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This is not an emergency podcast, but 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:26.160 it kind of feels like an emergency podcast. That's because 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:32.400 the boxing landscape shifted on Wednesday of this week. Before Wednesday, 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:36.760 the biggest storyline in boxing was Connor Ben versus Chris 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:41.600 you Bank Jr. A family feud taken to the next generation. 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:46.639 Two rivals facing off with history behind them. You've got 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:50.120 the son of Nigel Ben the son of Chris you 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:54.160 Bank Jr. Two fighters that fought two excellent fights in 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:57.080 the early ninety nineties. They were set to square off 0:01:57.280 --> 0:02:02.720 on Saturday as that rivalry passed on to another generation. 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:05.920 It was supposed to be a huge event. Oh two 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:09.320 Arena in London was sold out. Eddie Hearn, the promoter, 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:11.560 was talking about the fight doing over a million pay 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:14.440 per view buys. Everyone was excited about it. We were 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:17.120 going to talk about it, break it down from every angle. 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:22.440 And then on Wednesday everything changed. Connor Ben he tested 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:26.400 positive for clomaphine, which is a banned substance known to 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:31.280 increase testosterone levels in men. On Thursday, you had the 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:36.079 British Boxing Board of Control announcing that they would not 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:40.240 sanction this fight, that they would in fact prohibit this 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:43.600 fight from happening, and then late on Thursday you had 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:46.680 the news that this fight was going to be postponed. 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:50.239 So now it is a totally different story. It is 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:54.160 all about Connor Ben, what happened and the future of 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:56.200 Connor Ben. So I want to bring in a couple 0:02:56.240 --> 0:03:00.240 of guys that I'm sure we'll have unique perspectives on this. 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:03.919 Audio Ladipo is a long time broadcaster, part of the 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:07.240 Zone broadcast team over in the UK as well. He's 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:09.440 had his boots on the ground all week long. I've 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:13.360 been covering this event and the subsequent fallout backwards and forwards. 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:16.799 He joins me. Sergio Mora forward Junia middleweight champion to 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:19.920 ZONN broadcaster, good friend of the podcast, he is here 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:22.639 as well, and Audio, I want to start with you. 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:25.880 You've been there all week long. You've watched this whole 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:30.120 uh fiasco unfold over the last couple of days. Take 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:33.519 us inside what's been going on over in the UK 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:39.160 this week. It's been um, it's been crazy, It really 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:42.640 has been. It's it's the mood has changed. It started 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:46.200 as a surprise, the mont of you, just because they 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:49.680 build up for the last month has been fantastic, right, 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:53.480 It's really captured the public's imagination. I think as as 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:57.240 a sports, boxing always seems to struggle against I guess 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:01.720 in America, you know American football and basketball and baseball, 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:04.480 and over here it struggles to compete against football soccer. 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:08.200 So when it does compete, you jump on the bandwagon. 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:10.040 And a lot of people have jumped on the bandwagon 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:12.680 just because of obviously the name and you guys will 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:16.120 understand the history between the fathers, and everyone's been really excited. 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:19.760 So it started as a surprise, like what this must 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:24.640 be a joke? Two anger, how has this happened until 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:27.360 I guess where we are today, which is just disappointment, 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:31.040 like disappointment that the fights now off, which I think 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:34.120 is right, and I guess we'll touch on that, but 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:37.680 also disappointment for the undercard fighters and Surgio will understand this. 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:39.880 Guys that are not going to get paid. Guys and girls, sorry, 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:42.479 they're not going to get paid, that have spent thousands 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:45.680 on camps and I guess contractually, and I spoke to 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:48.000 a few of them, if they don't weigh in, they 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:50.919 don't get paid. Um, these are these are guys and 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:54.040 girls that don't have big sponsors that sort of live 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:57.040 paycheck to paycheck when it comes to boxing, and there 0:04:57.640 --> 0:05:02.560 extremely upset um I to pursue Banks promoted Kellie Soland 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:05.919 today and he was as angry as you can be 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:09.279 if I'm honest to view, just because this fight generates 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:10.800 a lot of money for them. Not only does it 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:12.520 generate a lot of money, generates a lot of interest 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:14.840 and that's what they're trying to do with Christy Bean Junior. 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:18.560 So everyone's upset. There's a number of different broadcasters who have, 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:22.320 you know, sort of committed to the fight and they're 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:26.840 very upset. And again everyone's just angry here, Chris, because 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:29.000 this is the fight we were looking forward to in 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:32.200 terms of sort of the magnitude of it. It sold 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:34.559 out the O two Arena, which the twenty thousand seat 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:39.039 seat to arena here in minutes gone, tickets gone, big 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:41.360 name superstars from the water of Entertainment were going to 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:44.200 be ringside. This was it. This was the zones first 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:47.040 pay per view event in the UK with Mattrium. Obviously 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:49.120 they've done the care so I want, but with mattrim 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:52.080 So everything was all systems go. And for it to 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:55.800 be pulled two days before that, it's just a disappointment 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:59.600 for everyone. Sergery, what was your reaction to Carter Ben's 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:03.279 part of test? It was terrible. I was disappointed because 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:05.839 I think the world of Connor. Then we talked about, 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:08.960 you know, how how great of a star. You know, 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:13.520 he's gonna be the potential. He has his recent knockout victories. Uh, 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:17.839 every every performance is getting better and better and better. 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:22.680 And uh, he has the looks, and he has the ability, 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:25.359 he has the charisma, which is something you can't teach, 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:27.880 and he just looks good on camera, and he looks 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:30.480 good knocking guys out. But this is just a bad 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:33.360 look on him and his reputation because you can't just 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:36.719 dust this off. The thing about cheating is, you know, 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:39.320 it's always going to be that that scarlet letter. It's 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:41.600 always gonna be branded that your name is always going 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:44.520 to be attached to it. No matter how great you 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:48.480 become from here on, there's always gonna be critics. I say, yeah, 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:52.960 but he tested you know, positive for so and so 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:56.320 in two thousand twenty two. Uh, there's always gonna be 0:06:56.320 --> 0:07:00.840 a suspicion. So, just like when any criminal does anything wrong, 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:03.240 it's always gonna have that record. It's always gonna be 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:05.880 on his record, so he's gonna have that blemish, And 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:08.800 sadly to say, no matter where Connor Benning goes from here, 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:13.520 whether he donates money, whether he comes back and does 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:17.440 VOTA testing for all his tests and apologizes to the fan, 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:19.440 this is all he can do. But he's still going 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:22.400 to have that stigma of, man, you cheated, You cheated 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:24.080 us on a big night where it should have been 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:27.400 historic and we just didn't get it. And the closer 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:30.640 gets to the fight, like Adio was talking about, the 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:32.920 worst it hurts. I've been there before. I have two 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:35.520 championship fights canceled the week of the fight and it 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:39.080 tears you up. Man x, I can't even imagine what 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:42.320 the undercard UH fighters are doing a feeling as well, 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:45.480 especially if they have a travel abroad. It's a disaster 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:49.400 for everybody, all because of a lie, All because a 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:52.480 fighter decided to take a shortcut, and in boxing there 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:56.000 is no fucking shortcuts. Man, I can cuss here, so 0:07:56.040 --> 0:07:59.760 I'm piste off. I want to unpack something with you, 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:05.200 because this was a positive test that was reported in 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:08.240 the Daily Mail that came out on Wednesday over in 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:12.040 the UK, but this was not a test that was 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:15.560 reported in real time. It didn't happen this week. It 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:19.320 happened according to Kellie Serlind, the co promoter of this event, 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:24.200 in late August or early September, and after it happened, 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:28.480 the two sides were notified by VADA, which is required 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:33.559 to notify both sides whether there is a positive test. UM. 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:39.920 So it strikes me that if The Daily Mail doesn't 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:44.199 report this, that this fight would be happening on Saturday, 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:48.640 because both sides we're told about the test, both sides 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:50.840 discussed it, they elected to move forward with the christ 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:55.360 You Bank Jr. Said he would continue on with the fight. Um. 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:58.760 It just seems like if the Daily Mail doesn't report 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:02.840 this story, then the fight happens and maybe we never 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:06.080 find out about the positive test of Connor Ben. Is 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:10.000 that how you interpret this? Yeah? Absolutely, And look, I 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:12.920 mean for someone that sort of works on the broadcast, 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:16.040 I feel like my position and it's been very difficult 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:18.880 in the last couple of days because look, obviously we 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:20.839 all worked for the Zoe and I I report on 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:23.400 the fights for Matt from and I've been in a 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:26.120 different position where I'm like, one second, okay, let's understand 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:30.000 this and unpack it. Chris You Banks Senior, Connor's sorry, 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:33.720 Christi Bank's dad has been sort of away from this event, 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:36.360 and every time I spoke to see Christi Mank Jr. 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:39.199 Said like, where's your father? What's what's going on? Because 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:42.319 Nigel ben has been with Connor Benning camp and he's like, well, 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:44.680 you know, my dad is not really wanted to get 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:48.560 involved in A couple of days ago, um, CHRISI Bank 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:52.520 Senior spoke to a former fight called Spencer Fearing that 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:55.760 works for another broadcast, and he said, boycott the event. 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:58.679 And I was like, what's going on? Like boycott the event? 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:00.959 And I initially thought he was talking about the weight cut. 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:03.640 I was like, okay, look, you know, I get it. 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:05.760 The weight cuts are tough cut, but come on, let's 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:09.240 calm down a bit. He clearly knew about this from 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:12.120 a month ago, and he was clearly not wanting to 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:15.240 be a part of what he called a circus act, 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:17.160 and he's not been wanting to be a part of 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:21.040 it for a month for whatever reason. He couldn't explain why, 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:23.440 whether that be an n DA or whatever, but it 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:26.520 was obviously about this, so they've clearly known about this, 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:28.960 and I think that's what has really angered a lot 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:31.920 of people. I mean, they've gone on TV to try 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:34.840 and promote it, they've done a red carpet event. Well 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:38.079 all whilst they've been doing all this, behind the scenes, 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:41.679 there's been a fell drug tist and I think, look, 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:43.440 Eddie is one of the greatest speakers in the world. 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:47.880 I think Eddie uh Kelly from Westernan Boxing, Connor and 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:49.280 Chris are going to have to answer a lot of 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:52.240 tough questions now that we know about this, in the 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:55.720 next couple of days, because I think personally that's and 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:57.680 you know, now I know that we're allowed to swell. 0:10:57.679 --> 0:11:00.080 I think that's a fucking disgrace. And I think I 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:03.760 think it's a disgrace that voter of flagged someone and 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:06.520 everyone should trying to sweep this under the carpet. And 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:10.280 I think the boxing and we we all cover the sport, 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:13.520 it's it's you know, we always try to defend the sport, 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:18.520 but this is indefensible. Someone has popped for something and 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:20.560 you guys just trying to continue an event. And I 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:22.480 get it, it's a big money event and everyone wants 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:25.560 to get paid, but to continue like nothing has happened, 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:31.240 and for the Daily Mail paper to come and report it. 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:33.760 If it didn't. If the Daily Mail didn't report this, 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:36.480 we would have a fight on Saturday and no one 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:39.199 would have known that a fighter have test depositive for 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:42.760 something that's on the badness Sergio, this is not the 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:47.440 first time that a promoter has tried to plow ahead 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:50.440 with an event after a positive test. I was in 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:53.680 New York back in two thousand and twelve when Danny 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:58.640 Garcia fought Eric Morales after Morales tested positive for a 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:02.880 band substance. Or recently we had Oscar Valdez is title 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:06.440 defense UH that went ahead against Ropes and can say 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:09.839 so after Veldez tested positive for a band sub So 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:13.840 this this happens, um But as a fighter, do you 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:17.880 have a problem with a promoter kind of pushing ahead 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:21.720 with an event like this? Because what Connor Ben took 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:25.959 is a p D. It is a performance enhancer. This 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:31.000 drug for men, is a testosterone booster for women. It 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:36.080 is a fertility drug for men. It has no medical application, 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:40.000 and repeat that it has no medical application. It is 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:44.000 a testosterone booster that bodybuilders have used in the past 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:47.360 that some M M A stars have used in the past, 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:51.720 So he was taking something to give him an extra 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:54.680 benefit going into this fight. So, as a fighter, how 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:58.959 do you feel about a promoter trying to go forward 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:02.640 with an event like this after a positive test. Well, 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:06.240 it's a slippery slope. He romantics, because look, I can 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:07.880 only speak as a fighter. I can tell you how 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:10.360 a fighter feels. Now you're talking about you know, these 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:12.920 are different shoes to feel. I don't know how a 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:18.240 promoter supposed to feel. He his job. I'm gonna get 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:21.480 to that. A promoter, you gotta understand, you know, he 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:23.440 needs to do whatever it takes to save the show. 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:26.560 You know, they have their own you know, struggles, and 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:29.079 they have their own morals and own scruples, but they 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:32.000 gotta put on a show and they're they're don't have 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:34.439 bad reputations like dog King had a bad reputation for 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:36.480 a long time, Bob Baram. Everyone has a lot of 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:38.080 bad things to say about a lot of promoters, but 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:39.560 they have a job to do and that's put on 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:42.120 the show no matter what, as long as it all 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:45.320 clears with the commission. So I get what they're doing. 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:47.719 As a fighter, I can tell you right now, if 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:49.600 I was the opponent, if Al was Chris you Banks 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:52.640 the opponent, I would still want to fight. I didn't 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:55.120 want to throw away at camp and all the money 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:57.160 I spent in the camp with the sparring partners, all 0:13:57.200 --> 0:13:59.480 the time that I that I sacrifice with my family, 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:01.760 get down to a weight that I'm not comfortable in. 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:04.680 All these things aren't gonna go out the window just 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:06.520 because of a phild dug test. I would have said, 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:08.640 fuck it, bring it on, let's go. It would have 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:11.000 been similar to like when all did from on the 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:16.360 Bargains Now the wargat pop Pop Positive and Ascaria Poetic 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:18.600 Justice beat the ship out of him. Not only did 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:20.080 he beat the hell out of a drug user and 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:22.160 a cheap but he beat the hell out of him 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:25.360 knowing that that that he was all ripped up. We've 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:27.800 never seen from on the Bargains that ripped He looked 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:32.480 like Honor Men looks on his Instagram videos. But it 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:34.720 as a fighter, I can tell you all it all 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:37.200 comes down to what type of person you're dealing with. 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:38.960 If it would have been me, I would have said, 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:41.400 I don't care, man, let's go, just you know, give 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:44.760 me of your purse. Let's get it on somehow, some way. 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:47.600 Let let the show go on, because you know it's 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:50.080 still still a big fight. A lot of people are 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:53.680 gonna be disappointed. Yes, I'm I'm bending my morals, but 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:55.560 I'm still gonna get the chance to kick the ship 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:57.520 out of this cheater, So you know, it could be 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:00.640 poetic justice and I can still get paid. I get 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:04.840 that perspective. I respect that perspective. As a fighter, you 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:06.720 want to get paid for the work you put in. 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:09.680 You do two months of a hard camp. Of course, 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:12.080 you want to find a way to make the fight happens. 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:15.320 You get that money into your pocket. But Ada, a 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:17.800 promoter has got to be more responsible, doesn't he. A 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:22.320 promoter has to be looking out for the health of 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:27.480 these fighters. I mean, Connor Ben isn't just beating guys. 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:31.920 He's beating guys viciously. The Chris Algery knockout, the Chris 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:34.640 van here to knock out. Can you imagine if this 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:40.840 fight went forward and Connor Ben badly hurt Chris, you 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:44.160 bank like, did something to him that had long a 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:46.880 long term effect, and then it was reported after the 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:50.360 fact that they knew that Connor Bennett tested positive for 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:53.920 a band substance. That's the kind of thing that people 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:58.040 could go to jail for. It's that serious. So promoters 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:01.840 like it just feel is like a big risk for 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:04.800 them to take. I know there's a lot of money 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:06.880 on the line. I know there's a lot of steak, 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:09.840 but when you have a guy that tests positive or 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:11.680 something like this, it just feels like too big a 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:15.440 risk to move forward with with an event. Yeah it is. 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:17.400 And and this this is why it needs to be 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:20.240 out the hands of the promoters and the fighters um 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:22.600 because the promoters that surgeoys said, they're in it for 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:25.280 and and look some might say rightly so to make 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:28.160 it as much money as possible for a the broadcasters 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:30.800 themselves and the fighters for the fighters like Surgerys said, 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:33.400 you've had a in Chris you Bank's case, a two 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:36.080 month camp. You want to get paid, you know. I 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:39.320 mean we're hearing a fee of around maybe three and 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:41.640 a half million pounds for Christian Bating Junior. I want 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:43.880 that money. I want that money. I signed on the 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:46.560 dotted line pay me because I've done everything I could do. 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:51.080 This is where the governing body, so the British Boxing 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:53.320 would have Control need to take sort of step in 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:55.400 and say, okay, look, we have found that there was 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:58.760 an adverse finding. We're calling this off so we're not 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:01.160 leaving it to the hands of Eddie Hearn Mattrium to 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:05.280 Zone was Simon boxing the fighters. We're doing it as 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:09.040 the governing body and we're saying no. And they didn't. 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:11.639 Obviously they have subsequently. This is only a couple of 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:14.240 days ago, but they would have known about that adverse 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:18.760 finding when we Siman and Mattrium found out, which we're 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:21.240 hearing now is about a month ago. They should have 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:23.520 been the ones that kind of put their foot forward 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:26.920 and said, okay, look the fights off because you're right, 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:29.800 the promoters aren't going to do it, and I in 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:33.040 in the horrible world, I understand why, and the fighters 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:34.800 aren't going to do it. The fighters just want to fight. 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:38.560 I mean we've you know, Surgery spoke about the situation 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:42.360 with Argus and Oscar Delois. He also remember the Antonio 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:45.440 margherity O shame Mosey thing when they found him to 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:47.760 applaster Paris in his hands. But they still went ahead 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:50.840 because fighters want to fight. So British Boxing Board of 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:54.960 Control needed to step in and just handle this situation better, 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:58.760 and they didn't. It was they handed it awfully and 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:01.960 they they they need to be kind of held up 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:04.840 in court as well, if you like, because the way 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:06.800 in which they've dealt with this situation the last sort 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:10.800 of month now has been ridiculous. Ad I want to 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:15.120 follow up on something, uh. You mentioned that Connor Ben 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:18.960 is going to have to answer some tough questions over 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:22.119 the next few weeks. The toughest, or at least the 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:28.000 most significant one, is how this substance got into his system. 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:32.200 What I found interesting this week is that you did 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:37.480 not hear an explanation from either Eddie Hearn or Connor Bent. 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:42.800 And that's interesting because again, this was a test result 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:47.239 that they have known about for several weeks now, and 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:49.480 you would think that over the course of a few 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:54.320 weeks they would have tried to find out what it was, 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:56.960 or at least have come up with something that might 0:18:57.000 --> 0:19:00.479 be believable in the events something like this happened. But 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:03.800 you didn't get that, and Connor Ben is going to 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:07.119 have to explain it because this is a serious substance. 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:10.600 To my knowledge, and I admit I'm not a nutritionist 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:16.119 or a doctor whatever, but my Internet research and what 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:19.520 I'm reading from other experts suggests that this is the 0:19:19.640 --> 0:19:23.160 kind of substance that only gets into your system in 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:28.240 some kind of pill form. So the usual excuses, the 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:33.440 tainted meat, the tainted herbal t the lace supplement, all 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:35.480 the things that you often hear from fighters who test 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:39.960 positive for banned substance. It's gonna be tough to sell 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:42.480 that if you're Connor Ben, and that's gonna be something 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:45.080 he's gonna have to to to sell to the public. 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:49.879 If he's going to restore his reputation, He's gonna have 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:52.520 to come up with something believable, isn't he Yeah, And 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:55.200 you know, you know what's scary is that you mentioned 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:58.200 a few sort of statements he could through out there. 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:00.000 He's not used any of those. And I'm like, well, 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:02.760 and I said this, I'm a I'm a big fan 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:04.600 of kind of Ben. I think surgery Moore mentioned at 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:07.360 the top, like, I'm a big fan of his dad, 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:09.600 and just almost because of that, I'm a big fan 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:11.560 of kind of Ben. I've had him here in my studio, 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:14.119 I've spoke to him sort of outside of boxing on 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:16.840 numerous occasions, and it's been difficult for me, But I 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:18.720 said kind of Ben needs to come out and say something, 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:21.439 not a written statement which is obviously written by a 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:25.320 lawyer from the He needs to come out and saying 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:30.199 how that got into his system needs to whether or 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:32.280 not we believe it or understand it, he needs to 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:34.720 do it. The idea of just sort of going home, 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:37.080 shutting the door and closing the curtains isn't gonna work 0:20:37.080 --> 0:20:40.240 here because a lot of people have spent a lot 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:43.239 of money, not just buying tickets what you're gonna get 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:45.320 a refund for, but traveling abroad to watch this fight. 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:47.600 I know people that have booked hotels. They're not getting 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:50.600 that money back. There's fans of kind of Bend that 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:53.439 have brought his merchandise. You need to come out and 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:56.320 say what's going on. The idea of just sort of 0:20:56.400 --> 0:20:58.919 hiding and that's kind of what he's doing here, hiding 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:03.200 behind social media isn't gonna work. You've spent a long 0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:07.560 time building up this fantastic reputation and becoming this new 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:11.480 star of boxing. That's all crumbling beneath you right now 0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:15.160 unless you come out and say something. And I think 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:19.280 sometimes silence is the worst thing. The fact you're not 0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:22.320 saying anything, almost as a sign of guilt. The fact 0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:25.840 that you can't think of something to say is a problem. 0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:28.120 And I know you. You mentioned Eddie and this isn't 0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:31.200 an Eddie Heard issue. Eddie herns the promoter that there's 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:34.240 Connor Ben's got his own team. I've sort of been 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:36.520 to all of Connor Ben's fights and there's a team 0:21:36.520 --> 0:21:40.040 of about twenty that were Connor Bent tracks suits. Someone 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:42.119 from that team has got to say something. It's all 0:21:42.160 --> 0:21:44.560 well and good when Connor is winning and you're wearing 0:21:44.560 --> 0:21:47.520 the nice Connor Bend bling tracksuits. Now what about Now, 0:21:47.880 --> 0:21:50.960 now there's a problem one of you in that team. 0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:54.160