1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this the stuff they 9 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. It is the top of 10 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: the week. Tensions are high, especially if you are in 11 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: Eastern Europe. We have an episode cooking on that. But 12 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 1: in the meantime, if you'd like some context that is 13 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: egregiously missing from mainstream media, do check out our past 14 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: episodes on The Great Game on whether the Cold War 15 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: Ended on Alexander Dukan a k A. Russia's New Rasputin, 16 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: or at least that's the name of the episode. He's 17 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 1: kind of an Alex Jones figure for them, but in 18 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: Alex Jones figure, the General's listen to this. You have 19 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: like magical powers? Can you take a bullet and survive? 20 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: You will have to listen to the episode. He sure 21 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: talks like you can' and he he does have an 22 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: occult background, so that I think that's tasty. That's a 23 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: tasty teas there. So today we're not talking about those things, 24 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: but our eyes are very much on them, and we 25 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: depend on you and your fellow conspiracy realists to help 26 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: give us the truth, the unvarnished stuff, no matter how 27 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: ugly it is, So please always feel free to contact us. 28 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 1: Today we are going to talk about corruption. We're gonna 29 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: talk about a shiny new resurrection of EPCOT ideas, and uh, 30 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: we're also going to talk about some fun counter protests 31 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: stuff that touches on another episode we have in development, 32 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: a k. The Freedom Convoy. Thank you to everyone who 33 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: has written very well considered opinions about this, and not 34 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: everybody is of the same mind, which, by the way, 35 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,119 Speaker 1: I think means that we are doing something correctly. So 36 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: with this, let's get to the big ticket item. This 37 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: happens a lot in the world of always cycling news. 38 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: You'll hear a big story that will explode, but then 39 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: it gets subsumed in the noise because another story happens. 40 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 1: So this is a very interesting time for us to 41 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: do strange news. As a lot of news is rightly 42 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: occupied occupied might be the best word there, but rightly 43 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: occupied with the situation Ukraine. So you may not have 44 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:47,119 Speaker 1: heard that there was a massive new leak that hit 45 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 1: the press recently before Daddy Vladdie took over most most 46 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:58,239 Speaker 1: news my coffee. Daddy Laddie. Yeah, that's that's what he 47 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: wants to be called. Apparently he's kind of more of 48 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: a zaddy though you know, he's really got the bucks 49 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: to make these things happen. Is a zaddi? A zaddi 50 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: like a like a daddy warbox like kind of like 51 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: a like an older buff daddy that'll buy you nice things, 52 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: isn't that right? Yeah? Also known as a silver fox. 53 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: I believe in in that in that nomenclature. But yeah 54 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 1: may be sensitive about his age, Daddy Daddy Laddie. Uh, 55 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: but the news should be occupied with this because terrible 56 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 1: things are on the verge of happening, and some terrible 57 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: things have already occurred. That's why you might have missed 58 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: this story that Matt, I know you and I were 59 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: talking about a bit off air. This is something that 60 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: I think will surprise a lot of people. They haven't 61 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: heard about this. But maybe the best way to set 62 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: us up is to say, have you ever thought of 63 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: like opening a Swiss bank account. I'm not there in 64 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: life yet, but I'd like one. No, I'm no, I'm 65 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: not there in life yet either, but it certainly seems 66 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:06,839 Speaker 1: like a real cool flex and check my Swiss bank account. Yeah. Yeah, 67 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: Well a lot of very wealthy people have done that 68 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: over you know, the years, many many decades, because of 69 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: the banking laws in Switzerland. And we've talked about this 70 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: before a couple of different times. We've covered things like 71 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: the Panama papers, the Pandora papers, the HSBC bank and 72 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: what was going on there with money laundering for people 73 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: who make their money with illicit drugs, and you know, 74 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 1: Credit suis unfortunately is riled up in a bunch of 75 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 1: scandals right now. Fortunately unfortunately, I suppose, and this is 76 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 1: just the latest thing. I'll read you the headline from 77 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: The Guardian, which is one of the media outlets that's 78 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: part of a rather large um consortium of media outlets 79 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: that got access to this information have and have been 80 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 1: working on it for some time. The title, if you 81 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: want to search for it, is Revealed Credit sweee Leak, 82 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: Unmasked Criminals, Fraudsters and corrupt politicians. It was written by 83 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: David peg Kalina marktof Martin Trulov, Paul Lewis, and Luke Harding. 84 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: And the story here is that a whistle blower took 85 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 1: a look at some of the banking that's been going 86 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: on there, some of the raw data from accounts over 87 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 1: many years actually, and sent it out to journalists. This 88 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: whistle blower didn't just release it online. It's very much 89 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: in the way that a few whistle blowers in the 90 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: past have leaked information to wiki leaks or some other 91 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: organization as a way to have it vetted by journalists, 92 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: because it's not just bad actor information. In here, we're 93 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: talking about thirty thousand clients of Credit Sweee, some of 94 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: whom are just innocent people who have, you know, a 95 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: lot of wealth and have put it into a bank 96 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: in Switzerland because of the banking laws. Some people, I mean, 97 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,559 Speaker 1: we can argue with some of the morals there or whatever, 98 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: but but objectively innocent people who didn't do anything weird, 99 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: at least that's known. But there are some other clients 100 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 1: that were caught up in that thirty thousand number who 101 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 1: have done some weird things. The euphemism would be high 102 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 1: risk clients. I believe, yes, high risk clients is correct. 103 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: Let me just give you some of the details from 104 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: this Guardian article again you can you should go and 105 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: read it if you have time. If you have access 106 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: to the Guardian, these thirty thousand clients have access to 107 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: or it counts up to over one billion Swiss francs, 108 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: and one Swiss franc equals one point o nine U 109 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: s dollars, So do the math there, go USA. That's 110 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: it's lower than I remember, it's it's better than it was. 111 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: It still adds up to around eighty billion in uh 112 00:06:55,960 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 1: the British pound yield pounds. So I just give you 113 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 1: some of this info. Some of the data goes back 114 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: as far as the nineteen forties, so we're talking like 115 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: post World War two era kind of stuff. Two thirds 116 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: were open since the year two thousand, so about twenty 117 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: two years of some of these things being opened, and 118 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: many of them were opened just in the past decade. 119 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: And just here's surface data, right, surface data. The most 120 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: accounts came from these countries Venezuela, Egypt, Thailand, and Ukraine, 121 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: and all four of these countries have had their fair 122 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:36,119 Speaker 1: share of issues with the elite wealthy moving their money 123 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: outside of the country in which they live. Oh. I mean, 124 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: you could say that about pretty much any country, but 125 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: these four in particular were highlighted by The Guardian as 126 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,559 Speaker 1: having issues with that in the past. As I said, 127 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: the whistleblower who leaked this information sent it over to 128 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: uh Sudois Zeitung, which is German newspaper. We've talked about 129 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: before on this. Often they will get kind of the 130 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: lead on one of these big story. The Guardian is 131 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: also up there is one of the major papers that 132 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: gets these kinds of leaks. Here's a quote from that 133 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: whistle blower. I believe that Swiss banking secrecy laws are immoral. 134 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: The pretext of protecting financial privacy is merely a fig 135 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: leaf covering the shameful role of Swiss banks and collaborators 136 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: of tax evaders. Such a funny metaphor, because the idea 137 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: of a fig leaf is so outdated anyway, as if 138 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: like a penis isn't somehow some horrible thing that should 139 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: be hidden or like, you know what, I just funny 140 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: funny that someone would even use that um like, oh no, 141 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: the immoral genital region. Uh. It is interesting though, I 142 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: think there's some truth to besides, you know, the mismatched 143 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: metaphor there, I guess, or the image why why is 144 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: it so las fair? There? Is it a civil liberties 145 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: thing they've like kind of codified and held up as 146 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: this shining example of how progressive they are the Swiss. 147 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: It goes back to uh, the seventeen hundreds. So there 148 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: can there conspiracy theories who will read that argue it 149 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: goes back much much further. But really, Swiss banking secrecy 150 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: evolved as the genesis of its evolution. UH takes place 151 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: as a way of avoiding the Protestant banking system of 152 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:21,319 Speaker 1: the time. So Catholic kings in France would put their 153 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: money in Geneva so as a tax dodge. Basically it 154 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: was a way not to pay your fair share, and 155 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: it just really took off. So as Delaware like the 156 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: Switzerland of the US, um Delaware, UH, I wouldn't be 157 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: surprised if high value individuals based in Delaware who run 158 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: corporations that are based in Delaware have their money in 159 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: Swiss bank accounts even now they might still but uh, 160 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it's just Delaware being sort 161 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: of a weird tax shelter here in the US. It's 162 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: like a somehow a loophole in a similar way. Yeah, yeah, 163 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: corporations operate differently in Delaware, which was always when do 164 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: an episode on But yes, this um not your spot 165 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: on with some of the some of the concerns here, right, 166 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,959 Speaker 1: because this also makes the banking It makes credit see 167 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 1: look bad. It does. It makes credits we look very 168 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: bad and they're a behemoth when it comes to banking. 169 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: Just on the Swiss banking laws and the culture there. 170 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: I just want to point this out, which the Guardian did. 171 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: If you live in Switzerland, if you're a citizen, you 172 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: cannot learn information about any of this by reading the 173 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: Swiss news because by law they are not allowed to 174 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: cover of anything about a specific client of their banking institutions. 175 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: Because poor people can buy newspapers. Just point out, isn't 176 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 1: it interesting that Switzerland is always considered to be so neutral, 177 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: like you know, we are, we are Switzerland, But isn't 178 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 1: this about the least neutral thing they can do to 179 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: shelter all of these like international criminals and their finances 180 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 1: from the eyes of the law, very neutral to me. 181 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: I think we'll get to it in a second. Um, 182 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: but there is there are some internal mechanisms that Swiss 183 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 1: banks are legally required to do before accepting someone as 184 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:18,119 Speaker 1: a client, so they can keep they'll keep the secrets 185 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: UM with a couple of different caveats, but it is 186 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: on them legally to say, oh, you know, a d 187 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: I mean is a war criminal, so maybe we shouldn't 188 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: let them put But there are also ways that they 189 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: process those things that make it very easy to not 190 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: see stuff you don't want to see. Yeah, I think 191 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: one of the biggest problems here are accounts started by 192 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: people who don't necessarily have any blemishes on their character 193 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: or have done something wrong. They begin the account, it's 194 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: a ton of money just sitting in their bank, which 195 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: allows them to operate at the levels they're allowed that 196 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: they can operate, right because they have so much money 197 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: in the in their bank. Literally. Uh that once once 198 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: something comes out about one of these account holders, it 199 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 1: doesn't help the bank to like raise a flag and say, oh, 200 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: now we've got to get rid of this person's you know, 201 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: twenty four million dollars or whatever. Uh. It just it 202 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: doesn't make sense because the money is just sitting there, 203 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 1: right if nobody knows that it's that person's money and 204 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: it's just sitting in there. It's only helping the bank. 205 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:26,839 Speaker 1: But yeah, Ben, you're you're getting to a lot of 206 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: stuff that's in this Guardian article as well. And I'm 207 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: only citing this one article because it's been it's the 208 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: primary source for this coming out right now, in my opinion, 209 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: and it's branching off with other articles that they're publishing 210 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: right now. So if you want to at least get 211 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: started learning about this, head there. But they do make 212 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: some statements in here about how banking law is changing, 213 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: and it looks like in the future there's going to 214 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: be more changes on the way. Uh it says. Membership 215 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: of the Global exchange system is often cited by Switzerland's 216 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: banking industry at is a turning point. Quote there is 217 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: no longer Swiss bank client confidentiality for clients abroad. So 218 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: a client who lives in the United States but has 219 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: a Swiss bank account, they don't have the same protections 220 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: that someone living in Switzerland has. And that's from the 221 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: Swiss Bankers Association. They say, quote, we are transparent. There's 222 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 1: nothing to hide in Switzerland. Yes there is, you know 223 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:28,719 Speaker 1: there is, uh it says Switzerland's almost ninety year old 224 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: banking secrecy law, however, remains in force and was recently broadened. 225 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: The Tax Justice Network estimates that countries around the world 226 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: collectively lose twenty one billion dollars that's US each year 227 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: in tax revenues because of Switzerland, because the money just 228 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: goes and stays. But that's what I mean, like, I 229 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,839 Speaker 1: would think that would make them persona non grata to 230 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 1: the government, not neutral at all. It's like, yo, you've 231 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: taken all of this money out of the coffers of 232 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: of our of our treasury. I do want to point 233 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 1: out that what they're referencing there in the Guardian is 234 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: the uh Federal Act on Banks and Saving Banks from 235 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 1: nineteen thirty four in Switzerland, so the roots of that 236 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: are in the seventeen hundreds, but the law that is 237 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: still being tinkered with today is from the thirties. Yep, 238 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: oh god, pretty soon we're gonna have to say the 239 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: nineteen thirties, because in the thirties anyway. Yeah, no, you're right, 240 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: you're right. There's a lot of moral quandary here, there is. 241 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: And just quickly to connect this to Ukraine, and when 242 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: we were talking about there's a gentleman named Pavelo Lazrenko 243 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: that you can learn about if you read this article. 244 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: He was the Prime Minister of Ukraine between ninety eight 245 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: and that's around the time when he applied for credit 246 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: Swiss account and oh what was it? Says it was 247 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: valued at eight million francs at the time. It was 248 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: later found that he had apparently, according to Transparency International, 249 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: he apparently looted two hundred million U s dollars from 250 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: the Ukrainian government or at least wealth equaling two million 251 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: dollars um. And he did it by threatening this from 252 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: the Guardian, he did it by threatening to harm businesses 253 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: unless they paid him fifty percent of their profits. And 254 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: his money was still hanging out in there. Oh like 255 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: uh like Putin's deal with the oligarchs, right, I mean, 256 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: that's that's the big rumor, is that the oligarchs who 257 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: were currently parking all that money in London were able 258 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: to you know this for a future episodes. But what 259 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: he did was he you know, went hard on a fue. 260 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: Oligarchs who were getting big for their bridges and the 261 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: rest were like, what do we have to do to survive? 262 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: And he allegedly just told him, yeah, exactly. Come on, 263 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: So look, there's a ton we're here. I think this 264 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: is worth more of our time, guys, just to go 265 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: into some of these details. They're fascinating. In the meantime, 266 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: you listening, please check it out. Look at Credit sweet 267 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: is official response. You can find that. Also in The 268 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: Guardian you can also find an article what is the 269 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: Sweet Secrets leak and why are we publishing it? It's 270 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: a really interesting look at why the Guardians actually doing 271 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: this entire thing. Highly recommend. Oh and also don't forget 272 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: there's a Credit Squeeze banker right now who is on 273 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: trial with the whole cocaine cash thing, and that was happening. 274 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: There's an article in Reuter's about that two days before 275 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: this leak came out on February. Can I just say 276 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: that every time you say credit Sweets, I just think 277 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: you're doing a very area diet high falutin pronunciation of 278 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: the words Swiss. Oh shoot, am I supposed to just 279 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: say Swiss? I always thought I think it's just funny 280 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: because it's spelled differently, um than also just sound. I'm 281 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: sure maybe the Swiss do call themselves the Sweets but 282 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: we say it in an American accident. Just it makes me, 283 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: makes me fills me with joy. Got you good. I'm 284 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 1: glad I could do that. For now, we're gonna leave 285 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: this here. Please do read about it on your own time, 286 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: and we'll cover it further in the future. We'll be 287 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: right back with more strange news. And we're back, um, 288 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: more strange news. This is something of an update to 289 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: a story. I think we've done two updates to thus far, 290 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:34,640 Speaker 1: the trucker convoy blockade anti mask VAX situation there in Canada. Matt, 291 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: you sort of led the charge on this one, kind 292 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: of unpacking what they were all about. What's being done 293 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: about it. There are you know, folks that are trying 294 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: to aid these protesters by funneling them you know, resources 295 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: and cryptocurrency and this that and the other. Is that 296 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 1: about covering map To be very I think Ben led 297 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: the charge on this one, but it led one of 298 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: the charges. You did an update, for sure, Matt, I recall, 299 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 1: but Ben does that. Um. Yeah, I've been I've been 300 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 1: doing some extensive research on this. Again, grateful for everybody 301 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: who's written in, and also very impressed with the caliber 302 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: of conversation, especially the fact that not everybody listening now 303 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 1: agrees on these things. UH, just a quick new this 304 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: Canada has ended the Freedom Convoy in a large part. 305 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 1: They finally did invoked the Emergencies Act about a week ago, 306 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: as we record, to make the trucks move basically correct. 307 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: But but the basic reason for it existing it was about, 308 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: as I laid it out, it was people that were 309 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 1: of a perhaps more right wing leaning. I mean, you know, 310 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:40,479 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean exactly the same thing over there as 311 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: it does over here, but it largely does um political 312 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: sensibility that we're not about vaccines, not about mask mandates 313 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 1: and all that. And they sought to disrupt the supply 314 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: chain in some form and at the very least disrupt 315 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: traffic in downtown Ottawa by pulling their trucks in very 316 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: inconvenient ways. I ventially they formed a ring around the 317 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: city with their trucks attempted to anyway. Yeah, tried to 318 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: block major transportation roots, major major road roots. And they yeah, 319 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: you're correct. It was started by a faction of truckers 320 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 1: who professionally travel across the Canadian US border. UH, in 321 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: response to the mandating of vaccinations for those drivers to 322 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: be clear the majority of truckers at that time and 323 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: now are actually vaccinated. So it's it's not like all 324 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: the trucks in Canada went, but it was a lot 325 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: starts a convoy and is an occupation and a protest. Now, 326 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: wouldn't you say before you get into the store? Obviously 327 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: I'm sorry to Dilly Daly, but um, wouldn't you say 328 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: there is a version of this that could be categorized 329 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 1: as domestic terrorism where it goes beyond just a protest. 330 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: I mean, we did an episode on eco terrorism recently 331 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: and discussed kind of the differences between that and just 332 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,199 Speaker 1: more like basic domestic terrorism. But I know they're not 333 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: blowing anything up, but they are going to such a 334 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: degree to block you know, shipping, hubs and infrastructure kind 335 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: of choke points that you know they are seeking to 336 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:14,360 Speaker 1: do harm to the country from within. It's interesting. I mean, 337 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: the Canadian government did use the Terrorist Financing Act to 338 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: target financial support for the truckers, like people were getting 339 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 1: in trouble for donating to go fund means and stuff. 340 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: So from the opinion or perspective of certain parts of 341 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: the Canadian government, they were treated as terrorists. But if 342 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: you ask people who were supporting the protests, I think 343 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: they would take strong objection to that idea. But but 344 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,679 Speaker 1: what you're saying at least holds true with the perspective 345 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: of the Canadian government. Well that's what I was getting on. 346 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: And uh so, speaking of how supporters of this movement 347 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: see those participating in and how the participants see themselves, UM, 348 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: A lot of the chatter around uh organizing and you know, 349 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: I'm connecting up different people that are involved in those 350 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 1: different drivers. It's not happening over CB radio. It's actually 351 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: happening electronically over something called Zello, which I'm not really 352 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 1: familiar with. I don't know if that's a Canadian thing. 353 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: It seems to me like maybe sort of like a 354 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: WhatsApp type situation or like a Discord kind of where 355 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 1: it's like an audio based kind of group chat where 356 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: different people can be in in the chat. And and 357 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: then also, like we know with Discord, a lot of 358 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 1: those UM addresses are available to the public or can 359 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: be leaked, and all you need you often don't need 360 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 1: any kind of password or anything. You just need the 361 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: uh UM, the r U r L, and then you 362 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: can you can jump in just like we used to 363 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 1: have these spates of zoom bombing, you know, during the 364 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 1: beginning of the pandemic, and a small but highly vocal 365 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: contingent of anti convoy protesters have begun using a piece 366 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: of audio that got a bit of attention in around 367 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 1: sixteen as a meme. You guys, does the does the 368 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: expression ram ranch mean thing to you? M m m hmm, okay, 369 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 1: well ram ranch? And and just this is uh warning here, 370 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: it's anyone listening. A Google of this term is about 371 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: as nsf W as it gets. Um. You can read 372 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: lyrics to the song in a Rolling Stone article, UM 373 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 1: called a porno metal song about gay cowboys disrupting the 374 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: anti VAX trucker convoy by E. J. Dixon. Um. Very 375 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: appropriate last name for this one too. There's a lot 376 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: of content in this song. Just let's just say what 377 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: it leads within the rest of it. I can't even 378 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 1: do it. I can't just there's no way. Um, but 379 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: you can look for yourselves. Um, but don't play the 380 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: audio out a lot of work. And if you're gonna 381 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: read it, I would read it in a in a 382 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: separate tab um that you can maybe like duck out 383 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: of Someone comes to look over your shoulder. UM. It 384 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: starts with this basically the audio of the original version. UM. 385 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 1: It is a kind of cheesy, canned metal track, sort 386 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 1: of like some you know, Randy Rhodes kind of you know, 387 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 1: chugging kind of electric guitar sound. And it's clearly this 388 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 1: dude with this very weird, kind of like old man voice. 389 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if it's put on or what, but 390 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: reciting these lyrics not really in time with the metal 391 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: track at all, just sort of almost it really reminds 392 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: me of some sort of experimental, outsider weirdo psychedelic music. 393 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: But I don't know that wasn't how it was intended. 394 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: But it starts off with the lyrics eighteen naked cowboys 395 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: in the showers at ram Ranch, and it goes on 396 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 1: from there, uh to include some very descriptive, highly uh 397 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: salacious language describing the various scenarios that these eighteen naked 398 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: cowboys and all of their compatriots get into their ram Ranch. UM. 399 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: And that has kind of become the rallying cry for 400 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: a small contingent of anti convoy protesters known as the 401 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: ram Ranch Resistance good alliteration right, hashtag ram Ranch Resistance. 402 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 1: It is a court in rolling Stone, a loosely organized 403 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:57,719 Speaker 1: counter movement to the trucker convoy. Um and they are essentially, 404 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: uh infiltrating these Zello chats and disrupting them by playing 405 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,719 Speaker 1: this song over the over the channels. Um Oh, it's 406 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 1: actually so Zello is actually a push to talk walkie 407 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: talkie app uh So, it's somewhat similar to like clubhouse, 408 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: but it's it's essentially what I said, but apparently it 409 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: does have a walkie talkie element to it. But again, 410 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: all the things I said before hold true. Um So, 411 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,919 Speaker 1: this really stort article quotes Katarina um no last name given, 412 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 1: who's a PhD student there in Ottawa and one of 413 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 1: the leaders of the Triple R let's call it the 414 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 1: ram Ranch Resistance. She asked for her last name to 415 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: be with Hell. She didn't want to be dosed, it 416 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 1: says here in the article. And I can see why. 417 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,919 Speaker 1: Um So she said it started off with some of 418 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 1: these counter protests are just kind of logging into the 419 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 1: Zelo channels and infiltrating them just to kind of monitor 420 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 1: what was going on and just kind of get like 421 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: intel about where they were going to be. Um, what 422 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 1: their intentions were. Just kind of get a sense of 423 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,919 Speaker 1: who the people were that were participating in this this uh, 424 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: this protest um. And she says that over time she 425 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:07,479 Speaker 1: started to realize a lot of the folks on these 426 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 1: channels were using some very homophobic, misogynist, racist, sexists, just 427 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: nasty language very casually and um, she started to realize 428 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: kind of what their intent was. And Uh, they would 429 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 1: refer to themselves as soldiers. They would say that, you know, 430 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: it's very much being sort of presented and I think 431 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: accurately as a Canadian version of like the insurgency that 432 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 1: happened here at the Capitol um in that it's an action. 433 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: It is a you know, and on the ground action 434 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: that's organized um with people who hold these very conservative 435 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: beliefs um and Caterine this to say in the article 436 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 1: quote it's a deeply conservative belief system in filtrating our city. 437 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 1: And so how she described what she and her colleagues 438 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 1: sort of started to get the picture of once they 439 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: were listening to so they decided to just jam up 440 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: these conversations by playing that that song. Uh, and we 441 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 1: played this song, she says, to jam their communication. They'd 442 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: get extremely angry because it's an explicit an l G 443 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: B t Q friendly song. UM. The creator of ram 444 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 1: ranch the original UM. It was put out in UM. 445 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 1: It's a guy by the name of Grant McDonald UM 446 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: and he kind of became a bit of Internet sensation 447 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:30,640 Speaker 1: because of the song when it kind of went viral 448 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: in now it's experience seeing a serious resurgence. You can 449 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 1: find it on Spotify along with some of his other hits, 450 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: him musing he hits very loosely, but he definitely has 451 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 1: some other songs very much in the same vein as 452 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: ram Ranch UM. And he said that he was thrilled 453 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: to see the song trending again and the numbers of 454 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: the play counts going up, you know, on Spotify, because 455 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: he said that the initial the initial um impetus behind 456 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: the song was self of protest that he was trying 457 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 1: to protest against what he saw as misogyny and homophobia 458 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 1: in Nashville, particularly UM the idea of like a gay 459 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 1: cowboy being sort of like, you know, this kind of 460 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 1: shunned concept. Um. He takes about as far as you 461 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,360 Speaker 1: can go, I'll tell you in this song, and it's uh, 462 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 1: it's very interesting and very performance Already when you listen 463 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 1: to it if you, if you choose to listen to it, 464 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: so um yeah, I mean, essentially it's just a very 465 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: elaborate act of trolling, UM, using this uh, this song 466 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 1: to try to push the buttons of of these folks 467 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: that you know have dispersed at this point, um for 468 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: the most part. But at the time, you know, I 469 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: think it was a pretty interesting, uh way of going 470 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: about pissing these folks off. What do you guys think? 471 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: Is this helpful? Is this just riling people up even 472 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: further and making them feel more justified in their actions 473 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: or I find it delightful Personally, I'm a fan of 474 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: protests in general and principle. I think it's important right 475 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: for anybody wherever you live. If you don't have the 476 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:08,120 Speaker 1: ability to protest, then something is wrong. Also, I am 477 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: a huge proponent of culture jamming. I like disrupting routines. 478 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: I like I like countering these expectations and assumptions that 479 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: any people may have. Uh. You know, I make fake 480 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: products and leave them in grocery stores. I'll say it 481 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: because I looked into the laws and there's not really 482 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: a way I can get in trouble for it. I'm 483 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: not breaking the law. I'm just being unnecessarily extra uh, 484 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: and I love giving a gift, you know something, And 485 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: I put this is not food on the label, um, 486 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: but culture jamming, whether you think of Discordian or whether 487 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: you think of you know, protest tactics that can be 488 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: like performance art. There's a reason they happen. It's because 489 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: they work. So if you want to make a counter 490 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: protest song, then absolutely it's the author here clearly was 491 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: not excuse me, the the musician who authored the song 492 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: was clearly not intending it to be maybe a protest 493 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: when they were penning the original song. But obviously they 494 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: support this. It's good for them. I mean, I think 495 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: a million Spotify views gives you, like enough to buy 496 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: some cheese something like that. Yeah, happy meal. Maybe it's 497 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: pretty ridiculous, maybe part of a happy meal, but yeah, 498 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: but like since we walked down the street to throw 499 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: some shade on Spotify there, Um, I think this is 500 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: like a good thing. And also, honestly, think about every 501 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: time in your life someone has effectively influenced you. It 502 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: hasn't been yelling at you. I guarantee you, it hasn't 503 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: really been yelling at you unless they were already already 504 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: had some leverage over you, like a parent or something. 505 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 1: Mix of time. When strangers influence you in a lasting way, 506 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: it's through the use of humor. That's why. That's why 507 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: trolley works. Like if you can get someone to laugh, 508 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: you already have a powerful thing in common with them. 509 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: So that's why I support it. I don't know about you, Matt. 510 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,959 Speaker 1: I'm with you, Man, I'm with you. How about you, Matt, 511 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: h I don't know, um no, no, I agree with 512 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: that stuff. I think I'm falling on the fence of 513 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: being in support of the convoys right too protest, but 514 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: falling out of line when it comes to the tactics, 515 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: simply because they are so potentially damaging, but they are 516 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: so effective in what they're attempting to do, which is 517 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: ultimately just get attention for something, right, to have attention 518 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: placed on some concern when it comes to culture jamming, 519 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: you know, a protest, yeah, I mean everybody should be 520 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: able to protest about anything, including counter protests, for sure. 521 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: But how do you feel about cowboys in the showers 522 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: at ram Ranch on their knees wanting to suck cowboys? 523 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: I'd go for it. That would be a really nice thing. 524 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: I'm sure for all those cowboys, as long as they're consenting. 525 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: I'm with you there to um, And I think it's 526 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: a very clear way of like you said, big culture jamming. 527 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: That's a great, great way of looking at this. And 528 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: by the way, it's the song has has had so 529 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: much popularity over the years that the creator, Graham McDonald 530 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: um he at one point many years ago, was asked 531 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: to make a sequel to it, and at first he 532 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: this great quelor he's like, I don't know, it's sort 533 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: of like asking Pink Floyd to make Dark Side of 534 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: the Moon too, because but then you know, as I mean, obviously, 535 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 1: like George Lucas has made Star Wars two through nine, 536 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: I guess I can make ram Ranch two and that 537 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: To this day, apparently he's recorded over five hundred different 538 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: versions of ram Ranch, including one he recorded just like 539 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: a little while ago, uh, to kind of capitalize on this. 540 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: And I imagine that it references truckers in some way. 541 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: I don't know where to get ahold of that one, 542 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: just the original. Um. But yeah, I like pretty much 543 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: everything about this story. It's called the ram Stop. It's 544 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: like a truck stop, but it's I think that's right. 545 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: I think that's right. Uh, so let us know what 546 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,719 Speaker 1: you think. Uh. And the means that we're gonna take 547 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: a quick break and then move back with some more Also, um, 548 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: this is something we will probably talk about later this week, 549 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: but the Canadian convoy may end up being a little 550 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: more of a precedent than a one time event. Stay tuned. Uh. 551 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: In the meantime, we have returned one last piece of 552 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: strange news. Who is that They're on the horizon at 553 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,239 Speaker 1: the end of this segment. At first it looks like 554 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: two heads peeking up over the curve of the earth, 555 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: but then you see no, it's two circles, and then 556 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: you see the as the creature comes closer. That's right, 557 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: give me a sound effect, Doc, it's the mouse. Disney 558 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: has entered the chat. Oh there's a dark dostle side point. 559 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: I'm your sued, Your su sued again sued. Why does 560 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: Goofy have pants? Why is Pluto treated more like a dog? 561 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 1: There's inequality in the methos of Disney. Obviously, you don't 562 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: have to look past, you know, clips of the band 563 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: Wartime propagand on YouTube, But for millions and millions of people, 564 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: Disney has changed their life for the better. Um, a 565 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 1: lot of folks, I think, for a long time weren't 566 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: aware of the full extent of Disney's heft end power. 567 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: Do check out our episode on the Reedy Creek Improvement District, 568 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: where you'll learn about Celebration Florida. You'll learn about the 569 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 1: origins and controversies surrounding Disney. And of course you could 570 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: argue that any big company, the company that owns us 571 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: as well, at some point gets involved in in ethically 572 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: ethically dodgy things just by the nature of their size. 573 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 1: Going back to Matt's earlier comments in our credit Sweee conversation, Well, 574 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: here's what's happening. Let's assume that you love Disney and 575 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 1: other people say I love Disney too, and you're like, no, 576 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 1: shut your traitorous mouth. You have no idea what it 577 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: is to love Disney. I would live at Disney World 578 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: if I could, And you know, to be fair, several 579 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: well off people have done that. Other people have worried 580 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 1: in Florida and abroad about the extent of Disney's influence 581 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:33,439 Speaker 1: upon its local sphere, both there in California and uh 582 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,760 Speaker 1: and of Florida. Of course, all of these folks, whether 583 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: they're for it or again it. As my old friend 584 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,439 Speaker 1: Scott Benjamin used to say, all of these folks are 585 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: paying attention to the latest news. The Walt Disney Company 586 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: has announced earlier this month that they are going to 587 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: create new planned all Disney communities. The name of these 588 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: communities story Living by Disney, Story Living All one word. 589 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:07,839 Speaker 1: First one being built in Rancho Barrage in the Coachella Valley. Uh. 590 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: This is interesting because Walt himself, Big w used to 591 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: own a home there and he would go on vacations 592 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: in that area. Uh. This also has shades of Epcot 593 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,399 Speaker 1: because if you were called longtime listeners, if he checked 594 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,399 Speaker 1: out our earlier episode on this. Uh, Walt Disney originally 595 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,839 Speaker 1: did not intend Epcot to be an amusement park. He 596 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 1: intended it to be a prototype of World of Tomorrow, 597 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 1: a city that would be the closest people could get to, 598 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 1: something like the Jetsons. And in his defense, I'm on 599 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 1: record not agreeing with some stuff about this guy, But 600 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 1: in his defense, uh, he did have some really cool 601 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,280 Speaker 1: ideas that would have made cities better. Uh. I wanna 602 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 1: share first statement from the chairman of Disney Parks Experiences 603 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:02,959 Speaker 1: and products Josh Tomorrow. Josh says, for nearly one hundred years, 604 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: Disney has shared stories that have touched the hearts and 605 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,800 Speaker 1: minds of people all around the world. As we prepare 606 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 1: to enter our second century, we are developing new and 607 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 1: exciting ways to bring the magic of Disney to people wherever. 608 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 1: They are expanding storytelling, get it, two story living. He 609 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: didn't say, get it. We can't wait to welcome residents 610 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 1: to these beautiful and unique Disney communities where they can 611 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 1: live their lives to the fullest. So many questions, Um, 612 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 1: is it like is it like a theme park? Like 613 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 1: you You you go through and there are there people 614 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 1: there that worked there that dress up as characters and 615 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 1: interact with you. Are there like experiential like magical for 616 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 1: us that you walk to on the way to the 617 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,359 Speaker 1: a MP, Like what are we talking here? Yeah, at 618 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 1: certain events you probably will see that they're going for 619 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: you know plans. Communities, which includes senior living fifty five 620 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 1: years plus also probably have of course love child care 621 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,920 Speaker 1: for still alities. Uh, everybody living there will have a 622 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: club membership which gives you access to what they're calling 623 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:12,759 Speaker 1: curated experiences. So he said, it's voluntary yeah, well this 624 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 1: stuff is always opt in at the beginning, shout out 625 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,800 Speaker 1: sesame credit uh this like oh and shout out um 626 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 1: voice interaction with your local you know, credit card company 627 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 1: or utility company. The world anyway, So Walt Disney had 628 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 1: this vision years and years ago, and the idea of 629 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 1: story telling involving the story living makes sense. But I 630 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 1: think based on just what we've heard, I wanted to 631 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,800 Speaker 1: give Disney side first what they're aiming to do. Based 632 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 1: on what we've just heard so far, do you feel 633 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 1: that there could be some controversies. I don't know. I mean, 634 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 1: to me, it's more just like an optics thing. I'm 635 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:55,880 Speaker 1: in the same way that they're kind of getting some 636 00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 1: low back for their really overpriced uh um Star Wars 637 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 1: hotel that's just like egregiously expensive and clearly designed only 638 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 1: for the super duper has um. That's all I see 639 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,279 Speaker 1: an issue me if you want to people, we know 640 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 1: Disney fanatics, it's a real that's a real segment of 641 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 1: the population, and they oftentimes don't have kids. They are 642 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 1: you know, they're adults who have a lot of disposable 643 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 1: income and you know, choose to spend it on the 644 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,280 Speaker 1: Disney stuff. These Disney experiences, So to me, it seems 645 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 1: like it's for them. Um, and we already know those 646 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 1: people use their money to do exactly what they want 647 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 1: to do. So I don't quite understand where the controversy is. 648 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,319 Speaker 1: Is it more about control, ben about once you're in 649 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 1: this ecosystem, there's like no escape or something. Well, yeah, 650 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,720 Speaker 1: there's some concerns about sandboxing. Of course, there are also 651 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 1: concerns of you know, several several folks wrote to me 652 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 1: raising the specter of the company town. You know. Um, 653 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 1: I mentioned that earlier in the resurgence of that Nevada 654 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 1: is quite a possibility. Um, this is not the quiet. 655 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,400 Speaker 1: This is not quite the same thing. And to be honest, 656 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 1: I feel like I see some controversies with it that 657 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 1: are potential that are down the road. But immediately what 658 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 1: I see is maybe people unfairly picking on adult fans 659 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,440 Speaker 1: of Disney stuff, you know what I mean? Like what 660 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 1: you like, as long as you're not making somebody else 661 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 1: do it. You know, go have fun at the ram ranch, 662 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 1: but don't ask me to go hang out, or don't 663 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 1: get mad what I say no, or like go have 664 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,839 Speaker 1: fun and story living and live there. You know what 665 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 1: I mean, and maybe I'll come visit you, but don't 666 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,359 Speaker 1: get mad at me if I don't want to live there. 667 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,359 Speaker 1: That's your thing. You do your thing. That's the question too, 668 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:47,239 Speaker 1: Is it like, um a prohibitive for visitors like you 669 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 1: have to be part of it, part of that echoes, 670 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,440 Speaker 1: part of their world. Uh, in order to like be 671 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,719 Speaker 1: able to like go hang out? Is there a cost? Like? What? 672 00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 1: What's that structure look like? What are some of your 673 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,640 Speaker 1: other concerns? Your friends? Bring your friends. That's the only 674 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 1: way we can continue here at Story Story Living to 675 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,759 Speaker 1: make more money, we need more money to come in 676 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:14,239 Speaker 1: for the or Shades and Poltergeist. Oh they're welcome. What's 677 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 1: what's that? What's that short story? The lottery? Remember that 678 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,200 Speaker 1: one acts with spoiler alert for like a fifty year 679 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,560 Speaker 1: old story with everyone in the town, the stoning, the 680 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 1: newbi to death. I believe if I'm not mistaken and 681 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,880 Speaker 1: I get I get potential fun dystopian sci fi shades 682 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 1: with that of this whole thing, you know, like it's 683 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,760 Speaker 1: all it seems so perfect and then there it turns 684 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,520 Speaker 1: out you have to sacrifice someone to the mouse, you 685 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 1: know once assaultstice. Can I tell you? Yeah, I hope 686 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,799 Speaker 1: there's no sacrifices in the first phase that you gotta 687 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 1: you know, you gotta get people out the worth of 688 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,000 Speaker 1: the sacrifice. You gotta earn that first sacrifice for real, 689 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,280 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah. The thing that weirds 690 00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,719 Speaker 1: me out, Ben is the concept that just in your 691 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,960 Speaker 1: day of your life, if you did live here in 692 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,800 Speaker 1: this area and you went to all the Disney themed 693 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 1: restaurants that are there, because where you primarily get your food, 694 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:13,319 Speaker 1: there's probably a Disney Kroger kind of situation right where 695 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,359 Speaker 1: you go and you get your groceries. Uh, you're hanging 696 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 1: out with everybody in this Disney world and it's all 697 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 1: run They say on their official website story Living by 698 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,359 Speaker 1: Disney dot Com that it will all be managed by 699 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:29,759 Speaker 1: Disney cast members. So imagine an entire town that just 700 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,600 Speaker 1: has Disney cast members running it, where you're never not 701 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:39,080 Speaker 1: in a Disney experience, and the h o A is 702 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,680 Speaker 1: going to be crazy. Just think of that. Because we again, 703 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,480 Speaker 1: I cannot emphasize this enough. Check out that episode on 704 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:50,000 Speaker 1: Ready Creek. Secondly, imagine growing up as a child. This 705 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,120 Speaker 1: is growing I guess humans all grow up as children, 706 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 1: but like, imagine being born in that place. There's something 707 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,400 Speaker 1: folks are talking about online, and you're associating not just 708 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:06,279 Speaker 1: entertainment but life essentials with one company. Right. They're not 709 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,839 Speaker 1: gonna have a police force necessarily. Uh that's a myth 710 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,799 Speaker 1: by the way about Celebration Florida. They don't technically have 711 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:17,399 Speaker 1: a police force. But uh, these kids are going to 712 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,680 Speaker 1: think of this company doing things that normally your local 713 00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 1: government would do, or they'll associate that like they will 714 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:30,040 Speaker 1: grow up in the sandbox cradle too, hopefully for Disney's 715 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,960 Speaker 1: bottom line. The grave. I mean, do you do you 716 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:37,920 Speaker 1: like go get a physical from Sebastian the Crab, you know, 717 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,319 Speaker 1: I mean, what are we talking? How far does this go? 718 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,080 Speaker 1: I imagine that would probably just be wearing a nice branded, 719 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,960 Speaker 1: clean white Disney you know, lab coat. I'm sure they're 720 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,360 Speaker 1: not actually wearing a costume when they tell you to cough. 721 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,040 Speaker 1: But you know, I've been rewatching the show Big Love recently, 722 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:59,760 Speaker 1: which is about the you know, Mormon polygamists in Utah, 723 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,680 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, one of the important locations in 724 00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,839 Speaker 1: the show is this this compound called Juniper Creek, UM, 725 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,400 Speaker 1: which is where, you know, it's sort of a self 726 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:13,040 Speaker 1: sufficient community, UM where people are allowed to have many 727 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,239 Speaker 1: wives not allowed. I mean, it's like they're targeted by 728 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,520 Speaker 1: the government all the time. But they do have this 729 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,319 Speaker 1: kind of you know, understanding and then and they have 730 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:24,319 Speaker 1: their own way of doing things. And obviously this isn't that, 731 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,680 Speaker 1: but it also does have the same My point is 732 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 1: a lot of the characters that have grown up in there, 733 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,759 Speaker 1: they grow up having not seen anything else or any 734 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,919 Speaker 1: other way of living, or don't even understand someone don't 735 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,600 Speaker 1: know how old they are, uh and and don't understand 736 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,000 Speaker 1: what the government is, you know. So I'm with you there, 737 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:40,640 Speaker 1: but I think it's a very interesting way of looking 738 00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,399 Speaker 1: at it. We'll also consider, you know, the other part 739 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:49,880 Speaker 1: of this goes into conversations about class. You know, Disney 740 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:54,160 Speaker 1: cast members don't make a ton of money, and hopefully 741 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,880 Speaker 1: they won't have to live in a place where they 742 00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,439 Speaker 1: are twenty four hour servants, you know what I mean. 743 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,600 Speaker 1: That's not a life for anybody. That's why, Like, that's 744 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,200 Speaker 1: but that's what it's building in there, Matt, Matt, I 745 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,719 Speaker 1: think you see what I'm saying here, right, Because the 746 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:12,440 Speaker 1: idea is that you if everything comes to you curated 747 00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,960 Speaker 1: or presented by these cast members in your entire experiences this. 748 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:21,400 Speaker 1: Then it goes beyond just you doing like you enjoying 749 00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,400 Speaker 1: a life that you love. There's again nothing wrong with 750 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,959 Speaker 1: that as long as you're not hurting other people. But 751 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,319 Speaker 1: there is an argument to be made that this is 752 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,200 Speaker 1: aiding and abetting some pretty damaging things that people who 753 00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:38,160 Speaker 1: have to work there and pretend to be um, what's 754 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,880 Speaker 1: a what's not super great one? Um? Pretend to be 755 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,160 Speaker 1: Gaston and all the time right, or you're like, you know, 756 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:48,280 Speaker 1: we're just stoked about everything. You're on twenty four hours 757 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,600 Speaker 1: a day. Seriously, are you guys familiar with the place 758 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:56,320 Speaker 1: called Wellington? Wells? Interesting that you bring that up. M 759 00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:01,799 Speaker 1: really is this related to John har We Kellogg? Is this? 760 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,800 Speaker 1: I know? This is from a video game, very cool 761 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,839 Speaker 1: video game in my opinion, titled We Happy Few came 762 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,799 Speaker 1: out years ago, but it it's a place where there's 763 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:17,520 Speaker 1: a chemical there's a forced chemical induced happiness in this place, 764 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:22,359 Speaker 1: and when you're on, when you're taking the drug, everything appears, 765 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,439 Speaker 1: in my opinion, like Disney. You know, it's just everything's great, 766 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,799 Speaker 1: everything's shiny, everything's happy, nothing's bad, nothing bad could ever 767 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,200 Speaker 1: happen here. But if you get off the drugs. You 768 00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,640 Speaker 1: see the reality which is similar to similar to Brave 769 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:41,560 Speaker 1: New World or them that um uh John Carpenter movie 770 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,240 Speaker 1: where like the guys the glasses and ceased through the illusion. 771 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,720 Speaker 1: Everyone's got these creepy like you know, skinless zombie fives. 772 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,480 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, it's called it them they live. 773 00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:55,239 Speaker 1: But but it's it's it's a it's a thing we've 774 00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,440 Speaker 1: seen across fiction. Uh, and it is weird. But it's 775 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,160 Speaker 1: also like they're gonna argue, what's the harm in that? 776 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:05,800 Speaker 1: What's the harm? Matt, what's the harm? And pure happiness. 777 00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,560 Speaker 1: They're in the last days of life, you know, let 778 00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,120 Speaker 1: them have this. What I'm saying, it's what Ben was 779 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,480 Speaker 1: talking about in when there's an uprising of cast members 780 00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:22,120 Speaker 1: and they've taken over the entire city. That's different. Is 781 00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,480 Speaker 1: it that much different though? Than the work these people 782 00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,160 Speaker 1: do at Disney parks, Like I can't imagine it was. 783 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,000 Speaker 1: Is there going to be in shifts? I mean people 784 00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,640 Speaker 1: are gonna you know, it probably will be done through 785 00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,560 Speaker 1: the same ecosystem as far as like the hiring portals 786 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,439 Speaker 1: and all of that stuff that Disney have. I bet 787 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,720 Speaker 1: you they'll move some people around, you know, um borrow 788 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,000 Speaker 1: people from the parks. They're all trained. I guess the 789 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,319 Speaker 1: same way. But then, yeah, you're right, what's you know, 790 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,279 Speaker 1: the needs of a community are a little different than 791 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,560 Speaker 1: the needs of a theme park, aren't they right. The 792 00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:56,200 Speaker 1: earliest precedent, another perhaps more recent precedent, would be Global Oaks, 793 00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,520 Speaker 1: which is a kind of a prototype run for this 794 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,840 Speaker 1: and quite expensive. The entry level there was two million, 795 00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,399 Speaker 1: I think, So this is this is not uh, this 796 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,640 Speaker 1: is not mouse scratch. This is a significant chunk of money. 797 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,720 Speaker 1: The last thing I want to enter into the record 798 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:17,880 Speaker 1: as a controversy being raised the amount of water features 799 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,680 Speaker 1: that will be constructed in a very, very thirsty place. 800 00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:26,400 Speaker 1: California is not the number one hot spot for water 801 00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,239 Speaker 1: wars globally, but it's up there in the US for 802 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,160 Speaker 1: sure because of the extent of agriculture. So people are questioning. 803 00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,319 Speaker 1: People are questioning this on several grounds. I haven't found 804 00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,520 Speaker 1: anything nefarious, And again, I want to be very clear, 805 00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,080 Speaker 1: I'm not intending this conversation as a hit piece for 806 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,839 Speaker 1: people who, you know, if like maybe worked all their 807 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,240 Speaker 1: lives and they want to retire and feel like they're 808 00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,960 Speaker 1: kind of always in, you know, immersed in Disney culture. 809 00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,000 Speaker 1: If that's what you want to do, then that's what 810 00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,719 Speaker 1: you know. What's your money, it's your life. Go be happy. 811 00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,080 Speaker 1: Anybody who tells you that you can't be happy about 812 00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:06,359 Speaker 1: something you're doing if it doesn't hurt other people, they're wrong. There. 813 00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,120 Speaker 1: There's not even a nuance to it. If so like, 814 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,440 Speaker 1: if you like scat and you say I want to 815 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,040 Speaker 1: live on Ska Island and no one's gonna get hurt 816 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,680 Speaker 1: and we don't even have to talk about it, and 817 00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:21,120 Speaker 1: someone's like, oh Scott's BS and you're dumb for living there, 818 00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,799 Speaker 1: Well guess what they're wrong. So I want to be 819 00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:28,000 Speaker 1: clear about that. But there are larger conversations that have 820 00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:33,200 Speaker 1: to happen about the increased privatization of things on multiple 821 00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,440 Speaker 1: levels of society, because that's what this represents to me. 822 00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:41,600 Speaker 1: An increased privatization is a problem some I've railed about extensively. 823 00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,960 Speaker 1: You've heard it on her full episodes in the past. 824 00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,719 Speaker 1: No need to go back again, though, always glad to 825 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,720 Speaker 1: talk about it at this point. You know, maybe we'll 826 00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,799 Speaker 1: maybe we'll take a vacation, you know what I mean. 827 00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,920 Speaker 1: I apologize in advanced to everyone. If I go to 828 00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,399 Speaker 1: an open house at Story Living and I come back 829 00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:02,560 Speaker 1: radicalized and I'm like, I wrong about everything. It's awesome. 830 00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,120 Speaker 1: They have a case a DA station or something. Then 831 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,120 Speaker 1: you know me because I was wrong about it. But 832 00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,160 Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's right to be skeptical at this point. 833 00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,759 Speaker 1: With that, we want to hear your takes. Want to 834 00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:18,200 Speaker 1: hear it takes about culture jamming, counter protesting. We want 835 00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:22,800 Speaker 1: to hear your idea of what, if anything, will shake 836 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,879 Speaker 1: out with this leak from the Swiss banking system. Keep 837 00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,080 Speaker 1: in mind Credit Sweez is the number two bank. It's 838 00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,560 Speaker 1: not the biggest one. The biggest one is UBS. So 839 00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,879 Speaker 1: what do they have up their sleeve? And then let 840 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,520 Speaker 1: us know what you think about the future of living 841 00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:43,280 Speaker 1: in a town that is entirely run by a private entity. 842 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:44,960 Speaker 1: I love to hear your thoughts. We try to be 843 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,640 Speaker 1: easy to find online. That's right, call us and tell 844 00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,880 Speaker 1: us about your new custom Story Living home on ram Island. 845 00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,560 Speaker 1: Our number is one eight three three st d w 846 00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,719 Speaker 1: y t K. When you call in, give yourself a 847 00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,680 Speaker 1: cool nickname. You've got three minutes whatever you'd like. 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