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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Steffan

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Speaker 1: never told you a productive iHeart radio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome to part two. Who knew we were doing

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Speaker 2: a part two? Not me, but you know what, Just

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Speaker 2: so you know, Annie, Yes, before we jump into this

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Speaker 2: part two, this is award winning show. They are not

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Speaker 2: only won, they were nominated rather for some Primetime Emmys. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they lost the Game of Thrones. They lost a Game

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Speaker 2: of Thrones. Yes, yes, part two of Once they lost

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Speaker 2: the Game of Thrones. So I feel like that's, you know, valid,

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Speaker 2: But they were nominated for like teen Choice Awards as

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Speaker 2: well and different Choice awards. So this is a legit show.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited. This really was one of my favorite shows.

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Speaker 1: It is a legit show. I have yet to see it.

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Speaker 1: And yes, we are talking about Once, and we were

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Speaker 1: talking about Regina, the fictional character from Once. In what

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Speaker 1: we're doing is sort of a fun holiday end of

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Speaker 1: year exchange where Samantha is taking over my fictional women

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Speaker 1: around the World segments. And I hope that you're having fun. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I am having fun. And I love the fact that

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Speaker 1: I'm making it two parter. I can't just do I

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Speaker 1: just stick around you know when I grab onto something. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I can't hold back, and yes, this is part two.

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Speaker 1: I guess we should say that there's some spoilers. If

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Speaker 1: you haven't watched it and want to watch it, I

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Speaker 1: do tell the I think finale, So go watch it

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Speaker 1: all seven seasons of it and then come back. I guess, yes,

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Speaker 1: if you watch the first season, you're good. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but it can be fun. Like I've just been going

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Speaker 1: on this ride. I have not seen it, but I've

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Speaker 1: been having a great time. It's very a lot of shockers,

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Speaker 1: a lot of shockers, but yeah, let's get back into it.

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Speaker 2: Season two we have a resurfacing of Cora, her mother,

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Speaker 2: who also is it's kind of like blindly like I

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Speaker 2: want to make her happy and being powerful and getting

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Speaker 2: her revenge will make my daughter happy. So she's another

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Speaker 2: antagonist a part of this. The entirety of the second one, though,

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Speaker 2: is not only her getting back her magic and proving herself,

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Speaker 2: but actually trying to redeem herself. So we talked about

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Speaker 2: Regina's art before Me and you Annie, which I said

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Speaker 2: that she that's her thing. That's like, yes, she is

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Speaker 2: of bad things, which I love how we gloss over

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Speaker 2: all the deaths to give them the redeeming arc. But

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Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, she's sure to kill a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: Well, uh, speaking up very briefly, when I did the

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Speaker 1: That they gave once as an example of like a

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Speaker 2: I know that is yeah. So she in the ticket

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Speaker 2: second season is trying to redeem herself. It's the battle

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Speaker 2: Emma and snow White get trapped in the enchanted forest,

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Speaker 2: including Hook again. We bring back Cora. As we said,

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Speaker 2: at one point, and goes to never never Land. Now

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Speaker 2: Regina goes with Emma and the whole crew and they're

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Speaker 2: And that's the thing, is, like the entirety of the

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Speaker 2: But she's trying very very very very very hard and

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Speaker 1: And then, you know, that's one of my favorite troops.

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Speaker 2: Yep. They could have been happy, they could have been happy.

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Speaker 1: But you go for revenge still she did.

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Speaker 2: she's like, why would you let this happen? Why would

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Speaker 2: Do you want to be miserable? You could have been happy?

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