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Speaker 1: That was my moments now with interviews, analysis and everything

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Speaker 1: are back Boxing with Chris Mannox, part of the Volume

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Speaker 1: Sports podcast network. This is not an emergency podcast, but

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Speaker 1: it kind of feels like an emergency podcast. That's because

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Speaker 1: the boxing landscape shifted on Wednesday of this week. Before Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: the biggest storyline in boxing was Connor Ben versus Chris

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Speaker 1: you Bank Jr. A family feud taken to the next generation.

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Speaker 1: Two rivals facing off with history behind them. You've got

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Speaker 1: the son of Nigel Ben the son of Chris you

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Speaker 1: Bank Jr. Two fighters that fought two excellent fights in

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Speaker 1: the early ninety nineties. They were set to square off

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Speaker 1: on Saturday as that rivalry passed on to another generation.

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Speaker 1: It was supposed to be a huge event. Oh two

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Speaker 1: Arena in London was sold out. Eddie Hearn, the promoter,

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Speaker 1: going to talk about it, break it down from every angle.

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Speaker 1: And then on Wednesday everything changed. Connor Ben he tested

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Speaker 1: positive for clomaphine, which is a banned substance known to

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Speaker 1: increase testosterone levels in men. On Thursday, you had the

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Speaker 1: British Boxing Board of Control announcing that they would not

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Speaker 1: sanction this fight, that they would in fact prohibit this

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Speaker 1: So now it is a totally different story. It is

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Speaker 1: all about Connor Ben, what happened and the future of

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Speaker 1: Connor Ben. So I want to bring in a couple

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Speaker 1: of guys that I'm sure we'll have unique perspectives on this.

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Speaker 1: Audio Ladipo is a long time broadcaster, part of the

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Speaker 1: Zone broadcast team over in the UK as well. He's

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Speaker 1: had his boots on the ground all week long. I've

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Speaker 1: been covering this event and the subsequent fallout backwards and forwards.

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Speaker 1: He joins me. Sergio Mora forward Junia middleweight champion to

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Speaker 1: as well, and Audio, I want to start with you.

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Speaker 1: You've been there all week long. You've watched this whole

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Speaker 1: this week. It's been um, it's been crazy, It really

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Speaker 1: It's really captured the public's imagination. I think as as

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Speaker 1: young man, I'm ambitious, I want the world or something stupid.

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine you know, all the hater he would get,

429
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 1: of course, but then all the respect you would you

430
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Speaker 1: get my respect? He would get my respect. And he said,

431
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 1: you know what, this this kid, this young man manned

432
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Speaker 1: up and admitted something that ninety nine point nine d

433
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Speaker 1: percent of fighters and athletes have never done. Not one

434
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 1: fighter has ever come on and said, you know what, yeah, man,

435
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Speaker 1: I try to cheat. Connor Ben could do the first

436
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Speaker 1: and I think he can mend up and get some

437
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 1: kind of dignity back that he can actually do that.

438
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 1: But he won't. But serchio, do you believe that he

439
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 1: would get his dignity back? I mean, look, I grew

440
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: up in Boston and I can remember back in two

441
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 1: thousand seven when Rodney Harrison was playing for the Patriots

442
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 1: and Rodney Harrison admitted to taking human growth hormone because

443
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: he wanted to accelerate the healing process in his leg

444
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,640
Speaker 1: yet a leg issue that he was going through when

445
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 1: he took a four game suspension for it, but he

446
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,959
Speaker 1: said it was worth it because he was trying to

447
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 1: heal his body. This was going to give him the

448
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 1: best shot to do it. That's one that's where admission

449
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 1: makes some sense. But in boxing like this is serious,

450
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: this is life or death stuff. If connor Ben comes

451
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: out and says, yeah, I took it to give me

452
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Speaker 1: an edge, I don't think people are going to be

453
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 1: in a rush to forgive him. I don't think he's

454
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 1: gonna gain any of his dignity back. It might even

455
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 1: make people angrier because he should be admitted to taking

456
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: something that could be used. It could be weaponized really

457
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: in a way. Uh. The other thing when it comes

458
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 1: to Connor Ben is, look, if this is in his

459
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: system now, it's probably not the first time he's taken it.

460
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 1: I'm not basing that on any inside information. I just

461
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 1: know that in general, the first time you are caught

462
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: doing something wrong is most often not the first time

463
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: you have done something wrong. So while I agree with

464
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 1: you in some circumstances, just saying you took drugs, whether

465
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Speaker 1: Rodney Harrison or Andy Pettitt or any of these like

466
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 1: baseball players or other athletes that have taken drugs, that

467
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: it's generally worked out for them. But in boxing it

468
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: just feels a little bit different. If it was any

469
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: other p D, I would I would think manning up

470
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 1: and being honest would would would actually clear the table.

471
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: But it was a fertility drug. Men don't take that

472
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Speaker 1: unless they're trying to do something that you know, I

473
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: don't know much of that's it. Yeah, you know, you

474
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 1: know the biggest problem is sorry, of course you said.

475
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: I think the biggest problem why I don't think people

476
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: will forgive him if the man's up is because you

477
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: try to drain Chris. You Maine Junior down to a

478
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty seven pounds, so that's one thing. You

479
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: then try to install a rehydration clause, which is another thing,

480
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 1: and then on top of that you've now obviously been

481
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 1: found guilty for taking a performance and nser and drug.

482
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: I mean, is it not enough to drain Chris you

483
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: mate Jr? Is it not enough to put a rehydration

484
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 1: clause in? Is that not enough? I mean, this is

485
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: the sport that we love, but we also all three

486
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 1: of us understand the dangers of this sport. Is it

487
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 1: not enough to do those two things? But then you

488
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 1: want to add almost a bit more on top. It's

489
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: going to be very very difficult, especially over here in

490
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Speaker 1: the UK. I don't know what it's like in the States,

491
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 1: but over here in the UK it's very very difficult.

492
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 1: There was a sprinter, cale Dwayne Chambers that we loved

493
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 1: over here. He got caught and he got a four

494
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: year band every time he ran on track after that

495
00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: four year band. He was booed like it never goes away.

496
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: It didn't go away. Connor Ben is one hundred times

497
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 1: more famous than that guy because of his name value.

498
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: It's going to be incredibly difficult to recover from this

499
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: unless by some miraculous statement or video or something. He

500
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,959
Speaker 1: explained how it got any system and then it's up

501
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: for us to decide whether or not we believe him

502
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 1: or not. But again the silent daddie, I'm sorry interrupt,

503
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: How can you how can a man, a young man

504
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: have fertility drugs? I know it has a boostes to

505
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 1: start from, but fertility is not for men. I mean,

506
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: I'm not a doctor, but how do you How does

507
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 1: a young man explain the only way he can explain?

508
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: And look, this is not me trying to find an

509
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 1: excuse for Connor Ben, but I mean a lot of

510
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 1: people are spoken about the the new and I don't

511
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: know if you had one, Surgey, but the new strength

512
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 1: and conditions that are now part of the sport of boxing.

513
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: Before you as a trainer and then used to go

514
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: and do your road work and then train yourself, there's

515
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 1: this new click of strength and condition and coaches that

516
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: seemed to offer you whatever, like, hey, take that, Yeah,

517
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. Sometimes the boxes do the own due

518
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 1: diligence as to what they're taken. You almost leave you

519
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: trust the guys with absolutely. I've been part of that,

520
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 1: especially at the end of my career. And I wish

521
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 1: I could say their names because people will know who

522
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. But at the end of my career, Uh,

523
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: those were offered to me, and I just didn't want

524
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: to risk everything that I accomplished for one or two

525
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 1: fights and one or two pay days. But I'm not

526
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: gonna say I didn't think about it. But it's just

527
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: not worth it, man. And those guys are scumbags, you know,

528
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: they're all they're all intelligent scumbags or weasels, and they

529
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: know how to you know, you know, use chemistry and

530
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: hide it and bring it out of your system and

531
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: and all that other stuff. It's not worth it, man,

532
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: at it is not worth it. And if for some reason,

533
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: Connor Ben or some of his team told him that

534
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: it would, you know, maybe rationalized and told him that

535
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: it would make it out of the system or or

536
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: or maybe say that you can get away with it whatever,

537
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: he still shouldn't have done it. Man. The only thing

538
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: a fighters should do is run, train, eat well, drink

539
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: water and and that's it. Man. You don't need to

540
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: put all this other stuff in your system. For two

541
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: hundred years, man, fighters have been fighting without this all

542
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: this science. Why do we need it all of a sudden,

543
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: Why do we need all these chemistry? It's mano a mano.

544
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: It's trained the best. You can drink your water, take vitamins,

545
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: simple one a day. That's all I took for twenty years.

546
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: You don't need everything else, man, Everything in boxing is

547
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: here here, And of course you know, yeah, yeah. I

548
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: also think it is insane that so many of these

549
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: nutritionists and sports scientists are disgraced drug sheets um people

550
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: like Victor Conti, who was at the center of the

551
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: Balco Barry Bonds scandal in the late nineties, in early

552
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: two thousand's, people like Memo Heredia, whoever admitted that he

553
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: was involved in doping uh years ago. Like these people

554
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: are now nutritionists in boxing. And it's bizarre because the

555
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: idea they could infiltrate other sports like football or baseball

556
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: or hockey on a regular basis is just it's nuts.

557
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: But here they are in the sport of boxing, which

558
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: is as always, uh the wild West up. I want

559
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: to finish with you what has this done to Connor

560
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: Ben's reputation in the UK? What we're was the perception

561
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: of him before all this and what is the perception

562
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: of him now? Well, we looked at him as that

563
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: next star before, right, I mean, we understand that we're

564
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: coming to an end with sort of our heavyweight stars, Tyson,

565
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: fury A, j These are guys that went into the

566
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: thirties and you know, we're looking for that next guy

567
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: that can feel stadiums eventually maybe go to America and

568
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: cause some problems over there. And he just seemed to

569
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: have it. Oh, he has the look in his last

570
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: few performances, he has the knockout victories. He speaks so

571
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: well on the mic, and that was it. That was

572
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: our star right away was looking for. You guys have

573
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: got Javonte and Ryan Garcia. He's our version of that,

574
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: someone that understands the new age of social media. He's

575
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: got a YouTube channel. He literally ticks every single box

576
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: in terms of what we want our boxing star to

577
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: look like. Right now, his names in the mud. I mean,

578
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: I can't imagine what he's going through. And look, whether

579
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: or not I should feel so for him is another question.

580
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:30,959
Speaker 1: But I can't imagine what he's going through. Looking on

581
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: social media right now, people are genuinely angry, and it's

582
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: the wrong people. And what I mean by that it's

583
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: people that have got a million Twitter followers and they're

584
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: saying stuff and then everyone's jumping on board. I mean,

585
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: I work for a radio station called Talk Sport and

586
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: they've absolutely destroyed him over here, and it's gonna take

587
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: it's It's literally I almost feel like it's an impossible

588
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: job to mend it. And I hope it's not because

589
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: I don't want his career at what is to be

590
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: over now. It's gonna take a wall for people to

591
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: forgive him because we were looking forward to this one.

592
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: This was our fire, this was almost our super Bowl

593
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: within and it's now done and it's difficult. You can

594
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: you guys imagine over there You're super Bowl being ended.

595
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: It's difficult for our super Bowl to kind of go

596
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: like this. So people are angry, people disappointed. I want

597
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: to say people move on quickly, but not from this.

598
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: They won't move on quickly from this at AOL. So

599
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: good luck to his team trying to repair the damage

600
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: because it's gonna take a while. Sergio, I'll give you

601
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: the last word of this. How does Connor ben move forward?

602
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: How does he reclaim his reputation? Is it about going

603
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: into year round testing? Is it about going into like

604
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: weakly blood testing, Uh, turning into the most transparent athlete

605
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: when it comes to drug testing in boxing history. How

606
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: in your mind does he move forward? I think the

607
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: last word added just summed it up perfectly. He summed

608
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: it up perfectly. Um my advice, admit what you did,

609
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: Admit what you did, ask for the public's apology, and

610
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: and and and and just say that you'll do better.

611
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: We're all human, we all mess up. We all try

612
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: to get an advantage somehow, some way, but you know legally,

613
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: but in a in a blood sport and a dangerous sport.

614
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, you can't take shortcuts. So you just either

615
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: got a man up or find another job to do. Man,

616
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: Because as at A so eloquently put it, it's gonna

617
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: be very hard. And he let he disappointed a lot

618
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: of people that put all their faith and trust and

619
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: him being the next superstar, and he just shot those

620
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: dreams down. And it just spirits. You know, fans, it

621
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: takes away, It just leaves a bad taste in their mouth.

622
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: And then when they see your face, or they see

623
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: your posts, or they see your next fight, or they

624
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: they just don't like it anymore. So I would say,

625
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: man up, admit what you did, say you're human, and

626
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: move on. What is the damage control look like for

627
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: counter Bend, Well, I think they started already, right. I

628
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: know that obviously felt VADA testing, but over here we

629
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: have UK, which is UK anti doping. Um. Since obviously

630
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: this VADA test had been felled and again we're led

631
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 1: to believe it was about a month ago. He's done

632
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: a lot of UK anti dope in tests and it's

633
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: come about all negatives. So they've already started the damage controls.

634
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: So I think it's a case of year round sort

635
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: of random UK testing, maybe doing and signing up to

636
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: VARDA again. Um. And that's the only way, honestly, it's

637
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: the only way. I mean, Eddie and Kelly made sure

638
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: sort of making sure that I knew that it had

639
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 1: been postponed this event as opposed to it being canceled.

640
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 1: So they are looking at putting this event on again

641
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: very soon. There's no two ways about it, whether or

642
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: not the public are gonna like it as another thing.

643
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: But they made sure in their statements and I think

644
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: everyone can read their statements online at this event has

645
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 1: been postponed, not canceled. So I think they're already starting

646
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: their damage control full year round, random you cat testing

647
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: and then we move forward. I think it's a bit

648
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: too soon to do what they're trying to do. But

649
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: these are promoters and I'm just a guy that works

650
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: for the broadcaster. Yeah, in this new wage, the event

651
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: might be uh postponed or canceled, but his reputation, it's

652
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 1: probably canceled, you know, especially now that social media and

653
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 1: everything travels around the world so fast. It's gonna be

654
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: very hard man, as you put it, very hard for

655
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: him to get. And that's why I know times going

656
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 1: to Skuy's apologies, but that's why he needs to release

657
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: a statement and explain how and why. The longer he waits,

658
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: Chris Sergio, the worst it gets. I mean, I'm I'm

659
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,720
Speaker 1: guilty of that myself sometimes and just shutting the curtains.

660
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: This isn't a shot in the curtain moment. This is

661
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: literally opening the curtain and explaining what happened. If he

662
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: continues to hide behind statements, then I guess the bigger

663
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: the problem gets. Yeah, it's a tough week for boxing.

664
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 1: It's a tough week for cornor Ben. It's a tough

665
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:05,240
Speaker 1: for boxing fans who are once again talking about something

666
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: that doesn't have anything to do with what happens in

667
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: the ring. And for Connor Ben, I think we all

668
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,919
Speaker 1: agree he's got a lot of work to do if

669
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: he's going to reclaim the respect of boxing fans, of

670
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: his peers and make people believe that, as he says,

671
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: he is a clean athlete. Addiol Adipo broadcaster over in

672
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: the UK with The Zone, Sergio Mora, former Junia middleweight champion,

673
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: to ZONN broadcaster Fellas appreciate the time and perspective as always,

674
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: Jas guys, cheer when we come back my conversation with

675
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,720
Speaker 1: Chris al Jerry. All Right, So the big news this week,

676
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: of course Connor Ben testing positive for a band substance.

677
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 1: Canceling or postponing, I guess is the more accurate word.

678
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 1: His upcoming fights against Chris you Bank Jr. Ben has

679
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: been a rising prospect for several years now, and he's

680
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: beat some notable names in that time. One of them

681
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: Chris alt Jerry, former forty pound champion who lost to

682
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: Connor Ben last December. And I wanted to bring Chris

683
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: to the show because I'm curious how opponents of Connor

684
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: Ben are feeling in this moment after the news broke

685
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: that he tested positive for this bands up. So Chris,

686
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: thanks for joining me. Man. Um, let's let's start there. Um.

687
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 1: You know when you heard about the positive test, what

688
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: was your reaction? So, Um, I woke up to it

689
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: yesterday morning. You know, I've been a full twenty four

690
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: hours or thirty hours past when I first actually heard

691
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 1: about it, um, And honestly, my very first thought was

692
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised. You know, I had heard mutterings when

693
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: I was getting ready fight him. I had mutings around

694
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,919
Speaker 1: that fight week from people who are in over over

695
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: across the seas, and then I had heard it post

696
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: you know. So, but I always give fighters and competitors

697
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt. If I don't know for

698
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,439
Speaker 1: sure that I'm never gonna mention that I'm never gonna

699
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: call anybody, even if I suspect them or not. But

700
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: now now that it comes to to light, um, you

701
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,240
Speaker 1: know it makes you think, and you know it sucks.

702
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to think about other fighters

703
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: that way. I don't want to think about situations that

704
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: happened the past. But you know, it's hard not to.

705
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: It's it's impossible not to. Yeah, I mean when you

706
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: look at this situation, you said you're not surprised, So

707
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: you did have concerns about Connor Ben going into your fight. Absolutely,

708
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: you know that. I know there's a lot of hype

709
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: around him. Um, I knew who was a young fighter.

710
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 1: I knew I was his first big step up fight,

711
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: and you know there's a lot on his shoulders in

712
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: order to perform, you know, perform the way that it

713
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: needs to. But I mean that the writing was on

714
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: the wall. If you look at his body, the way

715
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: it's changed from even the Corndos fight to my fight,

716
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: you know, which are only four months apart. You know,

717
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: the differences was was visible. And that's hard to do,

718
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: you know, in in such a short period of time,

719
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: when you've been trying at a high level for for

720
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: a while. Um, you know that's one thing. But again

721
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 1: it's yeah, you never know, like everyone's body is different.

722
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: But now it's just it just makes you rethink everything

723
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: that you thought leading up to it and what you

724
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: had heard. Um. Yeah, and I had heard from from

725
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: multiple sources that that you know that he was not

726
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 1: a clean a clean fighter. Um you know. So now

727
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: again it's just it's this this comes to light now

728
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: and just it just makes you think, Yeah, and you

729
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: were you were stopped in that fight, and it was

730
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: a scary knockout the way, Um you were knocked out.

731
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: As you look back on that knockout now, I mean

732
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: do you think that, Look, I was stopped by a

733
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: guy that was taking something like what do you how

734
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: do you feel about that knockout? Now? Well, even leading

735
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: up to the fight, like, I've never seen anything on

736
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: video watching him, I've never seen that kind of power.

737
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: Never expected that, didn't didn't wasn't worried about that kind

738
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: of thing happening. Lest I'm always worried about a fight.

739
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: Any punchkin can ENTI fight at any time. Um, And

740
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: whether it was or it wasn't, you know, I wasn't

741
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: worried about that. I didn't. I didn't see that kind

742
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: of power in him. I didn't. I didn't listen. I've

743
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 1: been bring Manu Pat yea, I what Errol sp and

744
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: so I've been Ruslan Rovannikov, you know, really really scary

745
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: punchers and the kind of guys who have, um, you know,

746
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: done a lot of damage in the ring. And I

747
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: just didn't I didn't see that. I didn't. I didn't

748
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: think that that was even an option. Um, you know,

749
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: so when it came out of nowhere, I mean I

750
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: was obviously I was surprised. Um, you know, I didn't

751
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: expect it, and but I just I wasn't expecting that

752
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: kind of thing even going into the fight. You know,

753
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: when you when you signed for a fight, you look

754
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 1: at your opponent, you look at how you're going to

755
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: stand up, you look at the things you need to

756
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 1: work on. You know. I have always been an analyst,

757
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: you know, I analyzed the fighters getting ready for my

758
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: own fights, and now I analyze fighters as a broadcaster,

759
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: So I know what I'm looking at. I never saw

760
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: that kind of power, especially one punch shot like that, Um,

761
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: even in the fight before Gronado's and Gronaus is a

762
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: great chance he's a super tough guy. I'm literally taking

763
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: nothing away from him. He didn't show that kind of

764
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: explosiveness and one one punch power at all. What was

765
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: the drug testing like for your fight? We pissed on

766
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: a cup after the fight. That was it. So no

767
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: advanced testing for for your fight with Connor Ben No,

768
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: no Vada, nothing of that. And listen, I'm I mean,

769
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: I am a one of the wbc h randomly tested

770
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: Vada athletes a year round. You can test me at anytime,

771
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 1: but honestly, how often does that really happen? Not much.

772
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: It's expensive to do, um because if they just show

773
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: up where you're at, and it's very very rare. So um, yeah, no,

774
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: there was, there was. There was no advanced testing other

775
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:32,959
Speaker 1: than the General Commission. Piano Cup. I know you've worked

776
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: with Eddie Hearn in the past. He has um suggested

777
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: that the fight should have been allowed to go forward because, Uh,

778
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: the u k a D tests did not pop Connor Bend,

779
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: and they have jurisdiction when it comes to this type

780
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: of stuff, and it was Vada that that pop Bend.

781
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: How do you feel about that, about the fact that

782
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: it was Vada not the uk D that nailed him.

783
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter to you, No, it doesn't matter. I mean,

784
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: if anything, I mean, I think a third party tester

785
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 1: who doesn't really matter in terms of if the fight

786
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: happens or not. It's probably better. Um, you know, we

787
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: all use Vada. We all have at the highest level.

788
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:12,919
Speaker 1: You know, when I fought Many Packat, we use Vado.

789
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: When I fac World Tide, we use Vada. So why

790
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 1: would Voda not matter now? Um? Because the fight's happening

791
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: over there, Like because you guys don't believe in Vada.

792
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: Like what does VADA have to stand to win or

793
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 1: gain by by turning off such a huge fight or

794
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: shutting down such a big fight that I don't know.

795
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: If failed test the failed test drug is a drug.

796
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: It's it's either or you are. It's like being pregnant.

797
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 1: Either pregnant or you're not. There's no stunny pregnant. So

798
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 1: you failed test, fail test. Yeah, you know it says

799
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 1: something too that. I mean, if you you really can't

800
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: say that, you know, you're saying the uk D tests

801
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: are not as good. That's Vadas. Like if Vada was

802
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: the one that that caught him, then the VODA tests

803
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: are the gold standard. And that's just the way it goes.

804
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, I don't I don't know

805
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: the protocols of of either testing UM organization. UM. But

806
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,439
Speaker 1: I do understand the way that testing and drugs work,

807
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: and you know, the guys who are developing these drugs,

808
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: it's it's it's constantly turning over, they're constantly getting better.

809
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: It's technology. It's just the way it is. UM. And

810
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: there's a lot more money and making better drugs than

811
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: there is for making better tests that can that can

812
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: figure out those drugs. So UM, you know, one could

813
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: just be a day ahead of the other. It doesn't

814
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: mean that one is UM isn't good, or is is whatever,

815
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 1: but obsolete, its obsolete. If you're day late, you're or monthly,

816
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. UM. So you know, I can't really

817
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: speak to their protocols, but obviously it's one's catching something

818
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: that is there and one is not. There's there's an issue.

819
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: So what should the punishment be for something like this? UM?

820
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: It sure sounds like despite's gonna be rescheduled sooner rather

821
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,720
Speaker 1: than later. It may just be a matter of months,

822
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: a couple of months before we see us you bank

823
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: and counter bend in the ring. If you could sort

824
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: of be boxing commissioner for a day, UM, what should

825
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: the punishment be for Connor Ben for something like this,

826
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: a minimum a year minimum. And honestly, the argument for

827
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: life is legit because depending on what you're doing, in

828
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: terms of what kind of androwgen's kind of what kind

829
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 1: of pets you're taking, what kind of pds you're taking,

830
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: the physiological effect might never go away. You're getting an

831
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: advantage for life in some instances. The tissue that you develop,

832
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 1: the physiological changes that happen are real and they don't

833
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: go away because you stopped taking them. So again, looking

834
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 1: at what the specific drug that you're getting you're getting

835
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: napped for, should matter. But I don't think people are

836
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: looking at it that closely, you know, for all intents

837
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: of purpose, I think it's gonna get pushed back three

838
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: months and then they're gonna fight again. It's gonna be

839
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 1: no big deal because this is boxing. It's the wild

840
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: Gold West. We let this kind of stuff happen all

841
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: the time. And this is why a lot of people

842
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: question boxing and why you know, there's there's always the

843
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: question markt always the black eye of boxing. But yeah, no,

844
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: if you really look at a physiologically from a sports

845
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: sports um physiology and sports medicine and sports science standpoint,

846
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: life bands are are legitimate. You know what surprises me,

847
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: Chris is that you know this. They've Connor Benn his

848
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: team have known about this test for weeks now. They

849
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: had to know or had at least think at some

850
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: point this was going to go public, and as we

851
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: record this, there still has not been any kind of

852
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: excuse floated. No herbal t excuse, no laced meat, no

853
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: supplement that was tainted by this fertility drug. And that

854
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: to me just tells they don't have one, Like they

855
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: don't have anything that anyone would buy in the public,

856
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: which is a big problem. Like Connor Ben is out

857
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: there on social media saying, I'm a clean athlete. Well,

858
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,720
Speaker 1: in my mind, explain how this got in your system.

859
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: Then give me something I'll believe because you've had weeks

860
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: and come up with nothing. Yeah. Well, in terms of

861
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: the excuse, there won't be one because it's lied to

862
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: you die. There's no reason for them to come out

863
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: and say, oh, you know, like we didn't do this,

864
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: that we messed up. That's never gonna happen again. Now

865
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do that. They're gonna they're gonna they're

866
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: gonna deny it. Deny it, deny it, um, you know,

867
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,720
Speaker 1: because there's no upside, and and saying that you tried,

868
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: you tried to do it and you got caught. Um,

869
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 1: saying you made a mistake and I think got caught. Yeah. There.

870
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: You know, there's people in the public could potentially be like, oh, well,

871
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: you know he did me. It's okay, you know, he

872
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: didn't mean to do it. It happened. But I don't

873
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: believe any of that, you know, I don't. I don't

874
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: believe in any of that. As a as a professional athlete,

875
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: a high level guy, someone was a team around him,

876
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: was looking after everything you're doing. And Connor is not

877
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: a dumb guy. He's he he knows exactly the stakes

878
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: of what's going on, and he's he's very I have

879
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: talked to him about this personally prior to us fighting,

880
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: about how much he's aware of his nutrition in his body.

881
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: He's a kind of prizes, especially with the drug that

882
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 1: he popped for. There's no excuse, and that's why there

883
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: will not be one. You were gracious in defeat after

884
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,439
Speaker 1: your fight with Connor. Ben. You guys shared a moment

885
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: the ring that was captured on camera. I'm sure you

886
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: talked after that. How do you feel about Connor Ben

887
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 1: now in the in the wake of this test, I

888
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: pretty Ben to win this fight. I've been saying that

889
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: I thought he was gonna go out there. I was

890
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: rooting for the underdog. I wanted him to win. Um,

891
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: that's that's that's that's all gone. Now, that's that's this is. Listen,

892
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: whether he was or he wasn't when he fought me,

893
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: we'll never know. That will never come to life. The

894
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: question will always be there, but it will never be

895
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 1: known yes or no. But at the end of the day,

896
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: I don't like cheaters, especially in this sport, and it

897
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: means a lot to me. This sport means everything to me.

898
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: So anyone who's willing to put the lives of their

899
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: opponents on on the line that way, I can't. I

900
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 1: can't respect that. Do you think there's any come I mean,

901
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: he's going to continue with his career right like this

902
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: fight might only be pushed a couple of months up.

903
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: And we have seen guys, whether it's John Pascal, Jarrell Miller.

904
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,439
Speaker 1: I mean, you even go back to the Klitch goes,

905
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 1: I mean Vladimir klitsch Gold the Olympics back in the day, Like, guys,

906
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: get past this? Is this the kind of thing you

907
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: expect Connor Ben to be able to get past? And

908
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: if you were advising him, not that you'd want to

909
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: on how to get past this, Like what would you

910
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: say to him, um, in terms of moving his career forward. Listen,

911
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: he's young and he has a long life and career

912
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: ahead of him. Um. But a lot of it's can

913
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: depend on what he does in his career because listen,

914
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: winners win and winners get away with a lot. Money

915
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: talks in this sport. If you can keep winning, if

916
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: you can keep being the man, if you can, if

917
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 1: he he ends up fighting, you bank and he wins,

918
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: and then he wins another big fight, and then he

919
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: becomes this kind of champion, that kind of champion. These

920
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: things will full to the wayside of back back backpack

921
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: back back, but if there's any hiccup along the way,

922
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: this will never be forgotten. So unfortunately, this is it.

923
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: I am being as candid as possible. It's unfortunately the

924
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: way that the sport is. But that's that's that is

925
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:10,919
Speaker 1: the truth. Winners win and the money and the money talks. Yeah,

926
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: always does, Chris. I appreciate your time, man, I know

927
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 1: this must have been on your mind right away when

928
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:21,760
Speaker 1: this immediately popped up. Thanks for joining me. Yeah, yeah, anytime, anytime,

929
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,240
Speaker 1: Maxx said, always appreciate your time and when we come back.

930
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: Undisputed lightweight Champion Devon Haney All right, Devin Haney is

931
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: the undisputed hundred and thirty five pound champion. He is

932
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: back in Australia where on October he will defend his

933
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: titles against George Campbosis Jr. In a rematch of the

934
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: fight where Devon won his belts. Devon kind enough to

935
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: join me from Australia where he's eating right now, so

936
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: apparently waits not an issue at the moment for you. Devon.

937
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: Oh wait, it's not an issue. You know. I'm ready

938
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: to go, so I want to get into your fight

939
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: and being in Australia. But obviously the big news this

940
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: week is Connor Band testing positive for a band substance.

941
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: That fight against Christi Bank Jr. Now postponed for the

942
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: foreseeable future. You're an athlete that takes takes your drug

943
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: testing very seriously. Been enrolled in Vada for some time now. Um,

944
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: what was your reaction when you first heard that Connor

945
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 1: band At tested positive. Um, I knew when I seen

946
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: that it was a it was a fertility. It was

947
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: like something for a fertility. I knew that it was

948
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: you know too Booset's test toss around. So, um, we

949
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: all know that. You know, I'm close with with Victor

950
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: Conti and stank so um that's when I hit Victor.

951
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: Could you was it was it intentional or was it? What?

952
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: Do you what do you think it was? He said intentional?

953
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,280
Speaker 1: And I do feel like, you know, he was cheating,

954
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: But I don't know is what it is? What? What?

955
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: What can we do? I mean, this this is boxing,

956
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: happens and in all sports. But um, he got a

957
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: cart you know you you mentioned what can we do?

958
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 1: What should boxing do? What should happen to a fighter

959
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,240
Speaker 1: the test positively? I was talking to Chris al Jerry

960
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: before uh you came on and look, Chris was understandably upset,

961
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: like he got knocked out by Connor Ben in December

962
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: of two thousand twenty one. Um, like, what should the

963
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: punishment be in your mind for fighters that test positive? Yeah,

964
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I'm not the board, I'm

965
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: not the commission. I can't really say but you know,

966
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 1: I just I don't. I don't expect it. I don't

967
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: think that is it's fair, especially because you know, you

968
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: the brain isn't you know, made to be punched. It

969
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: isn't it made to be hit. So you know, we

970
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: were going there and we put our lives on the live. Um.

971
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: You know, the least you could do is, you know,

972
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: we put it on a you know, fair playing field.

973
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: You know, mono the mono. Um, I don't know, I

974
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,720
Speaker 1: just don't. I just don't respect cheating and the sport

975
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 1: of boxing at all. You know, I don't expect cheating

976
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: at all. But you know, in basketball, football, baseball, it's different.

977
00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: You know, you hit a home run, it's no harm

978
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 1: to know nobody. You you you you tackle somebody, it's

979
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: not as bad, but you know you when you punch

980
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: somebody in the head, it's it's it's serious. Would you

981
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: at this point in your career, would you ever fight

982
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: anybody that wouldn't be enrolled in advanced testing? No? No, personally, Um,

983
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: you know, I take I take the testing serious. Um.

984
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: Many times I have, you know, put my own money

985
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: up for for the test and to make sure that

986
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: it was done. When the promoters wouldn't do it. Um,

987
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: you know, I I'm it's it's it's no way because

988
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: I know that cheating does happen, and it can't happen,

989
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 1: and you know, just it's just just to protect myself.

990
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,399
Speaker 1: I wanted to be you know, fighting on a fair

991
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,760
Speaker 1: plane field. Yeah, that's the one sport where it should

992
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: be taken definitely seriously, as seriously as it ever isn't

993
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: any other sport. Um, let's talk about your fight fift

994
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: You're back in Australia. You are now becoming like a

995
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: resident down there after two trips in the last six months.

996
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: How do you feel about being back in Australia preparing

997
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: for this rematch? Um? I feel great, Um, you know,

998
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: um mentally, physically, you know, I got my full team

999
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: with me. Um. You know, I came here already, so

1000
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: I knew what to expect, you know, Um, and I

1001
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: just can't wait. I'm excited for the fight. You know,

1002
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: you spent some time in the previous months Devon in

1003
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: interviews saying it wasn't a sure thing that you'd be

1004
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: back in Australia. It wasn't a sure thing that you'd

1005
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: be facing campbos Is in this rematch kind of take

1006
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: me inside your thinking over the last few months, Like

1007
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: what were you kind of contemplating doing and what was

1008
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: it that got you back to Australia. I mean, truthfully,

1009
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: I wanted more money. I mean, that was it. I

1010
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: just wanted more money, as that was the only thing.

1011
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 1: So you do all along you'd be back. Yeah, but

1012
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 1: I just wanted my like. I respect that. I respect.

1013
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 1: Did you get more money? No? I mean that contract

1014
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: was pretty iron clad, right, Like that was a tough

1015
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: contract to get some wiggle room in. Yeah, pretty much.

1016
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: I mean, although I would say I have heard some

1017
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,959
Speaker 1: of the numbers floated around for your purse for this fight.

1018
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: It sounds like you're getting a pretty good pay day

1019
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: for this fight. Yeah, but it's never too much. Again,

1020
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 1: I respect. You always gotta ask for more, you go.

1021
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: It's just you never take the first offer. You gotta

1022
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: ask for more, you damn right, in any profession, you

1023
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: never take the first offer. Um. So, so as you

1024
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: prepare for this fight, what are you expecting from camp Boss?

1025
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: Are you expecting some kind of big adjustment? Do you

1026
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: think he's capable of a big adjustment? What's kind of

1027
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:51,399
Speaker 1: your expectation? Um? I mean, it's no secret what are's

1028
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,240
Speaker 1: gonna bring to the table. We all know that he's gonna,

1029
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: you know, try to be more aggressive, you know, try

1030
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:00,760
Speaker 1: to make the fight dirty and you know it as possible. Um,

1031
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's it's no secret you boxed brilliantly

1032
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 1: in that first fight made it look easy. I mean,

1033
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: did that first fight go as you expected it to go? Um,

1034
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:17,439
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say necessarily when completely as expected. I knew

1035
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: that I would handicapped him of his best attributes, and uh,

1036
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: you know that's what how That's how the fight happened.

1037
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: That's how that fight played out, Um, with me handicapping him.

1038
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: But um, you know despite our handicappine, but it will

1039
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: be a little different in what ways? Would it be different?

1040
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: You gotta see you gotta tune in on the fifteen.

1041
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: I will show ever the salesman. Um. You know you

1042
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 1: were motivated to get those titles. You wanted to be

1043
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: undisputed champion so badly. Um. Have you had the same

1044
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: motivation during this training camp as anything been different about

1045
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 1: this camp? Yeah? I mean the motive motivation. Um, obviously

1046
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 1: it's not you know, as you know as much as

1047
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,760
Speaker 1: you know the first fight. Um, you know, he hasn't

1048
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: given me, you know, much motivation obviously, you know he's

1049
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: going quiet. Um and he's just you know, nowhere to

1050
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: be found. But that's all part of his you know,

1051
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: strategy or whatever the case may be. But um, it

1052
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: is what it is. Um. At the end of the day,

1053
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 1: this is history. This is you know, putting me you know,

1054
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: closer to being one of the greats of the sports.

1055
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:32,399
Speaker 1: So uh. You know, when when when someone doesn't give

1056
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: you the motivation that you're looking for, you know, you

1057
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: get it somewhere else you thrive or somehow, and that's

1058
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: how that's how the greats do it. So um, it

1059
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 1: is what it is. Now, what do you what do

1060
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: you make of that? Him going quiet the way he has.

1061
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 1: We haven't heard anything from George really in months besides

1062
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: some social media posts. He talked a lot of ship

1063
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: in the build up to the first fight. What do

1064
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: you make of him kind of going quiet? Yeah, he

1065
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 1: talked a lot of ship. Um, you know he and

1066
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: then he got some humble pie. So now you know

1067
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: he's he's on quiet, and you know he's seen that

1068
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,439
Speaker 1: the ship talking you know, wasn't really him. It wasn't

1069
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 1: really you know, he couldn't back it up. So now

1070
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: he's gonna quiet. I mean, what what what quick? Can

1071
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: you think about it? I mean I don't really know

1072
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 1: what's really saying or think about it. It's boxing, so

1073
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,439
Speaker 1: everybody talks about the future, and people look at your future,

1074
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: whether it's Loma Chenko shakor Stevenson. Massive fights in three

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00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: that you could potentially have. Um at one, is there

1076
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: any danger for you in overlooking George campboss in this fight? Um?

1077
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: I will not overlook you know, George Campus So I

1078
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: will not you know, look past him. You know, he

1079
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: is a live body. He was the guy with the belts.

1080
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: But the fight before this, so uh, you know, my

1081
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 1: my percent focuses on him, and uh without without you know,

1082
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: beating him, I don't get those big fights. So my

1083
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,439
Speaker 1: main focus is beating him and then what what's what's

1084
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 1: we'll talk about, you know what's next. I know how

1085
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: hard it was for you to leave that he hearn

1086
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 1: to kind of go out on your own here in

1087
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: a way, work a top rank, work with lou Debella.

1088
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: But you wanted this opportunity, and now it seems like Devin,

1089
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: you're on the cusp of getting everything you you wanted.

1090
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: You're not only getting all the titles, but you've got

1091
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: the chance to have those mega fights that you've been

1092
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: calling for for years. I mean, is that Does it

1093
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 1: feel that way? Does it feel like this is the

1094
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 1: time you're kind of finally getting everything you wanted? Yeah?

1095
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: It was. It was destined everything, you know, as you know,

1096
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: it's falling into place, fall into my hands. But you know,

1097
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: I thank God for it. I think I laugh for you. Um,

1098
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: you know, I've been working so hard, you know, sacrificing

1099
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: for so long, and you know, not getting the fights

1100
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: that that I wanted. But um, now it's finally time

1101
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm excited for it. All right, last question

1102
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: for you. I was watching with amusement as you and

1103
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: the folks over at Ring Magazine we're going back and

1104
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: forth about your place in the pound for pound ranking.

1105
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: So I'll ask you this, Where does Devin Haney think

1106
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: Devin Haney belongs on the pound for pound list? You

1107
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: didn't have me pound for pound rankings either, I did not.

1108
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: I did not. I'll I'll tell you why. But I

1109
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: want to hear where you where you land think you

1110
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 1: belong in that list. Um, I don't know. I can't

1111
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: say exactly, but I've definitely deserved to be on the list.

1112
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 1: I definitely deserve to be on the list. But why

1113
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: are you to have me on your list? Well, it's

1114
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 1: it's I don't look at titles when I make that

1115
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 1: list ever, like it's just like I always look at resumes.

1116
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 1: Why I have Canelo still higher than most people do.

1117
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 1: It's why I have higher than most people do. You

1118
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: are unquestionably a pound for pound talent, and by this

1119
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 1: time next year, I think you can make the argument

1120
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 1: you should be number one in the pound for pound

1121
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: rankings because I'm assuming if you beat Cambosis, if you

1122
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: beat Lomachenko, if you beat you, of course, Stevenson, that

1123
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: is a number one guy type of resume, at the

1124
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: very least a top five. So the only reason I

1125
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 1: don't have you in the top ten is resume. I'm

1126
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: twenty three years old, undisputed. Just beat the man, will

1127
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 1: beat the man, will beat the man who you had

1128
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 1: on your fucking list. You have MoMA on your list, right,

1129
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 1: I do, But again that's resume. But he lost, so

1130
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: lost it don't matter resume, So so you lost it,

1131
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: don't matter. You just say, Okay, he could fight ten people.

1132
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 1: If you lose peat five locifive, then he doesn't matter

1133
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: because he beat five five lose the top of guys. Well, no,

1134
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 1: not five, but like Cannello has got two losses, but

1135
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: they were two elite guys, So I don't I'm not

1136
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: gonna penalize him that much for a lot of guys

1137
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: with the guy but but but but Cannello lost the Floyd.

1138
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 1: Floyd lose after Canello lost the Big Ball, the Big

1139
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: Ball lose, lose after No Loma lost, not yet, Teo, Okay,

1140
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: but you're projecting you you, you're trying to project some ship.

1141
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: He lost the tl TiO lost gamebo s scamest the

1142
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 1: lost to me right, look or a plus for eight.

1143
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 1: But Loma's got Loma's resume at one thirty and one

1144
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 1: thirty five. Put him on that list to me, like

1145
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 1: he's he's probably better guys. You you you, your list

1146
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 1: will consistent with the way he did three years ago

1147
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: rather than what he's doing today. But I still think

1148
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 1: he's that guy from three years ago, and like, if

1149
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 1: you get these next couple of fights, you'll have a

1150
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 1: better resume. I think it's a subjective list. It's a

1151
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 1: subjective list. You don't Yeah, you don't know. If I'll

1152
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 1: tell you what if he if he looks if he

1153
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 1: looks like ship against Jamaine Ortiz, I'll take him off

1154
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: the list. Like if he looks bad in that fight,

1155
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 1: like that will be the most comple of him fighting.

1156
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 1: It looked like shit against torn was broken. No, I

1157
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 1: never said, I never give him that out. I don't

1158
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: give him that guy out. He didn't look good in

1159
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 1: that fight, but he's had. Look, you're gonna get your

1160
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 1: It's inevitable that you're on that list. It's just you

1161
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 1: just started to get the medium level fights with with Eddie,

1162
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 1: when you had Lenaries and you had Jojo, those were

1163
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 1: good fights. Now you beat Camposa's a better win, and

1164
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 1: the next year you got everything. If you're not on

1165
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 1: the list next year in the top five, I'll be

1166
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 1: shocked because you'll go into those fights as a favorite

1167
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 1: or against both guys. All right, we'll never agree, but look,

1168
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 1: I always love watching you. Man. You're a great fighter.

1169
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 1: I want to see I agree. I will be, I

1170
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: will be. I will be number one on them. I

1171
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: believe that. All right, Devin, good luck on October Man,

1172
01:02:56,080 --> 01:03:00,040
Speaker 1: we're watching on ESPN rematch with George Campbosas Jr. To

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01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 1: be a lot of fun. Man, good luck, Thank you, Chris.

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01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:04,600
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Speaker 1: ben you Bank junior fight this weekend, but there is

1201
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 1: a pretty good one on Saturday on Showtime. Sebastian Fundura,

1202
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 1: the huge junior middleweight contender six ft six hut pounder,

1203
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 1: is an interim champion AT He's gonna take on Carlos

1204
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 1: Ocampo in Southern California. Fuendora comes into this fight as

1205
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 1: a huge favorite minus according to fan Duel. I think

1206
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 1: that's a safe bet if you want to park some

1207
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 1: money there. Fendora is really coming into his own over

1208
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. He's coming off is best

1209
01:04:57,040 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 1: win to date, a just brutal beating of ericson Lubin

1210
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 1: So I think he's peaking right now as a fighter,

1211
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 1: or at least getting close to it. Ocampo solid, but

1212
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 1: I don't give him much of a chance at winless fight.

1213
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 1: If you want to try to win a little bit

1214
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:13,000
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1215
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 1: Sebastian Vandora by Ko or Ti Ko is at minus

1216
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 1: two twenty again not great odds. But Fandora, if you

1217
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 1: watch him of late, he is really growing into his power.

1218
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:27,920
Speaker 1: He is uh determined going into fights to make them entertaining.

1219
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 1: He is looking for knockouts. I think he's gonna get

1220
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 1: one against Carlos Ocampos. So take Sebashian Fedora to win.

1221
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 1: That was the easy one. Take him to win by knockout.

1222
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 1: That's the one you have a chance to win some

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