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Speaker 1: The Season with Peter Schreeger as a production of the

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Speaker 1: NFL in partnership with iHeartRadio. What's Up, Everybody, Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to the season with Peter Schreger. The last time we

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Speaker 1: did this podcast was at the Super Bowl in Arizona,

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Speaker 1: and it has been multiple months and multiple things have happened,

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Speaker 1: obviously in the football world, but also on a personal note,

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Speaker 1: I am a father of a new baby girl. This

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Speaker 1: was the big reason why I have not been on

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Speaker 1: the podcast the last few weeks, and I was on

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Speaker 1: paternity leave and not on Good Morning Football. In the

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Speaker 1: story is of course intertwined with the football and draft

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Speaker 1: and everything. So I'm at the Combine and it is

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Speaker 1: the Friday night of the Combine and the we're previewing

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Speaker 1: the next day. All right, We're previewing the next day,

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Speaker 1: and it comes to me and I'm talking about Will Levis,

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Speaker 1: the Kentucky quarterback. And I'm going into a real deep

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Speaker 1: dive on Will Levis about how in twenty twenty one

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Speaker 1: he had an offensive coordinator at Kentucky named Liam Cohen,

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Speaker 1: and Liam Cohen was then poached by the Los Angeles

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Speaker 1: based on the job he did at Kentucky in his

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Speaker 1: familiarity with McVeagh from a previous part of his career.

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Speaker 1: With the Rams going deep on Liam Cohen talk about

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Speaker 1: Will live at Levis and my wife, who knows I'm

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Speaker 1: hard enough to spit out stats and knowledge on Will

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Speaker 1: Levis on a Friday night in February is texting me

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Speaker 1: call me back a sap. Call me back, a sap,

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Speaker 1: Call me back a sap. All right, I'm about to

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Speaker 1: as were as I'm about to get to my phone,

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah starts listing off teams that might make sense

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Speaker 1: for a quarterback to be elected, and in my ear

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Speaker 1: Mark Teitelman, who's the producer of the combine, says, shregs,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna come to you. Just give us another team.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like frozen, paralyzed. I don't know what my

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Speaker 1: wife is calling about. I have no idea. Obviously, I

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Speaker 1: this is not when we were expecting it. It's early,

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Speaker 1: and I just get on camera and I just say, yeah, look,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the deal is with Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 1: I would think that the Ravens are going to do

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Speaker 1: all their due diligence on quarterbacks. Okay, go to commercial.

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Speaker 1: Call my wife. She's like, you gotta get home. This

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Speaker 1: thing is happening. All right, we're a couple weeks before

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Speaker 1: we thought we would be. I'm all and I'm looking

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Speaker 1: saying that the Ravens are going to be looking at

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks or should be looking at quarterbacks, and that went

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Speaker 1: But it went like wildfire on Twitter, and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: was a false alarm in that moment, but three days later,

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Speaker 1: our daughter was born. Her name is Betty Hazel. She

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Speaker 1: was born on March ninth, twenty twenty three. We are

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Speaker 1: so happy my son, Mel and Betty are all good.

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Speaker 1: The NFL network was cool enough to give me a

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Speaker 1: few weeks of paternity leave, which was important because my

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Speaker 1: But I am back on air on Good Morning Football,

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Speaker 1: and I'm happy to announce we are bringing back this

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Speaker 1: season with Peter Schrager. It did not die at the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl is going to be alive and we're going

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Speaker 1: to start going into high gear. I missed the entire

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Speaker 1: free agency window, and I apologize to the listeners for that.

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Speaker 1: Obviously I had other things going on. But we are

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Speaker 1: I'll have more information than most I will share it

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Speaker 1: the guys here in the room. We've got Aaron wang Kaufman,

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Speaker 1: Did you miss me? And what did I miss? Oh?

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Speaker 1: I'm great, of course I missed you. Yeah, And I

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Speaker 1: because you know, day before I left tested positive for COVID,

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Speaker 1: haven't seen you in even longer than that. I know,

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Speaker 1: finning that It's just we're gonna have this great way

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Speaker 1: always does. Um and you were not there, but Jason was.

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Speaker 1: We had a great two podcasts there, but the NFL

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Speaker 1: world keeps on spinning. Um, let's do what we do.

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Speaker 1: Let's go through five topics. You serve me up. You

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Speaker 1: And guys, if you're listening, it's good to be back

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Speaker 1: on the mics. I'm excited about this. Aaron. Let's go

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Speaker 1: all right. Well, first up, I mean, I know you

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Speaker 1: some big things happening, namely Aaron Rodgers the Jets. What's happening?

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Speaker 1: Where do we stand with this? Where do we start? Okay,

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Speaker 1: so it's April eleventh as we record this, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: go all the way back to that week of March sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth,

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Speaker 1: This hasn't been detailed as as much in depth as

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Speaker 1: want it is what it is. That's what he did.

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Speaker 1: He says he wants to meet with the Jets. The

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Speaker 1: days later and he's still not a Jet, so none

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Speaker 1: of that matters. But yes, paparazzi picked up photos of

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Speaker 1: most of them where Rogers hosted them. They all talked,

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Speaker 1: Rogers demand they picked players, No, but they were asking

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Speaker 1: Bob was a great guy. And this and that Mark Murphy,

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Speaker 1: Joe Douglass was on a local thing with Boomer and

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Speaker 1: like he'll be here, like Rodgers will be here. I

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Speaker 1: Rodgers will not be a Packer and Aaron Rodgers will

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Speaker 1: be a New York Jets quarterback. But at some point

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Speaker 1: that trade needs to be executed, and then there's different

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Speaker 1: contract things that trigger. As we sit here on April eleventh,

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Speaker 1: in that build to have great success in this league.

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00:21:55,186 --> 00:21:58,226
Speaker 1: Drew Brees. It was shorter, but Drew Brees was big.

425
00:21:58,266 --> 00:22:01,186
Speaker 1: He was like a stocky guy. Kyler Murray, whether you

426
00:22:01,186 --> 00:22:03,706
Speaker 1: think he's a success or not. Kyler Murray was under

427
00:22:03,746 --> 00:22:06,666
Speaker 1: six feet, but Kyler Murray is built like, you know,

428
00:22:06,706 --> 00:22:10,866
Speaker 1: a pretty big. This dude is slight. And the comparison

429
00:22:10,906 --> 00:22:15,826
Speaker 1: that everyone makes, everyone makes to Bryce Young is Steph Curry,

430
00:22:16,266 --> 00:22:20,906
Speaker 1: not not Hey, but Colt McCoy was this size or

431
00:22:21,626 --> 00:22:24,866
Speaker 1: Chase Daniel was this size. No, they go NBA Steph

432
00:22:24,986 --> 00:22:30,426
Speaker 1: Curry because of his point guard qualities at quarterback. Word

433
00:22:30,546 --> 00:22:32,826
Speaker 1: is that Nick Saban has been singing about this guy.

434
00:22:32,866 --> 00:22:34,466
Speaker 1: And you can say, well, Nick Saban sings about all

435
00:22:34,466 --> 00:22:37,506
Speaker 1: these guys. He does, he does, but I don't think

436
00:22:37,506 --> 00:22:41,506
Speaker 1: he's been singing about Jalen Hurts to or Back Jones

437
00:22:41,666 --> 00:22:46,146
Speaker 1: like he sings about this guy. Bryce Young, first Alabama

438
00:22:46,346 --> 00:22:50,226
Speaker 1: quarterback to win the Heisman obviously has had a ton

439
00:22:50,266 --> 00:22:53,866
Speaker 1: of success under Nick Saban in that offense. But he

440
00:22:53,946 --> 00:22:57,266
Speaker 1: has been that dude since he was a high school

441
00:22:57,266 --> 00:23:01,626
Speaker 1: player in Pasadena, California and came out here. He is

442
00:23:01,786 --> 00:23:05,706
Speaker 1: incredible in meetings. His voice is a little softer than

443
00:23:05,706 --> 00:23:08,106
Speaker 1: you might imagine, like this, like the Will Levis type

444
00:23:08,146 --> 00:23:11,026
Speaker 1: or one of these guys. He's a soft spoken young man,

445
00:23:11,106 --> 00:23:13,146
Speaker 1: but has like the leadership of a general. It's what

446
00:23:13,146 --> 00:23:17,106
Speaker 1: everyone says. He can lead the room. He's a savant

447
00:23:17,106 --> 00:23:20,946
Speaker 1: of the game and in the pocket he is so elusive.

448
00:23:21,066 --> 00:23:23,306
Speaker 1: If you watch some of these clips, he can move

449
00:23:23,426 --> 00:23:25,826
Speaker 1: like no one else can right now in the NFL.

450
00:23:25,946 --> 00:23:30,306
Speaker 1: In the pocket, he's got crazy footwork. The con of course,

451
00:23:30,426 --> 00:23:33,386
Speaker 1: is that that was against the SEC defenders. That's great,

452
00:23:33,426 --> 00:23:37,226
Speaker 1: that's fine. The NFL has guys who are six foot

453
00:23:37,266 --> 00:23:41,226
Speaker 1: seven six ft. The Atlanta Falcons have Calais Campbell, who's

454
00:23:41,226 --> 00:23:43,666
Speaker 1: gonna be breathing down his neck. The Atlanta Falcons have

455
00:23:44,066 --> 00:23:45,786
Speaker 1: a ton of other players that are gonna be coming

456
00:23:45,826 --> 00:23:48,506
Speaker 1: for him. David an Yumada is a huge guy. You

457
00:23:48,586 --> 00:23:50,866
Speaker 1: go to the Saints, Cam Jordan's a different type of

458
00:23:50,866 --> 00:23:53,266
Speaker 1: beast than what he saw in the SEC the past

459
00:23:53,306 --> 00:23:56,626
Speaker 1: few years. I think the number one pick is going

460
00:23:56,666 --> 00:23:58,826
Speaker 1: to be Bryce Young. I say that on April eleventh,

461
00:23:58,826 --> 00:24:02,346
Speaker 1: and I think that's the right pick if Carolina is

462
00:24:02,386 --> 00:24:05,586
Speaker 1: comfortable with his size everything else. Nothing against c J. Stroud,

463
00:24:05,666 --> 00:24:08,706
Speaker 1: Levis or Richardson. I just believe that Bryce Young has

464
00:24:08,746 --> 00:24:11,066
Speaker 1: all those qualities to be a face of the franchise

465
00:24:11,106 --> 00:24:13,586
Speaker 1: and be the quarterback for the Carolina Panthers in the future.

466
00:24:14,666 --> 00:24:20,586
Speaker 1: Number four, what's up with Cliff Yeah Kingsbury news late

467
00:24:20,666 --> 00:24:23,426
Speaker 1: last night is that he's going to be working with

468
00:24:23,466 --> 00:24:28,146
Speaker 1: the USC Trojans Now. The last time we spoke, As

469
00:24:28,186 --> 00:24:30,546
Speaker 1: you guys know, I'm very close with Cliff Kingsbury. He

470
00:24:31,586 --> 00:24:33,426
Speaker 1: it was in Thailand the last time we did this,

471
00:24:33,466 --> 00:24:35,906
Speaker 1: and that was around Super Bowl and he left. I

472
00:24:35,906 --> 00:24:38,546
Speaker 1: actually hung out with him the Friday of Super Bowl

473
00:24:38,546 --> 00:24:41,186
Speaker 1: at his place in Arizona, so he was back. We

474
00:24:41,266 --> 00:24:43,266
Speaker 1: had a long talk and the debate was do I

475
00:24:43,306 --> 00:24:45,426
Speaker 1: want to come back to football take a year off,

476
00:24:45,626 --> 00:24:47,346
Speaker 1: or do I want to do TV? Do I knew

477
00:24:47,346 --> 00:24:49,626
Speaker 1: anything like that? Cliff really never was considering the TV stuff.

478
00:24:49,626 --> 00:24:53,506
Speaker 1: He wanted to lay low. However, multiple teams expressed interest

479
00:24:53,546 --> 00:24:55,586
Speaker 1: and bringing him in either for an interview or just

480
00:24:55,586 --> 00:24:57,826
Speaker 1: giving him the job straight up. In the NFL, as

481
00:24:57,826 --> 00:25:00,346
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator. He did go and meet with the

482
00:25:00,386 --> 00:25:03,226
Speaker 1: Houston Texans. He did have a really good interaction with

483
00:25:03,306 --> 00:25:05,026
Speaker 1: to Miko Ryan's but it wasn't the right fit. He

484
00:25:05,066 --> 00:25:07,146
Speaker 1: wasn't ready to take that job and take on the

485
00:25:07,186 --> 00:25:10,746
Speaker 1: responsibility of being an offensive coardiner in the NFL in

486
00:25:10,826 --> 00:25:13,666
Speaker 1: Houston at this time because I need a little breath,

487
00:25:13,666 --> 00:25:15,306
Speaker 1: and if they can't give me a couple, you know,

488
00:25:15,466 --> 00:25:17,786
Speaker 1: weeks whatever, as I consider and think this out, then

489
00:25:17,786 --> 00:25:19,786
Speaker 1: it's probably not best for us. So Houston moves on.

490
00:25:19,826 --> 00:25:23,026
Speaker 1: They hire Bobby Slowik, who was with Demiko and San Francisco.

491
00:25:23,026 --> 00:25:25,666
Speaker 1: Everyone's happy. They'll have a quarterback at number two and

492
00:25:25,746 --> 00:25:30,106
Speaker 1: they'll be fine. In the last couple of weeks, Cliff

493
00:25:30,226 --> 00:25:32,226
Speaker 1: was thinking about things. He has been traveling a lot.

494
00:25:32,266 --> 00:25:34,186
Speaker 1: He's been all over different countries. He's been all over

495
00:25:34,226 --> 00:25:37,826
Speaker 1: the America. He was in Miami for a bit. I

496
00:25:37,906 --> 00:25:39,586
Speaker 1: know that I had a friend who was like, I

497
00:25:39,586 --> 00:25:43,146
Speaker 1: think I saw Cliff Kingsbury at the Ultra Festival in

498
00:25:43,226 --> 00:25:46,186
Speaker 1: Miami at a rave. I'm like, it's possible. Sure enough,

499
00:25:46,786 --> 00:25:49,426
Speaker 1: Cliff was in Miami that weekend. Yes, he was. Cliff

500
00:25:49,506 --> 00:25:52,226
Speaker 1: Kingsbury and Lincoln Riley go back a long way. Of course,

501
00:25:52,266 --> 00:25:55,266
Speaker 1: they have history together and they've had several quarterbacks that

502
00:25:55,266 --> 00:25:59,626
Speaker 1: have overlapped over the years. And position was presented where

503
00:25:59,706 --> 00:26:01,586
Speaker 1: you could live in Los Angeles. You're not going to

504
00:26:01,666 --> 00:26:06,066
Speaker 1: be a title of coordinator. You're not gonna have to

505
00:26:06,466 --> 00:26:08,346
Speaker 1: route as much as if you were the head coach

506
00:26:08,386 --> 00:26:10,106
Speaker 1: of a college program. I don't even know how much

507
00:26:10,106 --> 00:26:13,266
Speaker 1: recruiting Cliffs is gonna do. I remember when he was

508
00:26:13,626 --> 00:26:15,586
Speaker 1: last year and I were talking. We were talking about

509
00:26:15,626 --> 00:26:16,946
Speaker 1: Texas Tech and all the stuff, and He's like, I

510
00:26:16,986 --> 00:26:19,786
Speaker 1: just can't imagine doing the recruiting stuff again, especially now

511
00:26:19,866 --> 00:26:21,506
Speaker 1: with Nil and all that. Stuff like that did not

512
00:26:21,546 --> 00:26:24,586
Speaker 1: appeal to him. Cliff Kingsbury, he's a coach. That's what

513
00:26:24,666 --> 00:26:26,146
Speaker 1: he wants to He wanst a coach. And so when

514
00:26:26,186 --> 00:26:29,786
Speaker 1: you give him this Caleb Wilson, who is the Heisman

515
00:26:29,826 --> 00:26:31,426
Speaker 1: Trophy winner and it is going to be the first

516
00:26:31,506 --> 00:26:33,946
Speaker 1: or second overall pick next year, you give him Lincoln Riley,

517
00:26:33,986 --> 00:26:37,106
Speaker 1: who's a dear friend. You give him Los Angeles, which

518
00:26:37,186 --> 00:26:39,426
Speaker 1: is a place where he was already heart. His heart

519
00:26:39,426 --> 00:26:41,546
Speaker 1: was already set on living when he accepted the USC

520
00:26:41,626 --> 00:26:43,906
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator job a few years ago before bolting for

521
00:26:43,946 --> 00:26:46,146
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, and then you say, Okay, you could still

522
00:26:46,186 --> 00:26:48,626
Speaker 1: keep your place in Arizona. You could keep you could

523
00:26:48,666 --> 00:26:50,986
Speaker 1: have a new place in usc you could live in

524
00:26:51,026 --> 00:26:53,386
Speaker 1: both places. You can you know, be part of this

525
00:26:53,466 --> 00:26:55,346
Speaker 1: great run we're doing, but we're not going to commit

526
00:26:55,386 --> 00:26:59,346
Speaker 1: you to this all in head coach recruiting type deal.

527
00:26:59,626 --> 00:27:03,306
Speaker 1: I think it's the perfect situation. Look, there's a lot

528
00:27:03,306 --> 00:27:04,866
Speaker 1: of people who are so critical a Cliff. I don't

529
00:27:04,906 --> 00:27:06,866
Speaker 1: understand that. Everyone's you know, I was on a text

530
00:27:06,906 --> 00:27:09,266
Speaker 1: chain and an agent was texting me and he was like,

531
00:27:09,746 --> 00:27:13,506
Speaker 1: all this guy does is fail upwards. I'm like, he's

532
00:27:13,506 --> 00:27:16,386
Speaker 1: taking a consultant role on a college football team, Like

533
00:27:16,906 --> 00:27:18,466
Speaker 1: why is that? It's not like he was just given

534
00:27:18,506 --> 00:27:21,106
Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars to go coach the Patriot's like

535
00:27:21,146 --> 00:27:23,506
Speaker 1: he was, He's going. He likes coaching, he wants to

536
00:27:23,506 --> 00:27:25,946
Speaker 1: coach this kid. He wants to have some sort of

537
00:27:26,066 --> 00:27:27,826
Speaker 1: work life balance, and I think he's gonna get it.

538
00:27:27,866 --> 00:27:31,426
Speaker 1: So I'm happy for Cliff. We'll see if he if

539
00:27:31,466 --> 00:27:33,186
Speaker 1: he if he hits the ground running and he's all

540
00:27:33,226 --> 00:27:34,586
Speaker 1: in on this thing, or if it's one of those

541
00:27:34,586 --> 00:27:37,146
Speaker 1: deals where he's coaching but he's also keeping his eye

542
00:27:37,186 --> 00:27:38,906
Speaker 1: in the NFL and we'll see what happens after that.

543
00:27:39,306 --> 00:27:41,586
Speaker 1: All right, we're leading up to the draft. We just

544
00:27:41,626 --> 00:27:43,826
Speaker 1: got a couple of weeks. Do you have a favorite

545
00:27:43,906 --> 00:27:46,626
Speaker 1: draft prospect that you've been watching or that you're excited

546
00:27:46,626 --> 00:27:48,546
Speaker 1: to see where they go, you know at the end

547
00:27:48,586 --> 00:27:52,266
Speaker 1: of the month. But we just did a four hour

548
00:27:52,386 --> 00:27:54,706
Speaker 1: tongue wagging session on Bryce Young. I think he could

549
00:27:54,746 --> 00:27:56,466
Speaker 1: do is as commercial. I don't know who Bryce Young's

550
00:27:56,506 --> 00:27:58,826
Speaker 1: agent is, and I will say this, this is gonna

551
00:27:58,826 --> 00:28:00,386
Speaker 1: be a different I don't know who any of these

552
00:28:00,386 --> 00:28:02,586
Speaker 1: guys agents are. I take pride in that I don't.

553
00:28:02,786 --> 00:28:04,306
Speaker 1: I get this all the time when I'm like talking

554
00:28:04,306 --> 00:28:08,226
Speaker 1: about prospects and then they'll say, like, it's because he's

555
00:28:08,226 --> 00:28:10,706
Speaker 1: friends with the agent. I'm like, most most of these

556
00:28:10,706 --> 00:28:13,426
Speaker 1: guys agents, I don't even know who they are. And

557
00:28:13,466 --> 00:28:16,786
Speaker 1: they've got NFL prospects that are making one hundred million

558
00:28:16,826 --> 00:28:18,746
Speaker 1: dollars and they've got NFL players that are on their

559
00:28:18,786 --> 00:28:21,946
Speaker 1: second contracts. These agents, aren't they know that, you know,

560
00:28:22,026 --> 00:28:23,786
Speaker 1: they could give me a heads up on this guy

561
00:28:23,866 --> 00:28:26,306
Speaker 1: that's that's impressing team, or this guy met with this team.

562
00:28:26,306 --> 00:28:29,546
Speaker 1: But anything an agent tells me is not going to

563
00:28:29,586 --> 00:28:33,146
Speaker 1: help where this player gets drafted. Truly. Like I could

564
00:28:33,146 --> 00:28:36,626
Speaker 1: talk about Bryce Young all day long. If if the

565
00:28:36,666 --> 00:28:39,026
Speaker 1: Panthers want to take CJ. Stroud, because Peter Schreker was

566
00:28:39,066 --> 00:28:41,266
Speaker 1: talking about Bryce Young on Good Morning Football, it's not

567
00:28:41,346 --> 00:28:45,106
Speaker 1: going to get him drafted before CJ. Stroud. That said,

568
00:28:45,426 --> 00:28:47,746
Speaker 1: I've got a guy I like. He's a wide receiver

569
00:28:47,826 --> 00:28:49,946
Speaker 1: at a All Miss, and I'm surprised he's not getting

570
00:28:49,946 --> 00:28:51,586
Speaker 1: all the love that everyone else got. He was at

571
00:28:51,586 --> 00:28:53,946
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, he was at the Combine, and he's

572
00:28:53,986 --> 00:28:57,146
Speaker 1: built like all these old Miss guys. And he's six

573
00:28:57,186 --> 00:28:59,826
Speaker 1: foot two, he's two hundred and twenty pounds, he runs

574
00:28:59,826 --> 00:29:01,466
Speaker 1: a four or four or forty. I'm talking about my guy,

575
00:29:01,546 --> 00:29:05,706
Speaker 1: Jonathan Mingo. Remember that name, Jonathan Mingo. He might go

576
00:29:05,786 --> 00:29:08,066
Speaker 1: second or third round. I don't know, but I could

577
00:29:08,106 --> 00:29:10,906
Speaker 1: see Jonathan Mingo being that dude who we're at the

578
00:29:11,066 --> 00:29:13,386
Speaker 1: twenty eight twenty nine thirty part of the draft and

579
00:29:13,386 --> 00:29:15,666
Speaker 1: a team's like, you know what, We're taking Jonathan Mingo?

580
00:29:16,426 --> 00:29:18,626
Speaker 1: All right? So Mingo did not have huge numbers. He

581
00:29:18,706 --> 00:29:21,026
Speaker 1: had a foot injury a couple of years ago, but

582
00:29:21,106 --> 00:29:23,466
Speaker 1: he is six to two twenty and comes from the

583
00:29:23,546 --> 00:29:26,986
Speaker 1: same factory of wide receivers at AJ Brown, DK Metcalf,

584
00:29:26,986 --> 00:29:30,506
Speaker 1: Elijah Moore have all come from in recent years, and

585
00:29:30,626 --> 00:29:32,986
Speaker 1: everyone said he's an awesome interview. He runs the routes,

586
00:29:33,026 --> 00:29:35,386
Speaker 1: he's raw physically because he's such a big guy that

587
00:29:35,786 --> 00:29:37,946
Speaker 1: you know you could do anything with him. I just

588
00:29:37,986 --> 00:29:39,906
Speaker 1: saw this happen with A. J. Brown, I saw it

589
00:29:39,946 --> 00:29:41,746
Speaker 1: happen with DK Metcalf, and I saw it happen with

590
00:29:41,786 --> 00:29:44,306
Speaker 1: Elijah Moore. I don't know why everyone's against the giant

591
00:29:44,346 --> 00:29:46,906
Speaker 1: wide receiver out of all miss I am into that.

592
00:29:47,106 --> 00:29:49,626
Speaker 1: I think those guys are three for three for having

593
00:29:49,666 --> 00:29:52,346
Speaker 1: some success in the league. And if anything, I'll trust

594
00:29:52,906 --> 00:29:54,546
Speaker 1: the history from that school and a guy who I'm

595
00:29:54,586 --> 00:29:56,386
Speaker 1: told as interviewing really well and went to the Senior

596
00:29:56,426 --> 00:29:58,626
Speaker 1: Bowl and played as a you know, as a senior

597
00:29:58,666 --> 00:30:01,306
Speaker 1: at college like in the SEC. So that's my name.

598
00:30:01,346 --> 00:30:03,866
Speaker 1: Everyone's gonna give you all these different prospects, and that's great.

599
00:30:04,226 --> 00:30:06,386
Speaker 1: I usually have an eye for these things and usually

600
00:30:06,506 --> 00:30:08,826
Speaker 1: hear it from the right people. I'm gonna say, Jonathan

601
00:30:09,186 --> 00:30:16,906
Speaker 1: Mingo Aaron and I do not know who his agent is. Awesome. Well, um,

602
00:30:17,026 --> 00:30:20,266
Speaker 1: I am excited to see especially because his size profile

603
00:30:20,306 --> 00:30:22,026
Speaker 1: is so different than all these other receivers that we

604
00:30:22,066 --> 00:30:23,826
Speaker 1: have in this draft. I mean kind of like Bryce

605
00:30:23,906 --> 00:30:26,746
Speaker 1: Young on the quarterbacks. But yeah, Mingo got some some

606
00:30:26,786 --> 00:30:28,906
Speaker 1: buzz around the Senior Bowl, so we should That'll be

607
00:30:28,946 --> 00:30:31,346
Speaker 1: fun to see where he goes. Was there five points?

608
00:30:31,586 --> 00:30:34,026
Speaker 1: We go through it? Aaron's feel good to be back.

609
00:30:34,266 --> 00:30:37,146
Speaker 1: It feels great. One thing we didn't hit, and I

610
00:30:37,186 --> 00:30:39,546
Speaker 1: want to spring it on you because I assume you're

611
00:30:39,546 --> 00:30:44,866
Speaker 1: all caught up. We're Succession, Season four, episode three. Oh

612
00:30:44,906 --> 00:30:46,826
Speaker 1: my god, if you tell me you haven't watched it yet, Like,

613
00:30:46,866 --> 00:30:49,546
Speaker 1: what are we doing? As mister? Should we move to

614
00:30:49,586 --> 00:30:51,866
Speaker 1: the ad break now? I just haven't watched you haven't

615
00:30:51,866 --> 00:30:54,386
Speaker 1: watched it. Now, I haven't watched this episode. I haven't

616
00:30:54,386 --> 00:30:57,066
Speaker 1: watched any of it. I haven't watched any of success

617
00:30:57,146 --> 00:30:59,386
Speaker 1: You've never seen an episode of Succession, never seen it?

618
00:30:59,986 --> 00:31:01,346
Speaker 1: What are you doing? What do you want to know?

619
00:31:01,546 --> 00:31:06,426
Speaker 1: I know I think at this point I am chasing you. Yeah,

620
00:31:06,586 --> 00:31:09,466
Speaker 1: I think it's I'm just gonna wait till the end

621
00:31:09,546 --> 00:31:11,466
Speaker 1: and then watch all of it at once. I don't

622
00:31:11,506 --> 00:31:14,186
Speaker 1: I don't know. I know it's amazing. Everyone tells me

623
00:31:14,226 --> 00:31:18,426
Speaker 1: it's amazing. Like, I'll admit to you, I never saw

624
00:31:18,466 --> 00:31:21,986
Speaker 1: a Game of Thrones. I never saw an episode of it. Um,

625
00:31:24,786 --> 00:31:28,466
Speaker 1: I don't as a New Yorker, as someone who loves media,

626
00:31:28,546 --> 00:31:31,946
Speaker 1: as someone Aaron, this is a I'm gonna say this,

627
00:31:31,946 --> 00:31:36,506
Speaker 1: This is an atrocity. Yeah, I know, I was. I

628
00:31:36,546 --> 00:31:38,946
Speaker 1: was hoping you We're gonna bring it up. We are,

629
00:31:39,706 --> 00:31:41,626
Speaker 1: We're gonna go We're gonna go to a commercial break.

630
00:31:41,666 --> 00:31:43,146
Speaker 1: I don't even know if we have commercials. We're gonna

631
00:31:43,146 --> 00:31:44,626
Speaker 1: go to a commercial break right now. We're gonna hash

632
00:31:44,626 --> 00:31:53,546
Speaker 1: this out. We'll be back in a second. One thing

633
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Speaker 1: we pride ourselves on and this podcast is being ahead

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Speaker 1: of the curve, but also being a smart podcast. We're

635
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Speaker 1: not just gonna be throwing stuff at the wall. We

636
00:32:00,946 --> 00:32:02,866
Speaker 1: want to make you smarter when you're listening to it,

637
00:32:02,906 --> 00:32:05,066
Speaker 1: and we want to make you aware of trends that

638
00:32:05,106 --> 00:32:07,106
Speaker 1: are coming and things that are happening in the league.

639
00:32:07,106 --> 00:32:09,586
Speaker 1: And you know, I've been doing a lot of work

640
00:32:09,826 --> 00:32:13,066
Speaker 1: on the draft the last few months and obviously in

641
00:32:13,106 --> 00:32:14,946
Speaker 1: the last few weeks as I build my first mock

642
00:32:14,986 --> 00:32:16,986
Speaker 1: draft is going to come out next week. Been talking

643
00:32:17,026 --> 00:32:19,626
Speaker 1: to teams directly and when you talk to teams. They

644
00:32:19,706 --> 00:32:21,826
Speaker 1: use a lot of those terms. They use the hip swivel,

645
00:32:21,986 --> 00:32:25,226
Speaker 1: they use the catchability radius. They talk about, you know,

646
00:32:25,426 --> 00:32:28,186
Speaker 1: this guy's really good above the neck, which means he's smart.

647
00:32:28,266 --> 00:32:30,106
Speaker 1: And that's a word that you would never use in

648
00:32:30,226 --> 00:32:33,266
Speaker 1: real conversation. You would ever say the words this person's

649
00:32:33,306 --> 00:32:36,626
Speaker 1: really impressive above the neck. That's what they say in conversations.

650
00:32:36,626 --> 00:32:40,866
Speaker 1: And one thing that continues to be mentioned that I

651
00:32:40,906 --> 00:32:43,386
Speaker 1: had not heard of, and I'm almost ashamed I haven't.

652
00:32:43,586 --> 00:32:46,706
Speaker 1: It's something called the S two score. The S two score,

653
00:32:46,826 --> 00:32:49,106
Speaker 1: So okay, I'm nodding along, And a lot of these

654
00:32:49,106 --> 00:32:51,626
Speaker 1: conversations and multiple teams are mentioning the S two, the

655
00:32:51,786 --> 00:32:54,186
Speaker 1: S two. And I grew up in a wonderlick world,

656
00:32:54,306 --> 00:32:56,826
Speaker 1: so I've always known the wonderlock one to forty and

657
00:32:56,866 --> 00:33:00,066
Speaker 1: if this train starts at you know, stop, a train

658
00:33:00,146 --> 00:33:02,306
Speaker 1: b ends, it stops c and who is the fast train?

659
00:33:02,386 --> 00:33:05,146
Speaker 1: All that stuff. I grew up in a wonderlick draft world.

660
00:33:05,546 --> 00:33:08,066
Speaker 1: Sounds like there's a new show in town. It's the

661
00:33:08,266 --> 00:33:11,546
Speaker 1: S two, and it is a processing test. And to

662
00:33:11,666 --> 00:33:15,466
Speaker 1: get it explained better than me going on the company

663
00:33:15,466 --> 00:33:17,386
Speaker 1: website and trying to read I thought I would bring

664
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Speaker 1: someone from the company itself. This is our guest today.

665
00:33:20,826 --> 00:33:25,186
Speaker 1: This is Brandon Ally, and Brandon Ally is from the

666
00:33:25,546 --> 00:33:27,066
Speaker 1: S two test. I don't know what are you coming

667
00:33:27,106 --> 00:33:28,826
Speaker 1: with the companies called or whatever it's but Brandon, when

668
00:33:28,866 --> 00:33:31,586
Speaker 1: I reached out on the company website and said contact us,

669
00:33:32,146 --> 00:33:34,146
Speaker 1: your email came up, we interacted, you showed you sent

670
00:33:34,226 --> 00:33:38,066
Speaker 1: me white papers, and I am fascinated by any new

671
00:33:38,186 --> 00:33:42,026
Speaker 1: measure of intelligence and processing that this league is using.

672
00:33:42,266 --> 00:33:44,226
Speaker 1: And I know the NFL network and ESPN are not

673
00:33:44,346 --> 00:33:46,266
Speaker 1: talking about the S two scores yet, but they might

674
00:33:46,306 --> 00:33:50,586
Speaker 1: be soon. Brandon Ally, Welcome to the season with Peter Schreeker.

675
00:33:51,146 --> 00:33:54,306
Speaker 1: Thank you, appreciate it. Glad to be here. Brandon explained,

676
00:33:55,906 --> 00:33:59,186
Speaker 1: what is the S two test, dude, And start off

677
00:33:59,186 --> 00:34:01,066
Speaker 1: with what the test is, and then I'll pepper you

678
00:34:01,146 --> 00:34:04,226
Speaker 1: with questions because I love the stuff. Yeah. Man, so

679
00:34:04,506 --> 00:34:07,386
Speaker 1: I think it's really clear because you you illustrated a

680
00:34:07,426 --> 00:34:11,266
Speaker 1: great a great point with the wonderlick. Right, These IQ tests,

681
00:34:11,306 --> 00:34:15,146
Speaker 1: these intelligence tests, Uh, you know, there's there's no football

682
00:34:15,186 --> 00:34:17,506
Speaker 1: player on the planet that is when the ball is

683
00:34:17,546 --> 00:34:21,426
Speaker 1: snapped going to have to decide how fast trains are moving. Um,

684
00:34:21,546 --> 00:34:23,826
Speaker 1: and so we actually we stay away from the whole

685
00:34:23,826 --> 00:34:27,466
Speaker 1: IQ piece, the whole intelligence, the whole book smarts things

686
00:34:27,586 --> 00:34:30,066
Speaker 1: that is absolutely not what we measure. When we're gonna

687
00:34:30,066 --> 00:34:32,226
Speaker 1: go ahead and assume that these scouts in front offices

688
00:34:32,266 --> 00:34:34,546
Speaker 1: have done their homework on how well a guy is

689
00:34:34,586 --> 00:34:37,146
Speaker 1: going to learn their playbook, how well they can understand

690
00:34:37,186 --> 00:34:41,026
Speaker 1: complexity and things like that, what we measure are those speeded,

691
00:34:41,106 --> 00:34:44,706
Speaker 1: rapid cognitive processing that occurs once the ball is snapped.

692
00:34:45,146 --> 00:34:48,226
Speaker 1: So as an example, uh, you know you can you

693
00:34:48,266 --> 00:34:50,826
Speaker 1: can hear all of the arm armchair quarterbacks in the

694
00:34:50,866 --> 00:34:53,946
Speaker 1: world tell you, well, if the dB covers the curl,

695
00:34:53,986 --> 00:34:55,706
Speaker 1: you throw to the flat. If he covers the flat,

696
00:34:55,746 --> 00:34:57,786
Speaker 1: you throw it to the curl. It's way more complex

697
00:34:57,826 --> 00:35:00,066
Speaker 1: than that. And they can tell you the rules. There's

698
00:35:00,066 --> 00:35:02,586
Speaker 1: a host of quarterbacks that can tell you the rules.

699
00:35:02,786 --> 00:35:04,746
Speaker 1: But when the ball is snapped and they have to

700
00:35:04,826 --> 00:35:08,866
Speaker 1: filter through all of those rules, they become slow, they hesitate,

701
00:35:09,026 --> 00:35:11,986
Speaker 1: they may throw to the wrong route. So we're interested

702
00:35:12,106 --> 00:35:16,506
Speaker 1: in those cognitive processes. Is very rapid processing of visual information,

703
00:35:16,986 --> 00:35:22,746
Speaker 1: speeded decision making and execution of athletes when they're in

704
00:35:22,786 --> 00:35:25,706
Speaker 1: the game. So that's a big differentiator from previous things

705
00:35:25,786 --> 00:35:28,946
Speaker 1: or what's out there currently, whether they're really just tapping

706
00:35:29,066 --> 00:35:33,306
Speaker 1: into a player's IQ or their book smarts or their

707
00:35:33,306 --> 00:35:37,386
Speaker 1: ability to understand concepts within football. All right, so you

708
00:35:37,426 --> 00:35:39,546
Speaker 1: see with the wonderlock, and I hate to keep mentioning

709
00:35:39,546 --> 00:35:41,626
Speaker 1: a competitor, and you're probably like, ah, we don't really

710
00:35:41,626 --> 00:35:44,026
Speaker 1: acknowledge it. We just call it IQ test. Fine, IQ test.

711
00:35:44,586 --> 00:35:47,746
Speaker 1: Here are twelve questions in four minutes. Can you finish it?

712
00:35:47,746 --> 00:35:49,626
Speaker 1: And can you get them as many right as possible?

713
00:35:49,946 --> 00:35:53,626
Speaker 1: What is the S two tests? How do you measure

714
00:35:53,986 --> 00:35:57,506
Speaker 1: processing in a test like form? So it's important to

715
00:35:57,506 --> 00:35:59,906
Speaker 1: note that you know, Scott and I my co founder,

716
00:35:59,946 --> 00:36:03,466
Speaker 1: Scott Wiley, we didn't invent these tasks. These tasks have

717
00:36:03,546 --> 00:36:07,106
Speaker 1: been in laboratories around the world for decades to understand

718
00:36:07,106 --> 00:36:12,306
Speaker 1: how the brain works in speeded environments. So every you know,

719
00:36:12,346 --> 00:36:15,226
Speaker 1: we present stimuli and you have to respond most of

720
00:36:15,266 --> 00:36:17,066
Speaker 1: the time on our test in under half of a

721
00:36:17,106 --> 00:36:21,466
Speaker 1: second or within a second. Right, And they're facing these

722
00:36:21,506 --> 00:36:24,266
Speaker 1: tasks that have been used in the laboratory for decades,

723
00:36:24,466 --> 00:36:27,306
Speaker 1: and we try to understand the system itself. So I'm

724
00:36:27,306 --> 00:36:30,226
Speaker 1: going to use an example of impulse control, right, impulse

725
00:36:30,226 --> 00:36:33,226
Speaker 1: control task for us is one of the best predictors

726
00:36:33,226 --> 00:36:36,106
Speaker 1: of chase rates in Major League Baseball. It's one of

727
00:36:36,106 --> 00:36:40,146
Speaker 1: the best predictor of interception rate for quarterback hold penalties

728
00:36:40,146 --> 00:36:43,266
Speaker 1: for offensive linemen. We test the system. So think about

729
00:36:43,266 --> 00:36:45,866
Speaker 1: when you're sitting at a red light right in the

730
00:36:45,906 --> 00:36:48,546
Speaker 1: turn lane next to you turns green, and you hit

731
00:36:48,586 --> 00:36:51,146
Speaker 1: the gas and you go and you you hit the

732
00:36:51,186 --> 00:36:54,346
Speaker 1: break right. That's your impulse control system engaging. Some of

733
00:36:54,426 --> 00:36:56,626
Speaker 1: us are quicker and don't fall prey to that kind

734
00:36:56,626 --> 00:36:58,546
Speaker 1: of stuff, and others of us, man, we're hitting it

735
00:36:58,586 --> 00:37:00,906
Speaker 1: as soon as it turns green. We can test that

736
00:37:00,986 --> 00:37:04,186
Speaker 1: overall system and then make That's where Scott and I

737
00:37:04,346 --> 00:37:07,826
Speaker 1: have sort of built the business around, is interpreting that

738
00:37:07,986 --> 00:37:11,026
Speaker 1: in how it's going to manifest on the field. So

739
00:37:11,386 --> 00:37:14,946
Speaker 1: impulse control is really important for chasing sliders out of

740
00:37:14,946 --> 00:37:18,066
Speaker 1: the zone, you've got to inhibit that, or for partial

741
00:37:18,106 --> 00:37:20,666
Speaker 1: read throwing it into traffic because it looked good right

742
00:37:20,706 --> 00:37:23,586
Speaker 1: off the snap right, you've got to inhibit those responses.

743
00:37:23,586 --> 00:37:27,906
Speaker 1: So we test that system using sort of classic laboratory tests.

744
00:37:28,626 --> 00:37:31,066
Speaker 1: Give me an example of a classic laboratory test without

745
00:37:31,106 --> 00:37:33,306
Speaker 1: having it, you know, visually in front of us right now.

746
00:37:33,346 --> 00:37:37,066
Speaker 1: But if I'm Peter Schreeger PROSPECTS seven thirty five at

747
00:37:37,066 --> 00:37:39,026
Speaker 1: the combine, I'm sitting down for an S two tests.

748
00:37:39,066 --> 00:37:41,866
Speaker 1: What is the actual test? Yep? So our test is

749
00:37:41,866 --> 00:37:44,746
Speaker 1: about forty five minutes in which you sit in front

750
00:37:44,746 --> 00:37:49,386
Speaker 1: of a specialized gaming system that was built for millisecond precision.

751
00:37:49,906 --> 00:37:51,426
Speaker 1: One of the tests that I think a lot of

752
00:37:52,146 --> 00:37:56,386
Speaker 1: companies may use is object tracking, So how many objects

753
00:37:56,506 --> 00:37:58,546
Speaker 1: You've got to broaden your attention and keep track of

754
00:37:58,586 --> 00:38:02,026
Speaker 1: many moving objects? Right? An example of a laboratory based

755
00:38:02,026 --> 00:38:04,146
Speaker 1: test is you may you may have to track three

756
00:38:04,226 --> 00:38:07,026
Speaker 1: or four objects for ten or fifteen seconds. And here's

757
00:38:07,066 --> 00:38:09,186
Speaker 1: where Scott and I got a little bit more sophisticated,

758
00:38:09,266 --> 00:38:11,666
Speaker 1: is that's not how football operates, right. You've got to

759
00:38:11,706 --> 00:38:14,386
Speaker 1: have a play is three to five seconds. And so

760
00:38:14,466 --> 00:38:17,426
Speaker 1: we duplicated with how many objects are on the screen.

761
00:38:17,546 --> 00:38:19,226
Speaker 1: Is what a quarterback or a safety is going to

762
00:38:19,306 --> 00:38:23,106
Speaker 1: have to look at. And we actually measured how quickly

763
00:38:23,226 --> 00:38:26,146
Speaker 1: dbs and receivers move across the field. And so that's

764
00:38:26,146 --> 00:38:28,666
Speaker 1: how quickly our balls move across the screen. It's only

765
00:38:28,666 --> 00:38:30,706
Speaker 1: for three or five seconds like an NFL play, So

766
00:38:30,746 --> 00:38:34,106
Speaker 1: we really tried to narrow down the laboratory tests, which

767
00:38:34,146 --> 00:38:37,346
Speaker 1: may have ten or fifteen balls moving across the screen

768
00:38:37,346 --> 00:38:39,066
Speaker 1: and you've got to keep track of three of them.

769
00:38:39,786 --> 00:38:43,506
Speaker 1: We push the limits there. We make these defensive backs

770
00:38:43,506 --> 00:38:45,986
Speaker 1: and these middle linebackers have to track nine objects, right,

771
00:38:46,026 --> 00:38:49,346
Speaker 1: because that might be their life within three seconds at

772
00:38:49,346 --> 00:38:51,946
Speaker 1: the speed in which the game moves. So it's really

773
00:38:52,026 --> 00:38:54,586
Speaker 1: it's sports specific in that respect, but it is a

774
00:38:54,626 --> 00:38:58,346
Speaker 1: classic sort of computer based laboratory test. I'm interested in

775
00:38:58,346 --> 00:39:00,626
Speaker 1: the business of this stuff too, So the Wonderlock for

776
00:39:00,706 --> 00:39:02,786
Speaker 1: years is the gold standard. You guys come up with

777
00:39:02,786 --> 00:39:05,786
Speaker 1: this idea which is using classic tests but also using

778
00:39:05,826 --> 00:39:08,586
Speaker 1: modern technology. How do you get teams to buy in

779
00:39:08,626 --> 00:39:10,586
Speaker 1: to use it, how do you get prospects to agree

780
00:39:10,586 --> 00:39:12,626
Speaker 1: to do it? How do you get that story? What's

781
00:39:12,626 --> 00:39:14,466
Speaker 1: your origin story? If I'm on Shark Tank and you're

782
00:39:14,466 --> 00:39:16,346
Speaker 1: trying to pitch it to me, what's the story behind

783
00:39:16,346 --> 00:39:18,586
Speaker 1: the story? Yeah, so I'll give you a little bit

784
00:39:18,626 --> 00:39:20,826
Speaker 1: of origin story, and then I'll give you the way

785
00:39:20,866 --> 00:39:22,546
Speaker 1: that we operate. Because I think there's a lot of

786
00:39:22,586 --> 00:39:25,226
Speaker 1: misconceptions out there about who has access to the data

787
00:39:25,226 --> 00:39:27,306
Speaker 1: and all of those kind of things. So Scott and

788
00:39:27,346 --> 00:39:31,986
Speaker 1: I were both college athletes. I was a student athlete

789
00:39:31,986 --> 00:39:35,186
Speaker 1: at the University of Tennessee in the early nineties when

790
00:39:35,226 --> 00:39:37,626
Speaker 1: coach Tommy Moffatt was there, and he's the strength of

791
00:39:37,626 --> 00:39:39,946
Speaker 1: conditioning coach. It was just recently the strength and conditioning

792
00:39:39,946 --> 00:39:42,586
Speaker 1: coach at LSU. And I've had a twenty five year

793
00:39:42,626 --> 00:39:45,146
Speaker 1: relationship with Tommy, and so in twenty thirteen, I picked

794
00:39:45,226 --> 00:39:46,706
Speaker 1: up the phone and said, Hey, here's what Scott and

795
00:39:46,746 --> 00:39:48,306
Speaker 1: I are doing. And he was like, a guy, you

796
00:39:48,346 --> 00:39:50,146
Speaker 1: got to get down here and give this to the coaches.

797
00:39:50,506 --> 00:39:53,626
Speaker 1: So really we built the product at LSU. We bade

798
00:39:53,626 --> 00:39:56,586
Speaker 1: attested time and time again and again. Scott and I

799
00:39:57,026 --> 00:40:00,026
Speaker 1: we weren't like, hey, we know football. You know, Scott

800
00:40:00,066 --> 00:40:02,706
Speaker 1: played college football and college baseball. But it was one

801
00:40:02,746 --> 00:40:04,706
Speaker 1: of those things where we went to the experts and

802
00:40:04,786 --> 00:40:06,986
Speaker 1: you know, we asked Corey Raymond, Hey, what do defensive

803
00:40:06,986 --> 00:40:08,226
Speaker 1: backs have to do? What do you have? What do

804
00:40:08,226 --> 00:40:10,346
Speaker 1: your safeties have to do? And we worked through this

805
00:40:10,426 --> 00:40:13,346
Speaker 1: process for a few years at LSU, and then what

806
00:40:13,506 --> 00:40:16,546
Speaker 1: happened was the Saints, who were right down the road

807
00:40:16,626 --> 00:40:19,946
Speaker 1: from LSU. I think Jeff Ireland was at LSU for

808
00:40:19,946 --> 00:40:23,626
Speaker 1: a day or something scouting players and Jack Marucci, who's

809
00:40:23,666 --> 00:40:26,546
Speaker 1: one of our biggest allies, we don't don't we don't

810
00:40:26,546 --> 00:40:28,866
Speaker 1: put anything out in the market without working with Jack

811
00:40:28,946 --> 00:40:31,906
Speaker 1: for a year on it. Jack mentioned this to Jeff,

812
00:40:31,946 --> 00:40:33,946
Speaker 1: and Jeff picked this up, and so we went through

813
00:40:33,946 --> 00:40:37,146
Speaker 1: a three year period where we worked with exclusively with

814
00:40:37,186 --> 00:40:40,906
Speaker 1: the Saints and Cowboys, just figuring out does the product

815
00:40:40,946 --> 00:40:43,186
Speaker 1: measure what we say it measures, does it predict on

816
00:40:43,266 --> 00:40:47,066
Speaker 1: field performance, those kinds of things. And once that was

817
00:40:47,186 --> 00:40:51,306
Speaker 1: sort of rolling after about three years, we decided we

818
00:40:51,306 --> 00:40:52,906
Speaker 1: were going to go to one team in every division

819
00:40:52,946 --> 00:40:55,306
Speaker 1: because we didn't want everybody to have access this. We

820
00:40:55,386 --> 00:40:58,066
Speaker 1: wanted some level of exclusivity to get in there. So

821
00:40:58,106 --> 00:40:59,906
Speaker 1: we went to one team in every division and it

822
00:41:00,026 --> 00:41:03,386
Speaker 1: kind of worked through through guys they trusted and through

823
00:41:03,426 --> 00:41:06,386
Speaker 1: guys they knew. So Jeff Ireland had worked with Brandon,

824
00:41:06,826 --> 00:41:08,866
Speaker 1: so he picked up the phone and called Brandon Bean.

825
00:41:09,586 --> 00:41:12,986
Speaker 1: Chris Ballard was in the initial Ryan Poles when he

826
00:41:13,066 --> 00:41:14,986
Speaker 1: was at the Chiefs were one of the initial groups.

827
00:41:15,186 --> 00:41:18,026
Speaker 1: So we then had a small, tight knit group that

828
00:41:18,106 --> 00:41:21,346
Speaker 1: we really worked with. Their analytics groups, We really validated,

829
00:41:21,346 --> 00:41:24,586
Speaker 1: we did test retest, we did players on and off

830
00:41:24,626 --> 00:41:28,186
Speaker 1: ADHD Meds. I mean, we really dug into this, and

831
00:41:28,226 --> 00:41:32,866
Speaker 1: then a year and a half ago we decided we

832
00:41:32,906 --> 00:41:35,026
Speaker 1: wanted to open up a little bit more. And right

833
00:41:35,026 --> 00:41:37,746
Speaker 1: now it's just open to two teams in every division,

834
00:41:37,986 --> 00:41:40,786
Speaker 1: so only half of the league gets these scores, and

835
00:41:40,866 --> 00:41:44,106
Speaker 1: so we are not. And the way it operates, the

836
00:41:44,146 --> 00:41:47,586
Speaker 1: contracts operate, is those teams own the data, So we're

837
00:41:47,626 --> 00:41:49,706
Speaker 1: not allowed to discuss the data. We're not allowed to

838
00:41:49,706 --> 00:41:52,226
Speaker 1: give the data anybody else. Any scores that you see

839
00:41:52,306 --> 00:41:55,186
Speaker 1: in the media or leaked or whatever that's not us,

840
00:41:55,266 --> 00:41:58,266
Speaker 1: that's coming from either agents or front offices, or or

841
00:41:58,306 --> 00:42:01,386
Speaker 1: just supposition, because we've seen some outright way off the

842
00:42:01,426 --> 00:42:07,666
Speaker 1: mark claims. But ultimately only only right now, only fifteen

843
00:42:07,746 --> 00:42:11,626
Speaker 1: teams get the data and use it in their process. Well,

844
00:42:11,666 --> 00:42:13,466
Speaker 1: you can tie it to my sources if you guys

845
00:42:13,546 --> 00:42:15,466
Speaker 1: follow us. Who's got the data? Who doesn't? When I

846
00:42:15,506 --> 00:42:16,986
Speaker 1: told you that, I keep on hearing about the s

847
00:42:17,026 --> 00:42:20,466
Speaker 1: two scores. How does the prospect in the combine then

848
00:42:20,706 --> 00:42:22,626
Speaker 1: take this test and then how do they use that

849
00:42:22,746 --> 00:42:24,466
Speaker 1: as something that they can use as a pro as

850
00:42:24,506 --> 00:42:28,906
Speaker 1: opposed to a con Yeah, great, great question. So in

851
00:42:29,066 --> 00:42:32,106
Speaker 1: about twenty sixteen, we started going to all the All

852
00:42:32,146 --> 00:42:34,586
Speaker 1: Star games. So we go to the NFLPA Game, the

853
00:42:34,626 --> 00:42:38,066
Speaker 1: Gridiron Game, East West Senior Bowl, and at the time

854
00:42:38,146 --> 00:42:40,546
Speaker 1: we went to the Combine. And so every year we

855
00:42:40,586 --> 00:42:43,506
Speaker 1: get about eight hundred to eight hundred and fifty draft

856
00:42:43,506 --> 00:42:48,466
Speaker 1: eligible prospects for our teams in COVID. All testing stopped

857
00:42:48,546 --> 00:42:51,626
Speaker 1: at the Combine. So it is it is, we've we've

858
00:42:51,626 --> 00:42:53,826
Speaker 1: got to find these guys who've got to go to

859
00:42:53,906 --> 00:42:55,826
Speaker 1: their pro days. We've got to we've got to get

860
00:42:55,906 --> 00:42:58,506
Speaker 1: go to thirty visits for these teams, and they're willing

861
00:42:58,506 --> 00:43:00,866
Speaker 1: to do it. The players, the prospects, the agent is like,

862
00:43:01,666 --> 00:43:04,106
Speaker 1: go and sit there for forty five minutes. For most

863
00:43:04,146 --> 00:43:06,186
Speaker 1: of the time. It is part of their process. It

864
00:43:06,226 --> 00:43:08,826
Speaker 1: is part of it's built into the bowl games. So

865
00:43:08,866 --> 00:43:11,866
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. At the Combine. It was probably

866
00:43:11,946 --> 00:43:14,746
Speaker 1: six hours of testing these athletes did. It was part

867
00:43:14,746 --> 00:43:17,546
Speaker 1: of their process. Wonderlick was one of them that everybody did.

868
00:43:17,906 --> 00:43:20,666
Speaker 1: The NFL has their own tool, the pat that they do.

869
00:43:20,786 --> 00:43:24,146
Speaker 1: Everybody does that, and then every group of teams also

870
00:43:24,266 --> 00:43:27,586
Speaker 1: has their own tests. I think for the most part,

871
00:43:27,626 --> 00:43:30,786
Speaker 1: it's really beneficial to engage in this from the S

872
00:43:30,826 --> 00:43:33,026
Speaker 1: two perspective, I think that you know, when you see

873
00:43:33,026 --> 00:43:34,986
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff in the media, you're hanging your

874
00:43:34,986 --> 00:43:37,866
Speaker 1: hat on a number, and it's just the overall number

875
00:43:38,426 --> 00:43:42,826
Speaker 1: we examine, like I alluded to earlier, nine different specific

876
00:43:42,906 --> 00:43:46,546
Speaker 1: cognitive tests, and it's really it's the pattern. And what's

877
00:43:46,586 --> 00:43:49,346
Speaker 1: most important for these athletes and agents to understand and

878
00:43:49,386 --> 00:43:53,546
Speaker 1: to know is these pattern of results lead to a

879
00:43:53,586 --> 00:43:56,466
Speaker 1: particular style of play. And I think it can be

880
00:43:56,546 --> 00:43:59,906
Speaker 1: really helpful for an athlete to match up with an

881
00:44:00,066 --> 00:44:04,626
Speaker 1: organization or a coordinator or a particular scheme based on

882
00:44:04,746 --> 00:44:07,386
Speaker 1: their results. So you may have a we're going to

883
00:44:07,426 --> 00:44:11,786
Speaker 1: stick with the quarterback position. You may have a quarterback

884
00:44:11,826 --> 00:44:14,386
Speaker 1: who can't track a ton of moving objects. They may

885
00:44:14,466 --> 00:44:16,626
Speaker 1: have a little bit of tunnel vision. They may not

886
00:44:16,746 --> 00:44:19,586
Speaker 1: be able to do four or five Q reads, they

887
00:44:19,586 --> 00:44:22,146
Speaker 1: can only do two or three Q reads. You need

888
00:44:22,186 --> 00:44:24,426
Speaker 1: to know that so that you can build your playbook

889
00:44:24,426 --> 00:44:27,586
Speaker 1: in your system around that athlete rather than forcing them

890
00:44:27,626 --> 00:44:29,826
Speaker 1: into what you're doing. I think one of the most

891
00:44:29,906 --> 00:44:33,146
Speaker 1: enlightening comments we ever heard was from Dave Randa, who

892
00:44:33,266 --> 00:44:35,306
Speaker 1: was like, Wow, man, I have been trying to fit

893
00:44:35,386 --> 00:44:37,626
Speaker 1: my players into my scheme I should be building my

894
00:44:37,666 --> 00:44:41,386
Speaker 1: scheme around what these kids can do. And it's like, yeah, absolutely.

895
00:44:41,426 --> 00:44:44,106
Speaker 1: So for an athlete, it will help them at the

896
00:44:44,146 --> 00:44:47,346
Speaker 1: next level. A get up to speed, quick, quicker, and

897
00:44:47,506 --> 00:44:51,906
Speaker 1: be your front office and coaches know what you're how

898
00:44:51,906 --> 00:44:54,346
Speaker 1: you're wired, how you're built for the game, so that

899
00:44:54,426 --> 00:44:59,066
Speaker 1: they can plan around that. You get this this test

900
00:44:59,186 --> 00:45:02,746
Speaker 1: up and running, you're rolling. And now what's a good score,

901
00:45:03,306 --> 00:45:06,946
Speaker 1: like what's in the wonder like Ryan Fitzpatrick to forty?

902
00:45:06,986 --> 00:45:09,026
Speaker 1: We talk about it, Johnny Menzel get the high score,

903
00:45:09,146 --> 00:45:11,226
Speaker 1: we talk about it. A player gets a low score,

904
00:45:11,306 --> 00:45:13,706
Speaker 1: we roll our eyes and say, you know, and we

905
00:45:13,786 --> 00:45:16,386
Speaker 1: dance around that that topic. What's a high score? What's

906
00:45:16,386 --> 00:45:19,066
Speaker 1: a low score? And if I was to rally around

907
00:45:19,146 --> 00:45:21,466
Speaker 1: my client, if I'm an agent talking to teams, am

908
00:45:21,506 --> 00:45:25,146
Speaker 1: I what am I saying? Yep? Great question. So as

909
00:45:25,146 --> 00:45:28,546
Speaker 1: opposed to those tests that just make up their own

910
00:45:28,586 --> 00:45:31,226
Speaker 1: scoring scales, what we do is we take their raw

911
00:45:31,346 --> 00:45:36,266
Speaker 1: data and we provide Z scores and then translate that

912
00:45:36,306 --> 00:45:40,226
Speaker 1: into percentiles. So every score you hear, that's how that

913
00:45:40,306 --> 00:45:44,066
Speaker 1: player ranks among all test takers. So our database is

914
00:45:44,106 --> 00:45:47,266
Speaker 1: about four thousand professional football players, and so if you

915
00:45:47,386 --> 00:45:50,466
Speaker 1: hear they scored an eighty seven. That means they scored

916
00:45:50,546 --> 00:45:53,746
Speaker 1: better than eighty seven percent of all football players taking

917
00:45:53,826 --> 00:45:57,706
Speaker 1: the test. Okay, so buy statistics and buy our normal

918
00:45:57,746 --> 00:46:01,266
Speaker 1: shape distribution. Fifty is average, So if you score fifty,

919
00:46:01,346 --> 00:46:03,626
Speaker 1: you're dead in the middle of all pro players. I

920
00:46:03,666 --> 00:46:05,546
Speaker 1: just want that in perspective because most of the time

921
00:46:05,706 --> 00:46:10,146
Speaker 1: here somebody yeah yeah. And so our average range is

922
00:46:10,186 --> 00:46:13,826
Speaker 1: between forty and sixty. So if you score at forty four,

923
00:46:13,946 --> 00:46:16,586
Speaker 1: people are like, holy smokes. Forty four is average. I

924
00:46:16,586 --> 00:46:19,026
Speaker 1: mean that is an average NFL player as an average

925
00:46:19,026 --> 00:46:22,826
Speaker 1: pro player. So score we consider elite is eighty and above.

926
00:46:23,386 --> 00:46:26,546
Speaker 1: What we score high average is sixty to eighty. Average

927
00:46:26,586 --> 00:46:29,226
Speaker 1: is forty to sixty. Below average is twenty to forty.

928
00:46:29,546 --> 00:46:32,066
Speaker 1: And you know, one of the one of the poorer

929
00:46:32,106 --> 00:46:34,746
Speaker 1: scores between zero and twenty, which you just don't see

930
00:46:34,786 --> 00:46:39,026
Speaker 1: that often in pro football. All right, two more questions

931
00:46:39,026 --> 00:46:42,066
Speaker 1: from me. The first one is I never played football

932
00:46:42,066 --> 00:46:44,746
Speaker 1: at any level, but I counsider myself a quick processor.

933
00:46:44,826 --> 00:46:46,666
Speaker 1: Can I walk in and get an eighty seven percent?

934
00:46:46,746 --> 00:46:48,866
Speaker 1: Or do you need to have football to be able

935
00:46:48,906 --> 00:46:52,626
Speaker 1: to do the test itself? Yep, No, this is not football. Specific.

936
00:46:52,786 --> 00:46:55,786
Speaker 1: All of our batteries of tasks are different for each

937
00:46:56,506 --> 00:46:59,706
Speaker 1: for each sport, but it requires zero football knowledge, and

938
00:46:59,746 --> 00:47:01,786
Speaker 1: I think that's where we sort of separate ourselves from

939
00:47:01,786 --> 00:47:04,826
Speaker 1: other other products. We're truly measuring the way the brain

940
00:47:04,946 --> 00:47:09,026
Speaker 1: is wired and how that will influence their play, versus

941
00:47:09,066 --> 00:47:12,386
Speaker 1: needing some sophisticated knowledge. I'll tell you this is pretty

942
00:47:12,426 --> 00:47:15,066
Speaker 1: cool because we wanted to get in the question of

943
00:47:15,106 --> 00:47:17,626
Speaker 1: gaming in these elite gamers and how do they score

944
00:47:17,666 --> 00:47:21,226
Speaker 1: against athletes? Right, Yeah, So we took the top ten

945
00:47:21,346 --> 00:47:24,186
Speaker 1: Halo players in the world and put them on this

946
00:47:24,266 --> 00:47:27,946
Speaker 1: football battle and on average these guys scored sixty eight

947
00:47:28,266 --> 00:47:31,786
Speaker 1: So they scored only about sixty eight percent. So when

948
00:47:31,826 --> 00:47:35,506
Speaker 1: you see these quarterbacks with these elite scores, they're better processing.

949
00:47:35,506 --> 00:47:38,186
Speaker 1: They're quicker processors than the best gamers in the world.

950
00:47:38,306 --> 00:47:42,986
Speaker 1: I think it's important context. Obviously, this is a contract

951
00:47:43,026 --> 00:47:44,906
Speaker 1: deal where you work with teams and you work with

952
00:47:44,986 --> 00:47:47,666
Speaker 1: prospects and you work at the balls. If an everyday

953
00:47:47,746 --> 00:47:49,946
Speaker 1: Joe just wanted to listen to this podcast and see

954
00:47:49,946 --> 00:47:52,026
Speaker 1: how they could fare, they could always google a Wonderlick

955
00:47:52,066 --> 00:47:53,866
Speaker 1: test and try to take it. Is there a sample

956
00:47:53,906 --> 00:47:55,586
Speaker 1: test on the website that there's somewhere where we could

957
00:47:55,626 --> 00:47:59,306
Speaker 1: test ours two scores, whether getting into the gaming screens

958
00:47:59,426 --> 00:48:00,586
Speaker 1: or not. Is there a way to be able to

959
00:48:00,586 --> 00:48:02,466
Speaker 1: do it if you're not a part of an NFL

960
00:48:02,506 --> 00:48:05,346
Speaker 1: team or trying to have have for the NFL. Yeah, so

961
00:48:05,426 --> 00:48:10,786
Speaker 1: we yes, I'll say yes and no. So we have

962
00:48:11,226 --> 00:48:14,786
Speaker 1: our elite system that's built on laboratory based precision. We

963
00:48:14,906 --> 00:48:18,626
Speaker 1: carry around these proprietary response pads that can capture reaction

964
00:48:18,666 --> 00:48:21,666
Speaker 1: time within one one thousandth of a second. We have

965
00:48:21,786 --> 00:48:26,106
Speaker 1: scaled onto Xbox and so we're using that Xbox model

966
00:48:26,186 --> 00:48:29,546
Speaker 1: for the sub collegiate level. So anybody bought a college

967
00:48:29,666 --> 00:48:32,586
Speaker 1: will probably be on the Xbox. And we have testing

968
00:48:32,586 --> 00:48:36,186
Speaker 1: centers around the country that are primarily you know, sports

969
00:48:36,186 --> 00:48:40,666
Speaker 1: based facilities, your d ones, your travel baseball facilities, those

970
00:48:40,746 --> 00:48:42,786
Speaker 1: kinds of things that you could walk in and take

971
00:48:42,826 --> 00:48:46,746
Speaker 1: a test. Okay, last one, extra one, nature versus nurture

972
00:48:46,746 --> 00:48:48,906
Speaker 1: on this thing. Could you take any high school athlete

973
00:48:49,186 --> 00:48:50,866
Speaker 1: PLoP them in there is there a chance that kid

974
00:48:50,866 --> 00:48:54,826
Speaker 1: could get a ninety? Absolutely? Yep, yep. This is testing

975
00:48:54,866 --> 00:48:58,226
Speaker 1: the way the system your brain is wired and and

976
00:48:58,266 --> 00:49:00,706
Speaker 1: this is this is not something that you can study for.

977
00:49:01,066 --> 00:49:03,186
Speaker 1: This is not something you could practice a bunch. We've

978
00:49:03,226 --> 00:49:05,986
Speaker 1: seen you know, we've seen the the It's interesting you

979
00:49:06,026 --> 00:49:08,466
Speaker 1: see these scores lead you hear the Bryce Young story.

980
00:49:08,506 --> 00:49:10,826
Speaker 1: And we did test Bryce in high school, right, he

981
00:49:10,906 --> 00:49:13,466
Speaker 1: was at the Quarterback Collective. We work with Richmond followers

982
00:49:13,466 --> 00:49:16,906
Speaker 1: and the Quarterback Collective guys. But this is not something

983
00:49:16,906 --> 00:49:18,546
Speaker 1: that you're like, Hey, Bryce took it as a high

984
00:49:18,546 --> 00:49:20,666
Speaker 1: schooler and he kept taking it at Alabama, so he's

985
00:49:20,666 --> 00:49:22,866
Speaker 1: going to score better. It is how you're wired. Bryce

986
00:49:22,946 --> 00:49:27,186
Speaker 1: literally scored the same as he did at at his

987
00:49:28,026 --> 00:49:30,426
Speaker 1: facility as he did when he was a junior in

988
00:49:30,506 --> 00:49:33,746
Speaker 1: high school. So the system isn't changing that much. I'll

989
00:49:33,786 --> 00:49:36,306
Speaker 1: say there is some brain maturation, right, I mean, your

990
00:49:36,346 --> 00:49:39,066
Speaker 1: brain is still developing until you're early twenties, so there's

991
00:49:39,106 --> 00:49:41,106
Speaker 1: a little bit of moving the needle. But this is

992
00:49:41,106 --> 00:49:44,506
Speaker 1: how you're wired. And for those that are interested in training,

993
00:49:44,666 --> 00:49:47,386
Speaker 1: because you can improve You're not going to improve your

994
00:49:47,386 --> 00:49:50,626
Speaker 1: score on our test. You can improve that specific cognitive

995
00:49:50,666 --> 00:49:52,706
Speaker 1: skill in the field. So you've got to do all

996
00:49:52,746 --> 00:49:55,186
Speaker 1: of your work on the field. We would never recommend

997
00:49:55,266 --> 00:49:57,426
Speaker 1: somebody go in and take these iPad apps and stay

998
00:49:57,466 --> 00:49:59,666
Speaker 1: on the iPad. Hey, I'm gonna improve your batting average

999
00:49:59,666 --> 00:50:02,146
Speaker 1: by thirty points if you do this iPad app. That's

1000
00:50:02,186 --> 00:50:04,626
Speaker 1: not how it works. It won't transfer it on the field.

1001
00:50:04,666 --> 00:50:07,626
Speaker 1: You actually have to do very so if it cognitively

1002
00:50:07,666 --> 00:50:10,986
Speaker 1: focused drills on the field to improve performance. So you

1003
00:50:10,986 --> 00:50:14,306
Speaker 1: can't hire someone from the Capitlan SATC service and have

1004
00:50:14,386 --> 00:50:16,266
Speaker 1: them tutor you and just prep you for the test

1005
00:50:16,346 --> 00:50:19,506
Speaker 1: like I did for the That is impossible. And every

1006
00:50:19,546 --> 00:50:22,586
Speaker 1: every test we do you're required well, I would say

1007
00:50:22,666 --> 00:50:26,066
Speaker 1: ninety percent of the test your responses are within half

1008
00:50:26,066 --> 00:50:29,146
Speaker 1: a second. Yeah, So there's no like studying. There's no

1009
00:50:29,226 --> 00:50:31,626
Speaker 1: like gaming it or practicing it. I mean, this is

1010
00:50:31,986 --> 00:50:33,626
Speaker 1: the only way you can do is not give full

1011
00:50:33,626 --> 00:50:37,106
Speaker 1: effort and you'll get hammered. That test prep wasted. Anyway,

1012
00:50:37,106 --> 00:50:39,146
Speaker 1: I got a three ninety in math and I paid

1013
00:50:39,146 --> 00:50:43,186
Speaker 1: a tutor and the whole thing, And yeah, that was that. Uh, Brandon,

1014
00:50:43,186 --> 00:50:45,906
Speaker 1: you're the man. Where you guys located. We're based out

1015
00:50:45,946 --> 00:50:49,146
Speaker 1: of Nashville, Tennessee. Nashville, Tennessee. That's really cool. You're a

1016
00:50:49,226 --> 00:50:51,106
Speaker 1: young guy and you and your partner are building a

1017
00:50:51,146 --> 00:50:53,746
Speaker 1: really cool business. And I could already feel and making

1018
00:50:53,786 --> 00:50:55,586
Speaker 1: an impact in the NFL, and it feels like it's

1019
00:50:55,626 --> 00:50:58,906
Speaker 1: a cool grassroots story that you guys built us yourselves. Congratulations, dude,

1020
00:50:58,986 --> 00:51:01,546
Speaker 1: appreciate it, man, thanks for having me on. Really appreciate this,

1021
00:51:02,146 --> 00:51:05,066
Speaker 1: no doubt. Guys. Brandon Ally, what's the company called if

1022
00:51:05,066 --> 00:51:10,186
Speaker 1: people want to look it up, Brandon S two cognition

1023
00:51:10,266 --> 00:51:13,426
Speaker 1: dot com. We've got a lot of social media stuff

1024
00:51:13,426 --> 00:51:15,946
Speaker 1: where we try to post some educational content if you're

1025
00:51:15,986 --> 00:51:18,746
Speaker 1: interested in in you know how you know how cognition

1026
00:51:18,786 --> 00:51:22,026
Speaker 1: plays out on the sports field. Um, yeah, follow us

1027
00:51:22,026 --> 00:51:25,626
Speaker 1: on social and listen to our podcasts and yep, love

1028
00:51:25,666 --> 00:51:27,826
Speaker 1: it all right, dude, thank you so much for joining us,

1029
00:51:27,866 --> 00:51:29,466
Speaker 1: and I'm sure we'll be hearing about the S two

1030
00:51:29,546 --> 00:51:32,066
Speaker 1: cognitive tests in the next couple of weeks. Thanks brother,

1031
00:51:32,186 --> 00:51:42,506
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. You know, we could have had

1032
00:51:42,506 --> 00:51:46,226
Speaker 1: on a GM maybe we will, or a draft prospect.

1033
00:51:46,266 --> 00:51:49,226
Speaker 1: I'm finding them to get they're all like running together.

1034
00:51:49,226 --> 00:51:51,506
Speaker 1: We do one good Morning Fall interview, like eight prospects

1035
00:51:51,506 --> 00:51:53,306
Speaker 1: a day, and I can't even get them straight. They

1036
00:51:53,306 --> 00:51:55,306
Speaker 1: all are just wonderful young men. But it's like, I

1037
00:51:55,306 --> 00:51:56,626
Speaker 1: don't know if I need to hear from a nineteen

1038
00:51:56,666 --> 00:51:59,626
Speaker 1: year old kid about training for the draft. Um, I

1039
00:51:59,706 --> 00:52:03,746
Speaker 1: sounded pretty dismissive. Sorry, uh, but we were talking as

1040
00:52:03,826 --> 00:52:05,866
Speaker 1: we get back, Like, Brandon ally is the type of

1041
00:52:06,506 --> 00:52:09,546
Speaker 1: guest Aaron like I want to have on I'd never

1042
00:52:09,586 --> 00:52:12,466
Speaker 1: heard of S two cognitive tests. Apparently it's been around

1043
00:52:12,466 --> 00:52:14,546
Speaker 1: for a while and teams are using it to get

1044
00:52:14,546 --> 00:52:16,386
Speaker 1: an edge on the other half of the league. I

1045
00:52:16,426 --> 00:52:19,706
Speaker 1: find that interesting. Yeah, I want to know what those

1046
00:52:19,866 --> 00:52:22,466
Speaker 1: other half of the league teams need to do to

1047
00:52:22,546 --> 00:52:24,866
Speaker 1: get the S two tests, because it sounds like, you know,

1048
00:52:25,146 --> 00:52:27,066
Speaker 1: if you're some of these people are getting my leg up.

1049
00:52:27,266 --> 00:52:29,466
Speaker 1: I think it's a competitive advantage. Brandon was cool too,

1050
00:52:29,546 --> 00:52:31,866
Speaker 1: young guy at a Nashville and anyone who's an entrepreneur

1051
00:52:31,866 --> 00:52:34,626
Speaker 1: and could build their own company, I appreciate that stuff.

1052
00:52:35,106 --> 00:52:36,786
Speaker 1: We're gonna end the pod with what we're gonna do

1053
00:52:36,826 --> 00:52:39,986
Speaker 1: every week. I think we're gonna take reader tweets and respond,

1054
00:52:40,026 --> 00:52:43,586
Speaker 1: I said, off Mike, and I'm not copying anybody, but like,

1055
00:52:43,626 --> 00:52:46,746
Speaker 1: I love when Ryan Russillo does life advice. I love

1056
00:52:46,786 --> 00:52:50,386
Speaker 1: when Bill Simmons and cousin sal do parent corner. This

1057
00:52:50,426 --> 00:52:53,186
Speaker 1: isn't exactly reinventing the wheel. Let's read some tweets. What

1058
00:52:53,266 --> 00:52:55,546
Speaker 1: do we got eron? Yes, so we did. We did

1059
00:52:55,546 --> 00:52:57,986
Speaker 1: some tweets and some emails, and we got a couple questions,

1060
00:52:59,546 --> 00:53:02,746
Speaker 1: some of my favorite ones here, what's your take on

1061
00:53:02,906 --> 00:53:06,306
Speaker 1: the Amazon Thursday Nights stuff? Okay, So I wasn't at

1062
00:53:06,346 --> 00:53:08,706
Speaker 1: the league meetings, usually I am, and I hear it

1063
00:53:08,746 --> 00:53:12,946
Speaker 1: was like a pretty interesting room where it was presented

1064
00:53:12,986 --> 00:53:16,066
Speaker 1: that the Amazon Thursday Night schedule would have the ability

1065
00:53:16,346 --> 00:53:19,786
Speaker 1: to flex games at the end of this season. And

1066
00:53:19,826 --> 00:53:22,426
Speaker 1: there is a big contingent that was for that, and

1067
00:53:23,026 --> 00:53:25,146
Speaker 1: I believe from what it sounds like, the league was

1068
00:53:25,586 --> 00:53:28,586
Speaker 1: more than willing to help push that over the finish line.

1069
00:53:28,786 --> 00:53:31,746
Speaker 1: But then there was a strong contingent against it in

1070
00:53:31,786 --> 00:53:35,106
Speaker 1: that it's not fair to the fans, like Week fourteen,

1071
00:53:35,146 --> 00:53:39,186
Speaker 1: Week fifteen, Week sixteen, if you've bought your tickets for

1072
00:53:39,266 --> 00:53:41,546
Speaker 1: US Sunday in December and then you're told the game

1073
00:53:41,666 --> 00:53:45,866
Speaker 1: is actually Thursday Night at seven thirty. John Marrow was

1074
00:53:45,906 --> 00:53:48,026
Speaker 1: the biggest voice of that, the owner of the Giants,

1075
00:53:48,066 --> 00:53:50,226
Speaker 1: and to me, I'm always amazed that it could get

1076
00:53:50,266 --> 00:53:52,066
Speaker 1: to that point that it gets to the room and

1077
00:53:52,066 --> 00:53:54,906
Speaker 1: we're out a vote, and now John Mara's voicing like

1078
00:53:55,066 --> 00:53:57,466
Speaker 1: his this pleasure for it. But that's what these league

1079
00:53:57,466 --> 00:54:00,826
Speaker 1: meetings are. You have thirty one different people in that room.

1080
00:54:00,866 --> 00:54:03,306
Speaker 1: Thirty two it's a representative from Green Bay, and they

1081
00:54:03,346 --> 00:54:07,506
Speaker 1: have opinions, and it's an open forum. You know, David

1082
00:54:07,506 --> 00:54:10,506
Speaker 1: Tepper is worth you know how many billion he's got,

1083
00:54:10,546 --> 00:54:13,346
Speaker 1: and he owned Wall Street. He's got a voice in

1084
00:54:13,346 --> 00:54:16,546
Speaker 1: that room. And so does you know Mike Brown who's

1085
00:54:16,586 --> 00:54:19,146
Speaker 1: the owner of the Bengals, and it's a family run business,

1086
00:54:19,186 --> 00:54:21,826
Speaker 1: and he's got a thought. Now, from what I'm told,

1087
00:54:22,586 --> 00:54:24,866
Speaker 1: the argument for the pro side of it is not

1088
00:54:24,986 --> 00:54:27,906
Speaker 1: the Amazon people, you know, lobbying like we're in DC

1089
00:54:28,106 --> 00:54:31,066
Speaker 1: on the Hill or something. What it is is it's

1090
00:54:31,746 --> 00:54:35,106
Speaker 1: Amazon paid a lot of money for a standalone package,

1091
00:54:35,266 --> 00:54:37,586
Speaker 1: just like ESPN pays a lot of money for a

1092
00:54:37,666 --> 00:54:41,266
Speaker 1: standalone package. Now, if you're CBS or Fox, you get

1093
00:54:41,306 --> 00:54:43,586
Speaker 1: a slate of seven games every weekend. So you could

1094
00:54:43,626 --> 00:54:46,146
Speaker 1: kind of say, all right, we had an expectation that

1095
00:54:46,226 --> 00:54:48,586
Speaker 1: Packers Giants was going to be important, but the Packers

1096
00:54:48,586 --> 00:54:51,346
Speaker 1: have three wins and the Giants have six wins this year.

1097
00:54:51,346 --> 00:54:54,386
Speaker 1: In this instance, actually San Francisco, New Orleans, that's who

1098
00:54:54,386 --> 00:54:56,026
Speaker 1: we're sending our crew to and we're gonna tell them

1099
00:54:56,026 --> 00:54:57,666
Speaker 1: on Monday and they'll be there Sunday and we've got

1100
00:54:57,666 --> 00:55:02,186
Speaker 1: that game. Amazon did not have that luxury last year,

1101
00:55:02,306 --> 00:55:06,266
Speaker 1: and nor did ESPN. So ESPN had a late season

1102
00:55:06,786 --> 00:55:10,826
Speaker 1: Packers Rams Monday Night game that I don't remember, but

1103
00:55:10,906 --> 00:55:14,066
Speaker 1: I'm sure when they were given that game in May

1104
00:55:14,626 --> 00:55:19,386
Speaker 1: before last season, Packers, Rams, McVeigh, Stafford, Rogers, all that stuff,

1105
00:55:19,506 --> 00:55:22,186
Speaker 1: they expected to have the game of the year late season.

1106
00:55:22,546 --> 00:55:25,306
Speaker 1: Well it wasn't. It was a dud. ESPN is part

1107
00:55:25,306 --> 00:55:27,986
Speaker 1: of their deal. They get some flex games now at

1108
00:55:28,026 --> 00:55:30,226
Speaker 1: the end of the season. It makes sense they had

1109
00:55:30,226 --> 00:55:32,306
Speaker 1: no other choice. That was the only game they can get.

1110
00:55:32,666 --> 00:55:34,986
Speaker 1: And as much as a scheduling quirk that might be,

1111
00:55:35,546 --> 00:55:38,186
Speaker 1: it is fair for a media company, according to those

1112
00:55:38,226 --> 00:55:40,706
Speaker 1: who are in favor of this thing, to have that luxury,

1113
00:55:41,106 --> 00:55:45,226
Speaker 1: no matter who had the Thursday night game, whether it

1114
00:55:45,426 --> 00:55:50,706
Speaker 1: was Apple or Google, or if you're not CBS and

1115
00:55:50,786 --> 00:55:55,986
Speaker 1: you're not NBC and you're not Fox, you're getting dealt

1116
00:55:56,066 --> 00:55:58,586
Speaker 1: what the league gives you. And you're straddled with this

1117
00:55:58,626 --> 00:56:01,026
Speaker 1: thing despite paying the same money as the other guys.

1118
00:56:01,026 --> 00:56:04,146
Speaker 1: So I understand it, and it's a better product, and

1119
00:56:04,186 --> 00:56:07,266
Speaker 1: it helps everybody to have people watching foot ball. But

1120
00:56:07,386 --> 00:56:09,706
Speaker 1: I also hear the other side of it. It's kind

1121
00:56:09,706 --> 00:56:12,106
Speaker 1: of BS for the players, it's kind of BS for

1122
00:56:12,146 --> 00:56:14,226
Speaker 1: the fans, and it's kind of BS for the season

1123
00:56:14,266 --> 00:56:17,906
Speaker 1: ticket holders who have to base their lives around those games.

1124
00:56:17,906 --> 00:56:20,266
Speaker 1: When the schedule comes out in May. Right now, it

1125
00:56:20,346 --> 00:56:22,746
Speaker 1: sounds like they don't have enough votes, but they're a

1126
00:56:22,746 --> 00:56:26,226
Speaker 1: couple short. In May, they're gonna vote on it again.

1127
00:56:26,746 --> 00:56:29,266
Speaker 1: I'd be shocked if it doesn't pass. All right. Number two,

1128
00:56:29,306 --> 00:56:32,266
Speaker 1: we already talk succession a little bit. What's another show

1129
00:56:32,306 --> 00:56:34,706
Speaker 1: you watched while you were off? All right? So it

1130
00:56:34,826 --> 00:56:38,266
Speaker 1: sounds like the guy who comes along in you know,

1131
00:56:38,386 --> 00:56:40,746
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, and it's like you never see Seinfeld.

1132
00:56:40,786 --> 00:56:46,426
Speaker 1: It's pretty funny. I resisted ted Lasso for a long

1133
00:56:46,506 --> 00:56:49,986
Speaker 1: time because I just, I don't know, It's like it

1134
00:56:50,106 --> 00:56:52,826
Speaker 1: seemed very hokey dokey, and it seemed a little cringey

1135
00:56:52,866 --> 00:56:55,946
Speaker 1: when I would see the ads. This show is an

1136
00:56:55,946 --> 00:56:59,146
Speaker 1: awesome I've loved it. I am cursing up a storm.

1137
00:56:59,586 --> 00:57:02,146
Speaker 1: We binged a shit out of Ted Lasso while we

1138
00:57:02,146 --> 00:57:04,946
Speaker 1: were off, while I was off with Praternity Leave. I

1139
00:57:05,026 --> 00:57:06,986
Speaker 1: love it. I love everything about it. I think it's

1140
00:57:06,986 --> 00:57:08,986
Speaker 1: well written. I think it's got so much heart. I

1141
00:57:08,986 --> 00:57:11,346
Speaker 1: think the soccer stuff is good. I think it's funny.

1142
00:57:11,986 --> 00:57:15,826
Speaker 1: And I am so into Lasso that you know, this

1143
00:57:15,906 --> 00:57:17,746
Speaker 1: is a show that's not a streamer that everyone just

1144
00:57:17,826 --> 00:57:20,466
Speaker 1: being just like I am caught up to date. I've

1145
00:57:20,506 --> 00:57:23,706
Speaker 1: been watching the first few episodes of season three and

1146
00:57:23,786 --> 00:57:25,266
Speaker 1: I'm like up to date and I am ready. I

1147
00:57:25,266 --> 00:57:26,986
Speaker 1: don't know what dy it drops. I honestly don't. I

1148
00:57:27,026 --> 00:57:29,106
Speaker 1: just I get excited. I opened the Apple app and

1149
00:57:29,106 --> 00:57:32,306
Speaker 1: it's there. I don't know, said Akas. I don't know

1150
00:57:32,346 --> 00:57:34,026
Speaker 1: any of the show runners. I don't know Bill Lawrence.

1151
00:57:34,026 --> 00:57:36,026
Speaker 1: I don't know guys. Hats off to them to have

1152
00:57:36,106 --> 00:57:41,626
Speaker 1: an earnest, yet well written comedy that isn't in the

1153
00:57:41,866 --> 00:57:47,146
Speaker 1: Michael Shore parks and rec mockumentary, abbot elementary mocumentary office

1154
00:57:47,266 --> 00:57:50,746
Speaker 1: mockumentary format of everyone you know is looking at a

1155
00:57:50,786 --> 00:57:53,546
Speaker 1: camera off screen, rolling their eyes, because that's just what

1156
00:57:54,146 --> 00:57:59,146
Speaker 1: comedy has become. It's a real show that is like

1157
00:57:59,266 --> 00:58:01,826
Speaker 1: old school. I feel like I'm watching Cheers every week.

1158
00:58:01,986 --> 00:58:04,906
Speaker 1: I love it. I have no cynicism. I know you

1159
00:58:04,906 --> 00:58:08,626
Speaker 1: said you don't watch Succession Aaron, have you done Ted Lasso?

1160
00:58:09,346 --> 00:58:13,386
Speaker 1: I have. So. We were so into season one, loved it,

1161
00:58:13,466 --> 00:58:15,666
Speaker 1: loved it, loved it, watched all season two as well.

1162
00:58:16,346 --> 00:58:21,066
Speaker 1: Have not started season three yet. Um there were there

1163
00:58:21,066 --> 00:58:23,226
Speaker 1: were elements of season two that didn't hook me the

1164
00:58:23,266 --> 00:58:28,186
Speaker 1: same way one did. One was was just beautiful. I thought, Um,

1165
00:58:28,506 --> 00:58:32,546
Speaker 1: I personally I didn't love when the assistant coach like

1166
00:58:32,626 --> 00:58:35,386
Speaker 1: kind of turns evil. Yes, spoiler alert, I apologize, it's

1167
00:58:35,386 --> 00:58:39,306
Speaker 1: actually a weird subplot. Still, yeah, it continues on to

1168
00:58:39,386 --> 00:58:42,426
Speaker 1: season three, and I'm not gonna give anything away, but

1169
00:58:43,586 --> 00:58:46,786
Speaker 1: I agree, like, I still don't. I still don't know

1170
00:58:46,826 --> 00:58:52,186
Speaker 1: why he's so angry at Ted. Yeah, and um he there, Yeah,

1171
00:58:52,186 --> 00:58:55,826
Speaker 1: there were elements of that. I also, uh, I know

1172
00:58:55,946 --> 00:58:58,906
Speaker 1: that Beard is one of the writers, but I remember

1173
00:58:59,026 --> 00:59:03,306
Speaker 1: last season like Beard episode, be Beard episode. I was like, ah,

1174
00:59:03,746 --> 00:59:05,986
Speaker 1: if you're not, if you don't watch it. Basically, they

1175
00:59:05,986 --> 00:59:08,226
Speaker 1: have this normal show and the plot advances, and then

1176
00:59:08,666 --> 00:59:11,626
Speaker 1: on like episode nine, Coach Beard just has this long,

1177
00:59:11,906 --> 00:59:14,466
Speaker 1: never ending night where he ends up in like glitter

1178
00:59:14,546 --> 00:59:16,946
Speaker 1: pants and he's it's just like this deep, deep cut

1179
00:59:16,986 --> 00:59:20,626
Speaker 1: of an assistant coach, a secondary character. I read after

1180
00:59:20,666 --> 00:59:22,666
Speaker 1: the fact because I did not like that episode either.

1181
00:59:22,706 --> 00:59:25,266
Speaker 1: People love it, Aaron, people love it. I think it's

1182
00:59:25,306 --> 00:59:29,146
Speaker 1: like I look and apparently they had done eight episodes

1183
00:59:29,186 --> 00:59:31,466
Speaker 1: in scripts and then they were like supposed to do

1184
00:59:31,506 --> 00:59:34,506
Speaker 1: two more so on the back end they did that

1185
00:59:34,626 --> 00:59:37,386
Speaker 1: and the Christmas episode and they kind of just dropped

1186
00:59:37,426 --> 00:59:42,946
Speaker 1: them in. People love the Beard episode. Yeah, no, I know, yep,

1187
00:59:43,946 --> 00:59:47,466
Speaker 1: it didn't hit for me. That's you know, it's okay. Yeah.

1188
00:59:47,506 --> 00:59:49,346
Speaker 1: Season three is a new character in it who I'm

1189
00:59:49,346 --> 00:59:54,266
Speaker 1: already digging. And there's some strange Aaron Rodgers parallels to

1190
00:59:54,266 --> 00:59:58,746
Speaker 1: this character. I'll leave it as that. Did see Sadakis

1191
00:59:58,786 --> 01:00:03,586
Speaker 1: at a Nick game. He was sitting courtside. I was not,

1192
01:00:04,066 --> 01:00:05,906
Speaker 1: but he was with the cast of Ted Last So

1193
01:00:06,426 --> 01:00:08,626
Speaker 1: and those guys look like they actually really get along

1194
01:00:08,666 --> 01:00:11,786
Speaker 1: off camera too, which is pretty cool. Yeah. Another show

1195
01:00:11,786 --> 01:00:14,226
Speaker 1: I've been watching that I'm not sure if you watch

1196
01:00:14,506 --> 01:00:18,866
Speaker 1: is your friend Paul Rodd's Party Down. So explain, because

1197
01:00:18,906 --> 01:00:22,666
Speaker 1: I've watched Party Down on Bravo years ago. Stars Yes,

1198
01:00:22,746 --> 01:00:27,266
Speaker 1: Stars Love, Adam Scott Love, Martin Star Love, Lizzie Kaplan

1199
01:00:27,506 --> 01:00:29,546
Speaker 1: what is? And then I kind of I missed this?

1200
01:00:29,666 --> 01:00:33,626
Speaker 1: So Stars has and Paul Rudd was an executive producer

1201
01:00:33,666 --> 01:00:36,386
Speaker 1: and a writer and all that. It's back or it's

1202
01:00:36,426 --> 01:00:39,386
Speaker 1: a reunion show. What is it? A little bit of both?

1203
01:00:39,426 --> 01:00:43,106
Speaker 1: They revived it reunion, it's it like takes place post

1204
01:00:43,106 --> 01:00:46,626
Speaker 1: pandemic and it's I think six. They're like like Martin Star,

1205
01:00:46,666 --> 01:00:48,186
Speaker 1: it's like a forty year old man. He's a forty

1206
01:00:48,266 --> 01:00:51,026
Speaker 1: year old cater still. Yeah, so they're all I mean,

1207
01:00:51,066 --> 01:00:53,346
Speaker 1: the premise of the show is people in LA who

1208
01:00:53,346 --> 01:00:56,346
Speaker 1: are in some creative field, typically who their side job

1209
01:00:56,466 --> 01:00:58,986
Speaker 1: is a catering business. The beauty of the setup of

1210
01:00:59,026 --> 01:01:01,066
Speaker 1: the show is that it takes place at a new

1211
01:01:01,106 --> 01:01:05,266
Speaker 1: event every week. So sometimes it's a dance or it

1212
01:01:05,426 --> 01:01:08,746
Speaker 1: is a fundraiser or it's a big award ceremony, and

1213
01:01:08,746 --> 01:01:11,146
Speaker 1: the caterers are always the same, but they're working these

1214
01:01:11,146 --> 01:01:14,786
Speaker 1: different events. And this one is kind of like catching

1215
01:01:14,866 --> 01:01:18,986
Speaker 1: up with everyone. Adam Scott is back with the catering company.

1216
01:01:19,146 --> 01:01:23,506
Speaker 1: It is. I laughed so much watched Okay, so here's

1217
01:01:23,506 --> 01:01:26,986
Speaker 1: my question. I remember vaguely watching episode here there whatever.

1218
01:01:27,066 --> 01:01:29,346
Speaker 1: I wasn't like a party down. Can I jump in

1219
01:01:29,426 --> 01:01:33,746
Speaker 1: on these? Yeah? There there will be There are new characters.

1220
01:01:33,786 --> 01:01:36,706
Speaker 1: There are some jokes that are like paid off from long,

1221
01:01:36,826 --> 01:01:41,146
Speaker 1: long time ago. But you don't need by any means. Yeah, okay,

1222
01:01:41,226 --> 01:01:43,026
Speaker 1: I love this stuff. All right, what's your last one?

1223
01:01:43,106 --> 01:01:46,946
Speaker 1: I'm sure? Yeah. And we had plenty of football related

1224
01:01:46,986 --> 01:01:49,746
Speaker 1: ones that we answered earlier, but this one is really,

1225
01:01:49,786 --> 01:01:53,506
Speaker 1: I think the most draft relevant question we received, which is,

1226
01:01:53,866 --> 01:01:56,346
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on the Super Mario movie? I

1227
01:01:56,426 --> 01:01:58,706
Speaker 1: loved it? Can I tell you why I loved it?

1228
01:01:59,666 --> 01:02:06,426
Speaker 1: Eighty two minutes? Holy? Was that enjoyable? Eighty two minutes?

1229
01:02:06,466 --> 01:02:09,906
Speaker 1: It's in and out. As a fellow Brooklyn resident, you'll

1230
01:02:09,906 --> 01:02:14,746
Speaker 1: appreciate it starts off in animated Brooklyn. And I don't

1231
01:02:14,746 --> 01:02:16,346
Speaker 1: need to go through the entire plot of the Mario

1232
01:02:16,386 --> 01:02:20,106
Speaker 1: Brothers movie with you, but I will tell you this.

1233
01:02:20,306 --> 01:02:23,106
Speaker 1: It's eighty two minutes. It starts. You know, every character.

1234
01:02:23,386 --> 01:02:25,306
Speaker 1: I don't know if you need to know the backstory

1235
01:02:25,346 --> 01:02:28,466
Speaker 1: on the Mario saga, but they give you one. You know,

1236
01:02:28,586 --> 01:02:31,066
Speaker 1: comes from a couple of parents that were, you know,

1237
01:02:31,146 --> 01:02:33,386
Speaker 1: expecting more out a young Mario in Luigi, and yet

1238
01:02:33,426 --> 01:02:36,146
Speaker 1: here they are saving the world. Loved it, My son

1239
01:02:36,266 --> 01:02:38,666
Speaker 1: loved it. It made three hundred and seventy seven million

1240
01:02:38,666 --> 01:02:42,626
Speaker 1: dollars worldwide in its first weekend. That's no surprise. And

1241
01:02:42,706 --> 01:02:44,906
Speaker 1: I think the coolest thing is and this could be,

1242
01:02:45,146 --> 01:02:47,706
Speaker 1: you know, a bad sign, but I think the Marvel thing.

1243
01:02:47,826 --> 01:02:50,626
Speaker 1: And again I might be on like Reddit in bad ways,

1244
01:02:50,626 --> 01:02:52,906
Speaker 1: but like the Marvel things seem to be petering out

1245
01:02:52,946 --> 01:02:55,306
Speaker 1: a little bit. The DC thing keeps on having to

1246
01:02:55,346 --> 01:02:59,026
Speaker 1: these upstarts. We haven't even started the Nintendo thing. And

1247
01:02:59,266 --> 01:03:01,186
Speaker 1: you know, I think everyone was burned by the original

1248
01:03:01,186 --> 01:03:03,426
Speaker 1: Mario movie, which is now becoming a cult classic. People

1249
01:03:03,426 --> 01:03:05,466
Speaker 1: are going back me. I'm like Bob Hoskins in the

1250
01:03:05,506 --> 01:03:09,466
Speaker 1: original Nintendo movie. He deserved an award. If this opens

1251
01:03:09,506 --> 01:03:11,986
Speaker 1: the door to a Zelda movie, and this opens a

1252
01:03:12,066 --> 01:03:16,066
Speaker 1: door to a Castlevania movie, if this opens the d

1253
01:03:16,826 --> 01:03:21,666
Speaker 1: to a Metroid, to Ninja guiding, you name it, I'm

1254
01:03:21,706 --> 01:03:23,946
Speaker 1: here for it. And in the previews, there was a

1255
01:03:24,026 --> 01:03:26,826
Speaker 1: Ninja Turtles preview for a movie coming out in August.

1256
01:03:26,826 --> 01:03:29,626
Speaker 1: That's a new Ninja Turtles movie. So I am just

1257
01:03:29,786 --> 01:03:32,626
Speaker 1: hitting this awesome period with my son where he can

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Speaker 1: sit through a movie. But if you tell me it's

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Speaker 1: a three hour movie, or if there's dark, you know,

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Speaker 1: plot twist with death littered throughout it, I'm not in

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Speaker 1: on it. Mario, great movie. Enjoyed it? Jack Black singing

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Speaker 1: Peaches Market Market down right now? April eleventh, Peter Schreeger saying,

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Speaker 1: Jack Black will win an Oscar for Best Song at

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Speaker 1: the Oscars next year. I know how hungry the Academy

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Speaker 1: Awards are for stars and for any sort of relevance,

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Speaker 1: and I also think it deserves it. Jack Black singing

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Speaker 1: the song Peaches, It's King, It's it's Bowser's epic nod

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Speaker 1: to the princess and his love for her. All right,

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Speaker 1: putting you on the spot here, you don't have to

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Speaker 1: answer this if you don't want. Who would be your

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Speaker 1: dream directors for a Zelda, A Metroid, a Castlevania movie? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Dream directors? Do I have to say to Daniels um No,

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Speaker 1: I would say, uh, gosh, I would love a Pta

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Speaker 1: look at Zelda the Journey, um you know for for

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Speaker 1: for Zelda with with Paul Thomas Anderson would be great. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Metroid would have to be probably like you're going Ridley

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Speaker 1: Scott style, like you gotta go go that way? And

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Speaker 1: what was the last one Castlevania Sylvania? Yeah? Any of them? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I mean obviously you can go with with Jordan Peel

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Speaker 1: for Castlevania, or you can go with Eli roth Um.

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Speaker 1: I gotta think I know he says he's retiring after

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Speaker 1: this next one, but I gotta think a Tarantino spin

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Speaker 1: on Paperboy would be a fantastic, fantastic film. I had

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Speaker 1: a group text with some friends. We actually were debating

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Speaker 1: this the other day, and my submission was a Wes

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Speaker 1: Anderson fantastic mister Fox style Yoshi's story, all cutouts and everything,

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Speaker 1: but awesome. That's the podcast. Aaron Won Kaufman, you are

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Speaker 1: the man. Jason English, you are the best from iHeart obviously,

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Speaker 1: we love all our folks at the NFL with Meredith

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Speaker 1: Batten and Matt Schneider and Jason Kleman and us getting

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Speaker 1: this thing back off the ground and up and running again.

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Speaker 1: It would took a little hiatus. That's okay, we're back.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get your draft stuff. To our guest Brendan Ally,

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Speaker 1: and to you the listeners, I'm Peter Schreeger and this

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Speaker 1: is the season. Joy. The Season with Peter Schreeger is

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