1 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Hi, Welcome back to the Camel Markwood Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: My guest today is Andrew Wilcow. Andrew's host of the 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: Willcow Majority on Serious Xem Patriot Radio at noon Eastern 4 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: time Monday through Friday, and host of Wilcow on the 5 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 1: Salem News Channel nine pm Eastern Monday through Friday. So 6 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: nice to have you on, Andrew. 7 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 2: Thanks for having me on. I love this. 8 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: I'm so glad to have you here because I have 9 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: to tell you, of all the radio shows I do, 10 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: I'm always like I would totally be friends with Andrew, 11 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: and I don't know. You know, we were talking before 12 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: the start of it. You're in a gen X nostalgia moment. 13 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,639 Speaker 1: I'm gen X also, I think we're the best generation. 14 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 1: Easily tell me what you're going through with the gen 15 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: X thing. 16 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 2: It's funny. 17 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 3: We are the generation that annoyed our parents with our music, 18 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 3: and now we annoy our children with our music. And 19 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 3: you know it's funny that, like, right now, my son 20 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 3: is obsessed with BMX bikes. 21 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 2: I'm actually wearing a T shirt from the movie Rad. 22 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 3: He'd watched the movie Rad, which is as dead center 23 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 3: of the eighties as you can get and he wanted 24 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 3: a bike. So I was like, oh my god, I 25 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 3: haven't seen one of these bikes in forty years. I 26 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:18,919 Speaker 3: had a mongoose, just like the one in the movie. 27 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 3: I went on Facebook marketplace I found one, and then 28 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 3: I found a guy who restores them. 29 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 2: So I bought a couple of them. 30 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 3: And the neighborhood where I live in the kids are 31 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 3: living the gen X life. 32 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 2: They're oh yeah, free range. 33 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 3: They come home when the when the street lights come on, 34 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 3: they ride at a pack of boys, not getting into trouble. 35 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 3: They just they go from one house to the other house. 36 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 3: They get themselves snacks and drinks and whatever. And I 37 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 3: just look at that, and I look, I look back. 38 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 3: I mean, I bought my exact bike myself, and amazing. 39 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 3: We have a brewery near where I live, and my 40 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 3: son and I will ride to the Obviously he gets 41 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 3: non alcoholic beverages. But it's just to have that gen 42 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 3: X connect kid with one of my kids. 43 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 2: Awesome. 44 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 3: I find myself at night when I'm done prepping, just 45 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 3: watching old eighties movies and I don't know, I don't know. 46 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 3: I feel like we came from a very very special time. 47 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 3: The Last Innocent generation for the Internet. 48 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree completely. I think we had it made, 49 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: and especially because we kind of got both. We had 50 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 1: the internet too eventually, but we had the care free child. 51 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: And my kids are very similarly similarly living that Gen 52 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: X life. The only difference is they're allowed in the house. 53 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: Obviously none of us were allowed in the house. There 54 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 1: was no endless pirate booty or grabbing you know, water 55 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: or any any of that. You had to stay out there. 56 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: I love it. I think that's the way to have 57 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: kids now. And I think people who don't do that 58 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 1: and let their kids just like be screen you know, maniacs, 59 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: they're going to regret it. 60 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 3: I wonder sometimes though, if the connection is Reagan and Trump, right. 61 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 3: Ronald Reagan popularized conservatism and we had job growth, and 62 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 3: to me, the BMX bike was a symbol of our parents' 63 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 3: ability to provide us, you know something, you might call 64 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 3: it today a flex but our parents could afford those 65 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 3: things that Generally, the economy was good, the country felt safe. 66 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 3: It wasn't perfect, nothing is, but in an odd way, 67 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 3: I feel like we're in that second generation. Yeh time 68 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 3: now chapter with Donald Trump. 69 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: Right, it's morning in America again. 70 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:46,559 Speaker 3: Definitely weird though, right, weird weird, Yeah, weird interconnectivity. 71 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: There absolutely So how long have you been doing radio? 72 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 3: I started in nineteen ninety on what was called a 73 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 3: Carrier current radio station in a small two year college 74 00:03:58,160 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 3: in upstate New York. 75 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 2: It was my dream as a kid. 76 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 3: I knew the way some people know they want to 77 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 3: be a police officer, or they want to be a 78 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 3: doctor or whatever is I knew in the third grade 79 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 3: I wanted to I would stay up late at night. 80 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 3: We had this We called it a full service radio station, 81 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 3: so they played adult contemporary. They had a long Island 82 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 3: Islanders talk show, they covered the Islanders games, and it 83 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 3: was a full service AM and it was at the 84 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,359 Speaker 3: train station in the next town over for me, so 85 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 3: it was it was pretty accessible, and my mom would 86 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 3: take me to events where they were broadcasting live and 87 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 3: I just I was so absorbed by this radio station. 88 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 3: It was called twelve forty AMWGBB. And then of course, 89 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,799 Speaker 3: you know you had the late night shows like Hollywood 90 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 3: Love Lines and all this stuff on. 91 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember love Lines. 92 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 3: I got to Kelly working here, which was so bizarre. 93 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 3: But I obsessed over radio, and when I got into college. 94 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 3: I before I even unpacked my dorm, I went to 95 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 3: the college radio station. I had put my stuff in 96 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 3: my dorm me I went right down to the college 97 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 3: radio station, and I wanted in. 98 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 2: I want it in. I wanted in so bad. 99 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 3: And the problem was I wanted in so bad that 100 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 3: I filled out because all I wanted to do is 101 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 3: be at the radio station if somebody didn't want to 102 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 3: be on the air. I eventually became the program director, 103 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 3: and I spent so much time that my grades really 104 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 3: did suffer and I was embarrassed. 105 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 2: So I transferred home to a Long Island. 106 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 3: I went from Sunny del High to Sudney Farmingdale, which 107 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 3: is a two year college on Long Island, and I 108 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 3: immediately went to the radio station. They needed a program director. 109 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 3: I took over. I ended up getting an internship at 110 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 3: the old wdre Well lr DRI, the first commercial alternative 111 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 3: radio station. I was the morning show intern. So I 112 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 3: would go in around four thirty five o'clock in the morning. 113 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 3: I would help Darren Smith, who also worked here works here, 114 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 3: prep his show, and then I would go to school 115 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 3: and then I would go to the radio station. I'd 116 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 3: do my show. I would program other shows and I 117 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 3: knew that I had to. I don't know why I 118 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 3: thought I did. I needed a journal and degree. So 119 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 3: I applied to the University of Florida. I didn't get 120 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 3: in because they didn't have forgiveness, so failing out of 121 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 3: the first school, they counted it against the second school. 122 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 3: But a funny wrinkle was if I went to Santa 123 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 3: Fe Community College in Florida, they would forgive my past 124 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 3: failures and I could make up for it and get 125 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:32,679 Speaker 3: my associates. I did that, and I actually had a resume. 126 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 3: I had two radio stations. I had programmed carrier current 127 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 3: literally means it's just on campus, like it just doesn't 128 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 3: really go anywhere, right, And I got in and I 129 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,799 Speaker 3: eventually went out for Rock one oh four in Gainesville, 130 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 3: and that was my first taste of like big, big 131 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 3: loud FM radio. Fifty thousand watts went from near Orlando 132 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 3: to Tampa all the way up almost to Jacksonville, just 133 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 3: to I don't want to bore, are you with the 134 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 3: whole story all alight? 135 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 2: When I first graduated, I couldn't get arrested in this business. 136 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 3: I really thought, here I am, I'm a nighttime DJ 137 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 3: on a quasi college radio station Rock one OO four 138 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 3: was owned by the university, but it wasn't staffed like 139 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 3: a college radio station where it's just people playing whatever 140 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 3: they want. We had commercials, we had news, traffic, weather, 141 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 3: we had the Gator Football Network, and I actually my 142 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 3: first real taste. 143 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 2: Of getting somewhere. 144 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 3: And if we have time, we should talk about podcasting 145 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 3: and hard work. I was sitting in a meeting and well, 146 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 3: let me back this up a little bit more. 147 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 2: Sorry. 148 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 3: I went to read for this program director and he 149 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 3: handed me four cards and he said they're one through 150 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 3: four easiest, hardest. And I said, I'm gonna be your 151 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 3: in new morning show. And I flipped it right to 152 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 3: four and I started reading and he stops me. He 153 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 3: took his glasses off as he goes, you suck, and 154 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 3: you know my balloon had just popped. So I came 155 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 3: back for a second tryout, and I said, mister Guscott, 156 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 3: his name was Harry Guscott. I said, I will do 157 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 3: anything to be on this radio station. And let me 158 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 3: read the one card. So he said fine. I read 159 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 3: the cards. He said, you can go into a program 160 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 3: where you do you know, recorded breaks and stuff, and 161 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 3: if I like it, I'll put you on two am 162 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 3: to six am one day a week. Fine, I get that. 163 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 3: At the first STF meeting before the football season, have 164 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 3: the whole crowd in there, and he goes, I need 165 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 3: someone to work. And before he could say the word Saturday, 166 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 3: which is tailgate time, right, you can outside of the 167 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 3: bars and restaurants, Gainesville shuts down for tailgate time. I 168 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 3: went like this and just put my hand up. He goes, 169 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 3: all right, will cow you got it? And I was 170 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 3: the voice on the rock station before the voice of 171 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 3: the Florida Gators, Mick Hubert. And I realized then and 172 00:08:55,920 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 3: there by solving somebody else's problem, right, I willing, being 173 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 3: willing to do what nobody else wanted to do. 174 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 2: Everybody crossed another gen X trade. 175 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: I feel like, well, we were. 176 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 2: All gen x. 177 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 3: But yeah, that was how I started my path in 178 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 3: this business. I won't say that I was great a 179 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 3: natural to start, but I was willing to outwork anyone 180 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 3: who got in my way. I would work spring break, 181 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 3: I would miss spring break, winter break, any break you 182 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 3: want off, I'm in. I don't care what the circumstances 183 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 3: it was. And I took that philosophy after college to 184 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 3: rock radio I did a stint in Top forty in 185 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 3: the Panhandle. That's kind of unremarkable. But by the time 186 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 3: I landed in Morgantown, West Virginia, Oh wow. I came 187 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 3: to this sleepy radio station that that really it was 188 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 3: just sleepy, and I said, this is where I'm going 189 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 3: to make my mark. And I started doing basically a 190 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 3: morning show from from six pm to midnight or seven 191 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 3: pm to midnight and seven pm to midnight. And I 192 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 3: just started to pop in the ratings. And next thing 193 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 3: I know, I'm getting fired because the station owner's friend 194 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 3: didn't like my show. 195 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: Wow. 196 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 3: And that's how that's how I landed in Hartford. I 197 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 3: got a program director, Todd Thomas. He said to me, 198 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 3: you know, if you don't want to do the blue 199 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 3: humor thing, you want to do what you're doing, which 200 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 3: was a little bit mixture of you know, blue humor 201 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 3: and a little political commentary. Right this is pre nine 202 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 3: to eleven. He's like, I think we got something here. 203 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 3: And they brought me and they put me on the 204 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 3: mid day ten am to three pm, which is a 205 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 3: sleepy time morning drive after the Drive with O the 206 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 3: Real money Makers, and then midday is kind of like 207 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 3: you know, right. So I brought that with me and 208 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 3: then nine to eleven happed and I was on the 209 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 3: air every day hammering, hammering, hammering. 210 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 2: And this is Hartford, it's Connecticut, it's very Yeah. 211 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 3: The phone started to go nuts on a rock station, 212 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 3: on an alternative rock station. You know, we're we're playing 213 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 3: Dave Matthew's band, We're playing Pearl Jam or playing you know, 214 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 3: and next thing I know, I'm. 215 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 1: I'm They were calling to say, like we love this guy. 216 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 3: Well, some people, yeah, but we were getting a lot 217 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 3: of hate calls. The Scagell trial was a big thing, 218 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 3: and I kept calling them the inbreds. 219 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: Scagalle trial, for those who don't know, is a Kennedy 220 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: cousin was accused of murdering somebody. Actually we went a 221 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: way to prison for murdering this girl. But years and 222 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: years after it happened, it was a very sensational trial. Gone. 223 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 3: Sorry, I just kept calling them the inbreds from jap 224 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 3: Equitick and well, you know, it's New England. 225 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 2: They don't like that. And we realized I was getting 226 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 2: in trouble but not fined by the FCC. 227 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: That you the sweet spot. 228 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, two thousand and one This is pre podcasting. This 229 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 3: is still the dominance of rush and all that. Nobody 230 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 3: was doing this on a music station and getting attention 231 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 3: for it. But I wasn't getting in trouble right like 232 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 3: we were getting static. We were getting you know, good press, 233 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 3: bad press, but no problems with the FCC. And that 234 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 3: was the thing that my program director was looking for. 235 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 3: He wanted the shock value, but without any right and 236 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 3: that's what we did. I get a call from the 237 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 3: program director of seventy seven WABC, the biggest news talk 238 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 3: station in America, and he says, my name is Phil Boyce. 239 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 3: I'm the program director of WABC. I'd like to talk 240 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 3: to you about becoming a talk shows. I thought of pranks, 241 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 3: so I hung up the phone and he calls back 242 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 3: to the switchboard at the radio station, gets me on 243 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 3: the phone. Hecaus, listen to me very carefully. I'm Russia Limbond, 244 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 3: Sean Hannity's program director, and I want to. 245 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 2: Talk to you. 246 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 3: And I I always thought that radio was kind of 247 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 3: an ivory tower, but talk radio was the penthouse, right 248 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 3: that would be off limits to me. I never I 249 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 3: never thought in a million years that I would be 250 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 3: scouted way and next thing, I know, I'm doing a 251 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 3: fill in for Mark Levin when he was just the 252 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 3: noon to two on Sunday show. The program director says, 253 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 3: I need someone. I need to build a bench here, 254 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 3: and I've got a guy named Mark Levin. He's doing 255 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 3: a noon to two Sunday show. It's really starting to 256 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 3: pick up traction. But I got to make sure I 257 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 3: have somebody in the bullpen, you know, if he needs 258 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 3: a day off. 259 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 2: So next day, I know, I'm filling in for Mark Levin. 260 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: Wow. 261 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 4: More coming up with Andrew Wilcow. But first, it was 262 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 4: nearly two years ago the terrorists murdered more than twelve 263 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:38,359 Speaker 4: hundred innocent Israelis and took two hundred and fifty hostages. 264 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 4: Today it seems as if the cries of the dead 265 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 4: and dying have been drowned out by shouts of anti 266 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 4: Semitic hatred, and the most brutal attack on Jewish people 267 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 4: since the Holocaust has been forgotten. Yet as the world 268 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 4: looks away, a light shines in the darkness. It's a 269 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 4: movement of love and support for the people of Israel 270 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 4: called Flags a Fellowship, and it's organized by the International 271 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 4: Fellows of Christians and Jews, and on October fifth, just 272 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 4: a few weeks away, millions across America will prayer fully 273 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 4: plant an Israeli flag and honor and solidarity with the 274 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 4: victims of October seventh, twenty twenty three and their grieving families. 275 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 4: And now you can be part of the movement too. 276 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 4: To get more information about how you can join the 277 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 4: Flags of Fellowship movement, visit the Fellowship online at IFCJ 278 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 4: dot org. That's IFCJ dot org. More from the Carol 279 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 4: Markowitz Show coming up. 280 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: So the question I normally ask people to follow up on, 281 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: like you know, when they pursue their dreams, is was 282 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: there a plan B? Was there anything else that you 283 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: thought you would do? But you you've been wanting to 284 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: do this since you were a little kid. So I 285 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: guess the question for you really is do you feel 286 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: like you've made it? You now have two extremely popular shows, 287 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: have you made it? 288 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 3: In my mind, from where I started out and what 289 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 3: my expectations were, my goal was to be like an 290 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 3: air and drive DJ, premiering new songs and interviewing bands 291 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 3: and doing live broadcasts from conscience. That was where I 292 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 3: wanted to be. You know, I did see talk radio. 293 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 3: I did follow talk radio. I did love talk radio. 294 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 3: I just never thought I would be the one, you know, 295 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 3: doing it. Even though I had turned my music shows 296 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 3: into mini radio bits and breaks. I never thought that 297 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 3: I would get I would get this chance. That that 298 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 3: was something that I never thought the plan b was. 299 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 3: I found out the hard way. You don't really need 300 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 3: a journalism degree to practice journalism. 301 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I hear. You got a master's degree in 302 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: politics to do what I'm what I do and biggest 303 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: waste of money I've ever had. 304 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 3: So what I did was I got a degree in operations, 305 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 3: which was the business side. So I figured if I 306 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 3: floundered in any way, I could be a sales guy, 307 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 3: I could be a promotions guy. Maybe I would get 308 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 3: a shot at programming, you know, coaching new talent. 309 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 2: Whatever it was. 310 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 3: I thought, Okay, I'm taking these journalism classes, but I 311 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 3: don't really need them. I don't need to know how 312 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 3: to write a local piece about a shooting. Need I 313 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 3: need to figure out what's on the other side of this. 314 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 3: And I started to study the business side, thinking okay, well, 315 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 3: if one fails, at least I'll be in the field. 316 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 3: I studied, and that's what was my plan. 317 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: B what do you worry about what's on your mind now. 318 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 3: In the future of this business. That's where I was 319 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 3: gonna say about the hard work thing. And I'm not jealous, 320 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 3: I'm not insulting anyone. As a matter of fact, I 321 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 3: would have taken any opportunity that any of these these 322 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 3: rockstar podcasters would have taken had it been the opportunity. 323 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's not hard work. I'm not saying 324 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 2: that at all. 325 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 3: But the difference is the gatekeeping is a lot of 326 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 3: these people are starting up independent. Yes, they have talent 327 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 3: behind them, and they have marketing teams and algorithms and 328 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 3: that stuff, but they're It's kind of like bands that 329 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 3: are uploading their stuff on YouTube and not waiting for 330 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 3: the FM program directors to give them spins or hope 331 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 3: that MTV picks up their stuff. There's a way more independent, 332 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 3: even rebellious vibe to what you're doing right now, right 333 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 3: the working overnights, giving up your weekend, sleeping on the 334 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 3: station couch. I remember at one point I had to 335 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 3: when I was in West Virginia. I would have to 336 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 3: go to the municipal garage, pull the station van out, 337 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 3: drive the station van to an event, set up all 338 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 3: the equipment, do the broadcast, break it down, blah blah blah, 339 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 3: all for twenty five bucks. I got an er twenty 340 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 3: five bucks. Ye, my paycheck for doing all of that. 341 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,479 Speaker 3: And you know when you think, like, man, this is 342 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 3: not big time. I'm setting up equipment, I'm putting the 343 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 3: table out, I'm folding, I'm doing everything here, and now 344 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 3: I'm interviewing the manager of the food line and the 345 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 3: parking lot or something, right, And I just. 346 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 2: Kept myself, that's the stuff you got to do. That's 347 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 2: the stuff you got to do. That's the stuff you 348 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 2: got to do. But I don't know, maybe I'm naive. 349 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 2: I feel like this generation of content creators didn't have 350 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 2: to do any of that. 351 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 3: They and God and God bless them, because no, yeah, 352 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 3: I mean yes. 353 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 1: God bless them. But you could see the ones that 354 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:21,199 Speaker 1: never worked in any other kind of capacity, Like I 355 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 1: feel like you could tell. 356 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:25,959 Speaker 3: All I know is that if if if somebody handed 357 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 3: me that thirty years ago, twenty five years ago, I 358 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 3: would have I probably would have jumped on it. And 359 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:33,439 Speaker 3: you know, I've I've had look, I've had people say, 360 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 3: why don't you do this? 361 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 2: And why don't you do that? 362 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 3: And you know, when you have such an it's. 363 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 2: Not it's an unstable business, but it's a shaky business. 364 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 2: I mean, they're here today, gone tomorrow types. There are 365 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 2: some people that are so rock solid and you know, 366 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 2: really unflappable in their careers, and God blessed those people too. 367 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 2: You asked me what I worry about. My wife said 368 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 2: to me the other day, if it wasn't for this, 369 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 2: what would you do right like right now? And I 370 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 2: said right now? I said, I don't know. I was 371 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 2: never designed to wear khaki pants. 372 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: And maybe you'd be building BMX bike. 373 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 2: I might be. You know, I've I've worked in the 374 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,199 Speaker 2: well part of being a rock DJ. Believed it. I 375 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 2: was also a bartender and a bouncer. 376 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 3: And I worked, I believe it, Yeah, jobs just to 377 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 3: make ends by my salary as the full time nighttime 378 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 3: DJ on an FM rock station in West Virginia was 379 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 3: thirteen thousand dollars a year. 380 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 2: That's so I had to work two extra jobs just 381 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 2: to pay rent. 382 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if you want to discuss it at all, 383 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 3: but I did DJ and two strip clubs at one point. 384 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: All right, talk about it. 385 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 2: That was well, all right. 386 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 3: In my stint in Top forty radio, I was making 387 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 3: six bucks an hour. I was working two shifts on 388 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 3: the weekend six bucks an hour. And one of the 389 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 3: people at work said, Hey, you know they just fired 390 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 3: the DJ over the blah blah blah strip club. You 391 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,239 Speaker 3: know you could probably get that job like today. So 392 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 3: I drive over there and I had five hundred CDs 393 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,959 Speaker 3: at the time, and I had my own DJ system 394 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 3: and I go into this club and they were like, 395 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 3: they hired me on the spot, and you want to 396 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 3: talk about what makes I will tell you this working 397 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 3: there may be more conservative. Maybe truly, the things I saw. 398 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: I feel like this should not exist. 399 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 2: It was. 400 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 3: It was the argument that some feminists would make that 401 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 3: you know, this is an abusive industry. Some of these women, 402 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 3: when you speak to them for five minutes, you know 403 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 3: why they are here working at strippers. I worked eight 404 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 3: hours a night, six nights a week, behind a DJ booth, 405 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 3: calling out the girls by name, hosting bachelor parties. I 406 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 3: had seen some things that you would not believe. I 407 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 3: actually thought about writing a book called Confessions of a 408 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 3: Strip Club DJ. 409 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 1: Why social conservatives, you should totally do that. That is 410 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: a best seller. 411 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 2: Are waiting to happen this stuff I saw. 412 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 3: I don't even know what your tolerance is for some 413 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 3: of it on this program. 414 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 1: I have a high tolerance. 415 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 3: Let's just say I saw, I saw some stuff and 416 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 3: it was a it was a pretty weird time. 417 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 2: I'm like, here I am. I'm twenty five years old, 418 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 2: I'm a. 419 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 3: Suburban raised Long Island kid, I graduated college and here 420 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 3: I am spinning tracks at a strip club. And that 421 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 3: was that was That was a that was I don't 422 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 3: know if it was a low point or a teaching 423 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:33,360 Speaker 3: point or what. 424 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 2: You'd call it. I think that battle hardened me. 425 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: Yes, I think you love stuff. Yeah, I think teaching 426 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: point is actually exactly what that is. And you know, 427 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: I think don't have obviously don't have any regrets about it, 428 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: and you should absolutely write that book. 429 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 3: The funny thing is after working there, I never went 430 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 3: to a bachelor party ever again. 431 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 2: Wow, I would go to the dinner. I would go. 432 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 3: I was like, if you guys are off to one 433 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 3: of those places, I'm I don't every want to say footing. 434 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: In a get Oh, I'm serious. You should write this. 435 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 3: Up, but this is like, yeah, it's like working in 436 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 3: the kitchen of a really bad restaurant. Once you see 437 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 3: too many things, Once you once you know how the 438 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 3: burghers made you, probably you don't want to. You don't 439 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 3: want it. You don't want to, you don't want any 440 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 3: of it. That's that battle hardened me. 441 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break and be right 442 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 1: back on the Carol Marcoitch Show. What advice would you 443 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: give your sixteen year old self? Having done all this 444 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: looking back, what a sixteen year old Andrew need to know? 445 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 2: See? I thought a lot about that. 446 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 3: If I gave myself that advice, I might not have 447 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 3: followed the path that I followed and ended up where 448 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 3: I ended up. If I I'm looking at my daughter, 449 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 3: my oldest daughter, she'll be sixteen. She went from being 450 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 3: the I don't care about school kid right Her mind 451 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 3: was anywhere but school. She rebelled against school. She didn't 452 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 3: care about school, she didn't care about her grades. And 453 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:05,719 Speaker 3: she had this moment when people started talking about colleges 454 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 3: or older brothers and. 455 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 2: Sisters going off to college. 456 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 3: And I said to her, I said, you know, the 457 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 3: tape starts the day you walk into ninth grade. Actually 458 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 3: it started in eighth grade. Because her teachers had to 459 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 3: make recommendations to the high school teachers. And next thing 460 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 3: I know, she is as being introspective as a fifteen 461 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 3: year old, fourteen year old kid could be. 462 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 2: And now she's a merit honor student. 463 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: Wow. 464 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,959 Speaker 3: Something clicked in her brain that like, maybe I'm going 465 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 3: to get left behind or you know, my friends are 466 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 3: going to go off and do things. And I said 467 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 3: to her, look, the only you know, college is not 468 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 3: the only thing out there. But you know, I said 469 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 3: to her, it should be up to you. Yeah, And 470 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 3: if I could look back at myself at sixteen, whether 471 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 3: you want to go to college or not, whether you 472 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 3: want to go into a trade, start a business, do work, 473 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 3: whatever it is, I would probably have told myself to 474 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 3: take some of this stuff more seriously. 475 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: At the sounds like you were very serious, though it 476 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: doesn't sound like you weren't serious. 477 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 2: I was. I was. 478 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 3: I was serious about what I wanted to do. I 479 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 3: don't know that I was serious about how I. 480 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 2: Was supposed to do it. 481 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 3: And you know, I had teachers that would say, you know, Andrew, 482 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 3: you're really smart, but you don't apply yourself and you know, 483 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 3: stuff like that, and I just I didn't like being 484 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 3: in class, And I also argue with anyone who says 485 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 3: there's no such a thing as auditory learning. I would 486 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,360 Speaker 3: be staring out the window and a teacher said, mister Wilcow. 487 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,439 Speaker 2: What did I just say? And I'd repeat it, Oh yeah, 488 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 2: and here I am today. 489 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: I would say, I think men are very good at 490 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 1: that playback. I'm like my husband when I'm like, you're 491 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: not listening to me, He's like, this is what you 492 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: just said. 493 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 3: My wife tries to catch me in that. But yeah, 494 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 3: you know, I look at it, like, look what I do. 495 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 3: I considered myself an auditory learner. I listened. I didn't 496 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 3: watch as much, but I think I would have. I 497 00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 3: would tell myself to take to take school a little 498 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 3: bit more seriously. Maybe not you know, fall in love, 499 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 3: but not not this discredit what you know. 500 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 2: And but I see it to my daughter. I see 501 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 2: it in my daughter. She's working real hard. She does. 502 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's probably the advice I would give myself. 503 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that. I mean again, I think you 504 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: sound like you were a serious kid. But I mean 505 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 1: what teenager couldn't take a little little advice to be 506 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: a little more serious. 507 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 3: It's funny growing up my parents My dad was what 508 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 3: you'd call probably more libertarian, but he never said this 509 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 3: is how you're going to think in this household. 510 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: Right. 511 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 2: I approached my kids. I don't tell them name. Yeah, 512 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 2: but I. 513 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 3: Dressed the part of heavy metal and punk rock. I 514 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 3: wore combat boots. 515 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: I wore it too. 516 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I had my hair was in any 517 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 3: different array of weirdness, and everybody thought I was on drugs. 518 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 2: Everybody thought I was kind of a. 519 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 3: Delinquent, you know, John Bender from There's Your gen X, 520 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 3: John Bender from the Breakfast Club, when really I wasn't 521 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 3: at all. I hadn't I have. I'll confess to you, 522 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 3: I've never smoked marijuana. I've never done drugs. I was 523 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 3: laser focused on what I thought was going to be 524 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 3: a rate radio career. 525 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 2: But I looked like what I looked like, And. 526 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 3: I guess teachers don't take you seriously when you look 527 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,199 Speaker 3: like that, especially if they were in their forties and 528 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 3: fifties back in the eighties. So that I was serious. 529 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 3: But I guess maybe I was discounted because of my 530 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 3: appearance at the time. 531 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: Very gen X complaint. 532 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 3: Really, yeah, you know, heavy metal fans turned out to 533 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 3: be pretty productive members of society. 534 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,120 Speaker 1: Really that was me also I was also a heavy 535 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: metal fan. I absolutely we are very productive members of society. 536 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 1: So what we like to dress a little funny back 537 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: back in the day, But. 538 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 2: That was nice. Take school a little bit more seriously, Well, Andrew. 539 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: I have loved this conversation. I think you are fantastic. 540 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: Leave us here with your best tip for my listeners 541 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: on how they can improve their lives. 542 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 3: All right, So on my on my radio program, I 543 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 3: do a thing called the every Man King and that's 544 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 3: where you you enjoy something that you've earned. I always say, 545 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 3: own what you earn, Earn what you own. Take pleasure 546 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 3: in that. Like when when I went out and bought 547 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 3: I bought a used boat and I found I was 548 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 3: sitting on the back of the boat docked with a 549 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 3: cigar in my hand to other dads. We're just talking 550 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 3: and someone said this is paradise and I'm like, here 551 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 3: we are sitting on this fifteen year old. 552 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 2: Boat on a lake. 553 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 3: But I I always say, appreciate, don't get caught up 554 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 3: in you know, instagramah bakery. There are the simple pleasures. 555 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 3: There's a reason why it's called the simple pleasure. There's 556 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 3: a reason why it's called cheap thrills. I doesn't matter 557 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 3: how much money I make in this business. And I'm 558 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 3: not saying that just to be one of those people. 559 00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 3: Didn't Grace. She's like, I don't do for the money. Yeah, 560 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 3: I do for the money, but I don't have super 561 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:09,719 Speaker 3: flashy tastes. I drive a Ford F one fifty pickup. 562 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:14,640 Speaker 2: It's a raptor. But I don't. 563 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 3: Feel like, oh my god, somebody else has more than me, 564 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 3: and I'm gonna be dissatisfied. I'm going to walk around, 565 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 3: you know, kicking rocks because I don't have the biggest house, 566 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 3: and I don't have the fanciest car, and my kids 567 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 3: aren't tiktoking. 568 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 2: From you know, bor or something. 569 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 3: I truly believe you will be happier if you look 570 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 3: around at the things you have and the things you 571 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 3: wanted to have that you achieved and say, you know what, 572 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 3: it's all right, it's all right, this is this is good. 573 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 3: I think Instagram. I think, look, we've all been marketed 574 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 3: to since the day we were born that you're supposed 575 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 3: to be dissatisfied with your life until you buy this. 576 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 3: And I think at some point you have to you 577 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 3: have to recognize the good. 578 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 2: The satisfying thing is the things that bring you pleasure. 579 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 3: If you've got a classic car, or a motorcycle, or 580 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 3: a jet ski or a vaight, or you got a 581 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 3: vacation property, whatever it is that you said, you know, 582 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 3: I want it. I'm gonna work for it. I earned it. 583 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 3: It's now mine. 584 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 2: But it doesn't matter if anybody else is impressed with it. 585 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 3: It doesn't matter if it's the stuff of Instagram, you know, popularity. 586 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 2: Do you enjoy it, then embrace the fact that you 587 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 2: would enjoy it. 588 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: I love that, and I think that that applies to 589 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: so many things. I think a lot of relationships don't 590 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: happen among young people right now because they don't like 591 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: how the person looks with them on Instagram. I think 592 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. Don't care about what other people think. 593 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: Just do what makes you happy. He is Andrew Wilkou. 594 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: Check him out at the Wilkout Majority on Serious exem 595 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: Patriot Radio and on Wilkow on the Salem News Channel. 596 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Andrew, loved to any time you 597 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 2: got to come back out with me. 598 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: Absolutely, any time