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Speaker 1: Happy Monday. Welcome to another episode of the Chuck Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I will admit I am still flummoxed slash fuming over

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Speaker 1: the nats first round draft pick. You know, when you're

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Speaker 1: a Washington Nationals fan, all you have to look forward

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Speaker 1: to is the future, because the presence sucks a you know,

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Speaker 1: as I joked on Twitter, I don't know who the

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Speaker 1: Gnats can fire now as they keep losing. It was

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Speaker 1: a very disappointing three game sweep to a very good

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Speaker 1: Milwaukee Brewers team. Don't get me wrong, but the thing

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Speaker 1: I was looking forward to, and many of us are

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Speaker 1: looking forward to, was the draft. And I think directionally,

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Speaker 1: we were going to find out just where were the

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Speaker 1: Gnats headed. Where they going to draft one of these

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Speaker 1: sort of major league ready college pictures so that they

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Speaker 1: could maybe sign a free agent, get this college picture

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Speaker 1: ready and maybe start becoming a sneaky contender in twenty

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Speaker 1: six with this great young lineup that is starting to

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Speaker 1: come into shape, James Wood, Brady House, cj Abrams, suddenly

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Speaker 1: have Gore and Irvi it you could start to see

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Speaker 1: the pieces put together. And then what do the Nts do?

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Speaker 1: They do something so Gnats like they and Look, I

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Speaker 1: know that baseball drafts complicated, and there's this slot money

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Speaker 1: and you have to however money you spend on your

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Speaker 1: first run pick, that impacts how much money you can

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Speaker 1: spend on the rest of your draft. Okay, I understand

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Speaker 1: the analytics of it, but guess what does anybody in

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Speaker 1: the Nats organization deserve the benefit of the doubt on

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Speaker 1: any of this given how horribly this franchise has been

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Speaker 1: run over the last five years. Okay, one good trade

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Speaker 1: has kept this franchise from becoming the Colorado Rockies or

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Speaker 1: the Chicago White Sox, and that was the trade for soda.

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Speaker 1: Everything else has been a disaster. None of these draft

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Speaker 1: picks have made it through yet. The development of pitching

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Speaker 1: has been horrendous. We clearly have some sort of coaching problem.

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Speaker 1: And then there's little anecdote of little anecdote of how

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Speaker 1: the Gnats are the team that cuts corners on money

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Speaker 1: wherever they can. They're one of five franchises that doesn't

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Speaker 1: have the most up to date technology. So what do

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Speaker 1: they do with their first round draft pick? Do they

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Speaker 1: draft the kid out of LSU's apparently close to being

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Speaker 1: major league ready? Do they draft this great prospect ethan holiday. Look,

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Speaker 1: they drafted another and I taking nothing away from me, Like, well,

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Speaker 1: it's this is really cool for this kid, youngest ever

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Speaker 1: first overall pick. So that's awesome, all right, good for

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Speaker 1: him and good you know, but unfortunately the Nats, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Brady How's might be the first development success story they've

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Speaker 1: had in quite some time. We'll see, right, he's just

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Speaker 1: starting to finally come into form here. But oh, anyway,

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Speaker 1: so I'll admit that is that is consuming my brain

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Speaker 1: here in the moment. It is frustrating. This isn't what

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Speaker 1: This type of draft pick gives no reassurance to the

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Speaker 1: fan base that this ownership group knows what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: And this actually applies to something I'm about to in.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of grief many fans gave

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Speaker 1: Mike Rizzo, But Mike Rizzo has a boss, it's the

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Speaker 1: owners and there were certain things he could or couldn't

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Speaker 1: on him. And ultimately, you got to remember who does

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Speaker 1: staff work for that matters. When you think about Pam

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Speaker 1: Bondy and what she said about the Epstein files, you

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Speaker 1: got to remember who does she work for. Was it

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Speaker 1: Pambondi that didn't want to release this stuff or does

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Speaker 1: she have a boss that doesn't have to release so Anyway,

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Speaker 1: the point is is that a lot of times, I'll

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Speaker 1: equate this to the Dallas Maverick situation. That guy got

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Speaker 1: all this heat for doing what he did in trading Luca,

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Speaker 1: But is he paid to take the heat for owners

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Speaker 1: that didn't want to pay Luca that max salary that

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Speaker 1: he was going to be eligible for as a Dallas

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Speaker 1: Maverick that he will never be eligible for now that

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Speaker 1: he's been traded. So the point is is that all

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Speaker 1: this draft does for US NATS fans is to continue

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Speaker 1: to question just what is the commitment level of this owner?

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Speaker 1: Will The fact of the matter is you cannot win

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Speaker 1: if you're not willing to spend money. That's just not

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Speaker 1: how it works. I admire those owners that prioritize making

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Speaker 1: money and then happen to win as well. There's like

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Speaker 1: one or two of them. The Rooney family in with

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Speaker 1: the Steelers is one of them. And obviously football and

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Speaker 1: its socialistic ways make it quite easy to do that.

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Speaker 1: In baseball, if you're trying to run the team to

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Speaker 1: make money, and make a profit. It will. It almost

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Speaker 1: runs in direct conflict with building a winning team, especially

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Speaker 1: when you're dealing with the with the Dodgers and you're

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Speaker 1: even the Mets who have extraordinarily wealthy owners who just

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Speaker 1: want to win. They bought a trophy, and there was

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Speaker 1: a time the Learners behave like they bought a trophy.

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Speaker 1: Butever since COVID this has been a much different organization.

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Speaker 1: And let's just say this draft reflects that. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: I won't I won't keep going. This is not a

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Speaker 1: baseball podcast. This is just me me behaving like many

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Speaker 1: of you. Many amateur political folks behave, which is they

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Speaker 1: let their own personal feelings impact what they think of

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Speaker 1: a situation. And obviously in politics, I do my best

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Speaker 1: to be dispassionate about a certain about certain things. A

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Speaker 1: lot of people try to apply apply that say that

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Speaker 1: that somehow I do have a bias for or against people.

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Speaker 1: I have a bias against incompetency, I have a bias

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Speaker 1: against stupidity, and I have a bias against political polarization.

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Speaker 1: For political polarization's sake, Okay, I have plenty of personal

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Speaker 1: opinions that I will never share with you guys, because

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Speaker 1: I don't want you to use them as a way

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Speaker 1: to try to figure out why, you know, why I

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Speaker 1: say what I say. You know, Ultimately, I like to

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Speaker 1: let the fact speak for them spell speak for themselves,

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Speaker 1: which brings me to sort of the focus of how

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Speaker 1: I want to set things up. By the way, my

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Speaker 1: guest today, it's a terrific guest, Britney Peterson, who's in

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Speaker 1: her second term of Congress out of the state of Colorado,

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Speaker 1: fascinating rising star in the Democratic Party. She made some

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Speaker 1: noise a few months ago by working across the aisle

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Speaker 1: and came real close to would have had a bipartisan

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Speaker 1: majority in favor of essentially proxy voting for expecting mothers

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Speaker 1: for those with young children, and the Speaker of the

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Speaker 1: House that joined the House rather than allowed the discharged

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Speaker 1: petition to go forward. But the point is is that

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Speaker 1: lot of success in the state legislature, moving her way

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Speaker 1: to navigate Congress. Someone interesting to follow and be sure

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Speaker 1: to check out what she says at the end about

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Speaker 1: a potential promotion in politics. And I will get to

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Speaker 1: that after the interview, but let me start with the

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Speaker 1: Weekend and frankly sort of the it's the Epstein story,

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Speaker 1: but it's not the Epstein story. And here's my point.

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Speaker 1: This is a case of reality biting back. Okay, We're

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Speaker 1: more than half a year into Donald Trump's return to

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Speaker 1: the presidency, and his reality show is now colliding with

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Speaker 1: actual reality. From the Epstein Files to immigration enforcement, to

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Speaker 1: extreme weather and FEMA denihalism. This administration is trying to

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Speaker 1: guess what reality doesn't care about the story you're trying

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Speaker 1: to tell. Let's start with the Epstein files because in

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Speaker 1: many ways, as small potatoes as the actual story is,

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Speaker 1: it's the fact that it's roiling this world, I think

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Speaker 1: is an indictment on our broken information ecosystem. Let me explain.

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Speaker 1: So in this recent you know, over the weekendy one

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Speaker 1: comes to mind. As much as Donald Trump is spent

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Speaker 1: talking about Epstein on truth Social, but he claimed that

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Speaker 1: created by obamac or could Hillary call me Brennan and

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Speaker 1: the losers and criminals of the Biden administration. That's how

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Speaker 1: he put it. Of course, it's his reaction everything, And

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Speaker 1: it begs the question that many have answered, including Candice Owens,

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Speaker 1: be logical here a minute, right, if the Biden administration

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Speaker 1: were damning to say Bill Clinton and Alan Dershowitz, even

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Speaker 1: Trump would have released whatever files may or may not exist.

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Speaker 1: Of course, so obviously I don't think anybody believes that

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Speaker 1: if Trump that Trump read these files, they said clearly

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Speaker 1: on defamation what the administration is doing because they don't

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Speaker 1: committed crimes and there's zero evidence to prove it. Whatever

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Speaker 1: that the Russians medaled in our election and many other elections,

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Speaker 1: You can say, hey, it was wrong. There was no

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Speaker 1: evidence that Trump colluded with the Russians, but it does

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Speaker 1: not exonerate the goddamn Russians anyway. But there is a

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Speaker 1: simpler explanation why the files weren't released, by the way,

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Speaker 1: associating with Jeffrey Epstein. Isn't a crime. Is it gross, yes,

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Speaker 1: would imply criminal wrongdoing where there may be not. And

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Speaker 1: should always ask what's he trying to distract from? Because

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Speaker 1: guild by association is his favorite political weapon. He's used

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Speaker 1: pretty much, on anyone who stands in his way. It's

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Speaker 1: how he's delegitimized honest and reporters and reporting entities. And

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Speaker 1: bit because boy megas spent a long time mythmaking on

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Speaker 1: In fact, it brings me to immigration. It's another area

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Speaker 1: where Trump's narrative is being exposed by facts on the ground.

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Speaker 1: The reality is this, Trump is still trying to convince

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Speaker 1: the public that what happened at the border during Biden's

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Speaker 1: first two years in office, the paralysis and dysfunction, is

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Speaker 1: the same story that was taking place in Biden's last

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Speaker 1: two years and what he inherited. Well, it's not because

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Speaker 1: more about how they interact with this government, and they

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Speaker 1: a huge, huge problem. A few other quick stories I

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Speaker 1: with Brittany Peterson. Don't miss so Jake the better reserved

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Speaker 1: share j Powell. His term is up May of twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty six. It is clear Donald Trump is obsessed with

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Speaker 1: trying to get interest rates lowered sooner than that, because

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Speaker 1: He is, and he's trying to minimize that economic calamity,

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Speaker 1: hoping that lower interest rates somehow create a fog of

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Speaker 1: the investor concerned about tariffs. Eventually, of course, though all

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Speaker 1: these tariffs are going to get paid by consumers and

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Speaker 1: that's going to be the issue that bites them. You know,

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Speaker 1: or paying more at Walmart. But it's clear Trump is

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Speaker 1: looking for a pretext to fire Powell, and this was

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Speaker 1: a story that's starting to take shape. The Trump administration

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Speaker 1: can't fire him over policy, there is a loophole where

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Speaker 1: if he was somehow if he could fire the FED

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Speaker 1: nothing to do with policy. So what is this about.

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Speaker 1: It's about the idea of cost overruns the on the

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Speaker 1: FED Reserves remodeling of its Washington headquarters. Here's the headlines.

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Speaker 1: There's a Bipartis investigation into a two point five billion

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Speaker 1: dollar renovation about seven hundred million over budget, allegations of

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Speaker 1: Federserve chair j Pal's already testified that there were no

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Speaker 1: rooffuck terraces. He called those claims misleading and inaccurate. The

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Speaker 1: planning documents say otherwise. Of course, there are plenty of

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Speaker 1: it doesn't mean there were actual cost overruns. Now what's

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Speaker 1: the White House up to? Well? The White House, led

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Speaker 1: by the own b director Russell Boyd, has sent Powe

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Speaker 1: questioning compliance with federal building regulations. The Budget Director, Kevin Asked,

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Speaker 1: wrongdoing is proven. But here's what makes this dangerous. The

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Speaker 1: President seems to be seeding the storyline that somehow Powell

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Speaker 1: a narrative. Do you see a theme here about reality

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Speaker 1: versus narrative? So Trump's team really sees details. Powell responded,

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Speaker 1: but he is only a week to Rebut at that

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Speaker 1: point the administration may simply claim cause. And as the

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Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal warns, it risks undermining the FEDS of

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Speaker 1: dependence and that could rattle global markets. So, make no mistake,

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Speaker 1: the White House is on a loophole hunt. The law

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Speaker 1: doesn't allow for iring a FED chair of a policy,

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Speaker 1: but it does allow it for mis conduct. Trump's turning

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Speaker 1: a budgeting issue into a constitutional battlefield, one engineered with

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Speaker 1: spin and timing. That means the story isn't about marblers

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Speaker 1: or beef hives. It's about process because in Trump world view,

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Speaker 1: control the release of facts and shape the narrative. You

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Speaker 1: get to craft facts as you go, and once that happens,

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Speaker 1: those inconvenient Thursday reveals can justify the unthinkable by a Friday.

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Speaker 1: So yes, we've been covering reality versus narrative. We've covered fear,

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Speaker 1: and now it's powers pretext. How the president can weaponize

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Speaker 1: administration details, admit a street of details, right to reshape institutions,

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Speaker 1: and in this case, we're watching him build a script,

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Speaker 1: so be wary of that. Finally, one more item from

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Speaker 1: the weekend that I don't think you should miss, and

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Speaker 1: if you did, you should go back and check it out.

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Speaker 1: My friend Tom Edzel call my friend because I regularly

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Speaker 1: contribute money to his poker game. I say contribute money

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Speaker 1: because I never seem to win when I play poker

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Speaker 1: with Tom Edzel. That say word of warning to all

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Speaker 1: of you. But more importantly is a very compelling New

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Speaker 1: is ringing alarm bells for Democrats. He highlights the growing

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Speaker 1: crisis within the Democratic coalition, a crisis rooted not just

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Speaker 1: an economics or immigration, but in gender itself. And in

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Speaker 1: the piece, this is the part I found interesting. Ed

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Speaker 1: So quotes Richard Reeves. He's the founding president of the

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Speaker 1: American Institute for Boys and Men, and he explained the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four shift of men, particularly younger men, towards

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Speaker 1: Trump and away from the Democrats. And he explained the

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Speaker 1: ship this way is quote because the Democrats effectively ran

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Speaker 1: points to a March twenty twenty four pole summary by

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Speaker 1: the polster Anna Greenberg, who wrote in The Hill, sixty

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Speaker 1: percent of self identified Democrats are women. The base are

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Speaker 1: women of color. Ninety two percent of Black women, sixty

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Speaker 1: five percent of Latinas, and sixty nine percent of AAPI

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Speaker 1: women voted for Joe Biden in twenty twenty. In other words,

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Speaker 1: Democrats have leaned so heavily in to their female base,

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Speaker 1: in some cases some of them feel attacked. Rushma Sajani

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Speaker 1: it bluntly after the election, quote, no one wants to

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Speaker 1: be part of a movement that ignores or even denigrates them.

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Speaker 1: Them referring to men, and she argued that Democrats must

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Speaker 1: address men's issues. Quote, we can't build the democracy we

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Speaker 1: need without men, and right now we're shutting them down

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Speaker 1: and pushing them away. And Jim Kessler Third Way, another

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Speaker 1: He said this to Edsel, the language we use is

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Speaker 1: hoiti and elitists. Men are considered privileged and advantaged. He

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Speaker 1: party that criticized them, mixed with a sense that economic

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Speaker 1: ignorance further deepens than divide. Look, what Democrats have gotten

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Speaker 1: into is that they are coming across as a party

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Speaker 1: who essentially said any success by a man was because

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Speaker 1: they had a gender advantage. At least that's what men heard.

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Speaker 1: I know that's not what many women were saying and

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Speaker 1: what many Democrats were saying, but that is what's come across.

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Speaker 1: And so whatever it is, it came across. And I'll

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Speaker 1: never forget. I had a producer point this out to me.

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Speaker 1: Back in twenty sixteen. Hillary Clinton was during a rally

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Speaker 1: and she was name checking every single demographic group that

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Speaker 1: she wanted to support, she wanted their support from, and

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Speaker 1: except one, she never asked for the vote of men.

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Speaker 1: And it was one of these weird things where my

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Speaker 1: producer who said, you know, I don't really want to

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Speaker 1: vote for Donald Trump, but I wish she would ask

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Speaker 1: for me, ask for my vote. And that's how a

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Speaker 1: lot of men have felt the Democrats don't seem to

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Speaker 1: want to communicate with men. That instead there's more of

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Speaker 1: a desire not to almost run against men. And I

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Speaker 1: get it. Toxic masculinity is a spouse by Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: is just that toxic and not exactly the way any

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Speaker 1: of us would want to see our sons behave or

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Speaker 1: be raised. But there is, as with everything, everything's been

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Speaker 1: about the extremes, and there's not been enough nuance, and

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Speaker 1: that nuance, that lack of nuance maybe why men feel

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Speaker 1: as if they are feeling pushed away by the Democratic Party,

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Speaker 1: particularly non college educated mat So. The fact is, here's

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Speaker 1: what Democrats have to do. If they don't re enter

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Speaker 1: men's lived experience economically, culturally, socially, they are risk. They

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Speaker 1: don't want to be boxed in by the women's party

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Speaker 1: as self reinforcement reality that could cost them future election.

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Speaker 1: Not about abandoning gender equity at all or diluting progressive values.

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Speaker 1: It's about building a more inclusive message, one that says

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Speaker 1: we hear you. Your struggles matter too. You aren't the enemy.

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Speaker 1: We'll see right. It's so funny. Just ten years ago

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Speaker 1: Republicans were petrified at the gender gap. They felt like, oh,

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Speaker 1: if they can't figure out how to win women some

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Speaker 1: women back, they couldn't win national elections anymore. You know,

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Speaker 1: the gender back. The gender gap can cut both ways,

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Speaker 1: against the Democrats than it is against the Republicans. All right,

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Speaker 1: before we get to Britney Peterson, I just want you

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Speaker 1: to take a look at the new sphere APT this

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Speaker 1: week I had to sit down with rama Manuel, somebody

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Speaker 1: who has got some blunt talk for the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 1: He wants to get it. Basically, he wants to go

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Speaker 1: back to a Democratic party that preaches more about opportunity.

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Speaker 1: He said, everything through an economic lens, sort of essentially

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Speaker 1: punt a bit more on some of the cultural issues.

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Speaker 1: Don't get defined by those cultural issues. But look, instead

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Speaker 1: of me characterizing the interview. All I will say is

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Speaker 1: it was a very loose rama manual. This is as

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Speaker 1: loose as I've ever seen them. Obviously, I do my

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Speaker 1: best to have a very loose converse on these Newsphere converces,

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Speaker 1: on these Newshare interviews, because I believe we actually learn

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Speaker 1: more about these individuals if we have a longer interview

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Speaker 1: in a relaxed setting, which we did at one of

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Speaker 1: the great locations in DC, the Hamilton. So I hope

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Speaker 1: you will take a listen, take a look. It's on

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Speaker 1: the Newsphere app. If you signed up for your free

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Speaker 1: trial for the month, then you're going to watch it

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Speaker 1: with no problem. If you haven't, do so, take a look,

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Speaker 1: and please think about subscribing. This is among the future

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Speaker 1: building an honest and transparent and information ecosystem, and it

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Speaker 1: begins with great news organizations like Newsphere. All right, So

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Speaker 1: with that, let's sneak at a break when we come back,

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Speaker 1: my conversation with Britney Peterson, Democratic congresswoman in the suburbs

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Speaker 1: of Denver, Colorado. All right, enjoining me now, Congresswoman Britney

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Speaker 1: Peterson of Congressional District in the suburbs of Denver. I

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Speaker 1: will let Congresswoman Peterson describe the district for me because

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Speaker 1: I love doing this. It's something I missed from the

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Speaker 1: old Colbert Report when it was the whole you know,

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Speaker 1: get to know your district. So tell us about your district.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about your district.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm so excited to be with you. I

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Speaker 2: represent Colorada's seventh Congressional district. It's the suburbs to the

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Speaker 2: west to Denver. So it's Jefferson County and Broomfield that's

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Speaker 2: where the majority of the population is. But it goes

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Speaker 2: all the way throughout rural Colorado, goes up against sand dunes.

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Speaker 2: It includes Canyon City, i Uni Vista, Salaieda, Leadville, which

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Speaker 2: is the highest city in the country.

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Speaker 1: So this is all okay, it's all on the west side,

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Speaker 1: correct me if I'm one. Was Jefferson County the home

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Speaker 1: of course?

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Speaker 2: Yes, so they many years ago they developed the Core's

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Speaker 2: Brewery and in Golden Colorado, so some of the best

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Speaker 2: real estate in Colorado. And then they continue to thrive there.

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Speaker 1: Is it still a big employer? I mean with all

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Speaker 1: the mergers and conglomerations, you know, it's like, I'll be honest,

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Speaker 1: Staneuser Busch's presence in Saint Louis looks big, looks huge,

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Speaker 1: but it's nowhere near it used to be. As far

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Speaker 1: as supporting the community for jobs and things like that,

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Speaker 1: how would you describe sort of the you know, the

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Speaker 1: amount of connection you know that people have the course

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Speaker 1: these days in the community, it's still.

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Speaker 2: It's still a significant piece of our local economy. This

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Speaker 2: is a business that's I don't have the exact numbers

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Speaker 2: of how many people work there, but they've continued to

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Speaker 2: important part of not just the community and economy, but

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Speaker 2: also you know, our Colorado identity.

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Speaker 1: Yes, no, I get that. I get that. When we

644
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Speaker 1: were when we first were booking you, it was just

645
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Speaker 1: after you had been making this effort on proxy voting,

646
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Speaker 1: and so before we get to sort of news of

647
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Speaker 1: the current moment and all this stuff, you got a compromise,

648
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: not a great compromise, but explain the compromise you've got.

649
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Speaker 1: You've got a five and a half month old, your

650
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Speaker 1: second child. You've been an elective office over a decade now,

651
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Speaker 1: so this is the second time you've uh You've given

652
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Speaker 1: birth while holding elective office. What I was impressed by

653
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Speaker 1: how close you got to getting proxy voting and that

654
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Speaker 1: there was a bipartisan effort. What U, why do you

655
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Speaker 1: think it? I mean, you got close. Why didn't you

656
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Speaker 1: get there? You think?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I think that, you know, at a time where people

659
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Speaker 2: feel so crushed after the election and the majorities that

660
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Speaker 2: were coming in and the presidency, I think it was

661
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 2: a glimmer of hope of us defying leadership going around

662
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Speaker 2: you know, Speaker Johnson and actually coming together to do

663
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Speaker 2: something that's important for addressing the workforce needs of the

664
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Speaker 2: people that are serving today. I think, you know, they

665
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Speaker 2: continue to do things in Congress the way they did

666
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Speaker 2: almost two hundred and fifty years ago, and that was

667
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Speaker 2: not a time where women were even allowed to vote,

668
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Speaker 2: let alone serve in Congress. And you know, we need

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Speaker 2: to address the challenges that so many of us face

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Speaker 2: and make sure that people like me and others who

671
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Speaker 2: have young families are able to serve and stay there.

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Speaker 2: So it was exciting to go to come together in

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Speaker 2: a buy purchase and way. I Representative Luna was leading

674
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Speaker 2: on the Republican side, who had also had a child

675
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Speaker 2: while she was in Congress, I was the fourteenth voting member.

676
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Speaker 2: She was the thirteenth, I believe, and so she went

677
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 2: through it firsthand knew how unfair it was that, you know,

678
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Speaker 2: being a woman and being pregnant, not being able to

679
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Speaker 2: border plane when you're close up to your due date,

680
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Speaker 2: and not being able.

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Speaker 1: To right months from because yeah, isn't that the law.

682
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Speaker 1: It's eight months, right, they won't let you on a

683
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Speaker 1: plane even if you wanted to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I think it was exactly, it's about four

685
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Speaker 2: weeks before your due date. Unfortunately, my first pregnancy, I

686
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Speaker 2: realized that nine months pregnant, pregnant means a full nine months,

687
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Speaker 2: so it's not like you hit nine and then they're due.

688
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Speaker 2: But so you know, so it's it's being restricted from

689
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Speaker 2: doing your job or when you're close to your due date,

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Speaker 2: and then post birth, you know, you have a newborn

691
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Speaker 2: that needs twenty four seven care, the most vulnerable time

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Speaker 2: in their life. You're recovering from what's comparable to a

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Speaker 2: huge surgery. So I think that the American people were

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Speaker 2: kind of shocked that we didn't address some of these

695
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Speaker 2: challenges that somebody in that situation wouldn't be allowed to

696
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Speaker 2: vote in the twenty century, we're very capable of communicating

697
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Speaker 2: where we would be to represent our constituents, so we

698
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 2: Speaker Johnson, he definitely was dug in on this. We

699
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Speaker 2: actually brought a discharge petition and we got enough votes

700
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Speaker 2: for the fifth time in the last twenty five years

701
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Speaker 2: to go around leadership to force the vote on the floor.

702
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Speaker 2: And then he adjourned the entire House because he was

703
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Speaker 2: avoiding actually bringing this to a vote. So it was

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Speaker 2: it was really unfortunate. I think that he was unwilling

705
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Speaker 2: to come to the table on this, but I think

706
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Speaker 2: it gave a glimmer of hope and so many people

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Speaker 2: were following it because of women coming together, moms coming

708
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Speaker 2: together to actually change the way that we do things

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Speaker 2: in Congress.

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Speaker 1: So if there's a new a new speaker in the

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Speaker 1: start of twenty twenty seven, what's the legislation you hope

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Speaker 1: to introduce that would make this so that nobody else

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Speaker 1: has to go through what you went through.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it raises a lot of questions around,

715
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Speaker 2: you know, what we're doing to address medical reasons that

716
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Speaker 2: people can't be there in person. So I think that

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Speaker 2: this is the beginning of a conversation on how we're

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Speaker 2: going to govern ourselves and how we're going to engage

719
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Speaker 2: in Congress, and whether or not our constituents deserve to

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Speaker 2: have a voice if we go through something medically like

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Speaker 2: giving birth and are unable to be their in person,

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Speaker 2: and if we should address those barriers. I think that

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Speaker 2: in these limited circumstances, that we should create the opportunities

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Speaker 2: for people to have their constituents represented and be able

725
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Speaker 2: to do their jobs. I understand people's concerned about it

726
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Speaker 2: going too far and you know, wanting to make sure

727
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Speaker 2: that we're there in person. The most important piece of

728
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Speaker 2: this job is relationship buildings, So you know, being there

729
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Speaker 2: in person, getting to know each other is essential for

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Speaker 2: us actually coming together in a bipartisan way and addressing

731
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Speaker 2: the challenges that the country's facing. But there are circumstances,

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Speaker 2: whether you're going through you know, cancer treatment or you're

733
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Speaker 2: giving birth, you know that we should be considering. I

734
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Speaker 2: think that we should align it with the paid family

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Speaker 2: leave policies that actually Trump championed for federal workers his

736
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Speaker 2: first time around, and he actually came out in favor

737
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Speaker 2: of this, which was wild. But so I guess there's

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Speaker 2: something we agree on.

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Speaker 1: You know what are the guardrails you'd be willing to

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Speaker 1: put on it, and it should be sort of medical procedures.

741
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Speaker 1: What else do you think should qualify to be allowed

742
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Speaker 1: to vote, to not be in person to vote?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think, you know, having our office and having

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Speaker 2: paid family leave for our employees, they have to go

745
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Speaker 2: through you know, if somebody is sick, if they have surgery,

746
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Speaker 2: whatever it is, they have to go through the process

747
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Speaker 2: of proving through a doctor and extensive paperwork. You know,

748
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Speaker 2: this isn't this isn't something that is easy to take

749
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Speaker 2: advantage of. And so I think that if we applied

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Speaker 2: that for members Congress for voting, but it is the

751
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Speaker 2: same opportunities that other federal workers have.

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Speaker 1: Is there any way to compare your experience at the

753
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Speaker 1: state legislature versus Congress? And I say that because I

754
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Speaker 1: know it's a part time legislature, so perhaps there's really

755
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Speaker 1: not a comparison considering Congress is such a full time experience.

756
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also just being in the legislature. They say

757
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 2: it's part time, but it was definitely a full time job.

758
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Speaker 2: Especially I was always in a targeted seat, so you know,

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Speaker 2: maybe in the odd year I might have a couple

760
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Speaker 2: months where I wasn't working around the clock, but it

761
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 2: was definitely more than a full time job when I

762
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Speaker 2: gave birth. In the legislature, when I was in the

763
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Speaker 2: state Senate, there was actually a law that restricted people

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Speaker 2: getting paid unless if you were gone for an extended

765
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Speaker 2: period of time, unless it was a chronic illness, And

766
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Speaker 2: so leadership had to okay my absence and categorize it

767
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Speaker 2: as a chronic illness in order.

768
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Speaker 1: To see so at the State of Colorado, pregnancy is

769
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Speaker 1: a chronic illness.

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Speaker 2: It was, and then I brought a bill to change

771
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Speaker 2: the law. So I think, you know, it's just reflective

772
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 2: that these places were not made for women. It wasn't

773
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Speaker 2: We were never thought about when creating the framework of

774
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Speaker 2: these places of power, and that's why it's incumbent upon

775
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Speaker 2: us when we're there that we're actually changing it for

776
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Speaker 2: the people that are coming in behind us.

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Speaker 1: You have said that you were surprised at how much,

778
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Speaker 1: how far behind Congresses when it comes to women in

779
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Speaker 1: the workplace compared to frankly everybody else, I mean everywhere else.

780
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Speaker 1: And you know, I first started my first professional year

781
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Speaker 1: covering politics was nineteen ninety two. That was the so

782
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Speaker 1: called Ear of the Woman, and there were a slew

783
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Speaker 1: of new members of Congress, new women members of Congress,

784
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Speaker 1: both in the House of the Senate. And I remember

785
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Speaker 1: distinctly that there was like, oh, there need to make

786
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Speaker 1: more bathrooms. It wasn't enough women's bathrooms. It was this

787
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Speaker 1: is nineteen ninety two, right, this is not eighteen ninety two,

788
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Speaker 1: as I like to remind people. And yet here you

789
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Speaker 1: hear you're describing a situation where thirty three years later

790
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: sounds like it's still it's not fairly equal.

791
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you're exactly right. We in I think

792
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 2: it was under a speaker Bayer at the time that

793
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 2: he brought a women's bathroom outside of the House chamber,

794
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 2: and you know, there's a ladies room that you can

795
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Speaker 2: go and rest and be there in between votes if

796
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Speaker 2: you need to. And it was designed as a secret

797
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 2: place for women to use the bathroom because women weren't

798
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 2: allowed to use the bathroom in the Capitol. So when

799
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Speaker 2: I think about Pat S. Roheder, who was actually the

800
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: first woman elected to Congress from Colorado, and I sat

801
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 2: on a panel with her, and she talked about when

802
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 2: she was in committee that they wouldn't even give her

803
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 2: a chair as a member of Congress, and she had

804
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 2: to share it with her male colleague. So when you

805
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 2: think about how far behind the times they were, then,

806
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess we've caught up a little bit,

807
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 2: but we have a long way to go. And it's

808
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 2: always the defenders of the status quo. It's like even

809
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 2: in the legislature with democratic majorities, it was you know,

810
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 2: just pushing back against why we need to change the

811
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Speaker 2: law and why that was essential and we shouldn't be

812
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 2: asking for permission from leadership. This should be a given,

813
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 2: and not being okay with the way that things were.

814
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Speaker 1: All right, So let's you know, you were in a

815
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Speaker 1: majority in the Colorado legislature. You have yet to experience

816
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Speaker 1: the majority in the congressional in Congress. Yeah, wait, describe

817
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 1: life and I try to describe life in the House

818
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: minority to people, it is it is really difficult to

819
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Speaker 1: get much done. The fact that you've got to vote

820
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: on anything, right, look at what you had to do,

821
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: and you were just simply trying to, you know, deal

822
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 1: with something that wasn't about the America's agenda was really

823
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: about the ability to participate in the workplace. But you

824
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: had to go through as a member of the minority.

825
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: You had to go through a discharge position, you had

826
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Speaker 1: to help to find some folks on the other side.

827
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Speaker 1: It is you try to put some paint the picture

828
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Speaker 1: here of how hard it is to be in the minority,

829
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Speaker 1: the elected minority, and the House of Representatives these days.

830
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely challenging, I think, especially right now, and

831
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 2: we feel people's frustration across the country with just you know,

832
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 2: wanting to see that we're able to do something, that

833
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 2: we're able to fight back in no matter what levers

834
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Speaker 2: were utilizing. We are not in power, of course, we're

835
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 2: not powerless. But so I try to take my Colorado

836
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Speaker 2: away and remind myself every day in Colorado, even though

837
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Speaker 2: I was in the majority, we had to split chambers

838
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 2: for most of the time that I served, and some

839
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Speaker 2: of the most rewarding and impactful pieces of legislation that

840
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 2: I was able to pass was it was actually getting

841
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 2: in across the line in the Republican Senate majority, and

842
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 2: you know, things like utilizing a waiver for Medicaid to

843
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 2: draw down hundreds of millions of dollars for substance usice

844
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 2: order treatment, and that was something that it was you know,

845
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 2: some people argue it was expanding medicaid and why would

846
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 2: Republicans ever support that, And we were able to get

847
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 2: that bipartisan support to address the opioid crisis. And actually

848
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Speaker 2: I got an amendment in the big beautiful bill, the

849
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Speaker 2: terrible bill that went through they took away that waiver opportunity.

850
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Speaker 2: We had thirty five other states that followed Colorado's lead

851
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Speaker 2: on utilizing this waiver process to cover substance usice order treatment,

852
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 2: and they took that away in that bill. And I

853
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 2: got an amendment to the floor, and we actually failed

854
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 2: on a tie vote. We almost had the votes necessary

855
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 2: to change that and pass the making sure that states

856
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 2: like Colorada could still utilize that. So it's an example.

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Speaker 2: I think that is a it is a big uphill battle.

858
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Speaker 2: But when we're willing to build relationships, when we're willing

859
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Speaker 2: to spend the time to connect with people and also

860
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Speaker 2: connect these issues to their districts and why they should

861
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Speaker 2: care that, we do have the opportunity to get things done.

862
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Speaker 2: But it is it can be frustrating, and I think

863
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Speaker 2: the proxy situation so many people vote supported that. I mean,

864
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Speaker 2: we would have had a very broad support on the

865
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Speaker 2: House floor if it we're brought to a vote. And

866
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Speaker 2: so I think that where we're really failing in our

867
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Speaker 2: democracy is the consolidation of power with the leadership, whether

868
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Speaker 2: that's any you know, Republican or Democrat. You shouldn't have

869
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 2: a few people making these decisions, and we've seen that

870
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Speaker 2: that has been consolidated over the last few decades, and

871
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Speaker 2: I think it's been detrimental to really getting things done.

872
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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you brought it up in those terms.

873
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Speaker 1: I mean, I've been arguing this all the time that

874
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Speaker 1: unfortunately there may be five hundred and thirty five elect

875
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Speaker 1: members of Congress, there are four that make ninety percent

876
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Speaker 1: of the decisions, right, the two leaders. And this is

877
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: a bipartisan way. It doesn't matter. Right, those four leaders,

878
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: the leading D and R in the House and the

879
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: leading DN R and the Senate, they tell committee chairs

880
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Speaker 1: and ranking members. And I have to tell you when

881
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 1: I first that is not the way things operated committee

882
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Speaker 1: chairs had. Is that how it operated in the Colorado

883
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Speaker 1: House and Senate? Or was it a little bit more egalitarian?

884
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Speaker 2: Look, I think that there were some things where I mean,

885
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 2: I was chair of two committees and my job was

886
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 2: my full time job is basically fixing everybody's bills and

887
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 2: making sure that when they went through my committee they

888
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Speaker 2: were either dead if they didn't make sense, or you know,

889
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 2: that we were actually bringing policy that was going to work.

890
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Speaker 2: So I feel like I was the fixer constantly. I

891
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 2: think that's a really important piece. But you know, we

892
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 2: did have a lot more opportunity to have a voice

893
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 2: in the state legislature to build some of the most

894
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Speaker 2: contentious bills where we were able to continue to sit

895
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Speaker 2: at the table together. It wasn't leadership doing those negotiations.

896
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 2: It was us as committee chairs and as members working

897
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Speaker 2: on these issues, and leadership giving us the leeway to

898
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Speaker 2: do that. Now, I think that I of course, I'm

899
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Speaker 2: a big fan of Hakim and our leadership team, and

900
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 2: I think that they're trying to build an inclusive opportunity

901
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 2: now to build our long term agenda and make sure

902
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Speaker 2: that our voices are included in that process. But we

903
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,399
Speaker 2: saw with a new Gamerich when he said everybody needs

904
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 2: to go home and nobody should be in DC, we

905
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 2: stopped people in Congress, stopped living in DC, they stopped

906
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 2: getting to know each other. They didn't see there, they

907
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 2: didn't see each other at baseball games or at the

908
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 2: grocery store, you know, whatever it was that they were

909
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 2: actually you know, not immediately leaving and leaving that gaping

910
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 2: hole only to leadership if they're the only ones in

911
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 2: DC making these decisions. So that was I think one

912
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 2: of the most impactful things in the wrong way. And

913
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 2: we used to have discharge petitions used to be anonymous,

914
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Speaker 2: so if you forced a vote, you weren't held accountable

915
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 2: politically by leadership. And it really forced people to the

916
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Speaker 2: table to come together to negotiate on both sides because

917
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 2: they knew that the middle would force a vote if

918
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Speaker 2: leadership didn't do their jobs.

919
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Speaker 1: Look, I believe the source of ninety percent of our

920
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: frustrations about how government is working or not working now

921
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 1: come from Congress, from the broken Congress. Right, that's one

922
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: way Congress broke, you know, the inability to realize that

923
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: for people to read the Constitution and realize there's an order.

924
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,399
Speaker 1: There's a reason the legislative legislative brands came first. There's

925
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Speaker 1: a reason it's artical one in that article two and

926
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 1: just all of it. Right, it's this, it's sort of

927
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Speaker 1: like it's death by a thousand cuts. And it's been

928
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: over this thirty year period. I mean, you're right, Gingrich

929
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Speaker 1: sort of started this consolidation of power, and then, of

930
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: course it becomes reactionary, right when the next you know,

931
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,760
Speaker 1: because and look, Nancy Pelosi ruled with an iron fist.

932
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Speaker 1: It was very successful. It's how healthcare got through. But

933
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Speaker 1: this was not done by the committees, you know, and

934
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Speaker 1: that and that is the tax plan has not been

935
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Speaker 1: done by the committees. This is a big, beautiful mess

936
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: that was passed. Is the description figured you might was

937
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: written in the Oval office and the Speaker's office and

938
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Speaker 1: in John Thune's office. It was not done with ways.

939
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Speaker 1: It means in the Finance committee. Now, guess what, it

940
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 1: would have taken longer, right, And that's why they did

941
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Speaker 1: it this way. It was a shortcut. But when you

942
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Speaker 1: do things by shortcut, it's why the public doesn't accept

943
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: the result. That's what I think that folks don't realize here.

944
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's I mean, you're exactly right. It sees

945
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:54,240
Speaker 2: structural barriers that prevent Congress from actually being a functioning

946
00:53:54,280 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 2: body and representing the voices of the people that elected them.

947
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Speaker 2: And that's why even though proxy voting is a little

948
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 2: piece of trying to fix the system. It's an important

949
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 2: step in addressing some of these challenges. So that's why

950
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 2: I think, you know, it's not just about these small,

951
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 2: these unique experiences in Congress. It's about really trying to

952
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 2: look at where we need to go and how we

953
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 2: need to build a system that works better.

954
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Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit. You have represented

955
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Speaker 1: swing districts. The look the Denver suburbs are among the

956
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Speaker 1: swingiest suburbs anywhere, just like frankly, very similar to the

957
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Speaker 1: suburbs of many big metropolitan areas like Denver, which means

958
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 1: you've got multiple constituencies that are probably chewing your ear off.

959
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 1: And I was curious. I was curious of your reaction.

960
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:55,800
Speaker 1: There was this Axios piece earlier this week and timestamp

961
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: and this it's Thursday, July tenth, earlier this week that

962
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 1: had all these ann to miss members of Congress, Democratic

963
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 1: members of Congress that said, boy, at their town halls,

964
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Speaker 1: their constituents are just on fire. They want blood in

965
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: the water, literally, don't you know. One member of Congress said,

966
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Speaker 1: you know, when people start a fire, my instinct is

967
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 1: to put the fire out. And then somebody yelled out no,

968
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: why don't you try gasoline? And this has been a

969
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: fear that I've had that the frustration by Trump's success

970
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: by the left was going to say, well, screw it.

971
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 1: If you can't beat them, join them right, try the

972
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: copycat tactics of Mega you've got. I'm guessing I know

973
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: the Colorado Electric pretty well. There's a devoted progressive base

974
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: that's probably on fire. And there's this, you know, very

975
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 1: swingy independent libertarian, culturally liberal but fiscally a little more

976
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 1: conservative voter that also populates a district like yours. How

977
00:55:55,880 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 1: are you balancing those pressures.

978
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 2: You painted the picture? Well, I think that you know,

979
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 2: I'm lucky I grew up in this district. It's made

980
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 2: me who I am. I feel very in line with

981
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 2: the overwhelming majority of people here. I don't feel like

982
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 2: I need to hide who I am in any way

983
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 2: or worry about my votes, and that I can explain

984
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 2: to people, you know, why have I voted a certain way?

985
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 2: And I know that my voters are going to be

986
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 2: there with me. I think the difficulty is going back

987
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,879
Speaker 2: to your previous question about being the minority. They bring

988
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 2: these gatcha votes that are meant to piss off your

989
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 2: base or be a general election issue, and so that's

990
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 2: a really frustrating piece. And unfortunately, some of the base

991
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 2: folks get played quite frankly by the Republicans tactics, and

992
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 2: so that can be a very frustrating thing. And you

993
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 2: can't explain all of this to Eve every single voter.

994
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 2: So those are some of those traps that I think

995
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 2: are very annoying as a legislator. But you know, I

996
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 2: also I'm doing everything I you know, I can't sleep

997
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 2: at night thinking about what's happening to this country. I

998
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 2: live and breathe it every single day. I think about

999
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 2: my sons on the future that they're going to have,

1000
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 2: the kids growing up here in Colorado. And you know,

1001
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 2: the opportunities I had growing up in Jefferson County that

1002
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 2: I was a high risk youth. My mom struggled with

1003
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 2: an opioid addiction after a back injury that led to

1004
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 2: heroin and ultimately fentanyl, and I was highly unlikely to succeed.

1005
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 2: I was the first in my family to graduate from

1006
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 2: high school and college and it was all of and

1007
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 2: I'm in Congress. It's a very unlikely story, but it's

1008
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 2: because I was given a chance. I had those public investments,

1009
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 2: I had access to great schools and teachers, and we

1010
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 2: had access to food assistants when we hit hard times

1011
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 2: as a family. And you know, all of these safety

1012
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 2: nets that have given me the chance to invest back

1013
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 2: can be successful in my community, that so many kids

1014
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 2: are being cut off from that same chance right now,

1015
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 2: and so you know, I get frustrated. I'm also the

1016
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 2: if there's a fire, let's work on putting it out,

1017
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 2: because that's the type of leadership that I think we

1018
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 2: need to bring on solving the real issues facing people.

1019
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 2: But I think right now there's so much at stake,

1020
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 2: and people are so scared that they just want to

1021
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,919
Speaker 2: know that you're fighting. And I think that that's why

1022
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 2: when I showed up with Sam when he was four

1023
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 2: weeks old, when they wouldn't give me the opportunity to

1024
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 2: vote remotely to vote against the budget bill, why it

1025
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 2: went virals because it was a symbol of doing everything

1026
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 2: that it takes to fight back Right now, so I

1027
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,439
Speaker 2: guess you know, I'm still being who I am. I'm

1028
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 2: a problem solver. I care about actually addressing these challenges,

1029
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 2: trying to find bipartisan solutions where we can. But also

1030
00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 2: I understand that this is unprecedented and everything that we

1031
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 2: care about right now is on the shopping block, so

1032
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 2: we have to do whatever it takes.

1033
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: I want to get at an issue that I know

1034
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: shows up a lot in town halls does not show

1035
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: up a lot in Washington coverage, and that is housing policy.

1036
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: And I sit there and say it because it was

1037
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 1: one of these I'd love to do this. Whenever I'm

1038
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: with members of Congress, I'm like, hey, tell me an

1039
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: issue that comes up all the time that none of

1040
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 1: us ever cover. And last cycle to a member was

1041
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: Republican and Democrat, it was constantly you know, four years

1042
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: ago it was the okio but it was actually about

1043
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 1: eight years ago z the opioid epidemic that that was

1044
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: the story before Washington types like myself caught on right.

1045
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: Housing is now housing both affordability and availability. You are

1046
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: representing an area that everybody wants to move to, and

1047
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: I have no doubt there are just as many people

1048
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: that don't that think, hey, we need more housing, but

1049
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 1: not in my backyard. You know, don't mess up my community.

1050
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: I love my community. We don't need new townhouses and

1051
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: we don't need this. And what is this to me

1052
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: how much of it is at a state issue and

1053
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 1: how much of it is at a federal issue. And

1054
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 1: I feel like you're in a unique spot because you've

1055
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: probably been focused on housing policy in both places you've been,

1056
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 1: and now that you've seen and understand, frankly, what's possible

1057
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 1: on the state level and what isn't and what's possible

1058
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 1: on the federal level and what isn't. What should our

1059
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: housing give me a framework of what you'd like to

1060
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 1: see us start to work on when it comes to

1061
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 1: housing policy, and how does the federal government help your

1062
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 1: district with housing affordability?

1063
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for bringing this up. It's actually why I'm

1064
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 2: on Financial Services and because I wanted to be on

1065
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 2: the Housing Subcommittee, and i've served now this is my

1066
01:00:56,560 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 2: third year. It's been frustrating because the Republicans have not

1067
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 2: prioritized this issue the way that I believe it needs

1068
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 2: to be prioritized. It can't just be solved with tax incentives.

1069
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 2: This is about huge, bold investments at the federal level

1070
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Speaker 2: in states like Colorado just simply cannot take that burden on.

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Speaker 2: And so when we are in a position where we're

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Speaker 2: not actually even willing to have the conversation about what

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Speaker 2: these investments look like. It is continuing to put us

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Speaker 2: decades behind where we need to be. And there are

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Speaker 2: a ton of opportunities right now when we look at

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01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 2: new technologies that we could invest in. I visited the

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Speaker 2: first three D printed home in Colorado last year and

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Speaker 2: it was you know, we have the opportunity to start

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Speaker 2: building homes more affordably, but we need those local permitting.

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Speaker 2: We need to address the barriers at the local level with.

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Speaker 1: The local regulation issues, right Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But we can incentivize with the right So you know,

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01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 2: we have a bill that is says, if you're taking

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01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 2: these federal grants, you actually have to identify your local

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01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 2: your local policies that create barriers for housing development. And

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01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 2: just by having these local communities identify the barriers, it's

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01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 2: a very small step forward, but then they're thinking about

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01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 2: it and they're actually having being forced to look at

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Speaker 2: the the housing policies that they have in place or

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01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 2: that don't increase the supply. So there are things that

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Speaker 2: we can do like that that are small. We have,

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Speaker 2: you know, bipartisan bills in that area, but we need

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Speaker 2: bold investments. We haven't done that since the nineties.

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Speaker 1: What does the investment look like? Tell me what that

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01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 1: that's what I'm here. I hear what is that? What

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Speaker 1: is the investment? Is it land acquisition? Is it incentives

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Speaker 1: for developers? What does this look like?

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Speaker 2: This is why these issues are hard to cover, just

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01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 2: like the opioid epdemic, because they're very complicated and it

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01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 2: really is an all hands on deck approach. So you

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01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 2: have to give the carrots and the incentives for changes

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Speaker 2: at the local level with policies. You have to give

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01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 2: the federal dollars for land acquisition, for actually building some

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Speaker 2: of these upfront costs. The last time that we've done

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01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 2: that was in the nineties at the federal level, and

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01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 2: so all of these buildings had you know, a thirty

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01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 2: year basically, they had a timeline over thirty years where

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01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 2: they would be held for affordable housing. And most of

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01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 2: these are actually coming up right now and being bought privately,

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01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 2: and so you're going to see the limited amounts that

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Speaker 2: we've invested in at the federal level. Those two are

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01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 2: going away, and those were that was decades ago. So

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01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 2: we are we're dealing with, you know, it's a housing

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01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 2: crisis from two thousand and nine where home builders went

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01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 2: out of business and they never caught back up to

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01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 2: where they were, and we had stagnation during that time,

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01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 2: and then you have you know, unfortunately what's happened just

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01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 2: the lack of building how hoes for decades to follow,

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01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 2: and now we're deporting everybody that we need in critical

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01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 2: areas like construction, so and tariffs, you have the cost

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01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 2: going up again, and we have you know, we were

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Speaker 2: starting to stabilize with our with our rating here in

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01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 2: the United States and making sure that inflation was starting

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Speaker 2: to go down, and you know, some of these things

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Speaker 2: that we were starting to recover from the global pandemic,

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Speaker 2: and unfortunately now it's it's going the opposite direction because

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Speaker 2: of Trump's failed policies. So there is a lot that

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Speaker 2: we can that we have to do at the federal level,

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Speaker 2: and it does come down to money. And that's why

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Speaker 2: Republicans are unwilling to have that conversation. And we didn't

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Speaker 2: need to talk about housing insurance policy. I mean, places

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Speaker 2: like Colorado, we're seeing skyrocketing prices for insurance.

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Speaker 1: It's not just Colorado. This is now a fifty state

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01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 1: phenomenon now right with extreme weather, you know, I had

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01:04:57,640 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: an issue at my house a few years ago, we

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01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 1: got one these microburst storms. It was something like eight

1137
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 1: inches of water, you know, rain in an hour, right,

1138
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 1: it was no And I remember talking to the real

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01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 1: estate adjuster and I was trying to see if my

1140
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 1: policy was going to cover it, and he literally, the

1141
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 1: adjuster said to me, you know, we don't cover water.

1142
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 1: I said, what do you mean you don't cover water?

1143
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, I You're.

1144
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 1: Just sit there going, well, that's like nine I you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't live on a you know, I've thought I

1146
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Speaker 1: lived far.

1147
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 2: From outside water coming in.

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01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. Right, And I said, and now then then the

1149
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 1: guy goes, he goes, did your some pump work? And

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01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 1: I said yes, and he goes, oh, And I went, oh,

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01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 1: So what you're saying is if I could commit to

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01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 1: insurance fraud and say my some pump failed, then you

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01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 1: cover the problem, which, of course great. So now we're

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01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:49,959
Speaker 1: encouraging people to lie to insurance adjusters, and of course,

1155
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Speaker 1: which is But this to me, since governments won't act,

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01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 1: the insurance industry is going to act for them. And

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Speaker 1: it feels like, I hate to say, it looks to

1158
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 1: me it's almost as if government leaders are simply waiting

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01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 1: for the insurance industry to put a gun to their

1160
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 1: head before they'll act.

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Speaker 2: I mean, these are one of those issues where it

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01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 2: does take federal action on you know that they'll say, well,

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Speaker 2: the states regulate this. Well, there are no options in

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01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 2: many places in Colorado, and there's going to be fewer

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01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 2: options for insurance coverage. We have people right now in

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01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 2: the mountain communities who are selling their homes because they're

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01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 2: worried they that they're not going to be able to

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01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 2: sell it in the next five years because people can't

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01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 2: actually prove that they can have insurance coverage for their homes.

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Speaker 2: And so, you know, this is this is an urgent

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01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 2: need right now, and this is something that we need

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01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 2: to come together on. The flood insurance program, you know,

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01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 2: has been there's plenty of areas where it's been I

1174
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 2: don't think it's been prioritizing the right things, and we

1175
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 2: can learn from the mistakes, but we need to have

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01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 2: a federal option here.

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Speaker 1: I was just going to say, I mean, what part

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Speaker 1: of this do you think it's fair for the federal government. Essentially,

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Speaker 1: the federal government is probably going to have to figure

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Speaker 1: out how to cover catastrophics something, right, you know, you know.

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Speaker 2: They're disabling FEMA too, so that's great.

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01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, guess what, they'll dismail it until there's an

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01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 1: incident that we just saw in Central Texas. I have

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01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 1: a feeling something everything gets Do you think that that

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01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 1: is a I mean, let me ask you this. Suddenly

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01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 1: the Texas Lieutenant governor is talking about having the Texas

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Speaker 1: legislature pay for warning systems for small communities, something they

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01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 1: would not have done two weeks ago. You hate to

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01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 1: say it takes a it takes a disaster and a

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Speaker 1: tragedy to get sort of people to act. But do

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01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 1: you think that do you think do you expect there

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01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 1: to be a different mindset about this idea of killing

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01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 1: FEMA when you come back to Washington.

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Speaker 2: I mean the fact that we have plenty of tragedies

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01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 2: that have happened in the past to point to on

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01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 2: why FEMA is so critical, and that you know, states

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01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 2: are completely unable to take on the resources necessary for

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Speaker 2: recovery and support, and especially places like Colorado where we

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Speaker 2: balance our budget and we have tabored that limits what

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01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 2: we can actually take in and spend.

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Speaker 1: And for those who don't know Colorado, they think they

1202
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 1: call it the taxpayer. It was this like taxpayer protection

1203
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 1: Bill of Rights, this sort of nonsense initiative process. Don't

1204
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 1: get me started on initiatives. I'm convinced they all should

1205
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 1: be unconstitutional. States have rights, but we are not a democracy.

1206
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 1: We're a republic, so there shouldn't be direct democracy via referenda.

1207
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 1: But that's that's my political science, pat I'm putting on.

1208
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 1: But what they've done to tie the hands of the

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01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 1: of the of of lawmakers in Colorado is absurd, just pure.

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01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:51,560
Speaker 2: I mean, we are the one of the most wealthy states,

1211
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 2: and we unfortunately have have one of the lowest funded

1212
01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 2: school systems, lowest paid teachers in the country. We've crippled

1213
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 2: our ability to invest in our long term success and

1214
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 2: it is because of Tabor, and it is you know,

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Speaker 2: I think Coloradans will always want to vote on if

1216
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 2: you're going to increase taxes, they want to say on it.

1217
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:15,679
Speaker 2: But we should be able when we have increased need

1218
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 2: and increase income revenue that we should actually be able

1219
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:23,759
Speaker 2: to reinvest back in our state and our long term success.

1220
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Speaker 2: And Tabor's caped our ability to do that. But so

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01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:30,679
Speaker 2: where were we though before talking about Tabor?

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Speaker 1: Oh and the taxpayer. I think we were talking about, well,

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01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 1: you're right, I think we both just got way laid

1224
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 1: there about it. We were talking about the insurance industry

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01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:42,879
Speaker 1: and the oh yeah idea of yeah, the catastrophic Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But we have countless examples in Colorado from flooding to

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01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 2: wildfires where we've had to rely on federal funds and

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Speaker 2: and you know, especially Red states are going to be

1229
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 2: in that position where they're not going to be able

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Speaker 2: to take on these costs themselves, and so it is irration.

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01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 2: It means it doesn't make any sense at all. It's

1232
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 2: a moral to dismantle FEMA and leave us in a

1233
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 2: position where we can't take care of each other in

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Speaker 2: times of need.

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Speaker 1: You may not like where I'm going to go with this,

1236
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 1: but I sort of will compare this to Medicaid in

1237
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 1: this respect. Twenty five years ago medicaid, there was not

1238
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 1: a single Republican that would have supported Medicaid. Medicaid was

1239
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:26,920
Speaker 1: considered welfare, right, it was put under the guys of welfare. Now,

1240
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 1: Medicaid is popular, Medicaid is seen. Medicaid is basically catastrophic

1241
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 1: health care coverage for Americans, hard stop right like, and

1242
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 1: I think more people understand how helpful. It is. It

1243
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 1: is the ultimate safety net and there is, which is

1244
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 1: why it's so popular, right, doesn't you know we've all

1245
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 1: had the Our health outcomes are terrific. Now people live

1246
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 1: longer than ever, they outlive their money. Thank goodness for medicaid, right,

1247
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 1: or we wouldn't be able to is. I have a

1248
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:57,639
Speaker 1: feeling that that's where disaster aid will come from at

1249
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:00,960
Speaker 1: some point. Unfortunately it takes life experience for people to

1250
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:04,720
Speaker 1: realize it, but that FEMA becomes sort of baseline catastrophic

1251
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:07,639
Speaker 1: recovery for the for the nation, and that we will

1252
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 1: get there, but it's just going to take time. You're

1253
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 1: shaking here, Well, you're more pessimistic, No.

1254
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 2: I mean I think that, you know, I think we

1255
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 2: have done a bad job at communicating what are our

1256
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 2: tax payer dollars go to and the benefits that people receive,

1257
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:29,719
Speaker 2: and there's so many things that people take for granted.

1258
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:33,759
Speaker 2: And you know, I oftentimes think about what I explained

1259
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 2: to my five year old and I want to like

1260
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 2: put it on a video and you know, bring bring

1261
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 2: voters along with me. But when we're going on I

1262
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:45,080
Speaker 2: seventy coming down from the mountains and he says, wow,

1263
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 2: what is why are there nets on the rocks up there?

1264
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 2: And I said, well, it's because you know, it's to

1265
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 2: make sure that when we're driving we don't have boulders

1266
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 2: following on falling on us and that we're safe. Is

1267
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 2: and that's what our tax payer dollars pay for.

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01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 1: And so that wasn't free, that is free? That was

1269
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 1: it free?

1270
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Speaker 2: Right?

1271
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Speaker 1: Yeah?

1272
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 2: And so it's just all of these things where we

1273
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:09,719
Speaker 2: have taken for granted for far too long, the safety nets,

1274
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 2: the investments that we've made as a country, and not

1275
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 2: connect to the dots with the the taxes that we

1276
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Speaker 2: pay for.

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Speaker 1: They send me the receipt. I mean, remember people have

1278
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 1: talked about this for a long time, right, which is

1279
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 1: what are your tax dollars go for? Send me this

1280
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 1: full receipt, the annual report whatever we call it, one page, right,

1281
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 1: like let people know, hey, this amount of your taxes

1282
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 1: was used for roads in your community, and this amount

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Speaker 1: of taxes was used for healthcare, catastrophic health care for

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Speaker 1: unpaid this this, et cetera, et cetera. I think I

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Speaker 1: do think you know the public. I always say this,

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Speaker 1: I always trust the voters eventually, right, but they just

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Speaker 1: need they need the information, right, they need the information,

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Speaker 1: and sometimes voters it's life experience becomes the information and

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Speaker 1: that's when it, frankly, too many people get harmed. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: before we get there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I agree. And it's devastating to think about

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Speaker 2: the people who are going to be impacted, healthcare being

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Speaker 2: stripped away, these sky rocketing costs for all of us,

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Speaker 2: even in the private insurance market because of uncompensated care.

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Speaker 2: Just all of these things that we have taken for granted,

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Speaker 2: and I mean to be fair, some of it overwhelmingly,

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Speaker 2: Like you said, Medicaid is popular and people understand the

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Speaker 2: benefits of that. But in general, we need to get

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Speaker 2: better at connecting the dots on why we invest in

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Speaker 2: each other, why we invest in our communities. And something

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Speaker 2: that we did in Colorado a bill that I brought

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Speaker 2: to you know, every year we have the right wing

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Speaker 2: comes with some tax scheme to justify their paychecks and

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Speaker 2: brings like a ballot measure to reduce taxes on X,

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Speaker 2: Y and Z, and it always sounds good, and it

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Speaker 2: passes in Colorado, and it continues to chip away at

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Speaker 2: our ability to actually address O chaln lounges. And so

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Speaker 2: I brought a bill to say that if you're going

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Speaker 2: to ask people to decrease their taxes, you actually have

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Speaker 2: to identify the three top areas that are going to

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Speaker 2: be hit in the state budget. And so people now

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Speaker 2: they can't pass these ballot measures because people say, oh.

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Speaker 1: The consequences are now on the balotation and healthcare it's

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Speaker 1: on the ballot measure itself, like, here's the consequences of

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Speaker 1: this tech tx C.

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Speaker 2: Are you going to have these tax cuts? Do you

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Speaker 2: want these tax cuts? Here's where it's going to be impacted.

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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 2: And then also, by the way, we have an income

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Speaker 2: bracket at the bottom that shows how much you would save,

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Speaker 2: because it's always the higher income earners that do so

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Speaker 2: most people's levels like fifty dollars, one hundred dollars, and

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Speaker 2: then they think twice about actually supporting these measures, and

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Speaker 2: they're money able to pass it. So just an example

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Speaker 2: of some positive things that we've done. But I think

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Speaker 2: you're exactly right people. I think at the federal level,

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Speaker 2: and this is something I've wanted to work on, and

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Speaker 2: at the state level, once you pay your taxes, it's

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Speaker 2: thank you for paying your taxes. Here's what it went

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Speaker 2: towards and reminding people.

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Speaker 1: I look, I think there are people on the I

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Speaker 1: think that's a bipartisan idea. I mean, it's one of

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Speaker 1: those things I do think you would you find some

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Speaker 1: bipartisan support. Let me get to immigration, and I know

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Speaker 1: you brought up the issue of migrants, you know, the

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Speaker 1: deportation of folks, and suddenly it's gonna you know, in

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Speaker 1: about six months, people are going to wonder, how come

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Speaker 1: there's no housing in Thetori, how come there's this so

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Speaker 1: expressive right? So what which is also a reminder that

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Speaker 1: we need these workers? So what is it? What is

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Speaker 1: an immigration system that you know, the farming communities in

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Speaker 1: California have had a relationship where there was a where

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Speaker 1: there was legal essentially legal temporary workers that would come in,

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Speaker 1: come in and help.

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Speaker 2: We have that in Colorado.

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Speaker 1: And is this not a functioning system anymore? How would you?

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Speaker 1: Can it be improved?

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Speaker 2: Well, it can absolutely be improved, but it is something

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Speaker 2: that we're doing at least to address the labor gaps here.

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Speaker 2: But this is one of the most frustrating things. And

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Speaker 2: all still want to recognize that as Democrats, we haven't

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Speaker 2: done a good job at communicating what if real immigration

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Speaker 2: policy looks like and reminding people again, not why they

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Speaker 2: You know, you're going to get people like me on

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Speaker 2: why we should care about immigrant communities from a moral standpoint.

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Speaker 2: You're not going to get the overwhelming majority there if

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Speaker 2: you have to bring a message that this is important

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Speaker 2: for you in your life in our economy. And I

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Speaker 2: think that really, no matter what issue you're talking about

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Speaker 2: with voters, it's how is this going to make an

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Speaker 2: impact in your life? And we fail to make to

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Speaker 2: be successful at communicating that message. And Donald Trump has

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Speaker 2: continued to talk about immigrants as being criminals, and you know,

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Speaker 2: just gone back to the most just ridiculous, terrible way

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Speaker 2: to portray immigrants and people that might look differently than you,

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Speaker 2: to blame them for your hardships, when we know that

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Speaker 2: if we actually addressed the immigration challenges in this country,

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Speaker 2: it's the number one thing that we could do to

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Speaker 2: reduce rising costs. And when I talked to Fortune five

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Speaker 2: hundred company CEOs on the Financial Services Committee, that is

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Speaker 2: the thing that they say over and over again, well,

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Speaker 2: guess what we're doing the opposite. We're increasing tariffs and

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Speaker 2: costs on the American people. We're deporting everyone, We're not

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Speaker 2: addressing pathways for people to work here, and we're creating

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Speaker 2: this instability in our economy now, so we're we're doing

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Speaker 2: the opposite of what we need to do to address

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Speaker 2: rising costs and immigrants. You know, there was an article

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Speaker 2: that came out in MPR a few days ago talking

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Speaker 2: about the US population and how many people aren't having

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Speaker 2: kids now and what that means for the future of

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Speaker 2: seniors and social security and our ability to fill jobs.

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Speaker 2: You know, this is about our success now as a

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Speaker 2: country and it is absolutely essential for our long term success.

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Speaker 2: So we can get into some of the immigration policies here,

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Speaker 2: but somebody Democrats are Republicans. Nobody supports keeping convicted criminals

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Speaker 2: here in this country, but they've tried to make the

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Speaker 2: conversation about that.

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Speaker 1: Well, I was just going to say, what was I

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Speaker 1: just had a conversation with Rob Emmanuel for about where

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Speaker 1: he's thinking about. Obviously, he's thinking about running for national

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Speaker 1: office and certainly has a lot of opinions on what

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Speaker 1: the democratic messaging should be. And one of the things

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Speaker 1: he was pretty blunt about is just how Biden blew

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Speaker 1: it in the first two years, didn't understand the concern

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Speaker 1: the country had on immigration at the border, and that's

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Speaker 1: the issue. There's sort of two different issues here that

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Speaker 1: have gotten conflated. Right there's immigration policy and migrant policy,

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Speaker 1: and then there's border security, and obviously it gets conflated.

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Speaker 1: He is admitted. He basically said, hey, Democrats really blew

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Speaker 1: it on the border security front. Do you concur with that?

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Speaker 2: Well, so you're right that there are different policy approaches

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Speaker 2: here for border security and then legal pathways, but they

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Speaker 2: are actually they do impact each other because right now

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Speaker 2: we don't have an immigration system that allows people to

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Speaker 2: apply and come here legally. We have basically cut it

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Speaker 2: off for two decades. We have very limited opportunities for

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Speaker 2: people to work here. We make it nearly impossible, and

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Speaker 2: we also have an outdated asylum process. You know, after

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01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 2: World War Two we had people coming in boats fleeing

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Speaker 2: Nazi Germany and the United States sent them away to

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Speaker 2: their death. And after the war we said, well, we're

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Speaker 2: never going to do this again, and if you show

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01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:57,560
Speaker 2: up our shorts, you're going to get a fair process.

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Speaker 2: And I think that those ideals we can still be

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Speaker 2: that country that cares about the people who are fleeing

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Speaker 2: violence and oppression. But we need to invest in our

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Speaker 2: judicial process so there's quick turnaround and you don't have

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Speaker 2: people waiting for years in our country. And you know,

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01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:16,679
Speaker 2: it really complicates the issues at hand. But we also

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01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 2: need pathways to apply regionally and off of the border.

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Speaker 2: You can't just be forcing everyone to show up at

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Speaker 2: the border. And I often think about, you know, our

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01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 2: outdated and failed policies. It makes it so that everybody

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Speaker 2: it's like a healthcare system that doesn't cover anything except

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Speaker 2: you know, people can only show up at the hospital.

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Speaker 2: So you're getting asylum seekers, you're getting people who want

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Speaker 2: to work in our country. You're getting everybody coming to

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01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 2: the border because that's the only option that regional pathways

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Speaker 2: pull it off of the border. We need to take

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Speaker 2: it out of the hands of the cartels. And we

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01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:56,720
Speaker 2: need to have an immigration system that actually reflects the

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Speaker 2: needs of our economy and that is good for all

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Speaker 2: of us. And so you know, I think there is

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Speaker 2: a winning policy and message here that also treats people

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Speaker 2: with dignity.

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Speaker 1: All right, I want to get you out of here.

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Speaker 1: I got two more questions for you and we get

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Speaker 1: you out of here, and one is about your future.

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01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 1: There is a the senior Senator h is running for governor.

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Speaker 1: I will tell you there's a lot of senators I've

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01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:24,600
Speaker 1: talked to that wish he weren't running for governor, that

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01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:27,000
Speaker 1: wish instead he were running to be the next Senate

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01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:32,080
Speaker 1: Democratic leader. But I think it tells you what kind

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01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:34,439
Speaker 1: of respect people have for Michael Bennett in there. But

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Speaker 1: if Michael Bennett is the next governor, he's got to

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01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:39,160
Speaker 1: he's got a choice to make, he's got to fit,

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01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 1: he's got to fill the remainder of his senatecy. Is

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Speaker 1: that something that would interest.

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Speaker 2: You, Well, First, I've been on Michael's team since the

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01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 2: very beginning. I was actually an organizer for his first campaign,

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01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:57,120
Speaker 2: and I have so much respect for Michael Bennett. I

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01:21:57,200 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 2: understand his frustration right now. You know, look king at

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01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:03,720
Speaker 2: the Senate and how likely it is that will be

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01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:07,000
Speaker 2: in the minority for you know, the near future, and

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01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 2: where he wants to spend the rest of his public

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01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:13,920
Speaker 2: service time. And you know, it's not like being in

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01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:17,040
Speaker 2: Congress in Washington right now is inspiring.

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01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:19,720
Speaker 1: No, I get it too, Governors where it's at right

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01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 1: like that's the best gig and going these days it

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01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:22,960
Speaker 1: seems anyway.

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Speaker 2: But I feel lucky. It means a lot that I

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01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:29,840
Speaker 2: that my name is always out there in terms of,

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Speaker 2: you know, if a vacancy comes up. As a young woman,

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Speaker 2: I am constantly overlooked and underestimated in my entire career.

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Speaker 2: So it's an honor to be in the mix of

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01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:46,840
Speaker 2: people that folks are looking at and would absolutely step

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01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 2: up if I had the opportunity to serve at the

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Speaker 2: statewide level.

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Speaker 1: You brought you brought up the youth issue in general.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that you know there's do you think,

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Speaker 1: well we should look, if we're going to want mandatory

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Speaker 1: age restrictions, you're going to need a constitutional amendment because

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Speaker 1: it's in the constitution right we writ then there's minimums,

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01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:09,920
Speaker 1: which actually doesn't make any sense to me anymore. But

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Speaker 1: either way, if there's a minimum, you probably need amment

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Speaker 1: on maximum. But you would you like to see your

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01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:17,840
Speaker 1: colleagues that are seventy five or older think about not

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01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:19,560
Speaker 1: running for reelection these days?

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Speaker 2: Look, I think that I mean, everybody people have different

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01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:30,160
Speaker 2: experiences with their health and with aging. All of us

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01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:34,280
Speaker 2: have a different path. I don't know if I think

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01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:37,479
Speaker 2: that we should have an age cap necessarily. I think

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01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:41,200
Speaker 2: that you know, in the state legislature, we have term limits.

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Speaker 2: I think that it was too limited because when you

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01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:47,719
Speaker 2: only have eight years to serve, my favorite drafter said

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01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:50,320
Speaker 2: that once you all figure it out, you're termed out.

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01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:52,200
Speaker 2: And what you do is you give all the institutional

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01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:54,560
Speaker 2: knowledge to the lobbyist lobbyists.

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Speaker 1: I find that the part time legis I was my experience.

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Speaker 1: I got to know Ken Gordon in the nineties. I

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Speaker 1: think he's no longer with us, but when he was

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01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:05,920
Speaker 1: a state legislature when he told me how the system worked,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, if more people knew this, they'd never vote

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Speaker 1: for term limits.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think that there could be a balance

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Speaker 2: right where Like you, so, I think eight years is

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01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:20,240
Speaker 2: too little, But I don't know if an arbitrary cap

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Speaker 2: on the age is the way to go either.

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Speaker 1: But a generation is too much. Maybe that's the way

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Speaker 1: I look at it, Like you.

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01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:29,320
Speaker 2: Know, you look at like, you know, eighteen years or

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01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:32,519
Speaker 2: twenty four years, I mean, that is plenty of time

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01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 2: to serve, to to try to get the things done

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01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 2: that you are there to do, and you know, and

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01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:41,320
Speaker 2: then it's time to pass the torch. I know. I

1506
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 2: came after at Parmutter and he is still working, and

1507
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:49,680
Speaker 2: he's busier than ever. So he was he could, he

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01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 2: was still completely capable of doing this job, and he

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01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:55,680
Speaker 2: was very he continues to be very loved that he

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01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:57,720
Speaker 2: came to a point where he said, I believe in

1511
01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 2: passing the torch, and I need to make and it's

1512
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:02,720
Speaker 2: time for me to step aside. And I think that

1513
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:07,200
Speaker 2: that's far too often rare for people to actually willingly

1514
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:09,200
Speaker 2: give up power, and so we should have it check

1515
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:09,439
Speaker 2: on that.

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01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 1: Hey, as somebody who walked before being pushed, I always say,

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01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:15,880
Speaker 1: you want you want to go before your cell by date.

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01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:17,720
Speaker 1: You don't want to be there after your cell by date?

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01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 1: All right? And my last question is this the Denver

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01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 1: Nuggets in a great position, the Colorado Avalanche in a

1521
01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:31,800
Speaker 1: great position, the Denver Broncos new quarterback, new coach. What

1522
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 1: the heck is wrong with the Rockies? What is going

1523
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 1: on here? It is the single I will tell you

1524
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:40,000
Speaker 1: this when I lived out, when I told this before

1525
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 1: that I lived in Boulder for a little while. So

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01:25:46,439 --> 01:25:49,960
Speaker 1: in Boulder is adjacent to Colorado, so I've heard. But

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01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:52,160
Speaker 1: it was in the early days, of course Field. It

1528
01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:53,720
Speaker 1: was the first year. Of course Field is when I

1529
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 1: was out there there is no better venue to watch

1530
01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:59,280
Speaker 1: a baseball game in America. I love Pittsburgh and I

1531
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:01,559
Speaker 1: love Baltimore. To the other two parks people bring up

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01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:04,240
Speaker 1: and there's really as Wrigley. Of course, it's such a

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01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:07,200
Speaker 1: wonderful So I understand the fans keep coming. I get it.

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01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:09,519
Speaker 1: It's the best bar and Lodo right, like, I get

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01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:12,120
Speaker 1: why people still show up. But what is wrong with

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01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:14,679
Speaker 1: the team in the nineties they made an effort? What's

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01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 1: going on?

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01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:18,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just having this conversation with my husband.

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01:26:19,240 --> 01:26:26,479
Speaker 2: You know, my sports are elections, so I'm definitely both mine. Actually,

1540
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:29,800
Speaker 2: ye expert here, but I still enjoy going into a

1541
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:32,960
Speaker 2: Rockies game and you know, having a hot dog. I

1542
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:36,439
Speaker 2: definitely don't stay for the full game. But I don't

1543
01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:39,759
Speaker 2: know what's going on there. But we do have many

1544
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 2: teams to point to who have done been very successful.

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01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:49,840
Speaker 1: Well, I should ask, is it buffs or rams for you? Oh?

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01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:50,320
Speaker 2: I don't know.

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01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:53,280
Speaker 1: Wow, you don't have to take a stand. You don't

1548
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:55,519
Speaker 1: want to take a stand on that one. Huh, Colorado,

1549
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:58,599
Speaker 1: Colorado State. It's not all love for Dion Well.

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01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:02,280
Speaker 2: I was actually yeah there for I went to Calardia

1551
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:05,760
Speaker 2: State University for a couple of years before I transferred

1552
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:10,200
Speaker 2: to Denver because I couldn't get student loans to because

1553
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:14,360
Speaker 2: my parents were behind on taxes. So I do I

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01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:17,320
Speaker 2: would say probably the Rams.

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01:27:18,040 --> 01:27:21,479
Speaker 1: Well, I love four colleins. That's a beautiful little, sneaky

1556
01:27:21,479 --> 01:27:25,880
Speaker 1: community there that's only growing rapidly as well. Hey, Brittany Peterson,

1557
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:27,320
Speaker 1: this was terrific. It was good to get to know you.

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01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:29,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so good to be with you.

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01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:57,200
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me shack up to see you against Team.

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01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:51,559
Speaker 1: So Senator Brittany Peterson. If Michael Bennett's governor, I certainly

1561
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:54,080
Speaker 1: think she made it clear that she I think wants

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01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:57,040
Speaker 1: to be considered for that post. But it does mean

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01:27:57,040 --> 01:27:59,439
Speaker 1: that no matter what, we will have a fairly interesting

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01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:02,720
Speaker 1: if Michael Bennett. Right now, I think he's the overwhelming

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01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:05,080
Speaker 1: favorite to win that governor seat in twenty twenty six.

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01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:09,720
Speaker 1: You should take nothing for granted. He's got one of

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01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:11,840
Speaker 1: the worst things you can be on the ballot in

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01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:14,519
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, is an office holder from Washington, d C.

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01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:17,919
Speaker 1: I'm convinced of that. So while I think that Bennett

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01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:23,680
Speaker 1: is seen quite positively by a majority of Coloradoan's, it

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01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:27,080
Speaker 1: is still a negative. If somebody can capture the right

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01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:30,720
Speaker 1: outsider message, I'm not as convinced that exists in this

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01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:33,320
Speaker 1: form of the Colorado Republican Party, but you never know.

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01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:39,479
Speaker 1: That said, if he does win, I think Britney Peterson

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01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:44,879
Speaker 1: could very well be exactly the type of generational change

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01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:48,240
Speaker 1: that I think Michael Bennett when he was appointed was

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01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:51,280
Speaker 1: seen as when he was appointed by John Heckenlooper way

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01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:55,360
Speaker 1: back when. All right, let's do some questions. A little asked, Chuck.

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01:28:55,640 --> 01:29:01,920
Speaker 1: Ask Chuck comes from Maggie Tafts from one of my

1580
01:29:02,040 --> 01:29:05,599
Speaker 1: favorite towns in Florida, Zephyr Hills, Florida, home of I

1581
01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:08,599
Speaker 1: believe it's better be home for Zephyr Hills drinking water.

1582
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:12,800
Speaker 1: And Maggie asks. Some members of President Trump's cabinet hold

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01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:15,040
Speaker 1: several posts, do they command several salaries as a result?

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01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:19,360
Speaker 1: For instance, the Transportations Secretary get an additional salaries INTERNASA

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01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:22,200
Speaker 1: chief thank you? So the official answer is no, you

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01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:28,599
Speaker 1: only get one salary. Okay. Now, is there expenses? Are

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01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:31,799
Speaker 1: his expenses going to get paid for in some cases

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01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:35,080
Speaker 1: by travel by NASA rather than the Transportation Department? Yes,

1589
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:40,240
Speaker 1: so he himself shouldn't get any benefits out of this.

1590
01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:42,720
Speaker 1: But in theory he could give him access to a

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01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:46,360
Speaker 1: second security detail, access to a second sort of set

1592
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:50,759
Speaker 1: of transportation funds if you will, to use for literally

1593
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:55,360
Speaker 1: not the Transportation Department, but like just travel budget is

1594
01:29:55,439 --> 01:29:58,880
Speaker 1: basically a simpler way of putting it. But no, I

1595
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:01,080
Speaker 1: think the real question is how how long does it

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01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:04,360
Speaker 1: take Trump to to get a NASA ahead of NASA

1597
01:30:04,439 --> 01:30:08,120
Speaker 1: or does he not want one? And is that what

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01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:10,080
Speaker 1: we're going to see here right? I think it's pretty

1599
01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:13,719
Speaker 1: clear there is not going to be you know, Marco Rubio.

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01:30:13,800 --> 01:30:15,360
Speaker 1: As long as he Secretary State, he's going to be

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01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:18,960
Speaker 1: a national security advisor. I don't believe we will see

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01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:22,840
Speaker 1: that part time now at some point, my guess is

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01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 1: he says, you know what, maybe I can't be the

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01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:28,599
Speaker 1: archivist as well of the United States government. Remember he's

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01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:31,600
Speaker 1: got three or four jobs. Really it's three. I know

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01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:35,439
Speaker 1: there's the you know, technically AID as well, but that's

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01:30:35,479 --> 01:30:38,080
Speaker 1: gotten put as part of the State Department. So Secretary

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01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:42,400
Speaker 1: State he's that. But no, there is no extra salary,

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01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:47,040
Speaker 1: but there is potential eligibility for extra per diem and

1610
01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:50,599
Speaker 1: extra sort of expenses, use some expense budget things like that.

1611
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:53,360
Speaker 1: But no, you're not supposed to be able to double dip.

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01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:58,880
Speaker 1: If you will on that front, or you know, there

1613
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:02,960
Speaker 1: would be all sorts of you could almost picture negotiations.

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01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:04,920
Speaker 1: You know, I'll come in, but give me, give me,

1615
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:07,599
Speaker 1: give me, give me two salaries worth, and then I'll

1616
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:10,240
Speaker 1: serve as your as your point man on X, Y

1617
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:15,160
Speaker 1: or Z. All right. Second question, This one comes from

1618
01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:18,639
Speaker 1: Kevin S. From Seattle, Washington. Chuck, I appreciate your long,

1619
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:21,160
Speaker 1: in depth conversations with many interesting guests. I am intrigued

1620
01:31:21,160 --> 01:31:23,160
Speaker 1: by your thoughts about the challenges of a third political

1621
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:25,400
Speaker 1: party emerging in the United States. I think there is

1622
01:31:25,479 --> 01:31:27,920
Speaker 1: one key issue you have not addressed yet. With three

1623
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:30,040
Speaker 1: real candidates for the presidency and the current winner take

1624
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:32,759
Speaker 1: all electoral college mechanism, wouldn't that third party and presidential

1625
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:36,000
Speaker 1: election cause a deadlocked election and a president chosen by

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01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:39,920
Speaker 1: the House of Representatives? Thank you? Yes, that is absolutely

1627
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:43,880
Speaker 1: a problem, and so when we you know, when I

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01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:48,400
Speaker 1: talk about creating the conditions for a third party, Look,

1629
01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:51,439
Speaker 1: the electorate clearly wants more choices. The Democrats and the

1630
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:54,280
Speaker 1: Republicans are not enough choice for this elector hard stop.

1631
01:31:54,840 --> 01:31:59,960
Speaker 1: The problem is the small D Democratic infrastructure is design

1632
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:02,760
Speaker 1: to benefit the two parties and that's it, and to

1633
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:06,240
Speaker 1: benefit just two parties. So there isn't really right. You

1634
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:09,080
Speaker 1: just brought up one easy reason, right, the electoral college.

1635
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:12,800
Speaker 1: If you can create a runoff system of top four

1636
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:15,040
Speaker 1: and then if nobody gets fifty, the next two need

1637
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:20,360
Speaker 1: I think you know, if you created but any of

1638
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:22,600
Speaker 1: this is going to need because the electoral college is

1639
01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:25,880
Speaker 1: in the constitution, most all of this is going to

1640
01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:29,679
Speaker 1: be You're probably going to need a constitutional amendment. Now, look,

1641
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:32,559
Speaker 1: I do think if you double the size of the

1642
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:35,479
Speaker 1: House of Representatives and you had eight hundred plus in

1643
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:38,479
Speaker 1: the House, which I think is a necessary reform. I

1644
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:40,360
Speaker 1: know it's going to be hard to convince many of

1645
01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:43,360
Speaker 1: you that one of our problems in Washington is not

1646
01:32:43,479 --> 01:32:46,240
Speaker 1: enough politicians. But trust me, that is one of our

1647
01:32:46,280 --> 01:32:48,720
Speaker 1: problems in Washington. Is it where the electorate is not

1648
01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:51,400
Speaker 1: well represented in Washington. That's the better way to to

1649
01:32:52,479 --> 01:32:56,960
Speaker 1: say that. But yes, you point out one of the

1650
01:32:56,960 --> 01:33:00,840
Speaker 1: potential flaws that you would then to the House. But

1651
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:03,400
Speaker 1: if you actually had a House that was more representative

1652
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:06,920
Speaker 1: of the electorate, well then then you'd trust the House

1653
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:10,760
Speaker 1: to do its job. You know, I mean, the mechanisms

1654
01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:15,040
Speaker 1: are there for a reason. So if I wouldn't want this,

1655
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:17,600
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want the way we elect the House of

1656
01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:21,160
Speaker 1: Representatives today, which is gerrymanderd and unrepresentative of the electorate.

1657
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:25,000
Speaker 1: But if we have a more representative democracy, one that

1658
01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:28,360
Speaker 1: has one member of Congress performed a thousand people instead

1659
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:30,880
Speaker 1: of parade out of a thousand people, well, then into this

1660
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:34,200
Speaker 1: scenario where nobody gets a majority electoral college, then I

1661
01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:37,720
Speaker 1: would trust the House to be more representative because I

1662
01:33:37,720 --> 01:33:40,400
Speaker 1: think it would be at least representative of the electorate itself,

1663
01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:44,519
Speaker 1: at least closer to being representative the electorate itself as

1664
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:47,679
Speaker 1: it stands now. It is not, and that in itself

1665
01:33:47,800 --> 01:33:52,759
Speaker 1: is one of the problems. And let's all wish ourselves

1666
01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:54,920
Speaker 1: luck in trying to This is why I want to

1667
01:33:54,960 --> 01:33:57,080
Speaker 1: try to find ways to fix the democracy without a

1668
01:33:57,080 --> 01:34:00,040
Speaker 1: constitutional amendment, because I think if you mess with the

1669
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:02,559
Speaker 1: electoral college, you need a constitutional limit. If you want

1670
01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:05,840
Speaker 1: to mess with age limits, you need a constitutional Right now,

1671
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:08,679
Speaker 1: we need better representation for the electorate as a whole.

1672
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:10,880
Speaker 1: There are things that can be done with just simply

1673
01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:14,320
Speaker 1: an active Congress. A simple active Congress to expand the

1674
01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:18,759
Speaker 1: House of Representatives to be more representative of the entire country.

1675
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:21,160
Speaker 1: One for four hundred thousand instead of pre three hundred

1676
01:34:21,160 --> 01:34:24,200
Speaker 1: thousand and population. There would be a massive change in

1677
01:34:24,240 --> 01:34:27,000
Speaker 1: our politics. Trust me, let that sink through and then

1678
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:30,160
Speaker 1: we can start worrying about everything else. All right, final

1679
01:34:30,280 --> 01:34:33,799
Speaker 1: question for this podcast, check, thank you for sharing your podcast.

1680
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:35,960
Speaker 1: This one comes from Doug from Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. By

1681
01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:40,759
Speaker 1: the way, Oklahoma dominating the MLB draft Okay, Eli Willets

1682
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:43,600
Speaker 1: the number one pick for the NATS, Ethan Holiday the

1683
01:34:43,720 --> 01:34:47,920
Speaker 1: number four pick for the Rockies. Both Oklahoma, So you

1684
01:34:47,960 --> 01:34:53,360
Speaker 1: know US Floridians and Georgians, you know, and Texans and

1685
01:34:53,360 --> 01:34:56,040
Speaker 1: folks in Louisiana. I think they dominate baseball. Well, Oklahoma

1686
01:34:56,120 --> 01:34:58,360
Speaker 1: has a thing or two to say so anyway, kudos

1687
01:34:58,520 --> 01:35:02,000
Speaker 1: to the Oklahoma high school folks there are having a

1688
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:04,160
Speaker 1: domic because both of both Ethan Holliday and Eli Well,

1689
01:35:04,160 --> 01:35:07,120
Speaker 1: it's for high school players drafted in the first round.

1690
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:10,479
Speaker 1: All right, Dug. Back to you Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, Chuck,

1691
01:35:10,520 --> 01:35:12,680
Speaker 1: thank you for sharing your podcast. I listened regularly. Enjoy it.

1692
01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:14,960
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts about the bipartist immigration reform bill

1693
01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:17,559
Speaker 1: that was gaining traction during the prior presidential election. It

1694
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:20,120
Speaker 1: was day immigration reform is an issue Congress and the

1695
01:35:20,120 --> 01:35:22,799
Speaker 1: executive branch to address what is the downside our obstacles

1696
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:25,400
Speaker 1: to reviving the bill that Democrats and Republicans at one

1697
01:35:25,439 --> 01:35:27,840
Speaker 1: point reached a compromise on thanks for your insights to

1698
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:31,559
Speaker 1: take care. I'm going to be totally cynical here, nobody,

1699
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:36,840
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think so. The two times that

1700
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:43,000
Speaker 1: we got really close to comprehensive immigration reform, one party

1701
01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:45,400
Speaker 1: backed out because they didn't want to lose the issue politically.

1702
01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:48,519
Speaker 1: In twenty ten, Democrats were really close cutting a deal

1703
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:50,479
Speaker 1: and Tie Graham was willing to do it. It was

1704
01:35:50,479 --> 01:35:54,160
Speaker 1: a Democratic Congress, but they could have gotten something done

1705
01:35:55,479 --> 01:35:58,920
Speaker 1: if they had, you know, dumped the Obamacare was getting

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Speaker 1: very difficult to get through. At the time they dumped

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Speaker 1: cap and trade, they kind of had to politically they

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Speaker 1: just couldn't get enough to do. But immigration was a

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Speaker 1: different story. They could have got. Democrats weren't willing to

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Speaker 1: do both Obamacare and cap and trade, but they would

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Speaker 1: have done that. But there's some evidence that Chuck Schumer

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Speaker 1: and I wrote this in my book. I reported this

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Speaker 1: out of my book The Stranger Barack Obama in the

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Speaker 1: White House. Chuck Schumer didn't want to cut an immigration.

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Speaker 1: He thought immigration was a net positive for the Democrats

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Speaker 1: in twenty ten, and he wanted to do it. He

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01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:33,000
Speaker 1: wasn't interested in doing a deal at the time. He

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Speaker 1: wanted the issue. Of course, fast forward by the time

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Speaker 1: you get to Trump in twenty eighteen, when there was

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Speaker 1: some talk of a deal and something that was potentially

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Speaker 1: you know, pathway to citizenship for the eleven undocumented eleven

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Speaker 1: million undocumented Republicans. They want to lose the issue. They

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Speaker 1: found the issue to be and as long as the

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Speaker 1: issue is seen as potent. Now, look the most recent

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Speaker 1: Gallup poll showing what appears to be I'm not surprised,

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Speaker 1: but it basically at backlash. Right. It turns out, right

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Speaker 1: Americans didn't like the chaos at the border in the

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Speaker 1: Biden first two years, and they don't like the image

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Speaker 1: of massed ice agents coming in and just rounding up

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Speaker 1: brand you know, rounding up anybody that doesn't look like

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Speaker 1: they do. Right, that's the extremes that Americans don't don't like.

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Speaker 1: This Gallup pole showing you know, basically the highest support

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Speaker 1: level for immigration in a decade or or more. I

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01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:26,880
Speaker 1: think shows you that Americans do want to believe in

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Speaker 1: our own myth that we are a nation of immigrants,

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Speaker 1: and I think it is a reality, but it's a

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01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:33,880
Speaker 1: myth and a reality sort of e mergent one. Just

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Speaker 1: because we are a nation of immigrants doesn't mean we

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01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:39,400
Speaker 1: always celebrate being a nation of immigrants. But that recent

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Speaker 1: Gallup pole again came out Friday, I believe to take

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Speaker 1: a look at it in a number of ways, I

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01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:48,760
Speaker 1: think shows you where most Americans are in immigration. They're

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01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:52,600
Speaker 1: not with the where Steven Miller and the right, and

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01:37:52,640 --> 01:37:55,840
Speaker 1: they're not with the open Border's crowd and they left right.

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01:37:56,040 --> 01:37:59,200
Speaker 1: They are somewhere in the middle. They want the country

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01:37:59,200 --> 01:38:02,000
Speaker 1: believes there should be borders, there should there should be

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01:38:02,640 --> 01:38:05,400
Speaker 1: a legal process to come in or not come in.

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Speaker 1: Hard stop that there should be a process, and there

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01:38:09,880 --> 01:38:13,000
Speaker 1: should be Frankly, I think if you asked a bias

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Speaker 1: towards welcoming folks into this country versus a bias towards

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01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:19,040
Speaker 1: not welcoming folks in this country. All right, we're going

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01:38:19,120 --> 01:38:22,760
Speaker 1: to argue about how should the asylum system work? You know,

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01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:25,280
Speaker 1: what should you know, how many border patrol agents should

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Speaker 1: there be, et cetera. But ultimately that's where America is.

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Speaker 1: And maybe maybe after they're done with the political theater

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01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:37,960
Speaker 1: and all of the I mean, just the it, the cosplay,

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Speaker 1: if you will, of Christy Nome, you know, and the

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Speaker 1: and the sort of over the top language that Tom

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01:38:43,240 --> 01:38:47,720
Speaker 1: Holman uses when you know, just let let why don't

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01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:51,920
Speaker 1: you let your actions speak the theater on top of

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01:38:51,960 --> 01:38:54,600
Speaker 1: the theater sometimes makes things even worse for them. I

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01:38:54,640 --> 01:38:57,840
Speaker 1: think politically that the fact that you're seeing already a

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01:38:57,920 --> 01:39:00,840
Speaker 1: sort of you know, a snapback. That's what happened. Now,

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01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:04,840
Speaker 1: what happened was in the first Trump term, Americans did

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01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:08,240
Speaker 1: not like kids in cages. They did not like the tactics.

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01:39:08,640 --> 01:39:14,599
Speaker 1: Democrats miss understood what Americans didn't like. They thought, Americans, oh,

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01:39:14,640 --> 01:39:16,960
Speaker 1: they want more open No, they didn't want open borders either,

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Speaker 1: They just didn't want those tactics used. So I think

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Speaker 1: I would assume this time they understand what the American

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Speaker 1: people are arguing for. And perhaps this time some on

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01:39:26,760 --> 01:39:30,320
Speaker 1: the right we'll see that too at some point that

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01:39:30,520 --> 01:39:32,240
Speaker 1: we're going to sit there and say, hey, the conditions

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01:39:32,240 --> 01:39:35,200
Speaker 1: are great for a deal. You know, I, you know,

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01:39:35,680 --> 01:39:37,719
Speaker 1: I can sit here and always make a political argument

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01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:39,960
Speaker 1: against cutting a deal, but at the end of the day,

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01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:43,960
Speaker 1: this is something that needs to happen because we need

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01:39:43,960 --> 01:39:45,559
Speaker 1: to take This is at the heart of some of

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01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:47,680
Speaker 1: our political polarization. It's at the heart of some of

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Speaker 1: the misinformation that I talked to you about, the myth making,

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01:39:51,400 --> 01:39:55,200
Speaker 1: the narrative building all that sort of thing. I fear

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01:39:55,240 --> 01:39:57,800
Speaker 1: there's too many people invested in the myth making part

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01:39:57,840 --> 01:40:01,080
Speaker 1: of immigration to ever sort of agree to compromise. But

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01:40:01,200 --> 01:40:05,200
Speaker 1: ultimately one is coming. And hey, if Ronald Reagan could

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Speaker 1: do it in the last part of his term, who knows,

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01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:09,040
Speaker 1: maybe Donald Trump can do it in the last part

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Speaker 1: of his second term as well. All Right, I think

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna wrap things up for this episode. By the way,

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Speaker 1: this week, keep an eye on what's going on. You

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01:40:19,800 --> 01:40:21,680
Speaker 1: have Jean mom Donnie's going to be meeting with some

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01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:25,200
Speaker 1: New York City area CEOs, very interested and how that

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01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:29,479
Speaker 1: interaction goes, it'll go. Andrew Cuomo is going to announce

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Speaker 1: that he wants to continue his campaign. Apparently he there's

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Speaker 1: reports that he wants to pledge that whoever's not you know,

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Speaker 1: the non Mom Donnie candidates whoever's not polling in second

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Speaker 1: place or better by September one would agree to drop out.

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Speaker 1: He's referring to Eric essentially Eric Adams and himself. Right,

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01:40:47,520 --> 01:40:50,879
Speaker 1: it's Eric Adams and and Cuomo that are really fighting

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Speaker 1: for the center left spot. Look, I you know, Clombo's

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Speaker 1: to me, got a lot of work to do. He's

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Speaker 1: got to he's got to acknowledge he didn't win the

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Speaker 1: Democratic price because he ran a bad campaign. He gave

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01:41:03,080 --> 01:41:05,160
Speaker 1: voters no reason to vote for him, and he didn't

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Speaker 1: explain why he resigned as governor and why so many

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01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:11,719
Speaker 1: people chose to speak to the state attorney general about

1805
01:41:12,080 --> 01:41:16,599
Speaker 1: his behavior. If he can have some sort of honest

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01:41:16,600 --> 01:41:20,360
Speaker 1: conversation with voters about it, maybe that helps them. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it will. And I you know, again,

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Speaker 1: I have no idea why so many New York City

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Speaker 1: Democrats just looked the other way as everybody was rallying

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Speaker 1: around Cuomo. Made no sense to me. You know, I'm

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Speaker 1: shocked that more national Democrats. Actually, I know this. There

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01:41:36,160 --> 01:41:38,200
Speaker 1: are plenty of national donors that wonder what the hell

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01:41:38,280 --> 01:41:41,720
Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer and Akim Jeffreys, why they weren't minding their

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Speaker 1: own backyard politically, and there's a lot of concern that

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01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:48,559
Speaker 1: if they're not able to mind their own backyard politically,

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01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:52,760
Speaker 1: can you trust them to run the party nationally? And

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Speaker 1: so anyway, New York City is a mess for the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party. It's going to be an interesting week there.

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Speaker 1: I'm fascinated to see how mom Donnie does in front

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Speaker 1: of the CEOs, because look, I think he's got an

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01:42:03,479 --> 01:42:07,320
Speaker 1: opportunity here to broaden his appeal. We just need to

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01:42:07,439 --> 01:42:09,600
Speaker 1: find out whether he's willing to broaden his appeal and

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01:42:09,680 --> 01:42:13,240
Speaker 1: how he does it, and whether CEOs trust him are

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01:42:13,320 --> 01:42:16,679
Speaker 1: interested in listening. We shall sit and with that until

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Speaker 1: we upload again.