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Speaker 1: Hi am Kate Hudson, and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationships and

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Speaker 1: what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling. Railvalry. No, no, sibling.

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Speaker 1: You don't do that with your mouth, Revelry. That's good, Oliver.

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Speaker 1: This was so much fun. We're just talking about it

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Speaker 1: right now about how great it was to connect with

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Speaker 1: the Crudups and how much we love them, you know,

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Speaker 1: obviously through you, and we hit it off tremendously. A

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Speaker 1: little bit later after almost famous, and we became golf buddies,

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Speaker 1: and then we drifted apart, and it's been a long

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Speaker 1: time and it was so fun to see him again

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Speaker 1: and his energy, and he's so fucking funny. He's so funny.

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Speaker 1: I think it's something people don't really know about Billy

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Speaker 1: that way and portrayed that way, and you know, he

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Speaker 1: is one of the funniest. And you know what, that's

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Speaker 1: one question that we didn't ask them, which I wanted

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Speaker 1: to ask, which is where do you think you get

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Speaker 1: your sense of humor from because they're all funny, and

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Speaker 1: their sense of humor is all the same, very similar,

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Speaker 1: really dry and weitty, and you realize that it has

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Speaker 1: to come from your parents. Whatever that family kind of

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Speaker 1: way is is taken from your because we're all crazy

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Speaker 1: goofy exactly. You know, our sense of humor is a

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Speaker 1: little nutty and out ye out there, very similar in

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Speaker 1: our sense of humor. I mean, we get each other.

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Speaker 1: And you can see that within the three of them too,

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Speaker 1: how tight they are. And I love what they said.

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Speaker 1: I don't this is not verbatim, but it was that

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Speaker 1: they don't need to be with each other to sort

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Speaker 1: of love each other all the time. And that's when

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Speaker 1: you know it's solid, where it's like we don't have

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Speaker 1: to be in each other's spaces or talk on the

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Speaker 1: phone all the time like that, you just feel their closeness. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and this was great. We reminisced a lot. We even

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Speaker 1: talked about a bit about almost Famous, which is really

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Speaker 1: fun for me, and and and and Billy is one

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Speaker 1: of those people that that I've you know, you work

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Speaker 1: with certain people and you lose touch. Billy I've always

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Speaker 1: kept in touch with like we've always had for now

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Speaker 1: twenty years, a connection that maintains. It was really really

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Speaker 1: great to have them all on and yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: awesome and I love you. I love you too. Enjoy

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Speaker 1: this episode with Tommy Brooks and Billy Crue. Billy's never

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Speaker 1: included the family and media. So this at first, where

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Speaker 1: are you guys? Well in New York? I'm in the

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Speaker 1: West Hollywood okay, and then the boy your brothers are

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Speaker 1: both We got New York and I'm on that for

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Speaker 1: West Side. Wow. They were kind of quiet there, like

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Speaker 1: they were an undisclosed location. Yeah, I was like, what's good?

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't ask, I wouldn't ask follow up questions. A

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Speaker 1: few things I can't talk about today. I'm gonna skip clearly. Billy,

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Speaker 1: you and I go way back. I believe I was

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Speaker 1: nineteen when we first met, which is totally insane. How

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Speaker 1: old were you during almost famous thirty? Oh? I think

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Speaker 1: I Oh, thank god we got an interview there. Thanks, thanks,

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Speaker 1: it's real good Tommy. Tommy, I've also known for a

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Speaker 1: million years because you work at Rachel Ray as the

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Speaker 1: uh talent producer, the talent producer. Yes, I'm the co

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Speaker 1: executive producer of the Rachel ratio. Oh, your co executive producer.

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Speaker 1: You're going up there? Really? How many titles I travel? Everyone?

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Speaker 1: Whoa Hey, Billy, Billy, did you show your emmy? Do

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Speaker 1: you you know they haven't sent it? I did get

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Speaker 1: a mini bottle of champagne. It takes like six months, Bill, Okay.

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Speaker 1: But Brooks, we were just sitting here saying and I

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Speaker 1: was literally like, I feel like we met, and we

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Speaker 1: met a million years ago, but we haven't really had

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Speaker 1: the same kind of history. So this is going to

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Speaker 1: be exciting. I'm going to get to know brother Brooks.

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Speaker 1: I'm waiting for my Emmy's help. It's been a few

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Speaker 1: years since. Yeah, I don't know. I keep calling. No,

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Speaker 1: it's because of the postal shutdown. Didn't they let you

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Speaker 1: the number, Thomas. I Also, I also want to say

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Speaker 1: that Billy and I do not condone this mustache. This

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Speaker 1: Billy's had a mustache. Billy does go mustache A loot

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Speaker 1: that took him six months to grow that mustache for

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Speaker 1: golf with the Brooks. Brooks has got the Shakespeare chimbo

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Speaker 1: with the with the homeschooling and Brooklyn, I've lost it.

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Speaker 1: So if I if I fade off into this the railing,

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Speaker 1: I know where you're coming from. Man. But I gotta

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Speaker 1: He kind of looks a little like Sha and he's

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Speaker 1: the writer. Yeah. By the way, that's a great Halloween

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Speaker 1: as a musket musketeer? Yeah, I don't do Shakespeare. Ill

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Speaker 1: plut Shakespeare. One of my sons, Griffin, said, I look

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Speaker 1: like George Washington. I said, get out of the room.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't look like George Washington. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what you're talking about. Tell me your kid's ages.

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Speaker 1: So they no, seven. Yeah that was Griffin, who's seven.

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Speaker 1: He goes, you look, you look just like George Washington.

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Speaker 1: I was like, you're gonna look like uh smash bagel.

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Speaker 1: not calling me George Washington. I pulled up a side

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Speaker 1: by side. He goes, no, you'll logm how's I get

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Speaker 1: out of here a hard year. I'm gonna recover. It's

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Speaker 1: been wrong. When the quarantine started, we used to have

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Speaker 1: a weekly poker game up at Tommy's apartment, and so

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Speaker 1: it quickly moved to zoom and uh, we realized, wait,

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Speaker 1: and it turned into twice a week zoom, where I

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Speaker 1: think I think we became Tommy's uh intimate partners. It's

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Speaker 1: been a mainstay through the whole thing, and it's actually

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Speaker 1: been terrific. Hey, hit me up, hit me up. It's

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Speaker 1: not really poker oli, it's more of a group therapy meeting. Okay.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of yelling, and there's an app that

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Speaker 1: you guys, is just it's just the three of you?

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Speaker 1: Is there any other siblings? Not that we're aware of.

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Speaker 1: We have two stepsisters. They're not married anymore, but we're

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Speaker 1: Where did you? Where'd you guys grow up? Wants to

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Speaker 1: tackle this, Tommy, you start with where you were born.

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Speaker 1: I was born in Chapel Hill while my father was

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Speaker 1: a senior in at UNC, and then six months later

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Speaker 1: we moved to in North Carolina, North Carolina, Sorry, un C.

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Speaker 1: We then moved to New York, where my father sold yarn.

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Speaker 1: of that origin. I don't remember that. I don't remember

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Speaker 1: dad and your mom did they meet in college? Yes? Yes?

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Speaker 1: think mom was a little younger. Okay, I feel like

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Speaker 1: she was twenty four when I was born. Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: would be right, because I'm fifty two now. We shouldn't

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Speaker 1: do math on this podcast. Yeah, well, let me carry

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Speaker 1: the two just you guys, You guys, hold on the second.

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Speaker 1: We'll get back. By the time I was seven, our

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Speaker 1: we moved to Dallas. Then they were divorced a year

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Speaker 1: She's like, I'm so leave. I sold the house yesterday.

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Speaker 1: and then one on this one, Tommy, I think you

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Speaker 1: might not know how many emmys he just held up.

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Speaker 1: That was one. All right. So you guys you're like

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Speaker 1: as a community. Most all of the parents maintained amicable relationships.

424
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: They tried to figure out the co parenting, and we

425
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:12,959
Speaker 1: certainly looked forward to the dad weekends because you know,

426
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: we would cook out or go get pizza. You know,

427
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: he did everything that you would anticipate a divorced father

428
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: doing living in the singles apartment complex, you know, like

429
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: he would wake up on the Saturday morning and go

430
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: get us the best donuts in Dallas, And why wouldn't

431
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: that be a great start through the weekend. So yeah,

432
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: there were there were a lot of a lot of

433
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: fun times, but it was super hard on Mom because

434
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: she had the lion's share, not just of the time,

435
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: but of the work that goes into managing education, healthcare,

436
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: all the decisions. And I'm sure that they talked about

437
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,719
Speaker 1: it some, but again, Dad was pretty unreliable when it

438
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: came to, you know, making appointments and fulfilling them as

439
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: far as I can remember, And Brooks, like, I would

440
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: think that you wouldn't remember life with your parents kind

441
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: of together, you know what I mean. I mean, yeah,

442
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 1: except for when they got remarried, But it seems to

443
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: me like he was always not not there. But but

444
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: I have like memories like you. I mean, this is

445
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: a quasi funny memory. But he took me out of

446
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 1: school to sell these. I guess I was in first grade,

447
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: maybe Brocker Brothers at the at the at some trademark

448
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: and you know in Dallas. Yeah, so so at a

449
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: sandwich board and wearing them and like walking back and

450
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: forth and selling them. And then and he bribed me

451
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: by getting a picture with Spider Man because I loved

452
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: Spider Man. But like, he pulled me out of school

453
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: to sell like umbrellas. So but but I loved it.

454
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: I loved him for it. But also he did drop

455
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: me off and then leave. So to your point, it's

456
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: like I knew I knew back then and I and

457
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: then I remember that conversation of like like you pulled

458
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: them out of school, like what what you know? And

459
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: then you're at the You're at the trademark and I

460
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: had a CD like a heart Salami that I were

461
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: cutting up and I'll say, oh, slam is really good,

462
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: and they're like fighting about selling you know, Rockebrellers that

463
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: you were in your head. I have a picture of me. Wait,

464
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: but I love that. This is like I mean, this

465
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,959
Speaker 1: is like a memory. It's but yeah, it's a memory.

466
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: It's a single one. But it really does to me,

467
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: I speak to the collective experiences that we all had.

468
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: I mean that that to me it was charmed. But

469
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: it takes kind of being an adult to realize how

470
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: bunkers it was. To you're god, like Brooks, is that

471
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: a choice that you would make with Griffin at some point?

472
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a completely different universe. Also to

473
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: the point of like seventies and eighties, we were watching

474
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: ET and we were I was showing Griffin for the

475
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: first time, and you know, d Wall, She's the whole thing.

476
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: The whole story is about basically a divorce and like

477
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: the the the dads in Mexico, uh with and this

478
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: is happening. I'm like, I'm like, oh, this is like

479
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: a little heavy. I mean, you know, but but but

480
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: that was the I guess that was the zeitgeist back

481
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: then to where it was just like, oh, that's that's

482
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: it's just what was happening. And I don't know if

483
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: you guys had the same memory that because we all

484
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: have these examples. But I also at some point just

485
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: found it colorful, and you know, he would say something like,

486
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: you know, this is the big one, Tom. And then

487
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: for a birthday we'd get something out of the newspaper.

488
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: They showed a new suit and he goes, You're getting

489
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: this new suit eventually, and somebody I'm like, no, I'm not,

490
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: but thanks for the thought. I love the thought. Thank you, dad.

491
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: And so we all have those examples through the years.

492
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: Did you ever get the suit if it no, no, no no, no,

493
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: the suit was never coming. For graduation from high school,

494
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: I got a cut out from a magazine of a cruise.

495
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: How was it laminated? Right? But I think that our expectations.

496
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: Our expectation was that we always wanted him to be

497
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: successful for himself. We did, and if we got anything

498
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: out of it, great, but we really just wanted him

499
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: to win. They do well, and the stuff that came

500
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: with it. I just I mean, I loved him so much,

501
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: and I mean, at least you gotta cut out. Yes,

502
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: that's a great he didn't have. He had the desire,

503
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: you know, like he had his He thought it was

504
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: just to be The ability to follow through was so stifled,

505
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: and I think it had to do so much with

506
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: his relationship with his father and kind of pressure that

507
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:59,239
Speaker 1: my grandfather put on him to be successful that the

508
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: only way he was ever going to reach it was

509
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: by hitting something big. He wanted his rock. It sounds

510
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: like Oliver a little bit. I was just about to say,

511
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: it's like Oliver is just looking for hitting that big,

512
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: you know thing. Oh yeah, it might be. I'm a gambler.

513
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: I'm a gambler. I put it on black. Let's see

514
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: what happened. Yeah, you and my dad would have gone

515
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: along so well. Is there a part of your dad

516
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: and each of you did you see one who was

517
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: more dad than not. You know, I was. I was

518
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: in a was in a parking lot at seven eleven

519
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,719
Speaker 1: with my dad and he turned to me and this

520
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: was my sex d talk. He goes, son, the good

521
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: Lord made nothing better than a woman. Oh. I'm like, okay,

522
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go get his slurping now. Thank you. That's great. Yeah,

523
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: I mean when you reflect on it, Tom, someone maybe

524
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: not all of this fun. I haven't read a book

525
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: of the night, but there was a lot there that

526
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: should be like quoted on your wall. I learned so

527
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: much at seven eleven that day. Well, I do I

528
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: do think that there there is there. There are parts

529
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: of him and all of us. Yeah, I mean, obviously

530
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: we're all in entertainment in some aspect. And even my

531
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: dad he he loved it. I mean he loved film,

532
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: he loved television. My mom he loved books. My mom

533
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: loved art and photography and film. And so if it

534
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: weren't for both of them, I don't think that we

535
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: would have all three of us set it up in

536
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: some I mean Kate years ago, Billion Brooks and I

537
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: forget what age, but I was I've been the size

538
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: that I am since I was like fourteen. I grew

539
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: very fast and then stunted and Billion Brooks grew when

540
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: their senior junior year, and I would just lay on

541
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: top of them and just you know, be like, you

542
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: guys suck, I'm in charge. And then they would start

543
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: singing their Broadway songs and Billy would go, Brooks, imagine

544
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: that me on Broadway. And he would go on for

545
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: two hours, just tom. It was the only way to

546
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: get really under his skin. And he would drive me insane.

547
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: And in the background there being a barbars streis and

548
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,280
Speaker 1: album playing, and so there was always music in the house.

549
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: There was always My mom, to her credit, would bring

550
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: us back to New York to look at theater once

551
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: a year or twice a year. Yeah, that was eight years,

552
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: and so we were always inundated with art and it

553
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: was so amazing and so exciting and having music on

554
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: all the time in the house because it was so warm,

555
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: and that's I think that's why we all love it.

556
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, I feel the same. I feel like so

557
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: much of what we what I actually do or that

558
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: makes up some of the principles or the career that

559
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: I've followed has been from mom and just the like

560
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: the regularity of how she raised us and trying to

561
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: be socially aware of being interest student are being interested

562
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: in your community. And Dad, you know, he he brought

563
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: in the Cajun spice and uh, you know, yes, you

564
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 1: should do it, but you should do it with style.

565
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: You know, you should definitely help your community, but make

566
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: sure you're German on the way out, you know, like there,

567
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: I mean he had or you know, go to church,

568
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,720
Speaker 1: but see if you can work an angle and maybe

569
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: get something out of the tithe you know, they're like

570
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 1: he was always looking for a bit of a hustler.

571
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 1: There's no question to me that, Like that's that's that's

572
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: what he was. And Mom's Mom's stability was the thing

573
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: that I thought that I always reflect upon in terms

574
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 1: of like principles of why I think about performing as

575
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: something important, you know, like why I think it's a

576
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: feature of our communal storytelling is a great way for

577
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: us to all bond learn things about ourselves and others.

578
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: And I feel like that comes totally from her. One

579
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: of my favorite pictures of Billy and Mom are at

580
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: the Tony's and Billy Mom is looking up at Billy

581
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: and you can just tell how proud she is and

582
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: how thrilled she was to be there with him. That

583
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: was a little too proud. Well, I mean it's a

584
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: bit over the top. He was very exciting, but I'm

585
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: just saying it. That's you know, she's she's great at

586
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: that he's proud. They were also both very caring people.

587
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 1: They're both very caring people about society and other people,

588
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: and they taught us that as well. I am Billy

589
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: and I have for those who don't know, we have

590
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: sons that were born exactly on the same day and

591
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 1: January seven, two thousand and four, they're going to be seventeen.

592
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: And it's interesting to talk about how you were raised

593
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: because the one thing I do know about you, Billy,

594
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: and I'm going to assume that Brooks you're similar, is

595
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: that you are a stellar parent. Like you know, of

596
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: all of your life's journeys and the things that you've done.

597
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: That is clearly as someone who knows you your priority always.

598
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: It's certain, you know, I feel if you can do

599
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: good enough as a parent, you're doing a stellar job.

600
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 1: And I certainly try to do good enough. But to

601
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: that point, it is on my mind all the time, obviously,

602
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: and some of that must be because of how we

603
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: were raised, you know, Dad's sort of coming in and

604
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:39,919
Speaker 1: out and instability made me want to react to that,

605
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: you know, and try to be as stable as possible

606
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: for for my son. And so I was going to

607
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 1: draw the parallel with Oliver, who relate to that. Yeah entirely.

608
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: I mean you could go, you could go one way

609
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: or the other times to the point where you're like relax, like, yeah, exactly,

610
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 1: go it's okay. You know you don't have all the time.

611
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: You yeah, I've gotten better, but it's it's you get

612
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:09,919
Speaker 1: hyper on it. I mean I went the other way,

613
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,479
Speaker 1: to the extreme of I need to be there all

614
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: the time. You know, I'm going to break this cycle,

615
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: you know, because my dad's dad bailed on him, Dad

616
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: bailed on us. And then I'm like, okay, I'm not

617
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: going to do that. But there was a moment, especially

618
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: when Wilder, my oldest, was in first grade and I

619
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: was working in Nashville, where I was just I felt

620
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: like I was not there, you know, well I actually wasn't,

621
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 1: but I felt like I was. I was damaging him

622
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: in some way, and it fucked me up, and it

623
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: just became this vicious cycle, and I had to sort

624
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: of break out of it because I was just so

625
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,760
Speaker 1: nervous that I was going to, you know, make him listen.

626
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: I mean, Bruce is in the midst of it right now.

627
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: We you know, having kids that are a little bit older,

628
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: you can start to reflect on it. But I certainly

629
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: feel like our generation rightfully is being called to ask

630
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: to do something, particularly uh fathers in parenting that wasn't

631
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: modeled for us, Like the majority of us didn't have

632
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: fathers that we have an expectation to be which leads

633
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,720
Speaker 1: to some confusion and distress. And to your point, Ali,

634
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: like you're obviously going to be projecting and passing that

635
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: on to your kid, even if it's practical or philosophical

636
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: one way or the other. And so if you're not

637
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: reflecting on what your role as a father is in

638
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, you might be might be missing some of

639
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: the like crucial underlying contributing factors. Yeah, I think I

640
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: think I think it did swing. I mean, to both

641
00:39:55,080 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: of your points, almost wait way way to much farther

642
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: to the polar opposite to it, to to where it

643
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,720
Speaker 1: needs to come back, you know, to where. But obviously

644
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: it's obviously that's a good thing. It's like, you know,

645
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: uh that we're we're there, but also realizing that we

646
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: can't be there. You can't be helicopter parents. I don't

647
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:26,880
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648
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 1: see it around the community as well, and it comes

649
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: from a good place, but also it gets really intense

650
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: to where it's like, you know, we will always talk

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Speaker 1: about cliche like we were riding our dirt bikes around

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Speaker 1: in alleys, you know, in Dallas to where no one

653
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: was there. You know, got got you know, thank god,

654
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 1: we're okay, but you know we were. We were latky

655
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: kids for at least five years. That is that does

656
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: not happen anymore. But don't you think it's like what

657
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: you're saying, we're missing some of that, you know. I

658
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: think it needs to come back a little bit. I

659
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: can't because we lose a little independence. You know, the

660
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: kids lose a little independence, They lose that sort of

661
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: on your own aspect, that feeling of let me, I

662
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: have to figure this shit out. I got into a situation,

663
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: no one's here to help me, and now I have

664
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Speaker 1: to get out of it. You know. That's why we

665
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666
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:30,720
Speaker 1: I think it changed our experience. There's really our path.

667
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: There's a really interesting article about what you're saying in

668
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: the Atlantic about about there's like these sort of experimental

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Speaker 1: objects that are actually kind of you know, risk taking

671
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: objects and giving them opportunities to socially interact. And what

672
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: they found was they found that kids created the society.

673
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: It was almost like an a mini society of who

674
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: comes the outcast and why I met interesting article you're

675
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: talking about how what you asked me if I was

676
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:13,600
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677
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:18,520
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678
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,200
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679
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: know that. But but Kate, what you're saying about that park,

680
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: which which is so cool, is that the three of

681
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: us we never had bad friends around us because we

682
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: would weed them out. If it was one of Billy's friends,

683
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684
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: that kid's not cool, Yeah, he's got to go. We

685
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: would try to insulate ourselves with good people. And you

686
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: figure that out pretty young and it does it so

687
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: it builds up your and I mean to the point

688
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Speaker 1: that you're saying, Ali, it is one of the primary

689
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: objections that I feel like is happening amongst parents now,

690
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: is that over parenting somehow is as selfish as the

691
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: underparenting seemed selfish from a different generation, when when it

692
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 1: is a response that's meant to nurture the children and

693
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: hopefully breed strong human beings that are are are self

694
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: sustaining and and have their own sense of agency, and

695
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,959
Speaker 1: who the fuck knows? I mean, the question is going

696
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: We're only going to know if our our experiment at

697
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 1: our parents work once our kids are in their thirties.

698
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: That's so funny time all right, So you guys, so

699
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: you guys now, sorry, Tom, are you watching TV? Because

700
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: we're in the middle of a professional podcast here and

701
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: your eyeline is above the computer I'm looking at that

702
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,120
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703
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:59,520
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704
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Speaker 1: slash sibling. Okay, so Billy goes to Tish Tommy, you

761
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Speaker 1: come along, Brooks. So now what about you? So it's

762
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: just you and mom, No, it's a's Tea and dad

763
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: in Austin, OH. I was in Austin with my dad

764
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Speaker 1: from ninety two to ninety eight and worked for two

765
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: and a half years at a hotel and then went

766
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: to the University of Texas in Austin. Were you lonely?

767
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: Is that your brothers? Well, I would go up and visit. Yeah,

768
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: for a long time, which shoots they which they loved

769
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: My wait bare for like a month. Yeah, come for

770
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: the entire Christmas break. And we had that apartment and

771
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: at the time, both Brooks and I were smoking, and

772
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: so Tommy got all the second hands smoked there. So

773
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: this was a one bedroom apartment. And then Brooks would

774
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: sleep on the couch in my room. I slept on

775
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: the on the single bed, and Billy had a double

776
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: in the other room. And winter we had no heat.

777
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: Two of them became smoking. Disgusting, I realized. Until Billy

778
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: and I were this department for five years. After he

779
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: moved out, I'm like, oh my god, what is going

780
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: on here? Not like shit? And it was all the

781
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,760
Speaker 1: smoke I did to get everything cleaned. And then Brooks

782
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: moved in six months later. Oh no, there was. There

783
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: was at least a few nights when Dad was there

784
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: as well, and he smoked too. Oh god, It's like

785
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: this is like a smoking room in an airport. It

786
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: is exactly like airport, exactly where it's you're partitioned off,

787
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:57,439
Speaker 1: except smaller. The whole family. Mother smokes, everyone smoked except

788
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: for me. I was the only one, but I got

789
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: a lot of it. And then Brooks moved moved up

790
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: to New York after after finishing well Brooks when Brooks

791
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: when the when the boys left, I mean, was that

792
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: a moment for you? Was that it was like, oh, ship,

793
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: I'm I'm alone now? Yeah? Definitely, I mean yeah, I

794
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: mean because I basically kind of had to find I

795
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: think I think I was in Denton, Texas, which is

796
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: outside Dallas at the time. But basically I was like,

797
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: all right, I gotta figure out what I want to do.

798
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: And then I called my dad and uh, he was

799
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: in Austin. I said, I gotta figure out what I

800
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: want to do. He's like all right, He's like, all right,

801
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: what do you mean you want to come here? And

802
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: I was like yeah, he was like, oh god. And

803
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: then but it actually made you guys really close, and

804
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,040
Speaker 1: we were really close. But I mean, like, basically the

805
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 1: I went down there with and within a week I

806
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: had a place to live, a job, and a car

807
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: and they're all awful, but yes, but they were things,

808
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: but they were things. And then my dad and I

809
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 1: grew closed through those years, and then I went to college.

810
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Speaker 1: But were you always writing? Yes, I're writing when I

811
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: was about nineteen or twenty in painting. Yeah, but that

812
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: was that something for you that was like I want

813
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: to be a writer, or or was I just I

814
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: still hate that. I mean, well, I still have a

815
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 1: hard time. I've got him getting easier saying I'm a

816
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: writer slash artist or whatever or but back then it

817
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 1: was very hard for me to say I'm a writer,

818
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: even though I had written a lot of poetry and

819
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: song lyrics, short stories, and then I wrote a script,

820
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: and then I wrote a play and then it kept

821
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: going and it's still going, and you know, Billy and

822
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: I are working on stuff and I'm still working on

823
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: plays and all of that. But I think that I

824
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 1: still do have a lot. I think a lot comes

825
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: with saying, uh, you know, with a megaphone, I'm a writer.

826
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 1: It's like, what does that mean? You know, I'm still

827
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:20,919
Speaker 1: trying to figure that out. But but yes, I think that.

828
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: I mean, we Tommy and we all acted it at

829
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: certain points. I mean, Tommy, did I gave it acting

830
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: well you're what. Wait, I didn't know this and the city. Yeah,

831
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 1: I wasn't an actor. But let me give you a question, Oliver.

832
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Speaker 1: To your point, though, the three of us are all

833
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: very independent but also very close, and I don't I

834
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: can't speak for these two. But I'm great on my owner.

835
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,359
Speaker 1: I'm great with everybody. I mean, I can kind of

836
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: and so I don't know. I think Brooks had his

837
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: writing and other things going on. So I don't think

838
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 1: we miss each other because we all know we're there

839
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: even though we're not together. That's the best. That's the

840
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: best kind of relationship. That's like a good family. I

841
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: hope that's Billy Brooks's experience as well. But I mean

842
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: sometimes that's not how I see it, Tommy. But a

843
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 1: few Thanksgivings where I wish I was in a different partner. Okay, Billy, Billy,

844
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: when did you say I am going to be an actor?

845
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Speaker 1: I mean, clearly forever you wanted to be on Broadway.

846
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Speaker 1: As soon as I could use my voice and speech

847
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: in the way that you just did, I knew a

848
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: trade was mine. Is that the al Jander tignique when

849
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: I was when I was in college. You know what

850
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: I was thinking about Brooks. Actually, when you were talking

851
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: about your time together with Dad too, I did notice

852
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 1: this about Dad. It hung over his head. It hung

853
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 1: over his head that he had not delivered and that

854
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,240
Speaker 1: he felt like he had failed us and failed my mom.

855
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: And you know he he was he was an optimist,

856
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: so he would try not to get dragged down, but

857
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: you could see it come out. And when Brooks was

858
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: in Austin, when he and I would talk, he took

859
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: such great pride in the steadiness with which he had

860
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 1: been a part of Brooks's life, like having lunches and

861
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: stuff and helping define even if it was a crappy

862
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,479
Speaker 1: car or whatever it was. So I think not only

863
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: did it do something for you, Brooks, but I think

864
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 1: it did something enormous for Dad during that period of time. Especially, Yeah,

865
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: and when I was in when I was in college

866
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: in North Carolina. I I was a good student when

867
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: I was in high school and stuff. It was hard

868
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 1: for me to make the transition to college life. My

869
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 1: GPA my first semester of freshman year, I'd be surprised

870
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 1: if it exceeded at two point zero. There were some

871
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: classes that I just kind of forgot about and there

872
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 1: was a couple of classes that I just decided to

873
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,800
Speaker 1: let go without telling anybody about it. And it turns

874
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 1: out that if you get a zero, that brings your

875
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 1: GPA down, So in any case, I started to take

876
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 1: classes that I thought would engage me in some way,

877
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: and many of them were in the communications department because

878
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: I had I had taken this one elect of my

879
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: first year that was called the Oral Interpretation of Prose

880
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: and Poetry by Paul. Paul Ferguson was the teacher, and him, Yeah,

881
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: you loved him TC and you would basically take a

882
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: poem and find a way to perform it well. For

883
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: whatever reason, I could spend a couple of hours the

884
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: night before really working on it, diligently thinking about it,

885
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: considering different performance ideas. I didn't work that hard at

886
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: anything else academically. I mean, I could do the other

887
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 1: things fine, but this was something that engaged me and

888
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: I ended up doing well, and I noticed that my

889
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: GBA started the skyrocket. So I was taking every performance

890
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: class I could possibly take without declaring that I was

891
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: a drama major, because I didn't think anybody who was

892
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: helping to pay for my education would go for a

893
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 1: degree in drama. So the pops exactly because I was

894
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: having lunch every week with my grandfather at that time,

895
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 1: who had become a widow recent do you call it

896
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:29,280
Speaker 1: a widower or widow? Yeah, my daughter. My grandmother died

897
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 1: the day I graduated high school. So as soon as

898
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: I got to college, my grandfather was desperately lonely, and

899
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 1: he said, we're having lunch every day, I mean every week,

900
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, Pops. And he was kind

901
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: of a gruff, tough guy, so they weren't the most

902
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: fun lunches for a while, but we did it every

903
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: week for four and a half years, so we became

904
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: very very close. Tell him about tell him about the money.

905
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: Do you mean the change at the end of the Yeah, well,

906
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: we would go to this place called the rat Scaler.

907
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: I don't know that this is such a stellar story, TC,

908
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: I don't. You may have overproduced this one, but I

909
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: can tell it better. I can tell it better. But

910
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: the key for me, the incentive for me was that

911
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: when he paid for lunch, I would get the change,

912
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: which typically would be somewhere between the fourteen and six

913
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: dollars range, which I could actually really use each time,

914
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 1: and then if I was dating somebody, then Pops would say, well,

915
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: you got to bring her to lunch. And I started

916
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: to realize that that was cutting into my proceeds, so

917
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: I no longer spoke about whether or not I was

918
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 1: dating to it. But it went on for a period

919
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: of time, and he slowly would come and see my performances,

920
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 1: and at first they were kind of avant garde performances

921
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: in the poetry and the speech communications department. And then

922
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: I started to ask the acting teachers if I could

923
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: take the acting classes for majors without being a major.

924
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: And there were a couple of people there, Dde Cravenis

925
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: and Susanna Reinhart who were really supportive. So by the

926
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: time that I had finished Chapel Hill, I had taken

927
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: every performance class that was there, and I didn't know

928
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: what I was qualified for. And I asked them and

929
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: they said, you should go to graduate school. And I thought,

930
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 1: that's what I wanted to do. I want to be

931
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: a teacher. I want to I'll go get my master's

932
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: and I'll be a teacher. And it wasn't until the

933
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: first day of graduate school, when I was sitting in

934
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: the theater with the sixty other students where I realized

935
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:36,439
Speaker 1: that it was I didn't want to teach. I wanted

936
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: to be an actor, but I needed to be around

937
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: people who were as like, serious minded and focused on

938
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: it being a trade and not just something too like.

939
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a lot of people who get

940
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: into the theater department in high school and college who

941
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:00,439
Speaker 1: just want to stick a thumb in the nose of

942
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: or in the eye of like Normis. So it's people

943
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: who feel disenfranchised in some way or another. But that

944
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: to me wasn't a good enough reason to pursue a trade,

945
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 1: and it wasn't really what I liked about it. It

946
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: was reflecting back to our mom earlier. It was this

947
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: storytelling and the community part of it that I really

948
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: identified with it. And we had this woman, Zelda Fitch Handler,

949
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: who was she's a formidable person in the theater American

950
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 1: theater community describe it like that during that first day,

951
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh shit, yeah, that's exactly what

952
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 1: I want to do. And that's when I feel like

953
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:40,959
Speaker 1: I became someone who was in pursuit of an acting

954
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: You're such a theater nerd. I am. I am an

955
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: acting nerd. Exactly. What was your first role on screen?

956
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: It was in Grind. Yeah, that was the late Adrian

957
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 1: Shelley and Paul Show and Amanda Pete and I played

958
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 1: fast Eddie and he was ex khn who liked street

959
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: racing and uh, dangerous love. So check it out. Sounds

960
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: like you now, do you do you remember when we

961
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 1: went and had a drink. We were shooting Almost Famous,

962
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: and we went to the Cornet Theater and I was like,

963
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 1: why do you torture yourself? Like you're a movie star

964
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: and all you do is just like torture yourself as

965
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 1: like the actor, Like you're just like it's like comes

966
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 1: so easier just a star. Do you remember when I

967
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: said that work? And I remember trying to explain you

968
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: need to just relax. I'm like, listen to you. You're

969
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 1: twenty and you are Penny Lane. Okay. I am thirty

970
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: and I can't really play guitar. I'm not Russell Hammond.

971
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 1: If I don't like pressure myself, I am, I'm gonna

972
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: lose it. I'm gonna lose this opportunity. Oh my god.

973
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 1: One of my mustag that says it all. It's true.

974
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:05,439
Speaker 1: I was. I was tortured. I mean the entire time,

975
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 1: so tortured. But it's true, like acting for Billy has

976
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 1: always been a serious job and it's it's and and

977
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 1: by the way, what you're saying is right. You know

978
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 1: I feel that way too, even though I have a

979
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: different relationship to it. The point is to make something

980
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 1: feel effortless. But you know it can be seen differently.

981
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: When someone's watching an effortless performance, it's not to be

982
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 1: confused with it. It's taking no effort. In fact, it's

983
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 1: the opposite. That's the point. For three years when Billy

984
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: was at Tish, he brought it home with him and

985
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: so I was tortured for three years of the Alexander

986
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 1: technique and one other other ship. He's picking up my

987
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: vocal warm ups. Oh my gosh, Billy, that's like, that's

988
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 1: like I mean, like no, I was like, I was like,

989
01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:00,880
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990
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:04,000
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991
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 1: And then you know, Tommy uh would come home and

992
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:09,760
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993
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,080
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994
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 1: trying to understand anatomy. So because That's one of the

995
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:23,439
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996
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:30,640
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997
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:42,840
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1045
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 1: they're not there yet, Kate, No, come on, I'm serious,

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01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:31,920
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1047
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,960
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01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:43,680
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1051
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 1: This just this must be conversation. But you cut out Ali,

1052
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 1: I couldn't and that's probably your microphone. How far are

1053
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Speaker 1: you along on the ego? You getting closer. Yeah, so far,

1054
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Speaker 1: so far. I'm at. I'll tell you it's funny. I

1055
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1056
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 1: everything he did, even if he was directing the episode

1057
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 1: at and I would go down and see this experimental shit.

1058
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 1: It was horrible, but Billy always stood out. But I

1059
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 1: started knowing the end of his second year and then

1060
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 1: his third year, agents were starting to come after the

1061
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 1: show to stand outside and talk to him. And he's

1062
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 1: still with Simon Halls after all these years. And that

1063
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 1: was nineteen yeah, when Arcadia. Yeah, and so I started

1064
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 1: meeting these people and they were interested in him, and

1065
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, I mean he's really talented. Like, was

1066
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 1: there a moment when you saw him, whether it was

1067
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 1: on film or on stage? I mean other than standing

1068
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 1: out or Arcadian Arcadia? Well, for me, Arcadia definitely too.

1069
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 1: But with you, you flew me out when you're filming

1070
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 1: without Limits and to see him transform into Steve Prefontaine

1071
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 1: and then do research on the runner. Look look at

1072
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 1: the actual UH coaches and teachers that were watching him

1073
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 1: replicate the not not only the performance of the of

1074
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 1: the race, but the cadence, the the basically dividing Steve

1075
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 1: and I was I watched so many scenes and I

1076
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 1: watched them watch him, and I was like, this is yeah,

1077
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 1: he's definitely that movie. Yeah, he's tapping into something or

1078
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 1: or or or seeing like seeing seeing seeing the engine

1079
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 1: started to turn and seeing how And also to your

1080
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 1: point to where you do you you don't realize because

1081
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 1: it's it does seem effortless and and so and a

1082
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 1: lot of your scenes and almost famous to where it's like,

1083
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 1: oh that just seems you know, effortless. It's like it's

1084
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 1: it's not, well, hey, well know for sure because the

1085
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 1: two of us, I'm sure we're arguing about it before.

1086
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 1: She was like, Billy, would you please just do it?

1087
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 1: And I'd be like no, because Cameron, I don't understand

1088
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:33,680
Speaker 1: the uh that you have, like both of them, we're

1089
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:38,560
Speaker 1: just going to the ice room. Oh my god. That

1090
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 1: was like we talked about that for hours. And the

1091
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:45,640
Speaker 1: truth is at that time, Cameron he could buy that

1092
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 1: much time. And Cameron was interested in nuance and stuff,

1093
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:51,720
Speaker 1: and like he really championed whoever, like whatever kind of

1094
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 1: actor you were, he championed it. He tried to find

1095
01:08:55,760 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 1: a way into your style of working so that he

1096
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 1: could be a part of that collaboration. Yeah, and like

1097
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 1: every nuance, I felt that and well, and I would

1098
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 1: never deliver like I would do stuff too, which is

1099
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 1: so funny because the kind of actor you are, like, like,

1100
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:16,680
Speaker 1: there was a time when it was coverage on Billy right,

1101
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 1: and we were shooting the scene where I say or

1102
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 1: where I say, uh, you know, how old are you?

1103
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:25,240
Speaker 1: How old are we? Really? And then Billy comes up

1104
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 1: and we shake hands, but the coverage was first on him,

1105
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 1: and Cameron played a song as he did while we're shooting.

1106
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 1: Billy comes over and he goes, oh, Penny Lane, and

1107
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 1: he puts his hand down and Cameron put a song

1108
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 1: on and I it's the camera's not even on me,

1109
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 1: and I'm bawling, and I'm like I'm and I'm just

1110
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 1: bawling my eyes out, and Billy's like looking at me,

1111
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:55,760
Speaker 1: like what is happening? You? Just like you through you

1112
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 1: and Cameron you know, And yeah, it was about it, yeah,

1113
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:03,240
Speaker 1: but it was but it was amazing. Yeah, you got

1114
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 1: out of your head though, you got out of your

1115
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:14,799
Speaker 1: head and neat pray love, but Olly, that just shows

1116
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 1: the depth of your devotion to me that you have

1117
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:21,799
Speaker 1: gone that key and went through all your favorite episodes

1118
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:24,560
Speaker 1: of all your movies. He was just googling while you

1119
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 1: were watching golf, Tommy, he was googling like that. In

1120
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 1: real life, if he if he orders a toaster, he

1121
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 1: reads the manual back and forth. I just plug it

1122
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 1: in and hope it works. Billy's like, I can troubleshoot,

1123
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 1: I can fix it. So in real life it's like

1124
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 1: he's doing the acting thing, and so he wants to

1125
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 1: know all the knowledge. I'm like, just plug it in,

1126
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:49,640
Speaker 1: see if it works. But then what Tommy does when

1127
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:51,639
Speaker 1: it doesn't work is he throws it out the window

1128
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 1: and it hits somebody on the head when I come in,

1129
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 1: and I could say, listen, man, all you needed to

1130
01:10:56,080 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 1: do was take the plastic safety guard off the windows

1131
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 1: not big enough to get out. So Tommy, when Billy

1132
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:07,560
Speaker 1: is on the Rachel ratio, do you just go with

1133
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 1: the normal he's a guest, or do you I saw

1134
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 1: Rachel to like throw Billy off center. I don't really know.

1135
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:16,880
Speaker 1: I don't really get involved in that. I'm usually after

1136
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 1: there to take a picture with Rachel and my mother

1137
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:21,759
Speaker 1: and Billy. But one year and by the way, Billy's

1138
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 1: been coming on since Rosie O'Donnell, so he's been off.

1139
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 1: Explain what that means, CC, since you were working at

1140
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 1: I was. I was a book at Rosie after I

1141
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 1: left MGM, and I would book Billy and then you'd

1142
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 1: be like, you have to go out there with him,

1143
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 1: So I'd have to go sit out there. And one

1144
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:40,760
Speaker 1: time I was plugging a short film that I did,

1145
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:44,639
Speaker 1: which this is why my acting career didn't take off.

1146
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:47,240
Speaker 1: But before that short film started, I went to Billy

1147
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 1: and I said, hey, man, you know I'm doing this

1148
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:52,120
Speaker 1: short film. I'm the lead. It's a million dollars. They're

1149
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:55,560
Speaker 1: shooting in technicolor. Any advice, He goes, No, I go

1150
01:11:55,960 --> 01:12:01,479
Speaker 1: what he goes, you didn't study taking. I was like, hey, motherfucker,

1151
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 1: I'm eighty thousand dollars in debt from three years in

1152
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 1: graduate school. Do you think you're just gonna hop on

1153
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 1: the bandwagon and we're taking from real actors? Yeah? Yeah,

1154
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:14,639
Speaker 1: why don't you go ahead and take some classes? Exactly?

1155
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 1: That's how I feel. But so one time at Rachel

1156
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:25,839
Speaker 1: Billy was promoting. He was promoting watching the movie Watchman,

1157
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 1: Oh God. And so my friend Shane, who was one

1158
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 1: of the producers on the show decided to dress me

1159
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 1: up as the Watchman Doctor Manhattan TC is documentary document Hadden,

1160
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 1: which is a correct and he's ripped and he looks good.

1161
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:45,439
Speaker 1: I'm not ripped. They had to paint in stomach things

1162
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 1: for me and fake abs, so we were we were

1163
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 1: an hour later stomach than I was being painted, and

1164
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 1: Billy told the producer I need to leave now because

1165
01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 1: I have a radio with fore downtown. No, no, no,

1166
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 1: they kept us waiting. I got I got Patrick and

1167
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Dean Morgan to come on the show with me,

1168
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:08,679
Speaker 1: and they kept us waiting, and they kept saying, oh, sorry,

1169
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 1: it's just gonna be another five minutes, just me, and

1170
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 1: it was like forty minutes, and at which point I

1171
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 1: turned to Simon. I was like, or whoever it was

1172
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:16,760
Speaker 1: with me at the time, and I said, you know,

1173
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:19,040
Speaker 1: I can't keep these guys waiting any longer. I don't

1174
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 1: know what Rachel is doing. It wasn't Rachel. They were

1175
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 1: painting Tommy. They were painting Tommy blue, giving him like

1176
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 1: a just so he could come out for this one

1177
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 1: day they stepped me out there and Billy's face, both

1178
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:37,759
Speaker 1: Patrick Wilson and Jeffrey Dean were both crying, laughing. Billy

1179
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:41,600
Speaker 1: as white as a ghosts. I was mortified for the

1180
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 1: entire crude up lineage. After that show aired, I didn't

1181
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 1: date for six months because no one really God, oh

1182
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 1: my god. Yeah, he had ripped stomach things. And by

1183
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:02,680
Speaker 1: the way, Billy start to come on. I booked the

1184
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:07,000
Speaker 1: three of you. Thank you. One word to describe each

1185
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 1: of your brothers, Tommy, Tommy, oh so sorry sorry A

1186
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:21,639
Speaker 1: diligent for Billy and thoughtful for Brooks. Billy, that's good

1187
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 1: for Tommy, Uh, loyal and uh for Brooks. Thoughtful is

1188
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:32,600
Speaker 1: a good one. Uh Tommy, Tommy, I'd say thoughtful for

1189
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 1: you because the cards Billy m introspective. I mean, I

1190
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:54,680
Speaker 1: accept that, but that was a thing in Tommy Jackass

1191
01:14:55,320 --> 01:15:11,320
Speaker 1: Brooks first celebrity crush Tommy Steal Award. Oh. He was

1192
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 1: shooting moving New York and I walked by her trailer

1193
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:16,599
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh My, in your life pretty much?

1194
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:21,519
Speaker 1: I mean maybe maybe Cinderella. I don't know what about

1195
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:24,719
Speaker 1: you because I'm spacing on her name and I feel

1196
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:34,759
Speaker 1: terrible about it. No, it was a karate kid shoe. Yes.

1197
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:43,560
Speaker 1: Adventures of babysitting. Yeah, you have to be Rebecca the

1198
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 1: Mornays business in risky business. Rebecca de Mornay was Oh

1199
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 1: my god, yeah, And that was Tommy. I hadn't experienced

1200
01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 1: one time. And this must have been just after Almost Famous,

1201
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:02,640
Speaker 1: because I had never been recognized. Nobody ever gave me,

1202
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 1: you know, ask me questions about acting or whatever. We did.

1203
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:08,400
Speaker 1: We happen to be playing golf shortly after Almost Famous,

1204
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 1: and the guy who was our caddie, he kept asking

1205
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 1: me questions. He was like really obsessed with the fact

1206
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 1: that I was an actor and that he had seen

1207
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 1: something I was in and to the point. And if

1208
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:23,800
Speaker 1: you play golf, you know that it's like a four

1209
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 1: to six hour round that you're spending time. It got

1210
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:29,720
Speaker 1: to about the sixteenth or seventeenth hole and I come

1211
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:32,560
Speaker 1: out of a sand trap and all Tommy and my

1212
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:35,879
Speaker 1: friend see is me yell? No, I don't know Rebecca

1213
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:47,560
Speaker 1: the morning did you mention me? She didn't because I

1214
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:49,880
Speaker 1: don't know her. Brooks Okay, how many times did they

1215
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 1: tell you I don't know her. I would have hooked

1216
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:55,400
Speaker 1: it with her, Billy Billy. That brings me to also, like,

1217
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:57,760
Speaker 1: how many times are you in a store and like

1218
01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:00,360
Speaker 1: tiny Dancer comes on and just people just of like,

1219
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:03,720
Speaker 1: look at you like that. You get it more than

1220
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 1: I do. I mean, the best story about this is

1221
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:07,920
Speaker 1: Billy and I were in New Jersey at an m

1222
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 1: M A fight and it's all huge guys, tattoos. We

1223
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:13,320
Speaker 1: take a train back to the city. Billy's got his

1224
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:16,080
Speaker 1: hat down. Somebody recognized him on the train and they

1225
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:23,720
Speaker 1: serenade us with that tiny Dancer. No, that's amazing. I

1226
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:27,840
Speaker 1: never had that experience. Okay, which brother? Okay, which brother

1227
01:17:29,240 --> 01:17:35,040
Speaker 1: has like the weirdest habits? No, Brooks, I feel like

1228
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:41,519
Speaker 1: it should be Brooks. Yeah, definitely Brooks. I just look

1229
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:44,679
Speaker 1: at the headset. You you guys start with the mustache,

1230
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:51,599
Speaker 1: the headset. I didn't want to do anything. I didn't

1231
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 1: want to say anything. That just set. No, my kids

1232
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:57,200
Speaker 1: have been yelling the whole time. If I hadn't had

1233
01:17:57,240 --> 01:18:01,920
Speaker 1: this on, I could not hear anything. Okay, day long.

1234
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:04,840
Speaker 1: Whether he's connected, Oh yeah, yeah, I do, I do that.

1235
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:08,559
Speaker 1: I just I can't hear you. Okay, guys, you guys

1236
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 1: are gonna rob a bank, all right? Who's driving the

1237
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 1: getaway car? Me? Who? Oh? Okay, who's planning the heist.

1238
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 1: What's the third off? Well, who's going to actually do it?

1239
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:27,280
Speaker 1: I think I already know this. No, I mean who runs?

1240
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 1: I mean Tommy is producing this. Yeah, that's that's Billy.

1241
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:37,600
Speaker 1: He's an actor. He's got to like he's right, not

1242
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:45,320
Speaker 1: in the face from the ground. I think I think

1243
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:48,320
Speaker 1: we were playing it as a group and then what

1244
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:51,120
Speaker 1: we had to do. Yeah, I you know, I don't

1245
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:52,760
Speaker 1: know if Brooks, if I would leave you in charge

1246
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:54,519
Speaker 1: of the planning, because you might come up with something

1247
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 1: too ornate for Tommy to follow. I'm also a better

1248
01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:00,679
Speaker 1: driver than Brooks. This sounds like an all bank heist.

1249
01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:03,720
Speaker 1: We knew. Never get out of the planet stages. No,

1250
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:09,559
Speaker 1: you're going in, No, you're going this is your next

1251
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 1: ship for Billy. How about how about this one? If

1252
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 1: all three of you got put into the octagon? Who

1253
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 1: would come out on top? Billy? Who that's toff called?

1254
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. Uh, Brooks is wide throwing elbows everywhere.

1255
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:36,960
Speaker 1: Maybe nobody, Billy is exactly. Nobody's coming out alive. Who's

1256
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 1: the best athlete? Oh, best athlete? I was in high school,

1257
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 1: but it's been a long while. Yeah, I'm an amazing golfer.

1258
01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 1: Brooks is an amazing skater. I think we all have

1259
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:52,800
Speaker 1: different qualities in sports. Are you guys all athletic? I

1260
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:55,240
Speaker 1: mean just in some degree? I feel like you know,

1261
01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 1: none of us were. I mean, Tommy was the catcher

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Speaker 1: of his high school baseball team, and so he was

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01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:05,559
Speaker 1: a four year letter in baseball. So and I went

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01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 1: to play in college and it didn't work out. I

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01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:12,160
Speaker 1: wrestled when I was in high school. But the year

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Speaker 1: that I didn't wrestle, we won state, which gives you

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01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:21,760
Speaker 1: some idea of how kind of asset I was to

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Speaker 1: the high school wrestling team. Okay, you have you need advice,

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01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:34,000
Speaker 1: relationship advice. Who what brother do you go to? I

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01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:48,320
Speaker 1: find new siblings? Okay, so let's end with our question

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01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:51,800
Speaker 1: that we always ask. Okay, what first one? One, one

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01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:56,120
Speaker 1: last one? What is what's the movie that Billy has

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01:20:56,160 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 1: done that you least like? Oliver? You're such a dick.

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Speaker 1: This is an Oliver question, and that is a question

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01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:08,680
Speaker 1: he would ask me on the seventeenth hold when I'm

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01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 1: over a six win. I've loved them all, Oliver, I've

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01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 1: loved them all, all of them. Okay, I'll give you.

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Speaker 1: I gave you the worst one The worst one was

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01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 1: I think oedipis built on Broadway, off Broadway. That was

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01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:28,920
Speaker 1: off Broadway. That was an hour long, eight hours. It

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01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:31,519
Speaker 1: was Francis McDorman and I and it was only four

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01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:34,360
Speaker 1: And wait, did I go see that one. I couldn't

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01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:35,640
Speaker 1: drag you to that one. I've dragged you to some

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01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:38,080
Speaker 1: other ones, but I couldn't give you that one. I

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Speaker 1: just want to say one thing before we do the

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01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 1: last question. Billy, you're so handsome, and like I wish

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01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:51,080
Speaker 1: that I had your career and you were always the

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01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:53,519
Speaker 1: most handsome guy of all time. I was like, that

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01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:57,360
Speaker 1: guy's so fucking handsome. I felt I felt like we

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01:21:57,439 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 1: could be brothers and it never worked out out. But

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Speaker 1: I'm glad that we can have this conversation and maybe

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01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:08,120
Speaker 1: we can be friends again. And you're just so handsome,

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01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:11,320
Speaker 1: you know. Oh yeah, I'm sorry. There was a little

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01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:12,840
Speaker 1: bit of a technical thing. If you could just do

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01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 1: that one more time. Okay, You're just you're You're just handsome.

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Speaker 1: So I'm sweating now. It's hot in here. It is hot.

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Speaker 1: So the last the last question that we ask everybody. Now,

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Speaker 1: this is a three parter, right, so well to the

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01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:34,760
Speaker 1: two part questions. You guys got to do it for

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01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:38,000
Speaker 1: each of each other. So if you could take one

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Speaker 1: thing from your brother for yourself, something that you wish

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01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:45,880
Speaker 1: that you had a quality of trait, what would that be?

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01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:47,960
Speaker 1: And on the flip side of that, if you could

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Speaker 1: alleviate something from him that would make his life a

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01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:58,680
Speaker 1: little bit easier, what would you alleviate. My first thing

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01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:01,320
Speaker 1: is I would take brains from bro, both Billy and Brooks,

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01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 1: because they're both much smarter than me. And then I

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01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 1: would alleviate angst with both of them. I mean, I

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01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 1: think that, I mean, I think we all have our

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01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 1: inner angst and I mind shows differently. But billion Brooks

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01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:20,240
Speaker 1: are such good fathers and such good spouses that I

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Speaker 1: would want to take that away just so they could

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Speaker 1: just live and not worry about it. That's good, brotherly vice.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate that. TC. Love you, Love you, Bro. I would

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Speaker 1: take Tommy's care for others his, he the people in

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01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:41,920
Speaker 1: his life that the way that he cares for them

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01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:47,040
Speaker 1: is it's unique, and I would take away from him

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01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 1: the cost of that care for others that it has

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01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 1: on him, and from Brooks his his creativity and sense

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01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:03,160
Speaker 1: of humor is singular to me and it just has

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01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:08,440
Speaker 1: flipping killed me forever. The two of us sometimes sometimes

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01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 1: we will have conversation where not a single word is

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01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 1: said and we're both belly laughing for twenty minutes. So

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01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:21,559
Speaker 1: that if I could take that ability to really enjoy

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01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:27,439
Speaker 1: a laugh together from him, that would be one thing.

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01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:32,200
Speaker 1: And I think, like Tommy, if I could alleviate or

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Speaker 1: take something away from him, it would be any doubt

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01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:43,920
Speaker 1: or self consciousness about what an incredible person and father.

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Speaker 1: Thanks really, I love that Tommy and Billy. I think

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01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:59,760
Speaker 1: both I would take I'm getting better, but I think

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01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:08,920
Speaker 1: the the level of perseverance and dedication focus, I guess,

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01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:14,840
Speaker 1: And for Tommy, I guess both I would take away

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01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 1: or give maybe the ability to be able to also

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01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 1: unplug and like have a real vacation to where there

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01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:36,320
Speaker 1: is no pressure and relax. Thanks bros, appreciate I love you, guys.

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy you came and did this. I hope

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Speaker 1: you enjoyed it. I'm glad all three of you came

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01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:44,800
Speaker 1: on too. I'm glad that last minute choice was made.

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01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:49,960
Speaker 1: I was no it was good man. Thank you so

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01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:51,840
Speaker 1: much for having us, even though Tommy didn't want me.

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01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:57,720
Speaker 1: I thank you for having the feelings mutual. I love

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Speaker 1: you guys and Ali. I can't wait to start up

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01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:05,000
Speaker 1: our romance again. I can't wait. Thanks Thanksgiving, you Happy

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01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:09,200
Speaker 1: thanks Giving. Thanks for having us on. Thank you boys.

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Speaker 1: Sibling Revelry is executive produced by Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 1: Producer is Alison Presnik. Music by Mark Hudson a k A.

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Speaker 1: Uncle Mark