Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks DJ here.
Speaker 2: It is that time of year. We're getting ready to
Speaker 2: head towards the scouting Combine in Indianapolis, and one of
Speaker 2: the traditions is prior to getting on a plane and
Speaker 2: heading out there, do a conference call with a lot
Speaker 2: of media members where just fielding a lot of questions
Speaker 2: about players, about teams, all sorts of draft conversation. It's
Speaker 2: something that we've done for a long time, and a
Speaker 2: few years back we realized, hey, won't we just dump
Speaker 2: that into the podcast. You guys can hear it because
Speaker 2: so many different topics are touched on during the call.
Speaker 2: So that's what we've got for you today. Is is
Speaker 2: some cut ups here from my conference call with the
Speaker 2: media ahead of the NFL Scouting Combine. Hope you enjoy it.
Speaker 2: It's chuck full a goodies. Trust me, I'm excited about
Speaker 2: this draft. It is. It's a starter's draft, is how
Speaker 2: I would phrase it. You know, going through and watching
Speaker 2: all these guys combine and talking to a bunch of
Speaker 2: people around the league. Okay, some positions maybe don't have
Speaker 2: that superstar that we have had in years past. But
Speaker 2: we do have a boatload of starters, particularly the defensive line,
Speaker 2: a bunch of really, really good players. So excited about it.
Speaker 2: Looking forward to seeing these guys in person and indy,
Speaker 2: and look forward to your questions.
Speaker 3: Great, thanks DJ. We will now begin the Q and
Speaker 3: a portion of today's call. Use the raised hand function
Speaker 3: to get in the queue to ask a question. We're
Speaker 3: going to start with Jim Wyatt of the Tennessee and Jim,
Speaker 3: you can ask your question.
Speaker 4: Now Tennessee Titans dot Com. Yeah, I appreciate you having me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I appreciate you having me leading off with the
Speaker 5: number one pick too, Daniel, how you doing.
Speaker 6: Appreciate your time?
Speaker 2: You earned it, buddy, you earned you earned the first
Speaker 2: question here.
Speaker 5: So I noticed you've got Abdul Carter as your top prospect.
Speaker 5: I notice you've got the Titans taken him at number
Speaker 5: one in your initial mock.
Speaker 2: Is he good enough?
Speaker 5: Did you just stick there and pick or you look
Speaker 5: to trade and if and to kind of go along
Speaker 5: with that same question, how much interest? How much action
Speaker 5: do you think they'll get with the potential trade at one?
Speaker 2: Well, I haven't heard much buzz about action at this
Speaker 2: point in time. Usually the combine, you know, as you know,
Speaker 2: is when that could pick up a little bit and
Speaker 2: you'll start hearing some buzz. If somebody falls in love
Speaker 2: with the quarterback, that's where the trades happen, and that
Speaker 2: would be you know, that will be interesting because I
Speaker 2: look at them and to me, I think there's really
Speaker 2: a couple options. I think it's three players. I think
Speaker 2: it's Abdul Carter. I think it's Travis Hunter or cam Ward.
Speaker 2: I think you're deciding between those three players, and then
Speaker 2: the fourth option is the trade. But to me, if
Speaker 2: I'm Tennessee, I'm not going past three unless I get
Speaker 2: an enormous haul and I don't think. I don't think
Speaker 2: you're going to get that in this draft. So to me,
Speaker 2: I think that's what their decision is going to come
Speaker 2: down to. I think, you know, it depends on what
Speaker 2: you're looking for. A very similar grade on Abdul Carter
Speaker 2: and Travis Hunter. I have Abdul Carter a little bit
Speaker 2: higher than him, and it's such a premier position, and
Speaker 2: I think when you look at the pieces already on
Speaker 2: that defensive line and you go out and you get
Speaker 2: Abdul Carter. I think you've got a chance to have
Speaker 2: one of the best units in the league. So that's
Speaker 2: a good foundation to build off of. But they need
Speaker 2: to do their homework on cam Ord and if they
Speaker 2: feel confident and comfortable with him and they feel like
Speaker 2: he can be their guy going forward, I don't have
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have any issue whatsoever if they decided that
Speaker 2: was going to be the direction they went.
Speaker 6: Thank you, Daniel, Appreciate you guys.
Speaker 7: Yep.
Speaker 3: Thanks. Next question is from d Orlando Ledbetter of the
Speaker 3: Atlanta Journal Constitution.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Dj, you know, how does this group of fourteen George,
Speaker 8: I want to go fourteen, but Starks is the one
Speaker 8: that's interesting, you know, perhaps for the facts at fifteen,
Speaker 8: but maybe while Boker, Mical Williams and starts. How does
Speaker 8: this group look and project into the first round here?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they got a boatload of dudes, so you
Speaker 2: know when I I'll just go through those top three
Speaker 2: guys and yeah, Jalen Walker, he's one of my favorite
Speaker 2: players to study. You know, he's got the versatility to
Speaker 2: play off the ball. On the ball, I think he's
Speaker 2: got a chance to be a special pass rusher. I
Speaker 2: don't know if we're going to see him do everything
Speaker 2: in Indianapolish. I know he'd been nursing some things, but
Speaker 2: I anticipate when you see him run. If he does
Speaker 2: decide to run, he can run in the four fours
Speaker 2: like he's got legit, legit explosive. First, he plays with
Speaker 2: a ton of energy. He's a tone setter. The thing
Speaker 2: I love about him is, you know, okay, I see
Speaker 2: he plays with energy and passion. He plays fast, he's physical.
Speaker 2: And then when you talk to the coaches at Georgia
Speaker 2: and they say, like, this guy is like rare off
Speaker 2: the charts in tangibles, you know, leadership. Uh, he took
Speaker 2: over a couple of games that the Texas game at Texas,
Speaker 2: you know that was that was a statement there. So
Speaker 2: I think he's, you know, he's a lock to go
Speaker 2: in the top ten. Michael Williams is gosh. I just
Speaker 2: wish we could have seen him healthy. You know, if
Speaker 2: he doesn't get hurt in that Clemson game and we
Speaker 2: see him at full strength, I think we're you know,
Speaker 2: we're talking about him as another you know, top ten
Speaker 2: lock who's got a lot of freaky qualities to him.
Speaker 2: Freaky traits to him. He can really get off the ball.
Speaker 2: He's got, you know, a lot of power and violence
Speaker 2: as a rusher. He can set the edge. It's just
Speaker 2: a production hasn't been great, but that's because the guy
Speaker 2: wasn't wasn't healthy all year long, and they still roll
Speaker 2: guys through there. So I think the the Trayvon Walker,
Speaker 2: you know, experience and seeing how he's continued to develop
Speaker 2: with the Jags, I think that's you know, when it's
Speaker 2: all said and done, I will be more surprised than
Speaker 2: not if he's if he's not all the way up
Speaker 2: there in the top ten. And then Starks is a
Speaker 2: is an intriguing one because you notice in when he
Speaker 2: was younger and kind of like popped on the scene,
Speaker 2: and man, he's he's such an easy mover, like a
Speaker 2: fluid athlete. He just didn't make as many plays this year.
Speaker 2: You know, he made the big pick, a big time
Speaker 2: athletic interception down the field in the Clemson game, and
Speaker 2: then after that just didn't make a ton of plays.
Speaker 2: But real reliable. He's an obviously really smooth athlete, takes
Speaker 2: really good angles, you know, gets guys on the ground.
Speaker 2: I like the fact that he's young. I think his
Speaker 2: best football is still ahead of him, and I like
Speaker 2: the fact that he has you know, safety nickel flex
Speaker 2: It can do a lot of different things. So to me,
Speaker 2: I think it'll be uh, you know, it'll be interesting
Speaker 2: to see how he works out and how he tests.
Speaker 2: But he's you know, he's right there to me, more
Speaker 2: so in the back half of the first half than
Speaker 2: the first half of the first round.
Speaker 3: Thanks a lot. Next course, thanks Ryan, Ryan Dunn Levy
Speaker 3: of the New York Post.
Speaker 9: Hey, Daniel, can you hear me?
Speaker 2: Yep? I got you, man. Thanks for doing this.
Speaker 10: We need some franchise quarterbacks in New York Giants and Jets.
Speaker 10: Giants and Jets, you mentioned cam as a possibility for
Speaker 10: number one for the Titans, but not Shador, which makes
Speaker 10: me think you think there's a significant gap between them.
Speaker 10: And then you also have the Giants passing on Shador
Speaker 10: at three with all the buzz. I mean, Shador obviously
Speaker 10: thinks he's going to the Giants with his cleats and whatnot.
Speaker 10: What do you think in the top two quarterbacks, the
Speaker 10: separation and their matches for the Giants and Jets.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when I first watched the quarterbacks, I stacked him
Speaker 2: right next to each other, and they're totally different in
Speaker 2: terms of their strengths and weaknesses. The more that I've done,
Speaker 2: the more I've kind of created some separation, and that'll,
Speaker 2: you know, be reflected when the Top fifty comes out
Speaker 2: next week, the updated Top fifty. I like Shador. I
Speaker 2: think Shador is you know, when you look at the
Speaker 2: things he does really well, the accuracy, anticipation, toughness, like
Speaker 2: he'll you know, he just keeps getting up after taking
Speaker 2: a beating. But you know, some of the other things
Speaker 2: that Cam has he doesn't have. It's a little bit
Speaker 2: more twitch in his body. He's got a more live arm.
Speaker 2: I think he's more equipped to play in that division,
Speaker 2: in that in that stadium, in that environment that you're
Speaker 2: gonna get with weather. I think Schador makes more sense,
Speaker 2: just as you know, relying a little bit more as
Speaker 2: a touch thrower than a power thrower. I think he
Speaker 2: makes more sense. You know, when you look at the
Speaker 2: Saints make sense to me. The Raiders make sense to me,
Speaker 2: so more so about fit than anything else. When it
Speaker 2: comes to those guys, you know, with the you know,
Speaker 2: with the Giants not taking one in a mock draft,
Speaker 2: I always like to just run through different scenarios and
Speaker 2: you know what you're hearing, Okay, if this happens, then
Speaker 2: then where do we go from from here? The mock drafts,
Speaker 2: as you get through free agency, you know they're gonna
Speaker 2: it'll crystallize a little bit more. But there has been
Speaker 2: a lot of chatter in talking to guys around the league,
Speaker 2: you know, the Stafford stuff. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 2: if there's legs to it, but I know that it
Speaker 2: has got a lot of people in personnel departments and
Speaker 2: general managers intrigued in seeing what's going to transpire there
Speaker 2: with with him and the Rams. And the fact that
Speaker 2: that they didn't just come out and say he's not
Speaker 2: going anywhere has led people to believe that that's a possibility.
Speaker 2: And when I looked at the Giants and you look
Speaker 2: at head coach and general manager, there's there's some pressure there.
Speaker 2: You need to get this thing going, especially after the
Speaker 2: team and your division just won the Super Bowl. So
Speaker 2: I looked at that and I am sitting here thinking, man,
Speaker 2: you talk about turning around, you know, some excitement here
Speaker 2: in that market, and you trot out there Week one
Speaker 2: and you've got you know, Matthew Stafford throwing the ball
Speaker 2: to Malik Neighbors. You've got him, you know, looking at
Speaker 2: Travis Hunter getting some snaps on the offensive side of
Speaker 2: the ball. You've got who knows what else they can
Speaker 2: do with the with the money they have and free agency,
Speaker 2: and it is Cooper Cup.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 2: Part of that is that a package deal with him
Speaker 2: and Stafford. So that was my mind. That was kind
Speaker 2: of where I was going in my fantasy land as
Speaker 2: we got to that mock draft.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Nate Davis of USA Today.
Speaker 12: Nate, Hey, DJ, I wanted to just you're good at
Speaker 12: synopsizing guys from from certain schools. It seems like this
Speaker 12: year maybe we have more on the quality side from Michigan.
Speaker 12: Not the same quantity as last year, but just thought
Speaker 12: maybe if you could have some of those guys up
Speaker 12: for us.
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, I'll rip through a couple of them.
Speaker 4: Here.
Speaker 2: There's a it's a good group. Mason Graham. Gosh, he's
Speaker 2: so fun. I watched him on tape and I fell
Speaker 2: in love with him, and then I got a chance
Speaker 2: to go to their game against Oregon, and I you know,
Speaker 2: there's a bunch of personnel guys and GMS down on
Speaker 2: the field and we're walking down there and I see
Speaker 2: Mason Graham walk by, and of course he's next to
Speaker 2: Kenneth Grant's teammate, who looks like, you know, he's a
Speaker 2: cartoon character, like he's an Adonis, how big he is.
Speaker 2: And I'm looking at Mason Graham and body type, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, gosh, maybe I need to maybe i need
Speaker 2: to adjust my grade. I think maybe I'm just too
Speaker 2: high on this guy. And then I proceeded to watch
Speaker 2: the game and I was like, nope, nope, he's he's
Speaker 2: just really really good. So I hope people don't overthink
Speaker 2: it with him as we get to the spring and
Speaker 2: and kind of the further we get away from football.
Speaker 2: But he's got crazy elite leverage, balance and instincts his
Speaker 2: you know, you can see there's a wrestling background there.
Speaker 2: He's just never on the ground. He gets underneath guys.
Speaker 2: I just wrote down when I was looking at my notes,
Speaker 2: I had block destruction written down so many different times.
Speaker 2: He's just a real aggressive player who's got you know,
Speaker 2: instincts and and can dominate the game against the run.
Speaker 2: And I think has more to offer as a pass
Speaker 2: rusher Lovelin. You know, I think it's you know, I
Speaker 2: think some teams are going to have him as a
Speaker 2: top tight end. It's it's two different styles there with
Speaker 2: him and Tyler Warren. But you know, he's someone could
Speaker 2: really really run, can get in and out of breaks,
Speaker 2: fluid for a bigger guy. He can go get it
Speaker 2: with a huge catch radius. You know, he's he's tough
Speaker 2: and physical after the catch and in the run game
Speaker 2: he does enough. You know, he stays connected and shows
Speaker 2: want to So he's one of the top ten players
Speaker 2: in the draft from me. Will Johnson is is an
Speaker 2: interesting one because there's so much, you know, hype on
Speaker 2: him coming into the season and he's this big, athletic,
Speaker 2: rangey corner. He's got ball production. But I did not
Speaker 2: think he played his best this year. You know, I
Speaker 2: thought there were times where he wasn't super interested against
Speaker 2: the run, and you know, he got trucked a couple
Speaker 2: times against the run, so I just want to see
Speaker 2: little more physicality there, and then some guys got on
Speaker 2: top of him, so you know, I didn't get a
Speaker 2: chance to finish out the year healthy. So I think
Speaker 2: this will be a big spring for him to kind
Speaker 2: of recapture some of that momentum he had off of
Speaker 2: a much better season than twenty three. Kenneth Grannam mentioned
Speaker 2: just massive. He's a you know, he's a people mover
Speaker 2: and talking to the folks where he's been doing a
Speaker 2: lot of his training. You know, at three hundred and
Speaker 2: forty pounds, you should not be able to move around
Speaker 2: like that. So you're you're hoping and dreaming on this,
Speaker 2: you know, Dexter Lawrence type ascension for him once he
Speaker 2: gets to the NFL. Hasn't put it all together, but
Speaker 2: it's all in there. And then lastly, I'll give you
Speaker 2: one more and there's you know, a bunch more guys.
Speaker 2: But Josiah Stewart is just he's a bolt of lightning
Speaker 2: off the edge. He's undersize, but if you don't look
Speaker 2: at the size on your paper and just watch the tape,
Speaker 2: he doesn't play small at all. He can really generate
Speaker 2: power as a rusher, and he's he's someone who plays
Speaker 2: with just a maniacal effort and energy. One of my
Speaker 2: favorite players to study.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon Journal. Nate, hey, Daniel, in.
Speaker 13: Your latest mock draft, and you touched on the quarterback
Speaker 13: debate earlier with Ward versus Sanders, but to the Browns
Speaker 13: at number two. When you talk about fit, what specifically
Speaker 13: had you going Ward in that spot?
Speaker 2: Yeah, similar discussion. You know, having scouted that in that
Speaker 2: division for a couple different teams, we always wanted guys
Speaker 2: who were, you know, real rugged and strong. It's a
Speaker 2: physical division you're gonna play and wind and weather as
Speaker 2: you go throughout the season. Arm strength, Matt, there is
Speaker 2: a little bit more there. You know, it's it's you know,
Speaker 2: it's look, I'm not saying that shood Or can't play there.
Speaker 2: He could fit in the system for sure. And you
Speaker 2: know if they went in that direction, that wouldn't you know,
Speaker 2: totally blindside me or shock me. I just you know
Speaker 2: know from being in that division and talking to people
Speaker 2: inside that division, that's something that carries a little more
Speaker 2: weight than than maybe in other spots. So I just
Speaker 2: liked his ability. You know, if you look at Baker
Speaker 2: and I know obviously went sideways there at the end,
Speaker 2: but even though Baker wasn't a really big guy, I
Speaker 2: thought his arm played really really well there and you
Speaker 2: know there were some ups and some downs, but I
Speaker 2: didn't think that was that was an issue there at all,
Speaker 2: and I think there is some of that. You know
Speaker 2: with cam Ord. He's just got a real, real live arm.
Speaker 2: So that that's why I like that fit. Thank you.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Jonathan Alexander of the Houston Chronicle.
Speaker 9: D J, I'll preject you doing this.
Speaker 14: You know, the Sexans pick at number twenty five, obviously,
Speaker 14: and obviously they need guard defensive talk of wide receiver.
Speaker 14: Just considering the realistic expectations of what could be there,
Speaker 14: who would you consider be like a home run type
Speaker 14: of pick for them?
Speaker 2: Well, I's you mentioned the interior. The offensive line is
Speaker 2: someplace you can address. I think you can address that
Speaker 2: interior offensive line on, you know, later on in the draft.
Speaker 2: I think there is some depth along that interior. The
Speaker 2: two receivers that I just think were ready made to
Speaker 2: play there, and one of them is the obvious one
Speaker 2: is a Mecca a Buka because of his connection and
Speaker 2: history with CJ. Stroud, but can play inside, can play outside,
Speaker 2: just really really smart and instinctive and tough. I think
Speaker 2: he would make a lot of sense there. He's you know,
Speaker 2: there's there's two guys. When I look at the Houston Texans.
Speaker 2: It's a BUKA is for those exact same reasons that
Speaker 2: I mentioned, And then the exact same with Matthew Golden.
Speaker 2: You know, I have those guys right next to each
Speaker 2: other on my list, Matthew Golden. I think both these
Speaker 2: guys actually gonna run a lot faster than people think,
Speaker 2: but a lot of the same attributes. I've become kind
Speaker 2: of obsessed with receivers, with the thought and keeping an
Speaker 2: eye out for guys who are grounded through the catch,
Speaker 2: guys who really trust their hands and run through the ball.
Speaker 2: I just put more importance on that. You just see
Speaker 2: the really great receivers in the NFL have that trait,
Speaker 2: that quality, that confidence in their hands and allows them
Speaker 2: to do so much after the catch as well. So
Speaker 2: both those guys are grounded through the catch. Tough, smart,
Speaker 2: instinctive players that I think would be home run fits
Speaker 2: there with CJ. Stroud.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Brian Whacker of the Baltimore Sun.
Speaker 6: Hey, Daniel, thanks for doing this. Just stay a couple
Speaker 6: of quick questions. The Ravens.
Speaker 15: They've got eleven picks in the draft.
Speaker 6: You know, how do you sort of grade the overall
Speaker 6: quality of it? Depth, wise.
Speaker 15: And then secondly, is this a draft that they don't
Speaker 15: trade up very often? But you know, is it a
Speaker 15: draft where you could see maybe trading up in the
Speaker 15: first round to take maybe an edge rusher like a
Speaker 15: jail And Walk or Mike Green or somebody who can
Speaker 15: have that kind of immediate impact edge rusher wise, a
Speaker 15: position they've kind of struggled with in those in those
Speaker 15: middle rounds. Finding those guys.
Speaker 2: Well, I one of the things you look at with
Speaker 2: the Ravens is because they amass all these picks and
Speaker 2: because they've played the comp game, you know better than
Speaker 2: anybody else in the NFL, is you have options. So
Speaker 2: if you absolutely fall in love with one of those
Speaker 2: edge rushers, yeah, they have the ammunition to do it.
Speaker 2: I just don't necessarily think you have to. I think
Speaker 2: there's a lot of depth along the defensive front, not
Speaker 2: just edge rushers, but detackles. If they want to be patient,
Speaker 2: I think one comes to them. You know, Shamar Stewart
Speaker 2: is someone that I paired up with them who's just
Speaker 2: got a ton of twitch and a ton of ability
Speaker 2: out of Texas A and M. I think his best
Speaker 2: football is ahead of him. Even someone like Donovan Isaku
Speaker 2: from Boston College kind of fits what they like in rushers.
Speaker 2: He's real long, he's firm, he's got some power, and
Speaker 2: he's got a lot of production. So and we can
Speaker 2: go on in the day too, like they're gonna there's
Speaker 2: gonna be edge rushers there. The one thing you know,
Speaker 2: my ears perked up thinking about them moving up was
Speaker 2: with your question, was maybe an offensive tackle depending on
Speaker 2: what happens with Ronnie Stanley. You know, if Ronnie Stanley
Speaker 2: were to depart in free agency and you know, say
Speaker 2: it's a Simmons or someone like that that they that
Speaker 2: they really like and have a high grade on. It's
Speaker 2: there's not a lot of depth of starting tackle caliber
Speaker 2: players in this draft, so that would be more in
Speaker 2: line with my thinking there. Okay, thank you, yep.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Martin Frank of the Delaware News Journal.
Speaker 16: Hey, Daniel, appreciate you doing this as always well. Problem
Speaker 16: when you're looking at the Eagles at number thirty two
Speaker 16: as far as their pick is concerned, you know, it
Speaker 16: seems like they have like quite a few needs and everything,
Speaker 16: but is there also a chance they could trade out
Speaker 16: of that of that pick and what do you think
Speaker 16: the possibilities would be for that.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't rule anything out with Howie you know, and
Speaker 2: you know, go in either direction. But there they're rosters
Speaker 2: in such great shape and we'll see what happens with
Speaker 2: free agency. You got some some key guys there, but
Speaker 2: they have so much roster depth, and they're you know,
Speaker 2: traditionally a big line of scrimmage team in the draft,
Speaker 2: and this is a draft especially as I mentioned on
Speaker 2: the defense side, that's there's depth and quality there, so
Speaker 2: they could if somebody wants to jump up, I can
Speaker 2: easily see them sliding back and trying to get some
Speaker 2: more shots at it here on day two. I think
Speaker 2: there's a lot of value in Day two in this
Speaker 2: year's draft class, So that would be that would be
Speaker 2: more likely to me than moving north. I think would
Speaker 2: be moving south. But again, don't rule anything out with them,
Speaker 2: and one in doubt, just sit there and wait for
Speaker 2: some uber talented, you know, Georgia Alabama player to kind
Speaker 2: of fall down into their lap. Thank you, all right,
Speaker 2: let's take a quick break. We'll be right back with
Speaker 2: the rest of this year's NFL scouting Combine conference call.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Bob mcmannumn of the Arizona Republic.
Speaker 7: Hey Daniel, thank you for doing this. Question is about
Speaker 7: the Cardinals obviously here I know sixteen where you've got
Speaker 7: a lot of guys kind of in that area. But
Speaker 7: I'm more curious about maybe three guys you really like
Speaker 7: that could be available at forty seven, maybe whether their
Speaker 7: defense or not. But I could see them doubling down
Speaker 7: on two defensive players.
Speaker 2: Yeah, forty seven. I mean I still think again with
Speaker 2: the edg rusherscifically, which is a big need for that
Speaker 2: for that football team. As you know, just third down
Speaker 2: pressure rate two areas indicate you know they've got some
Speaker 2: work to do there. So if you're looking in that
Speaker 2: range you're talking about, you know, Jack Sawyer from Ohio
Speaker 2: State comes into the mix there, who's kind of a
Speaker 2: real physical, rugged edgresher who can also really set the edge.
Speaker 2: Land and Jackson from Arkansas had a monster Senior Bowl
Speaker 2: and he's you know, six ' five and changed two
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy three pounds. He can he can really
Speaker 2: rush with that long arm, physical, he can close, he
Speaker 2: can run, he plays with the effort. Those are a
Speaker 2: couple guys, and I would say Prince Uman Milayan, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna get that right when we get to the combine,
Speaker 2: so forgive me, but at an old mess. He is
Speaker 2: another one who popped at the Senior Bowl. Real long,
Speaker 2: bendi athletic, he can really cover ground, so he's again
Speaker 2: there's no shortage of edge rushers, especially in that that's
Speaker 2: kind of almost a sweet spot where I like that
Speaker 2: lump of players.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Stu Jackson of the Rams dot Com.
Speaker 17: Hey, DJ, just looking at the Rams at twenty six,
Speaker 17: do you see sticking and picking as the best option
Speaker 17: for them or in order to address their needs? Would
Speaker 17: trading back and trying to accumulate more shots in the
Speaker 17: top one hundred and make more sense based on what
Speaker 17: you think their needs.
Speaker 2: Well, Less has done such a good job, you know,
Speaker 2: and that and that range, and so getting out of
Speaker 2: there and collecting extra picks, I'm all for that, especially
Speaker 2: when you kind of look at the the direction that
Speaker 2: they could be looking, you know, the tackle. I wouldn't
Speaker 2: feel as confident of what you're going to get if
Speaker 2: you trade back. But there's still a need for for
Speaker 2: corners receivers. They could they could pluck a tight end.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's that's good position groups there on day two,
Speaker 2: So you know, if they were to slide back a
Speaker 2: little bit and collect some more resources there. I've got
Speaker 2: a lot of respect and appreciation for their ability to
Speaker 2: scout and find guys there, so that would that would
Speaker 2: definitely make sense to me.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Nix Sus of the Tennessee and.
Speaker 18: Hey, Daniel, you mentioned at the top that you wouldn't
Speaker 18: necessarily see the Titans moving past three, or you wouldn't
Speaker 18: advocate for them moving past three. I'm just curious what
Speaker 18: your opinion would be on what a reasonable hall would
Speaker 18: be for moving if you're only moving one or two
Speaker 18: picks back.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I'd have to pull up the comps on it.
Speaker 2: I don't have it in front of me right now.
Speaker 2: But it does vary in terms of, you know, what
Speaker 2: what the overall feel is on the class and how
Speaker 2: how much they want to move out. I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: sure they'll have opportunities to slide back a little bit
Speaker 2: if they, you know, if they want to. I just
Speaker 2: don't know if this is going to be the traditional
Speaker 2: hall that you've seen for some of these other years
Speaker 2: where you had, you know, like the and I know
Speaker 2: obviously Caleb Williams was a little further to travel there,
Speaker 2: But in previous years, I just think there's been a
Speaker 2: higher opinion overall in the quarterback class, which drives price.
Speaker 2: So to move back to three, I mean you're getting
Speaker 2: you know, you're getting an extra you know, getting next
Speaker 2: year's one. I guess you start there, But in terms
Speaker 2: of how much on top of that, I don't know
Speaker 2: that you get traditional costs and prices This year got
Speaker 2: thank you.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Eric Dalala of Denver Broncos dot Com.
Speaker 4: ADJ. Sean Payton's talked about wanting to find this joker player,
Speaker 4: whether it's a tight end in the receiving game or
Speaker 4: running back that has that potential out of the backfield.
Speaker 4: I know you had Loveland in the first round, but
Speaker 4: any day two guys that you think could kind of
Speaker 4: fit that mold if they decide to go somewhere else
Speaker 4: in the first round.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some fun ones, and I you know, it
Speaker 2: got a lot of people I like myself. I think
Speaker 2: looking around, going, okay, who would you classify in that
Speaker 2: department as mismatch type players? So if I'm going to
Speaker 2: go running backs and they are picking at fifty one
Speaker 2: and eighty five, so if I'm just looking at some
Speaker 2: running backs that I think are mismatch type players. Jayden
Speaker 2: Blue in the past game out of Texas, Like he's
Speaker 2: a legit four three guy, and they use him on
Speaker 2: a bunch of different ways in the past game, you know,
Speaker 2: angle routes, he can snap guys off, he can run
Speaker 2: up the seam, even just getting him the ball on
Speaker 2: the flat. With his speed, He's just he's a weapon.
Speaker 2: So that one to me, I don't think you'd have
Speaker 2: to take him in the second I think you could,
Speaker 2: you know, get him in the third round. But that
Speaker 2: was one when I was thinking about, you know, how
Speaker 2: they would use guys. That was one that definitely popped
Speaker 2: into my head from the running back position.
Speaker 19: R J.
Speaker 2: Harvey is another one at a Central Florida who's you
Speaker 2: know compact. He's you know five, he's under five eighties,
Speaker 2: two hundred and seven pounds. But when I watched him,
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, who does he remind me of?
Speaker 2: This guy's like a mix of Devonte Freeman and Tarik Cohen,
Speaker 2: Like he's he's that type of just fast, load of
Speaker 2: the ground, shifty is just going to be a nightmare,
Speaker 2: and they use him on wheel routes, they get him
Speaker 2: the ball in the pass game as well, So I
Speaker 2: thought him, you know, those are kind of outside the
Speaker 2: second round, some fun mismatch tight players. And then from
Speaker 2: the tight end standpoint, I think Fannin is a good
Speaker 2: one from Bowling Green who's a little bit undersized, just
Speaker 2: over six three, he's just under two hundred and forty pounds,
Speaker 2: but he's he's just got a real knack for it,
Speaker 2: a real feel for it, creating separation. He kind of
Speaker 2: reminds me it's sec religious to say it because he's
Speaker 2: now going into the Hall of Fame, but he's like
Speaker 2: a Minnie Antonio Gates just with his movements, just how
Speaker 2: he kind of moves around. It's kind of a unique
Speaker 2: movement style that he has. But your question like, how
Speaker 2: fast is this guy? And then you watch Penn State
Speaker 2: and you watch Texas A and M and he's just
Speaker 2: kind of running away from everybody and creating a bunch
Speaker 2: of big plays. So I think you'd have to take
Speaker 2: him in the second round. I don't think he would
Speaker 2: be there in the third round, but he's he's definitely
Speaker 2: a fun mismatch guy.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Rus Franklin of NJ dot Com.
Speaker 20: Hey Daniel, thanks for doing this again. The Eagles have
Speaker 20: Zach Bond, Makai Becton, Josh Swat heading the free agency,
Speaker 20: and if they can't sign any of those guys, who
Speaker 20: do you think will be a good spot around at
Speaker 20: thirty two or even in the top of the second
Speaker 20: round that could either I vic Fangio's scheme or could
Speaker 20: be quote unquote stubtlan guy if perspected.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let's let's go to the offensive line first
Speaker 2: of all. So if I'm looking at the interior offensive line,
Speaker 2: you know, there's some interest to me that the no
Speaker 2: brainer would be greats able if he was there from
Speaker 2: North Dakota State because he has the versatility, and I
Speaker 2: think that's one of the underrated aspects of what the
Speaker 2: Eagles have done. But talks about how big they are
Speaker 2: and in physical and all that stuff, But look at
Speaker 2: the number of guys on that offensive line that have
Speaker 2: cross trained at different positions. You mentioned Beck then coming
Speaker 2: in from a tackle to a guard. Landon Dickerson can
Speaker 2: play any of those spots inside. Jurgens played guard and
Speaker 2: play center lane if you needed him to, I think
Speaker 2: kick over to the left in a heartbeat. But Zabel
Speaker 2: to me out of North Dakota State, he's got legit
Speaker 2: five position flex. I think he's he's better off kicking inside.
Speaker 2: If Beck then were to leave, I think he's plug
Speaker 2: and play year one at the guard spot. So that
Speaker 2: one I like a lot Miles Frasier outside that when
Speaker 2: you get into day two from LSU, he's got size
Speaker 2: over six five, he's three hundred and twenty four pounds.
Speaker 2: I just think he knows how to play. He's he's
Speaker 2: played some outside as well, but he's definitely going to
Speaker 2: be a guard. But he's got some power, some torque,
Speaker 2: and some turn to him, So that one would be
Speaker 2: that one would definitely be a match there. And then
Speaker 2: when you look at linebackers, it's not a great off
Speaker 2: the ball linebacker year if and how he's you know,
Speaker 2: he's not going to take a linebacker in the first round.
Speaker 2: But if you know, somehow Johan Campbell were to get there,
Speaker 2: I can't imagine he would, but that is a you know,
Speaker 2: he's a rangey, versatile athletic dude who can play off
Speaker 2: the ball, you can play on the ball. He can
Speaker 2: run like crazy. He's got a bunch of upside as
Speaker 2: a rusher too, So that would be one there, and
Speaker 2: then you know, some of the linebackers as you get
Speaker 2: beyond that. I like Poop Paul from Ole Miss, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe third round, Cody Simon, same out of Ohio State,
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Bossa Oregon, Barrett Carter Clemson like that. That group
Speaker 2: of guys to me is kind of in that third
Speaker 2: round range. Thank you, yep.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Joe Rudder of the Pittsburgh Tribune Review.
Speaker 21: Yeah, Hi, Daniel, I know in your two marks you've
Speaker 21: had the Steelers taking offense in the first round if
Speaker 21: they weren't address the defensive line, which is getting older.
Speaker 21: What kind of player at twenty one you could potentially
Speaker 21: see being there the Fitzer style?
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're looking at pick twenty one for the Steelers,
Speaker 2: I mean, gosh, Michael Williams would be a lot of fun,
Speaker 2: just because the physicality, require set in the edge, all
Speaker 2: that stuff. He checks that box and I think he's
Speaker 2: got so much upside as a rusher. I don't anticipate
Speaker 2: he'll be there at that point in time. Him and
Speaker 2: Mike Green are probably both gone, but either one of
Speaker 2: those picks would be you know, to me, home runs.
Speaker 2: Shamar Stewart is raw as can be, as we as
Speaker 2: we talked about a little bit earlier. But man, there's
Speaker 2: a lot to work with, and I just I can't
Speaker 2: imagine with someone with his physical gifts that he has
Speaker 2: getting a chance to learn from TJ. Golly. That would
Speaker 2: be fun if he were to get where he's capable
Speaker 2: of getting talent wise. You know, there's there's a lot
Speaker 2: in his body. So they'll they'll have options if they
Speaker 2: if they want to go with an edge rusher, they're
Speaker 2: going to have someone there that's worthy of that pick.
Speaker 2: They're not going to have to reach if that's truly
Speaker 2: the position that they wish to address.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Andrew Kramer of Minnesota Star Tribune.
Speaker 22: Hey, DJ, thanks for doing this. I want to ask
Speaker 22: you about the Vikings of twenty four. You've got them
Speaker 22: taken a run back. Why do you think the running
Speaker 22: back run isn't going to start until the twenties this
Speaker 22: time around? And then if they don't go running back,
Speaker 22: what other kind of positions do you consider for them
Speaker 22: at that spot?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's hard to figure out when the
Speaker 2: run is going to go, and just to be totally
Speaker 2: honest everybody. I kind of wanted to have some fun
Speaker 2: with that too, with Ashton gent in a scenario where
Speaker 2: he can kind of fall down a little bit. Ashton
Speaker 2: Genty is my third player in the draft, so I
Speaker 2: am a huge believer in his I think he is
Speaker 2: extremely high floor to go along with an extremely high ceiling.
Speaker 2: Who's a I think he's a special, special player. That
Speaker 2: the interesting part is, and just a lot of this
Speaker 2: comes from talking to people around the league, is because
Speaker 2: of the depth of the class, and it's really it's
Speaker 2: really good that, man, if you have multiple needs, maybe
Speaker 2: you could see a scenario where teams are gonna punt
Speaker 2: on running backs early and then just know that I
Speaker 2: still got some options there on Day two. And that's
Speaker 2: with the full appreciation that there is there is more
Speaker 2: love for running backs around the league after this last
Speaker 2: season with all those free agents. You know, all the
Speaker 2: leading rushers in the league were all free agents that
Speaker 2: showed their value. And then we've seen with some of
Speaker 2: these young backs in the league what they've done, led
Speaker 2: by Jamir Gibbs. But that's that's why I went running
Speaker 2: back with the Minnesota Vikings, because I just think they
Speaker 2: saw they saw you know, inside their division, what what
Speaker 2: you had with you know what, Jamir Gibbs and Man,
Speaker 2: that would be an explosive, explosive player to add to
Speaker 2: their mix. So if Minnesota didn't go in that direction,
Speaker 2: and I look at some of their other needs, interior,
Speaker 2: offensive line would be one, corner would be another. If
Speaker 2: you just look at a corner position. If we're looking
Speaker 2: at guys that could potentially be fits and options there,
Speaker 2: I think Azariah Thomas from Florida State would be in
Speaker 2: the mix. And I think you're going to start hearing
Speaker 2: a lot more about Maxwell Harriston after the combine from Kentucky.
Speaker 2: He's a really good player. I think he's got a
Speaker 2: chance to go in the first round.
Speaker 3: Next questioniness from Dave Burkett of the Detroit Free Press.
Speaker 23: Dave, Hey, DJ, I appreciate your time on these as
Speaker 23: always a little two part question for you. I guess
Speaker 23: there's a lot of teams sort of at the back
Speaker 23: around one that have been rumored to be, you know,
Speaker 23: maybe potential suitors for Miles Garrett or some of those
Speaker 23: other pass rushers if they come out deep drafted defensive
Speaker 23: line obviously, So can you walk me through the pluses
Speaker 23: and minuses of making a deal, and then obviously for
Speaker 23: a team like the Lions, if they didn't, if they
Speaker 23: decided to use their picks on defensive line help, who
Speaker 23: are some guys that you could see fitting them at
Speaker 23: twenty eight?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that was a team that made the
Speaker 2: most sense for me with Miles Garrett was Detroit just
Speaker 2: because a if they ever are comfortable with moving them,
Speaker 2: which it sounds like at this point they are not,
Speaker 2: but if they are comfortable to me, you get them
Speaker 2: outside the conference and he goes to Detroit. Detroit has
Speaker 2: you know, the roster that's ready to win right now,
Speaker 2: ready to win a championship, and that could be a
Speaker 2: finishing piece. So you know, I would be I'd be
Speaker 2: willing to be pretty aggressive. I think if I were
Speaker 2: Brad Holmes on that front, knowing that that could that
Speaker 2: could bring a parade to my city, I would be
Speaker 2: aggressive and do whatever I had to do and try
Speaker 2: and make something like that happen. So I would just
Speaker 2: have to see if it, you know, if it's a
Speaker 2: legit possibility. Everything talking to people, you know, as of
Speaker 2: later around the league, the expectation is now he's not
Speaker 2: you know, they're not going to move him. He's not
Speaker 2: going to go anywhere, so we'll see what happens. If
Speaker 2: you're looking at edge rushers for where they're picking at
Speaker 2: pick number twenty eight, you know, you start getting into
Speaker 2: you know, James Pierce, he could you know, he's gonna
Speaker 2: be interesting one. He could go in the top fifteen,
Speaker 2: he could go bottom of one, he could go top
Speaker 2: of two. Like, there's a wide range on him. He's
Speaker 2: a lean, skinny rusher, but he has got a ton
Speaker 2: of juice and explosiveness. He really knows how to rush.
Speaker 2: His first three steps are pretty dynamics. So that would
Speaker 2: be one we'll see in the mix there. Again, I've
Speaker 2: mentioned some of these names before, but Shamar Stewart will
Speaker 2: see what happens with him. That would be another one
Speaker 2: I think could could factor in for them if they're
Speaker 2: looking for edge rushers. But you can get them all
Speaker 2: throughout the draft. You can find them, you know, especially
Speaker 2: day two. There's a lot of other good options there
Speaker 2: for rushers.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Next question is for Matthew Parus of the New Orleans
Speaker 3: Time Pecune.
Speaker 24: Hey, Daniel, thanks for doing this.
Speaker 2: Just curious.
Speaker 24: You've talked a lot about the depth with the defensive line.
Speaker 24: But could you talk about the the overall the quality
Speaker 24: like the quality of the high end edge rushers and
Speaker 24: specifically for the Saints at number nine, just some keew
Speaker 24: options for them there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, while Abdul Carter's gone, Jalen Carter, if he's there,
Speaker 2: I would I would run the card up if if
Speaker 2: you had an opportunity to get him. I just think
Speaker 2: he makes all the sense in the world for him
Speaker 2: and he's just so dynamic and not only just with
Speaker 2: the talent that he brings. I think in year one
Speaker 2: with Kellen Moore, I think having someone like that who's
Speaker 2: gonna he's gonna take your message and spread it around. Uh,
Speaker 2: he's that type of dude. So that one me would
Speaker 2: be a home run. And then you know, I think
Speaker 2: Michael Williams is the next one that would be, you know,
Speaker 2: a worthy candidate for where that where that slot is.
Speaker 2: And I think he's another one. Maybe a little patient
Speaker 2: with him, but it's all in there and the upside
Speaker 2: is tremendous. So I think all those guys are are
Speaker 2: Both those guys would be you know, legit options and
Speaker 2: uh would provide some serious juice to a pass rush.
Speaker 2: So that's that's going to be curious to me is
Speaker 2: what direction they go position wise, because I just think
Speaker 2: Kellen Moore, coming off of the year he had and
Speaker 2: seeing the value in the trenches and you know what
Speaker 2: they had in Philadelphia, I'd just be surprised if they
Speaker 2: went anywhere outside O line D line.
Speaker 24: Did you mean Walker instead of Carter?
Speaker 2: By the way, Oh, yeah, yeah, sorry, Jalen Walker. Sorry yeah,
Speaker 2: I got so many games Jalen Walker, Jalen Carter. I've
Speaker 2: got there's fifty five Georgia, Jalen's and Carters. I feel like.
Speaker 3: My next question is from Janat of the Athletic.
Speaker 25: Hi, Daniel, thanks for doing this. I'm Jana with the Athletic.
Speaker 25: I had a little bit of a broader question for
Speaker 25: you for leading up to the combine. You know, last
Speaker 25: year we saw some of those elite prospects sitting out
Speaker 25: of drills. Do you see that trend continuing? And how
Speaker 25: has the way teams view and analyze the combine changed
Speaker 25: throughout the years.
Speaker 2: Oh, I appreciate that. That's a good question. I think
Speaker 2: you're going to continue to see it. I think especially
Speaker 2: with guys who have a long track record that have
Speaker 2: you know, I've played well. I've been viewed as kind
Speaker 2: of top ten picks for an extended period of time,
Speaker 2: and they have all the tape that's out there, and
Speaker 2: teams have the GPS information. So that's the case that
Speaker 2: they'll present as to why they're not going to, you know,
Speaker 2: to be active at the combine. So I think that's
Speaker 2: something that we'll continue to see with the top tier players.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to spread all the way through.
Speaker 2: I don't. I think it's an opportunity for a lot
Speaker 2: of these guys to compete, and a lot of these
Speaker 2: guys still really want to do that. And if you're
Speaker 2: not a lock in terms of your positioning, there's still
Speaker 2: is a belief you can go out there and help yourself.
Speaker 2: So I still think there's there's a there's value in it.
Speaker 2: I think certain positions may be more value than others.
Speaker 2: I've said this over the years, but I've always felt
Speaker 2: like the corners have the most opportunity to help themselves
Speaker 2: at the combine. You know, they they run well, they
Speaker 2: move well, that that can answer a lot of questions
Speaker 2: and can can help guys maybe more so than any
Speaker 2: other position. So yeah, I do think you'll see it.
Speaker 2: I know, Uh, there's a there's a growing trend there
Speaker 2: of not doing some of the psychological testing in those things. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think that's going to go back
Speaker 2: to where it was. I think you'll see more and
Speaker 2: more people that are going to probably opt out of
Speaker 2: that in the future. And uh, you know it's there's
Speaker 2: enough information and resources out there for teams to be
Speaker 2: able to figure this thing out without all that, So
Speaker 2: I don't think that's that big a deal.
Speaker 26: Thanks.
Speaker 3: Next question is from John Glennon of the Nashville Post.
Speaker 27: Hey, Daniel, thanks for your time touching back on the
Speaker 27: on the Titans there at number one again, well kind
Speaker 27: of a I guess a devil's advocate approach. I know
Speaker 27: you've got Abdul Carter going there, but if you're the Titans,
Speaker 27: a quarterback needy team, why not take a quarterback? You know,
Speaker 27: if you think he is better than what you have
Speaker 27: and you can win with him, and you don't know
Speaker 27: when you're next time, you know, thinking at number one
Speaker 27: or or close to it will be, can't you make
Speaker 27: a good case for taking a quarterback there?
Speaker 2: I think that's a great question and something I've been
Speaker 2: thinking a lot about and did some homework on it
Speaker 2: because I knew this would probably come up. But I
Speaker 2: still believe you can make a case Okay, he's better
Speaker 2: than what we have, But is that the Is that
Speaker 2: the marker? Because then I would say, well, if you're
Speaker 2: going to be right back, you know, two or three
Speaker 2: years from now, saying this isn't good enough, we need better,
Speaker 2: especially when you're in the AFC where we've got all
Speaker 2: these cyborg quarterbacks you have to compete with. If you don't,
Speaker 2: you don't want to draft somebody you're gonna have to
Speaker 2: replace within a couple of years just because he was
Speaker 2: a little bit better than the guy you had currently
Speaker 2: on your roster. And the pushback I get when I've
Speaker 2: said that is, yeah, you never know what you're going
Speaker 2: to be up there again. And so we looked it up,
Speaker 2: and you know, okay, the Bears were up there and
Speaker 2: they had a quarterback that was better than what they had,
Speaker 2: and they passed on it, and they turned around and
Speaker 2: got Caleb Williams the next year. There's teams that could
Speaker 2: have taken will Levis, the Commanders, the Patriots, the Vikings.
Speaker 2: They all passed. The Commanders come back and get Daniels,
Speaker 2: the Patriots come back get May, the Vikings come back
Speaker 2: get McCarthy. The Texans passed on Kenny Pickett twice. They
Speaker 2: got C. J. Stroud the next year. The Jags passed
Speaker 2: on Jordan Love. They got Trevor Lawrence the next year.
Speaker 2: The Bills passed on Mahomes. Now, obviously that's one that's
Speaker 2: worked out for both teams, maybe more so initially here
Speaker 2: from Kansas City, but they got Josh Allen the next year.
Speaker 2: So I do think there is some president there that
Speaker 2: you know that you can't just say he's five percent
Speaker 2: better than what we have, So we have to take
Speaker 2: that position. That's just my thoughts on it. And you
Speaker 2: know that's why you have to decide. Do you think
Speaker 2: do you envision with the quarterback you take at number
Speaker 2: one that he's going to be able to help your
Speaker 2: team compete against Mahomes, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 2: Justin Herbert, Like you need to have those honest conversations
Speaker 2: in the draft room. All right, let's take a quick break.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back with the rest of this year's
Speaker 2: NFL Scouting Combine Conference call.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Dan Whider of the Chicago Tribune
Speaker 3: and DJ. It's obviously offensive line season here in Chicago.
Speaker 28: So I wanted to ask you first about Calvin Banks,
Speaker 28: specifically at the tackle position, what you see in him,
Speaker 28: and then I would sable. I know you like his
Speaker 28: versutil but what are some of the things on his
Speaker 28: tape and his seniable performance that really jumped out at you?
Speaker 2: Sure? With Banks, just I love the fact that he's
Speaker 2: just He's three hundred and twenty pounds, He's thick, he's sturdy,
Speaker 2: he can bend, He's you know, athletic enough to really
Speaker 2: sink and bend, keeps his hands in tight. He plays
Speaker 2: with patients, you know. The stuff that he gets in
Speaker 2: trouble with is sometimes he sets a little bit deep
Speaker 2: and then he ends up getting in some trouble that
Speaker 2: way when he kind of creates more runways. So I
Speaker 2: think if he could be a little more, a little
Speaker 2: more firm and not getting quite as much depth in
Speaker 2: his set, that he'll he'll be able to solve that problem.
Speaker 2: And then in the run game, I just want to
Speaker 2: see him show a little bit more strain and finish,
Speaker 2: just a little bit more nasty to him in the
Speaker 2: run game. But he's a he's a good athlete. He's
Speaker 2: he's someone that I think can play. I think even
Speaker 2: though he's not the tallest scandalld, I still think he
Speaker 2: could hold up and play tackle no problem. And I
Speaker 2: think he could. I think he could be hell on
Speaker 2: wheels guard so that banks and then when you you
Speaker 2: look at Gray's abel man the week of practice, there
Speaker 2: were not many bad reps at all during the week
Speaker 2: of practice for him. In the game, he got on
Speaker 2: his edges a little bit and as he's kind of
Speaker 2: moving around playing all these different positions. But he's someone again,
Speaker 2: he's got really good balance, he's always under control, he's
Speaker 2: never on the ground. He's got strong hands, he's really aware,
Speaker 2: you know, in terms of seeing things and and picking
Speaker 2: things up. He's he's uh, he's just a he's a
Speaker 2: guy who's played a lot of football, who's polished and
Speaker 2: answered any of the smaller school so to speak questions
Speaker 2: at the Senior Bowl, even though North Dakota State has been,
Speaker 2: you know, a school that's pumped out a lot alignments.
Speaker 2: So I'm I'm a huge fan of his and I
Speaker 2: think he's he's definitely in the mix to go in
Speaker 2: the first round.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Ben Standing of the Athletic.
Speaker 29: Hey, Daniel, thanks for doing this for a team like Washington.
Speaker 29: They've got needs on both lines. But of course there's
Speaker 29: this push to get Jade Daniels more weapons. It always
Speaker 29: feels like when you have a quarterback like that, he
Speaker 29: can raise the level of receivers more than you have
Speaker 29: to like get him star receivers. If that If that
Speaker 29: kind of makes sense, So how do you kind of
Speaker 29: weigh that option, Like you have this quarterback, but you
Speaker 29: also need to get to build the line to help
Speaker 29: them get to the next level.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think it's arguments you can make
Speaker 2: on both sides of that, but I do I do
Speaker 2: agree though that quarterbacks elevate the play of others. And
Speaker 2: if you have you want to start, let's get him
Speaker 2: protected and let's keep him healthy and then let's, you know,
Speaker 2: let's let's be really good at scouting and evaluating players
Speaker 2: that we can find without premium resources, and let's let's, uh,
Speaker 2: let's surround them with some of those guys as well.
Speaker 2: I think there's once that that foundation and the offensive
Speaker 2: line is is built and steady, then I think you
Speaker 2: can now you can go shopping for some of the
Speaker 2: other things. Kind of always like use the analogy of man,
Speaker 2: you got to go shop at the hardware store before
Speaker 2: you go to the toy store. So I would I
Speaker 2: would continue to try and address that offensive line, not
Speaker 2: only so you know, we can run the ball better
Speaker 2: and we can do different things, but just to keep
Speaker 2: him upright and healthy. And I think you can. You know,
Speaker 2: Adam Peters is really good. You know, he's he's one
Speaker 2: of the best evaluators in the NFL, and he's been
Speaker 2: around a lot of good receivers throughout his career, especially
Speaker 2: the group that they had up there in San Francisco.
Speaker 2: So I'm confident he'll be able to find receivers without
Speaker 2: necessarily using the premium resources.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Cassidy Hill of Panthers dot Com.
Speaker 30: Hey, DJ, thanks for doing this. You had in your
Speaker 30: mock draft, you know the Walker coming here, but also
Speaker 30: kind of mentioned the idea of a trade back. I'm
Speaker 30: just wondering, when you're looking at a team.
Speaker 31: Like the Panthers that have so many needs across defense,
Speaker 31: is this a class that is deep enough to pass
Speaker 31: on a guy like Walker just to get more pieces.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it's a good discussion, and it's a
Speaker 2: good debate in the room. I mean, I don't think
Speaker 2: you want to do it just to get a fourth
Speaker 2: round pick, but I think if you can, you know,
Speaker 2: get some some quality resources, get another pick on day two.
Speaker 2: He's a great player, and I wouldn't have any criticism
Speaker 2: if they decide we're just going to stick and pick
Speaker 2: him and and go forward. But when you have this
Speaker 2: many holes, and this is a draft that does have
Speaker 2: a lot of talent and depth, you know, on the
Speaker 2: on the defensive front, you know, I'd be interested in
Speaker 2: that option. I'm not saying, you know that's the right
Speaker 2: or the wrong way to go. I just think, man,
Speaker 2: there's so many holes there, and you could fill a
Speaker 2: bunch of them if you could slide back a little bit. So,
Speaker 2: you know, I think that's that's a good debate and
Speaker 2: a good discussion. I could I could spend ten minutes
Speaker 2: and argue it each way, so they just have to
Speaker 2: see what they get. I definitely think you'd want to
Speaker 2: get a premium. I don't think you just do that
Speaker 2: just to go back and get an extra pick when
Speaker 2: I get.
Speaker 32: Called on which you happened in any second now or not,
Speaker 32: Let's see.
Speaker 3: Next question is from David Ferones of the Fort Lauderdale
Speaker 3: Sun Sentinel.
Speaker 33: Nope, Hi, DJ, thanks thanks for doing this. I saw
Speaker 33: you went Tyler Booker to the Dolphins at thirteen in
Speaker 33: your latest mock beyond the obvious needed guard for Miami.
Speaker 33: Why him? And how many different paths could you see
Speaker 33: the Dolphins going with that pick, considering Chris Greer likes
Speaker 33: to go for his best player available and not necessarily
Speaker 33: by need early in a draft where they do have
Speaker 33: ten picks to address needs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think he's a perfect marriage of need
Speaker 2: and fit and value. So you know, Booker, to me
Speaker 2: is one of the more consistent players that I've watched
Speaker 2: in this class. He's big, he's powerful, He's someone that
Speaker 2: when you talk to the folks at Alabama, they just
Speaker 2: rave about him. In terms of the work ethic, the
Speaker 2: leadership of someone that told me he was like the
Speaker 2: Will Anderson of their offense. In terms of the leadership,
Speaker 2: someone had been around there for a while. So I
Speaker 2: think all those things considered, I think you have somebody
Speaker 2: who's really really firm and pass pro with Tua. I
Speaker 2: think the interior that offensive line being firm is very important.
Speaker 2: So That's one that I just thought was a you know,
Speaker 2: just a home run pick for them in terms of
Speaker 2: all those factors coming together. That's why that one made
Speaker 2: a lot of sense to me. You know, defensive tackle
Speaker 2: could be an area they could go as well. And
Speaker 2: there's you know, there's no shortage of defensive tackles that
Speaker 2: are intriguing in this draft. I mentioned them a little
Speaker 2: bit earlier, you know, with Kenneth Grant, that would be
Speaker 2: that would be a fun one to throw into their
Speaker 2: mix as well, just as someone who is already dominant
Speaker 2: against the run, but somebody I think's got a lot
Speaker 2: of upside as a rusher and someone who, you know,
Speaker 2: if they can stay healthy on the edges, someone who
Speaker 2: benefit those guys just because he's gonna he's gonna take
Speaker 2: away the escape patch. Just his ability to push the
Speaker 2: pocket even as he's growing and developing and evolving as
Speaker 2: a rusher, I know he can do that. He can
Speaker 2: put his hands in chest and walk you back and
Speaker 2: take away the escape route as those dreshers get home.
Speaker 2: So that'd be another one I think that would would
Speaker 2: make a lot of sense there.
Speaker 34: Thanks.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Tim Bilick of Cleveland dot Com.
Speaker 35: Daniel, thanks again for doing this. It's kind of a
Speaker 35: quick two part when it comes to the quarterbacks. Obviously
Speaker 35: this isn't as strong a QB class as twenty twenty four,
Speaker 35: likely not to get more than two or maybe three
Speaker 35: qbs in there. I guess Part one is how would
Speaker 35: cam Warden should Ur Sanders fit if you stack them
Speaker 35: compared to last year's guys as far as the top six?
Speaker 2: And then if you're a team like the Browns a
Speaker 2: number two, how much.
Speaker 35: Does the idea of taking the idea of seiling variants
Speaker 35: like cam over the higher ceiling shoulder with a lower
Speaker 35: higher floor. How much do you think that should weigh
Speaker 35: into a decision if you're a team like the Titans
Speaker 35: or the Browns of the Giants and say you have
Speaker 35: a choice between both guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's the age old debate, right you know,
Speaker 2: do you want you want safe and floor or do
Speaker 2: you want you know, kind of exciting and upside. I
Speaker 2: always feel like again for the same reasons I've mentioned
Speaker 2: referenced earlier, it's just that the high level of quarterback play,
Speaker 2: particularly in the AFC right now, I just man, it's
Speaker 2: hard to it's hard to you know, go with the
Speaker 2: floor instead of the ceiling there and know, hey, if
Speaker 2: we go with the ceiling, and you know, we can
Speaker 2: hopefully have enough a rope to come around and try
Speaker 2: and go get another one at some point in time.
Speaker 2: I mean, nothing's guaranteed, but that's my I always tend
Speaker 2: to be a little bit more. Let's chase the upside
Speaker 2: a little bit when we're up there. So that's the
Speaker 2: direction I would go. When you look at this group
Speaker 2: compared to last year. I just pull up my list
Speaker 2: from last year. I had him. I had cam Ward
Speaker 2: with the same grade as bow Nicks, so that would
Speaker 2: put him behind those top four for me, so he'd be,
Speaker 2: you know, kind of in that fifth fifth range. And
Speaker 2: Michael Pennix. I had just slightly a head of Shador,
Speaker 2: So Shador would be behind those guys, behind Caleb Drake,
Speaker 2: Jaden McCarthy, Nix, Pennix. Then I would have shaudor right
Speaker 2: behind that group. Thanks a bunch.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Ryan Mink of Baltimore Ravens dot com.
Speaker 34: Yeah, thanks for doing this, DJ.
Speaker 36: Just curious, how do you see the cornerbacks and safety classes.
Speaker 36: I know last year had a ton of depth at
Speaker 36: corner especially a lot of guys went high. How do
Speaker 36: you see that at the front end of that group,
Speaker 36: and then the depth there, can the Ravens find a
Speaker 36: plug and play starter if they don't bring Brandon Stevens back.
Speaker 36: And then similarly at safety, you know the Ravens are
Speaker 36: kind of looking for a potential starter there or at
Speaker 36: least the third safety.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a little deeper at corner than
Speaker 2: safety this year. And if we're you know, looking at
Speaker 2: the Ravens, if we look where they're picking on day two,
Speaker 2: like fifty nine, ninety one, fifty nine, I look at
Speaker 2: somebody like Trey Amos from Old miss That would be
Speaker 2: someone I think would be a really interesting fit for them.
Speaker 2: Perish from from Kansas State, who you know, I think
Speaker 2: could play inside, can play outside. Those are some intriguing players.
Speaker 2: Quincy Riley from Louisville would be in that like third
Speaker 2: round Range is a good one who who kind of
Speaker 2: plays with a little bit of that edge that they
Speaker 2: like there in Baltimore. So those are some of the
Speaker 2: corners when you look at the safety group, second round
Speaker 2: safeties that I know at late first round, by the way,
Speaker 2: South Carolina's Nick Amblin Warrey. If he was there, I
Speaker 2: would I would turn the card in. I think he'd
Speaker 2: be a fun player for them to play with. Just
Speaker 2: he's big, he's physical, plays more near the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 2: He's he makes a lot of plays buzzing underneath the ball,
Speaker 2: and he's a physical, firm tackler, and you know, he's
Speaker 2: an aggressive, aggressive dude. I would be excited about that
Speaker 2: at the end of the first round and then when
Speaker 2: you start getting into the second, third round at the
Speaker 2: safety position, and I really like Jalen Reid from Penn
Speaker 2: State who's two hundred and twelve pounds and can run it.
Speaker 2: Just plays plays really really well timing and versus a blitzer,
Speaker 2: he can play the ball. Third round wise Ransom from
Speaker 2: Ohio State, Makubum from Texas, Billy Bowman from Oklahoma. So
Speaker 2: those are some of the names of those guys. But
Speaker 2: I would say in terms of the depth of it,
Speaker 2: I feel I feel like you're getting a little bit
Speaker 2: longer group there at the corner group.
Speaker 34: Thanks DJ.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Bill Huber of on SidJ.
Speaker 2: How you doing doing great?
Speaker 7: Good Air.
Speaker 37: I appreciate your time on this. You probably heard Josh
Speaker 37: Jacobs at the Super Bowl. Talking about the Packers need
Speaker 37: a number one receiver, I'm not sure, not sure that
Speaker 37: guys available and free agency, they don't pick receivers in
Speaker 37: the first and you kind of hit on those guys anyway.
Speaker 37: But Green Bay has had a sweet spot in the
Speaker 37: second round at receiver of kind of who do you
Speaker 37: like there, and whether it's earlier or late, who do
Speaker 37: you like is a kind of a big play guy
Speaker 37: with some John Gaska, but a guy who can actually
Speaker 37: play with some big playability.
Speaker 2: Sure, I think somebody's mic is opened, by the way.
Speaker 2: So when we when we look at the green Bay Packers,
Speaker 2: you know, first of all, with where they're picking, pull
Speaker 2: their number up here, they are picking fifty four. So
Speaker 2: at fifty four, you're looking for a big play wide receiver.
Speaker 2: You know, Trey Harris is a good all around receiver
Speaker 2: out of Old Miss. I think that's about the range
Speaker 2: where you're going to see this clump here with Trey
Speaker 2: Harris from Old Miss, Jaden Higgins from Iowa State, Jack
Speaker 2: Besh from TCU. All those guys are big. Trey Harris
Speaker 2: is almost six to two, Higgins is almost six ' four,
Speaker 2: Jack Beck's you know, six to one and a quarter
Speaker 2: two hundred and fourteen pounds. Those guys are all kind
Speaker 2: of in that in that range of the draft. Tory
Speaker 2: Horton is another one from Colorado of state who's going
Speaker 2: to be around that range. All those guys are big,
Speaker 2: All those guys can make plays down the field. All
Speaker 2: those guys are going to work out well in the
Speaker 2: red zone. They're going to be point producers. So that's
Speaker 2: a good clump there of wide outs that I think
Speaker 2: would make some sense if they wanted to go with
Speaker 2: a little more of the compact explosive player in that mix,
Speaker 2: which I think they they already possess. But to me,
Speaker 2: you look at at Jalen Ole from from Iowa State,
Speaker 2: who's going to put on a show with the combine
Speaker 2: he's he is really really explosive, and he can play inside.
Speaker 2: I think even as an undersized player, he could play outside.
Speaker 2: And then Jalen Royals from Utah State, who's who's got,
Speaker 2: you know, a real compact two and ten pounds actually
Speaker 2: kind of looks like Randall Cobb to kind of go
Speaker 2: back in the old school there. But there's there's a
Speaker 2: there's a good clump of receivers there in that second
Speaker 2: round range. And as you mentioned, they've done a great
Speaker 2: job of identifying those guys.
Speaker 37: Thanks appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 3: Next question is from James Crapa of The Oregon.
Speaker 38: J What in your perspective on three of Oregon's guys
Speaker 38: starting with Connerly and Harmon and Birch? And I know
Speaker 38: you've mocked Connorley into the first, but where Harmon and
Speaker 38: Birch fall in your projection so far?
Speaker 2: Sure, I actually have Harmon even over him on my
Speaker 2: list personally, but he's Harmon's just really disruptive. He's got
Speaker 2: quick hands. He just lives under the side of the
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage. He's really instinctive, he's aware, he knows
Speaker 2: where blocks are coming from, and he gets he gets
Speaker 2: up the field. So he's he's a fun, fun player.
Speaker 2: I want to see him use power a little bit more.
Speaker 2: He flashes it, it's all in there. But I'd love
Speaker 2: to see him play into his power a little bit more.
Speaker 2: But I think he's bottom one, top of two type.
Speaker 2: Pick Connery. He's just you know, he's got that you know,
Speaker 2: sturdy frame, long arms, he's real patient, he's got quick feet.
Speaker 2: The issue with him is just going to be he's
Speaker 2: not a great bender, and that's how you can kind
Speaker 2: of get caught like he did. And the clip that
Speaker 2: got sent around from Mike Green at the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 2: so that's gonna be something he's gonna have to continue
Speaker 2: to work through. It's just it's just getting a little
Speaker 2: bit lower, bending a little bit better. And then similarly
Speaker 2: to Banks, as I was talking about earlier, just a
Speaker 2: little more strain and finish in the run game. But
Speaker 2: you know, the greade I gave him puts him kind
Speaker 2: of bottom one, top of two in that range. And
Speaker 2: then Birch was the other one who's an interesting player
Speaker 2: to watch just because he's so big, but he's kind
Speaker 2: of more of a finesse player than a real physical player.
Speaker 2: No real violent guy, but he's nifty, he's got you know,
Speaker 2: plays with that long arm move. He's got a real
Speaker 2: steady bull rush, not real you know, dynamic, twitchy, explosive,
Speaker 2: but he can hold up with his length at the
Speaker 2: point of attack, and he does play really hard to
Speaker 2: close and chase plays from the backside. I thought he
Speaker 2: was more kind of you know, bottom two to middle three.
Speaker 2: That's where I had him on my list.
Speaker 3: Thank next question is from Jerry McDonald of the San
Speaker 3: Jose Mercury News.
Speaker 39: Okay, Daniel, to borrow you from your analogy, the forty
Speaker 39: nine ers have accumulated a lot of toys over the year,
Speaker 39: and they may need a visit to the hardware store
Speaker 39: in terms of in terms of offensive defensive lines. I'm
Speaker 39: curious what you're what you're thinking they might do at
Speaker 39: eleven and who's available to them in those areas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where they're picking at eleven, they're gonna be able
Speaker 2: to get a really good player. And I'm curious. The
Speaker 2: one thing, you know, we talked about him as one
Speaker 2: of the top players in draft with Mason Graham. You know,
Speaker 2: I'll be curious to see how he goes through the spring.
Speaker 2: As I mentioned, I think his tape is so good,
Speaker 2: but I'm not sure he's gonna, you know, totally ace
Speaker 2: the spring part of it. If you're looking for someone
Speaker 2: I think would just be a home run pick for him.
Speaker 2: What's the dream scenario to me? It would be Mason
Speaker 2: Graham where to fall down to him, where they could,
Speaker 2: you know, scoop him up and pick him up. But
Speaker 2: where they're picking, We've talked about Walker from Georgia. That's
Speaker 2: probably a good chance that he's gone at that point
Speaker 2: in time. Some you know, Williams is the other one.
Speaker 2: You know, it's kind of that same clump of players,
Speaker 2: that same group of players. The player who's a great
Speaker 2: scheme fit for them, which I think would be more
Speaker 2: of a trade back than necessarily take him right there
Speaker 2: at eleven, would be, you know, Walter Nolan, who's you know,
Speaker 2: they with their kind of jet front and they like
Speaker 2: to play up the field, Chris Caserk. They want to
Speaker 2: really really get off the ball and penetrate and go,
Speaker 2: and he's really really twitched up. So Walter Nolan to me,
Speaker 2: would be someone if you maybe if you slid down
Speaker 2: a little bit just to get a little bit more value,
Speaker 2: that would be a defensive tackle. But I think would
Speaker 2: be a really fun fit for that group.
Speaker 12: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Yep, all right, let's take a quick break. We'll be
Speaker 2: right back with the rest of this year's NFL Scouting
Speaker 2: Combine conference call.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Rayner Saban of the Detroit Free Press.
Speaker 40: All right, Daniel, I just wanted to check in with
Speaker 40: you regarding the Lions and their their history under Brad
Speaker 40: Holmes and what you think the common thread is that
Speaker 40: kind of ties their draft picks and in light of that,
Speaker 40: what kind of players in the range that they're picking at,
Speaker 40: you know, twenty nine is going to be the type
Speaker 40: of player that they'll be looking for in that range specifically.
Speaker 2: Well, I think they've he's been really intentional about how
Speaker 2: they've built their team. They've just found. First of all,
Speaker 2: they started with, you know, building it through the foundation
Speaker 2: with the offense and defensive line and finding guys with
Speaker 2: excellent play temperament, guys that are they are finishers, that
Speaker 2: play with effort and are physical. I think that was
Speaker 2: kind of the first part of the build, and then
Speaker 2: after that they went hunting for as many dynamic players
Speaker 2: as they can find. And what Jamir Gibs, Jameson Williams,
Speaker 2: the you know, the juice that they brought to that offense.
Speaker 2: You know, even Laporta you know, plays really really fast
Speaker 2: as a tight end. It just feels like they've combined
Speaker 2: the physical and the fast really really well. And I
Speaker 2: think the way that they built it out was really really,
Speaker 2: really really smart. So I think now with where they are,
Speaker 2: I think it's you know that they've got some of
Speaker 2: these young skill guys at these core positions, these core
Speaker 2: skill positions, and you've got Zeitler as a free agent.
Speaker 2: I think you could look at them, you know, kind
Speaker 2: of going back and kind of going the full circle here,
Speaker 2: start big, go fast. I think you can come back
Speaker 2: around and then go back to the line of scrimmage
Speaker 2: again if they can't get Zeitler signed. I've mentioned Zabel
Speaker 2: for them as as someone I think is plug and play.
Speaker 2: Donovan Jackson from Ohio State is another one who I
Speaker 2: think is plug and play. So those are those are
Speaker 2: kind of more you know, meat and potatoes guys, but
Speaker 2: they're in really good. They're really good. Thank you.
Speaker 3: As a reminder, make sure your line is muted until
Speaker 3: you're called on. Next question is from Aaron Wilson of
Speaker 3: kp RC in Houston. Okay, we're gonna move on to
Speaker 3: Andrew Mason of one oh four point three in Denver.
Speaker 41: Hey, DJ, I want to ask you about mocking Colston
Speaker 41: Lovelin to the Broncos at twenty, Like, what do you
Speaker 41: like about him as a potential fit and also kind
Speaker 41: of a follow on that pick you talked about how
Speaker 41: special Ashton Geny was and if he's there at twenty,
Speaker 41: do you see the Broncos passing on him even with
Speaker 41: his skill set.
Speaker 2: Well, push comes to shove. Yeah, first of all, I
Speaker 2: think I would just be shocked if Genty did get there.
Speaker 2: I was kind of playing around with some different scenario
Speaker 2: in that last mock draft. His tape is so good,
Speaker 2: the character's so good, all that stuff. Even if teams
Speaker 2: are going to be patient on the running backs, I
Speaker 2: think once we get through it and get to the end,
Speaker 2: I think, you know, Gentill, he'll be off the board.
Speaker 2: That would be an interesting conversation with those guys there.
Speaker 2: Genti's of my third overall player. Loveland's my seventh overall player.
Speaker 2: So I think they both be you know, home run picks.
Speaker 2: You know, I think you go Genty over Loveland just
Speaker 2: based off the off that for me, and that's a situation.
Speaker 2: But Loveland, when I think about jokers and chess pieces
Speaker 2: and mismatch players, he'd be a fun He'd be a
Speaker 2: fun one in that offense. And to grow. I like
Speaker 2: the idea of having a young quarterback and bow Nicks
Speaker 2: having a chance to grow and play with the same
Speaker 2: tight end for a long period of time. And you know,
Speaker 2: I think there's as we've seen with Mahomes and Kelsey.
Speaker 2: That's a that's a chemistry thing with those two positions connected.
Speaker 2: So I would love to see them get a premium
Speaker 2: tight end like that and let those guys grow together.
Speaker 2: Because Lovelan is he's excellent, and again he's one of
Speaker 2: the top ten players in the draft for me.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Jeff Bedoton of Forbes.
Speaker 4: Daniel, thanks so much for doing this.
Speaker 20: I had a question about the Canadian quarterback who kind
Speaker 20: of wowed everybody of the senior ball. Is he a
Speaker 20: guy that's going to get drafted and if so, where
Speaker 20: is he more of like a priority free agent?
Speaker 2: So everybody that I've talked to around the NFL, I
Speaker 2: still haven't gotten my hands on his tape yet. So
Speaker 2: that's been a tricky one just to try and locate
Speaker 2: the tape. So I'm one of my things I'm efforting
Speaker 2: to do is to to find my way to that tape.
Speaker 2: But there was there was a lot of excitement just
Speaker 2: the way the ball came out of his hand, and
Speaker 2: it was still more of a late round, you know,
Speaker 2: priority free agent situation, but he's got some size and
Speaker 2: just in the brief exposure I had to him watching
Speaker 2: him there. I think you have something to work with.
Speaker 2: So I'm anxious to see the tape. I'm acious not
Speaker 2: just to see the tape to see him, but to
Speaker 2: see the style and the quality of play you know
Speaker 2: up there. I'm looking forward to seeing that. So I'm
Speaker 2: on the hunt.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Anthony Cosenza of s B Nation.
Speaker 42: Hey, Daniel, thanks for the time today. Have a question
Speaker 42: for you. As the Bengals are sitting in the middle
Speaker 42: of the first round, a lot of people are talking
Speaker 42: about Walter Nolan if he's there for interior defensive line help.
Speaker 42: You mentioned earlier in the press conference call here that
Speaker 42: there's some good interior offensive line prospects later in the draft.
Speaker 42: Can the same be said about other interior defensive line prospects.
Speaker 42: If the Bengals decide to forego those type of spots
Speaker 42: within the first two rounds and they maybe wait till
Speaker 42: late night too early day three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna pull up their pick here. So if
Speaker 2: we just want to go to pick eighty one for
Speaker 2: Cincinnati and you want a defensive tackle with pick eighty one,
Speaker 2: I mean, this is the draft to do it. There
Speaker 2: is a ton of them, so you know you've got
Speaker 2: Jamari Caldwell from Oregon. Kind of in that range. You've
Speaker 2: got Ty Hamilton, Ohio State. You've got Omar Norman Lot
Speaker 2: from Tennessee, Jordan Phillips from Maryland. There's there's a lot
Speaker 2: of defensive tackles. I posted this the other day, but
Speaker 2: in terms of guys with potential starter grade. So I'm
Speaker 2: not saying you know they're locks, you know, stamp it,
Speaker 2: they're going to be starters. But with players with the
Speaker 2: potential to start at defensive tackle, last year I had
Speaker 2: twelve uh and this year I had double, So it's
Speaker 2: it is as deep of a defensive tackle draft as
Speaker 2: I can as I can ever remember. So if they
Speaker 2: do decide to go another direction early, they're gonna have
Speaker 2: plenty options beyond that if you're if you're looking. One
Speaker 2: by the way that I'm one of my just favorite
Speaker 2: players to study is a guest from from Old miss
Speaker 2: who's three hundred and twenty three pounds. I have him
Speaker 2: kind of as a as a second round like bottom
Speaker 2: half of the bottom part of the second round. But
Speaker 2: just if you want to have fun, just just pull
Speaker 2: up like a YouTube. I'm sure they're out there on
Speaker 2: him and look at his his stuff. He does offensively
Speaker 2: at Old Miss. It's a lot of fun.
Speaker 27: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Next question is from John McMullen of on s I.
Speaker 43: Hey, DJ, thanks for doing this. Last time the Eagles
Speaker 43: were thirty two was the Lamar Draft A is there
Speaker 43: a quarterback that you think might fit there for teams
Speaker 43: looking for that fifty year option? And then when they
Speaker 43: traded down they drafted Dallas Goddard and Zach Ertz Is
Speaker 43: a little bit younger, was a little bit younger than
Speaker 43: Dallas is now. Any tight ends and sort of that
Speaker 43: forty to fifty range that could project.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's definitely tight ends. The three that I would
Speaker 2: have in that mix. Mason Taylor from LSU would be
Speaker 2: a home run pick who's just a real steady, reliable,
Speaker 2: dependable guy who jumped on the scene with the game
Speaker 2: winner against Bama his freshman year. He's obviously it's a
Speaker 2: football family with Jason Taylor there, but he's impressive, had
Speaker 2: a great Senior Bowl, So I don't know how far
Speaker 2: into the second round he would make it, but he's
Speaker 2: in that range. Elijah Royo from Miami another one who
Speaker 2: had a great Senior Bowl week who can really really run.
Speaker 2: And then Harold Fannon, who I mentioned a little bit
Speaker 2: earlier from from Bowling Green. I think those would all
Speaker 2: be good guys to add along into that group. But
Speaker 2: I do think Tallas Godder it's got a lot more uh,
Speaker 2: he's got a lot more football left in him. In
Speaker 2: terms of the quarterbacks, I haven't been able to find
Speaker 2: that buzz out there for someone who would you know
Speaker 2: a quarterback that teams would really want to get into
Speaker 2: the bottom of one. Jackson dart Is uh is my
Speaker 2: third guy. That would be the one I think I
Speaker 2: would keep an eye on and see if the buzz
Speaker 2: builds with him that that maybe that could uh, that
Speaker 2: buzz could build, But as of today, I would say
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily see a team moving in there.
Speaker 17: Rank Steja yep next for want to fill up marsh
Speaker 17: with huddle UK.
Speaker 2: All right, Daddy, thanks for your telling today.
Speaker 44: The interest in the NFL over here in the UK
Speaker 44: is growing at a huge rate, and particularly the off
Speaker 44: season interest now is going with each past some year
Speaker 44: with a focus on the combine next week. What drills
Speaker 44: for specific positions would you advise a first time combine
Speaker 44: watcher really pay attention to and are there any sort
Speaker 44: of non measurables when you're scouting these prospects that you
Speaker 44: really pay attention to instead of the numbers.
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's great. I'm glad there's a there's more
Speaker 2: interest building here with this event. It's it's a lot
Speaker 2: of fun to watch. I would say, first of all,
Speaker 2: if you're watching it for the first time, the most
Speaker 2: fun part of the combine is a you know, I
Speaker 2: think on the fan side of things is you want
Speaker 2: to watch guys run fast, so you know, the receivers
Speaker 2: and the dbs when they get a chance to run forties,
Speaker 2: it's just a me and rich Eisen have a blast
Speaker 2: because we got the best seat in the house and
Speaker 2: it's just still fun to watch guys that can absolutely fly.
Speaker 2: So that's that's something to watch their quarterback wise, you
Speaker 2: just want to see how the ball comes out of
Speaker 2: their hand. You're not going to necessarily worry about, you know,
Speaker 2: all the ball placement things and you know, ding them
Speaker 2: on accuracy throwing the guys they're not used to, but
Speaker 2: you can get a sense for just how they spend
Speaker 2: the ball, how the ball comes out of their hand.
Speaker 2: I think when you look at explosive positions in terms
Speaker 2: of like edge rushers. It's I always think it's it's
Speaker 2: important to see their jumps, like, see their verticals, see
Speaker 2: their broad just see how much explosiveness they can generate.
Speaker 2: Those are some of the things you look at there
Speaker 2: in terms of outside the numbers. Look, the team's going
Speaker 2: to get access to stuff we don't obviously, the medical
Speaker 2: information and the interviews that they have in the evenings.
Speaker 2: But I always think there's value in if you're watching
Speaker 2: these groups and you see, you know who ends up
Speaker 2: kind of being the leaders in these groups. Who who
Speaker 2: do players navigate towards, Who do they want to be
Speaker 2: around and talk to. I think there's I think there's
Speaker 2: information you can gather just by by watching these guys interact.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Jonas Schaeffer of the Baltimore Banner.
Speaker 2: Adj.
Speaker 45: Thanks for doing this. It's been interesting to see some
Speaker 45: of the best passing offenses in the NFL don't really
Speaker 45: have that prototypical X receiver. And obviously we've seen teams
Speaker 45: like Buffalo embrace someone like a MATC. Collins because of
Speaker 45: what he can do as a field stretcher, but also
Speaker 45: with his blocking ability. I guess you know as that
Speaker 45: position has kind of evolved. Have the traits that teams
Speaker 45: are looking for at that X position changed at all
Speaker 45: just with the the evolution of the game.
Speaker 2: That's an interesting question. I haven't really thought about it.
Speaker 2: I still think the core principles are the same in
Speaker 2: terms of you know, size, physicality, the ability to win
Speaker 2: on third down and in the red zone, you know,
Speaker 2: catch radius. I think a lot of those things are
Speaker 2: have been the same for a long period of time.
Speaker 2: You know, the blocking things interesting I've been you know,
Speaker 2: I've been talking about this a little bit on the
Speaker 2: defensive side of it because with corners, we used to say,
Speaker 2: when I started scouting in two thousand and three, we
Speaker 2: would use the term cover corner a lot. And you know, hey,
Speaker 2: this guy doesn't really tackle, doesn't have any interest, but
Speaker 2: who cares, Like we're going to leave him out there
Speaker 2: on the island and let him cover. And I think
Speaker 2: we're seeing so many condensed formations now that it's become
Speaker 2: imperative that you can tackle as a corner because they're
Speaker 2: going to put you in run fits, They're going to
Speaker 2: leave you alone block everybody else and make you be
Speaker 2: the force player. But it's also done, is it's It's
Speaker 2: created a need and a desire to have wide receivers
Speaker 2: that can do what the Rams have done, which is
Speaker 2: get guys who can dig out linebackers and who can
Speaker 2: be physical presence in the run game there as well
Speaker 2: from those tight splits. So, you know, I think all
Speaker 2: that stuff kind of you know, factors into a little
Speaker 2: bit of evolution and a little bit of change there.
Speaker 2: But I still think when I think of an X,
Speaker 2: I still think third down, red zone. I'd like to
Speaker 2: have somebody who can win one on one out there.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Mike payton a to Z Sports
Speaker 3: in Detroit.
Speaker 4: Thanks.
Speaker 46: Thanks, Danielis this is great. I'm curious about it. The
Speaker 46: WANs are looking for somebody that generally is like a
Speaker 46: Swiss army knife, has a lot of positional versatility, can
Speaker 46: do a lot of different things. Who do you see
Speaker 46: in this in this draft, whether it's on offense or defense,
Speaker 46: that really sticks out kind of later in the in
Speaker 46: the draft, you know, second round beyond that that just
Speaker 46: can do a bunch of different things.
Speaker 2: Well defensively I mentioned to guests of all the different
Speaker 2: things he can do. Uh, you know, he's someone who
Speaker 2: on the defensive side of the ball is a defensive
Speaker 2: tackle who every now and then will kick out and
Speaker 2: just be a big, massive edge rusher. But then on offense,
Speaker 2: he's a wildcat quarterback. He's an h back, he's a wing,
Speaker 2: he runs the ball, he's you know, that's that's one
Speaker 2: of the more fun versatile pieces in this year's draft
Speaker 2: when I look at, you know, a weapon offensively, you know,
Speaker 2: if you're going to go down the line in the draft,
Speaker 2: I think there's a fun one in what he marks
Speaker 2: out of USC as someone who can really catch the
Speaker 2: ball out of the backfield. He's got a ton of
Speaker 2: production going back to Mississippi State. He's some one that
Speaker 2: I think can can can be a little bit of
Speaker 2: a mismatch player there with what he can do. So
Speaker 2: a couple of different things for him, trying to think
Speaker 2: of the other tight ends maybe that could do some
Speaker 2: other things well. The one of the one one of
Speaker 2: the guys that I'm so fascinated about in the draft.
Speaker 2: He's not going to the combine, which I was bummed about,
Speaker 2: but Willie Lampkin from from North Carolina, who's he's a wrestler.
Speaker 2: He's five ten and a half two hundred and seventy
Speaker 2: five pounds center who you just look at him on
Speaker 2: paper and then you maybe go out there and watch
Speaker 2: him warm up and you're like, there's no way this
Speaker 2: guy can physically hold up. But he does. He just
Speaker 2: plays with leverage and strength and power. He's a good
Speaker 2: football player. Did not get invited to the combine. I
Speaker 2: was bummed because I wanted to see him work out
Speaker 2: as a as a tight end. I wouldn't mind seeing
Speaker 2: him work out as a defensive tackle. I wouldn't mind
Speaker 2: seeing him work out as a fullback. I do the
Speaker 2: Charger games. I've seen Scott Mattlock was a D lineman's
Speaker 2: who's converted a fullback. I've seen card with the Ravens.
Speaker 2: So Willie Lampkin to me is, uh, that's a fun
Speaker 2: that's a fun toy to play with. I don't know
Speaker 2: exactly what his role is going to be at the
Speaker 2: next level, but he's a fun player.
Speaker 34: Thanks Kanny.
Speaker 46: I actually missed the name of the first guy you said.
Speaker 2: If you could say, oh gosh, wasn't what he marks?
Speaker 2: Was it?
Speaker 47: No?
Speaker 2: It was the defense guy who could Oh yeah, JJ
Speaker 2: Piguetz from from Ole, Miss Great. Thank you, sure.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Chris Bumbaka of USA Today.
Speaker 9: What's up, Daniel.
Speaker 2: Thanks for doing this. I hope you're doing well.
Speaker 48: Cam Skataboo is obviously a guy who had a big
Speaker 48: coming out party in the college Football Playoff and had
Speaker 48: a great season. But what does he need to do
Speaker 48: over you know, at the combine and maybe had his
Speaker 48: pro date depending on if he works out to keep
Speaker 48: rising up draft boards.
Speaker 2: In your opinion, well, he's uh, he's a unique player,
Speaker 2: like just when you watch him. Obviously the incredible run
Speaker 2: that he went on, but yeah, I would was looking
Speaker 2: at my notes on him when I was putting this
Speaker 2: stuff in last night from my notebook, and I said, this,
Speaker 2: he just chooses violence, like I don't know if I've
Speaker 2: ever seen a more aggressive runner who just seeks out
Speaker 2: contact and who can absorb contact. When I was looking
Speaker 2: for a comp for him, my first thought was, Okay,
Speaker 2: he's like kind of like a shrunk down James Connor,
Speaker 2: and I was like, gosh, more than anything else, he
Speaker 2: just reminds me of a plink Ot chip from from
Speaker 2: The Price is Right of just like bouncing off everything
Speaker 2: and everybody. But you know the thing with him is,
Speaker 2: you know we know we can catch it. We know
Speaker 2: obviously the vision, the balance, the toughness. The only questions
Speaker 2: is going to be the top speed, So you know,
Speaker 2: if he has a chance, you know, I think to me,
Speaker 2: he looked like he probably be a low four to
Speaker 2: six guy if he if he were running the four fives,
Speaker 2: that would be great, that would really help himself out.
Speaker 2: But he's a y. She is such a fun player
Speaker 2: to watch and whoever gets him is going to have
Speaker 2: one of the most aggressive and physical runners that we've
Speaker 2: seen the last few years. So he's a fun one.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Dave Naylor of TSN.
Speaker 19: Daniel a couple of Canadian players in attendance at the combine.
Speaker 19: I know Curtis works not going to work out, but
Speaker 19: I understand he'll be there. And Alec I'm onar from
Speaker 19: the receiver from Stanford, if you could kind of give
Speaker 19: us your take on both those players at this point
Speaker 19: and obviously understanding the rourkesa comes with the injury.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, for sure. Well, I mean the first time
Speaker 2: I noticed Stanford receiver when I'm watching Colorado last year
Speaker 2: and holy moly, he had monster game there. That was
Speaker 2: when he kind of jumped on my scene a little bit,
Speaker 2: and he had two hundred ninety plus yards in that game,
Speaker 2: a good bit of it on Travis Hunter, my dad.
Speaker 2: So he was that's when he jumped on my radar,
Speaker 2: but outside big time burst in his release. I thought
Speaker 2: he was better on the move. I keep him on
Speaker 2: the go. He's a little bit sticky at the top
Speaker 2: of routes working back downhill, but I thought he's he's
Speaker 2: someone who runs through the ball, which I which I
Speaker 2: like to see if talked about that a little bit,
Speaker 2: being kind of grounded through the catch. The issue with
Speaker 2: him just kind of contact drops, like you just want
Speaker 2: to see when he gets kind of those combat catch opportunities,
Speaker 2: just being a little stronger and finishing on those. But
Speaker 2: I think he's going to run really well. He's got
Speaker 2: excellent size, So I'm excited to see him once we
Speaker 2: get to once we get to Indianapolis, and then with Rourke,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, gosh, and I guess that's not
Speaker 2: a surprise in Canada with the hockey Hockey Nation, the
Speaker 2: toughness and all that stuff, like this dude playing the
Speaker 2: whole season with and torn acl is pretty incredible. A
Speaker 2: little bit older at twenty four years old, but someone
Speaker 2: who's good in the RPO game. He's got a good
Speaker 2: pocket feel, he's quick through progressions. I like the fact
Speaker 2: he's got a nice like quiet deliveries, not real, you know,
Speaker 2: violent or aggressive as a throw. He's just very poised.
Speaker 2: You know, the question is going to be, you know,
Speaker 2: how much real pop does he have? How much arm
Speaker 2: strength does he does he have there? But I love
Speaker 2: the size, you know, obviously, the toughness speaks for itself.
Speaker 6: Where do you see Alec.
Speaker 34: Playing in the NFL?
Speaker 19: Where do you see him lining up?
Speaker 2: Well, I think he'll be outside. I think he'll be
Speaker 2: an ex receiver. I think that's where's he's best suited.
Speaker 34: Thank you.
Speaker 2: All right, let's take a quick break. We'll be right
Speaker 2: back with the rest of this year's NFL Scouting Combine
Speaker 2: conference call.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Jared Feinberg of Panthers Wire.
Speaker 2: Hey, Daniel, so you had Jalen Walker as one of
Speaker 2: your top ten prospects on your big board going into
Speaker 2: next week's combine.
Speaker 3: Do you believe he.
Speaker 2: Should be more of a pure edge rusher or does
Speaker 2: he fit more of what Andrew Van Geikeel and Frankie
Speaker 2: Louvi does play wise, those are interesting comps. I think
Speaker 2: he can play in that role. To me, I just
Speaker 2: think I think you can. I think you can do
Speaker 2: so many different things, and I don't, you know, I
Speaker 2: think some things are going to say why I'm not
Speaker 2: going to just put him in one spot. I'm going
Speaker 2: to let him do a bunch of different things as
Speaker 2: those teams do with those guys. So that's that's real.
Speaker 2: I think that's a possibility. I just would love to
Speaker 2: see given the opportunity to just be a full time
Speaker 2: rusher off the edge. I know he's not, you know,
Speaker 2: six foot five, you know, ideal frame out there, I
Speaker 2: think he's going to be a nightmare to block if
Speaker 2: you just cut him loose and let him rush like that.
Speaker 2: So that's what I would do. Everything's going to be
Speaker 2: dependent on what scheme you're in and who your defensive
Speaker 2: coordinator is. But I think this guy's double digit sacks
Speaker 2: off the edge, and I don't think his you know,
Speaker 2: lack of that ideal size is an issue at all
Speaker 2: against a run. He's so strong and stout, I think
Speaker 2: he'd be I think he'd be hell on wheels out there.
Speaker 2: So that's what I would do with him. But again,
Speaker 2: if you have a defense that wants to deploy guys differently,
Speaker 2: I don't know that there's a whole lot he can't do.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Daniel Ye.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Rishi Sharma of td Labs.
Speaker 49: Hey there, Daniel, thanks so much for taking my question.
Speaker 49: I'm a small content creator for Canada trying to get
Speaker 49: draft news to more Canadians. I got a too harder
Speaker 49: here really. The first one is I've done some research
Speaker 49: and I haven't seen Tyler. I've seen Tyler Warren ranked
Speaker 49: top five and Loveland ranked top seven in your top
Speaker 49: one hundred. Haven't seen tight Ends since probably Bowers in
Speaker 49: twenty twenty four and Pitts from twenty twenty one ranked
Speaker 49: that high. What do you say about Tyler Warren? That's
Speaker 49: his X factor? And is Rob Gronkowski a little bit
Speaker 49: of a far off player comp in terms of what
Speaker 49: he can be if he used to hit his ceiling?
Speaker 49: And the second part is here this is a Dallas
Speaker 49: Cowboys focus question. You have genty mock to the Cowboys,
Speaker 49: And now my concern is the amount of touches. Is
Speaker 49: this something you look at when you look at your valuations.
Speaker 49: He has around seven hundred and fifty and someone like
Speaker 49: Gibbs is coming into the league with four hundred. I'm
Speaker 49: a little bit concerned with drafting it back like that
Speaker 49: after I've seen what happened to Ezekiel Elliott after a
Speaker 49: couple of years of being in the NFL.
Speaker 2: Sure, good questions. I'll start with the tight end stuff.
Speaker 2: Look this draft at the very very top. I mean,
Speaker 2: I've got Abdil Carter, Travis Hunter up there, but it's
Speaker 2: not a draft where you have, you know, ten like
Speaker 2: I had a higher grade on brock Bowers. Is what
Speaker 2: I will just cut to the chase there than than
Speaker 2: I did on these tight ends. I really like both
Speaker 2: of them, though we don't have quite the same top
Speaker 2: end depth that we've had in years past. But Tyler
Speaker 2: Warren is my fifth overall player because his mixture of
Speaker 2: just size, physicality. He's uh, he just walls guys off.
Speaker 2: He looks like a billboard rolling down the seam. He's enormous.
Speaker 2: He's got a huge catch radius. He he is so
Speaker 2: physical and tough with the ball in his hands after
Speaker 2: the catch. They use him, you know, on the wildcat stuff,
Speaker 2: and use him as a runner and do those different
Speaker 2: things because he's just he's a really hard guy to
Speaker 2: get on the ground. You know, there are I look
Speaker 2: at tight ends and you know you kind of look
Speaker 2: at the Gronk tree and the Kelsey tree, like if
Speaker 2: you're stylistically the difference between those two guys. I think
Speaker 2: it's well represented in this draft where you've got Tyler Warren,
Speaker 2: who represents more of the Gronk type, who's going to
Speaker 2: be better on the move, you know, crossers, seams, get
Speaker 2: the ball in his hands, make people tackle him, Whereas
Speaker 2: when you look at Lovelin, it's a little more Kelsey.
Speaker 2: It's a little more you know, option routes, getting in
Speaker 2: and out of breaks, a little more fluid, and someone
Speaker 2: who can make you miss after the catch, but not
Speaker 2: you know, not quite as physical a player there as
Speaker 2: you have there with Tyler Warren. So those are the
Speaker 2: two tight ends that I think, are you know, two
Speaker 2: of the top seven players in this year's draft class
Speaker 2: with the Cowboys and genty Yeah, I mean, look, workload
Speaker 2: is it's something that you look at. But I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I know, I know Ezekiel Elliott didn't
Speaker 2: you know, on the second contract, did not get the
Speaker 2: Cowboys what they wanted, But that's a that's a heck
Speaker 2: of a run. I don't know how many how many
Speaker 2: teams would be disappointed with that type of impact if
Speaker 2: they were to get out of a draft pick. You know,
Speaker 2: to have that type of that type of elite player,
Speaker 2: even if it's for a handful of years, I think
Speaker 2: would constitute a great pick. Thanks so much, Daniel Ye.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Eric Smith of Chargers dot Com. I,
Speaker 3: dij I think, thanks as always for doing this with
Speaker 3: the Chargers at pick twenty two.
Speaker 48: How would you prioritize their needs heading into year two
Speaker 48: with Jim Harbor and Joe Ortiz.
Speaker 2: Thanks man, Look, I look at the interior of the
Speaker 2: offensive line would be the top for me, and that's
Speaker 2: going to be, you know, something you can address with
Speaker 2: free agency and the draft, and I think getting more
Speaker 2: weapons offensively, you know, get getting a you know, ideally
Speaker 2: you get a big time tight end to go along
Speaker 2: with some you know, some juice in the backfield at
Speaker 2: running back, someone that you can find with some real
Speaker 2: burst and then uh, you know, someone to add to
Speaker 2: the receiver room who's got some explosiveness. So you know,
Speaker 2: I referenced the Lions a little bit earlier Eric about
Speaker 2: you know, doing the big things first and then go
Speaker 2: and get in the speed and the explosiveness. I still
Speaker 2: think there's a little work to be done on the
Speaker 2: big side, and they've got defensive tackle situation. With free agency,
Speaker 2: you know, I'd love to see him bring back pun
Speaker 2: a Ford there. But you know, this draft is is
Speaker 2: matched up pretty well with their needs. And you know,
Speaker 2: tiior defensive line, tiior offensive line, tight end, running back.
Speaker 2: I think those are all areas that can be addressed
Speaker 2: through free agency and through the draft. And I think
Speaker 2: where they're picking, you know, there's a chance you could
Speaker 2: be looking at Lovelin, which would be a great pick there.
Speaker 2: I love Omar and Hampton from North Carolina. If you
Speaker 2: want to go with the running back, I think that's
Speaker 2: a that's a great pick there, someone who could give
Speaker 2: them some some burst as well as the physicality all
Speaker 2: kind of wrapped up in one. So there's your tight end,
Speaker 2: there's your there's your running back, and then interior offensive line.
Speaker 2: I don't think Booker gets there. That would be a
Speaker 2: run the card up for me because I just think, man,
Speaker 2: you continue to invest in that interior offensive line. Uh,
Speaker 2: he'd be a he'd be a really good fit there
Speaker 2: with his size, physical reality, character, intelligence, all that stuff.
Speaker 2: He's he's someone who checks every box. So I think
Speaker 2: they're gonna I think you have a really really good
Speaker 2: player there for him in one of those spots, and
Speaker 2: and I think that's up to them to figure out
Speaker 2: how in free agency to support compliment what they're going
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Blaine Grissick of Turf Show Times.
Speaker 50: Hey, Daniel, thanks for doing this. Just kind of look
Speaker 50: at at the back half of the first round. It
Speaker 50: kind of seems like that the area twenty to forty
Speaker 50: is a bit of a dead zone of purgatory a
Speaker 50: little bit. Do you see and as many a lot
Speaker 50: of teams maybe trying to maybe trying to trade back.
Speaker 50: You see enough team is trying to trade up where
Speaker 50: you can get out of that range, and they're just
Speaker 50: kind of looking at jday Baron. I know you had
Speaker 50: him ranked pretty highly. Do you think he kind of
Speaker 50: gets maybe the Kuber Dejenie treatment where teams see him
Speaker 50: as a nickel and he and we're sitting here in
Speaker 50: a year a year from now saying how did he
Speaker 50: how did he fall fall to like forty or something?
Speaker 2: Like that, Yeah, I've had this conversation with a team
Speaker 2: about this very subject because and I will say, I'm
Speaker 2: higher on Baron than just about every team I've talked to.
Speaker 2: I love the way that he plays. I just do.
Speaker 2: And I think that, uh, well, this is what I've
Speaker 2: said to teams. I'm like, look, you guys, blew it
Speaker 2: on Branch. You guys, let Branch fall to the second round.
Speaker 2: The league, we the league collectively blew it on Cooper
Speaker 2: Dejene let him fall to the second round. Is this
Speaker 2: gonna happen again?
Speaker 25: Like?
Speaker 2: Are we gonna let Baron fall? Because we're not going
Speaker 2: to give credit to someone who's going to be on
Speaker 2: the field the whole game as someone who's going to
Speaker 2: be a nickel. We're going to play, you know, in
Speaker 2: that different roles he can play. Can be your dime linebacker,
Speaker 2: be your nickel. I think he could survive outside if
Speaker 2: if you needed him to. That's not going to be
Speaker 2: where his specialty is. But somebody that may that it's
Speaker 2: a sure tackler that has instincts, that takes the football away.
Speaker 2: That's an outstanding blitzer. And I look at the teams
Speaker 2: that are you know, in the playoffs and guys that
Speaker 2: can fill that role, can play that role for teams.
Speaker 2: I saw it, you know, I see it with Derwin
Speaker 2: James as someone who can play in that in that spot.
Speaker 2: You look at obviously Cooper Degene coming off of the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl there, the Chiefs with McDuffie had someone that
Speaker 2: you know, he's outside he played. He can be a
Speaker 2: difference maker in that role and has been in the past.
Speaker 2: The Ravens obviously, when you have the size and physicality
Speaker 2: they have that they can put down in there in
Speaker 2: that spot. I think there's value to it. I think
Speaker 2: he's a great player. I don't necessarily understand the uh,
Speaker 2: you know, the lack of value there for him around
Speaker 2: the league, But I guess we'll have to see what
Speaker 2: shakes out there. And then what was the what was
Speaker 2: the other one about the options of being able to
Speaker 2: trade back? Is that what you're saying, Yeah.
Speaker 50: He's about twenty or forty range kinds seems like a
Speaker 50: bit of a predatory, like are they gonna have teams
Speaker 50: that maybe you want to trade up in that range
Speaker 50: where teams can have the option to trade back.
Speaker 2: The one thing I would keep an eye on is
Speaker 2: if you have some teams with tackle needs depending on
Speaker 2: what happens with the dependent what happens with the Ravens,
Speaker 2: you know, with Ronnie Stanley, they could be one that
Speaker 2: could potentially move up. The Chiefs, you know, depending on
Speaker 2: where their comfort level is with their their roster. Left
Speaker 2: tackle could be an area they could address. So I
Speaker 2: try and look at maybe Shall Pools and where there
Speaker 2: would be a need to move up. I would say,
Speaker 2: keep an eye on the offensive tackle market and maybe
Speaker 2: that could drive some movement.
Speaker 3: Next question is from River Wells a Bucks game day.
Speaker 51: Hey there, Daniel, thanks for doing this. The Buccaneers have
Speaker 51: a lot of different needs. A lot of them are
Speaker 51: on defense at a lot of different levels. And Todd
Speaker 51: Bowles likes to run covering three, a lot of different
Speaker 51: blitzer in different fronts and looks. When you look at
Speaker 51: some of these defensive players and kind of where the
Speaker 51: Bucks are going to draft at around nineteen, what do
Speaker 51: you think of some of the best fits for this
Speaker 51: sort of Todd Bowls defense?
Speaker 2: Well, aggressive guys that can blitz from anywhere. Look, John
Speaker 2: Campbell would be sure as heck fun to watch there,
Speaker 2: just with all the different things he can do and
Speaker 2: fast and explosive and smart. That's a good combination for
Speaker 2: him for Coach Bowls to be able to play with there.
Speaker 2: So that's the first game that just jumped off the
Speaker 2: top of my head here when I'm thinking about those
Speaker 2: types of players. Williams from Georgia would be another one.
Speaker 2: Can you can do a lot of different things with
Speaker 2: him in terms of rushing him inside, rushing him outside.
Speaker 2: He's athletic enough if you want to drop him, he
Speaker 2: can do a lot of those things as well. So
Speaker 2: those are a couple of names to me that that
Speaker 2: just kind of jump out as pretty dynamic players that
Speaker 2: are you know. I love it when you have pass
Speaker 2: rushers that can win from different entry points, and I
Speaker 2: think those guys can both win from a variety of
Speaker 2: entry points. Thank you.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Richard Silva of Detroit News and.
Speaker 2: You'll appreciate your time.
Speaker 46: I think the popular thought probably with the lines at
Speaker 46: twenty eight is edge rusher.
Speaker 48: But if they do pass up on that, who are
Speaker 48: some guys in range at sixty they think could be available?
Speaker 2: Yeah, sixty for edge rushers, you know, I kind of
Speaker 2: mentioned it. Uman Malayan from from Old miss is right
Speaker 2: in that range. I have I'm not quite as high
Speaker 2: on Nick scourt and as some other people are, so
Speaker 2: that that's his range for me. And again I like him.
Speaker 2: He's a good player, and you know, I just know
Speaker 2: a lot of people talk about him as a first
Speaker 2: round pick and and he very well could be. But
Speaker 2: he's in that range for me. You've got you know,
Speaker 2: Kyle Kinard, You've got Twey Molole from Ohio State. It's
Speaker 2: a good group. There's a there's a lot of options
Speaker 2: there and uh and still you can get guys that
Speaker 2: can that can come in and start. I've talked about
Speaker 2: this detackle how deep it is. The edge group's pretty
Speaker 2: deep as well.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Darien Hopkins of the Las Vegas Raiders.
Speaker 9: Talk how you doing, DJ?
Speaker 52: How you doing today?
Speaker 2: Sarry done great, Thanks for thanks for hopping on. Appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Quick question.
Speaker 53: I know there is a lot of uncertainty with the
Speaker 53: quarterback position for the Las Vegas Raiders. It has been
Speaker 53: a lot of rumors of the Raiders moving up to
Speaker 53: get a top quarterback. Now, if they don't decide to
Speaker 53: get a trade up to get the top quarterback, what
Speaker 53: would be the option at number six for the Las
Speaker 53: Vegas Raiders and what positions would be the best fit
Speaker 53: for that number six overall.
Speaker 2: Bit, Yeah, they could go on in several different directions.
Speaker 2: You know, you look at some of their needs. You know,
Speaker 2: obviously the core stands out, but corner, uh is an
Speaker 2: area depending on how you how comfortable they are with
Speaker 2: with Will Johnson. I'm a Baron Baron fan, but I
Speaker 2: haven't talked to teams that would be as comfortable all
Speaker 2: the way up there at that point in time, I'd
Speaker 2: be a little early, So that that's one area you
Speaker 2: could look. I think they could just go though, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of best available defensive player, you know, I don't
Speaker 2: think you can go wrong there. Walker is a fun one.
Speaker 2: We've talked a ton about him from Georgia. I know
Speaker 2: Tom Brady is gonna know everything ins and outs about
Speaker 2: Mason Graham. Christian Wilkins and Mason Graham would be kind
Speaker 2: of a fun pairing with with Max on the outside.
Speaker 2: So there's, uh, there's different directions, different areas they could
Speaker 2: go there. But uh, you know, they've got to figure
Speaker 2: out the quarterback thing at some point in time via
Speaker 2: free agency or whether they're gonna do it right here
Speaker 2: at six or or whether they want to try and
Speaker 2: take a flyer on somebody, you know, outside the top
Speaker 2: of the draft. So I do I do have my
Speaker 2: uh did have my antenna up because I have to
Speaker 2: go back and double check. But uh, I'm trying to
Speaker 2: remember if what Chip Kelly's connection was with Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 2: Maybe is a down the line option for them at quarterback,
Speaker 2: but I'm pretty sure they're familiar with each other. Thank you,
Speaker 2: Sarah yep.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Casey Kenneman of Orange and Brown Report.
Speaker 11: By all indications, the Browns are going to lean back
Speaker 11: into Kevin Stefanski's willhouse with the wide zone scheme and
Speaker 11: play action from under center elements. This is a terrific
Speaker 11: running back class, which running backs you see is the
Speaker 11: best fit for the wide zone and kind of give
Speaker 11: me some of the characteristics of each one.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, there's again I mentioned the depth of this
Speaker 2: running back class. The first one that just popped right
Speaker 2: into my head was is is Caleb Johnson from Iowa
Speaker 2: someone who I just think is he's that one cut,
Speaker 2: you know, foot in the ground, speed and go, he's
Speaker 2: got he's got excellent vision. He's not going to be
Speaker 2: a real you know like nifty in and out guy.
Speaker 2: He's just gonna see it and go and he's got
Speaker 2: he's got burst and he's got long speed. So that
Speaker 2: would be the first one that kind of popped into
Speaker 2: my mind. You know other ones. You know, Hampton obviously
Speaker 2: would fit into that as a big explosive guy. I
Speaker 2: think he's a little more loose than than Johnson, but
Speaker 2: that would would fit there as well. Gosh, there's Dylan Sampson,
Speaker 2: not the biggest guy in the world, a little bit
Speaker 2: undersized out of Tennessee, but uh, you know he's he's again.
Speaker 2: He can get to the he can get to the perimeter,
Speaker 2: get get north and south and go. He's got big time,
Speaker 2: big time burst. I don't think he's gonna time as
Speaker 2: fast as he plays. He plays plenty fast. Those are
Speaker 2: some guys that that kind of jump out to me.
Speaker 2: But I mean the too Ohio State guys can play
Speaker 2: in any scheme. With Judkins and Henderson, and with with
Speaker 2: those two individually, Judkins is like a he's a finisher.
Speaker 2: Like you watch the end of the Penn State game,
Speaker 2: he's their four minute back and he just salts the
Speaker 2: game away. He's got balance, strength, power, passing, game wise
Speaker 2: more screens, checked down type, whereas Henderson is one of
Speaker 2: the best pass protecting backs that I've evaluated. He is
Speaker 2: exceptional in that regard. And then he can run routes,
Speaker 2: he can pluck it, and he can hit home runs
Speaker 2: out of the backfield. He's not quite as good of
Speaker 2: a dirty runner inside as as Judkins is, but definitely
Speaker 2: a home run hitter who in that in that system Again,
Speaker 2: stretch and then and then get up the field and
Speaker 2: use your speed and then be a factor in the
Speaker 2: passing game. Traveon Henderson is is outstanding. So I mean,
Speaker 2: and I go on, there's there's a bunch of backs
Speaker 2: third third round type probably third fourth round for someone
Speaker 2: like Trevor e Tn is another one that I like.
Speaker 2: So again, it's a long list, all right, Thanks DJ yep.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Zach Goodle of Swamp two four seven.
Speaker 54: Hey, Daniel, I'm curious for your impressions of Florida's draft class.
Speaker 54: They're sending nine guys to the combine after two last year. Obviously,
Speaker 54: don't need to get into each one, but maybe some
Speaker 54: of the standouts to you, and in particular Graham Mertz
Speaker 54: with the quarterback class and if the play that he
Speaker 54: put together at Florida after a little bit up and
Speaker 54: down at Wisconsin changed his trajectory at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'll start with Mertz. To me, I
Speaker 2: had him more of as a you know, late round
Speaker 2: priority free agent. You know, he is a little bit older,
Speaker 2: which a lot of these guys are, was twenty four.
Speaker 2: But you know, I like the way he threw the
Speaker 2: ball on the move. I thought he held the ball
Speaker 2: a little bit long. I thought he got a little
Speaker 2: bit jumpy at times in the pocket, and I just
Speaker 2: thought there were times where I just like to see
Speaker 2: him just throw a little more trajectory. He just kind
Speaker 2: of threw a flat ball. But by all accounts talking
Speaker 2: to the folks there about you know, he's just a
Speaker 2: he's a great dude. He's really really bright. So if
Speaker 2: he can kind of just pass the threshold, you know,
Speaker 2: as a thrower, I think he's got a chance to,
Speaker 2: you know, an opportunity maybe as a practice squad or
Speaker 2: hang on to a roster as a backup. But to me,
Speaker 2: he was he was more kind of a late round
Speaker 2: guy or free with some of these other Florida guys.
Speaker 2: Cameron Jackson is enormous kind of unique to see a
Speaker 2: detackle with six six and a half three hundred and
Speaker 2: forty pounds. He more of a flash player than someone
Speaker 2: who's real consistent. I thought he played on his heels
Speaker 2: a little bit much, but he can stack blocks. He's
Speaker 2: got real strong hands, and I thought he played with
Speaker 2: good block awareness. So anyways, interesting package with him with
Speaker 2: his size. And then I'll just give you a couple
Speaker 2: more here Badger the receiver. I like that he's inside outside,
Speaker 2: he's instinctive settles and zones. He can win with quicks
Speaker 2: against press. He tracks the ball easy. I thought his
Speaker 2: his his frame. You know, he caught the ball and
Speaker 2: played bigger than his size, so I thought he was,
Speaker 2: you know, fourth round type player. And then give you
Speaker 2: one more here, just with Shamar James, a linebacker. You know,
Speaker 2: first tape you watches against Miami has nice play against
Speaker 2: Cammore to pick one off there. You can use him
Speaker 2: in a variety of ways. You can spy him. He's
Speaker 2: got range, the perimeter, he can harry and cover down
Speaker 2: the steam. I just thought, you know, physicality wise, he
Speaker 2: got stuck on some blocks and got swallowed a little
Speaker 2: bit inside, So a little bit more of a Day
Speaker 2: three guy for me, but but someone who's got a chance.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Patrick Brown of two four to
Speaker 3: seven Sports.
Speaker 55: I want to ask you about a couple of Tennessee guys.
Speaker 55: You already touched on Samson, so we could circle back
Speaker 55: to James Pierce Cheen or something he mentioned earlier was
Speaker 55: that there was a pretty wide range to where he
Speaker 55: could go. He obviously going into the season, was projected
Speaker 55: near maybe the top of the draft. So what did
Speaker 55: you think, how did you sort of evaluate his play
Speaker 55: this season? And thank you for doing this.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, teams are are just kind of split on him,
Speaker 2: just kind of you get stuff all over the map.
Speaker 2: He is, you know, he is a kind of a
Speaker 2: unique player because of his frame and his build. But gosh,
Speaker 2: when I watch him, he's just really really explosive. Again,
Speaker 2: I mentioned those kind of those first three steps. Those
Speaker 2: are the ones that that that jump out to me.
Speaker 2: He reminds me, Gosh, I'm the name is I have
Speaker 2: all these draft names in my head, so the current
Speaker 2: guys end up escaping me. But Leonard Floyd, you know,
Speaker 2: the tall, long, rangy edge rusher, That's kind of who
Speaker 2: he reminds me of as a player. So he's he's
Speaker 2: a good one. Omar or Norman Lott the DT. He
Speaker 2: can he plays with power through edges. He's kind of
Speaker 2: funky in that he's got a unique rush as someone
Speaker 2: in there who's he'll use a euro step at times.
Speaker 2: He can cross your face. I didn't think he was
Speaker 2: ultra ultra dynamic, but he just got a lot of
Speaker 2: ways to kind of win in there. I gave him,
Speaker 2: you know what, was a third round grade. Elijah Simmons
Speaker 2: the other DT's three hundred and forty pounds, just massive,
Speaker 2: can sit there and plug and hold the point of attack,
Speaker 2: easy holds up doubles. Not much of a pass rusher,
Speaker 2: more just push the pocket. I'm always rip of these
Speaker 2: last two. Bru McCoy seen him since high school, at
Speaker 2: modern day and at USC just you know, durabilities the
Speaker 2: is the knock there. But he's big, he's physical, He's
Speaker 2: gonna he's gonna look great just watching him move around
Speaker 2: the warm ups, contract the ball, he's physical after the catch.
Speaker 2: Just uh, you know, durability and staying healthy is the
Speaker 2: is the issue there. And then Thornton, you know size, speed,
Speaker 2: you know they he caught a zillion of those those
Speaker 2: bang eights those skinny posts in that offense with that
Speaker 2: real row wide split. He tracks the ball. Well, I
Speaker 2: just thought it was a route running he telegraph a
Speaker 2: little bit and uh, just like to see a little
Speaker 2: bit more precision there, a little more and a little
Speaker 2: more uh intention there as a route runner and uh
Speaker 2: and I didn't know after the catch if there was
Speaker 2: much wiggle, just kind of more of a runaway from.
Speaker 9: You guy, appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Yep, all right, let's take a quick break. We'll be
Speaker 2: right back with the rest of this year's NFL Scouting
Speaker 2: Combine Conference call.
Speaker 3: Next question is Dustin Adams on a disease sports in Indianapolis.
Speaker 21: Hi.
Speaker 2: Daniel thinks of taking the time today, no problem.
Speaker 56: So for the Cult, they have some clear needs in
Speaker 56: the secondary with some younger pieces in the mold and
Speaker 56: then making the defensive philosophy switch with Louis Arumo coming
Speaker 56: over as the coordinator. What are your thoughts, I guess
Speaker 56: on the day one and day two prospects at corner
Speaker 56: and at safety, especially in terms of being able to
Speaker 56: play in like the deep safety role.
Speaker 2: Sure, deep safety role. I mean Starks fits that out
Speaker 2: of Georgia. He's someone that can play in the nickel,
Speaker 2: can play high as the safety, so that one would
Speaker 2: would be the first one I would talk about as
Speaker 2: someone who can range and play over the top. Xavier
Speaker 2: Wats is another one from Notre Dame who fits in there.
Speaker 2: One of one of my favorite guys in the safety
Speaker 2: group who's gonna, you know, third fourth round, maybe you
Speaker 2: get him in the fourth round is Craig Woodson from CAL.
Speaker 2: He he plays in the deep path, he can play downhill,
Speaker 2: he can open, he's a smooth mover, he's got speed,
Speaker 2: he's a firm tackler, and he's really really smart and
Speaker 2: talking to the folks at CAL, they rave about his
Speaker 2: intelligence and leadership. So he's someone I'm big on trust
Speaker 2: in the back end, and I think he's someone you
Speaker 2: get in the third fourth round that I would trust
Speaker 2: putting back there real early in his career. Corner wise,
Speaker 2: for a little more of the depth guys talked about.
Speaker 2: Trey Amos is one of my favorites at an Old
Speaker 2: miss Parish, Kansas State in terms of like having some tools,
Speaker 2: some raw tools to work with, but you've got to
Speaker 2: be a little bit patient. Darien Porter from Iowa State
Speaker 2: hightweight speed. He can play the ball down the field.
Speaker 2: He just is a little bit tight, but you've got
Speaker 2: some things to work with there. Another cow kid, Noel Williams,
Speaker 2: who's got a ton of production and I think is
Speaker 2: he's ready to play right away. You can watch the
Speaker 2: Auburn game with him.
Speaker 25: You can.
Speaker 2: He had three picks in that game, picked off cam
Speaker 2: Ward to pick six against cam Ward in that game.
Speaker 2: Real feisty, physical, maybe a little quicker than fast. We'll
Speaker 2: see what he runs. But he's another one kind of
Speaker 2: in that third fourth round range. So there's you know,
Speaker 2: there's some interesting names there that I think would that
Speaker 2: would fit what they're doing.
Speaker 3: Next question is Mooki Alexander from SB Nation.
Speaker 57: Hi there, Daniel, thank you for this really enlightening conference call.
Speaker 57: The big story up here in the Pacific Northwest regarding
Speaker 57: the Seattle Seahawks is whether or not they extend Geno
Speaker 57: Smith and keep him as a starter in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 57: But even if he does stay, there is the possibility
Speaker 57: that Seattle could actually draft a quarterback this year, which
Speaker 57: is something they've only done twice ever under John Schneider.
Speaker 57: There are a lot of options, seemingly in the late
Speaker 57: day one day two even day three range, and the
Speaker 57: most common names I've seen mock drafted to Seattle are
Speaker 57: Will Howard of Ohio State, Calum McCord of Syracuse, Quin
Speaker 57: Eyears of Texas, and Jackson Dart of Ole, miss whom
Speaker 57: I believe you it suggests it could even be an
Speaker 57: option for Seattle at number eighteen. So with the expectation
Speaker 57: of a run oriented, play action based more under center
Speaker 57: offense under Clint Kubiak, which of those quarterbacks do you believe
Speaker 57: best fits the new Seattle offense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate that. Look. Coffee would probably a little
Speaker 2: bit rich for me at eighteen. For Jackson Dart, I
Speaker 2: have him in the forties, but he's my third quarterback there.
Speaker 2: And I just kind of ripped through some of these
Speaker 2: guys and I tell you about him, and then I'll
Speaker 2: just kind of wrap it up with with who I
Speaker 2: think could make some sense for what they're doing. But
Speaker 2: you know, Will Howard had the hot playoff run. He's
Speaker 2: got obviously the size almost six four two and forty pounds,
Speaker 2: ultra competitive kid. I love the fact that he wonted
Speaker 2: two spots at k State and then obviously this year
Speaker 2: at Ohio State, he's a touch thrower. He's quick to
Speaker 2: get to number three in his read. You know, the
Speaker 2: big question is just going to be the arm strength.
Speaker 2: You know, I had a couple, you know, a couple
Speaker 2: of brain cramps during the year, but I thought he
Speaker 2: cleaned all that stuff up. You know, everybody's gonna look
Speaker 2: at the Oregon game, the first meeting, you know, with
Speaker 2: running the clock out there at the end of that
Speaker 2: ball game, and you know, some turnovers against against Penn State.
Speaker 2: But I thought he got better and throughout the year.
Speaker 2: I just want to see him throw live. I've never
Speaker 2: seen him throw live. I want to see what his
Speaker 2: arm looks like. Tyler Schuck from Louisville is older. He's
Speaker 2: twenty five. He's got four degrees, so he's probably gonna
Speaker 2: be as well educated as anybody on your football team.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine anybody having more than that. He can
Speaker 2: drive the ball. He's big and strong. He's another one
Speaker 2: who can get to number three in the progression. He
Speaker 2: can throw off balance. He's got a lot of arm talent.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of lot to like there. One of
Speaker 2: the things with him is just pocket awareness stuff. He
Speaker 2: bails too much instead of just sliding, shuffling and finding
Speaker 2: space within the pocket. But he's a big, strong dude yours.
Speaker 2: There's there's a few guys that are on my list
Speaker 2: to go back after the combine, after I get some
Speaker 2: time after watching all these guys and go back to
Speaker 2: twenty three tape, because you know, look, I know he
Speaker 2: wasn't helly this year, but he just he did not
Speaker 2: take the step I was hoping he would take. He
Speaker 2: is still young at twenty one, He's got quick feet,
Speaker 2: quick release, but he just he got it a lot
Speaker 2: of bad habits. I didn't think he played with any conviction,
Speaker 2: just not trusting what he's seeing, got real sloppy with
Speaker 2: his feet, and everything kind of got away from him.
Speaker 2: So the team had tremendous success, and he obviously made
Speaker 2: some big time throws in the playoffs, but overall, the
Speaker 2: not the step forward I was hoping for him. And
Speaker 2: then last one I think you mentioned was Kyle McCord
Speaker 2: from Syracuse reminded me a lot of Derek Carr at Fresno.
Speaker 2: Quick feet, quick eyes, you see some RPO stuff there.
Speaker 2: He's accurate, he's got a touch down the field, he
Speaker 2: can gass it up and give you some velocity when needed,
Speaker 2: just played real aggressive and was a little bit frenetic
Speaker 2: at times and also ran himself into some sacks. So
Speaker 2: all those guys have, you know, different strengths and weaknesses.
Speaker 2: I think they're all intriguing type players. To me, they're
Speaker 2: more ideally you'd love to get them in the third round.
Speaker 2: You know, I think Dart will be gone by them,
Speaker 2: But I think the rest of these guys, that's more
Speaker 2: the range that I have them. But in terms of
Speaker 2: someone you'd want to work with, Gosh, it sounds weird
Speaker 2: even though he's older, but for what they're doing, I mean,
Speaker 2: Tyler Shuck to me would be UH would be someone
Speaker 2: I would be interested in maybe taking a flyer on
Speaker 2: there in the third round.
Speaker 57: Very interesting. That was actually gonna be my other question.
Speaker 57: What do you think of Tyler Shuck? But do you
Speaker 57: you your mind reader to an addition.
Speaker 4: To being.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Thanks for your time.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Brandon Kritstl of Guerrilla Sports.
Speaker 39: Hey DJ, first time, long time.
Speaker 47: With some mu's talk about shadur And and Travis Center,
Speaker 47: I was curious what you thought of the other UH
Speaker 47: prospects from see specifically all the white outs obviously a
Speaker 47: couple more will be at the combine, and then I
Speaker 47: don't think Ull Shepherd will be. And then separately, what
Speaker 47: do you think of the two Jayhawks Devin Neil and
Speaker 47: the Hawk Mamba Kobe Bryant.
Speaker 2: Well, there you go, all right, cool, I'll start. Good
Speaker 2: to hear your voice. By the way, I'll go Colorado.
Speaker 2: I mean we've I think we've. You know, Travis Hunter is.
Speaker 2: Travis Hunter is like someone took someone went to the
Speaker 2: Philadelphi Eagles and took DeVante's Davante Smith and Darius Slay
Speaker 2: and just like spun him around in a circle and
Speaker 2: they came out as the same human being. He's he's
Speaker 2: he's unique, but wester is you know, for someone who's
Speaker 2: just over five nine hundred and seventy seven pounds, not
Speaker 2: real big, but ultra dynamic explosive. I like the fact
Speaker 2: he had twenty one explosives and only three drops. He's
Speaker 2: sudden getting in and out of breaks. Just gonna have
Speaker 2: to play him in space, you know, that's where his
Speaker 2: game is. And I thought he was, you know, kind
Speaker 2: of in that fourth round range Jimmy Horns a little bit, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, in that same vein I like Wester a
Speaker 2: little bit more, but Horn a lot of quick hitters.
Speaker 2: He's tough and strong through contact, he can uh uh
Speaker 2: you know, he can really see things, feel things instinctive wise.
Speaker 2: I didn't think he was quite as elusive after the
Speaker 2: catch there, but uh, someone who's uh, you know, definitely
Speaker 2: kind of an interesting down the line player. You didn't
Speaker 2: ask me about Colorado of state guys by the way there.
Speaker 2: I feel like that's, uh, that's not serving your market properly.
Speaker 2: When you have someone that like Tory Horton, who's a really,
Speaker 2: really good player, I'm just busting your chops.
Speaker 47: And then yeah, I read a chime in on Tory
Speaker 47: Horton too.
Speaker 2: Obviously was banged up a little bit. No, I know,
Speaker 2: he's one of my favorites. You know, I have had
Speaker 2: a chance to go back and watch him in twenty three.
Speaker 2: But inside outside, smooth mover, he can separate, he can
Speaker 2: change direction, he's got a big catch radius, knows how
Speaker 2: to play, knows how to work back. I mean, he's
Speaker 2: you're gonna see him climb through the spring. You're gonna
Speaker 2: start hearing a lot more about him as he's healthy
Speaker 2: in the spring, and you'll start seeing some buzz building
Speaker 2: on him. Let's get to your Jayhawks. I actually I'm
Speaker 2: logan Brown fan. You know, plays their right tackle. He's
Speaker 2: got quick feet, plays a little bit high, But I
Speaker 2: just like the fact that you got somebody that can
Speaker 2: work up to the second level swallows linebackers. He's got
Speaker 2: a little nasty edge to him when he's free. When
Speaker 2: he's free, he looks for work. So like that about him.
Speaker 2: Just over extends a little bit at time, something to
Speaker 2: work on. But I liked him to the tune of
Speaker 2: like third fourth round Kobe Bryant. You mentioned it. The
Speaker 2: ball production is excellent. He's lean, he's one hundred and
Speaker 2: seventy one pounds. I don't love that. But he can
Speaker 2: take the ball away. You know that. The the Houston
Speaker 2: game will show you that. Just watch him and cover three,
Speaker 2: just drive and pull it away. He can. He can
Speaker 2: find the ball with his back to the quarterback, which
Speaker 2: is very hard to do. He's got really quick feet
Speaker 2: and for someone who's not big and who's light like that,
Speaker 2: although it's always kind of a low tackler, but he's
Speaker 2: he's got a decent batting average as a tackler. So
Speaker 2: he's again someone I think if he was a little
Speaker 2: bit bigger, we'll be talking about him probably more in
Speaker 2: that you know, second round range. But I think he's
Speaker 2: probably three four is where we see him go oh,
Speaker 2: he want me to I'm just looking through another couple
Speaker 2: more on the maybe two more. By the way, Dotson
Speaker 2: had the five picks at the other corner zone. Eyes
Speaker 2: sees it well, drives through the receiver to the ball,
Speaker 2: just got out muscled a little bit times. He's the
Speaker 2: Day three guy for me, Devin Neil short step or
Speaker 2: he can make you miss the productions, excellent looks to
Speaker 2: get vertical as fast as possible. I thought he was
Speaker 2: a little bit quicker than fast. I'm anxious to see
Speaker 2: what he runs. But someone who's definitely a you know,
Speaker 2: valuable option is a check down back and someone who's
Speaker 2: an efficient runner two hundred and twenty pounds.
Speaker 47: Thanks dj, I'll see an indie if you make it
Speaker 47: all right.
Speaker 2: See but.
Speaker 3: Nice question is from Matt Ryan of Baltimore Ravens dot Com.
Speaker 1: Hey, Daniel, I appreciate you taking the time. I'm just
Speaker 1: curious with the defensive line depth in this class, and
Speaker 1: you know, the top end talent that they have do
Speaker 1: you think that teams could kind of wait until later
Speaker 1: rounds just because of you know, how many starter level
Speaker 1: level players there are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's I think there's a couple of
Speaker 2: positions in this draft where that's going to be the discussion.
Speaker 2: When you look at if you are dead set on
Speaker 2: getting a defensive tackle, edge rusher, running back, tight end,
Speaker 2: I think that you have to you know, you have
Speaker 2: to look at the combination. And this is you know
Speaker 2: what you do in the draft rooms. You take the
Speaker 2: combination of players. Okay, if we take the running back
Speaker 2: in the first round and we take the tackle in
Speaker 2: the second round, what does that combination look like versus
Speaker 2: flipping it. We get the tackle first, we come back
Speaker 2: and get the you know, the running back, edge rush
Speaker 2: or whatever position later. I just think those are some
Speaker 2: positions of real, real depth. So, you know, if that's
Speaker 2: if that's a need for you along the defensive line,
Speaker 2: running back, tight end, I think you might look at
Speaker 2: going another position early, knowing you could you can circle
Speaker 2: back and still get a really talented player, you know,
Speaker 2: not just in this year, but historically, like guys, whereas
Speaker 2: I don't know that the top fifteen of this draft
Speaker 2: marries up with some of the better top fifteens we've
Speaker 2: seen over the last decade. But I do think the
Speaker 2: day two mix, I think it's very similar, So I
Speaker 2: think there's quality to be had there.
Speaker 3: Next question, Ray Ditty Paldo from Pittsburgh Post Gazette. Hope
Speaker 3: I didn't butcher that name.
Speaker 12: You did not, Thank you, Daniel.
Speaker 58: There's a discussion a couple of years ago about the
Speaker 58: value of taking a guy like Jordan Davis in the
Speaker 58: middle of the first round.
Speaker 9: You know, a two down player.
Speaker 58: He's been that for the Eagle, So same question a
Speaker 58: couple of years later. But if you could spin that
Speaker 58: towards the Steelers, would there be value there taking a
Speaker 58: guy like Kenneth Grant who could help your run defense,
Speaker 58: or would you rather see them a twenty one go
Speaker 58: after a guy with more three down versatility, you know,
Speaker 58: pick your guy Harriman, whoever that might be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think Kenneth has that upside in him.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's gonna be three hundred and forty pounds
Speaker 2: and he's going to run under five flat. I mean,
Speaker 2: you're just going to see an athlete. It's a freak.
Speaker 2: He just hasn't you know. He's not a polished rusher yet,
Speaker 2: so I think that's all in front of him, and
Speaker 2: I think in the meantime, he's someone who is going
Speaker 2: to dominate against the run. He's going to eat blocks.
Speaker 2: And you know as a league that's gone, you know,
Speaker 2: to so much shell coverage and become so obsessed with
Speaker 2: taking away explosives, Well, you do that, you got to
Speaker 2: play with light boxes, and so I do think that
Speaker 2: talking to people around the league and just you know,
Speaker 2: following a team around the league and speaking to people
Speaker 2: every week, there's more value in these guys. Now. It's
Speaker 2: kind of everything's kind of come around a little bit
Speaker 2: where it was that, man, if you can't really rush
Speaker 2: the passer, I'm not going to expend the high resources
Speaker 2: on you as a defensive lineman a defensive tackle. And
Speaker 2: now it's like, you know what, we're trying to take
Speaker 2: away explosive plays, we're a little light in the box.
Speaker 2: Having someone that can dominate against the run and let
Speaker 2: us play our coverage over the top is huge, and
Speaker 2: he's I think he's got more as a rusher. I'm
Speaker 2: I have this vision in my head and and this
Speaker 2: is probably a sign that I haven't been sleeping much
Speaker 2: but I just remember going back to Albert Hainsworth when
Speaker 2: he was with Tennessee playing with van in Bosh. I'm
Speaker 2: not comparing him in terms of, you know, people work
Speaker 2: out all the stuff. I'm just saying a big jumbo
Speaker 2: athlete like that that you could kick out at end
Speaker 2: and then they would put Vandenbosch inside and they could
Speaker 2: run games and do all those things. And then, like
Speaker 2: I think Kenneth Grant, he's got the ability and the
Speaker 2: tools to do some unique stuff and he has not
Speaker 2: come close to scratching the surface of his potential. So
Speaker 2: I would have no problem whatsoever if the Eagle or
Speaker 2: if the Steelers made that pick, and I'd be I'd
Speaker 2: be pretty pumped up about it if I were a
Speaker 2: Steeler fan.
Speaker 26: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Jessa Nance of tied one hundred
Speaker 3: point nine.
Speaker 59: Hey, Daniel, I have a question about Alabama players Campbell
Speaker 59: and Tyler Booker. I know if you've spoken on them
Speaker 59: a bit, but my question is, so far Jahad you
Speaker 59: have him, if he's still around, why would it be
Speaker 59: a great, great idea to take him at that twenty
Speaker 59: ninth spot. And if Tyler Booker is able to go
Speaker 59: to Chicago, what could he how could he be beneficial
Speaker 59: to that Chicago team? And then additionally, what does Jalen
Speaker 59: Milro need to do on combine, in the combine and
Speaker 59: on pro Day to at least get back into the
Speaker 59: second round?
Speaker 2: Cool? I will I will go those one at a
Speaker 2: time here. So with Campbell in Washington, I think that
Speaker 2: represents a tremendous value there at pick number twenty nine.
Speaker 2: And again, if you obviously have seen him and when
Speaker 2: he when he plays off the ball, and the range
Speaker 2: and the ability to use him as a blitzer from
Speaker 2: off the ball is pretty is pretty special. And then
Speaker 2: I'm not so sure you can't just get to third
Speaker 2: down and let him kick out side full time and
Speaker 2: let him rush and he might go get you ten
Speaker 2: sacks doing that. So that would constitute a tremendous value
Speaker 2: there at pick number twenty nine in my opinion, based
Speaker 2: off the player, I think they would love coaching him there,
Speaker 2: and dan Quinn would love him in Washington. Booker with
Speaker 2: the Bears, it's the biggest need the Bears have when
Speaker 2: you look at them offensive line wise, they have got
Speaker 2: to be better. They've got to be more firm up
Speaker 2: the middle and That's Booker's calling card, is how he
Speaker 2: can set his anchor and is just a strong, firm
Speaker 2: presence there as well as someone who's so smart and
Speaker 2: bright and aware. I like the fact when you have
Speaker 2: a young quarterback and Caleb Williams surrounding him everywhere with
Speaker 2: as many smart players as you can. I just think
Speaker 2: that helps in a big way. And that doesn't necessarily
Speaker 2: have to just be veterans. It can be with really
Speaker 2: really smart young players and that's what Booker is, So
Speaker 2: I think that fits and solves a lot of their
Speaker 2: problems there. And then when it comes to Milrow, it's
Speaker 2: just again, you know, continuing to grow as a passer.
Speaker 2: You know, get your cleats in the ground. There's time
Speaker 2: so he can get up a little bit on his toes.
Speaker 2: Just be just just relax, be comfortable, drop your shoulders,
Speaker 2: put your cleats in the ground and h and let
Speaker 2: and let the let the ball come off your hand.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's all in there as a runner. I
Speaker 2: was talking to a baseball GM the other day and
Speaker 2: we were, you know, kind of referencing how we grade
Speaker 2: players in the scale that we use the scouting skill
Speaker 2: and in baseball, it goes up to eighty, and they
Speaker 2: reference everything by saying, someone's got you know, he's got
Speaker 2: a sixty five fastball, he's got seventy speed, he's got
Speaker 2: you know, fifty makeup what have you? And I was like,
Speaker 2: you know, it's interesting. If I was thinking about this
Speaker 2: draft and you take all the quarterbacks and you took
Speaker 2: all their individual skills and you put them on that scale,
Speaker 2: I would say that he's the only one who has
Speaker 2: an eighty trait, which is his ability to run like
Speaker 2: he is an eighty runner. It is a special special
Speaker 2: talent that he has. So I hope, I don't know
Speaker 2: if he's gonna run a forty or not, uh at
Speaker 2: the combine or at the pro day, but I I
Speaker 2: would not be surprised if the second number was a three,
Speaker 2: just watching the tape of how fast he is and
Speaker 2: how good of a runner he is. So now it's
Speaker 2: just continue to grow and uh and and show through
Speaker 2: the spring meet with teams. He's going to have zooms,
Speaker 2: he's gonna have he's gonna have visits, you know, show
Speaker 2: them that that uh, you know, you've got a thirst
Speaker 2: to improve and and uh, I would not be surprised
Speaker 2: at all if somebody you know, was was excited about
Speaker 2: that and and they were to uh, you know, to
Speaker 2: pull the trigger there at that point in time. So
Speaker 2: I think right now most teams have him more third
Speaker 2: or fourth round. But to your point, he's got an
Speaker 2: opportunity to spring to see if he can em better that.
Speaker 2: Thank you sure.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Angelique Chingellis of Detroit News.
Speaker 60: Thanks so much, And Daniel, I just wanted to ask
Speaker 60: you very quickly another Michigan question. Uh, your impressions of
Speaker 60: the running backs Donovan Edwards and Kalel Mallin and Donovan
Speaker 60: seemed to improve his stock a bit at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 60: And my second question is way early in the call
Speaker 60: you mention you were talking about Mason Graham and yeah,
Speaker 60: and so that you hope people don't overthink it too
Speaker 60: much with him, And I was just wondering what you meant, like,
Speaker 60: what what might they overthink with with Mason?
Speaker 2: Well, I think he's not going to be long, He's
Speaker 2: gonna have short arms, you know, body type wise, he's
Speaker 2: not going to be someone who's going to stand up
Speaker 2: on a stage, you know, in a line full of
Speaker 2: these defensive linemen and you're gonna go, oh, gosh, that
Speaker 2: looks like the top ten defensive linemen. He just doesn't
Speaker 2: he doesn't cut that image, you know, he doesn't have
Speaker 2: that body type. So and I don't know, testing wise,
Speaker 2: I have no clue, you know, how he's going to
Speaker 2: run or jump or do all those things. I do
Speaker 2: know some of these other guys are going to blow
Speaker 2: it out, so that that's kind of my point on him.
Speaker 2: But the tape is so good. I don't know many
Speaker 2: people remember this one, but I was in Baltimore with
Speaker 2: Kelly Gregg, and he's got more twitch to him, more
Speaker 2: suddenness and than Kelly. But Kelly was a wrestler who
Speaker 2: played with leverage and you I mean, if you if
Speaker 2: he played on a field of wet paint, he did
Speaker 2: not have a drop of paint on him at the
Speaker 2: end of the game. And that's kind of the way
Speaker 2: it is with Mason. He's got such good balance and
Speaker 2: strength and leverage. He's again I'm a big fan of his,
Speaker 2: but that's what I was referencing in terms of the spring.
Speaker 2: If if you know, we take the football pants off
Speaker 2: and put the shorts on, that maybe he would take
Speaker 2: on some water there. So that was my thought process
Speaker 2: on the running backs. Khalil Mullings was a was a
Speaker 2: fun one to me. You know, he kind of going
Speaker 2: to the year and you know, Donovan is the one.
Speaker 2: He's on the video game and that's all the attention
Speaker 2: and all the eyeballs, and then I know he didn't
Speaker 2: quite have the year he wanted. But Mullings, you know,
Speaker 2: for someone that's two hundred and twenty seven pounds, I
Speaker 2: thought he had vision. I thought he ran with balance,
Speaker 2: he can push the pile. I love the fact he
Speaker 2: never put the ball on the ground, he didn't fumble.
Speaker 2: The se game was the first one I watched. You know,
Speaker 2: he's got the stiff arm and the long run to
Speaker 2: kind of set up his touchdown at the end of
Speaker 2: that game to really pull out one that they you know,
Speaker 2: might not should have won. But he was able to,
Speaker 2: uh to kind of lead the charge. There not a
Speaker 2: factor in the passing game with only six catches, so
Speaker 2: that's something, you know, we'll see if that impacts where
Speaker 2: he goes. But I had him more in like that
Speaker 2: fourth round. Range had a similar grade with Donovan. You know,
Speaker 2: you've got some flashes with him this year. They flashed
Speaker 2: the power he uh, you know, he's another one's got
Speaker 2: a nice little stiff arm. He can catch the ball
Speaker 2: out of the backfield. I just thought he didn't run
Speaker 2: with you know, with a lot of wiggle, and I
Speaker 2: didn't quite see the same burst that I was hoping
Speaker 2: to see. And you're right, the Senior Bowl was better.
Speaker 2: But uh, you know, he's someone I think that uh,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't think this year you saw his best.
Speaker 2: So I'm hoping that that's uh, that's gonna that's gonna
Speaker 2: show up wherever he lands, and and we'll see the
Speaker 2: younger version of him.
Speaker 39: Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Sure, all right, let's take a quick break. We'll be
Speaker 2: right back with the rest of this year's NFL Scouting
Speaker 2: Combine Conference.
Speaker 61: Call just past the two hour mark, DJ, so hopefully
Speaker 61: we can we can get to these last few questions
Speaker 61: here in order. Next question is from Ryan Hinton of
Speaker 61: Saints Block Party.
Speaker 62: Hey, DJ, sorry about that.
Speaker 20: I really wanted to find out.
Speaker 62: It seems like Jackson Dart seems to be getting quite
Speaker 62: a bit of buzz in these last couple of weeks,
Speaker 62: especially since the Senior Bowl. I just wanted to know, like,
Speaker 62: what are your thoughts on him and kind of where
Speaker 62: does he where does he level out at with this
Speaker 62: quarterback class.
Speaker 2: Sure, I have him as the third guy. The things
Speaker 2: that that you like about Jackson, I see there's some similarities.
Speaker 2: People will maybe raise their eyebrows on this, but I
Speaker 2: do see some similarities to Hurts when Hurts was going
Speaker 2: through the process US and that got kind of a
Speaker 2: similar build, similar frame. They're both really good athletes, they're
Speaker 2: both beloved by their teammates, say the right things, do
Speaker 2: all the right things, all that stuff kind of off
Speaker 2: the field. There's a lot of similarities there. And I
Speaker 2: thought with Jalen he got better every year. He just
Speaker 2: kept just taking steps. And we've seen it since he's
Speaker 2: coming to the league. He just he just keeps getting
Speaker 2: better and better and better because he's just he's got
Speaker 2: great wiring. He works really really hard, and there's a
Speaker 2: competitiveness and a toughness to him. So that's some of
Speaker 2: the things that I that I really like about Jackson.
Speaker 2: This offense, you know they're not gonna get real deep
Speaker 2: into progressions. Lane does a really good job of getting
Speaker 2: to the point where you know early in progressions you're
Speaker 2: gonna have places to distribute the football. So you'll see
Speaker 2: some RPOs. You'll see some seams, uh some they take
Speaker 2: a lot of deep shots, but they're kind of designed
Speaker 2: deep shots, so you kind of know where the ball's going.
Speaker 2: But he throws a nice, you know, nice deep ball.
Speaker 2: When to work on from that regard not just kind
Speaker 2: of getting deeper in progressions, but there's times where I
Speaker 2: think his eyes can be a little bit ahead of
Speaker 2: his feet, just kind of sinking that up, marrying that
Speaker 2: up a little bit better, and just you know, continuing
Speaker 2: to uh, you know, to be cautious and careful with
Speaker 2: the football and some some key moments that's uh, you know,
Speaker 2: that's some areas for him. But I have met him.
Speaker 2: He is a really really good kid, presents himself really well,
Speaker 2: and I think there's, uh, there's a lot of tools
Speaker 2: to work with. So that's why I happened as a
Speaker 2: third quarterback.
Speaker 20: Thanks.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Jim Alexander of Real Talker.
Speaker 63: Sorry, hey, DJ. Two Bears questions here. First, one, do
Speaker 63: you think they'll have their pick of choosing for the
Speaker 63: offensive lineman available in the draft. And second of all,
Speaker 63: when you look back at Roma Dunes that he didn't
Speaker 63: have the best of years last year, do you still
Speaker 63: project him to be the top talent that you were
Speaker 63: projecting him to be last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have any I don't have any concerns
Speaker 2: about him. I think he's gonna be really really good.
Speaker 2: There was, uh, you know, obviously there's issues up front
Speaker 2: offensive line wise, and there was a you know, there
Speaker 2: was a lot of mouths to feed there. So I'm
Speaker 2: I'm excited about Ben Johnson come in there. I'm excited
Speaker 2: about him getting you know, uh to really have an
Speaker 2: opportunity to take off their Caleb's going to be better.
Speaker 2: I just think everything else around him is going to
Speaker 2: be better. But when I watch the tape, I still
Speaker 2: see somebody that can that can get open. I still
Speaker 2: see somebody that can make plays. And I think you'll
Speaker 2: you'll see him. His makeups so good and the talents there.
Speaker 2: I don't really worry about him, uh going forward. And
Speaker 2: then when you you look at where they're picking, do
Speaker 2: they get you know, the first crack at an offensive lineman. Look,
Speaker 2: there's some teams ahead of them that could that could
Speaker 2: pull the trigger. So I think that's TBD. But I
Speaker 2: do think the fact that you know, their need being
Speaker 2: along the interior, I think they're going to have their
Speaker 2: pick of interior guys so that I know it's not
Speaker 2: the sexiest thing in the world. I know people don't
Speaker 2: want to say get super excited about taking a guard
Speaker 2: with a tenth pick, but if you watched the Bears
Speaker 2: play last year, you might be excited about taking a
Speaker 2: guard with the tenth pick.
Speaker 63: Thanks DJ.
Speaker 3: Next question, we're going to go international. Ricardo Gomez from Portugal.
Speaker 34: I love DJ solosz Americo. Fellow DJ Gratings from Mexico.
Speaker 34: From guess Son Aguno's prospectus for Barsustoken Combine, what are
Speaker 34: some under the radar prospects you think could make a
Speaker 34: huge impact during the combine and Reister stuck.
Speaker 2: That's a great question. I am so glad you asked
Speaker 2: it in English because I I I'm gonna be honest,
Speaker 2: I did not pass Spanish one the first time I
Speaker 2: took it. I had to retake it, so I'm uh
Speaker 2: not proud of that. But I did eventually get get
Speaker 2: to get a passing grade, although I think it was
Speaker 2: a C. When I'm looking at some underrated players that
Speaker 2: I think are gonna flash at the combine, well, I've
Speaker 2: mentioned Harston from Kentucky. He's gonna absolutely fly and I
Speaker 2: mean he's in my top fifty. But you know, I
Speaker 2: think he's got a chance to run himself up into
Speaker 2: the first round conversation. You'll hear some some buzz and
Speaker 2: some conversation about him. There's a there's a couple of
Speaker 2: of edge rushers and defensive linemen that I think you're
Speaker 2: gonna see tests really really well that I'm uh that
Speaker 2: I'm high on. They're a good football player. Saveon Jones
Speaker 2: from LSU is gonna work out really well. He's two
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty nine pounds and uh, he was dominant
Speaker 2: in the Senior Bowl game. I mean he's going to
Speaker 2: be a Day two pick, but I think you could
Speaker 2: see him really put on a show there and run
Speaker 2: particularly well. You look at the edge rushers that are
Speaker 2: going to be impressive. I think Braden Swinson from LSU,
Speaker 2: his teammate, has a chance to work out run really well.
Speaker 2: Aman Hassanin from Boise State, who's a great story is
Speaker 2: a is a kid who grew up in Egypt. He's
Speaker 2: gonna he's he's productive there at Boise State. He's uh,
Speaker 2: you know, he's going to test. I think he's going
Speaker 2: to surprise some people with how he works out and
Speaker 2: how he tests. So those are those are some of
Speaker 2: the guys that I think you'll see create some buzz there.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of an offensive maybe an offensive
Speaker 2: lineman I can find for you. Well, I mean he's
Speaker 2: not he's not necessarily under the radar, but I do
Speaker 2: think Membo from Missouri is going to work out extremely
Speaker 2: well at three hundred and thirty pounds. We'll be talking
Speaker 2: about him.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Phil Jones of New Stitch Media.
Speaker 9: Hey, Daniel, thanks for having us on today.
Speaker 2: No problem, So just.
Speaker 64: Jumping on the number six pick with the Raiders. Now
Speaker 64: you have on your mob draft two point zero. You
Speaker 64: got Shadora fall into them. But you know, in the
Speaker 64: last few years we haven't seeing the Raiders needed a quarterback,
Speaker 64: and you know they kind of just didn't go that route.
Speaker 64: Is there a possible ability if Chador has not been
Speaker 64: there at six besides going defense like Will Johnson, like
Speaker 64: you said earlier, would they go someone like, you know,
Speaker 64: maybe McMillan or maybe probably Gent and then come down
Speaker 64: to the thirty seventh pick, would they probably look at
Speaker 64: a Jackson Dark or maybe Jaln Milroe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think Dart would enter into that
Speaker 2: discussion mill Row. That would be a little bit early
Speaker 2: based off where I have him. But I think you
Speaker 2: you know, look, you do all your homework in the
Speaker 2: spring and get to know him and work him out,
Speaker 2: and obviously the upside is there. So I wouldn't rule
Speaker 2: out eventually getting to that point. I'm not there at
Speaker 2: that at that point, at this point in time in
Speaker 2: terms of some of those other options, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, you could go on a whole whole host
Speaker 2: of different directions there. I would love, you know, I
Speaker 2: would love Genty the only thing. And I'm again, he's
Speaker 2: my third overall player. I'm a huge, huge gente believer
Speaker 2: and I am one when it comes to running backs.
Speaker 2: I just my theory is not, you know, do you
Speaker 2: take them high? Do you not take them high? My
Speaker 2: theory is that you take the running back when you
Speaker 2: have everything in place that he can hit. All his
Speaker 2: carries matter. I just don't want to give away carries.
Speaker 2: They only have so many carries in their body and
Speaker 2: I want them all to matter and to count for something.
Speaker 2: So I just don't know if the Raiders team wise
Speaker 2: are there at this point in time where that would
Speaker 2: make as much sense to me. That's, you know, more
Speaker 2: kind of a finishing piece than one of those early
Speaker 2: pieces there. So I mean we've we've kind of seen
Speaker 2: it with the Giants with Sequon Barkley, Like we saw
Speaker 2: a Saquon Barkley on the team that wasn't ready for him,
Speaker 2: and then we saw a Saquon Barkley with the team
Speaker 2: that was ready made. And you can see the impact
Speaker 2: in the and the and the value there. So I
Speaker 2: just that would be my one, my one counter argument there,
Speaker 2: even though I have gent as the third best player
Speaker 2: in the draft real quick.
Speaker 64: With Chip ca Ally's offense, Uh, between the three quarterbacks,
Speaker 64: who would be a good fit.
Speaker 2: For it, I think she door fits it really well.
Speaker 2: I think he I think he sees the field well.
Speaker 2: I think you make good decisions. You know, Chip can
Speaker 2: get play out there with tight ends. Now you know
Speaker 2: we've seen his offense morph and change over the years,
Speaker 2: So I just think he'd be able to, uh get
Speaker 2: them in the right play, get them where they want
Speaker 2: to be, and and uh and deliver the ball accurately,
Speaker 2: make good decisions. So that's why that one, Uh, that
Speaker 2: one I've I've had I think for a couple of
Speaker 2: times there of that being the fit and I think
Speaker 2: should or not necessarily having a huge, huge arm, you
Speaker 2: know in uh in that division and in that home stadium.
Speaker 2: That's it doesn't matter. He's got plenty of armed to
Speaker 2: do everything he needs to do there.
Speaker 9: Thank you, appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Ye.
Speaker 3: Most question is from Mark Wiser of the Athens bar
Speaker 3: Banner Hrald.
Speaker 65: Hey, Daniel, you alluded to another big Georgia draft class,
Speaker 65: safety Dan Jackson, did not get one of their fourteen
Speaker 65: combine invites. Did that surprise you? And what value do
Speaker 65: you see it in him at the next level?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was surprised because he had a good week
Speaker 2: at the Senior Bowl. You know, he had a couple
Speaker 2: of big hits both in practice and in the game.
Speaker 2: So that one I caught me a little bit off guard.
Speaker 2: Now he's he's not the he's not the biggest guy
Speaker 2: in terms of the you know, the witwity weigh here.
Speaker 2: He was one hundred and ninety four pounds, so yeah,
Speaker 2: he's five eleven six, so just under six foot, one
Speaker 2: hundred and ninety four pounds. But tape wise, I mean
Speaker 2: I had him in like the fifth round is the
Speaker 2: grade that I gave him. You know, he's got a
Speaker 2: quick pedal, can plant and drive big hits on tape
Speaker 2: as well is at the Senior Bowl. He plays with
Speaker 2: a physical presence, takes good angles. There are some misses, yeah,
Speaker 2: some ricochet misses just because he doesn't wrap up, but
Speaker 2: it's not for a lack of throwing himself in there.
Speaker 2: But I thought he saw the field well and I
Speaker 2: also thought he had a little value as a blitzer,
Speaker 2: So yeah, I thought he was. I think he's definitely
Speaker 2: aftable player. Was a little surprised he didn't get invite
Speaker 2: and quickly for.
Speaker 65: George offensive Linement at the combine. Thoughts on Tate Radledge,
Speaker 65: Jared Wilson, Dylan Fairchild, and Xavier Truss.
Speaker 2: Sure, I'll I'll go through him here. Wilson to me
Speaker 2: is the is the top one of the bunch as
Speaker 2: a center wide base. He plays with strong hands, he's
Speaker 2: he takes good angles the second level, real firm, He's
Speaker 2: aware on twists and games. He can recover and stay attached.
Speaker 2: I think he was an elite athlete. He just doesn't
Speaker 2: really get beat and he's a He's a good solid player.
Speaker 2: Rattledge was you know at right guard, he can it's
Speaker 2: more of a ceiling position blocker. Takes good angles, but
Speaker 2: kind of more all upper body, just wrestle the side
Speaker 2: note watching that Florida tape with the Florida's got that
Speaker 2: four hundred pounds defensive tackle and uh hit that that
Speaker 2: defensive tackle. Threw him around a little bit, but had
Speaker 2: some initial pop. Just didn't do a really good job
Speaker 2: of sustaining trusts. Uh and I had him kind of
Speaker 2: as a down the line guy. Trusts right tackle position
Speaker 2: blocker some right guard as well. Just plays a little
Speaker 2: bit high, struggles to change direction. Didn't think he was
Speaker 2: able to really bend and sync all that well, but
Speaker 2: does flash some power and can can pull and kick
Speaker 2: out again. Day three guy for me, and then we
Speaker 2: got Fairchild. Was that the last one? Yeah, Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: right Fairchild left guard, strong hands, does a good job.
Speaker 2: Hework in his hands, can control the point of attack.
Speaker 2: Just a little bit stiff again, plays a little bit high,
Speaker 2: looks for work, just a little bit limited athletically. So
Speaker 2: I thought Wilson was on a different tier personally than
Speaker 2: the rest of them, But uh uh, they're all going
Speaker 2: to get picked thanks much. Sure.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Joanne Coley of Commander's Game Day.
Speaker 9: Hi, DJ, how you doing doing great?
Speaker 66: So, you know the Commanders the offensive line has been
Speaker 66: a weak spot this season and they're also and they're
Speaker 66: also in need of a solid number two that's been
Speaker 66: a big top. So from your perspective, what's your offensive
Speaker 66: lineman and the draft commit like an immediate impact? And
Speaker 66: are there any wide receivers can step in that number
Speaker 66: to roll and compliment Terry McLaurin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll start with the receivers. Yeah, there's there's definitely receivers. Uh,
Speaker 2: you know, they're picking at the bottom of the first
Speaker 2: round there at pick twenty nine. I would love to
Speaker 2: run the card up for either Golden or a BUCA
Speaker 2: Luther Burden as we haven't talked about him yet. He's
Speaker 2: in that mix. You know, teams will have those guys
Speaker 2: in different orders, but I think any of those three
Speaker 2: guys would be uh, you know, good, good complimentary players.
Speaker 9: Sorry.
Speaker 2: Third one, which with Luther Burden from Missouri. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: so I compared him to Stefan Diggs coming out of college.
Speaker 2: You know, real quick athletic slot. A lot of quick
Speaker 2: hitters really strong hands, great body control. It's got some
Speaker 2: burst and make miss after the catch. You know, his
Speaker 2: production dip this year, his yards per catch dipped, but
Speaker 2: it was more more of a result of kind of
Speaker 2: some bad balls coming his way and just not getting
Speaker 2: you know, as many opportunities. So he's someone that if
Speaker 2: he has a good spring, he might not even be
Speaker 2: there when they pick. But those are those are some
Speaker 2: options there that at the bottom of the first round
Speaker 2: I think would would make a lot of sense. And
Speaker 2: then what was the other position you were asking about
Speaker 2: for immediate.
Speaker 9: Help our offensive line?
Speaker 2: Yeah, offensive line wise, you know, same guys we've kind
Speaker 2: of mentioned, Donovan Jackson, Gray's Abel. Those would be a
Speaker 2: couple that would be plugging play guys right out the
Speaker 2: jump if they were to be there there at pick
Speaker 2: number twenty nine. And then from you know, a tackle perspective,
Speaker 2: you know, you start getting into you know, Simmons if
Speaker 2: he were to be there, he's he's coming off of
Speaker 2: an injury, but he is out of Ohio State. He's man,
Speaker 2: he's ready to go. He could he could start right away.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Jamal at News for Jackson Jacksonville, Florida.
Speaker 67: Hey, DJ want to ask you about a couple of
Speaker 67: the guys that are from Jacksonville, Pat Bryan out of
Speaker 67: Illinois and Jalen Rivers from Miami going to be up
Speaker 67: there at the combine. What have you seen from those
Speaker 67: guys where you think they could end up in the draft.
Speaker 2: Sure, let's start first of all with Pat Bryant. I
Speaker 2: gave him a third round grade. There's a there's a
Speaker 2: big clump of receivers in there though, so you're going
Speaker 2: to see some of these guys, you know, fall beyond that.
Speaker 2: But outside he's uh, you know, wins on a lot
Speaker 2: of slants. He's an excellent adjuster down the field. It's
Speaker 2: one of my favorite things about him. He's a hands catcher,
Speaker 2: only one drop on the year. He's strong with the
Speaker 2: ball in his hands after the catch, he can win
Speaker 2: early with his release, and I love the toughness to
Speaker 2: work in traffic and kind of win some of those
Speaker 2: combat catches.
Speaker 17: Uh.
Speaker 2: And I love the size that he has. I just
Speaker 2: think he'd be a great fit there as a third
Speaker 2: round pick. And then Rivers from Miami. You know, obviously
Speaker 2: you start with the size, massive left tackle out there.
Speaker 2: He is, uh, you know, he He's one that I've
Speaker 2: said this about some of the linement, but just needs
Speaker 2: to play a little lower. It can get a little
Speaker 2: bit tall, a little bit high, and that struggles with
Speaker 2: some of the redirect things, you know, against counters and
Speaker 2: things like that. But can move, you know, outside, can
Speaker 2: pull and seal as a pass protector. He's a little
Speaker 2: bit of a scooper with his hands, kind of an
Speaker 2: underhook scooper. Some guys are you know, better at that
Speaker 2: than others, but you don't see that quite as much.
Speaker 2: But he's someone that I thought was a Day three
Speaker 2: pick early Day three with a ton of side, ton
Speaker 2: of upside and.
Speaker 67: Hey, one quick follow up.
Speaker 42: The Jaguars sitting at.
Speaker 67: Five, where do you think they could go to a
Speaker 67: guy to like Ted McMillan work to pair with BTJ.
Speaker 2: That's a little higher than I have him, but I
Speaker 2: have him as a top receiver, so you know they could, man,
Speaker 2: you'd have you'd have two power forward types. I mean,
Speaker 2: he's got unbelievable body control in hands to go play
Speaker 2: above the rim like red zone weapon Drake London esque.
Speaker 2: He just a real, real smooth mover. So yeah, I
Speaker 2: have him as the fifteenth players. I mean, gosh, I
Speaker 2: guess that's not that. That's not that far remove from
Speaker 2: where I haven't grated, So I think you could make
Speaker 2: that argument. That'd be a fun pairing. All right, let's
Speaker 2: take a quick break. We'll be right back with the
Speaker 2: rest of this year's NFL Scouting Combine Conference call.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Alan Alford of sports talk show
Speaker 3: in Tampa.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Daniel for doing this, really appreciate it.
Speaker 20: Thank you so much.
Speaker 68: And so my question is, you know Hall of Famer
Speaker 68: Deion Sanders coach Prime did say that Sador Sanders he
Speaker 68: doesn't want his son playing for four teams. That's the Browns,
Speaker 68: the Titans, the Jets, and Bears. Will this cause an issue,
Speaker 68: Let's say, if he does want to get taken by
Speaker 68: one of those teams.
Speaker 2: Is that like new news? By the way, I hadn't
Speaker 2: seen that.
Speaker 69: It's something that you know, his dad basically said that, Hey,
Speaker 69: I don't want him going to these four teams.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's so new, but it's something
Speaker 4: that his.
Speaker 20: Dad put out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I know I.
Speaker 69: Have him going eleventh. I know you haven't gone eleventh,
Speaker 69: but Jess, in case something does happen, you know it's
Speaker 69: a draft.
Speaker 4: How do you feel that might play itself out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, look I have I haven't
Speaker 2: seen all all of it to to wrap my head
Speaker 2: around it. But you know, look, I think if you're
Speaker 2: a team and you know, somebody doesn't want to doesn't
Speaker 2: want to play for you at that position, it's kind
Speaker 2: of a big deal. I don't know that I would
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know that I would fight City
Speaker 2: Hall on that one if someone really was adamant about
Speaker 2: not wanting to play there. So again it's it's you know,
Speaker 2: that would be kind of unique. But uh, I do
Speaker 2: think that Dion is Dion's right and smart from the
Speaker 2: standpoint that fit is incredibly important. And you know, we
Speaker 2: look at all these different quarterbacks last year, you know,
Speaker 2: just watching the you know, the Sam Darnold last year,
Speaker 2: seeing Baker Mayfield for the last couple of years, you
Speaker 2: have seen you know, where you are matters and fit matters. Uh,
Speaker 2: It's extremely important. So you know, if that's what, if
Speaker 2: that's what Dion said or did, I would totally I
Speaker 2: would totally understand his uh, you know, his reasoning for
Speaker 2: wanting to make sure that his son end up on
Speaker 2: the right spot. So that's the parent side of it,
Speaker 2: and then from the team side of it, I just
Speaker 2: don't think you. I don't think you're gonna want to
Speaker 2: bring in somebody that doesn't necessarily want to be there.
Speaker 2: So again I haven't seen the report. I haven't seen
Speaker 2: the information yet, but that would be my reaction to it.
Speaker 4: And just a quick fill up on it.
Speaker 69: Do you think maybe the dad maybe she could reconsider
Speaker 69: that position?
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think. I mean, look, Dion's is gonna
Speaker 2: you know, Dion's not the average you know, coach or
Speaker 2: dad like he knows the NFL inside.
Speaker 36: Now.
Speaker 2: I don't think that Dion would speak or say something
Speaker 2: without doing his homework and and uh and saying it
Speaker 2: with conviction. So I wouldn't want to be the person
Speaker 2: who's going to try and change Dion's mind if he's
Speaker 2: if he's said that publicly, then I know he's you know,
Speaker 2: he's done his homework on that and and I wouldn't
Speaker 2: imagine that would change.
Speaker 12: Appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Thank you sure.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Ellie May Williamson and Tennessee.
Speaker 11: Hi.
Speaker 26: Thanks for having this whole call. It's been very informative.
Speaker 26: You already mentioned the Tennessee players and how you stood
Speaker 26: on each one of them. But which one would you
Speaker 26: feel is more strong for this combine and this setup.
Speaker 26: I know you mentioned a lot and Pierce teams being
Speaker 26: not too sure about him, and then also Sampson, But
Speaker 26: what do you see from that group of six coming
Speaker 26: to coming.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm hoping Pierce does everything because he sure as
Speaker 2: heck plays explosive and fast, so I would imagine he
Speaker 2: would test extremely well. I'm you know on Samson, you know,
Speaker 2: just and talking to guys around the league and everything
Speaker 2: and are familiar with with his training and stuff that
Speaker 2: you know he's he plays extremely fast and explosive, but
Speaker 2: might not the testing might not, so you know, just
Speaker 2: in terms of him ripping off a four to three
Speaker 2: or something like that. So the one that would the
Speaker 2: one that would entice me and intrigue me the most,
Speaker 2: would would absolutely be Pierced.
Speaker 26: Okay, thank you, you're welcome.
Speaker 3: Next question is Adam West with the Saints question.
Speaker 2: Hi, DJ, thanks for doing this.
Speaker 52: Always really appreciate you man, just from kind of knowing
Speaker 52: when I know the Saints really feel and Emmer were
Speaker 52: potentially adding Will Johnson and Tatoro McMillan potentially at nine.
Speaker 52: You kind of spoke to why Will Johnson may be there,
Speaker 52: and I think prior to this season, the idea of
Speaker 52: those two players being there at nine kind of seeing
Speaker 52: Ludigrits going by like three mock drafts, but he maybe
Speaker 52: talk about you know, Will Johnson's twenty twenty three of
Speaker 52: like what he would bring as a player, and in
Speaker 52: tetaroa as I think you made the Drake London comparison
Speaker 52: is kind of what I see him as of like
Speaker 52: what he would bring to an offense if he was
Speaker 52: the pick at nine for the Saints.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I again, I think that comes down
Speaker 2: to the personnel department and the coaching staff getting on
Speaker 2: the same page. The reason why I haven't had them
Speaker 2: going with a skill player is just just based off
Speaker 2: of where Kellen was coming from as a as a
Speaker 2: head coach. But you know, you get together with the
Speaker 2: personnel department there and they'll come up with the best plan.
Speaker 2: But you know, Will Will has got I mean, he
Speaker 2: is central casting for what you want a corner to
Speaker 2: look like. He is, he is tall, he's he's rangy,
Speaker 2: He's a fluid athlete, fluid mover, he's got really really
Speaker 2: good eyes, He's got excellent ball skills, So that's where
Speaker 2: you start. That's a really good foundation. And I think
Speaker 2: in twenty three I just thought there was a little
Speaker 2: more physicality to him than we saw this year. So
Speaker 2: you know, that's you know, it is what it is.
Speaker 2: And then I just thought guys got on top of
Speaker 2: him a couple times this year, and that could be
Speaker 2: just you know, it could be not necessarily have to
Speaker 2: be a speed thing, can be a focus thing. And
Speaker 2: you know, they played a lot of games the year before.
Speaker 2: Obviously the team was in a different position. You know,
Speaker 2: it wasn't as good of a team. It's all coming
Speaker 2: off of a long season. He knows, you know, he's
Speaker 2: going to be a top fifteen pick going into the year,
Speaker 2: and so you know, I can understand how maybe it
Speaker 2: didn't match what we'd seen previously. But then you get
Speaker 2: to McMillan. You know, again just mentioned him and talking
Speaker 2: about him a minute ago. The size is outstanding, the body,
Speaker 2: controlling ball skills are as good as you're going to see.
Speaker 2: There were some I didn't talk about really the negatives
Speaker 2: with him last time, but there are some times just
Speaker 2: on backside of routes. I don't really see him busting
Speaker 2: it all the time, So you know, I'd like to
Speaker 2: see that just be a little bit more consistent and
Speaker 2: competitive with each with each rep in that regard. But
Speaker 2: someone who can man, he can play above the rim
Speaker 2: in a big, big way. They'd have some fun with him,
Speaker 2: especially down there in the red area. But you know,
Speaker 2: I just I just think that it'd be curious to
Speaker 2: see we call it copycat league, people paying attention to
Speaker 2: the teams that are playing well and winning and coming
Speaker 2: off of a Super Bowl that was just dominated at
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage, and you have the coach who
Speaker 2: was involved in that game. That's why I was leaning
Speaker 2: more towards that that side of things than a skill guy.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much, man sure.
Speaker 3: Next question is from Bleacher Reports Authentic.
Speaker 70: Hey, thanks for taking the time, DJ. So, I wanted
Speaker 70: to piggyback off of what Ryan dun leavy was talking about,
Speaker 70: where you have the New York Giants possibly passing up
Speaker 70: on Shador Sanders, and if that is a possibility, how
Speaker 70: do you see them addressing a quarterback and free agency
Speaker 70: considering that they have a coach and a general manager
Speaker 70: on the hot seat and no quarterbacks on the roster.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I was just you know, that was
Speaker 2: the whole Stafford theory, you know, of you know that
Speaker 2: that's the one that that was floating around, and that's
Speaker 2: why I went that way with the with the mock draft.
Speaker 2: In terms of other options, I don't think Sam Donold's
Speaker 2: probably going to be in a hurry to run back
Speaker 2: to New York. But know that's that's the best option
Speaker 2: in terms of the talent that uh that is out
Speaker 2: there and a team that needs to you know, you
Speaker 2: mentioned it. It's kind of tricky because you want to get
Speaker 2: your quarterback of the future, but there's some there's some
Speaker 2: pressure at least from the outside, not knowing anything on
Speaker 2: the inside to uh, you know, to to have a
Speaker 2: good year next year. So you know, relying on a
Speaker 2: young guy there can be a little bit tricky, but uh,
Speaker 2: you know, the the veteran options, that's gosh, somehow, trading
Speaker 2: for Matt Stafford would be way way, uh way way
Speaker 2: up there for me in the short term, at least
Speaker 2: with Sam Darnold being I just don't see that as
Speaker 2: a uh as a possibility there you're looking at, you know,
Speaker 2: potentially Derek Carr, Kirk Cousins, you know, there's a whole
Speaker 2: lot of other guys. But uh, yeah, it's not it's
Speaker 2: it's a lot of people have said this and and
Speaker 2: not just my opinion, but you know, talking to a
Speaker 2: lot of people around the league. Man, it's not coming
Speaker 2: off of a year last year we had all those quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's not just you know, it's not just if
Speaker 2: you're bad, it's when you're bad. And there's just not
Speaker 2: as many of those options this year.
Speaker 70: And just secondly, I wanted to ask you about a
Speaker 70: couple of prospects here on my shoe content for the
Speaker 70: University of Maryland. So I wanted your take where these
Speaker 70: two guys might go in the draft. It would be
Speaker 70: a ty Felton and Caden Prayed through the two wide receivers.
Speaker 70: And then also just wanted to get your opinion on
Speaker 70: a save you on Williams out of at TCU.
Speaker 2: Sure I'll do SAVI on Williams. First of all, is uh,
Speaker 2: he's a fun dude to watch man, like just all
Speaker 2: the different ways that they use him, just like a
Speaker 2: jumbo athlete does the wildcat stuff, you know, plays receiver.
Speaker 2: You know, he's just he's a. He's a big, strong, athletic,
Speaker 2: physical dude, and you know it's to me it just
Speaker 2: drops more than anything else had the eight drops this year,
Speaker 2: so you know, cleaning that stuff up. But he's a
Speaker 2: fun he's a fun, fun toy to play with in
Speaker 2: terms of all the different things that he can do
Speaker 2: and how they use him. There, Uh, the Maryland guys
Speaker 2: talking about those two wide receivers. With Felton, you know,
Speaker 2: productive can play inside outside, he can you know he can.
Speaker 2: He can wall guys off in traffic, he can build speed,
Speaker 2: he's fearless working in the middle of the field. He
Speaker 2: can go up and get it and high point the football.
Speaker 2: So I thought he played a little bit bigger than
Speaker 2: his size. And then with Prayther, Prayther has that size outside,
Speaker 2: you know, wins on a lot of shallow crossers quick screens,
Speaker 2: only had one drop. I just didn't know if he
Speaker 2: really had that second gear. So I'm anxious to see
Speaker 2: him run, but does a really nice job using his
Speaker 2: body shield guys off, wall guys off with that big frame.
Speaker 70: Well what round do you foresee those guys being drafted impossibly?
Speaker 2: Yep? I had Felton his third third round again, as
Speaker 2: a big clump of those guys. Third, fourth round and
Speaker 2: then it was more fifth round for me with prayther
Speaker 2: appreciate it sure.
Speaker 3: Last few questions here Mookie Hawkins and Buffalo DJ.
Speaker 2: My guys going good. What's up man?
Speaker 71: Not much man? You know, I'll see uh tuesday up
Speaker 71: in up in Indie. Man. But Bills at thirty lots
Speaker 71: of lots of help on that defensive line, whether defensive edge,
Speaker 71: de tackle, cornerback, safety. Which route do you think that
Speaker 71: the Bills would go at pick thirty?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean they too bad. They can't go all
Speaker 2: the above, right, I mean this is this is a
Speaker 2: team that it's just got to get better on third down,
Speaker 2: get off the field, find ways to get off the field.
Speaker 2: So I'm always gonna lean front to back versus back
Speaker 2: to front, so you know, looking at options for them
Speaker 2: they can get after the quarterback and you know, make
Speaker 2: a difference from that standpoint, that's that's the direction that
Speaker 2: I would go. So if I'm pulling up, I've talked
Speaker 2: about Zaruku is kind of an interesting one that's talked
Speaker 2: a ton about him from BC. Some of it just
Speaker 2: knows how to win and it can really rush the quarterback,
Speaker 2: You've got more, you know, Shamar Stewart gives you more
Speaker 2: of that upside, a little bit raw, but just big time,
Speaker 2: big time explosiveness. You've you've got the options to trade
Speaker 2: back a little bit if you want. And now you
Speaker 2: kind of get into like the Land and Jackson area
Speaker 2: out of Arkansas. So those are you know, some of
Speaker 2: those edge rushers the DT's. I love Derek Harmon from
Speaker 2: Oregon as a fit there, someone who can who can disrupt,
Speaker 2: run and pass play on the other side of the
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage. I think I think there's a chance
Speaker 2: he's there. That would be, uh, that would be a
Speaker 2: fun way to add to their mix.
Speaker 71: Absolutely, And on the flip side of Bill's don't really
Speaker 71: need too much on the offensive side, but that I
Speaker 71: think they do need a playmaker. But my guy Authentic
Speaker 71: mentioned it first. How would a guy such as a
Speaker 71: Savedan Wims fit in this Bill's offense?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think you're looking at like, you know,
Speaker 2: Debo's a little bit of the of the uh, you know,
Speaker 2: path that you would try and follow there. He's not
Speaker 2: refined like you're gonna have to be patient, like you're
Speaker 2: gonna just try and find ways to get on the ball.
Speaker 2: Right now, we're gonna give him a reverse. We're gonna
Speaker 2: get him a bubble. You know, We're gonna let him
Speaker 2: do some you know, if you want to take a
Speaker 2: little off Josh. I'm sure Josh probably end up getting
Speaker 2: a new contract here before too long. You want to
Speaker 2: take a little bit of that off him, you can
Speaker 2: give him some reps back there down the goal line.
Speaker 2: Let him take that abuse as a runner. But in
Speaker 2: terms of developing him and polishing him up as a receiver,
Speaker 2: that's going to require a little bit of patience. All right,
Speaker 2: my god, I appreciate you. Save travels. Thank you.
Speaker 3: All right, we're going back to Mexico here, Oscar Cleariga.
Speaker 72: Hello, thank you very much. Hell up from Mexico, Daniel,
Speaker 72: nice to see you again. You see topic you talked
Speaker 72: early in This is Soon Cold about the connection between
Speaker 72: Chip Kelly and Dylan Gabriel. If I don't remember wrong,
Speaker 72: wasn't Jucla.
Speaker 2: That's where that's right. He went there and then was
Speaker 2: only there for a couple of weeks. Chip left and
Speaker 2: then Dylan Gabriel ended up transferring to Oregon. So I knew,
Speaker 2: I knew it was deep in the recesses of my mind,
Speaker 2: I knew there was the connection there. Thank you for
Speaker 2: bringing that to light.
Speaker 72: Now, thanks to you, and I have a couple of questions.
Speaker 72: The first one what is your opinion about Jalen Milroe,
Speaker 72: the QB of Alabama. And the other one, you know
Speaker 72: here in Mexico we have a great fan base the
Speaker 72: Dallas Cowboys and the Pittsrooll Steelers. How looks to you
Speaker 72: the scenario for this couple of teams, the Petrol Steelers
Speaker 72: and the Dallas Cowboys. Thank you very much, have a great.
Speaker 2: Date, Thank you very much. With Milroe, again, we talked
Speaker 2: about him just a little bit earlier there. You know
Speaker 2: as a as a runner, he's the elite, elite, elite,
Speaker 2: like that's the best trait that anybody has in this
Speaker 2: quarterback class, is his ability as a runner. Just going
Speaker 2: to take some time and patience and development with him
Speaker 2: in the past game, you know, just in terms of again,
Speaker 2: a lot of it's mechanically just cleaning some of those
Speaker 2: things up, kitchen cleats in the ground, et cetera. But
Speaker 2: a lot to work with there, and it's again you're
Speaker 2: going to have to have a real plan there. I've mentioned.
Speaker 2: I think the Steelers were one of the teams you
Speaker 2: were mentioning. If the Steelers did decide to resign Justin
Speaker 2: Fields and make him their quarterback going forward, I wouldn't
Speaker 2: I wouldn't mind Mary and Milroe up with him. You know,
Speaker 2: you got him Milroe potentially in like the third round,
Speaker 2: and you want to you want to just become a physical,
Speaker 2: you know, pounded team to go out and get a
Speaker 2: dynamic runner in this draft, which you can find. I know,
Speaker 2: Naji's a free agent. I like to see him get
Speaker 2: a little more explosive in the backfield, but having having
Speaker 2: Milroe to kind of develop behind Fields would be kind
Speaker 2: of fun, just to really go all in on that approach.
Speaker 2: And then with the Cowboys, you know what they're gonna do.
Speaker 2: This is this is uh, you know more than anything
Speaker 2: else with them draft wise is one thing. But a
Speaker 2: lot of people in the league are curious about the
Speaker 2: Micah Parsons thing. You know, are they going to pay
Speaker 2: him as it's going to get done? What happens with him? Uh?
Speaker 2: That could go a long way and determining what they
Speaker 2: look like defensively, but they they were pretty god awful
Speaker 2: last year on that side. Of the ball, so you know,
Speaker 2: finding some help up front O digazuas as a free
Speaker 2: agent as well, so defensive tackle and a very rich
Speaker 2: defensive tackle draft. That was that was a direction I
Speaker 2: could see them looking.
Speaker 72: Okay, perfect, Thank you very much.
Speaker 34: Have a great day, you.
Speaker 3: Too, hey, last two questions. This man has been very patient.
Speaker 3: Zinny Abraham you're up.
Speaker 7: Hey, DJ how you doing good?
Speaker 2: Good to see you, buddy, to.
Speaker 32: See you too, man Hey. Quick update audible. As of
Speaker 32: five hours ago, BMW Sports and Sporting News reported that
Speaker 32: Dion Sanders himself said that the Titans, the Browns, and
Speaker 32: the Giants are the only ones he wants to do
Speaker 32: to talk to. Now, okay, yeah, now, three bagger question.
Speaker 32: First of all, Browns fans have been screaming, Hey, some
Speaker 32: of them they want Mailson Graham Mason Graham as the
Speaker 32: two pick because they want to pease my moles Garrett.
Speaker 32: I want your thoughts on that. And then for the
Speaker 32: I public prefer the called the Oakland Las Vegas Raiders,
Speaker 32: as you know, uh why not Ashton gentry falling to
Speaker 32: that place your thoughts. By the way, one more thing
Speaker 32: today is Woodson's birthday.
Speaker 2: Go Bears. What team is going to Oh, he can
Speaker 2: go to my team. I wish I had one. I
Speaker 2: like him. He's he's one of my guys here in
Speaker 2: this draft class. So I he'll find his way somewhere
Speaker 2: in the third round, fourth round. But he's a good
Speaker 2: player when it comes to uh genty you were saying
Speaker 2: there with the Raiders right if genty there? Yeah, the
Speaker 2: only thing I would just be is, is you know,
Speaker 2: is this team ready to uh to take off right now?
Speaker 2: Because I'm just not big on using using up what
Speaker 2: are limited carries running back has in his life span
Speaker 2: on a team that's not ready to win right now.
Speaker 2: I almost would rather kind of build up the rest
Speaker 2: of the infrastructure and then kind of drop the quarterback
Speaker 2: or to drop the electric running back in there at
Speaker 2: that point in time, so that every single one of
Speaker 2: his carries is helping us you know where we want
Speaker 2: to go?
Speaker 32: Are you saying then that Pete Carroll is not equipped
Speaker 32: to make the team ready?
Speaker 2: I think I think where their roster is presently and
Speaker 2: where there's three playoff teams inside their own division, that
Speaker 2: they are Pete Carroll. I love Pete Carroll and he's
Speaker 2: a good coach with a winning pedigree. And I'm excited
Speaker 2: to see what spy Tech does there. Who's is a
Speaker 2: good personnel guy. I do not think they are one
Speaker 2: off season away from climbing the mountain inside their division.
Speaker 4: So I have them go to the super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Oh the Raiders, Well there you go from your lips
Speaker 2: to God's ears. My brother in law is a Raiders fan,
Speaker 2: and he'll be very excited to hear that. Thank you.
Speaker 2: But and then with with Mason Graham, you know, to
Speaker 2: me with Cleveland at two, you know, the quarterback thing
Speaker 2: is just I flirted with the idea of giving them
Speaker 2: somebody other than a quarterback, and I did it in
Speaker 2: the first mock draft, and i'd heard, you know, consideration
Speaker 2: with you know, with Cousins is a is a possibility
Speaker 2: there because the familiarity with him, as well as the
Speaker 2: price tag, which would be next to nothing, similar to
Speaker 2: what we had last year in Pittsburgh with Russell Wilson
Speaker 2: with another team you know, paying the bill. But gosh,
Speaker 2: I mean, they've they're one of there. They're one of
Speaker 2: those teams that I just think that if cam Ward
Speaker 2: was there, I just have I would have a time
Speaker 2: thinking Cleveland would pass on him.
Speaker 32: I'm going a sure take on this. I'd ask you
Speaker 32: why is Jamis Winston not better than Kirk Cousins given
Speaker 32: the season Cousins down here had down here in Atlanta
Speaker 32: and the fact that, hey, look, offensive coordinator Ken Dorsey
Speaker 32: got fired and he messed up his footwork all with
Speaker 32: season long. It was just awesome, awful what he did
Speaker 32: with Winston and Watson and the other quarterbacks. And he
Speaker 32: should have got fired. So I mean, how can you
Speaker 32: justify bereing Cousins, you know, to the Browns.
Speaker 2: I'm just curious, YEP. I would say because Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 2: I would say Jamis Winston's best season was probably would
Speaker 2: you know, Kirk Cousins has probably had seven seasons better
Speaker 2: than his best season. And I would say last year,
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins was not coming off of a healthy year.
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins couldn't move at all. They did. It was
Speaker 2: a terrible fit. It was a terrible match. It didn't
Speaker 2: work out.
Speaker 32: James was The best year was twenty twenty one under
Speaker 32: Sean Payton. Fourteen touchdowns, three interceptions. That was better than
Speaker 32: anything Kirk Cousins ever posted.
Speaker 2: Gotcha, I'll pull up Kirk Ki. I want to do
Speaker 2: right now. But I can promise you Kirk Cousins has
Speaker 2: had has had much better seasons than fourteen touchdowns.
Speaker 26: Drink?
Speaker 2: How's that? What's up? Okay, we're going to get to.
Speaker 3: The last question here, but I appreciate that, Zenny. Last
Speaker 3: question Darnell's Salins from Playmaker's Blog.
Speaker 9: Hello, Dan, thank you for doing this. My question is
Speaker 9: about the Rams. I see in your latest March Drugs
Speaker 9: you had Darius Alexander from Toledo at the twenty six spot.
Speaker 9: Do you see him as a as a fit for
Speaker 9: the Rams or do you see the Rams can possibly
Speaker 9: go offense with that pick?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Darius Alexander. You know, he is a little bit older,
Speaker 2: which we'll see some teams care about that more than others.
Speaker 2: But just in terms of body type, like range, explosive,
Speaker 2: that's kind of what the The Rams have got a
Speaker 2: bunch of explosive defenders, and they've they've added to that bunch.
Speaker 2: It's I think it's the best young defensive line in
Speaker 2: the NFL. And I you know, I was kind of
Speaker 2: just and maybe some of it's the newness of watching
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl and just seeing the waves of guys
Speaker 2: that Philly had, But you know, man, you just go
Speaker 2: get another twitchy, explosive, dynamic guy. I've kind of wrote
Speaker 2: down on my paper when I was watching defensive linemen
Speaker 2: this year, the ones I circled back on after the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl was over, and I just wrote the word
Speaker 2: like I just wrote vet vet on my sheet, and
Speaker 2: I just said, you know, look at your notes on
Speaker 2: a player and if you see the words, you know, violent, explosive, twitchy,
Speaker 2: over and over and over again, like looking for vets,
Speaker 2: like those are the guys that I think you want,
Speaker 2: because that's what we just saw win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: So that's why that's why I had that fit there.
Speaker 2: And if they were going to go in another direction,
Speaker 2: you know, there could be a little bit of a
Speaker 2: makeover there in their receiver room, so you know, a
Speaker 2: Mecca Buca if he were to get there, I think
Speaker 2: that one makes a lot of sense for him. He'd
Speaker 2: be a great fit and someone who would just be
Speaker 2: plug and play for a team that's ready to win
Speaker 2: right now. And I would say the same thing for
Speaker 2: Matthew Golden. So those would be guys I would love
Speaker 2: for the Rams. Thank you, DG.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Two hours and forty five minutes. You
Speaker 3: have certainly done your communications duty for today, so thank
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Speaker 3: DJ really appreciate it.
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