smooching, there's a there's
Speaker 1: a there's an unspoken rule that you're not going to
Speaker 1: fire me. It's going to go no further than that
Speaker 1: phone call.
Speaker 2: But I assured them that I would.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, of course, good job.
Speaker 2: But ironically, the fact that I picked up the phone
Speaker 2: and they were calling about you, so yes.
Speaker 1: Matt and I we waited tables together, prevented me from
Speaker 1: getting fired. And then I think that one thing that's
Speaker 1: interesting is do you remember helping me with my Grey's
Speaker 1: Anatomy audition?
Speaker 2: Do? Yeah? Ye? If he's dropping, I still haven't seen
Speaker 2: my commission, don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's get into these. Okay, you read Ruby.
Speaker 2: What was your first impression of Camilla? She made me laugh.
Speaker 2: We laughed a lot, and I found that I'd never
Speaker 2: I'd never actually met a woman that I had laughed with.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly right, Georgie. Who said I love you? First?
Speaker 1: You or Camilla? Actually? Wait, I said that I had
Speaker 1: a crush on you first. You told me that you
Speaker 1: were falling for me? Yes, yeah, first, which is very cute.
Speaker 2: Okay, how often do you make time for date night?
Speaker 1: God?
Speaker 2: As a parent, I find it, we find it hard.
Speaker 1: We find it really hard.
Speaker 2: Even when you have the time in the evenings. I
Speaker 2: feel like by the time that five thirty six o'clock
Speaker 2: rolls around, you know, when you're starting kid bedtime, you know,
Speaker 2: the air gets let out, you know, you get tired.
Speaker 2: And so date night is always yeah, a good movie.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean they're talking about going out day nights.
Speaker 1: We don't. I mean we go out like I feel
Speaker 1: like once every couple of weeks we'll go out for
Speaker 1: like a date night.
Speaker 2: And we're going to use this as a date night.
Speaker 1: We've and yeah, so what we've done today because we're
Speaker 1: like when in Rome, right, no kids, We've bought our
Speaker 1: bottle owned bottle of wine here with us and we're
Speaker 1: drinking rose out of our coffee mugs. And the reason
Speaker 1: is is because, as you guys know, did I trust
Speaker 1: to bring wine glasses around?
Speaker 2: That was my idea.
Speaker 1: No, listen, I told you dropped and we would have.
Speaker 1: You said no, stem exactly right, and you were right
Speaker 1: because you knew you'd be a dropper with it. We're
Speaker 1: using this as a date night. Okay, Mollie, have you
Speaker 1: two ever done couples therapy? Would you be open to
Speaker 1: it if needed? I think we're both hang on, we're
Speaker 1: both in therapy because that's really good for everybody. The
Speaker 1: truth is, and this is annoying, but we don't argue
Speaker 1: very much.
Speaker 2: We don't.
Speaker 1: We do not.
Speaker 2: When we do, I feel like when we do.
Speaker 1: Get heated, yeah, then we then we throw it out
Speaker 1: like we're going to get couples. It's almost like a threat.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like between us?
Speaker 2: Do that again, I'm gonna call the therapist.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then do that again. You'll see what therapy is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope you got an hour on Thursday. The
Speaker 2: older we get and the more into our marriage we get,
Speaker 2: we're better at Why are you laughing, I'm literally having
Speaker 2: the first moment.
Speaker 1: No, you're having a moment. No, I'm in this moment
Speaker 1: with you. Sorry, I just love you.
Speaker 2: We've gotten better at owning when one of us has
Speaker 2: been wrong in a disagreement, and then it's easier to
Speaker 2: resolve and move on.
Speaker 1: That's all we have. Yeah, that's not to say that,
Speaker 1: like realistically, you know, we're kind of stuck with each
Speaker 1: other right forever, so at some point we might need
Speaker 1: couple therapy, and if we do, then we're going to
Speaker 1: do it. But we have we have been able to
Speaker 1: resolve things so far and we actually like we parent
Speaker 1: pretty well good together. So yeah, agree, Tara, favorite romantic
Speaker 1: date idea? Where do you think I would love to
Speaker 1: be taken? Because I think this would like surprise people
Speaker 1: about me.
Speaker 2: Where would you love to make take?
Speaker 1: Where am I down to be taken for a day night? Like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, let's go.
Speaker 2: I feel like the movie plays where you can lounge
Speaker 2: and have a blanket that we're going.
Speaker 1: With there, that's not the vibe I'm sending you with
Speaker 1: my eyeballs.
Speaker 2: We've had this conversation, Well, I like a Chili's, Oh my,
Speaker 2: are you serious? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I like a cheesecake factory, and you you love
Speaker 1: a cheesecake, Chilis and a cheesecake.
Speaker 2: I haven't brought up chilis in a while, though. This
Speaker 2: is something nobody knows about it. Go for it. You
Speaker 2: love chilies, you love cheesecake factory. Even on a date night.
Speaker 2: I can suggest romantic stuff. I'll even consider like cooking
Speaker 2: myself and you're like, that sounds so chili Yeah.
Speaker 1: To be honest, yeah, I mean the apps are good,
Speaker 1: yeah yea. And sometimes those prices, okay, there's too.
Speaker 2: Many options there.
Speaker 1: That's that's the there's never enough for me. Okay, Michelle,
Speaker 1: is it a red flag if he doesn't open the
Speaker 1: door for me.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a red flag, but I
Speaker 2: personally feel like it's a You gotta at least see
Speaker 2: him making the effort. If it's if he's not making
Speaker 2: the effort, put it in your back pocket.
Speaker 1: Okay, let me ask you this question. The truth is
Speaker 1: this guy is Matt actually does almost always open in
Speaker 1: the car.
Speaker 2: It's really you make a conscious effort of it though
Speaker 2: in the car no, even the car.
Speaker 1: Said, yeah, well that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: Well, I also open a restaurant door like a bus.
Speaker 2: I'd open a bus door for you too, no limitation
Speaker 2: to the doors.
Speaker 1: This is the kind of quality you guys are in
Speaker 1: love with today. Listen, Okay, if Hayden was dating our
Speaker 1: daughter was dating someone that didn't open the door for her.
Speaker 2: That's different.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, hear me go Okay, would you want
Speaker 1: to that?
Speaker 2: I want to see the guy make the effort. Yes,
Speaker 2: I think a guy should. That's my answer to the question.
Speaker 2: I alwayst want to see him make the effort.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, you and Amanda.
Speaker 2: How do you keep the love alive during the Newborn Trench.
Speaker 1: Was our love alive?
Speaker 2: You know what I remember the most about the New
Speaker 2: York Trenches is the really late night binge watching of
Speaker 2: TV together actually or separately, like we would hand off
Speaker 2: and then. But I feel like those how.
Speaker 1: Was the love alive for watching the love was alive
Speaker 1: for me when I was binge watching separately something to because.
Speaker 2: I felt like those moments. I remember watching Bloodline a lot.
Speaker 2: I remember watching.
Speaker 1: No We Did Big Little Lies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I felt like, in all the chaos, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was just an hour of grounding that we could
Speaker 2: kind of just be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought that was cool. Yeah. I think that
Speaker 1: Newborn's in one way, you're completely sleep deprior, right, so
Speaker 1: you these little things like we're going to go for
Speaker 1: just a walk around the block. You're also supposed to
Speaker 1: like not really go out so much like in the world, right,
Speaker 1: because you have a baby with like not a big
Speaker 1: immune system yet. But it sort of forces the two
Speaker 1: of you to be like in a little bubble together
Speaker 1: and I breathe, and you're up late night binge watching
Speaker 1: shows together.
Speaker 2: And you're delirious and you're kind of sharing the moments
Speaker 2: of like little sleep but it feels connecting in a
Speaker 2: weird way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and checking in with each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was nice. You know, we'd always.
Speaker 1: We've always done that. God, we sound amazing, all.
Speaker 2: Right, and the show thank you for joining us.
Speaker 1: Okay, Jay said, my boyfriend is an actor and has
Speaker 1: kissing scenes. How do I let go of the jealousy?
Speaker 1: Do you know what's really funny is I was on
Speaker 1: set the other day and someone got on the subject
Speaker 1: of kissing and how like, you know, because on Gray's
Speaker 1: Anatomy to do some making out. But you know Chris
Speaker 1: Carmack and he's wonderful, and I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: Matt doesn't really like it, doesn't really face him. And
Speaker 1: then they asked me if I've ever been fased by this,
Speaker 1: and then I said, well, I remembered that my husband
Speaker 1: way back in the day did a horror movie and
Speaker 1: there was a scene where you basically had to motorboat
Speaker 1: this girl.
Speaker 2: I love that this is your interpretation of it.
Speaker 1: So I said that took me a second. It took
Speaker 1: I wasn't like gopher, I wasn't like excited about it.
Speaker 2: No, I think the I think in the phrasing of
Speaker 2: this question is how do I let go of the jealousy?
Speaker 2: To be honest, I don't know if the jealousy, if
Speaker 2: you can totally let go it, because even though that
Speaker 2: you've had one hundred scenes at this point with Chris,
Speaker 2: who I adore, I think as ye who loves you,
Speaker 2: there's a tiny hint of jealousy every time I gotta
Speaker 2: see it.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's good, though.
Speaker 2: But I think but that's where I was going with is.
Speaker 2: I think that's good because you know, you learn to
Speaker 2: deal with it, and you learn to kind of separate
Speaker 2: and you learn to like realize it's part of the
Speaker 2: job in whatever way that is. But I think more
Speaker 2: than anything, it's it's more about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah about Yeah, I didn't, I couldn't. I did have
Speaker 1: a hard time accepting the motor boats.
Speaker 2: Again, there were no motor boats.
Speaker 1: I recall it. I mean this is a long time ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do recall. That's how it's implanted in my mind. Listen,
Speaker 1: was it in the script? Yes? Was it part of
Speaker 1: the role? Yes? Was it annoying? Also? Yes, it's fine
Speaker 1: that we've moved on, have we? I don't know, talk
Speaker 1: about tonight?
Speaker 2: Now? What have I done?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: How do you text? The guy you like the first time.
Speaker 1: What's a good way? Do you have emojis in it?
Speaker 1: Or do you lay off the emojis? You think?
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good question. I think simple is always good. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I think the effort is good as well. But
Speaker 2: whatever that looks like, I.
Speaker 1: Think is well, let me ask you this question. It's
Speaker 1: a piggyback. Okay, say the guy takes like a couple
Speaker 1: hours to respond as a girl, does it look kind
Speaker 1: of like desperate if we respond immediately like well someone
Speaker 1: has no wife or does it look or are you like, okay, cool?
Speaker 2: That's a good question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is good.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think you do it right away.
Speaker 2: I think you there's always a playing it cool element.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Kind of sucks though, because you kind of it
Speaker 1: would be nice to just be like.
Speaker 2: But but there was I noticed another question, which is
Speaker 2: from Maria. If a guy takes long to respond, does
Speaker 2: that mean he doesn't care? Oh, if he hears from
Speaker 2: the girl a few days later? Yeah, first, I think
Speaker 2: that's kind of cool.
Speaker 1: So wait, let me ask you though, are guys doing
Speaker 1: the thing that girls do where it's like they're like, dude,
Speaker 1: she just texts me I don't know why it's my
Speaker 1: guy voice, but this is like, dude, she just texts
Speaker 1: me like what do I do? Are they getting the boys?
Speaker 2: I don't think they always know what to do, so
Speaker 2: that's trying to play it cool. But I think there's
Speaker 2: just insecurity in that, and so I think the more
Speaker 2: you know, you just take the you know, take the
Speaker 2: initiative yourself, go for it. A guy who's going to
Speaker 2: find that attract.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, he's insecure. Okay, I like this, No, this
Speaker 1: is important. This is why you're here. Okay, Sydney. What
Speaker 1: is your take on dating apps and can they really work?
Speaker 1: When we got together, there were no dating apps. It
Speaker 1: was like the very beginning of that it happening. I
Speaker 1: remember back in the day. It was kind of like
Speaker 1: not cool. It's like, you know, your mom was on
Speaker 1: a day.
Speaker 2: I had a BlackBerry at some point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how we were probably like BlackBerry time. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: but what is your take on the dating apps.
Speaker 2: I have friends that are still together who have met
Speaker 2: on dating apps. I think they can totally work. Now, ohah,
Speaker 2: just be careful.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, I think this is the same thing as
Speaker 1: like the only thing that justin and I talked about though,
Speaker 1: is that we have talked about before, how people aren't
Speaker 1: meeting out in the world at bars anymore. They don't
Speaker 1: know that like meet cute story and maybe that there's
Speaker 1: almost like too many options with the app.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no organic you know, and maybe stance or
Speaker 2: whatever the word is. There's no organic just meeting, yeah,
Speaker 2: the way that it used to be. So yeah, I've
Speaker 2: never thought of nothing.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's a little bit of chemistry like killed, because
Speaker 1: how can you play hard to get on a dating app?
Speaker 1: To be honest, like someone has to swipe on you
Speaker 1: meaning they're interested.
Speaker 2: But it's literally decided on in that moment of the
Speaker 2: swipe or the nose swipe too, like that's all you're
Speaker 2: going by it, and that's weird to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Would you have swiped on me?
Speaker 2: Right? Is yes? Is right?
Speaker 1: Yes? Yeah? Would you have swiped right on me?
Speaker 2: Is there a double? Yes? I would hard and.
Speaker 1: Swipe desperate, see see if i'd seen a.
Speaker 2: Heart and so what if I would have just hearted it?
Speaker 1: Though I don't know. I think it's like.
Speaker 2: And not swipe. Can you just harden and leave it?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think if you harden and swiped me.
Speaker 1: I would have been like, that's never happening, Like slow
Speaker 1: it down. I would have cringed, like it would have
Speaker 1: given me the eck. If you'd given both, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, we wouldn't be here today.
Speaker 2: Really think I know that's a through.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'd be terrible on a dating app.
Speaker 2: We've talked about that. I think it's terrible.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, you would be okay, Emma, Is it
Speaker 1: true that a guy loves when a girl makes the
Speaker 1: first move?
Speaker 2: Again, I think most guys, especially on a first, second,
Speaker 2: third date, they're more insecure than you realize. So if
Speaker 2: you make the first move, I think it's cool. Are
Speaker 2: you sure my take?
Speaker 1: Okay? All right? Well taking it?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: This is interesting.
Speaker 2: See true that all men find red lipstick on a
Speaker 2: woman unattractive. I've never heard that before.
Speaker 1: I've heard rumors are smuomers.
Speaker 2: We're talking bright red?
Speaker 1: Does it matter? Are you like the tom Ford shade
Speaker 1: of zero seven? It's not gonna work for me.
Speaker 2: I don't know that's a good thing. I mean, I
Speaker 2: assume that this is in reference to like a bright red.
Speaker 1: Sure, let's go with the bright red matt For God's sake, Why.
Speaker 2: Am I answering this question because it is for a man.
Speaker 1: Does the bright red matter?
Speaker 2: I think it was too bright red. It's not as attractive.
Speaker 1: Shots fired women, shots fired.
Speaker 2: I think that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Right. Well, I've got a couple of bright reds and
Speaker 1: now I'm second guessing them. You've never said that to me,
Speaker 1: and I definitely want a bright red around you.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've ever asked me.
Speaker 1: There's no need. I'm still worrying it. Alex, what is
Speaker 1: your take on being friends with your ex? This is
Speaker 1: interesting because.
Speaker 2: I feel like everyone's different. Yeah, but we kind of.
Speaker 1: Have the situation. So I have an ex that I'm
Speaker 1: still in love with.
Speaker 2: Oh, here we go, turn this up. Let's hear.
Speaker 1: I'm kidding. No, I have an ex from waver Back
Speaker 1: in a complicated No. I have an excellent way way
Speaker 1: way back in the day, like high school, and once
Speaker 1: and once in a very rare while, we'll get lunch together.
Speaker 1: But so, but you've been very cool about it. I
Speaker 1: think very secure in our relation.
Speaker 2: I think it's uh. I think it's possible. I have
Speaker 2: a really good friend from high school that we are still,
Speaker 2: you know, really close friends, and she's female and to
Speaker 2: be honest, I think this was the other question combined.
Speaker 1: Can women and men ever just be friends?
Speaker 2: I think so often, not often. I think they're the
Speaker 2: details surrounding the relationship, you know, will change, okay, but
Speaker 2: I think if the circumstances are are healthy, then yeah,
Speaker 2: I think one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: How do guys feel about their partner farting in front
Speaker 2: of them?
Speaker 1: Spealy not to turn on?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that, and I don't find
Speaker 2: it to turn on. I don't know. I feel like
Speaker 2: to keep the romance alive. You know, there are minor
Speaker 2: boundaries with those kind of things, and if you're not,
Speaker 2: as long as you're not like making a show of it,
Speaker 2: which I have buddies that I'm sure are doing that.
Speaker 1: No, but I have girlfriends actually that will like rip.
Speaker 2: But did you just say rip? But sure, I.
Speaker 1: Mean ripping at what's the difference between ripping button?
Speaker 2: You just say farted a lot? But it's no.
Speaker 1: But it's aggressive, is what I'm trying to get.
Speaker 2: That's a good word. Yeah, when it becomes aggressive, I
Speaker 2: think it's that's unhealthy. That's unhealthy. Aggressive farting is very
Speaker 2: unhealthy in a relationship.
Speaker 1: Words to live by Truly Jessica. Jessica, this is gonna
Speaker 1: Justsica's listening to this right now, and she's like, dear,
Speaker 1: It's like, thank god, I'm back to my workday for this.
Speaker 2: I'm very sorry. I'm doing my best. I'm a little
Speaker 2: sweaty right now, nervous still, but I'm trying really hard.
Speaker 1: Okay, listen, we're going to forge on jess relationship advice
Speaker 1: for a young couple in their twenties. Don't rush. I
Speaker 1: think your twenties is so transformative, like I think good advice. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think don't rush. I would say don't rush any
Speaker 1: of it and don't feel the pressure to rush any
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 2: I agree, especially nowadays, I feel like, how long how
Speaker 2: long do you.
Speaker 1: Think someone should wait to like move in with each other?
Speaker 1: Because I feel like that's something that you do in
Speaker 1: your twenties.
Speaker 2: Is it my daughter or well?
Speaker 1: I mean, if it's Hayden, you're going to have her living,
Speaker 1: you know, in her bedroom until she's forty five?
Speaker 2: Thirty five?
Speaker 1: Sure? Okay, no, like a normal person, not your kid.
Speaker 1: What do you think I think that you wait? I
Speaker 1: think like you wait a year?
Speaker 2: A year is good?
Speaker 1: I think so I think a year's pretty good and
Speaker 1: then move in together.
Speaker 2: I think closer to two years is good.
Speaker 1: Really, that's kind of a long time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels that way, especially nowadays. I feel like that.
Speaker 1: I think the longer wait, the smarter it is. But
Speaker 1: the temptation to like back in your twenties when you're broken,
Speaker 1: you're not making any money, like, but also.
Speaker 2: That triggers, you know, when you're in your twenties and
Speaker 2: you're broke and you're dating somebody, that's also you know,
Speaker 2: some reasons why you want to move in a little sooner,
Speaker 2: and you know you.
Speaker 1: Want to because you're like crashing at each other's.
Speaker 2: Spaces and you're I think the smartest thing is what
Speaker 2: you said, take your time, Jamie. How often do men
Speaker 2: want to be hugged? Does it feel clingy?
Speaker 1: I think it depends on your love language.
Speaker 2: I agree, I agree. I personally, I think it's I
Speaker 2: think men like to be hugged. I think it's I
Speaker 2: think it's a good healthy communication.
Speaker 1: You know what's funny is between our daughter and our son,
Speaker 1: you guys, our son is the physical smashing. He's the smushiest,
Speaker 1: can be very smushy.
Speaker 2: I think I think it's good. I think that's healthy.
Speaker 1: And I think I think the society raises men though
Speaker 1: in a way where they almost like unsmashy them, where
Speaker 1: they're taught to me like not you know, do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like, I just I think not enough has been taught
Speaker 2: two young boys or young men that shows them that
Speaker 2: it's okay too, Like.
Speaker 1: Does it does it almost like feel like vulnerable? Then?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think that's the problem is that we haven't
Speaker 2: taught that it's okay to be vulnerable. It's more about
Speaker 2: showing strength as opposed to it's okay to be vulnerable.
Speaker 2: I think both things can be true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I like that. I like that. Okay,
Speaker 1: Kyle says, I'm with someone who buys me flowers. What
Speaker 1: would be something I could do for him that is
Speaker 1: non sexual that would brighten his day? It is a
Speaker 1: it's a great question, really good question.
Speaker 2: Huh. Do you have an answer as well.
Speaker 1: Something non sexual that would brighten his day? Well, I've
Speaker 1: talked about this, but this is silly, not silly, but
Speaker 1: because it means something to us. But it's not. I
Speaker 1: don't think this is the kind of answer they're looking for.
Speaker 1: But I've always talked about how you making me a
Speaker 1: cup of coffee every morning is like really adorable. Maybe
Speaker 1: cooking someone their favorite dinner, like in the mornings. Matt
Speaker 1: knows I love beignets, and so I hadn't. I don't
Speaker 1: think I even had a beignet before until went to
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift in New Orleans with Hayden in the morning. You, Oh,
Speaker 1: this is actually a very romantic story. People don't know.
Speaker 1: I was in New Orleans and I woke up in
Speaker 1: the morning and there was a delivery downstairs at the
Speaker 1: hotel concierge and you had ordered me coffee delivery and
Speaker 1: beignets from Cafe Dumont, which has a line down the street.
Speaker 1: So when I woke up, I had that ready.
Speaker 2: To be fair. This was me and another dad with
Speaker 2: you know, y, the other mom you're traveling with, So
Speaker 2: we combined this idea. But we were thinking of you guys, and.
Speaker 1: That was so cute.
Speaker 2: But since then and.
Speaker 1: I feel like I lovedignets and so it's Hayden and
Speaker 1: so like we'll wake up on a Saturday morning and
Speaker 1: you're just making vignets. I almost feel like it's like
Speaker 1: a non sexual thing, is like something that is not
Speaker 1: asked for that it's like a sweet surprise. I don't
Speaker 1: think you've just spent a lot of money out there.
Speaker 2: Totally agree with it. I think it's just a little
Speaker 2: effort that shows your thinking of them.
Speaker 1: M hmmm.
Speaker 2: Because even when I'm having a stressful day or I'm
Speaker 2: overwhelmed with the kids or whatever, sometimes a tiny little
Speaker 2: thing like you know that you'll do it just you
Speaker 2: know you wouldn't do if you didn't know me.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's just a tiny little reassurance that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I think that's but like a dinner you know
Speaker 2: that he likes without you know, even telling him or
Speaker 2: asking him, just kind of you know, have it ready,
Speaker 2: actively making an effort. I feel it goes a long
Speaker 2: long way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I agree, that's really cute. Some other questions
Speaker 1: what we got were now that you know we're we're
Speaker 1: navigating our relationship in Hollywood, what is that like? I
Speaker 1: feel very normal.
Speaker 2: I do too. I feel like, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Don't think that we have changed that much, although maybe
Speaker 1: there's people listening that know us and they're like the
Speaker 1: Hills to Hollo out of touch.
Speaker 2: It's very true. We still have the same jokes. We still,
Speaker 2: you know, talk about the same stuff. We go to
Speaker 2: the same restaurant. I feel like it's a lot of
Speaker 2: the stuff is very much the same.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The only difference is is that out in the
Speaker 1: world we both get recognized. You were also on Grey's Anatomy.
Speaker 2: I was, I was, But funny enough, we did not
Speaker 2: work together. This is this is literally, yes, the first
Speaker 2: time we have worked together together.
Speaker 1: Waiting tables. This is it you guys right here, this is.
Speaker 2: No. I when I worked that episode, Hayden was just born.
Speaker 2: She was born. You were in the episode that and
Speaker 2: so I had started the episode and then she was born,
Speaker 2: and then you were in the hospital and then I
Speaker 2: left the next day to go finish up.
Speaker 1: Yes, and I was like, I remember telling you go
Speaker 1: tell them that I that I and I.
Speaker 2: Got to said. I was like, she's fine, guys, she's fine.
Speaker 2: Everything's fine. I'm glad, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But we had no scenes together. We've never actually
Speaker 1: acted together. We kind of movie would you like to
Speaker 1: act in together?
Speaker 2: And we've talked about doing a horror movie. I think
Speaker 2: a horror movie is is it'd be fun.
Speaker 1: Would you want to kill me?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, would you want to kill me?
Speaker 1: The smile. I haven't seen you smile like that.
Speaker 2: Be honest. If it was a crazy death scene and.
Speaker 1: It's curing the whole thing, I was like, let's let's
Speaker 1: reverse it.
Speaker 2: Say you read a script and I was already cast
Speaker 2: and they had offered you some role.
Speaker 1: And wait, hang on, so you the way you've just
Speaker 1: presented this is that you've been cast is the main
Speaker 1: and I've got some side Okay, so I've got some
Speaker 1: I'm in the background, got it.
Speaker 2: Now. My point is is that we end up in
Speaker 2: a movie together where you read that you get to
Speaker 2: kill me in an amazing epic way, like something that's
Speaker 2: never been before. Wouldn't that be kind of Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd have notes. I'd be like, this is what
Speaker 1: I've always wanted to do.
Speaker 2: It's like a Dayline episode.
Speaker 1: We have taught, you know what. Matt and I do
Speaker 1: love to watch Dayline together, and we have talked during
Speaker 1: the episode about where someone has gone wrong, because if
Speaker 1: I did kill you, I would know how to get
Speaker 1: away with it exactly. Okay. Our last question from Emma
Speaker 1: is if Camilla ended up being a real housewife, could
Speaker 1: you be a house husband?
Speaker 2: I mean I would, I would, I'd have to do
Speaker 2: what it takes. Yeah, I think you would love the Housewives.
Speaker 1: No, I would not.
Speaker 2: I think you would love Stern stuff up.
Speaker 1: Oh you do?
Speaker 2: I think so?
Speaker 1: Would you have my back even if you knew that
Speaker 1: I was being really evil on the show.
Speaker 2: Like like when when they go off the rails.
Speaker 1: Yeah when they go yeah, yeah I was if I
Speaker 1: was clearly going off the rails and I was making everyone.
Speaker 1: I was just outing everyone right, like, you've had an affair,
Speaker 1: had an affair, had an affair? Would you be the
Speaker 1: house husband there behind.
Speaker 2: You saying yeah what she said?
Speaker 1: Would you?
Speaker 2: I got your back? Oh my god, give me a
Speaker 2: good chair from my back.
Speaker 1: You not have my back, but you'd be sitting exactly.
Speaker 2: I want to support you in the strongest way possible,
Speaker 2: and for me, that's sitting.
Speaker 1: Call it crew. I know that you've missed Jaska Capsule.
Speaker 1: I certainly have. I'm not sure how much we've helped anything.
Speaker 2: I really don't know if if we've done it. And
Speaker 2: down the minute until Jessica comes back next.
Speaker 1: I am counting down the minutes.
Speaker 2: But I tried.
Speaker 1: You did. You gave it your all. I appreciate it,
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure if you'll be back.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm totally my schedules available if you guys need
Speaker 2: me some some more advice, I am.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure we will.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure we will appreciate it.
Speaker 1: But what I do appreciate is you coming and being
Speaker 1: here and talking to the Call It crew and and
Speaker 1: maybe it'll be our resident guest to answer some of
Speaker 1: these guy questions.
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, give me a few more
Speaker 2: of these. I can get into a nice groove and
Speaker 2: I could have my own column or you know, like
Speaker 2: a little section where you kind of toss me and
Speaker 2: I give you.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, all right, call it cruth. Thank you for
Speaker 1: joining us today. I promise Matt will be out of
Speaker 1: here over, guys, let's call it the end of the episode.
Speaker 2: The step escaped and capt