1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Women of iHeart Country sitting here with Nicole A galleon, 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: and before we sat down, Nicole's like, Okay, I have 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: an event tonight. I guess our record labels throwing a party, 4 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: a toga party. 5 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how to toga. 6 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so yeah, being in a white sheet or 7 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: toga situation, I could see how you'd maybe want a 8 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: spraytan for that. And you just got it. 9 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 3: I'm like dripping wet in spraytan formula right now. 10 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: So she said that by the time the interview's done, 11 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: it may have advanced to the darker level. 12 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 13 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 3: You know when they shoot movies and they need like continuity, 14 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 3: you have to if you show any of this out 15 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 3: of order, I'm going to look different shades. 16 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, as it well. 17 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I think any woman listening to this right 18 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: now can appreciate that, because we all have the struggle 19 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: of the spray tan, whether it's the rapid one that's 20 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: just going really quick, or maybe the one you sleep 21 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: in and you wake up and your sheets, your white 22 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: sheets look tan. 23 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 2: It's awful. 24 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: Ron's awful. But Nicole is here to talk about way 25 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: more than spray tans that just came up your EP 26 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: Second Wife came out on October thirteenth, and it was 27 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 1: your sixteenth wedding anniversary to your husband, and so I 28 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: think it speaks for itself that you're his second wife. 29 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 1: But why make that the title of the EP? Now? 30 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: I was a huge fan of the Firstborn, huge fan, 31 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: such a beautiful project that I encourage everybody to go 32 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,559 Speaker 1: check out if you haven't yet, or revisit it because 33 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 1: there's such good stuff on there. But let's talk about 34 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: Second Wife. Well. 35 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 3: Second Wife actually started when we wrote the last song 36 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 3: for Firstborn, which was five Year Plan, and that record 37 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 3: was all about the arc of my story as an individual, 38 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 3: and I said that one was the one for me. 39 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 2: But I couldn't tell my. 40 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 3: Whole story without our story kind of wrapping it up, 41 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 3: and so we wrote five Year Plan. It was like 42 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 3: the first song we had ever really written the two 43 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 3: of us about us, and it was so special the 44 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 3: experience that I just said, I want to do more 45 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 3: of that, Like even if no one even hears these 46 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 3: songs or they don't make sense for anyone else, let's 47 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 3: do more of that. Like I just want us to 48 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 3: spend more time together writing we are. That's like the 49 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 3: one part of each other's lives we've never shared is 50 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 3: what it's like to be in a writing room together. 51 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 3: And so it was that paired with well what comes 52 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 3: after first? Second? Oh wait, I'm a second wife. It 53 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 3: just kind of all came together in one moment. And 54 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 3: I didn't even know like what the arc of the 55 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 3: second wife story would be until we started writing. 56 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: And so, just to clarify for people that don't know 57 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: your husband's songwriter. 58 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm married to Rodney Clauson. He's kind of a 59 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 3: big deal if you are into who writes the songs 60 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 3: that are on the radio. He's written a lot of 61 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 3: He's written like twenty five number. 62 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: Ones and twenty five number ones. Yeah, yeah, that's that's amazing. 63 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: How many number ones do you have? Do you have? 64 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 2: Ten? 65 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: Ten? 66 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 3: I made it to Devil Digits, which feels somehow really significant. 67 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: Which some that y'all would most definitely know. Automatic Miranda 68 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: Lambert thought you should know Morgan wallin which I got 69 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: to say that song it came out a couple of 70 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: years ago, but something about it this year. I'm not 71 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: quite sure, but I have been listening to it on 72 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 1: repeat the last few months. I just love it. I 73 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: don't know why it's hitting me different. I loved it then. 74 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: Do you know so many other hits have come out, 75 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: even from Morgan since then, But I'm it's like I'm 76 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: revisiting it like it's new. 77 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 3: Do you when you listen to it? Are you more 78 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 3: of the one making the phone call or the one 79 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 3: getting the phone call? 80 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: I'm the one making the phone call. And my mom 81 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: passed away well nine years ago this month, and so 82 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: I think that I you know, honestly, I probably I 83 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: picture Morgan on the phone to his mom, but I 84 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: am I am him like I'm the one making the 85 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: phone call to the mom. I'm not on the receiving 86 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: end from my kids. I don't know that's there to 87 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: that point where they would call me yet to tell me. 88 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: I thought you should know. 89 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 2: Fully. 90 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: Sunday sixteen year old, so thirteen, So different different ages. 91 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: But that's such a beautiful song. What was the writing 92 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: process for that song? 93 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 3: Like, honestly, I give all the credit to Morgan on that. 94 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 3: It was a really crazy day because it was me, 95 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 3: Miranda Lambert and Morgan Wallen on my porch swings and 96 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 3: I think it was the end of twenty twenty and 97 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 3: there was really no agenda that day. He had just 98 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 3: finished the Dangerous Record, so we weren't even really trying 99 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 3: to write for anyone in the room. But he came 100 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 3: in and he said, Hey, I've always wanted to write 101 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 3: something for my mom, and I had started this and 102 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 3: he had so much of the song sussed out. And 103 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 3: I'm not trying to just like gas him up. I 104 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 3: mean truly like that song was his and he brought 105 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 3: us in on that. But he has since told me. 106 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 3: I think he said in another interview, like, I don't 107 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 3: know that I would have written that song if I 108 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 3: wasn't in the room with females, maybe bringing out some 109 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 3: of his vulnerable, softer side. I don't know, I'm just speculating, 110 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 3: but that's my favorite thing about you know, first time 111 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 3: co writes is you don't even know like what people 112 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 3: are going to bring out in each other there. And 113 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 3: that song was the outcome of that day. 114 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: So that was the very first time that you had 115 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: written with Morgan, not Miranda, but Morgan and Miranda together. Yeah, 116 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 1: that and y'all came up with that. That's I mean, it's 117 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: gold you as the writer, were you like picturing your 118 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: kids calling you or you calling your mom. 119 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 3: I just remembered when we were when we came up 120 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 3: with the line of you know, been losing sleep since 121 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 3: ninety three, I just immediately thought, been losing sleep since 122 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 3: twenty fifteen when I had my son, and I was like, man, 123 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 3: I just hope and pray that I get one phone 124 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 3: call like this someday. I hope that we have the 125 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 3: relationship that you know, they're like boomerangs, Like these kids, 126 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 3: you like send them out in the world and you 127 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 3: just pray that they go as far and as fast 128 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 3: as they can toward whatever they're going toward, but that 129 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 3: ultimately they will come back to you and have touch 130 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 3: points with you. And that's where my head was at. 131 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 3: I was just like, God, I hope my son care's 132 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:57,919 Speaker 3: enough to write a song about me someday. 133 00:05:58,160 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. I love that. 134 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 1: Other songs that people definitely know from you. Half of 135 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: My Hometown with Kelsey and Kenny, Homecoming Queen, another good 136 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: one with Kelsey boy Lee Brice, Consequences, Camilla Kibo, which 137 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: when you cross over like you're in the country space 138 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: and you went to Belmont. Let's talk about that before 139 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 1: we get intoto more songs and more of Second Wife, 140 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 1: but were you setting out to be more of a 141 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: songwriter or an artist when you were at Belmont, and 142 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: then how did you get from country into even some 143 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: of these pop spaces. 144 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 3: Well, I actually never came here to be an artist 145 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 3: or a songwriter. I came here wanting to be a 146 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 3: manager or an agent or a record in the music business. 147 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 3: I just wanted to be one degree away from the 148 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 3: center of my biggest passion, which was country music. And 149 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 3: I got here and then met songwriting and met songwriters 150 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 3: and learned that that was a job I could have. 151 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 3: And then I just must have been had enough of 152 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 3: an ego or I was just delusional and thought I 153 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 3: could do it, and so I started writing by myself. 154 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 3: And you know, I always wanted to be a songwriter. 155 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 3: I'm more of a creative. I don't love to perform, 156 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 3: so I didn't ever really want to be an artist 157 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 3: because the performance and going on tour is such a 158 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 3: big piece of it, and I have crazy nerves around performing. 159 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 3: It like takes the life out of me. Honestly, it 160 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 3: like fills true artists up that were meant to be 161 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 3: on stage. They go on stage and they come off 162 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 3: stage and their cup is full because they did that, 163 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 3: it depletes me. So I just wanted to be a 164 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 3: creative and create and write songs. And you know, at 165 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 3: a certain point when no one was recording my songs, 166 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 3: I just thought, well, maybe I should be the artist 167 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 3: if that's. 168 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 2: Gonna be how I get my songs out in the world. 169 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 3: So there was like a brief stint in there where 170 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 3: I went on the voice and I was playing some 171 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 3: showcases around town and was trying to make inroads with 172 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 3: labels and stuff. And luckily it didn't work out for 173 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 3: me because I am so glad that I have like 174 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 3: the perfectly curated life for myself now that I have 175 00:07:58,280 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 3: where I get to be home. I don't have to 176 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 3: be on the room ode. I just get to create 177 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 3: wherever I can. 178 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: And so being married to a songwriter or do y'all ever, 179 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: just you're sitting around the table, does something organically come 180 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: up and you're like, we should go get a guitar 181 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: and get a pen and paper, and you just start 182 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: it even though you had no intention of doing that 183 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: in the moment. 184 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, that happens a lot, but usually because historically we 185 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 3: haven't written together a lot. So when we're like at 186 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 3: a dinner and someone says something in a conversation and 187 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 3: it's like we both look at each other and we're like, oh, 188 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 3: that's a song title. He always says first to write 189 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 3: it wins. And so then we like look at our 190 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 3: calendars and like you just never know who's going to 191 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 3: get in the room next and write it. But we've 192 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 3: always written it with other people. And now that we've 193 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 3: you know, written the CP and now we're writing together, 194 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 3: it's like this new era for us. I think when 195 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 3: those moments happen and we have a song idea that 196 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 3: comes up, we're going to just write them together. 197 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: Now, y'all wrote it out at your farm, yes, which 198 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: is near Nashville. Writing with a spouse is different than 199 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: like if you're writing with you know, Miranda or any 200 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: of the other laundry list of people that you have 201 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: written with, do you have to like take breaks or. 202 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 2: Yeah? 203 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:15,079 Speaker 3: I think I think the reason that we didn't write 204 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 3: together for so long was because we wanted to have boundaries, 205 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 3: and we're both wildly independent. But something has shifted in 206 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 3: our relationship where even with boundaries like we it's because 207 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 3: when you write, you really can't have a lot of boundaries. 208 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 3: You need to be able to be open and for 209 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 3: us to be in a room we're so close it 210 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 3: would stress anyone out to be around us trying to 211 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 3: go write with us, because we would say anything about 212 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 3: anything to each other. Everything's on the table, and when 213 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 3: you're right in the room with a third or a 214 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 3: fourth writer, you're kind of like, well, you got to 215 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 3: keep some things like professional, you know, I don't know 216 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 3: that we could have been professional. And so now I 217 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 3: think the secret is writing just the two of us, 218 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 3: because we can, you know, stop in the middle and 219 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 3: go do whatever we want to do or say I 220 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 3: hate that or I don't. And writing Second Wife specifically 221 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 3: was so cool because I don't even remember songs starting 222 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 3: and ending. We would just start conversations and then like 223 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 3: the next thing, you know, we're writing a song. Or 224 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 3: we would pour all this wine. He was drinking tequila, 225 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 3: I think a lot, and we would just like sit 226 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 3: on the couch and I'm drinking wine, he's drinking tequila, 227 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 3: and we'd play We're not really strangers the card game 228 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 3: and that would turn into a conversation about us and 229 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 3: then I'm like, wait, that's a song, and that's really 230 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 3: how we wrote it. We gave ourselves two weekends and 231 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 3: we said, what we write in these two weekends is 232 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 3: the project. And it was this really fun challenge to 233 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 3: just be as present as possible and shut out everything 234 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:45,719 Speaker 3: else in the world because we had one task, which 235 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 3: was just to spend time together and create. 236 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: I love these projects for everybody because we all get 237 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 1: to enjoy it, but especially your kids. Oh yeah, like 238 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: how cool for firstborn they have that, and then now 239 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: they have their parents with second wife. It's just when 240 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: they're older. I just go such a gift. Yeah, I 241 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: think that's or even now they don't even have to 242 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: be older. 243 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is kind of fun. 244 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 3: Even like you know, we've had even in our family, 245 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 3: there's a lot of things that you need to explain 246 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 3: to your kids as they get older, and it's kind 247 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 3: of I think there's a connection between what I'm writing 248 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 3: and trying to get out on Firstborn and Second Wife. 249 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 3: That felt somewhat age appropriate for me to start telling 250 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 3: my kids about those things from my life. That it's 251 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 3: that in turn is going to give them a better 252 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 3: understanding of theirs and where they come from and who 253 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 3: they come from. 254 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, because the title of one of the songs is 255 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: Prenup and it's y'all poking fun at your lack of 256 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 1: a need for a prenup upon marriage. 257 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 3: Oh, we were both a financial liability to each other 258 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 3: at that point. I came in with a lot of 259 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 3: private school like college loans. Rodney had back taxes. We 260 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 3: were like, why would we ever need a prenup? And 261 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 3: now it's kind of like it's balanced itself out because 262 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 3: I think we've both you know, paved our own way 263 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 3: on our you know, if we split it in half, 264 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 3: it kind of it's all the same now. 265 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:13,479 Speaker 2: Yeah. 266 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: Other songs the Grain, which is about how different love 267 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:21,319 Speaker 1: stories can look. Rooms about multiple life experiences, and how 268 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: walking through rooms has evolved throughout their relationship. Tell me 269 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 1: about that. 270 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 3: Rooms was a song that came from us having too 271 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 3: much to drink and playing we're not really strangers, and 272 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 3: I forget what the card prompted us to talk about, 273 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 3: but I started reminiscing about how differently it has felt 274 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 3: over the years walking into the BMI Awards with him. 275 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 3: It's an event we have in here in Nashville. It's 276 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 3: exclusive for songwriting and publishing, and it's kind of like 277 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 3: the super Bowl of songwriting. 278 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 2: Every year. 279 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 3: It's like everyone gets dressed up, and I remember I've 280 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 3: gone now I guess like seventeen or eighteen years now 281 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 3: with him, and I was just like, it's just wild 282 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 3: when you watch how differently every night of the BMI 283 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 3: Awards has felt, from me walking in and him winning 284 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 3: Writer of the Year, to then me winning writer and 285 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 3: then last year I went by myself and had a 286 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 3: really great night, but he was off hunting and we 287 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 3: were talking through all that, and then I was like, 288 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 3: and then if you go back to the very first year, 289 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 3: this is how it felt to me to walk into 290 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 3: that room with you. And I told him all this 291 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 3: and he said, I had no idea that that's what 292 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 3: you were experiencing. I just thought you were excited to 293 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 3: get dressed up and go to the party. I was like, no, 294 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 3: there was so much more wrapped into it for me, 295 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 3: and so we just on the spot. I just started like, 296 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 3: you know, like there's our title rooms and you know 297 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 3: what will I wear? I remember, just like, what person, 298 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 3: no matter what your life story is, has what girl 299 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:49,959 Speaker 3: hasn't like overthought you know everything that every move she 300 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 3: made when she walked in a room. It's it's just 301 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 3: part of I think being a young woman Texas. 302 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: Hold Him is another song which is lighthearted, cheeky romantic 303 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: song under the Rainbow. Now this one is this written 304 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: by others? Are y all involved in this? 305 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 2: All? Yeah? 306 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 3: We took a song that is, you know, already like 307 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 3: a huge classic song and kind of did our own 308 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 3: little spin on if we could, if we could rewrite that, 309 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 3: what would it sound like? Our version of the fairy tale? 310 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: Yeah? I love putting a spin on things. Which, speaking 311 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: of thought, you should go back to that with Morgan 312 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: Wall And there's a DJ that put a spin on 313 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: that with and merged it with Tupac Dear Mama. Have 314 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: you heard it? No? Because you know, if you think 315 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: about it, Tupac singing to his mom, Oh yeah, dear mama. 316 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: When I was young, me and my mama had beef 317 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: seventeen years old. You know, he's like laid to don't 318 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: Ginova love you sweet Laid and then Morgan singing to 319 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: his mom. But he kind of merges and the beats 320 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: kind of go together. It's so good. I'm going to 321 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: text it to you. Please do I have to go 322 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: see this because and it's just a snippet. I wanted 323 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: to DM the DJ and be like, can you sing 324 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: me the full? Can you do a full version? So 325 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: I can listen to this over and over since but 326 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: I just listened to the Instagram reel over and over. 327 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 3: Okay, well that is a task for some young DJ 328 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 3: out there to go put it on TikTok so we 329 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 3: can all. 330 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: Use this one on. Yeah, he has like a million 331 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: followers on TikTok. Eric, Well, I'm going to find it 332 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: now and then I'll play it for you. But it 333 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: is so good and I'll send it to you. But 334 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: I want to go to the first song on the track, 335 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: save this one for last, because I thought it was 336 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: really special that there's a song expressing gratitude to your 337 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: your mother in law and how she shaped Rodney, your husband, 338 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: her son. So talk us through Joe, which is the title. 339 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 3: Joe is Rodney's mom, but Joe is a name that 340 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 3: is a common thread through Rodney's life and beyond his mom, 341 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 3: his his sister the past. When he was younger, her 342 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 3: middle name was Joe. Our daughter's middle. 343 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 2: Name is Joe. 344 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 3: My aunt Joe Anne, who's like the sister that he 345 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 3: never had. I mean it just Joe keeps stowing up 346 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 3: in his life and I just I just was like, Okay, 347 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 3: I have to write a song called Joe. 348 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 2: And as I was steing on that. 349 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 3: I realized what a trailblazer his mom was from me 350 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 3: in his life. She you know, she's that like, take 351 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 3: twelve diet cokes out in a cooler and drive the 352 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 3: tractor and she'll she'll cut all the She's like, she's 353 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 3: very much that I can do it myself mentality, and 354 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 3: we're so different, she and I, but I just wanted 355 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 3: to give her. I wanted to give credit where credit 356 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 3: is due for maybe why he was even attracted to 357 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 3: me in the first place. And I can as I 358 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 3: as I now have kids, I start to imagine, like, 359 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 3: what's it going to be like when my kids bring 360 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 3: people home and I can see, oh, you like this 361 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 3: one maybe because your dad's this way or I'm this 362 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 3: way or And I really leaned into the idea that 363 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 3: of just gratitude for her in all of her quirky 364 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 3: and beautiful ways. And it was so fun to write 365 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 3: with him, because I don't know that he would have 366 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 3: ever on his own written a song about his mom, 367 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 3: but it kind of forced him. I mean, all those 368 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 3: details in there really came from him. You know, green 369 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 3: roof on a gravel road. I'm like, I didn't remember 370 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 3: that the house you grew up in had a green roof. 371 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 3: But yeah, she's she's an okay cook and I'm an 372 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 3: okay cook. And I think he doesn't care if he's 373 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:05,360 Speaker 3: married to a great cook because of her. And I'm 374 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 3: so grateful for that, Nicole. 375 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: I know, just seeing you bake and cook on Instagram, 376 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: I'm impressed. 377 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 3: I like to bake Kansas. Kansas has brought out my 378 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 3: Martha Stewart's side. But he always says, like if I 379 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 3: go like three days in a row without making dinner, 380 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 3: He's like, I didn't marry for that. And then I 381 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 3: always think about his mom. I'm like, oh, yeah, she 382 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 3: would love. She'd throw anything in a microwave, you know 383 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 3: what I mean. She'll freeze pizza, hut pizza for six 384 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 3: months and then pull it out. 385 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 2: You know. I mean, I'm like that, thank you, thank 386 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 2: God that she was that way. 387 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's this mom. Have you seen her. She's gone viral. 388 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: I can't think of the handle, but she's you know, 389 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: she'll be in the kitchen like with her son and 390 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: they're doing dishes together, like this is a normal thing, 391 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:49,959 Speaker 1: and the caption will be like and she's kind of 392 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: glaring into the camera and she'll be like, me doing 393 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: dishes with my son, like it's normal, so that when 394 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,719 Speaker 1: he's married, it's not like this big deal for him 395 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: to have to do dishes. 396 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 2: Yes. 397 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, Rodney prides himself on the fact that he can 398 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 3: make a really mean mashed potato. And I think it's 399 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 3: because his mom. I really hope Joe Alice is not 400 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 3: listening to this right now, but would not make a 401 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 3: lot of mashed potatoes, like on Thanksgiving, and he's got 402 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 3: some deep trauma about the lack of mash potatoes because 403 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,919 Speaker 3: he'll make twenty five pounds of mashed potatoes every Thanksgiving. 404 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 3: And I'm like, okay, I mean so yeah. I think 405 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 3: we all, you know, are living out the things that 406 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 3: maybe we didn't have. 407 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned earlier that you know, once you realize, okay, 408 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to be a songwriter, and you do have 409 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: your own albums, your own music that you perform, but 410 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: performing is not necessarily something that fills your cup up. 411 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: It depletes you. So what are the things that you 412 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: do besides songwriting that fill your cup up? 413 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 2: Oh? 414 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 3: Well, I love playing volleyball like sand or court. I'll 415 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 3: play sand, but I prefer court. I actually am on 416 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 3: a rec league volleyball team back in my hometown right 417 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 3: now with a bunch of girls that I grew up with, 418 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 3: and it is literally the most joy that I've ever 419 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 3: had in my life, in my adult life. And I 420 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 3: love taking photos. I'm forever a yearbook editor. I've been 421 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 3: carrying a camera over my shoulder long before there was 422 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 3: an Instagram or a Facebook. I just love the storytelling 423 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 3: and the creativity of photos. And it's like a part 424 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 3: of my life that hasn't become a business, and so 425 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 3: it's just so pure. I just love, you know, I 426 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 3: love taking photos, and I do love baking cakes. Now 427 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 3: this is a new thing for me. When I go 428 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 3: back to my hometown, I have quiet and I have space. 429 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 3: And somehow later in life, like at the age of 430 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 3: like thirty six, I discovered that I needed to learn 431 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 3: how to bake a good birthday cake. And it just 432 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 3: has taken on a life of its own and I 433 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 3: have made a gazillion cakes and it's so fun. 434 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: What's your go to birthday cake or what flavor. 435 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 3: I personally love, like an almond flavor, like a wedding cake, 436 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 3: just basic white on white, you know, and I've made 437 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 3: a bunch of different iterations of it, but like I'm 438 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 3: kind of a basic Kansas girl. Like I love a 439 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 3: really good fun fetti, I love a white wedding cake. 440 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 3: I recently nailed I read velvet cake for the first time. 441 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 3: Thank you to my best friend's grandma. 442 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 1: What kind of icing did you do? 443 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:06,199 Speaker 2: It was? 444 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 3: I have the recipe card at the photo of it 445 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 3: in my phone and I may have even posted on 446 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 3: Instagram because it's handwritten and it's all faded from my 447 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 3: friend Brenna's grandma k because I'd made two different cakes 448 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 3: already and failed, and I was like, I have twenty 449 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 3: four hours before my husband's birthday and I gotta nail this. 450 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 3: And it's called no fail icing. And it's not cream cheese. 451 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: Right, That's what I was curious if you did, like 452 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: a vanilla butter cream or cream cheese, because red velvet 453 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: you can go either way. 454 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 3: Oh, it's like nothing I've ever had before. And I 455 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 3: will send you the link because well the link, which 456 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 3: is a photo of a recipe card because it's so 457 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 3: old school, but you put milk and flour on the 458 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 3: stove and you like it's like you put flour in it. 459 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 3: It's so it's so interesting. 460 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm definitely curious about this, which if people want 461 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: to see your Instagram and all the photos and the 462 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: baking and the recipes at Nick at Night Music in 463 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: ice at in Ite Music. So, Nicole, why'd you go 464 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 1: with Nick at Night Music for your handle? 465 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 3: Because it was my email address when I was in 466 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 3: college and as before. 467 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 1: Nid night hot mail AOL. 468 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a hot mail Okay. Actually my very 469 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 3: first email address was nash Underscore twenty two Underscore Ville 470 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 3: at hot mail like that. But then I moved to 471 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 3: Nick at Night And I don't know that I would 472 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 3: have put Nick at Night Music had I understood what 473 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 3: a big deal Instagram was going to be. But now 474 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 3: I am Nick at Night and so I forever will be. 475 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 3: Yeah that's what I know you as too. 476 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: But it is interesting, Yeah, when you come up with 477 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: handles at the beginning of something not knowing. Yeah, who 478 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: knew that Instagram would even still be around or what 479 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: this stuff was? Twitter? Well, obviously there's Facebook, but I 480 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 1: think Twitter was where we got handle And I was like, 481 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 1: I don't know what is a. 482 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 3: Handle, that's what you put alcohol in. I didn't even 483 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 3: I thought Instagram when it first came out was just 484 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 3: an editing tool. I didn't know that it was like 485 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 3: a platform or like a community. So I was going 486 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 3: on there and editing photos over and over and saving them, 487 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 3: and I would have like twenty seven versions of the 488 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 3: same photo with different filters in a row, having no 489 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 3: idea anyone was following me and looking at all of 490 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 3: these awful things that I was posting. 491 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 1: So I mean, well, your photographs, they're amazing. I know 492 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: you don't. You say that's not a job for you yet, 493 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: but I'm like, well, this could be like you just 494 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: have you have an eye, and you're very creative and 495 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: besides a spray tan since we talked about you getting 496 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: one those at the beginning, and you haven't really gotten 497 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,719 Speaker 1: much darker as we were sitting here. But what is 498 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: something that as a woman makes you feel most confident? 499 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 2: Probably that sounds so woo woo. 500 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 3: But when I when my nervous system is like calm, 501 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 3: that's my favorite version of myself. And so I think, 502 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 3: you know, that's where Kansas comes in. I think when 503 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 3: I feel calm and centered, I'm offering other people like 504 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 3: the best version of me, and so I come across 505 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 3: more confidently. And you know, the music business is stressful, 506 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 3: Like I'm not always you know, I come across a 507 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 3: certain way, but I'm so anxious under under the surface 508 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 3: all the time when I'm at music business events or 509 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 3: making decisions. But truly it's when I do the work 510 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 3: to just get calm and centered that I feel like, oh, 511 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 3: there I am. 512 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: There's so many young artists were premiering their songs on 513 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: Women of iHeart Country and they're listening. That's one of 514 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: the fun parts is they'll be in the car and 515 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: they'll record it and they'll throw it on Instagram or TikTok, 516 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: and they're hearing their song on the radio for the 517 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: first time. Do you remember the first song you wrote 518 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 1: and it was recorded and was released to radio and 519 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: where you were maybe even what car you were in. 520 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 3: Yes, the first time that I heard we were Us 521 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 3: on the radio, I was on my way back. I 522 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 3: was driving back to my house fast and furiously because 523 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 3: I think maybe my daughter was just a few months 524 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 3: old at that point. 525 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 2: I had her in May. 526 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,239 Speaker 3: The song came out in August and I had just 527 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 3: gotten a blowout for like a music business function, and 528 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 3: I remember feeling so vulnerable, like, oh man, my body's 529 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 3: not right. I'm going going to this event tonight. I'm 530 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 3: not myself, you know. But i'd gotten a blowout and 531 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 3: I was in sweats a blowout, and I just remember 532 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 3: going through Green Hills and this song came on and 533 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 3: I just cried so hard, and I just remember sensory wise, 534 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 3: I can remember my hair sticking to my face, like 535 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 3: the tears on my face, and me feeling like, wow, 536 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 3: isn't this just all a metaphor? Like you're kind of 537 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 3: this is a mess, and you know you're worried about 538 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 3: what you look like going to a music business function, 539 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 3: but look what you've done, Like it was just in it. 540 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 3: Just it's just continued to be that way over and 541 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 3: over and over for me, Like every time there's a high, 542 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 3: it's always balanced out by some really like humbling life experience. 543 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 3: It's happening at home that like has kind of kept 544 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 3: grounded through it. 545 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 546 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: I love that I got goosebumps as you were telling 547 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 1: the story. I love when artists truly remember the first 548 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: time they ever heard it and they've got you'd have 549 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 1: a story behind it. Even you remember the feeling of 550 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: your hair sticking to your cheeks. 551 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 552 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 3: I also remember like trying to video myself, like driving 553 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 3: off the side of the road and like I should not, 554 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 3: Thank God, my daughter's not in here. I would not 555 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 3: be trusted to be a driver. But it was gosh, 556 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 3: it was wild. It feels like a million years ago. 557 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 1: Right, Nicole, You wrote Automatic, which Miranda Lambert sang it? 558 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: Who all were the writers on the song? What was 559 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,199 Speaker 1: the automatic? Right day? Like? 560 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 3: I wrote Automatic with Natalie Hemby and Miranda Lambert. Is 561 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 3: my first time to write with Miranda. I had been 562 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 3: writing for years with Natalie and she was like a sister, 563 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 3: So there was that comfort level to balance out the 564 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 3: nerves of getting to write with a legend like Miranda 565 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 3: for the first time and to set the scene. I 566 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 3: had never heard a song of mine played on the 567 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 3: radio or anything. 568 00:25:58,520 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 2: At this point. 569 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 3: When I got the opportunity to write with Miranda, I 570 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 3: was like, oh my gosh, Like nothing in my career 571 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 3: had technically quote worked yet, and so I just felt 572 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 3: a little out of my league, like and I was 573 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 3: a new mom, so tired, like, wow, the odds are 574 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 3: really against me today? 575 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 2: Is how it felt. 576 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 3: And I walked in and you know, this is Miranda's 577 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 3: like superpower is just being so real. She doesn't have 578 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 3: a fake phone in her body, and just walking in, 579 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 3: it's like you feel like you've known her for twenty years. 580 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 3: And she just started talking about her career and we 581 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 3: all started having girl talk, and next thing you know, 582 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 3: we had this this idea started. And it was such 583 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 3: a special day because I was so nervous about the 584 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 3: fact that I had to take like a breast pump 585 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 3: to the to the right, you know, and I was like, well, 586 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 3: Miranda's not a mom, so maybe she's going to be. 587 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 2: Annoyed that you have to stop. 588 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 3: And we got like a verse chorus, and I ran 589 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 3: in the other room like I have to pump, like 590 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 3: right now, I cannot wait any longer, and she's like, okay, 591 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 3: So I just but we were on a roll, so 592 00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 3: we didn't want to stop the momentum of writing. So 593 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 3: I went right around the corner and just was pumping 594 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 3: and we could hear each other and we were screaming 595 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 3: lines back and forth to each other, and I just 596 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,400 Speaker 3: remember her saying, whatever you do. 597 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 2: Don't stop pumping. What's the magic milk? 598 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 3: And so we the second half of Automatic was definitely 599 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 3: written to that awful sound. 600 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 2: That goes. 601 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 3: Pumping sound and pumping sound. That was our metronome. That 602 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 3: was our track to write too. 603 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 1: That's funny. I feel like now every time people hear Automatic, 604 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: they will picture Nicole pumping. 605 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 2: You're welcome everyone now. 606 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,199 Speaker 1: Kelsey Ballerini is someone we feature on the show often, 607 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: just got hit hit after hit on Instagram. I see 608 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 1: y'all writing together all the time, taking writing trips, like, oh, 609 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 1: these writing trips they look fun, and y'all are dancing 610 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: and late nights and wine and hot tubs and what's 611 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: it like to write with Kelsey? 612 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 3: Kelsey is one of the most effortless co writers that 613 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 3: I've ever written with. She like it's one of the 614 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 3: hardest things about songwriting is just getting that first line 615 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 3: and getting the first idea out, And she just has 616 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,239 Speaker 3: a flow to her. And maybe it's because we are 617 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,199 Speaker 3: drinking a lot of rose when we're on these trips, 618 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 3: but she can just get a song going and get 619 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 3: the plane off the ground better than almost anybody I've 620 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 3: ever written with in Nashville. And you know, it's fun 621 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 3: with her. I think our writing relationship feels very sisterly 622 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 3: and very like no agenda, like maybe we'll write something 623 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 3: that you'll want for you. But at the end of 624 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 3: the day, I think we just both become like equal 625 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,239 Speaker 3: songwriters when we're together and we're just writing songs for 626 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 3: the love of writing songs, and sometimes we get lucky 627 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 3: and that turns into a song that's on the radio, 628 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 3: like half my Hometown. But there's a vault of songs 629 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 3: that we have written to get to those songs together, 630 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 3: and those are just a special to me because we're 631 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 3: all evolving. She's evolving, I'm evolving, and we got to 632 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 3: write through certain things to get to other songs. And 633 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 3: I've been really lucky that she invited me into her 634 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 3: process and that way to where I can be the 635 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 3: one that helps her right to get to where she 636 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 3: needs to go next. 637 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: If there's anyone listening that they're thinking about maybe being 638 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: a songwriter, they feel like they've got something in them 639 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: for that, what advice would you give them if they're 640 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: starting out with, you know, even just pen to paper, 641 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: maybe they've never even shared it with anybody. 642 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 3: I would say, like, just be as honest as possible. 643 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 3: And I think sometimes when you're honest and you're writing 644 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 3: it can make you and others feel awkward, And I 645 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 3: think that can be your superpower because in a town 646 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 3: where people are drowning in a thousand new songs every day, 647 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 3: even making someone feel a little bit uncomfortable when they 648 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 3: hear your lyrics can be what makes you memorable. So 649 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 3: if something feels a little bit uncomfortable for you when 650 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 3: you're writing it, keep leaning into that because it means 651 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 3: you're tapping into something and you're going somewhere that someone 652 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 3: else hasn't gone. And so you know, yeah, I dare 653 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 3: to be a little uncomfortable. 654 00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 2: Love that. 655 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: Nicole's latest epiece, Second Wife. I'm going to read here 656 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: something about it. It shows the side of Nicole that 657 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: is flawed, self defrecating, understated, silly, and yet unconventionally traditional. 658 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: It's a side and Nicole that fell in love at 659 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: twenty one's second Wife, which, yeah, okay, never mind, we 660 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: don't talk about the age difference, no, we can. 661 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 3: Rodney it was Rodney. Rodney's eighteen years older than me. 662 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, I had I had a stepmom that 663 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: was about twenty years different from my dad. I feel 664 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: like that's still doable. You know, Robert de Niro's eighty 665 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: and he just had a baby with Like how old 666 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: is she? Forty five? A little different? 667 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there are definitely some logistical things when 668 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 3: you get that far apart that you're like, how is 669 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 3: this gonna work? But I, you know, it's funny. I 670 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 3: I thought I went into marrying someone older than me, 671 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 3: eyes wide open, knowing that it would come with it 672 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 3: set of challenges at some point, like maybe not when 673 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 3: we got married, but at some point. And we are 674 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 3: sixteen years into being married and we still we haven't 675 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 3: gotten there yet. So I you know, I'm ready for 676 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 3: when that day comes. You know, like everyone, we're gonna 677 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 3: have different seasons at different times. But I think that's 678 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 3: kind of our one of our strengths is that we 679 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 3: give each other space to be where we are at 680 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 3: that at that time. And I think, even if you're 681 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 3: the same age, you need to you need to learn 682 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 3: how to do that. But Rodney is like Benjamin Buttoning, 683 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 3: He's like young, as young and as youthful and as 684 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 3: playful as ever been at the age that he is now. 685 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 3: So to each their own, but I will fly the 686 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 3: older man flag proudly. 687 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's working. 688 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: Did a photo shoot, probably for Second Wife. I'm not 689 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: sure that you put up some pictures the other day 690 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, hey cowboy, Yeah, yeah, he's 691 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: looking y'all. Both looked well, aren't you from Texas? 692 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 2: Are you from Texas? 693 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: And Texas? Well? 694 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 3: I you know, my first crush was at the age 695 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 3: of seven, and it was Troy Aikman, and I joke 696 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 3: that like, Troy Aikman like my first attraction, and then 697 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 3: I'm married like someone that looks like maybe he could 698 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 3: be like a Troy Aikman cousin. So thank you, Troy 699 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 3: wherever you are, for paving the way for Rodney. 700 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: Laid that ground word. 701 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 3: That older man thing must have been in me. Yeah, 702 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 3: it was a part of me at a very young age. 703 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: Well, to round out what you said about Second Wife 704 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: is ep it's a side of you that you don't 705 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 1: always show, the married one. So I encourage everybody to 706 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 1: check it out. Six tracks with videos, which is I 707 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: think one of the coolest things that about firstborn And 708 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: they're in similar to firstborn? Are they in the order? 709 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 1: I mean firstborn is there's a specific order. It's telling 710 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: the story. Same thing I assume with Second Wife. 711 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 3: Second why it's really different. It's more of like scrapbook vibes. Okay, 712 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 3: it's not as much the words. The lyrics of the 713 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 3: songs kind of tell the story, and the video is 714 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 3: more of just like if we wanted to look back 715 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 3: and remember the process later on, we videoed it kind 716 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 3: of like a documentary like that. 717 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 1: Oh I love that. Okay, of course it's creatively different. 718 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: I thought maybe I'm the same vibe. But okay, well, Nicole, 719 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: thank you so much, Nicole Gallion. You'll follow her on 720 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: Instagram and TikTok at Nick at Night Music and check 721 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: out the first EP, Firstborn, But this latest EP so good. 722 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: It's called Second Wife. Bye Bye, thank you. 723 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 2: Women of iHeart Country