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Speaker 1: origional pocket Welcome to Patriot's Unfiltered. This isn't the boy scouts.

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Speaker 1: I hear it all the time about Jacobe. Oh, he's

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Speaker 1: so reliable, he was such a great teammate. Does that

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Speaker 1: win you football games? Catch a touchdown on Buffalo and

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Speaker 1: go dance on that dangle ogo and shove it in

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Speaker 1: their faces. He's mad at Evan, he says. So, he says,

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Speaker 1: boy scouts don't win your super Bowls, But TikTok and

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Speaker 1: bad guys win your super Bowls. Please. Stevie from Texas

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Speaker 1: is mad at Evan too, he says, is wild and

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Speaker 1: a lot of the bad juju last year was the

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Speaker 1: fact that the offensive side of the ball is no.

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Speaker 1: I didn't I'm like intrigued that he doesn't have an agent,

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Speaker 1: that his mom and his agent, we don't know if

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Speaker 1: they hadn't reached out to Lamar's mom. Hey, mom, what

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Speaker 1: what does he want? If you put your brain power

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Speaker 1: to it, we can figure out how to get rid

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Speaker 1: of the telephone poles. I mean, that's why I'm called

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Speaker 1: two and a half shows, and there's no update on you.

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Speaker 1: It's working its way through the legislature. This is Patriot's Unfiltered,

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Speaker 1: fueled by dumb can Because all right, where's Andy when

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Speaker 1: I need him? My cat? Open my water? Your husband?

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Speaker 1: Lets see those. Paul's going to open it? Be you hands, Oh,

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Speaker 1: no problem, look at mister claw untwisted, No Fred, thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Paul, thank you. Go Denis to be up.

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Speaker 1: You can. I used to have Andy opened my my

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Speaker 1: bottles for me. It's true and good to do it.

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Speaker 1: He's strong and he would like accept it willingly. I

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Speaker 1: was out back. What did you say ripping up using

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Speaker 1: the chainsaw? This point? All right, Uh, it is Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 1: We are here until twelve. It's Duce, it's Evan, it's Paul,

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Speaker 1: it's myself, Matt and the booth. We're talking everything Patriots.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna leave a little early today. We'll end the

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Speaker 1: show about ten minutes early so we can go to

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Speaker 1: Devin mccordy's retirement ceremony here and they're gonna do it

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Speaker 1: in the Patriots Hall of Fame something that the whole

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Speaker 1: thing going. It's gonna be exciting. Yeah, you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna get up there, though. We're gonna run up there

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Speaker 1: real quick and try to find our positions. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: give Devin his due. Paul, will you be speaking at

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Speaker 1: the ceremony? I don't believes to speak, no, okay, I

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Speaker 1: think they leave that to more important people, you know,

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Speaker 1: like Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft. But we'll do that. Um.

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Speaker 1: And of course we want to talk about what's going

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Speaker 1: on in free agency. Um. You know, we're fully in

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Speaker 1: it now, and I think that there might be some

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Speaker 1: something to the whole Hopkins talk with the Patriots. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I just think what Cooks Cooks went for.

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Speaker 1: If you don't get one of those guys, it's I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's just it feels like a time bomb. And if

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Speaker 1: some other team goes and get some I think, what

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Speaker 1: would you say upstairs? At what was the price? You

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Speaker 1: could see? Maybe like a fourth this year and a

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Speaker 1: if another team gets DeAndre Hopkins for that, or you know,

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Speaker 1: OBJ signs for you know, something that doesn't seem like

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Speaker 1: that overwhelming certainly not twenty million. But here's here's what

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Speaker 1: we gotta make it happen. The Patriots are in a

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Speaker 1: good situation with him because with Monte austin Ford over there,

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Speaker 1: at least they know they're going to get information, Like

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Speaker 1: if another team is you know, the Patriots will give

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Speaker 1: their shot. Yeah, you know, and if the price is

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Speaker 1: it's been an okay, you know, start to free agency,

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Speaker 1: the price is, like, just make it happen. Make it happen,

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Speaker 1: I'm on record saying I do it every year. I'd invest,

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Speaker 1: But you know, you get that guy. You've got five

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Speaker 1: the whole other thing. I want to play ten plays

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Speaker 1: So I think that would work out for both sides.

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Speaker 1: But with Hopkins, I think I go back to what

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Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks just went for a fifth and the sixth.

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Speaker 1: I think Hopkins a better player, but you don't go

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Speaker 1: but like, this isn't breaking the bank what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: for with Bill Belichick. This is what he likes. And like,

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Speaker 1: back to play special Yeah, and and Felger you know,

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Speaker 1: know what Joe Judge's role is going to be this year.

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Speaker 1: I've heard advisor, but if you don't think he's going

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Speaker 1: get rid of him. I think he will help out

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Speaker 1: signing the crisp boards of the world. That's fine, it's

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Speaker 1: it's okay. Paul's looking at me like, okay, seeing it up.

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Speaker 1: that relative number is, if you are going to invest

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Speaker 1: veteran roster spots in money in special teams, they better

425
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Speaker 1: be better than they were last year. That's a fair point.

426
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Speaker 1: You know, that's a fair point. Better be at the

427
00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,920
Speaker 1: top five of the league every year. But the guy

428
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,640
Speaker 1: goes on the radio for me anyway, every single day,

429
00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,720
Speaker 1: he goes on the radio and screams at the top

430
00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,000
Speaker 1: of his lungs that the cap is crap, the cap

431
00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,919
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, what money doesn't matter. I've been telling you

432
00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:50,080
Speaker 1: this for a decade. And then when they sign of

433
00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:55,040
Speaker 1: your moves, there's the moves. They're not gonna They're not

434
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,000
Speaker 1: looking at it and saying, Chris board is keeping tell

435
00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,160
Speaker 1: me that they don't have the cap space to do stuff.

436
00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 1: Who tells you that? Patriots? Who Bill BELI tells me

437
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,160
Speaker 1: that they were the lowest in the spending, Like he's

438
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,439
Speaker 1: the one that uses to spending is in cash And

439
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,680
Speaker 1: now now we're getting into the motion. The coach uses

440
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,280
Speaker 1: it as a crutch. So the only time that I

441
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 1: reacting as the only time that I've heard Bill use

442
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:18,919
Speaker 1: it as a crutch is in twenty twenty when he

443
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,000
Speaker 1: said that I can read your backup press conference from

444
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 1: what it was was that the that was cash spending.

445
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,399
Speaker 1: That's not cap right, two different things. So I know

446
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 1: that you don't think money counts. I think Bill's telling

447
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,879
Speaker 1: you what does You can disagree. I know that you

448
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,879
Speaker 1: know more you can disagree with him. I know, but pa,

449
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 1: but he said it not he did say it, but

450
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,680
Speaker 1: more that has different with the cap money. I'm talking

451
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,560
Speaker 1: about money. I always talk about money, but there's no

452
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 1: reason to pay you a guy covering kicks to play

453
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,439
Speaker 1: ten plays a game one point five million dollars to

454
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 1: do it, okay, but you should be making five by

455
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,680
Speaker 1: doing that. You are not. You are not prohibiting yourself.

456
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 1: I'm spending a lot of money on a player like

457
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy or Hopkins. But I think that is the

458
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 1: result if they talk about it after the fact, well

459
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 1: we're too tight, we can't do it cash because they

460
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 1: use it as a crutch. Well, teams, that's what Felger

461
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,199
Speaker 1: are complaining. But but cash spending is not the same

462
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Speaker 1: as I know, against the cap. I know it's not

463
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 1: you know, but every team is up against the cap

464
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 1: at the end of every year. But when Bill says

465
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Speaker 1: we were the lowest in you know, cash spending, he's

466
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Speaker 1: not talking about the cap. I understand that, you know,

467
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 1: but it all counts. And because he you know, invested

468
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 1: in you know, a few special teamers, that didn't mean

469
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 1: he couldn't get them. They made a decision not I

470
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Speaker 1: know what. I totally agree. Yeah, and that's why. Yeah,

471
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Speaker 1: but it's not because they signs. Well, I'm not saying

472
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Speaker 1: because because they didn't want to spend a lot have

473
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Speaker 1: budget and they hit the budget. However they do it.

474
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Speaker 1: It's it's not even it's not even that, Paul, you know,

475
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Speaker 1: and I'm sure you're right. Money has everything to do

476
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Speaker 1: with it, but it's it's that precentage of the cap

477
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 1: that they're willing to give to individuals. It's just kissed Freddy.

478
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 1: I'm one hundred percent that might be an outdated philosophy

479
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 1: because the cap goes up so much every year anyway,

480
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 1: you never, you know, it gets to how much the

481
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:19,479
Speaker 1: owner really wants to dip into cash cash it. You know,

482
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,360
Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with with the uh, the cap.

483
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,880
Speaker 1: I agree, I'm one percent with you. I was saying, yeah,

484
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Speaker 1: I'm one hundred percent with you. So and at the

485
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 1: same time that all of this stuff is going one way,

486
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 1: special teams are going the other way. The league is

487
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 1: legislating them out and they're not adjusting in any way,

488
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Speaker 1: shape or form. Yeah, well, you know, I know, it's

489
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 1: pennies on the dollar and you don't have to worry

490
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Speaker 1: about it. I think it matters. Yeah, you guys don't.

491
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 1: That's okay. We don't all have to agree on everything.

492
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many, you know times, even when

493
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Speaker 1: Brady was here and where you know, you had that

494
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 1: special team's play that sparked a game or turned the

495
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 1: game around down or you know you forced to fumble

496
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 1: on it. You know, when you're trying to come from

497
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: behind on a punt and you got the ball back,

498
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 1: so you get you know, you know that extra possession.

499
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: It makes a difference. It does. And they did that

500
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 1: last year from Buffalo too, and you know what happened.

501
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 1: They lost, Like we forget about those plays. But we

502
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 1: forget so you can you can name it and it

503
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 1: you know, an instance, but it just it. It does

504
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: matter to have good special teams play. It does. Sorry

505
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: if you say so. I would like to the only

506
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Speaker 1: special teams player that really impacts wins and losses. If

507
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: you got a field goal kicker who can't make one. Yeah,

508
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,160
Speaker 1: I would like to get rid of kicking in football.

509
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 1: I really would. It's well they have you got your wish.

510
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 1: I mean the especially when you play outdoors in the Northeast,

511
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:53,120
Speaker 1: I think you need good You need good special team play,

512
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 1: you know, because even if you have a good kicker,

513
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: you know, the wind starts kicking up whether you're not

514
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,199
Speaker 1: going to be able to get it in the end

515
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 1: zone consistently in November, December all the time, so you

516
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: have to be ready when you can't. This is a

517
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,199
Speaker 1: line too with like the team and your point now

518
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 1: plays that they made, you know, the player came to

519
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: mind was the Cleveland twenty thirteen on side recovery and

520
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: then they ended up winning. It's like that's a lot

521
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 1: to ask for, Like can you just ask for special

522
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: teams that don't screw up and they don't have to

523
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: make a huge play, but they just don't, you know,

524
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 1: like they just don't. Like last year was so intense.

525
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: That's true too, that you know, you had game changing

526
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Speaker 1: plays and I mean nothing is a worse example than

527
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: that last week in Buffalo where right off the snap,

528
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: you know it's it's already, You're already in the hole.

529
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I just I do think though

530
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 1: that a little bit of a cautionary tale last year

531
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: of you know, I mean, in a way you're playing, Hey,

532
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: we're playing DeMarcus Mitchell where we went and got Riley Webb. Hey,

533
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: we got rookies playing special teams. These are guys, you know,

534
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: somewhat to Paul's point of guys that aren't really you know,

535
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Speaker 1: going to have a major investment. And you know, I

536
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: do think that you saw and they make a commitment

537
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 1: to it and they spend a lot of time with it.

538
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: Brendan Schooler and DeMarcus Mitchell. Last year we all saw

539
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: it every day at training camp. It was Matthew Slater

540
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 1: one oh one, like, yeah, that's I think that's awesome.

541
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: I'm not telling you to ignore special teams and let

542
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: the other team return kicks and block punts. That's how

543
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 1: I want to do it, though. I want to get

544
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 1: young guys identified and have them do it, and then

545
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,360
Speaker 1: when they get four years in the league and they

546
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: become UFA's you say thank you. If you're not a

547
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: guy who can play defense for me, Brendan Schooler, you

548
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 1: can go somewhere else and make them, you know, one

549
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 1: point five somewhere and I'm going to take another guy

550
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: and do the same thing that I did with you.

551
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: That's what I want to do. Yeah. Sure, one guy

552
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: like Matthew Slater, who's inspirational and let's face it, his

553
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: value is far more off the field than on the field. Fine. Absolutely,

554
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: do we have to have five of them, which they've

555
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 1: had in the past. Maybe they don't have that anymore,

556
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: but they have, you know, with the Brandon Kings and

557
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 1: the Larry Iszos and the garage Cherry's the world like.

558
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: They've had a lot of those guys over the years,

559
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: a lot, and I think it's paid off for them. Okay,

560
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: I think Tom Brady paid off for them. That's where

561
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 1: we disagree. Okay. I think there were games like I

562
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: don't think you win games without Tom Brady. I think

563
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 1: even with Tom Brady here, you know, and I'm not

564
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: a savant like you, Paul, that there were games where

565
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 1: key special teams plays sparked a win or a comeback

566
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 1: or whatever. Troy Brown in the AFC Championship game against

567
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh sure doesn't matter, right, Oh, it turns of fun

568
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 1: for a touchdown in the title game. Again, I'm just

569
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: saying the Patriots didn't make the playoffs last year because

570
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: of special teams. I didn't say. It's like saying the problems.

571
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: I didn't say that. Who said that? I don't know

572
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: who said that? Who said that? Strong man? It doesn't

573
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 1: Should I do it? Should I do it? It was

574
00:27:55,440 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: a fact hereabout special when it costs the layoffs last year? Yeah? Yeah,

575
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 1: that in the two fifty yard touchdown passes by Josh

576
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: and Allen cost you the bills. Okay, I didn't say that,

577
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: but it was a factor. Though it was a factor.

578
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: Of course, these plays are big plays. I'm not I'm

579
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: not dismissing special teams at all, Like, don't take it

580
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 1: to the Andy Hart like, yeah, absurd, absurd. Yeah, I'm

581
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: not telling you that when you get a punt blocked

582
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: and you let them return a kick and you run

583
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 1: into the kicker to negate a fourth thound stop in

584
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: the fourth that those plays don't count. Yeah, I'm just

585
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: saying they're not that big a deal in the grand

586
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: scheme of a season. Special teams do not take that

587
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: much of a precedence. I think the concern that I

588
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: agree with you that if you can develop younger guys

589
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: that are cheap on rookie contracts to play those roles,

590
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: it's better for your football team. But some of those

591
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: guys last year were right in the middle of a

592
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: lot of the problems. You know, Pierre Strong, not to

593
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: throw him under the bus, but he runs into the

594
00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: punter against against Minnesota as a rookie and a score

595
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: touchdown right, right, And you know, a guy like that's

596
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: a good that's a good pier. As many plays as

597
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: he made, he also made some bone headed penalties, right

598
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: and Yeah, Pier Strong was also at the point of

599
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: attack on the second kickoff return against Buffalo, and then

600
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: he got benched afterwards. You know, I'm not saying that

601
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: that made or braid their season or anything like that,

602
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: but I think sometimes, yeah, it'd be great if you

603
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: could have young Schooler I think is a really good

604
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: young special teamer, but he's also focusing solely on special teams,

605
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: whereas with Pierre is Strong and they're trying to develop

606
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: him at running back and they're trying to develop him

607
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: in the kicking game. And clearly he didn't have listen,

608
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: he made some mistakes, There's no question about it. I

609
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: want guys like that. I want guys like ray Kwa

610
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: McMillan and Jabrill Peppers my backup players who can actually play,

611
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: to be my special teamers. Now, did it work last year? No,

612
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,719
Speaker 1: those guys were. Jabrill Peppers is still chasing nahem hinz right.

613
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: He didn't He couldn't make a play. But I would

614
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: rather have that than Cody Davis. Well, to be fair,

615
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: I think Chris Board is that. I don't think Chris

616
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: Board is in the Cody Davis category. Chris Board has

617
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: actually played snaps on defense, so he's he is your

618
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: fourth or fifth linebacker slash if he can. If he

619
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: can do that and then push somebody else off the

620
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: roster so I don't have to keep then that, then

621
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: I'm fine with that, Absolutely fine. But if he's just

622
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: a special teams guy like Brandon Bolden could play offense

623
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: if he needed to. You didn't want him out there

624
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: all the time, but he could play offense. That's what

625
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: I want my core special teams to be. I think

626
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: Chris board is more Brandon Bolden than he is Cody Davis,

627
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: and just to be no problem with no problem with

628
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: that signing. Cody Davis is still Cody Davis is still

629
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: no And I know we still have those those those

630
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: kinds of guys, and I don't think we have as

631
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: many as we used to. So it's not something that

632
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: I stay up at night won't wonder about. But I

633
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: do think that it's just funny to me that we're

634
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: all clamoring for DeAndre Hopkins or some thing and we're

635
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: resigning backup linebackers and taking a special team ace away

636
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: from another team. And I hear that, but you can

637
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: still get Hopkins. That's not gonna stop you for the

638
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: only thing that's gonna stop you from getting Hopkins is

639
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: yourself if you don't want to pony up whatever the

640
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: compensation is to him and to the Cardinals. That's the

641
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: only thing that's gonna stop you. It's it's not signing

642
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: Chris Board. But what if they think it's too much money?

643
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: That's that's like I said, they can only the only

644
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: thing that's going to stop them is themselves. That they

645
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: don't they're not willing to spend the money. It's not

646
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: because they signed Chris Board and Cody Davis and whoever

647
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: the hell else they're gonna have to sign a new punter. No,

648
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: they should still have all the resources they need to

649
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: make those those those moves, right, I mean right now,

650
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: Like I hear that, I don't know. I'm hearing all

651
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: these different Maybe Miguel Kind tells, but they only have

652
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: twelve million left to spend or something like that against

653
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: the cap. I don't know. It means nothing right now,

654
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: because you can redo contracts and everything like that. So

655
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: you know, whatever that number is, it's not it. You

656
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: can manipulate that. You can make it. But you guys

657
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: all go to Hunter Henry and say, hey, well you

658
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: know moving on from the special teams thing. But you

659
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: guys all in favor of Hopkins. Yeah, I'd rather get

660
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: Judy Younger. No, I would rather get Judy too because

661
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: of that. But I mean, no question, do you guys

662
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: want Hopkins if that's if that's if that's it, Like,

663
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: if that's the only option, then that's only that perfectly

664
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: said right there. If that's my only option, I'll take it.

665
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: Otherwise I don't really want him, but he I mean,

666
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,719
Speaker 1: I totally recognize that that you're number one. Like, I

667
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: can't be a fraud and say I'm clamoring for number

668
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: one receiver. Hopkins is available, not one, number one, And

669
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: I know you know you'll hear that he's absolutely the

670
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,239
Speaker 1: number one receiver. I guess it's just wishful thinking, you know.

671
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: And these guys get paid a lot of money because

672
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: of it. But you just love to get that one

673
00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: guy that's got you know, pure speed, who can win,

674
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: like not just fifty fifty, but just beat the guy

675
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: at the line and get open. That's not I don't

676
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,719
Speaker 1: know if he has but he has the presence, you know,

677
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: And that's and like and I don't even want to

678
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: put it through the this organization needs a guy right now.

679
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: But I put it to it's gonna put butts in

680
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: training camp seats if DeAndre Hopkins is out there, I

681
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: want that guy who immediately recognizes I got my guy

682
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: beat and raises his hand. Yeah, going down. But I

683
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: do think that there is the potential. I'm not saying

684
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: twenty touchdowns, but like, I think there is the potential

685
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: that Hopkins, who is roughly the same age as Randy

686
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: Moss when they acquired him in oh seven, has one

687
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: or two great years left in him at that level

688
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: of like an all Pro receiver. But he I watched

689
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: all of his catches from last year yesterday and just

690
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: in case, that's what I like to do it, just

691
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: just in case film and that the guys are draped

692
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: all over him like they just you know. And sometimes

693
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: he makes these plays that what about in the red zone,

694
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: can't separate same thing, you know. And and I think

695
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: some of the things that you see with his routes

696
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: or if he's got off coverage, like he'll get up

697
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: on the toes and snap off the route and he'll

698
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: create separation that way. But in terms of running by anybody,

699
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: like those days are are done for him. He's based

700
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: off of what he showed last year. So you're getting

701
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: another one of those receivers that wins at the catchpoint

702
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: with body control and great hands, and he's got all

703
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: of that him. He's one of the best outside the

704
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: number receivers in the league. Still, there's no doubt about it.

705
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: But I would prefer not just because of age, but

706
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: also because of his separation ability a guy like Judy

707
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: because he gets open. You know, he's somebody that can

708
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 1: create five yards of separation because and that's what Bill says,

709
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: what makes a good receiver a guy him get open

710
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: and catch it. I mean, it's I've always liked happen.

711
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: I mean he's been so productive, Yeah, he has. I've

712
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: always liked him. I think he competes. I think some people,

713
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: you know, watch the Monday night game and he had

714
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: the ridiculous fumble where he didn't even get hitty at

715
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: the ball and he basically dropped it, and they're like, well,

716
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: I don't want that guy because he doesn't compete. And

717
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, watch the rest of his career.

718
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 1: If you think he doesn't compete, Colt McCoy throwing it

719
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: to him. Yeah, I think there was you know, like

720
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 1: the third play of the game or whatever it was,

721
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: their quarterback goes down. Where do you think that those

722
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: guys went that night? At four four and eight? We

723
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: just lost our quarterback. You know we're gonna lose this game. Yeah, yeah, No,

724
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: I like him. I mean, I again, I don't want

725
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: to put a lot into like the Amazon show, but

726
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: you know, just getting a sense to him and his mom,

727
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: who has you know, a crazy story. It's just there's

728
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: a lot to like there. As as a guy. I've

729
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: always liked Hopkins. I've always it's also just getting to

730
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: the point now where he might actually be a bargain right.

731
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: You know, that's my whole point. The trade compensation is

732
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: not going to be as much as he might have thought,

733
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: and he reworks the contract to make it work on

734
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: the books, and it's what, I mean, what do we

735
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: but just what are we doing? We know we need

736
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: to know him, Mac. We know Bill is winding down.

737
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: I mean, he's in his seventies. He's not gonna be

738
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: here forever. It's just you know, there needs to be

739
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: a little bit of immediacy. And I mean just to

740
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: kind of tie this in because I saw the clip

741
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,919
Speaker 1: again today a teddy, you know, saying that he saw

742
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: operating like he still has Tom, Like I just feel

743
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: like he's operating like he's always operated. And that is

744
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 1: you know, the whole time Tom was here was we

745
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: gotta get him that number one. I mean, we're saying

746
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: the same things right now we said when Tom was

747
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: here and the special teams thing, it's the same bill.

748
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: But that in a nutshell is might worry because you know,

749
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 1: and I looked at like at the end of last year,

750
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 1: the twenty one season, when they lost in the playoffs

751
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: forty seven seventeen, and he had that quote that lives on,

752
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,479
Speaker 1: you know for a couple of reasons, one of which

753
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: that he called something that happened twelve hours before last year.

754
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: But he said, we have to find out if that

755
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: was a bad night or if that's what we were

756
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: that was the least competitive game we had all of

757
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: last year, he said, based on the way they went

758
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: about their offseason. I think that he kave you was

759
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,919
Speaker 1: answered he thought that was a bad night. I think

760
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: that most people who watched the last half of the year, No,

761
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: it wasn't a bad night. It was more indicative of

762
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 1: what the team was when they played against quality competition.

763
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: Fast forward a whole year now, and I think his

764
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: actions are telling you, what have they finished in defense?

765
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: Eighth in terms of points or whatever something like that. Hey, something,

766
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: give me a number. So I think eleventh and points

767
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: eighth in yours. Okay, So I think so far he's

768
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: telling you that I'm really good with my defense, Like, yeah, yeah,

769
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: I don't think that's smart. I don't think I would

770
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: be really good with the defense. I think every time

771
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: they played a team with a quarterback, they were powerless

772
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: and they had a hard time. And he's acting like,

773
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: I have the eighth I have the eighth best defense

774
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: in football. I don't have to worry about that without

775
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: also even worrying about the fact that he lost two

776
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 1: parts to his secondary. Now there's a whole draft to come,

777
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: and I get that there's a lot of stuff that's

778
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: still going to happen, but I worry. To your point, Mike,

779
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: this is the way he operated, and he thinks he

780
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: was right. I don't think he was right. I think

781
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 1: they you know, I didn't have to get a number

782
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: one receiver for Tom Brady because I'm that good. I

783
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: think it was well because Tom Brady elevated everybody around

784
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: him to a level they could win championships and beyond

785
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: the precipice of championships. With like Reche Caldwell as my

786
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,720
Speaker 1: number one receiver, I can do it because I'm Tom Brady.

787
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: I don't think they have that luxury anymore. I don't

788
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: think he thinks it was because of Tom Brady. I

789
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,760
Speaker 1: think he thinks we have the eighth best defense because

790
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 1: my son's running the defense, that we can shut these

791
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,439
Speaker 1: guys down well. And I think two to the point,

792
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: it's it's it's about the whole middle class thing. And

793
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: I'm going to build the roster this way and we're not.

794
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's I mean, and I just I

795
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: wonder if it's a lot too. And I think we're

796
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: valid in our hope that he might switch his philosophy.

797
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: But you know a head coach who's been doing this forever,

798
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: who gets to this point, is it asking a lot

799
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: to say, Yeah, you lost that quarterback you need you

800
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,240
Speaker 1: need in your last whatever it is, five six, seven seasons,

801
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: you need to you need to reevaluate what you're doing,

802
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: and you need to change. It's a lot to ask

803
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 1: of anybody who's been doing a job for fifty years

804
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: and then got a change for the last five years,

805
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: do it a new way. So you know, it's your

806
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: thing that I always teach you about, right, you know, right, No,

807
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: like you and you still think that that that that

808
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: strong middle class was why they won all those titles. No,

809
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: And I think to the point with the Santa clause

810
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: that I still do believe in It's just that you

811
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: do need a team. And I don't want to get

812
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: into the Pioli thing, but I just speak from personal experience.

813
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: Of my best teams that I was on were teams

814
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 1: that were well constructed in terms of personalities and guy

815
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: we would maybe not the most talented guy's balance, but

816
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: but there was balanced and there was in the locker room.

817
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: You just had a feel for it. And I mean,

818
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: you know, and even just going to what mccordy had

819
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: to say about last year about there was never that

820
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: like true belief in the offense, like it's just impossible

821
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: weapons all this stuff you talk about to to generate

822
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: and that would never suggest like Daniel Snyder in like

823
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: the early two thousands, you know, just signing every big

824
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: name star that he could. That doesn't work now there's

825
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: a balance. You do have to find a mix. I

826
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: just feel like, especially if they want to win every year, Yeah,

827
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: I don't care about that. I just want to put

828
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: I want to put the best team on the field

829
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: that I can put on the field. But that doesn't

830
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: necessarily like, yeah, be easy to say, well, we're gonna

831
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 1: sign Hopkins and Judy, you know, like screw deciding between

832
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: the two of them like that. Don't like that. Stuff

833
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: doesn't always work. And I recognize that it's not about

834
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: putting together the best fantasy team that you can, but

835
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: it also ain't about just finding all the scrappy just

836
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: don't have the top of the roster talent. Yeah, Like,

837
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: I think this offseason has been pretty solid for filling

838
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 1: out eleven through fifty three on the roster, but the

839
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: top ten guys on the roster still don't stack up.

840
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: They don't have a number one ride receiver, they don't

841
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: really have a shutdown corner, they don't have a franchise

842
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: left tackle. Like those are those premium positions and you

843
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: can't draft them all at fourteen, so something has to

844
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: come in a different way. And if they go out

845
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 1: and they trade for Hopkins and then fourteen becomes Joey

846
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,760
Speaker 1: Porter Junior, and now you do have a lockdown corner.

847
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Speaker 1: That was another funny conversation your guys had, Paul. They

852
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Speaker 1: I want to go back to Paul's point though, because I,

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Speaker 1: you know, wrote a little summation yesterday and I felt

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863
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Speaker 1: Mac Wilson, Ray qua mcmill A little bit of a

865
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866
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Speaker 1: high on what they might contribute. You essentially swapped Jonathan

867
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868
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Speaker 1: First three? Well, it's three. I mean, it's one of

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881
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884
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Speaker 1: it'd probably because that's a position that you got Judean.

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889
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890
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Speaker 1: been kicking the tires on some of these veteran guys,

891
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: but you know, just to Paul's point, explain to me

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Speaker 1: explain that to me, like I'm three. That's what you know.

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Speaker 1: That's what I want to know, because until you take

895
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896
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899
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Speaker 1: dead serious. I think that we look around and I'm

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Speaker 1: mean like sort of the reaction is like, well, the

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904
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905
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Speaker 1: one's saying that, but people are saying their best days

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Speaker 1: it out and hope everybody comes back to us as

909
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910
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Speaker 1: Evan's point about the roster, right, I think it's it's

911
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: the top ten people who ended the season on the roster.

912
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: There's no additions to it. And you probably took you mean,

913
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: at least one away, maybe two. Right. You know mccordy

914
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Speaker 1: was one of the ten best players in the roster, right, Yeah,

915
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Speaker 1: so you took one away. I don't really think you

916
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Speaker 1: add now. I think that maybe maybe Juju is one

917
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Speaker 1: of the top ten players in the run now and

918
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: he replaces Myers. Right, So, like every every guy they

919
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Speaker 1: added replace someone they lost of comparable value swaps. We

920
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Speaker 1: could have whole shows arguing how much of an upgrade

921
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: Ghisicki is and how much of an upgrade James Robinson is,

922
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: how much of an upgrade Juju is. I think you

923
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Speaker 1: can make a reasonable argument that they're all better or

924
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Speaker 1: they're all about the same. I certainly would say GAISICKI

925
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Speaker 1: is better than John do. I don't think that's like

926
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Speaker 1: an outrageous statement. Um, but I don't think it's like

927
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Speaker 1: the difference between Travis Kelsey and you know, rat whatever

928
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Speaker 1: his name is. You just can't You can't do it

929
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: all in the draft. You can't leave it all up

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Speaker 1: to the end of April. And that's why trading for

931
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins, even though he's not my first choice, it

932
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: fills a need, it fills a hole, It fills a

933
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 1: top end of the roster spot in the top ten

934
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Speaker 1: of that of that discussion, in my view, you know what,

935
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Speaker 1: the biggest upgrade has been backup tackle. Yeah. Yeah, because

936
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Speaker 1: I'm not who the starter at tackle is still, would

937
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Speaker 1: you what you're gonna come out with some depth? Probably?

938
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Speaker 1: I like the idea of Riley Reef and Calvin Anderson

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Speaker 1: I know, but I would feel better if whoever the

941
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942
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Speaker 1: in for would you give up DeVante Parker to get Hopkins? Yes, yeah,

943
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Speaker 1: I think that. I don't. I think those guys are

944
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Speaker 1: done hesitation there. Yeah, but we should mention that Damien

945
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946
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Speaker 1: did he sign? Now, he's the Damien har Is for

947
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Speaker 1: James Robinson one two though that one's dicey to me

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Speaker 1: as well, Like I think James Robins very similar player.

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Speaker 1: I think James Robinson has more passing game receiving upside certainly,

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Speaker 1: but he's got that Achilles that he just I mean,

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953
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954
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Speaker 1: like that's that's a little different, especially at that position.

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Speaker 1: These are some boomer bust swings that they're taking Juju

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Speaker 1: Robinson for Damian Harris. These swaps could either be home

958
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,520
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959
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 1: I do like them, but I can't deny that I'm

960
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: wondering if we just kind of shuffled the chairs around

961
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: a little bit. I don't think that with those three

962
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963
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Speaker 1: but it's not as good in another. Little area. Now,

964
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: it's better than losing those three and not replacing them. Yeah,

965
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Speaker 1: that's the one thing that I have to give them

966
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967
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Speaker 1: let Ted Carriss walk and they waited to the draft

968
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Speaker 1: Probably not, but I don't. I don't think forty six

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Speaker 1: I'll let it go. I looked at paul because Paula

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Speaker 1: you know my thing is, you gotta stick around picking

1260
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:25,479
Speaker 1: on Tycoon. You're luck, you're trying to find out what

1261
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 1: what Mac is. You need to find out what he

1262
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 1: and then that's true at number fourteen, pick I'll go

1263
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 1: up and get guns dollars bumping. Sorry, you need a corner,

1264
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 1: but y'all want Quinnon Johnson, I go up, get guns dollars.

1265
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 1: You need a corner us a number one corner. That

1266
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 1: guy's gonna be I can't. I just got it right.

1267
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 1: I just can't imagine Gonzalez hangs on. No, I can't

1268
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 1: like that type of They got him about Keen, they

1269
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 1: got him Keen or he's a seventeen. I think Johnson

1270
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 1: going to either twelve or you're going. I think Gonzalez

1271
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 1: is gonna go one really high. I think Jeremiah had

1272
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 1: him like six or something, but still behind Weatherspoon, which

1273
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 1: I don't totally get, but yeah, Weatherspoon has flash Year

1274
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 1: film than than Gonzalez, like more plays on the football.

1275
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 1: But Gonzalez is smooth, plays inside, plays outside. Man's like

1276
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 1: he just does it all high light. He does it

1277
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 1: all exactly sixty three and can run too. Yeah, you

1278
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 1: can run like you got somebody shut down in corner

1279
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 1: wide receivers. I hate coas Miami got two shut down

1280
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 1: corners down. That's really gonna make it hard for us.

1281
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 1: I don't get who's doing the ball on eightside instead defense,

1282
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 1: they're gonna be worried about. Yeah, yeah, I mean I

1283
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 1: think what Miami did, Yeah, thanks Eldred. What Miami did,

1284
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 1: I think makes a lessnse that the defense was wretched

1285
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 1: last year. And I think that they feel like they

1286
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 1: can score enough to win, but they couldn't stop anybody

1287
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 1: and if it works, Look, Ramsey's not the same guy

1288
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 1: who was in Jacksonville. I think x is the same guy.

1289
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 1: And I see. I wonder if Fangio scares me more

1290
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 1: than I worry mentally about Howard, because you know how

1291
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 1: those guys are like everyone anymore. Everybody talks about the

1292
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 1: Diva wide receivers. Well, there are Diva cornerbacks too, oh yeah,

1293
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 1: And I think Howard might look at that and say, oh,

1294
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 1: you're bringing this guy in you think he's better than me,

1295
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 1: you know, than me that I was waiting for Fred, Like,

1296
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 1: I think that could be a problem too. And I

1297
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 1: think they both can play. I think they're both really good.

1298
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 1: And I think Fangio is a good move. Although you know,

1299
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 1: suddenly I pick on the media too much, so I'm

1300
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 1: gonna leave it up. But suddenly Fangio became like the

1301
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 1: second coming of like Buddy Ryan in the mid eighties

1302
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 1: with six comparison. I like it. I like that, all right.

1303
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 1: I also want to touch on, you know, what's going

1304
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 1: on elsewhere, and you have the whole Lamar Jackson situation,

1305
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 1: and you know, people out there talks ramping up, some

1306
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 1: of them with blue check marks still say that the

1307
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 1: Patriots might be inquiring about Lamar Jackson. Yeah. I just

1308
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 1: could never rule it out. I don't think it's necessarily

1309
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 1: true that they're, you know, really trying to figure out

1310
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 1: how to make it happen. But I just wouldn't. I

1311
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 1: would never rule them out with a with a player

1312
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 1: like this that just always seems to be reel though

1313
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 1: not really. But I just I can't. I can't say that, oh,

1314
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 1: it will never happen. Like I just I leave the

1315
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 1: door open with a player like that with Bill, with

1316
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 1: with you know, some of the resources going forward, and

1317
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 1: just the immediacy like you need to know. Like with Bill,

1318
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 1: like it's if you gotta do it, you gotta do it,

1319
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 1: because if if you do it and you don't and

1320
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 1: it fails, then you got Max saying well, if you do,

1321
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 1: it's probably that's probably not here anymore. Or you mean

1322
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 1: try to just try to go for him. I go

1323
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 1: for and you don't get it. Now you're stuck. Now

1324
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 1: you have That's that's a scenario I hadn't really considered

1325
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 1: of that. He goes to say Team B and they say, well,

1326
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 1: we also had an offer from the Patriots of you

1327
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 1: know of that didn't quite do like mm right, not great,

1328
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 1: not great. That's why I think that if there was

1329
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 1: a chance that he would come here, we would hear

1330
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 1: nothing right about yeah right, because but but it's hard

1331
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 1: to keep that on the wraps because there's another side,

1332
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 1: and the other side's Lamar, and he likes to go

1333
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 1: on Twitter or whatever and say, what's what you know?

1334
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 1: I mean? It's also, though, do you think that we're

1335
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 1: a little bit too worried about Max? Psyche with things

1336
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 1: like this, like is the Like there's just part of

1337
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 1: me that's just like this is football though, like if

1338
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 1: you don't do the job, and you're not doing the

1339
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 1: job at a high level. And I'm sure Evan like

1340
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 1: will back me up on this this point of view,

1341
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 1: you know, Like I just feel like and it's gonna

1342
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 1: be this is gonna sound funny coming from me. I'm

1343
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 1: gonna be a little defensive of Mac. But I do

1344
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:34,520
Speaker 1: think it's a little different with a quarterback because it's

1345
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 1: such a mental position. And yeah, I think in general

1346
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 1: most guys would understand, well, you know, that's Lamar Jackson,

1347
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 1: it's an MVP. But at the same time, it's it's

1348
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 1: hard to court somebody to take your job and then say,

1349
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 1: all right, we couldn't get that guy. Yeah, yeah, Hey,

1350
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 1: we got all the faith in the world, do you,

1351
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 1: Evan go out there and lead us on an eighty

1352
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 1: yard touchdown drive. That's why I wouldn't go to offer

1353
01:07:56,360 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 1: sheet route if they are interested, because that's happened right

1354
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 1: that it has a lot of potential for that to happen.

1355
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:04,959
Speaker 1: Whereas if he signs the tender and then you trade

1356
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 1: for him after that, then you can do it a

1357
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 1: little bit more behind closed doors, but I would just

1358
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 1: present it this way. What's more likely the Patriots trade

1359
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 1: for an actual wide receiver, the Patriots trade from Lamar Jackson,

1360
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 1: I would say. But it took continue this threat though, Paul, like,

1361
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: you know, never like coming out saying Max, our guy

1362
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 1: Mac can play in this league, you know what I mean?

1363
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 1: Like it's it's you're kind of playing at both ways

1364
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:32,560
Speaker 1: and they don't want to scare him, but they do.

1365
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 1: It's an endorsement of Mac. No, Yeah, I think Bill,

1366
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 1: Bill has had many opportunities to endorse Mack and he's

1367
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:42,440
Speaker 1: chosen not to. Um. I think there's a lot of indecision,

1368
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 1: you know, in the coaching on the coaching staff with

1369
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 1: got to his future. But you know, I think a

1370
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 1: lot of those I mean, I think a lot of

1371
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 1: those should be answered in year three. I fear that

1372
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 1: we're going to be talking about this for two more years.

1373
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 1: And is there a chance that the Rogers thing falls

1374
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 1: through for the Jets, Like the Jets just get fed

1375
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:04,599
Speaker 1: up with the Packers. I think the Jets are too desperate,

1376
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:07,679
Speaker 1: they're too forget the term pregnant with this idea. They're

1377
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 1: too pregnant, like right now, this is happening as they

1378
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 1: see it. Their players are on board. I think if

1379
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 1: the Jets fail to make it happen, it's gonna be like,

1380
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:17,639
Speaker 1: I don't want to say a death blow, but it's

1381
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 1: gonna be a major blow to that team because they

1382
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 1: all think that they've got him right now, and I

1383
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 1: think the Packers can afford to just kind of wait,

1384
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:24,680
Speaker 1: what what could the Packers be asking for that is

1385
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:28,840
Speaker 1: holding this up? Like, what price is too high? I

1386
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 1: think they're asking for at least a first round pick. Yeah,

1387
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 1: they wouldn't go They go fourteen. You would wait a minute,

1388
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 1: fourteen right, the Jets right ahead of us, the thirteenth

1389
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 1: overall pick for forty year old Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, who

1390
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 1: may or may not like play Like, okay, so you

1391
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:47,680
Speaker 1: know you're gonna pick thirteen, who may or may not

1392
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 1: be a great player for ten years. You know you're

1393
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:53,559
Speaker 1: gonna have Rodgers for three years? No, you don't. That's

1394
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 1: what you're counting on here. I've almost retired this office. Yeah,

1395
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 1: he retired. I think if you get one really good

1396
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 1: year out of him, consider yourself luck. Yeah, I mean

1397
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 1: it's like five a little bit but I mean he's

1398
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 1: gonna go on a darkness retreat again and then come

1399
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 1: out and the vision go to the Jets, because that

1400
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 1: can happen twice. So I think it's worse than five

1401
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:14,679
Speaker 1: because five came and people forget that five actually worked.

1402
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 1: He was really he was really good for the balance

1403
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 1: of the season, and then he ruptured his biceps and

1404
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 1: he stunked down the stretch and they they lost all

1405
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:26,559
Speaker 1: those games. It didn't make the playoffs. Like, I don't

1406
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 1: worry about Rogers in terms of getting injured. I worry

1407
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 1: about what Evan said. But I went into this retreat,

1408
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:38,599
Speaker 1: I'm out. But if it comes out another retreat in July,

1409
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:40,800
Speaker 1: if I'm Joe Douglas, I sit down with him and

1410
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 1: I you know, I said, we need we need at

1411
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 1: least three years from you. You know he's not gonna

1412
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:47,760
Speaker 1: give you. Are you gonna commit to three years? And

1413
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:49,639
Speaker 1: if he says yes, I give him a first round

1414
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 1: pick for him. No, that's a little scam Newton with that. Uh.

1415
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:00,759
Speaker 1: He says. His big thing is, I'm let's back. There

1416
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:03,280
Speaker 1: ain't thirty two better than me? I think there are,

1417
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 1: you know what? They maybe sixty four better than him?

1418
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 1: Never changed Cam Newton. He has the same energy as

1419
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 1: like the day he was the starter here of just

1420
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 1: the big smile and like you would have no idea

1421
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 1: that this guy is like just barely even hang on.

1422
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 1: But you know, based on the way Bill treated him,

1423
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 1: it's all a facade. He's soft underneath, it's all that's

1424
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 1: all a facade, that's all exterior coding. But underneath he's

1425
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 1: he's sensitive. He's sensitive. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean,

1426
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 1: I mean, just like he can't handle it now since

1427
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 1: a Rob Nikovitch this morning, he's talking about all these

1428
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 1: guys that are you know, backups, and and he's talking,

1429
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 1: you know, if this guy can get a job, and

1430
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 1: that guy can get a job, if Baker Mayfield and

1431
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 1: you know, Heredy Dalton's still in the league, and I'm like,

1432
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:53,240
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield's better than Cam Newton. First of all, these

1433
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:56,559
Speaker 1: guys have played better than Cam Newton more recently number one,

1434
01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 1: but number two. If Cam Newton just wanted to be

1435
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:02,640
Speaker 1: a backup, he had that opportunity last year and how

1436
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 1: did he do? He was terrible? Right, he took over

1437
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 1: in Carolina in the middle of the year. Right, that

1438
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 1: was last year, two years ago and he was terrible, terrible, Like,

1439
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 1: that's Cam Newton, the backup quarterback, So you want to

1440
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:20,800
Speaker 1: make part of Andy Dalton. I agree, he's not Andy

1441
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 1: Dalton's not good, but like as a backup, he's going

1442
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:26,679
Speaker 1: to go out there and he's gonna not fall down.

1443
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 1: He's a Bryan Hoyer. He's also saying he's one of

1444
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 1: the best thirty two quarterbacks in the league, not one

1445
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 1: of the best sixty four. Well I would say I'm

1446
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:36,519
Speaker 1: not sure he's one of the best sixty four. I

1447
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 1: would rather have all these guys that you know, and

1448
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 1: Nikovitch brought up Chad Henny. I don't think Newton could

1449
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 1: do with Chad Henny did in the playoff game that

1450
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:47,599
Speaker 1: Henny did, right, I don't think he's capable of that.

1451
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:51,040
Speaker 1: I mean throwing the ball, like reading the breeding progressions

1452
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:52,720
Speaker 1: and getting but that was a great drive that he

1453
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 1: led again in Jacksonville in that game. Oh yeah, that

1454
01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:59,439
Speaker 1: playoff game that Henny did. I don't think Henny's anything special,

1455
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:02,760
Speaker 1: but as a veteran backup, he's prepared to come in

1456
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 1: and then they show the one clip of him, like,

1457
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 1: you know, same technique, that shoulder comes way back. He

1458
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 1: jeeves it, you know, I don't know, maybe it went

1459
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:15,960
Speaker 1: fifty yards and some guy like turns around and catches

1460
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 1: it against Are and it's like, oh, that's proof that

1461
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 1: he's you know, yeah. Yeah. Now listen, the only thing

1462
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:24,320
Speaker 1: I'll say in his defense when his time here is

1463
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 1: we're talking about the talent on the Patriots roster. There's

1464
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 1: a lot more talent on the Patriots roster now than

1465
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:36,600
Speaker 1: there was when Cam Newton, especially at receiver. Yeah, he

1466
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 1: would have killed to have like DeVante Parker and Taekwon

1467
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:43,599
Speaker 1: Thornton and Nelson Aglore and Jacoby Myers. Like the last

1468
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 1: couple he had Myers, that was it. What else was that?

1469
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:49,720
Speaker 1: I mean he had Edelman for a little bit five games, Yeah,

1470
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 1: Jamere Bird and Jacobe that was it. That was I mean,

1471
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:55,599
Speaker 1: that was a roster I like to say, the tight

1472
01:13:55,680 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 1: end of talent. Sorry, Matt Lacostal, total reset. They didn't

1473
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 1: total They had no time. So in defensive Cam Newton

1474
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:10,720
Speaker 1: he wasn't good in twenty twenty. He didn't have a

1475
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:13,440
Speaker 1: lot of help. Let's get to some of these emails

1476
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 1: at web radio at Patriots dot com. Sam says, Paul

1477
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 1: and Evan are wrong. How are you both wrong. He

1478
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:24,760
Speaker 1: has separate things, but I agree, he says Evan on

1479
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:27,840
Speaker 1: Thursday Show. He didn't stop to repeat himself that the

1480
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:30,479
Speaker 1: way the Patriots are setting themselves up in free agency

1481
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 1: is that they are not forced to take anyone at

1482
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:35,720
Speaker 1: number fourteen. They can take the best player available. Does

1483
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:38,040
Speaker 1: he still believe it? I think they're not forced to

1484
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:41,880
Speaker 1: take a cornerback at fourteen. I mean, how could they not.

1485
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 1: I mean if they were, I don't know. Before you

1486
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:46,280
Speaker 1: don't have Mills, now you brought back Jones. I mean

1487
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 1: you still have You believe that they're forced to take

1488
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 1: anyone at fourteen? That's no. No. I think that they're

1489
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 1: forced to take a wide receiver, a tackle, or a

1490
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 1: corner right now. But I don't think that they're forced

1491
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:58,680
Speaker 1: to take one of those positions over the The only

1492
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 1: thing I would argue is I don't think they were

1493
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:02,680
Speaker 1: forced to take a guard in the first round last year. No,

1494
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:05,920
Speaker 1: they chose to day felt forced Paul, He says. Every

1495
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:08,679
Speaker 1: time the conversation about te Higgins comes up, Paul says

1496
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 1: he can't see the Brown's ownership paying for Burrow, Chase

1497
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:14,799
Speaker 1: and Haggins. You don't want to rip other team's ownership

1498
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 1: and being cheap when the Patriots has spent over twenty

1499
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:20,639
Speaker 1: seven million bottom five less in cash this year from

1500
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 1: over the Bengals, who will probably spend more one. I

1501
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:28,320
Speaker 1: don't know what this guy can't right, Nobody said they

1502
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:31,600
Speaker 1: would be mass Yeah, the situation with the Bengal and

1503
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:34,639
Speaker 1: that's like, that's a fair point. I mean, like the Bengals,

1504
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 1: you know, Gabel Orlando Brown a big contract, although not

1505
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:41,760
Speaker 1: as big as I think he was probably expecting, but

1506
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:44,760
Speaker 1: they've spent some money in free agency. My point with

1507
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 1: the Bengals is they've been an organization that runs on

1508
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 1: a shoestring. And Fred will tell you some details because

1509
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 1: he has some inside information on this. They would take

1510
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:57,360
Speaker 1: their assistant coaches as an example, and as soon as

1511
01:15:57,400 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 1: the season was over, they hand them clipboards and they'd

1512
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:00,639
Speaker 1: helped them to go out and sky. They don't have

1513
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 1: a scouting department. They didn't, they do, they do now.

1514
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, those are the kinds of things that they

1515
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 1: did to save money. So when I'm talking about cheap

1516
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 1: and I'm talking about not paying a lot of money

1517
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:14,360
Speaker 1: for players, I'm not necessarily equating those two things. And

1518
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:19,280
Speaker 1: it certainly seems like Cincinnati has the intention of keeping

1519
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:23,080
Speaker 1: that core talent together on offense with Borrow, and Burrow's

1520
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:28,840
Speaker 1: already talked about trying to you know, you know, construct

1521
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:31,559
Speaker 1: his contract in a way that is conducive to keeping

1522
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:34,920
Speaker 1: Chase and Higgins, you know, Boyd to a lesser extent.

1523
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:37,800
Speaker 1: I think Boyd's a little older, so he won't necessarily

1524
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 1: command that kind of money. Good for them if they

1525
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:42,479
Speaker 1: do that, good for them because it's a really good

1526
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:44,400
Speaker 1: team and it should be a really good team for

1527
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:46,639
Speaker 1: a while. There's no need to break it up. How

1528
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:49,600
Speaker 1: much did the with Jesse Bates and you know, like

1529
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 1: with all that, like they they're gonna have to make decisions. Yeah,

1530
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:55,240
Speaker 1: And that's why I mean, I thought of an example

1531
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:57,559
Speaker 1: of like Marvin Harrison Reggie Wayne, which was a duo

1532
01:16:57,640 --> 01:16:59,600
Speaker 1: that was, you know, together for a while. But I

1533
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:02,760
Speaker 1: mean for me, it's it's Chase and then like I'd

1534
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 1: like to retain Higgins, but not at the cost of

1535
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 1: alienating Chase or Burrow. And you know, if you're that

1536
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:12,720
Speaker 1: goods Higgins, it's Chase. Yeah, and the Burrow is that good,

1537
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:14,599
Speaker 1: which I think he is, but I think he could

1538
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:18,960
Speaker 1: be able to I think that I know, you wouldn't

1539
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:21,479
Speaker 1: have traded up from You wouldn't have gone from nineteen

1540
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:24,720
Speaker 1: to twenty nine in the draft to take Higgins. I

1541
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 1: think I didn't hear that part. I think it would

1542
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 1: have just taken it. You know, the Bengals are in

1543
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:31,840
Speaker 1: the exact position though, that is a good They're a

1544
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 1: good team to in this situation. Is good because they

1545
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 1: can let Jesse Bates walk and Nolva pay him with

1546
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:40,439
Speaker 1: Nick Scott, who they just signed from the Rams, because

1547
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:42,800
Speaker 1: they have Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, and t Higgins to

1548
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 1: play in the margin, so that that that's those are

1549
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 1: the guys that Patriots are missing almost Patriot life, those

1550
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:51,559
Speaker 1: are the Those are the guys that Patriots are missing,

1551
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:54,120
Speaker 1: are Burrow and Chase and Higgins. They got all of

1552
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:57,480
Speaker 1: the the Nick Scotts that you could have, but they

1553
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 1: for teams like that, teams like Buffalo, they have Josh

1554
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 1: All Email is right though I said that, You know,

1555
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:06,840
Speaker 1: I worry about the Bengals retaining their talent because they're cheap,

1556
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 1: and at least in the present, they've they've shown that

1557
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:14,479
Speaker 1: they're willing to spend some money. They spent some money

1558
01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 1: in free agency last year um shoring up their offensive line.

1559
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 1: They've continued to do that this year. Gave Orlando Brown him. Yeah, big, big,

1560
01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:26,160
Speaker 1: big contract for Orlando Brown, biggest free agent deal for

1561
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman. Right, that was the biggest contract. Yeah.

1562
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 1: Well mcglinchy's is I think more in total money technically,

1563
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:34,840
Speaker 1: but I think in terms of guarantees or Landa Brown

1564
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:37,960
Speaker 1: beat him. So, I mean he's right. The email is right.

1565
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:41,800
Speaker 1: The Bengals have spent some money. Anthony writes in there

1566
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:44,639
Speaker 1: is a move out there that automatically makes the Patriots

1567
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:47,160
Speaker 1: a top five team in the AFC Super Bowl contenders

1568
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 1: and highly relevant for years to come. Of course he's

1569
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:53,719
Speaker 1: talking about Lamar. Yes, it costs two first round picks

1570
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:56,360
Speaker 1: and probably three hundred million dollars spread over six to

1571
01:18:56,479 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 1: seven years. Yup in the back three years of that

1572
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:02,120
Speaker 1: deal will look like a fantastic bargain based on how

1573
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 1: the market continues to evolve for high end quarterbacks. Name

1574
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:08,200
Speaker 1: me two consecutive first round picks you wouldn't trade away

1575
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:12,679
Speaker 1: for a top tier quarterback Cole Strange, Matt Jones, two

1576
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:16,040
Speaker 1: first year, first, two year first. You have to go

1577
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 1: back to twenty twelve. I was trying to say high

1578
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:20,439
Speaker 1: Tower channel with Jones, but I still would have traded

1579
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:22,320
Speaker 1: this for a top tier Yeah, you have to go

1580
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:24,360
Speaker 1: back to twenty twelve to fine picks. You may not

1581
01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 1: want to give up for a great quarterback Jones and

1582
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 1: High Tower. If Robert Kraft wants to be relevant, this

1583
01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 1: is the move. You do the deal, or make the

1584
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 1: trade with Baltimore. To facilitate the deal. You trade Mac

1585
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 1: and Hope for a second from a quarterback hungry team

1586
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:41,800
Speaker 1: and play ball. I totally get what he's saying. I

1587
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:43,400
Speaker 1: guess my question is just why is this so hard

1588
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:45,720
Speaker 1: for Baltimore? I mean, if if our emailer can write

1589
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:47,840
Speaker 1: in it's such a slam dunklick, why why can't it

1590
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:50,559
Speaker 1: get done? Like? Why you know, what's the hold up? Like?

1591
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 1: Why isn't Baltimore right? Why doesn't Baltimore see this when

1592
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 1: it seems like such a I want to bring up something, UM,

1593
01:19:56,439 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 1: just curious what you guys think? What do you guys

1594
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:01,599
Speaker 1: think of Baltimore. Let's just say Jackson is the quarterback

1595
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 1: and there's no problems, no external on field. Last year,

1596
01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 1: he's healthy, it's week eight, Say what did you guys

1597
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 1: think of Baltimore sat in the hierarchy of the AFC, sporadic,

1598
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:17,639
Speaker 1: beatable when it comes to the biggest game, like you know, supposedly,

1599
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:21,639
Speaker 1: but for other teams, I do. But do you think

1600
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 1: that they were a super Bowl contender? Yes, well they're

1601
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:27,480
Speaker 1: at playoff contenue, but no, they were a playoff lock. Yeah,

1602
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 1: but were they a Super Bowl content? I think whenever

1603
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 1: you have that guy under center, you can win any

1604
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:36,120
Speaker 1: game against anybody on any Sunday, Okay, I would probably

1605
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:38,519
Speaker 1: put them. I would put them just outside, Okay, I

1606
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:41,639
Speaker 1: would I would be more with Evan Is. I think

1607
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:48,040
Speaker 1: that Baltimore was a borderline Super Bowl contender. But talent wise,

1608
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:53,720
Speaker 1: I think they're better than the Patriots. Like, forget the quarterback.

1609
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 1: I just think talent wise, they were better than the Patriots. Now,

1610
01:20:57,479 --> 01:21:01,040
Speaker 1: it's weird because of the way they're offense is structured.

1611
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 1: You could definitely say I'd rather have Parker Myers born,

1612
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:08,599
Speaker 1: you know, than Rashod Bateman and Devin DuVernay or whatever.

1613
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:11,800
Speaker 1: But that's the way their offense was structured, with the

1614
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:14,920
Speaker 1: running element of Lamar Jackson. So it's a hard camp.

1615
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:18,799
Speaker 1: But I think talent wise, Baltimore was better than New England.

1616
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:22,720
Speaker 1: So therefore, I'm saying if I put Lamar Jackson on

1617
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:27,360
Speaker 1: the Patriots, I'm not sure it's a slam dunk that

1618
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:30,360
Speaker 1: this email is saying like they're a super Bowl contender.

1619
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 1: I don't think they're as good as Baltimore. And I

1620
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:35,800
Speaker 1: think there's an argument that you guys just made. Evan

1621
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:39,560
Speaker 1: says yes, Mike says, maybe you say no, that Baltimore

1622
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:43,080
Speaker 1: was a super Bowl contender with Lamar Jackson. Right, So

1623
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:44,880
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a slam dunk to just say, well,

1624
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:47,679
Speaker 1: you get Lamar Jackson, you're a super Bowl contender. You're exciting.

1625
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:51,120
Speaker 1: I'm excited because I love Lamar Jackson. I'm selfish. I

1626
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:53,720
Speaker 1: just want to be entertaked. I remember that that year,

1627
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 1: I think it was Lamar's first year, the Patriots went

1628
01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 1: to Baltimore and we just got a boy. I think

1629
01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:00,479
Speaker 1: we have. We're on a winning street, were feeling good

1630
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:04,400
Speaker 1: about it. Probably the most miserably was there and they

1631
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:07,280
Speaker 1: pasted us and we had no answers. And I'm thinking

1632
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:09,920
Speaker 1: of my while I'm watching the game, like, how's any

1633
01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 1: team gonna stop these guys? But teams did. They figured

1634
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 1: it out, and I think once you figure out how

1635
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:18,120
Speaker 1: you're going to play against that offense, you can beat him.

1636
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:20,120
Speaker 1: It's tough though, because like to go back to my

1637
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:23,360
Speaker 1: sporadic thing, like they look pretty okay, you know in

1638
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:25,120
Speaker 1: the rainstorm here when they played him again, but then

1639
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:26,759
Speaker 1: last year in the second half, they had no answers

1640
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 1: again from Lamar Jackson. So it's like, you know, you

1641
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:31,160
Speaker 1: go through these periods where you're like, Lamar's kind of

1642
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:33,040
Speaker 1: all right, we're keeping him in the pocket. He's not

1643
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 1: really able to go through the progressions, but then all

1644
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 1: of a sudden, he just gets loose and he tears

1645
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 1: you apart, and it's you know, I think that's part

1646
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:41,320
Speaker 1: of like why I'm not over the moon about Lamar

1647
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:43,720
Speaker 1: Jackson just in general, is just no that you don't

1648
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:46,599
Speaker 1: always know every single not so we could have like

1649
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 1: this fifteen mined conversation of no, you're wrong, Baltimore was good,

1650
01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 1: Like No, I just think it's it's eye opening to

1651
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:55,880
Speaker 1: hear three different opinions of whether or not you guys

1652
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:58,439
Speaker 1: think the Ravens are a Super Bowl contender. So it's

1653
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 1: by no mean The answer to that is maybe they're

1654
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:03,640
Speaker 1: by no means. Are they a lock? And even if

1655
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:06,400
Speaker 1: you want to say the Patriots are is good is Baltimore?

1656
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 1: I would argue that not. But you could say that

1657
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:11,640
Speaker 1: there is good talent wise, how does that make you

1658
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:14,760
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl contender? The argument would be, And this

1659
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:18,000
Speaker 1: is unfortunate because on one of my shows yesterday, I

1660
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 1: appeared on Outside of the Boston market really yeah, branching

1661
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:24,920
Speaker 1: out my main station that calls me every once in

1662
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:29,080
Speaker 1: a while, Puerto Rico. Yeah, Banger, I'm bang, I'm big

1663
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:34,760
Speaker 1: at bang, I'm big at bangor banging and banger. I

1664
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:38,519
Speaker 1: didn't even know it. Um, So this gets brought out

1665
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:42,559
Speaker 1: and and you know, when we were talking about it,

1666
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 1: I couldn't help but go back to that rumor before

1667
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 1: the draft and that Josh was really intrigued and it

1668
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:52,840
Speaker 1: worked him out. Blah blah blah. And the guy asked me,

1669
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:54,800
Speaker 1: what do you think it would have looked like if

1670
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:57,799
Speaker 1: they did draft Lamar Jackson? And then just think about

1671
01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:01,960
Speaker 1: how different it would be. Like Brady plays in eighteen

1672
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:06,400
Speaker 1: and maybe he stays for nineteen like he did, and

1673
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:08,880
Speaker 1: you know, Lamar's two years in and he takes over

1674
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:14,200
Speaker 1: in twenty. I think with Bill Belichick and Josh McDaniels.

1675
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson is a much more refined pastor today than

1676
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 1: he is right now. Now. Is that being a suck up? Yeah?

1677
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:24,920
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe, But I think that Lamar Jackson, I mean,

1678
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 1: I think Josh McDaniels is a far better offensive coordinator

1679
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 1: than Greg Roman. And I think that they would I

1680
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:34,599
Speaker 1: think Bill Belichick would have been instrumental and saying these

1681
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 1: are some of the things you need to do to

1682
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:39,280
Speaker 1: avoid the mistakes. I think it what are they would

1683
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:41,479
Speaker 1: have turned him into Tim Tebow. I think some of

1684
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:44,360
Speaker 1: the Tim Tebow didn't have the like that's that's that's

1685
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:46,400
Speaker 1: the difference, Like you know, and the past lot of

1686
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:50,519
Speaker 1: people is so much on Greg Roman, like their passing

1687
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:53,519
Speaker 1: concepts are so rudimentary and simple, and that wasn't It's

1688
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:55,679
Speaker 1: not because of Lamar, because that Louisville. He's doing full

1689
01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:58,360
Speaker 1: field progressions and running a pro style offense. From a

1690
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:02,080
Speaker 1: passing game standpoint, just fine. Heisman trophies. So I just

1691
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:05,800
Speaker 1: I'm all for Lamar. I've been all for Lamar. I

1692
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:08,880
Speaker 1: think that he's actually becoming underrated for a lot of people,

1693
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:12,320
Speaker 1: especially here with this conversation coming up, Like I feel

1694
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:14,679
Speaker 1: like a lot of people are underselling just how good

1695
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:16,599
Speaker 1: he is. And my whole thing with the Super Bowl

1696
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:20,240
Speaker 1: is you have Lamar Jackson and you have Harbaugh, who

1697
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:23,600
Speaker 1: I think is a solid coach. That pairing winning a

1698
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:26,400
Speaker 1: Super Bowl would not blow any of us away. If

1699
01:25:26,439 --> 01:25:28,920
Speaker 1: I told you, like going into next season and Lamar

1700
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:31,559
Speaker 1: and Harbor are going to win the Super Bowl, would

1701
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:35,799
Speaker 1: anybody be like, that's surprised, Like that's no way, Like, yeah,

1702
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:38,679
Speaker 1: that's definitely due. I think Baltimore is a talented team

1703
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:42,080
Speaker 1: that can't figure out how you know, how to stay healthy,

1704
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:45,360
Speaker 1: and it's derailed him the last two years. I mean

1705
01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:48,320
Speaker 1: they've been I think they were eight. I think they

1706
01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:50,599
Speaker 1: were eight and three each of the last two years,

1707
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:54,800
Speaker 1: and they stumbled to the finish both times. But I

1708
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:57,800
Speaker 1: mean they should have won that since an Attie game

1709
01:25:58,479 --> 01:26:01,320
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, you know, and then then they go

1710
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:05,879
Speaker 1: to Baltimore. Maybe they beat Baltimore, I don't know. Alex

1711
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:09,760
Speaker 1: writes in I mean Buffalo, right, Baltimore doesn't go to Baltimore,

1712
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:13,599
Speaker 1: that'll be weird. Talking about the special teams, Alex says

1713
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:16,240
Speaker 1: one comment about the special teams signings, I don't know

1714
01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:19,240
Speaker 1: how after giving up two kickoff returns for touchdowns in

1715
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 1: their last game and struggling down the line. People can

1716
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:26,080
Speaker 1: complain about the team investing in special teams. And one question,

1717
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:27,960
Speaker 1: with all the moves the Patriots have made so far,

1718
01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:30,719
Speaker 1: do you think they go cornerback or tackle or something

1719
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 1: else at fourteen I could see either one of those.

1720
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 1: I think it's just depending on what's tackles fall and

1721
01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:37,920
Speaker 1: who's gonna I mean, I think any you look at

1722
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 1: any mock draft and there's you know, the top three

1723
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:42,360
Speaker 1: tackles are gone or the top three corners are gone,

1724
01:26:42,360 --> 01:26:44,479
Speaker 1: and I mean, I think those are those are the

1725
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:46,559
Speaker 1: guys that are most appealing. I mean, I've gotten off

1726
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:49,280
Speaker 1: the wide receiver thing at fourteens just doesn't seem right there.

1727
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:51,920
Speaker 1: But I'd be down. I'd be down with any of

1728
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:54,519
Speaker 1: those top tackle, top cornerback options. I think it would

1729
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:56,599
Speaker 1: it would be a good long term decision for the team.

1730
01:26:57,240 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 1: A mail, ma'am. I would just make a counter and

1731
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:01,760
Speaker 1: saying in the last game they got up two fifty

1732
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:04,200
Speaker 1: yard touchdown passes too. I can't believe they haven't done

1733
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:07,000
Speaker 1: anything to address the secondary like that Mayo man in

1734
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:09,519
Speaker 1: Maine right since since it seems like Gerard Mayo is

1735
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:11,679
Speaker 1: lining up to be the next head coach, and people

1736
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:14,799
Speaker 1: have mentioned they don't have many players signed through twenty

1737
01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 1: twenty four twenty five. Do you think Mayo has some

1738
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:19,960
Speaker 1: say in the draft this year? It seems likely that

1739
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 1: Bill will be gone in three or so years in

1740
01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:25,080
Speaker 1: this class will hopefully still be here four years out

1741
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:28,760
Speaker 1: if they draft, Well, that's an I don't know. I mean,

1742
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:30,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what his role is going to be.

1743
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:33,599
Speaker 1: In the article recently, was it the Athletic yea, yeah,

1744
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:35,680
Speaker 1: I don't know what's this. What's his role going to be?

1745
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:38,639
Speaker 1: The sail where being the heir apparent? I mean part

1746
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:40,120
Speaker 1: of me is just expecting him to be in the

1747
01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:42,360
Speaker 1: same exact kind of doing the same stuff day to

1748
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:45,840
Speaker 1: day training camp when we see them come out. Huh yeah, yeah,

1749
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:47,720
Speaker 1: I don't know who. Do you know who Chad graph is?

1750
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:49,760
Speaker 1: If he's the beat writer for the Athletic, he's been

1751
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:53,519
Speaker 1: here for like two years? Yeah, not even last year?

1752
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:57,000
Speaker 1: Was this this year was his first year? Yeah, that's

1753
01:27:57,080 --> 01:28:01,320
Speaker 1: kind of a interesting story for such a young new guy.

1754
01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:04,400
Speaker 1: Nubi you think that he's being fed that No, oh,

1755
01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:09,120
Speaker 1: so he's just speculating. Who do you think Mayo would

1756
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:11,800
Speaker 1: have chosen as his offensive coordinator this year if he

1757
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:16,360
Speaker 1: would have gotten a head coaching job, who he knows,

1758
01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 1: who knows who would Mayo have chosen? Who would Mayo

1759
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:23,040
Speaker 1: have chosen? O'Brien. I don't think Mayo has anywhere near

1760
01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:26,400
Speaker 1: as much power as this email. I know, that's what

1761
01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:28,000
Speaker 1: I said. I don't even think mac rowe has as

1762
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:30,120
Speaker 1: much power as this. I don't think. I don't have

1763
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:32,240
Speaker 1: the exact wording, and I know where some of this

1764
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:34,600
Speaker 1: stuff is coming from, like that mccordion to you an

1765
01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:39,760
Speaker 1: ei was fascinating, like about a week ago. Um, but

1766
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:43,120
Speaker 1: some of this is related to He was asked if

1767
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:47,600
Speaker 1: he thought that Mayo was the heir apparent, you know,

1768
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:49,280
Speaker 1: the coach in waiting, I think was the way they

1769
01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:54,519
Speaker 1: phrased it, and he's He answered yes, but if you

1770
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:58,679
Speaker 1: listen to the answer. As he continued, he was answering,

1771
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:03,040
Speaker 1: he thinks Gerard Mayo is a head coach not he

1772
01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:06,680
Speaker 1: didn't like and again people that are people that are

1773
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:09,680
Speaker 1: took from that answer that he said he is the

1774
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 1: head coach and waiting or not wrong by the technical

1775
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:17,040
Speaker 1: Greg Brady exact words, he said that, but I think

1776
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:19,200
Speaker 1: I think he meant his head coach material. That's what

1777
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:21,760
Speaker 1: I think he meant. Yeah, that's exactly what I think

1778
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:24,040
Speaker 1: he meant. And it's kind of a long way of

1779
01:29:24,120 --> 01:29:26,400
Speaker 1: me saying I'm not sure Gerard Mayo is the coach

1780
01:29:26,439 --> 01:29:30,000
Speaker 1: in waiting either. I know everybody else is completely convinced.

1781
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:33,280
Speaker 1: I don't think Mayo meant it that way the way

1782
01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:35,639
Speaker 1: he said it. I think he meant he's a head

1783
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:38,439
Speaker 1: head coaching material, cord if he's not walking out with

1784
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:40,720
Speaker 1: the Cordy meant that when playing catch with Steve and

1785
01:29:40,840 --> 01:29:42,960
Speaker 1: working with the linebackers, like, that's what I expect to see.

1786
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:45,559
Speaker 1: I don't expect to see him wandering to different position

1787
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:48,240
Speaker 1: groups with Bill giving input or you know, watching on

1788
01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:50,360
Speaker 1: the sideline with Matt Girl Like I, I just we

1789
01:29:50,479 --> 01:29:52,320
Speaker 1: have to see what exactly is going to change about

1790
01:29:52,360 --> 01:29:54,200
Speaker 1: his role, But I'm not anticipating it's going to be

1791
01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:57,519
Speaker 1: anything that monumentally different. I'm with Evan and Mike spe

1792
01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:00,920
Speaker 1: speaking of Devin may and four Latter Day al Rights.

1793
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:03,880
Speaker 1: Did you guys see Devon's tweets about Zappy Versusmac the

1794
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:06,160
Speaker 1: locker room divide and that it was more of an

1795
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:09,160
Speaker 1: indictment on the state of the offense more than the quarterback.

1796
01:30:09,240 --> 01:30:11,960
Speaker 1: There was never hope. Yes, what did you think about that?

1797
01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:14,640
Speaker 1: She asks? I mean, like a lot of things that

1798
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:17,720
Speaker 1: have come out after the season, it was unfortunately just

1799
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:20,200
Speaker 1: confirmation of what you thought, like what you you know,

1800
01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:26,439
Speaker 1: what you were seeing and sometimes but it's yeah, you know,

1801
01:30:26,680 --> 01:30:29,200
Speaker 1: we were never we were never solidified as an offensive

1802
01:30:29,240 --> 01:30:32,599
Speaker 1: group that guys had full confidence in anything new, uh

1803
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:35,720
Speaker 1: and anything new we were what we were doing. There

1804
01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:39,519
Speaker 1: was never true hope. Right, this is this is what

1805
01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:43,400
Speaker 1: the the feeling was. Offensively, there was no hope because

1806
01:30:43,439 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 1: they had no faith in what they were being told

1807
01:30:45,160 --> 01:30:48,000
Speaker 1: to do. Um. But the part that the email had

1808
01:30:48,040 --> 01:30:50,639
Speaker 1: brought up that was really interesting was when something would

1809
01:30:50,680 --> 01:30:54,920
Speaker 1: go wrong, people would immediately say, you know, we should

1810
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:59,800
Speaker 1: be playing zappy and that I didn't know that I

1811
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:02,000
Speaker 1: I didn't know was was going on like that. There

1812
01:31:02,120 --> 01:31:04,799
Speaker 1: was some players saying that yeah, yeah, yeah, So Evan's

1813
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:07,000
Speaker 1: gonna go over and get set up for the Devin

1814
01:31:07,080 --> 01:31:10,760
Speaker 1: mccordy festivities. Um, and what does he mean to say

1815
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:13,840
Speaker 1: in a chair, It's gonna get up there, get a

1816
01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:17,519
Speaker 1: good position, get a good spot. Okay, make sure he's

1817
01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:21,600
Speaker 1: in line with the camera. Yeah, let's get back to

1818
01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:26,000
Speaker 1: the phones. We'll go to Sean, Sean and Vancouver. What's

1819
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:30,960
Speaker 1: up Sean? Hi? Everyone? Um, Fred, you can drop my email.

1820
01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:33,720
Speaker 1: So you know, I was surprised last month when I

1821
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:36,160
Speaker 1: read the PFF frankings and said that Myers was the

1822
01:31:36,280 --> 01:31:40,599
Speaker 1: number one wide receiver free agent option. I thought Judo

1823
01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:44,360
Speaker 1: was better because of Yack, higher ceiling, possibly lower floor though,

1824
01:31:44,840 --> 01:31:50,120
Speaker 1: But um, I don't. I don't know how, um, Mike

1825
01:31:51,320 --> 01:31:54,800
Speaker 1: or what? What do you thought Paul back in that time?

1826
01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:57,120
Speaker 1: But I know Evan's our rote on March nine that

1827
01:31:57,200 --> 01:32:01,360
Speaker 1: Jacobe Myers is a top option pre agency out Mike, uh,

1828
01:32:01,479 --> 01:32:03,000
Speaker 1: And I don't know even you're still there? Did you

1829
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:06,559
Speaker 1: say that Juju is improvement? Now? Why the change? I mean,

1830
01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:08,519
Speaker 1: I didn't know really much about Juju, like I mean,

1831
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:11,080
Speaker 1: going after they signed him, I went and watched, you know,

1832
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:13,120
Speaker 1: watched him play. I mean, I look, I don't think

1833
01:32:13,160 --> 01:32:15,479
Speaker 1: that this is a monumental upgrade. I just think that

1834
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:18,400
Speaker 1: he is. And yeah, but I think that, you know,

1835
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:20,639
Speaker 1: and Paul and I had a discussion about this yesterday,

1836
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:22,280
Speaker 1: so it made me. Paul asked some questions that I

1837
01:32:22,439 --> 01:32:24,320
Speaker 1: that I dipped into, which were you know why their

1838
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:26,960
Speaker 1: yards per catched similar m you know, and it's it's

1839
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:30,559
Speaker 1: really just js jss is is getting the ball closer

1840
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:33,280
Speaker 1: to the line of scrimmage more consistently. But um, I

1841
01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:35,120
Speaker 1: just think he's you know, and I don't mean to

1842
01:32:35,200 --> 01:32:37,120
Speaker 1: sound this is every time you talk about Jacoby like

1843
01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:39,000
Speaker 1: you're trying to you're killing him. But you know, he's

1844
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:41,280
Speaker 1: a former quarterback, and I think you saw a reliable

1845
01:32:41,320 --> 01:32:43,400
Speaker 1: guy who knew where to be. I just think when

1846
01:32:43,439 --> 01:32:45,519
Speaker 1: I watched Juju Smith Schuster, I'm like, that guy is

1847
01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:48,519
Speaker 1: a pure wide receiver who looks like, you know, he's

1848
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:50,439
Speaker 1: gonna be a challenge when he gets the ball, and

1849
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:52,839
Speaker 1: I just didn't see enough of that out of Jacoby

1850
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:54,960
Speaker 1: over the course. I mean, certainly reliable, and I think,

1851
01:32:55,200 --> 01:32:56,920
Speaker 1: you know, the hands drops have been a little bit

1852
01:32:56,960 --> 01:32:59,439
Speaker 1: of industry for Juju um, you know, But I just

1853
01:32:59,479 --> 01:33:01,559
Speaker 1: think he maybe gives you a little bit more potential

1854
01:33:01,640 --> 01:33:03,240
Speaker 1: as far as you know, with the ball in his

1855
01:33:03,320 --> 01:33:06,280
Speaker 1: hands making some plays. But I do think that it's

1856
01:33:06,320 --> 01:33:09,200
Speaker 1: interesting to me though, that they aren't really interested in

1857
01:33:09,439 --> 01:33:12,080
Speaker 1: any real sideline to sideline quickness, and it seemed like

1858
01:33:12,160 --> 01:33:14,240
Speaker 1: they lived in that with the offense for a while,

1859
01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:16,760
Speaker 1: and I think Juju's a vertical guy. I think Kisiki's

1860
01:33:16,760 --> 01:33:18,679
Speaker 1: a vertical guy. I think last year they were trying

1861
01:33:18,680 --> 01:33:20,880
Speaker 1: to push the ball down vertical. So I just think

1862
01:33:20,920 --> 01:33:23,640
Speaker 1: this is a Belichick thing, not a Matt Patricia thing.

1863
01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:26,280
Speaker 1: That it just seems to me like this is a philosophy.

1864
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:28,040
Speaker 1: We want to get the ball down the field, and

1865
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:31,599
Speaker 1: maybe they're not even really interested in horizontal quick guys

1866
01:33:31,680 --> 01:33:32,920
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. They want to go down the

1867
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:35,920
Speaker 1: field with it. Now. I like Juju and I've always

1868
01:33:35,960 --> 01:33:38,960
Speaker 1: liked him as a player. I think he's pretty tough.

1869
01:33:40,280 --> 01:33:45,799
Speaker 1: I think they're extraordinarily similar players Mike Myers and Smith Schuster.

1870
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:50,599
Speaker 1: Mike is alluding to a discussion we had yesterday about

1871
01:33:50,680 --> 01:33:53,400
Speaker 1: YAK and how I don't really care about YAK because

1872
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:56,280
Speaker 1: it results in the same amount of yards. And I

1873
01:33:56,800 --> 01:33:59,120
Speaker 1: think that you can say it looks better when you

1874
01:33:59,240 --> 01:34:01,240
Speaker 1: watch a guy catch a short pass and make a

1875
01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:03,400
Speaker 1: twelve yard gain as opposed to a guy catch a

1876
01:34:03,479 --> 01:34:05,720
Speaker 1: ten yard pass for a twelve yard gain. But I

1877
01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:08,040
Speaker 1: don't really care because to me, I just want the

1878
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:11,840
Speaker 1: twelve yard gain. I think that they they generally and

1879
01:34:12,280 --> 01:34:14,479
Speaker 1: I think Juju I don't, you know, I know that

1880
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:17,360
Speaker 1: some of the drop stats, I haven't really noticed that

1881
01:34:17,479 --> 01:34:19,880
Speaker 1: being a real problem with him. I like Juju. Like

1882
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:22,400
Speaker 1: I said to the start, I don't think that they're

1883
01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:26,040
Speaker 1: gonna The only way that this blows up on them

1884
01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:29,599
Speaker 1: is if he doesn't pick up the system and establish

1885
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:32,880
Speaker 1: a relationship with Macy, which I think is a real

1886
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:36,160
Speaker 1: concern because I think that's been a problem for incoming

1887
01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:39,200
Speaker 1: Patriots receivers periodically over the years. There is some that

1888
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:42,320
Speaker 1: are seamless, like you know, Brandon LaFell, you know, came

1889
01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:45,280
Speaker 1: write in and did it, you know, really well, and

1890
01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:47,880
Speaker 1: there have been others that just never seemed to catch on.

1891
01:34:48,120 --> 01:34:52,280
Speaker 1: So I worry about it. I do, But I just

1892
01:34:52,640 --> 01:34:56,240
Speaker 1: I don't see the enormous upside that a lot of

1893
01:34:56,360 --> 01:34:59,120
Speaker 1: my other colleagues are writing about ben voland was the

1894
01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:03,560
Speaker 1: latest one today in his piece a massive upgrade. I

1895
01:35:03,720 --> 01:35:05,439
Speaker 1: just don't see it that way. I think they're very

1896
01:35:05,479 --> 01:35:08,840
Speaker 1: similar players, and maybe Juju will have a better year

1897
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:11,519
Speaker 1: than than Jacoby Myers. I don't think Jujus had a

1898
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:15,400
Speaker 1: better year than Jacoby Myerson's twenty eighteen. That's when he

1899
01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:17,920
Speaker 1: was when he caught one hundred and eleven passes for

1900
01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:23,120
Speaker 1: fourteen hundred yards opposite Antonio Brown. Jacoby Myers can't do that.

1901
01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:25,880
Speaker 1: He's not that kind of player. So if you want

1902
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:29,439
Speaker 1: to say that's upside, I don't think that's Juju Smith's

1903
01:35:29,479 --> 01:35:32,559
Speaker 1: Shuster's upside anymore. But that was five years. He hasn't

1904
01:35:32,600 --> 01:35:34,640
Speaker 1: been that guy since the knee injury that took him

1905
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:37,200
Speaker 1: out the next year for half of that season. He

1906
01:35:37,240 --> 01:35:41,759
Speaker 1: averaged eight point six a catch the next two years,

1907
01:35:42,439 --> 01:35:45,760
Speaker 1: and then he went and found Mahomes and he went

1908
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:49,200
Speaker 1: back up to twelve. He was a thirteen plush yard

1909
01:35:49,320 --> 01:35:52,720
Speaker 1: per catch until the injuries, and then he went down

1910
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:57,200
Speaker 1: under ten, under nine even for two straight years. I

1911
01:35:57,280 --> 01:36:00,000
Speaker 1: don't think that his upside is the fourteen hundred yard

1912
01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:03,720
Speaker 1: catch guy. I think his upside is the eight number

1913
01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:05,800
Speaker 1: one option eighty. I think you could catch eighty balls

1914
01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:08,559
Speaker 1: for the Patriots this year. I'll take that. Yeah, that's

1915
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:12,200
Speaker 1: what Myers does. And eight touchdowns. Yeah, I don't care

1916
01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:14,719
Speaker 1: who's supposed to touch them. I really don't. They're gonna

1917
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:17,120
Speaker 1: get an next amount of number of touchdowns. I don't

1918
01:36:17,120 --> 01:36:19,680
Speaker 1: care if Kiseki gets them, if Henry gets them, if

1919
01:36:19,720 --> 01:36:22,320
Speaker 1: they run him in with Ramondre Stevenson. They're gonna get

1920
01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:25,679
Speaker 1: They're gonna get the touchdowns. I don't know. Is Myers

1921
01:36:25,680 --> 01:36:28,240
Speaker 1: a good touchdown guy? No, I'm just saying, no, he's

1922
01:36:28,280 --> 01:36:30,800
Speaker 1: not right touchdowns. No, he's not right. Well, yeah, twice

1923
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:32,559
Speaker 1: as many as Ju drew last year six to three.

1924
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:34,720
Speaker 1: They I don't but I don't use that as my

1925
01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:39,280
Speaker 1: feeling because whatever they're gonna score touchdowns, someone's got to

1926
01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:41,640
Speaker 1: score them. Thanks Sean, appreciate the call. Let's go to

1927
01:36:41,720 --> 01:36:45,680
Speaker 1: Chris and Scottsdale. What's up Chris, Hey, guys, thanks for

1928
01:36:45,800 --> 01:36:48,560
Speaker 1: taking the call today. Obviously, Um, just a couple of

1929
01:36:48,640 --> 01:36:52,120
Speaker 1: thoughts that I wanted to share. Um, And I'm coming

1930
01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:54,960
Speaker 1: in late today working and just kind of on breaking

1931
01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:56,280
Speaker 1: coming in a little bit late. But I don't know

1932
01:36:56,320 --> 01:36:57,599
Speaker 1: if some of the things that I have to say

1933
01:36:57,680 --> 01:37:01,040
Speaker 1: or have been covered or not. But uh, it looks

1934
01:37:01,080 --> 01:37:03,760
Speaker 1: like Bills back to his old tricks with you know,

1935
01:37:03,920 --> 01:37:08,280
Speaker 1: stalking the special teams, with you know massive you know

1936
01:37:08,360 --> 01:37:10,960
Speaker 1: we'll not massive, but you know rich contracts for those

1937
01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:13,360
Speaker 1: kinds of players. Oh, small money, you don't worry about it.

1938
01:37:14,240 --> 01:37:16,479
Speaker 1: Running backs, you know this that you know, there's just

1939
01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:18,719
Speaker 1: it's just kind of like the thing and and Paul,

1940
01:37:18,760 --> 01:37:21,160
Speaker 1: you say that, but it is interesting. That's the stuff

1941
01:37:21,160 --> 01:37:24,160
Speaker 1: that we talked about earlier. Chris, I'm just joking. Oh okay,

1942
01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:26,640
Speaker 1: because here's here's what I was gonna say. And I

1943
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:29,960
Speaker 1: who is the the guy that just came back? What's

1944
01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:33,000
Speaker 1: his name is? Did? Eludes me? Right now? The special team?

1945
01:37:33,400 --> 01:37:36,960
Speaker 1: What's that? Cody Davis? No, No, that our our guys

1946
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:41,280
Speaker 1: been here, yeah, Mats later. So so Slater right, a

1947
01:37:41,400 --> 01:37:43,960
Speaker 1: great player for us, you know, in his position and everything.

1948
01:37:44,040 --> 01:37:47,920
Speaker 1: When he was rumored to be retiring, I was actually

1949
01:37:48,080 --> 01:37:53,320
Speaker 1: happy about it because I thought, naively, and I'm really

1950
01:37:53,360 --> 01:37:56,760
Speaker 1: frustrated about this, I thought naively that, okay, well, hey

1951
01:37:56,880 --> 01:37:59,679
Speaker 1: that that makes it so he doesn't have special teams, Binky,

1952
01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:02,240
Speaker 1: We're not going to have three million dollars, four million

1953
01:38:02,280 --> 01:38:04,920
Speaker 1: dollars whatever it is that he makes every year, uh,

1954
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:08,360
Speaker 1: you know, assigned and allotted to that position. Maybe he

1955
01:38:08,479 --> 01:38:11,799
Speaker 1: shaves a little bit off another position, takes those combines

1956
01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:14,560
Speaker 1: them and actually goes out and you know, stalks the

1957
01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:18,000
Speaker 1: team with a real you know, serviceable, you know, make

1958
01:38:18,040 --> 01:38:21,240
Speaker 1: a difference weapon. But I gotta tell you, guys, just

1959
01:38:21,439 --> 01:38:24,679
Speaker 1: and again this is from a fan perspective that it's

1960
01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:29,320
Speaker 1: it's just growing super super super tired man, Like, I'm

1961
01:38:29,439 --> 01:38:34,320
Speaker 1: so over this, and it's so deeply clear at this point,

1962
01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:37,439
Speaker 1: at least to me. And I'm not saying Bills an

1963
01:38:37,479 --> 01:38:39,280
Speaker 1: idiot and he doesn't know how to coach. I'm never

1964
01:38:39,320 --> 01:38:41,519
Speaker 1: going to be that guy. But I will say this.

1965
01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:44,760
Speaker 1: I will say this, It's become deeply clear to me,

1966
01:38:45,720 --> 01:38:48,200
Speaker 1: or obviously clear to me, that Brady is really, really,

1967
01:38:48,760 --> 01:38:50,840
Speaker 1: you know, the straw that stirs the drink here in

1968
01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:53,160
Speaker 1: New England and made everything work all these years in

1969
01:38:53,400 --> 01:38:57,120
Speaker 1: spite of all of the insane moves and you know,

1970
01:38:57,240 --> 01:39:00,519
Speaker 1: horrible free agencies and drafts and over vern over and

1971
01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:03,080
Speaker 1: over and over. And in terms of Lamar, and I'll

1972
01:39:03,120 --> 01:39:04,800
Speaker 1: say I got two more things for it, then I'll

1973
01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:08,320
Speaker 1: be super quick about it. In terms of Lamar, I'm

1974
01:39:08,360 --> 01:39:10,960
Speaker 1: not really trying to go down that road if if

1975
01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:13,439
Speaker 1: we and and by the way, I don't want the

1976
01:39:13,720 --> 01:39:15,680
Speaker 1: current quarterback that we have now. I don't even want

1977
01:39:15,680 --> 01:39:17,280
Speaker 1: to cheer for the guy. I'm not even kidding. I

1978
01:39:17,439 --> 01:39:21,160
Speaker 1: watched two games last year because it was I knew

1979
01:39:21,200 --> 01:39:23,240
Speaker 1: what I was watching and it was just disgusting and

1980
01:39:23,320 --> 01:39:25,920
Speaker 1: I didn't want to watch it, right, But I don't

1981
01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:28,320
Speaker 1: even want to cheer for the guy. And so if

1982
01:39:28,360 --> 01:39:30,560
Speaker 1: they're gonna go down the Lamar road or something like that,

1983
01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:33,200
Speaker 1: I'd rather than you know, because I don't care about

1984
01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:36,160
Speaker 1: the draft capital. I'm so frustrated with the way the

1985
01:39:36,200 --> 01:39:39,960
Speaker 1: guys drafts. It's unbelievably just horrible to me. So I

1986
01:39:40,120 --> 01:39:42,559
Speaker 1: really don't care what it takes in terms of draft capital,

1987
01:39:42,840 --> 01:39:45,360
Speaker 1: either to move up and get Richardson if you want,

1988
01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:47,960
Speaker 1: like kind of a Lamar clone and have him honest

1989
01:39:48,040 --> 01:39:52,080
Speaker 1: rookie deal right and do that. But even if you

1990
01:39:52,200 --> 01:39:54,559
Speaker 1: did go with Lamar, I don't really care about spending

1991
01:39:54,600 --> 01:39:57,960
Speaker 1: two first round picks. Look at our first round picks, man,

1992
01:39:58,040 --> 01:40:02,960
Speaker 1: it's absolutely it's asinine. I mean it's it's so embarrassing

1993
01:40:03,360 --> 01:40:06,160
Speaker 1: when you have coaches laughing at like when we when

1994
01:40:06,240 --> 01:40:09,320
Speaker 1: we when we took Cold Strange, the Rams coach McVeigh

1995
01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:12,679
Speaker 1: is literally laughing about it. Oh, hey, we were gonna

1996
01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:14,360
Speaker 1: take a look at this guy in the third or

1997
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:16,760
Speaker 1: fourth round or something like that or whatever, you know,

1998
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:20,439
Speaker 1: And then when you mess up drafting the offensive lind

1999
01:40:20,600 --> 01:40:23,680
Speaker 1: so so horribly that of course, and I predicted this

2000
01:40:23,800 --> 01:40:25,320
Speaker 1: last year, and it is on one of the shows

2001
01:40:25,360 --> 01:40:27,680
Speaker 1: where I said, great next year in the draft week

2002
01:40:27,720 --> 01:40:30,120
Speaker 1: gets to draft another fat guy and the rest of

2003
01:40:30,160 --> 01:40:33,800
Speaker 1: the league can have Clinton Johnson or uh, you know

2004
01:40:34,040 --> 01:40:38,080
Speaker 1: Evan's guy, Uh, Nick Buck, you know. For I'm probably

2005
01:40:40,040 --> 01:40:42,880
Speaker 1: I get it. Chris, thanks for he let it all out.

2006
01:40:42,920 --> 01:40:45,720
Speaker 1: He's thanks seven. Yeah, but you know, I think I

2007
01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:48,360
Speaker 1: think two games he watched pretty bad. I can understand

2008
01:40:48,400 --> 01:40:50,840
Speaker 1: his frustration, but I think he's a little bit Yeah,

2009
01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:58,880
Speaker 1: I drafts and the terrible free agent. I'm just going

2010
01:40:58,920 --> 01:41:00,760
Speaker 1: to let you know. I know you don't pick that

2011
01:41:00,920 --> 01:41:03,320
Speaker 1: scab with me because I get in trouble every time

2012
01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:06,280
Speaker 1: I do. And I like all the terrible things they did.

2013
01:41:06,479 --> 01:41:11,000
Speaker 1: And who's that? Oh yeah, mathis Slater? Right? Yeah you know, yeah, yeah,

2014
01:41:11,600 --> 01:41:13,679
Speaker 1: it's not that. And Slater doesn't make for a million

2015
01:41:13,720 --> 01:41:16,040
Speaker 1: a year either, No, he makes it doesn't even make

2016
01:41:16,120 --> 01:41:22,800
Speaker 1: three yet five and three. Uh. He says, that's been

2017
01:41:22,840 --> 01:41:25,439
Speaker 1: a while since I wrote in Uh, but he's been

2018
01:41:25,479 --> 01:41:27,280
Speaker 1: traveling a lot, he said. I wanted to share that

2019
01:41:27,400 --> 01:41:30,040
Speaker 1: I am in San Francisco this morning and I saw

2020
01:41:30,120 --> 01:41:34,760
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins at Logan also, So can I just tell

2021
01:41:34,760 --> 01:41:37,639
Speaker 1: you real quick, you know, the famous shot of yeah,

2022
01:41:37,680 --> 01:41:39,720
Speaker 1: you know Larry Fitz at the Hurts Country? Is that

2023
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:42,960
Speaker 1: really Larrifzer? No, no, no, no, But it's a funny.

2024
01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:46,360
Speaker 1: Means it's always funny, right. So t J comes on,

2025
01:41:46,520 --> 01:41:49,840
Speaker 1: he goes I heard d Hop was at Logan, I

2026
01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:54,040
Speaker 1: go anyone No. Also, I think after listening to Evan

2027
01:41:54,120 --> 01:41:56,560
Speaker 1: on Cash twenty two, I've come around to being satisfied

2028
01:41:56,640 --> 01:41:59,639
Speaker 1: with the Jujus signing, as he's pointed out his skill

2029
01:41:59,680 --> 01:42:02,599
Speaker 1: set an upgrade over Jacobe, although I felt like having

2030
01:42:02,720 --> 01:42:05,599
Speaker 1: a known commodity that knows the system like him would

2031
01:42:05,640 --> 01:42:09,000
Speaker 1: outweigh bringing in Juju. Overall, I feel like it's been

2032
01:42:09,040 --> 01:42:11,439
Speaker 1: a solid off season so far. But the key piece

2033
01:42:11,880 --> 01:42:14,040
Speaker 1: is if we can get a true wide receiver one

2034
01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:15,680
Speaker 1: that's I mean, and that's the thing. It's like, I

2035
01:42:15,720 --> 01:42:17,639
Speaker 1: think we're all we can. We can spend an hour,

2036
01:42:18,160 --> 01:42:20,840
Speaker 1: you know, breaking down the minutia of how much better

2037
01:42:21,080 --> 01:42:25,320
Speaker 1: we think JSS is than or not. Like ultimately they

2038
01:42:25,360 --> 01:42:27,240
Speaker 1: need more and back. They're not going to move the

2039
01:42:27,320 --> 01:42:30,439
Speaker 1: needle enough to get them pass b off. The same

2040
01:42:30,479 --> 01:42:32,920
Speaker 1: thing the last two years. It's been the last three,

2041
01:42:32,960 --> 01:42:35,439
Speaker 1: but I'll say the last two years. Jacoby Myers has

2042
01:42:35,479 --> 01:42:37,760
Speaker 1: been your top receiver, and I would sit here and

2043
01:42:38,040 --> 01:42:40,559
Speaker 1: tell you, after my disclaimers of how much I love

2044
01:42:40,680 --> 01:42:43,120
Speaker 1: the kid, that any team that has him is the

2045
01:42:43,160 --> 01:42:45,439
Speaker 1: best receiver is not good enough. Right I say the

2046
01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:47,439
Speaker 1: same thing today right now. Juju was the number one

2047
01:42:47,479 --> 01:42:50,920
Speaker 1: receiver and ain't good enough? Ye, Patrick and Ottawa. I

2048
01:42:50,960 --> 01:42:54,320
Speaker 1: don't understand how Evident Company can tell everyone to relax

2049
01:42:54,439 --> 01:42:56,280
Speaker 1: and wait and see by draft day. Have we not

2050
01:42:56,479 --> 01:42:59,080
Speaker 1: learned anything from the last five or six years? Have

2051
01:42:59,240 --> 01:43:02,240
Speaker 1: we not suffered a coaching drain during that time? Yes?

2052
01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:05,960
Speaker 1: Have we not all been disappointed overall with our drafts? Yes?

2053
01:43:06,439 --> 01:43:10,680
Speaker 1: Have we been waiting for better offensive talents since Gront's departure. Yes,

2054
01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:13,320
Speaker 1: have we not been close to the league lead and

2055
01:43:13,400 --> 01:43:17,040
Speaker 1: penalties in that time? Yes, people are down because the

2056
01:43:17,120 --> 01:43:19,800
Speaker 1: overall trend lines of the team for the past few

2057
01:43:19,880 --> 01:43:22,839
Speaker 1: years are all going the wrong way. We are suffering

2058
01:43:22,920 --> 01:43:25,679
Speaker 1: from a lack of faith that anything will change. While

2059
01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:29,160
Speaker 1: BB is here and he says it's okay to want

2060
01:43:29,240 --> 01:43:32,120
Speaker 1: someone new, the young replaced the old all the time.

2061
01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:36,360
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I mean I get what he's saying. And yes,

2062
01:43:36,520 --> 01:43:39,360
Speaker 1: like frustrations are mounting, But at the same time, like,

2063
01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:41,280
Speaker 1: and I'll say it, I said it last show. I mean,

2064
01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:44,920
Speaker 1: I didn't expect them to surpass Buffalo in the first

2065
01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:47,839
Speaker 1: week of free agency. Like, it's a process and they're

2066
01:43:47,880 --> 01:43:50,800
Speaker 1: way behind. So it's the draft. It's the draft picks

2067
01:43:50,840 --> 01:43:52,640
Speaker 1: that they've had, It's the draft picks that they're going

2068
01:43:52,680 --> 01:43:54,920
Speaker 1: to have. And when they start hitting on those draft picks,

2069
01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:57,080
Speaker 1: then you'll start to have something. But you know, to

2070
01:43:57,200 --> 01:43:59,040
Speaker 1: think that you could just pull twenty twenty one again

2071
01:43:59,080 --> 01:44:00,840
Speaker 1: and oh, it'll work out this time, we'll sign the

2072
01:44:00,920 --> 01:44:03,040
Speaker 1: right free agents. This time, we won't be cutting the

2073
01:44:03,080 --> 01:44:04,960
Speaker 1: two guys that we gave four year deals to two

2074
01:44:05,040 --> 01:44:07,519
Speaker 1: years from now. You know, like, it's it's tough, but

2075
01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:11,519
Speaker 1: I continue to be already coming the raft. You read

2076
01:44:11,560 --> 01:44:14,000
Speaker 1: it Sunday, right, I know you read Mike Mike Reese.

2077
01:44:14,360 --> 01:44:17,720
Speaker 1: It's one hundred some odd million in cap space for

2078
01:44:18,040 --> 01:44:21,080
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty four. Here we got like, and I'm

2079
01:44:21,120 --> 01:44:25,280
Speaker 1: just gonna say, don't go down that road. And I'm

2080
01:44:25,280 --> 01:44:27,519
Speaker 1: not talking about cap space. It's not a cap space. No,

2081
01:44:27,720 --> 01:44:30,080
Speaker 1: it's not that they're going to spend crazy next right,

2082
01:44:30,280 --> 01:44:33,120
Speaker 1: right draft draft draft, and that the only way out

2083
01:44:33,160 --> 01:44:35,560
Speaker 1: of this is to consistently get good young players and

2084
01:44:35,720 --> 01:44:38,120
Speaker 1: identify which ones you want to build around, and then

2085
01:44:38,200 --> 01:44:40,600
Speaker 1: make the right choices and keep them and get them

2086
01:44:40,720 --> 01:44:43,920
Speaker 1: locked up. So they have so much cap space projected

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Speaker 1: for next year. Because why, Mike, what did you say

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Speaker 1: in the last show that I was on last week Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: something about um ten guys? I mean, yeah, yeah, for

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, they had ten guys under contract. That's

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Speaker 1: why they projectives have so much cap space next year.

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Speaker 1: They don't have to the free agent class of twenty

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Speaker 1: one that costs a lot of money, for the most part,

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Speaker 1: is going to be off the roster by twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: But you can also you can the other way to

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Speaker 1: look at that is, you know, assuming that Mike is accurate,

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Speaker 1: you have all that cap space next year, you can

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Speaker 1: use that to sign guys this year, Yes, Kyle Dugger

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Speaker 1: Michael contracts and use up some of that cap space

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Speaker 1: now by you know, structuring the contract to hit next year. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think that's important. You have to. This

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Speaker 1: is why I say the importance of identifying the correct

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Speaker 1: guys to spend money on and locking them up. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But but I mean, but here's the reality. I mean

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Speaker 1: you named off those three guys. They're all good players,

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Speaker 1: are any of them pound the table? We can't go

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Speaker 1: forward as an organization without these guys on the team

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Speaker 1: right now, like more or less surprised they resign them

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Speaker 1: or they walk that they resign them. You'd be more

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Speaker 1: surprised that they resigned them if they resigned. I mean,

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Speaker 1: on when you use a right confuse myself my own question,

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Speaker 1: and I agree with Mike, but I mean, like, realistically,

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Speaker 1: on mine us a right guard. And I think we're

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Speaker 1: all like, all right, let's let's let's maybe pump the

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Speaker 1: brakes on over investing in the guard position. We just

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Speaker 1: did that, so you know, and then you're left with Dugger,

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Speaker 1: who apparently they got strong safeties lining up for days.

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Speaker 1: And I think he's a great player, and I think

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Speaker 1: he could still be kind of special. But at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, how much of a drop off

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Speaker 1: is the defense if we're gonna just turn that over

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Speaker 1: to Jibill Peppers. So we're gonna turn over to Josh Bledsoe.

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Speaker 1: You know, today's NFL, though, that dugger role a guy

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Speaker 1: that can come up to the close to the line,

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Speaker 1: that's becoming an increasingly important role in the NFL. There's

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Speaker 1: an argument to be made about Dugger, and I don't

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Speaker 1: want to dismiss him and make it sound like whatever,

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Speaker 1: like I would love to keep him, and I'd even

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Speaker 1: like to keep Uch even though he is, you know,

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Speaker 1: a little bit limited just to passing downs now. But

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Speaker 1: I think it's a passing league, and if you have

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Speaker 1: a guy that's a problem on third down and can

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Speaker 1: get after the quarterback consistently, hopefully he shows that again

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Speaker 1: this year and builds off of what he did last year,

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Speaker 1: then you know, I just think as a fan as

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Speaker 1: much as as a football analyst, you're like, I don't

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Speaker 1: think they any of these guys are vital, But as

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Speaker 1: a fan, I think it allays some of the problems

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Speaker 1: that we've heard from callers of that, you know, who

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Speaker 1: is this team? Now you're saying, all right, Kyle Dugger's

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Speaker 1: a guy we're gonna invest in. He's going to be

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Speaker 1: here for another five years. You know, you start to

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Speaker 1: see some kind of structure going forward. And it's something

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Speaker 1: I mean Alex talked about last week, is like who

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01:47:12,240 --> 01:47:14,280
Speaker 1: is this team? What's their identity? What? You know we're

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Speaker 1: all kind of waiting to see on Mac. We're waiting

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Speaker 1: to see on how these new free agents work out.

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Speaker 1: We're waiting to see if the defense can you turn

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Speaker 1: the page against teams like Buffalo. So it's just it's

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Speaker 1: about the draft. They've got to nail a few draft picks.

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Speaker 1: Yan the only way out, yep Ryan in Salt Lake City.

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Speaker 1: Everybody is so high on d Hop But how will

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Speaker 1: he move the needle? He's older, born in Agala, are

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Speaker 1: just as fast as d Hop. Therefore he doesn't present

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Speaker 1: a much better downfield option. He may draw more in

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Speaker 1: both faster than it Hopkins. He may draw more coverage

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Speaker 1: which may open other receivers. But I just don't see

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Speaker 1: how d Hop is worth a big contract and potentially

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Speaker 1: future draft picks. The answer is a better quarterback, Lamar.

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Speaker 1: Spend the money now for a player who can make

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Speaker 1: a difference now, or just wait until next year to

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01:47:58,400 --> 01:48:01,720
Speaker 1: spend forty to fifty million on another middling quarterback. Pay

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Speaker 1: now and be relevant for the next three to four years.

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Speaker 1: I mean, is it just money for Baltimore? Is that?

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Speaker 1: Is that the problem? Like they just don't want to

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Speaker 1: pay that much money or do they like you know,

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01:48:10,760 --> 01:48:12,840
Speaker 1: because I don't know what's going on. I wish I

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Speaker 1: could give you something like some it seems like a

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Speaker 1: slam dunk. Everybody's just like he's amazing. I always have

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Speaker 1: a plant on things like you know, this reeks of that.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea what's going on there? Get it? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I thought when they made the decision to move on

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01:48:26,439 --> 01:48:29,600
Speaker 1: from Greg Roman, that that was sort of, you know it,

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Speaker 1: admission on the organization's pot that we haven't given you

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Speaker 1: the best support that we could have. We're going to

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Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, you know, I don't know. I don't

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Speaker 1: have no idea what's going on there. All right, We're

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Speaker 1: gonna wrap up early today because Devin mccordy's retirement ceremony

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Speaker 1: is gonna happen at the Hall at two o'clock. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna have that live for you on Patriots dot com,

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Speaker 1: Live streaming on Patriots dot com. So thanks for listening today.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back on Thursday with another edition of Patriots Unfiltered.

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