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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast Hunters Are People Too? Well,

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Speaker 1: that's an e and thing from the Chris Westling podcast studio.

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Speaker 1: What are we doing? Yeah? What are we doing at

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Speaker 1: this point with the Zummie drops? Where we at? Somebody

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Speaker 1: suggested that one sounded good. You like punt to celebrate punters?

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Speaker 1: I celebrate kickers, probably unaware of the origin of the

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Speaker 1: I'm a young lad. Okay Rich is the face of

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Speaker 1: the company, you know from the Chris Westling podcast studio,

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Speaker 1: It's around the NFL. Dan Hansis, Gregg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler,

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Speaker 1: Colle Wolf, what's up? Hey? Are people Too? But I

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Speaker 1: think the other thing that's a little jarring, uh, is

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Speaker 1: we just witnessed on Monday night, um awaking nightmare for

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Speaker 1: a place kicker Right, there was no punting drama over

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Speaker 1: the weekend, So it's like, kickers are People Too? Is

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Speaker 1: really what this is about? Yeah? I wish I had

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Speaker 1: at that drop. In essence, the opening drop didn't fit,

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Speaker 1: um the topic of the show, various topics. It was

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Speaker 1: awkward and it got us off to a weird start.

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Speaker 1: Thank you everyone involved, Welcome to everyone listening. This actually

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Speaker 1: is a show that people enjoy typically and We're gonna

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Speaker 1: try to get this thing back on track here. Yes,

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Speaker 1: how are you colling? I'm great, I'm great. I got

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Speaker 1: my club arm here. So Colin was attacked by a

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Speaker 1: and I do the same thing. As pointedly not asked

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Speaker 1: what became of Tank? I was gonna ask, like the

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Speaker 1: next The logical next step is Tank is not existing.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to know anything has been decommissioned, perhaps

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Speaker 1: for the safety of others, but also at the same time,

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Speaker 1: happy here, don't with us? Um? Yes, big show today.

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Speaker 1: You know we have a guest, Uh, the New York Giants.

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Speaker 1: They are a relevant football team in the middle of January.

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Speaker 1: Sorry about that, Greg Um. So we're gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: him some more. Pat Leonard of the New York Delly

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Speaker 1: News will join this when the chips are down. The

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Speaker 1: only one who believed in him my Giant last week

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Speaker 1: picked them to win and they didn't. I'm not picking

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Speaker 1: him this week. I think I will. That was a

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Speaker 1: short journey. Greg, Yeah, I mean might cover. I might

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Speaker 1: take him to cover, you know. All Right, so we'll

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Speaker 1: talk to Pat about the Giants and where they're out

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Speaker 1: ahead of their big showdown with the Eagles. Man, I

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Speaker 1: gotta say we kind of thread the needle on Super

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Speaker 1: wild Card weekend because um, no big upsets, but also

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Speaker 1: a stellar divisional round we got. We got weekend of matchup.

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Speaker 1: So I like that. That's saucy. There was part of

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Speaker 1: me kind of like rooting for the Dolphins to generate

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Speaker 1: City in the divisional round. But we got a good

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Speaker 1: you've just had this like huge, great meal essentially five

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Speaker 1: and the news that's been happening around the legal last

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Speaker 1: few days. In fact, why don't we dive into it.

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Speaker 1: Wild Card weekend. I'm a good boy, I'm a good

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Speaker 1: corporate boy. With the Cowboys and Bucks from Tampa. You

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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott at this point is the oldest quarterback left

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Speaker 1: It is crazy because he's gonna win before the snap

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Speaker 1: And Dak Prescott was out there like cooking pizzas back

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Speaker 1: by everyone, Like had this happened in Week one, we

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Speaker 1: So that's a different narrative, but just the way that

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Speaker 1: perfect situation from Tom Brady because he doesn't raise all

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Speaker 1: I I think the his interception, which again this speaks

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Speaker 1: they weren't doing that in year two thousands, so someone

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Speaker 1: had to go back and mark every every single game

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Speaker 1: back to e p A is just numbers, so you

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Speaker 1: can just run the numbers. I think true true media

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Speaker 1: does it. Like on Cynthia's machine. It's there's no like

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Speaker 1: PFF is grading and there's objectiveness to the you know,

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Speaker 1: subjectiveness to that. E p A is just numbers. You

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Speaker 1: just pressed the button. Sounds machine, are you by the

436
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Speaker 1: way are you? Are you unbeat by Derek Carr? I

437
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Speaker 1: never was plucked. Oh good, well until the night, never

438
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Speaker 1: even never even check checking. You guys got David Carr

439
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Speaker 1: and Lindsay Rhodes took care of that for Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: it's still back on it, though, did you check? I

441
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Speaker 1: just went to look at Derek Carr, Derek Carr, and

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Speaker 1: it said these tweets are protected. Then I realized it's

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Speaker 1: actually Derek Cark QB And now yeah, he doesn't file.

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Speaker 1: But we're safe. We're safe. And I do I do

445
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Speaker 1: know that David Carr, he's on Twitter. He likes likes

446
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Speaker 1: our tweets sometimes, so I do try to keep that

447
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Speaker 1: in mind if I'm going to fire. And he said

448
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Speaker 1: hi to me, and I said, hi, David back, I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I think he's aware of these comments that you've made

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Speaker 1: in this episode. I hope that he would understand that

451
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Speaker 1: his role is perilous. And if he's hoping that no

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Speaker 1: one ever critiques his brother, who's a pro quarterback, you

453
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Speaker 1: would hope that he understands his brother is a mezzanine

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Speaker 1: level quarterback. According to Mark Well, I don't think up

455
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Speaker 1: this week I could let him know, let him know. Please,

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Speaker 1: let's let's just keep let's keep this up. Let's take

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Speaker 1: a break and we will hit the news. All right,

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Speaker 1: welcome back. We got the final wild card game out

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Speaker 1: of the way. Here is the schedule. By the way,

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Speaker 1: Saturday Jacksonville's yeah you are? Is that Chiefs for thirty

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Speaker 1: Giants at Eagles eight fifteen on Saturday night? Sunday Bengals

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Speaker 1: at Bills three Eastern. That's great? And UH the nightcap

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Speaker 1: of Divisional round weekend, the best round of UH playoffs

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Speaker 1: in the NFL Cowboys at nine or six thirty pm Eastern.

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Speaker 1: Hawmona HAMMANA HAMMANA HAMMANA all right till you watch the

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Speaker 1: Eagles in the hotel? Are you gonna go to like

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Speaker 1: a Buffalo bar? I don't know. I haven't figured it

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Speaker 1: out yet. You're gonna go to a Buffalo bar? I think?

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Speaker 1: I don't know anyone in Buffalo. You will by the

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Speaker 1: time that night end. I'm just gonna go to I'm

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Speaker 1: just gonna post up at anchor bar. I guess, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: But are you're gonna be decked out in Philly and

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Speaker 1: say they don't mind there? There's no cross pollination, all right,

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Speaker 1: let's do some news. Oh my god, I got to

475
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Speaker 1: be kitting. I've never seen anything like it. Why are

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Speaker 1: we kicking? Why are we kicking? What is he talking about?

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Speaker 1: A buzz kill? No one's ever missed three three extra

478
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Speaker 1: points in a row. That's kind of halftime for playoff

479
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Speaker 1: game'd be a a record, as Mike Vanderjack get a test too.

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Speaker 1: That's Eli and Peyton on the Manning Cast last night.

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Speaker 1: And that was after the third mar miss Uh he

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Speaker 1: missed four, which was that he was the first. He

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Speaker 1: wasn't the first to miss three, he was the first

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Speaker 1: miss four. I'm so glad he made that. I don't understand.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how to make What do you do

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Speaker 1: with some four points? If you really want to put

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Speaker 1: it in? Like you see the kicker this weekend, Like

488
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Speaker 1: are you really going to roll into the divisional round

489
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Speaker 1: playoffs against the Niners after that happened? I don't think

490
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Speaker 1: you can. Do you bring in a brand new kicker?

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Speaker 1: Honestly think you have to. And he I put out

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Speaker 1: the Kicker power rankings last night. Postpone got it out there.

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Speaker 1: And Mark because he had a big time year, so

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Speaker 1: the game or after the game, mid game, but I

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Speaker 1: didn't know. I didn't know it was based on the

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Speaker 1: regular season on I got to say that during the

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Speaker 1: regular NFL now hit on the kicker power rankings. They're like,

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Speaker 1: all right, Dan, I hadn't seen that mar has dropped

499
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Speaker 1: eighteen spots this week. You don't even have it on

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Speaker 1: a team. I would keep him, I mean his overall

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Speaker 1: body of working. When he misses his first kick in

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Speaker 1: the first quarter. I think that, like you know, that

503
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Speaker 1: was such a wesssum that kickers mentally become so derailed,

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Speaker 1: and we've seen it with so many of them. But

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Speaker 1: you I don't know what the better option is right

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Speaker 1: now with the guy second kicker. I know nobody. It's weird.

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Speaker 1: I've talked about this before, Like for a position that's

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Speaker 1: so valuable, they never teams never leave themselves any safety net. Uh,

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Speaker 1: there's no backup. No, it's like a cornerback that tryouts,

510
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Speaker 1: like the thirty fifth best kicker available. Is it great,

511
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Speaker 1: But there's like a fifty percent chance he'll be about

512
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Speaker 1: the same as make But the yips the yips, and

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Speaker 1: it's all sports, but the kicker as really um in football. Obviously,

514
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Speaker 1: the most obvious case of yips that's where it comes from.

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Speaker 1: Like when that happens, I mean it was hard to watch,

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Speaker 1: like from a human stampoint. You felt so badly for

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Speaker 1: the guy except for Peyton Man. And Peyton doesn't care.

518
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Speaker 1: He does not care, although he cares about the game.

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Speaker 1: I flipped it in the third quarter just because the

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Speaker 1: game was so bad and they had Dan Campbell on

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Speaker 1: and and I watched that part, like the third quarter.

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Speaker 1: They're so into like they're living and dying at twenty four,

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Speaker 1: nothing about a bad play that the Bucks made, And

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Speaker 1: I'm just like, I love that. They're mean, they're getting

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Speaker 1: paid to be into the game. But yeah, but like

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Speaker 1: I don't doubt that they aren't organically if that's I

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Speaker 1: think he he just seems like hurt when like a

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Speaker 1: safety makes a big mistake or a quarterback makes a

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Speaker 1: big in a way that like most announcers are not

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Speaker 1: that into the game, not that in So would you

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Speaker 1: cut him? Would you cut I would? I would have to.

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Speaker 1: I mean they know him as well. I would think

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Speaker 1: you would have to take a look at him in

534
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Speaker 1: practice and see what happens. But it's either way it

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Speaker 1: is team put him on like the inactive list and

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Speaker 1: sign another kicker that you can of without letting him

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Speaker 1: know that this has been done behind the scenes. It's

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Speaker 1: a huge roll of the dice either way. I mean,

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Speaker 1: everything kind of is on the back burner. Jason Peters

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Speaker 1: also got hurt in that game, which is causing their

541
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Speaker 1: line to be shuffled again. But I think that is

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Speaker 1: the biggest thing that's hanging over this team. Uh. And

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Speaker 1: it's a shame because everything else was beautiful for Dallas

544
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Speaker 1: in that game. You love it. By the way, Eli

545
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Speaker 1: said during the Manning cast that he promised and he

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Speaker 1: vowed to himself that he would never go back to

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Speaker 1: the terrible city of Philadelphia his words, I'm paraphrasing um

548
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Speaker 1: after he retired from football, but he said he will

549
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Speaker 1: be going to the play off game and he's expecting

550
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Speaker 1: a record amount of double birds. Reception is going to

551
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: be great for him. I can't wait, alright. The reception

552
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 1: for Sean Payton is saucy across the football landscape. The

553
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: former Saints coach um is hot and in demand. Peyton

554
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 1: was on the Herd with Colin cow herd Uh Did

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Speaker 1: I say that right? And he was setting to meet Wait,

556
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Speaker 1: what is it? Colin Coward like cowards. I don't they

557
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: put you on that path by calling up the Herd.

558
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: They absolutely do, but I don't know it's Colin Coward.

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Speaker 1: Basically what I do a take two the Herd with

560
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Speaker 1: Colin cow Herd? Did I get it that? That's fine?

561
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: That anyway. Peyton was said he was going to meet

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Speaker 1: with the Texans, the Broncos, the Panthers ESPN's Adam Schefter,

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Speaker 1: so the Broncos interview will take place Tuesday in l A.

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Speaker 1: The Panthers meeting is set for Ridea and Greggy Um.

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Speaker 1: They completed an interview with Peyton on Monday, and he added, Peyton,

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Speaker 1: I don't he's very open about this in the public

567
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: that he absolutely would take the Texans job. I appreciated

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Speaker 1: like him being on and the fact that this is

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Speaker 1: an unprecedented story, but I don't love the idea and

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Speaker 1: I've seen this that like, oh, he's being so honest

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Speaker 1: like and so open and transparent. It's like, no, everything

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00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: he's saying is incredibly calculated and a lot of it

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Speaker 1: is holding the Saints over a barrel, like he is

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Speaker 1: essentially doing these interviews to send messages to the teams

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Speaker 1: he's talking to, including the Texans um. He mentioned David

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Speaker 1: Tepper by name multiple time and really sounded pretty intrigued

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Speaker 1: by by the Panthers. Like if you just listen to that,

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Speaker 1: you would think he liked the Panther's job the best.

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Speaker 1: But I also think that might be related to like

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00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: driving the price up because they're the division rival of

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Speaker 1: the Saints. But he also threw out the draft compensation,

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Speaker 1: which is like boxing Mickey Loomis into a corner. And

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00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: then he's also saying, uh that, hey, the price is

584
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Speaker 1: going to go down a lot next year if I

585
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: don't pick a team this year in terms of draft compensation.

586
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: So that's something you gotta keeps an analyst now as well.

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00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: So he's what he's doing is Saint Mickey, don't f

588
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Speaker 1: me here. And this is a guy that was supposed

589
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Speaker 1: to be like a friend of his and the Saints,

590
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Speaker 1: and I think it's all fascinating. I'm not saying anyone's

591
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: like right or wrong, but it's it's certainly on precedented,

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Speaker 1: and I really thought it was funny him talking about

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Speaker 1: the a f C South and like that he likes

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Speaker 1: the Texans job. I think in part because Bill Bill

595
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Speaker 1: Barselves used to like Yeah, you take the team at

596
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Speaker 1: the bottom and then you're the hero when they go up,

597
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: and I can be the boss here in Houston. I

598
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: think he also looks at the FC South and he

599
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: thinks it's trash. They're in a division that you can

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Speaker 1: at least look at and say, all right, Indie, Tennessee

601
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: Jacksonville is nothing, but you can I think you can

602
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: actually coming out of his ears two or three wins

603
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: that they had this year, the Gears are turning like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I need to pivot out of this point that I

605
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: was making that the whole division sucks. He stalled out

606
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: twice on that drive. That's good, you know, Greg, I

607
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: I see and you love this stuff. Um, it's all

608
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: the game within the game. I mean this, he's playing

609
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: the game. He is the I don't play chess, but

610
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: let's say whatever. He's like the kingmaker here. He gets

611
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: the opportunity to dictate how this plays out. The Saints

612
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: they have to be passive and see how it plays

613
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Speaker 1: out themselves. But it's Peyton, because of his standing in

614
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: the league, that is going to be able to dictate

615
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: how how this goes. And you know he's he's playing

616
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: the game and he knows how to play it. He's

617
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: a savvy guy. He's not gonna go somewhere. I don't

618
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Speaker 1: think that doesn't have a set quarterback situation capital well,

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Speaker 1: all three of these don't. Yeah, I think he keep

620
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: saying the quarterback doesn't matter, it's about ownership and the structure,

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Speaker 1: that we didn't have a quarterback when they got to

622
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Speaker 1: New Orleans. He did talk about like the fact that

623
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Speaker 1: the Saints and Texans had multiple years where they practiced

624
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: in the preseason against each other and scrimmage, and he

625
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: he went out of his way to like compliment like

626
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: the the cal McNair family, like in Houston, which surprised

627
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: me because I think of that as one of the

628
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: lower tiered ownerships situations out there. But in terms of

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Speaker 1: getting the quarterback, in terms of having a ton of

630
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: draft picks for years to come and a roster that

631
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: has some good young players on it as well, Like

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Speaker 1: I kind of think the Texans make more sense than

633
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: anyone else. Chasing the Broncos make zero sense to me

634
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: on any level. You're you're saddled with a quarterback who

635
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: maybe can't play anymore. I mean, everything we saw this

636
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: year says is that Carolina. What I guess David Tepper

637
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: like completely one over Matt Rule and those two mind

638
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: melded when they met and then it went apart. And

639
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: like David Tepper has not been able to get the

640
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: quarterback he wants. Veteran Wise year after year, I don't

641
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: they have no they have where where's their quarterback coming from?

642
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: Cant they keep hearing uh in Sean Payton said, so

643
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: that they'll get like a mid to late round draft picks,

644
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: so it wouldn't be like the number two overall picks.

645
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: So you got you go to the Texans. You can

646
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: take a quarterback number too. In a way, you go.

647
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: I think you're completely set in Houston. In other Seawan news,

648
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh he ain't ready to leave the sidelines. In

649
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, NFL networking centers Ian Rapport and Mike Carefull

650
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: reported on Friday the McVeigh intends to return as the

651
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: Rams coach after taking a few days to consider his future. Uh.

652
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: The team then announced the news mcveigh's figuring out his

653
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: coaching staff, but after a five and twelve season where

654
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: it looked very much like he was headed out the door,

655
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: mark he instead is coming on back. Yeah. I again,

656
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: I don't know why we needed to have all the

657
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: reporting and the drama around it. I mean, it's just

658
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: how this thing works at this point. Uh. I always

659
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: thought Sean mcmaybe was not into the concept of a

660
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: RAMS team that was flatlining and needing to rebuild, and

661
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: I thought maybe Matthew Stafford would have a similar viewpoint.

662
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: They're both coming back, but there's a lot of work

663
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: you need to do on the Rams. I think it

664
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: starts with a Bengals esque offseason rebuilding of your line

665
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: because what's fixed there, what's different? I mean, they're they're

666
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: they're top heavy, you have no draft picks. I think

667
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: the future is bleak if you don't find a way

668
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: to continue to trade for players and mortgage the future

669
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: even further down the road. Just like what happened in

670
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: those couple of days, because he talked to the media

671
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: on Monday, you said you don't like the process. But

672
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: it only is happening because Jehan McVeigh is talking about it.

673
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: So why is he Why does he need to tell

674
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: us all this? But when he did, but then they

675
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: were like, Okay, he's gonna go away for two weeks.

676
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 1: The next two weeks are crucial. He spoke on Monday,

677
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: sounded very tired by Wednesday. We heard it's coming by

678
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: the end of the week, and it happened on Thursday.

679
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: So it's like, it's not like he got away. He

680
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: probably just didn't want to hear about it anymore. He

681
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: already knew his answer, so he wanted to like shut

682
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: everyone up about it. I guess. But he's the only

683
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: reason we're talking about it. We don't talk about this

684
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: with any other coach. It's because he's he. I think

685
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: he's an open guy with a lot of people, and

686
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: he just was expressing, uh, ambivalence. I always thought like

687
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: the story and some of the reporting around the story

688
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 1: was always a little bit weird. That's like, uh. And

689
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: I took some fire on this, uh in social media,

690
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: like when I mentioned that he mentioned the war in

691
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: Ukraine and his wife. Obviously that's a way more serious

692
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: situation than anything that's going on in the NFL. And

693
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: I just was a little bit drawn taken aback by

694
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: that being involved and mentioned with the other very normal

695
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 1: football things that he was facing at that time. UM,

696
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: and I wondered, I wondered the idea the sincerity of

697
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: the entire UH plot line that was unfurling, whether this

698
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: was something he was really struggling with or whether he

699
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: was looking for a way out. The fact that he's

700
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: coming back UH tells me. It makes me think, Okay,

701
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: I think maybe he this is a more sincere thing

702
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: and he was something he struggled with and now and

703
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: now he's back. So that's kind of my thoughts on

704
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: it and where I where I've been coming to the

705
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 1: story in general. The fact that ends up right back

706
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: where he was surprises manage. I almost think he's so

707
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: open and honest, and the fact that he hasn't been

708
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: in this situation before while he's been coaching, just on

709
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: a team that has struggled this much. He's probably being

710
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: a totally different line of questioning at this point too.

711
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: So it's just kind of uncharted territory for him and

712
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: probably an area that he's learned from maybe to not

713
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: be as open he was, but he's being open, like

714
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: off the record, it's a good It's an interesting like

715
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: capital JA journal question is like when the primary source

716
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: is not always like a reliable source, like I believe

717
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: everything that happened the whole time, that he that all

718
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: this was happening in his head because he didn't know.

719
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: He's just like going through all this and he's speaking

720
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: about it openly. Told someone like Sean Payton, for instance,

721
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: it's very calculate. I don't think he's being honest. So

722
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,720
Speaker 1: it's like which which you want? Part of the story

723
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: that was like, hey, hey, coaching staff, like go look

724
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: for other jobs. It's cool, and then like two days

725
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: later he's back. The thing is, there could be seven coaches.

726
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 1: There could be seven coaches going through the same taxing

727
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,720
Speaker 1: end of year process where the losing and the time

728
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: and you're probably separated from your family so much it's unhealthy.

729
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: Like I did this one article at one time. But

730
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: the coaches that go away for a year and like

731
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: it long for it was a long form bringing back.

732
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: Just just go read that one. How about that? But

733
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: all their health across the board completely changes, like they

734
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 1: still are with team doctors, like everything about their physical

735
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 1: physical body improves. Like they go away and they watched

736
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: football from a global bird's eye view and like Mike

737
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: McCarthy went through that you know, epiphany or whatever it was,

738
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 1: which I didn't buy at the time. But Mike McCarthy

739
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: the one again today is wearing that the PFF subscription

740
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: or whatever. I don't know, it's Tom Pellicero. Long former

741
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: should be built in sabbatical for everyone that works at

742
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: the NFL. Yes, what I'm getting to? All right, this

743
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: maybe this is the nexcess of long form. Uh, here's

744
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: a theory. I'll just throw it out here. I just

745
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 1: thought of it. McVeigh is younger. Uh, he's in Colleen's

746
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: age bracket, firmly in the millennial. Maybe the millennials. You

747
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: know that that's part of like you at your feelings.

748
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: You definitely are. Then Bill Parcels was thirty years ago

749
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 1: where you don't share anything about your inner thought process.

750
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: You just you know, disappear from one job, reappear a

751
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: couple of years later. I think it was unhealthy. Yeah,

752
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: and then get like trash Talk by Mike west Off

753
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: when you joined the Around the NFL podcast, A generation

754
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: of now on that front, or do you have any

755
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: other big millennial takes you want to share? Um, you

756
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: know what, I'll let you prepare for that. That's gonna

757
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: be an offseason show. Connie the Millennial I also had

758
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 1: and I wrote this down. I forgot to mention picture

759
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 1: it on a like a cloth napkin like a fancy restaurant,

760
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: or then in red lipstick like scrawled pigskin gossip with

761
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler. I mean, I would adore that segment. I

762
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: don't know where the lipsticks coming from. It on a

763
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: cocktail napkin, that's it, next to a cocksticks shop. Because

764
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: you mentioned gossip later. Usually it's more like reports, and

765
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 1: you went gossip and I thought, oh, they or something.

766
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 1: There was some shadow that I heard. Yeah, okay. Um.

767
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: In other news, another sean in the coach of ranks

768
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: know his name is Jim Jim Harbaugh to remain as

769
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: head coach of the University of Michigan. Uh. Two weeks

770
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: ago he said he expected to remain with the Wolverines,

771
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: and now he's well, this is good. Yeah, just another

772
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: version of this tedious you know. But I get that

773
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: they had to have a big announcement that like said,

774
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: he's staying, which is basically an announcement that like everything

775
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,720
Speaker 1: he had been saying the last week or two actually

776
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: was meaningless and lies, but this time it is for real. Yeah.

777
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: Eric at Holm does really good stuff for us. He's

778
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: the lead draft writer for NFL dot Com. Wrote the

779
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: article on it and Uh in the lead, he says

780
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: that he's stuck to his word. Harbaugh did, even with

781
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: a few NFL franchise expressing interest and prying him away.

782
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: That wasn't kind of the reporting that we heard at

783
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: a Charlotte with the Panthers, where it was almost a

784
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: courtesy interview we got. However, the fifty nine year old

785
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: was believed to be one of the Broncos prime anidates

786
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: for their head coaching job. Um. He also has tied

787
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: he had ties to other jobs, including the Cults. But

788
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: in the end, don't you get the feeling Greggy And

789
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: I think you do, because I think you already made

790
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: comments about it that if a team really wanted hardball,

791
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: he would be back back. As he just didn't get

792
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: a job. He was one of the people in the

793
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: mix for the Broncos job. He couldn't close it quickly

794
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 1: or anything. I don't think they were giving him any

795
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: signs that he was like going to get that job.

796
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 1: They said we're gonna have a process for another couple

797
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: of weeks and like so he tried to get a job.

798
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: No one gave him a job out Sean Paynton, No.

799
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 1: I wonder how he interviews because he he I thought

800
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: he like. I liked covering him back in the day

801
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: because he's one of the more bizarre guys on the

802
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: up on the podium you'll find, and like these coaching

803
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: interviews which we never are privy to, like maybe if

804
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: he's already got this great, high paying job, that they

805
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: want him around for the next decade plus, like do

806
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: you do you ultra prep for that? He just roll

807
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: in same like I'm Jim Harbaugh and that might not

808
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: be enough. It's been a while, that's been a while

809
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: since he's been in an NFL coach now. The one

810
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: thing I thought that was kind of interesting about the

811
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: statement that was released, it was the Michigan president that

812
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: put it out, saying that Jim shared with me the

813
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: great news that he's going to remain as the head

814
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: coach of the Wolverines. Blah blah blah. This is fantastic

815
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: news that I have communicated to our athletic director, m

816
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 1: Ward Manual. Yes, And there are a lot of people

817
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: who are like, well, wait a second, why are you

818
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: breaking the news. Why are you telling the athletic director.

819
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: Shouldn't the athletic director be in the mix this? So

820
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: I don't know around the Big ten. In other news,

821
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: offensive coordinators out the Door, Chargers have fired Joe Lombardi.

822
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: Lombardi um, listen, heads are gonna roll. When you blow

823
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: twenty seven nothing lead in a playoff game, heads are

824
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: gonna roll. And I think Jim Trotter nailed it in

825
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,959
Speaker 1: his speculation reporting on Twitter a couple of days ago

826
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: everything about this franchise and pointed to them keeping Brandon Staley,

827
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: who's under contract for multiple years, and bring him back

828
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 1: after a ten win season. But somebody's got to go.

829
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: So it is the offensive coordinator and the same thing happened,

830
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: and we haven't hit this whole. I'll connect these two stories. Uh,

831
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: the Jets collapsed down the stretch. Ownership didn't want to

832
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: make a change at head coach, but somebody's gotta go.

833
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: Someone's gotta pay for it. So Mike Laflour, their offensive coordinator,

834
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: gets fired, so to O c s at the out

835
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: the Door and both of those a f C teams

836
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: looking for one. I see them as different situations because

837
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: I think there's connective tissue with Joe Lombardi de emphasizing

838
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: the magic of Justin Herbert all season long and parts

839
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: of it's like that this is this wasn't just about

840
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: this one game. Yet you're right that you've got to

841
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: find a scapegoat for what happened, and they did. Mike

842
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: Laflour got saddled with a totally failed draft pick, Joe

843
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: Flacco and verre in hot and cold Mike White. It's

844
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: like it's a it's a tougher situation. I'd like to

845
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: see like we do this with quarterbacks and coach, give

846
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: me Mike Lafloor with Justin Herbert, and I think you're

847
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 1: geting a different offensive coordinated the Herbert heads. Uh would

848
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: be excited. I'd be excited. Did they have a stat

849
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: on PFF called perfectly covered plays where basically every player

850
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: in coverage you know does doesn't make a mistake. And

851
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: the Bucks and the Chargers of all the playoff teams

852
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: this weekend almost doubled every other offense out there, which

853
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: tracks when when you watch it, when you watch this

854
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: Charger's offense, they could also use someone that like doesn't

855
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: you know run of five oh forty, Like that is

856
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: the slowest group of receivers when Mike Williams is not

857
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: on the field, And even Mike Williams is like a

858
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: burner Justin Herbert. It's just this the second season for him.

859
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: I was listening to your the last show that you

860
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,439
Speaker 1: guys had, what was that was at the recap show,

861
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: and you were talking about Herbert Hive and about Justin Herbert.

862
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 1: If you're going to take one of those two quarterbacks

863
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: that were on the field to to move on um with,

864
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: you would have taken Trevor Lawrence because he just looked

865
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: like a more dominant player, more dominant quarterback. And I

866
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: feel like we've speen We've seen Justin Herbert take like

867
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: a step back. Numbers regressed as well this season. So

868
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: if Brandon Staley's not going to go, then obviously the

869
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator has to. Yeah, and uh, I'm kind of

870
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 1: with you guys on the fleur with the Jets. Maybe

871
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 1: you give him Derek Carr or Lamar Jackson and give

872
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: him another chance. But I think not that the Washington

873
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: Post had it right about the head coach, but I

874
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: think Woody Johnson, their owner, was like was putting his

875
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: beak in a little bit and was like, Hey, something's

876
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 1: got to change here, and and Salad made the decision,

877
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 1: I'm not going to walk the plank, so Mike does

878
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: my But the way Solid talked it sounded like he

879
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: didn't make a decision, which is another sign of a

880
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: dysfunctional organization, Like you stop trying to stop trying to

881
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 1: spin it spinning, like you obviously aren't happy with how

882
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: like the Jets ownership has handled things like let Sala

883
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 1: be ahead. I'm just saying you. I think I think

884
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 1: maybe it's subconscious you want the Jets to be dysfunctional.

885
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think it's a dysfunctional organization

886
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: right now. I think the owner making a coach fire

887
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 1: a guy based on yeah, based on Sala's comments, and

888
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: wanted to just like you wanted him to fire the

889
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 1: head coach. Do you think and the people covering the

890
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: Jets are all saying the exact same thing. Do you

891
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: not think though, that probably Brandon Staley was put into

892
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: the same position. These coaches are loyal to their assistance

893
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: and maybe by to me was gonna be fired. I

894
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: think barring like a Super Bowl, I think that was

895
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: an appropriate move on situation. I just not sure that

896
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: Stanley came up with the kinds not defending Woody Johnson

897
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: and I for at all, but let's not act like ownership.

898
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: They own the team. Um there. I think there are

899
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: a lot of teams successful ones too where they have

900
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: a voice. I mean, look at Robert Kraft. It doesn't

901
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: mean it's necessarily uh dysfunctional. Let's see what happens. I

902
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: just I'm trusting Robert Sala's judgment. Oh you had a

903
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: conversation with him else? Wow? Wow, I just sit back

904
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: and listening. This happens. This mad since I said that,

905
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 1: like hiring Amster mcagnet or whatever was like this function

906
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:23,280
Speaker 1: you could see bounce right off. Cardinals hired Titans executive

907
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: Monty Austin Fort as general manager. I think the most

908
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: notable notable thing about him is he looks like a

909
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: cross between Steve Kim and Nick Shook. Alright, dial in

910
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: on this. Anybody else have any other young young look.

911
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: You can even see the head shot Shook with Austin

912
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: Fort in the end of a long time when Kim

913
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: was hired. So he's basically a replacement another freaking Patriots

914
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 1: you know, offshoot, who was in Tennessee for a long

915
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 1: time and that's where he kind of made his name.

916
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: More but all he talked about was Kraft and Belichick,

917
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: and it makes you think about Brian Flores maybe as

918
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: a potential candidate. Marks Udy, I just wanted to comment enough.

919
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: You guys saw this. It just happened pretty recently. One

920
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: of his first comments in the press conference was, ego

921
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 1: will not be tolerated in this organization? Is that Kyler

922
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: Murray subtweet? Or what is going on there? You go? Organization? Organization?

923
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: What's the other way? What's Canada like? Organization? An organization?

924
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: An organization? Your organization? To me sounds like I'm organizing

925
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 1: my death. So what is the team based out of Jacksonville?

926
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: The Jaguars, jag Wires. I don't get that for a

927
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: little bit. I think maybe Yessica's accent is having some influence.

928
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: Is it a Yessica situation? Uh no, I would never

929
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: blame her for anything. Hey, is Yessica going to join

930
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: us at the live show from the Bourbon Room tomorrow

931
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: night Wednesday in Hollywood? Will be there? Yes? You will? Yeah?

932
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 1: I thought that that'll be fun. That's good for you.

933
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: I feel uncomfortable. What makes you feel uncomfortable? I don't know.

934
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: The Browns Cecy, The Browns are high. Jim Schwartz is

935
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: their new defensive coordinator. Jimmy Schwartz Uh, the former Detroit

936
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: Lions head coach who has also won a ring with

937
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: Connie's Philadelphia Eagles as DC. He's been successful in his

938
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: career and now he replaces Joe Woods the embattled Jo words.

939
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: I think it's a great higher nice. The one thing

940
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: that kind of would concern me is that you're hiring

941
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: someone that might be seen more of a head coach

942
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: than your actual head coach and things go off the

943
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: rails early next season. Got him, Well, it's nice to

944
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: connect the current Browns with Mark's favorite iteration of maybe

945
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: not favorite, the Bill Belichick Browns and Jim Schwartz. Yeah,

946
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: he was should wide nine talk Cleveland. How about a

947
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: little uh Belichick letters the Mark Seessler loans. Again, it's

948
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 1: already been written. You can go. You can go read

949
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 1: that if it's still available on our website. Is it

950
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: still available on our website? That would be at the

951
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 1: question you an ideas man about the Schwartz letters letters.

952
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 1: Shorty year old man writes letters to a fifty six

953
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: year old football coach. I think that's a little strange. Uh,

954
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 1: And that, by the way, but he would not write

955
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: me back, and if the email wouldn't be, it wouldn't

956
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 1: have hapen to be a whole different thing would be

957
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: texting to each other. And the weird thing about that story,

958
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: you know, the weird thing about that segment would be

959
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: in that show on our network we're launching. That's also

960
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: a lipstick on a cocktail map. Yet well, you know

961
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: there's lots of partiny glass. It's just taken away to reveal,

962
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: all right. And finally the beacon of functional functionality, the

963
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: New England Patriots. They're looking for an offensive coordinator. Bill O'Brien,

964
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: old Billy, oh b the top target. You like that,

965
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 1: I would like that. I thought it was interesting they

966
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 1: like released the statements saying we're trying to keep Gerard Mayo,

967
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: We're going to have interviews for offensive coordinators. It was

968
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: a level of transparency and a sign that like Craft

969
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: is trying to do some public outreach after noticing some

970
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: of those empty seats at the end of this, you know,

971
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick the only coach he ever hired that he

972
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: hadn't worked with before. Because this is Bill O'Brien just

973
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 1: playing the hits. If you bring back Bill O'Brien, but

974
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what's gonna Greg Siana was the only

975
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: one and he didn't even make it. Literally fell out

976
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: of my chair. Did not get a lot of sleep

977
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:23,760
Speaker 1: less night. The voices in an outer Yeah, the rain stopped.

978
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: It's like it was nice when it was raining and

979
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: l was barking NonStop at can hear that? Interesting? There

980
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: you go, that's what's happening in the news. All right,

981
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: we'll be right back, and then Pat Leonard of the

982
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:46,479
Speaker 1: Daily News talk to do right back during the week,

983
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 1: nobody tells it like the Daily News, odd drive past, paste,

984
00:50:52,400 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: prou news you need, but Sunday it's city Lights, TV

985
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: week two magazines, comics and coupons, gossip and sports. What

986
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: you need? What you want? That Daily News? Ah, Yes,

987
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: the New York Daily News, New York's hometown paper and

988
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 1: now joining us from the Daily News. It is a

989
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: man who has covered the New York Giants for seven

990
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,399
Speaker 1: years now, and it probably hasn't always been the most

991
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: glorious gig, but it doesn't feel uh that way anymore.

992
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: It is Pat Leonard. Uh, Pat, Welcome to around the

993
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 1: NFL and welcome to relevant January football in the New

994
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: York Giants, Dan, thank you, thank you fellas for having

995
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: me on. It's been a while, as you know, and uh,

996
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: it's fun to watch competent, winning football and roster construction. Frankly,

997
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 1: even on the back end, you're looking at them and

998
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,240
Speaker 1: you're like, wow, not only is this a real NFL

999
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 1: team again, but they might be able to build something

1000
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: sustainable down the road. Yeah, we were talking before we

1001
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: went on live here that you know in the A

1002
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: T N Era, which um, we're naval gazers by our nature.

1003
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: Um we started in two thousand thirteen. Other than like

1004
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: some endless Eli Manning, Uh is he good? Is he bad?

1005
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: Will he retire? Will he get benched? Conversation? The Giants

1006
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: have kind of been on the back burner, and as

1007
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: fans are annoyed as well. I'm a Jets fans. There's

1008
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 1: always plenty of Jets talk, maybe not as much Giants talk.

1009
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: So here we are now and after that big win,

1010
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: um this weekend against the Vikings, you know it's gonna

1011
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: be really interesting, isn't it pat to see how they

1012
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 1: react now against an Eagles team. The last time we

1013
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: saw them week fifteen. We don't really count the week

1014
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 1: eighteen game. Come on, it was forty two with Jalen

1015
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 1: Hurts as you wrote in your column, uh this week,

1016
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: staying into that game late into the game. Did that

1017
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: rub the Giants the wrong way? The way the Eagles

1018
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: handled that game at the at MetLife? Yeah they notice?

1019
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: Did they hate the Eagles? And I know, I know

1020
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 1: that rivalries are a well known thing when we talk

1021
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: about the NFL and division matchups, but this one's nasty.

1022
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 1: And the Eagles have gotten the better of the Giants

1023
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: in every which way, Like when the Giants beat the

1024
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: Eagles finally, like they've lost eleven of the last thirteen

1025
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: in this series. They haven't won that Lincoln Financial Field

1026
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: since two thousand thirteen. I think five field goals from

1027
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: Josh Brown that day, by the way, and um, yeah exactly,

1028
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: and when they beat them with Joe Judge as head coach,

1029
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: I mean the amount of not vitriol but emotion behind

1030
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,720
Speaker 1: the scenes, just finally getting the Eagles back, but obviously

1031
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: hasn't been enough. The Eagles have won a Super Bowl

1032
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: more recently than the Giants, even though they have four

1033
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: um and they have just owned this head to head series.

1034
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 1: They pants the Giants front off as a couple of

1035
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 1: years ago in the draft, trading over them to draft

1036
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: Vante Smith, who the Giants were eyeing eyeing there in

1037
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: that draft. Obviously they end up trading back and a

1038
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:00,040
Speaker 1: cat Darius Tony, and a first rounder that becomes Evan Knee. Know,

1039
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: we'll see where that goes. But just you know, then

1040
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: you have the Nate Sudfelt coming in and keeping the

1041
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: Giants out of the playoffs. So there is so much

1042
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: on the Giants minds going into this game. From an

1043
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:15,760
Speaker 1: organizational standpoint, from an ownership standpoint, from a front office standpoint.

1044
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: The players are gonna play the game. But when you

1045
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: look at that blow out and the fact that Hurts

1046
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: played so deep into it and they were throwing the

1047
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:27,760
Speaker 1: ball late, running big plays and gashing the Giants defense,

1048
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 1: yeah they noticed and they'll remember it. I just wonder

1049
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: how they match up physically with them, because like, yeah,

1050
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: you're you're upset that the Eagles are pouring it on,

1051
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: but it's because they got bullied and that that felt

1052
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 1: like a bit of a turning point. The Eagle season

1053
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:46,720
Speaker 1: wasn't quite as pristina after that, and certainly I've come around.

1054
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: I thought the Giants were very lucky for most of

1055
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:52,720
Speaker 1: the season, and I think they've played their best football

1056
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 1: the last three or four weeks. But how do you like,

1057
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,479
Speaker 1: how do you just think they match up physically? Because

1058
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: I look at that's where the Eagles to me, separate

1059
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,839
Speaker 1: themselves up front on the offensive light and the defensively. No, Greg,

1060
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: I think you're you're absolutely right. Um. You look at

1061
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: the Vikings, right. Kevin O'Connell did a lot of good

1062
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: things as a coach, but one thing he did to

1063
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: play into the Giants hands was he didn't run the

1064
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: ball on third and fourth and short. Kept spreading it

1065
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: five wide, and that plays into Wink Martindale's hands. He

1066
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: can scheme up pressures. The Giants were giving up four,

1067
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,720
Speaker 1: eight eleven seven yards rushing to Cook on these carries.

1068
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,439
Speaker 1: You look at the Philadelphia Eagles. If the Giants don't

1069
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: stop the run, guess what the the Eagles are gonna do.

1070
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: They're gonna keep running the ball and knock them back

1071
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: and they're not gonna stop. You know, Jalen Hurts, Miles Sanders,

1072
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: Boston Scott, the Giants killer. That matchup for the Giants,

1073
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: um is not in their favor. And I will say

1074
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: this too after that game. I've been covering this team.

1075
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: This is my seventh season. They've been bad for a while,

1076
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: But I have never heard a Giants team admit so

1077
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: readily and honestly after a game that they were clearly

1078
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 1: inferior to their opponent. Then after that game, and it

1079
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: was so strange to me at the time because even

1080
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: though they were just being honest and then they were correct,

1081
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: You're you're looking at the standings and you're saying they

1082
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: could meet that they're meeting them again in week A

1083
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: team they can meet them in the playoffs. And here's

1084
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,399
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones saying flat out, this was proved that we're

1085
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 1: not where we need to be yet. So can the

1086
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 1: Giants finally and suddenly get to where they need to

1087
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: be to beat that same Eagles team that just demolished

1088
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: them and met Life Stadium in a month. I mean,

1089
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 1: it's there's a reason this game is a seven point spread,

1090
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:31,359
Speaker 1: even though the Giants obviously put a lot of good

1091
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 1: football in the field of Minnesota. You know, like Dan

1092
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: and I grew up right around Giants Country watching the Giants,

1093
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: and and I mean we go back to like the

1094
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: Bill Parcels days where Giants Eagles was a legitimate rivalry,

1095
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 1: and you know how it is when a team um

1096
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: stinks up the joint for a decade plus, these rivalries,

1097
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 1: um you can call them that, but they melt away.

1098
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 1: And I would just ask this because I think this

1099
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: is such a huge moment for Danny Dimes, Like if

1100
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: he like what we saw in the last game, and

1101
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: where is the way developed if he were ever to

1102
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: go an outduel Jalen Hurts and the Eagles, Suddenly everything

1103
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: we think about him and everything that we think and

1104
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 1: thought about the Giants completely transforms. And I just wonder

1105
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: is like, has this Daniel Jones do you think in

1106
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: the last couple of seasons been there all along? It's

1107
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 1: just that Brian day Ball came in. And you know,

1108
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: I don't know what a quarterback whisper really is. We

1109
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: throw that term around, but is this a Brian day

1110
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 1: Ball effect? Or is Daniel Jones finally surrounded by healthy players?

1111
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: He himself is healthy, But I see a different player

1112
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: in the last couple of months then in years past

1113
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: to completely transform quarterback. Yeah, well said, I do think

1114
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: it's both. I think the coaching is the biggest change,

1115
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: and certainly I know for a fact that previous staffs,

1116
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: or particularly when Jason Garrett was the Ovens of coordinator.

1117
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: You know, the Giants were coming off really the main

1118
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 1: goal was to stop turning the ball over for Daniel Jones,

1119
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: and so combined with what Garrett already has known for offensively,

1120
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: there was a huge focus on protecting Daniel from himself.

1121
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: And so if you're doing that with a quarterback, you're

1122
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: never going to fully unleash him. And also, whether you're

1123
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: doing it overtly or not, it's going to seep in

1124
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: that you don't have full confidence in his decision making

1125
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: and his ability to push the ball down the field.

1126
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: So I think chicken in the egg there with some

1127
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: of those things, but it kind of breeded a lot

1128
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: of um, you know. Either even if he was not

1129
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: turning the ball over in games they were low scoring

1130
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: and there was a low margin for error. I will

1131
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: say this, Dable and Mike Kafka and Joe Shane when

1132
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: they came in, they didn't profess a ton of confidence

1133
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: in Daniel Jones coming in, and so even from the

1134
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: inside they put pressure I felt on him to kind

1135
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: of show them. And at the start of the year,

1136
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: if you look at tape of their first couple of

1137
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: games and tape of their recent games. This has been

1138
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: an evolution of him earning their trust. And so the

1139
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 1: other side of it is Daniel's dual threat skills have

1140
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: been there. We know that he can run, but as

1141
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: he made the plays and protected the ball while making

1142
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: them early in the year in targeted spots, Dable and

1143
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: Kafka slowly pushed a little bit more onto his played,

1144
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: a little bit more onto his plate to the point

1145
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: where you're watching games like that Colts blowout where Daniel's

1146
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: running ability is the center point of the offense, or

1147
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 1: in Minnesota where it's his running and it's his arm.

1148
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: And let's just face it, guys, forever now, especially since

1149
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 1: they drafted Barkley, they have been a team that we

1150
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: need to run the ball with se Kwan and supplement

1151
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 1: it with Daniel. But you watch these last two games

1152
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: Jones has played against the Colts and the Vikings, and

1153
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: this is now a quarterback centric offense that has se

1154
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: Kwon Barkley. And that's something I'll be writing about this weekend,

1155
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: talking to Brian Dable about is to be the maximum

1156
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: best offense you can in the NFL, your quarterback has

1157
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 1: to be your best player. And I think what we've

1158
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: seen recently is the coaching has brought out the best

1159
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 1: in what was already there with Jones to the point

1160
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: where he is now that And you know, the proof

1161
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: was right there in the transaction wire with the Giants

1162
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 1: entering this season when they declined to pick up the

1163
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 1: fifth year option on Jones's contract, And now he's obviously

1164
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: taken this big step forward. I'm curious, like what your

1165
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 1: vibe is around the team, Um, Like, how much in

1166
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: your mind is riding on what occurs on Saturday night

1167
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 1: or perhaps beyond, uh for Daniel Jones? Or do you

1168
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: think this is a situation now where this team is

1169
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 1: going to roll forward and and give him a contract

1170
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: and to make him their guy going forward? Do you

1171
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 1: think he's already now shown enough where they're locked in

1172
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: on Jones for as a long term answer there? I do?

1173
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: I think uh. I mean, he definitely, even let's say

1174
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: a month or two prior, already had earned that he

1175
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 1: was going to be their quarterback next year. But of

1176
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 1: course that could have been franchise tag, transition tag, and

1177
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 1: even entering the playoffs, I think it was still trending

1178
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 1: towards and it still could be a situation where they

1179
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 1: start with a tag on Jones to protect the asset,

1180
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: and then they go from there based on how the

1181
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: negotiations go, while probably trying to sign Barkley to a

1182
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 1: sensible multi year deal. But I thought that game in

1183
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: Minnesota was a flash point. And I'll just tell you this.

1184
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys know this, but Joe Shane, he

1185
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 1: comes in and he's got a much more unemotional vantage

1186
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 1: point and removed sense of evaluation for a guy like

1187
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:20,919
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones compared to Dave Gettleman who was here before

1188
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 1: and drafted him and this and that. So if it

1189
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 1: were just Shane making the decision, it might be still

1190
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 1: more calculated, cut and dry. Giants ownership was already in

1191
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 1: love with Daniel. I mean the way that they were

1192
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 1: pounding their chests and shouting from the rooftops after this

1193
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: Vikings game about Daniel about their organization being turned around.

1194
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 1: Even if you even if you removed all physical checkbooks

1195
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 1: from the offices of Steve Tish and John Mara, I

1196
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: think they'd find some way to wire the money to

1197
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 1: Jones's agents and get it done. I don't. I'm working

1198
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 1: right now on what the deal will look like, because

1199
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 1: going into the Vikings game, I talked to some smart

1200
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: people on the league who are very plugged into this,

1201
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 1: not only Jones's conversations, but also quarterback market and value,

1202
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 1: and they felt that if a long term deal happened,

1203
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 1: it might look something like a three year, hundred million

1204
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 1: dollar deal with anywhere from six to seventy five million guaranteed.

1205
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 1: So that would be like thirty three and a half

1206
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 1: a year, but that's still below like the thirty five

1207
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 1: million of Kirk Cousins. You look at what Jones just

1208
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 1: put on the field against the Vikings. Is he not

1209
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 1: worth more than Kyler Murray? Is he not worth more

1210
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 1: up to the is he not worth up to this?

1211
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 1: He's not worth more than Kyler Urry To answer your question,

1212
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 1: that's my answer. Who has more playoff wins? I think

1213
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 1: those component exactly. I think those comps will be talked

1214
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 1: about behind closed doors, though though Greg I can't say

1215
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 1: disagree with I think that the average own, the average

1216
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 1: person paying this money, he is worth a lot less

1217
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 1: because you have four years of play now, every quarterback

1218
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 1: ends up getting paid, so I think he'll get paid

1219
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 1: in His value is so much more now than it

1220
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 1: was two months ago. And I think it's worth more

1221
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 1: right now than anyone else that's going to be available

1222
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 1: off this offseason, which is maybe the most important. Like

1223
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 1: it's it's more than Gino. I think it's more than

1224
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. Like ultimately, um, it's more than the Jimmy

1225
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 1: G's and everything of the world. So they're gonna have

1226
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 1: to tag him at worst. Does he like, does Daniel

1227
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 1: Jones give you anything kind of behind the scenes, because

1228
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: he he just seems like he doesn't want to give

1229
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: like the media or anyone anything, so largely he does

1230
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 1: not UM a year plus ago, so I think it

1231
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 1: was prior to the season. Going into that off season,

1232
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 1: I had the same thought you did, of Okay, this

1233
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 1: guy puts up a good front, but who is he really?

1234
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 1: Because I had had enough conversations with teammates and coaches

1235
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 1: and family members and people behind the scenes you know

1236
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 1: you're not seeing the real Daniel. There's so much more

1237
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 1: to him, and I'm saying, we'll prove it. And I

1238
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: wanted to go to one of his workouts down in

1239
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 1: North caw A Line and just spend a day with him.

1240
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 1: And try to get behind the curtain. He suggested, why

1241
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 1: don't we go to dinner when I come back. I

1242
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: said fine, and we sat down in Hoboken for a

1243
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 1: few hours at a steakhouse and I was able to

1244
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 1: do a story off of that and the pay in

1245
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 1: the Daily News. And what Daniel wanted to stress to

1246
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 1: me at that dinner was what did he get, by

1247
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 1: the way, what order he ordered? Uh? He just ordered

1248
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 1: a New York strip. He did not. He wasn't big

1249
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 1: on the sides. I remember, I'll never forget he said

1250
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 1: he doesn't like mac and cheese. That always stuck with me.

1251
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, everybody likes mac and cheese. What are you talking?

1252
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, also only eating mac and cheese once

1253
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 1: in my life. So Daniel Jones and I have something.

1254
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 1: There's a link between us. He didn't he didn't drink.

1255
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: He didn't drink. I ordered a drink. He didn't, you know,

1256
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:50,480
Speaker 1: kind of put me on the defensive a little bit.

1257
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 1: That's the first time we went out with Greg Rosenthal

1258
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 1: when he came to the NFL that and it was me,

1259
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: Mark and Greg, We're trying to feel this guy out.

1260
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 1: And he didn't get a drink. Either, and it put

1261
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 1: us on our heels. We didn't know what to think exactly.

1262
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 1: You kind of you kind of blink a couple of times. No.

1263
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 1: So his message to me though that night was I

1264
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 1: got to know him a little bit better. You know,

1265
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 1: he likes basketball, um, you know, values his close friends

1266
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 1: and family. But he wanted to let me know that

1267
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 1: everything he does is in the best interest of what

1268
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 1: he thinks helps the team the most. And it was

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01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 1: kind of his way of saying so. In other words,

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01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 1: he still didn't fully open up to me, but he

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01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 1: was trying to stress to me that, listen, I do

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01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 1: everything I do for a reason. So if you think

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01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 1: that I'm not helping you, or I'm not giving a lot,

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01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 1: or I don't answer a question maybe the way you

1275
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 1: would expect or you would like, it's all based on

1276
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 1: what I think is going to be best for the Giants.

1277
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: And so he's he's hyper aware of um, the position

1278
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 1: he is in and how visible he is, and that,

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01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 1: you know, the most interesting thing to me that night

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01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 1: was he's tall, so people notice him. But not until

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01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: we were walking out of the restaurant did I hear

1282
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 1: somebody say, oh, there's Daniel Jones. You know, so he was.

1283
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 1: He was able to kind of slip in and out

1284
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 1: fairly undetected. I think that's gonna stop Derek Jeter Mode

1285
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 1: of New York Media Management, Mark, what do you got? Well?

1286
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 1: I just I wanted to know, Um, you know are

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01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 1: we have had Cavon Thibodeau on the show a number

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01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 1: of times. Um, it got to the point where we

1289
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 1: thought we had a friendship with him. UM. I'm not

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01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 1: sure after our last interview with him that we that

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01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 1: we would claim that necessarily know. I asked him if, um,

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Speaker 1: Brian Dable, if he thought, you know, getting to know

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01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 1: Brian Dable, whether he was a big spoon or a

1294
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 1: small spoon in his private life. He didn't want to

1295
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 1: answer that. I will ask you a Brian day Ball

1296
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 1: question in a different way. What makes him special? Because

1297
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 1: he feels it feels like this is the day ball

1298
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 1: arrival has changed everything for the Giants. You've gotten to

1299
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 1: know him better than we have behind the scenes. What

1300
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 1: makes them unique or special? The players say that Dable

1301
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 1: lets them all beat themselves, and that he lets the

1302
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 1: captains and the leadership of the locker room kind of

1303
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 1: police the team, and that they appreciate that versus other

1304
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 1: places they've been. The caution to that management style is

1305
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 1: if is it creates some looseness to how you're managing

1306
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 1: things at times, And so Xavier McKinney goes to you know,

1307
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 1: Cabo and spring Break and bust up his hand. Um,

1308
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 1: you know, things like that maybe don't happen if the

1309
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 1: ship is tighter and and you're you're kind of looking

1310
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 1: over guy's shoulders more. But in the long run, when

1311
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 1: you've been in an environment where guys have the weight

1312
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 1: of the world on their shoulders and all the conversation

1313
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 1: is about how the offensive line stinks and the quarterbacks

1314
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 1: on his way out and all this stuff, they really

1315
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 1: have felt that Dabel has been a breath of fresh air.

1316
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 1: He gives a lot of people a voice. He's collaborative.

1317
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 1: Like one thing that happened at the end of the

1318
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 1: Judge Gentleman regime was, um, you know, they did not

1319
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 1: see eye to eye, and Judge ended up trying to

1320
01:07:56,920 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 1: take everything on himself. He basically stopped delegating, and so

1321
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:04,959
Speaker 1: that was something that was obviously a byproduct of poor

1322
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 1: decisions made all the way up to that. But what's

1323
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 1: happening now is now that Shane and Dable talk to

1324
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 1: each other and our friends and came from Buffalo together.

1325
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 1: There's a lot of you know, alignment, I guess is

1326
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:20,719
Speaker 1: the right word. And frankly, you asked me about Dable.

1327
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 1: But this is operating a little bit like a baseball team,

1328
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 1: where you know, Joe Shane is theo epstein and he's

1329
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 1: sitting with Brian Dable on Friday and Saturday making the

1330
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 1: game day lineup, and so Dable is inclusive in that regard,

1331
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 1: and Shane deserves credit also for kind of how the

1332
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:40,639
Speaker 1: coaching staff is deploying the team on game day. Interesting

1333
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 1: all right, So there you go. Pat Leonard, New York

1334
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 1: Daily News, check him out. Uh. He also has a podcast,

1335
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 1: Talking Ball with Pat Leonard. Uh, look that up wherever

1336
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 1: you get podcasts. Ball. Loved it. And one last thought,

1337
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 1: I mean, you mentioned that that Daniel Jones had a

1338
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:02,600
Speaker 1: flash point moment against the Vikings, and I didn't know

1339
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 1: if you were aware of the around the NFL Flashpoint series,

1340
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 1: which really has taken off this year. So I don't

1341
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 1: know if that just seeped into the culture or if

1342
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 1: you were aware of it. Either way, it was great

1343
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:22,800
Speaker 1: to hear the word flash point and I can I

1344
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 1: have that audio and play it for Daniel absolutely the next,

1345
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 1: the next steak dinner and Hoboken. I used to live

1346
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:32,599
Speaker 1: on tenth and Clinton and Hoboken. Good times. Twenty four

1347
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 1: year old zoos. All right, Pat, thank you very much, buddy,

1348
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 1: appreciate you coming on the show. Pat, your Guys show

1349
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 1: is awesome. Thank you so much for having me on.

1350
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 1: Thank you. There he goes Pat Leonard, all right, put

1351
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 1: him on the list grave Digger, the database of of

1352
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 1: the guys we like and the gals we like and

1353
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 1: the list of the damned. Yeah, we found our giants. Guy,

1354
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:58,680
Speaker 1: got a good giants. Guy love Pat. Pat's great, A

1355
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 1: lot of fun. Yeah, Simonds was again again. Do not

1356
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 1: even try to get in the door at the Bourbon

1357
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 1: Room UM in Hollywood Wednesday night where we're going to

1358
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 1: be there and maybe Colleen to yeah, nudge nudge, and

1359
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:24,720
Speaker 1: we know Yessica will be there as well. We did

1360
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 1: say it, we teased it. I'll be there, so make

1361
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:30,840
Speaker 1: sure you're there if you've got tickets, and flood the

1362
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 1: secondary market and see if there is one. Your daughter

1363
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 1: doesn't need braces, You just should have braces. And I

1364
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 1: think that's an important distinction. You need to be able

1365
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:42,240
Speaker 1: to tear children's needs along with your own needs, and

1366
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 1: I think your need comes first here without any conflict.

1367
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 1: You only get one one life on this blue marble.

1368
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 1: It's like, why does everyone's teeth have to be so straight?

1369
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:52,680
Speaker 1: Let's bring back crooked teeth. That's it, right, like the

1370
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 1: olden days. Yeah, let's be imperfect, all right, that's it. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Dan Hands is signing off four Quiet Storm, the Old Boss,

1372
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 1: Connie Fox, the Tiny Box, the Grave Digger who will

1373
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 1: also be in Hollywood. Is your chance to meet Justin Graver?

1374
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god, heed the call