Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Civic Cipher. I'm your host,
Speaker 1: rams is Jah.
Speaker 2: They called me q Ward because Q is easier to
Speaker 2: say than Quinton. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I do, yes indeed, And we are back with the
Speaker 1: second installment of Civic Cipher, as promised to continue our
Speaker 1: program from last week, where we're going to discuss a
Speaker 1: few things, not the least of which is we're going
Speaker 1: to continue on with our examining some of the myths
Speaker 1: about Abraham Lincoln that you've all kind of held to
Speaker 1: be true for many years, especially those of us that
Speaker 1: went to school in public education. So DJ Swirl has
Speaker 1: that in the works for us. We also have some
Speaker 1: Ebony excellence to get into here real soon. But a
Speaker 1: couple of bigger things that we wanted to talk about
Speaker 1: that we weren't able to get to last week. A
Speaker 1: story about a Trump's reporter who shot into a car
Speaker 1: full of black teens back and in December at an
Speaker 1: Iowa rally. You know we're gonna we got some follow
Speaker 1: up information about his sentencing that many of us will
Speaker 1: find troubling, and you know that we really need to examine,
Speaker 1: and we also want to spend more time talking about
Speaker 1: a show from in the three weeks ago where we
Speaker 1: originally talked about critical race theory and how it was
Speaker 1: banned in Florida, while some new laws have been passed
Speaker 1: in Texas, and we want to examine that and just
Speaker 1: kind of reintroduce the topic because I get the impression
Speaker 1: that we're going to have to deal with this around
Speaker 1: the country, and so we have a lot in store
Speaker 1: for today's episode. But before we get to the heavy stuff,
Speaker 1: I definitely want to take some time to shout out
Speaker 1: all of the black women athletes for our Ebony X
Speaker 1: Simmons segment.
Speaker 2: All I do is win and win no matter what.
Speaker 1: So, as many of you know, Simone Biles is now
Speaker 1: a seven time national champion.
Speaker 2: She's the truth.
Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, they call her the Goat. I've seen on
Speaker 1: her uniform now she has a picture of a goat
Speaker 1: in like rhinestones. Wow. And so she's she's owning it
Speaker 1: and I love it. I love that. But there's a
Speaker 1: lot more. You know, it's it's Olympic time and there's
Speaker 1: you know a lot of athletes are in the news,
Speaker 1: and particularly a lot of black women, and we are
Speaker 1: real big believers in black girl magic. Around here, of course,
Speaker 1: So I want to shout out a few more names.
Speaker 1: Simone Manuel, who came back from an injury to ultimately
Speaker 1: make the Olympic team. I'm kind of condensing it, but
Speaker 1: an excellent achievement. Alison Felix became a mother, uh and
Speaker 1: was late dropped by Nike, only to come back to
Speaker 1: make her fifth Olympic appearance.
Speaker 2: One of our next shows are one of our future shows,
Speaker 2: we're going to spend some more time talking about Alison Felix.
Speaker 2: Her husband is a personal friend of mine. We ran
Speaker 2: track in high school together. She has a triumphant story.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like she's a conqueror making her fifth Olympics. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: I'll let you guys do the math on that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, that she and then gave birth between the fourth
Speaker 1: and fifth, got dropped by a sponsor because they thought
Speaker 1: she was done, came back and proved every room wrong.
Speaker 1: So we love that around here. Shelley Ann Fraser Price
Speaker 1: ran the fastest one hundred meter of the year and
Speaker 1: became the second fast fastest woman of all time. So
Speaker 1: a big shout out to Shelley and Fraser Price. And
Speaker 1: then I hope I'm saying this right, Shikari Richardson, keep
Speaker 1: your eyes open for her. She might be the next
Speaker 1: fastest woman in the world. Well, listen, she made the
Speaker 1: Olympic team. And this is a little sad, but it
Speaker 1: was one week after burying her mom. So a lot
Speaker 1: of triumph in those stories, and of course all black
Speaker 1: girl magic and of course ebony excellence, which we love
Speaker 1: to celebrate on the show here, So big shout out
Speaker 1: to all of our Olympians and I get the feeling
Speaker 1: we're going to do well. But moving on to the
Speaker 1: issue at hands. So, you know, I remember reading about
Speaker 1: this story about the shooting at the Trump rally, you know,
Speaker 1: and these guys are all Second Amendment self defense. And
Speaker 1: if they if they can, you know, tell themselves a story,
Speaker 1: no matter how far fetched, if they can connect a
Speaker 1: couple of dots and say they were threatened or you know,
Speaker 1: anything like that, then they'll use it as an excuse
Speaker 1: to engage physically and you know, violently, yeah, exactly, and
Speaker 1: the law and they almost know that the law will
Speaker 1: be on their side, you know, because the police often
Speaker 1: look like them or subscribe to similar philosophies. They tend
Speaker 1: to be right leaning, you know. Obviously, police tend to
Speaker 1: support candidates who tend to in turn support police and
Speaker 1: those oftentimes tend to be right leaning candidates. And fiscal decisions, sure,
Speaker 1: among other decisions. But you know, sure we'll start there.
Speaker 1: I think there's a fundamentally yeah, yeah, there's a fundamental
Speaker 1: difference in philosophy and value of human life, different types
Speaker 1: of human life, I think. But sure, fiscal decisions. But
Speaker 1: you know, the way this this scenario plays out oftentimes
Speaker 1: is is a story that we're well versed with, and
Speaker 1: this one is no exception. So I actually caught wind
Speaker 1: of this story. Not sure if you you two did
Speaker 1: a swirl or cue, but you know, we didn't, you know,
Speaker 1: as as it goes, we didn't get a chance to
Speaker 1: talk about it on the air, perhaps because no one died,
Speaker 1: you know. Unfortunately the reality of the situation is that
Speaker 1: our priorities have to be where there's a loss of
Speaker 1: life and there's you know, a huge rallying momentum behind,
Speaker 1: you know, seeking some sort of justification or justification not
Speaker 1: the right word. What am I looking for? Accountability for that?
Speaker 2: And then we also only have an hour a week, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So it might not have
Speaker 2: been because no one died. There might have just been
Speaker 2: so many stories where someone did. Sure, so we probably
Speaker 2: didn't intentionally omit it.
Speaker 1: No, No, not at all. I remember I remember thinking
Speaker 1: like that we should probably talk about this. But I
Speaker 1: do distinctly remember that week we had to discuss something
Speaker 1: that resulted in a death. And so unfortunately that was
Speaker 1: the reality, at least that at that point in time.
Speaker 1: But the reason this came back up and came back
Speaker 1: across our desk is because ultimate basically what happened is
Speaker 1: there was a Trump supporter who ended up shooting into
Speaker 1: a car full of black teenagers. You know, someone got
Speaker 1: shot and the person was Ultimately the shooter was charged
Speaker 1: for attempted murder, right, and you would think end of story, Great,
Speaker 1: that's that should be the way that goes. But ended
Speaker 1: up getting a very uh what was described as generous
Speaker 1: plea deal. And so that's what we need to look
Speaker 1: at today. So let me let me, let me, let me,
Speaker 1: let me get into details with the story because I
Speaker 1: have some notes here. So on December sixth, uh Michael
Speaker 1: McKinney of Saint Charles, Iowa was at a rally at
Speaker 1: state Capitol hosted by Women for America first a pro
Speaker 1: Trump group when a group of Trump supporters clashed with
Speaker 1: a group of four teenage girls, all under the age sixteen,
Speaker 1: who began following the group in a vehicle. Now that
Speaker 1: underage women underage girls rather were black. According to the
Speaker 1: driver's mother, Danielle Gross, the teens and the Trump supporters
Speaker 1: argued about politics. Gross said the demonstrators hurled racial slurs
Speaker 1: at the teens. I wasn't there, so I don't know
Speaker 1: how true that is. But Trump rally black kids there,
Speaker 1: I'd imagine it's believable. After rally goer surrounded the vehicle
Speaker 1: carrying the teens, the driver put the car in reverse
Speaker 1: and struck a truck, although it's not clear whether she
Speaker 1: hit the truck intentionally. In other words, it sounds like
Speaker 1: they were trying to escape because they were surrounded by
Speaker 1: folks who were all right. McKinney, who wasn't involved in
Speaker 1: the altercation that led to the shooting, according to court documents,
Speaker 1: walked toward the vehicle, pulled a gun from his waistband,
Speaker 1: and shot into the car from fifteen feet away. In
Speaker 1: other words, this person was not it was not his
Speaker 1: property that was damaged. He was not these girls are
Speaker 1: trying to escape and so forth, and this is the
Speaker 1: way the story went. One of the girls that had
Speaker 1: been arguing with Rout through the sunroof of the vehicle
Speaker 1: was struck in the leg, and the driver sped off
Speaker 1: to take her to a hospital. McKinney was wearing body
Speaker 1: armor and had two loaded magazines in his pants, along
Speaker 1: with another firearm with Trump decals on his vehicle. He
Speaker 1: tried to hide evidence by putting the shellcasing in the
Speaker 1: back of his car only and only confessed after others
Speaker 1: identified him. So he went there with a gun and
Speaker 1: a bulletproof vest and his you know, Merica gear, perhaps
Speaker 1: anticipating some funk, found some across for something or to
Speaker 1: start some found some across the field, and inserted himself
Speaker 1: into the middle of that situation and then shot some
Speaker 1: people who were trying to leave. Authorities downplayed the racial
Speaker 1: context of the shooting, and initial police reports contained no
Speaker 1: record of race or mention of Trump. Right. Initial police reports,
Speaker 1: as we know, tend to be often incomplete or inaccurate,
Speaker 1: and or oftentimes it's both. Yeah, yeah, I think that's
Speaker 1: a fair thing. Oftentimes it is both, you know, certainly
Speaker 1: with the stories that come an hour away, and when
Speaker 1: you view the world through a black lens, it really
Speaker 1: feels like that you're not going to get a fair
Speaker 1: shake when you're interacting with policing or representation with respect
Speaker 1: to the government, and those things really do inform your
Speaker 1: movements in your day to day activities. And so I
Speaker 1: just want to make sure that I said that the
Speaker 1: right way. I don't I don't want to be unfair.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be unkind. I know that they're
Speaker 1: law enforcement officers to listen. I know that there are
Speaker 1: laws support people that support law enforcement that listen. But
Speaker 1: this is a real show, and we have to have
Speaker 1: real conversations, and so let's deal with the real all right.
Speaker 1: So Bob Brecky Junior, the owner of the truck the
Speaker 1: driver struck, told the Associated Press he was glad McKinney
Speaker 1: fired at the teens quote. I felt relieved, he said
Speaker 1: his vehicle was scratched during the chaos. Now, I do
Speaker 1: want to mention something here. This article comes from the
Speaker 1: Atlanta Black Star. We get a lot of our news
Speaker 1: from the Atlanta Black Star and other sources around the internet.
Speaker 1: This article may have been written in such a way
Speaker 1: to where it really favors our general view of the world.
Speaker 1: That's not to say it's inaccurate, but things like the
Speaker 1: driver's truck was scratched. That could mean that the driver's
Speaker 1: truck was actually scratched or it could have been damaged,
Speaker 1: and we don't know that because it was written this way.
Speaker 1: So I want to be I want to mention that
Speaker 1: these are not my words and this isn't coming from.
Speaker 2: Even if the driver's vehicle was destroyed.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you're not wrong.
Speaker 2: Property over people's lives, it just doesn't really unless they
Speaker 2: were trying to do you harm or your family harmed,
Speaker 2: then I get it.
Speaker 1: But well, that's where I want to go. I just
Speaker 1: want to make sure that. So a couple of weeks ago, Que,
Speaker 1: you said to me, so we want watch the video.
Speaker 1: This was a few episodes ago. We watched a video
Speaker 1: of no I think it was. You watched the video
Speaker 1: of some police officers attacking some teenagers on a beach
Speaker 1: and might have been in Virginia and uh Maryland, Maryland. Okay,
Speaker 1: there we go, and the the teenagers on the beach
Speaker 1: at the time, I didn't know their age because you
Speaker 1: watched the video. I didn't you know as we do.
Speaker 1: We take turns. So what happened is I refer to
Speaker 1: them as children, and you corrected me and said, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't want this to be you know, I don't
Speaker 1: want this story to get out there the wrong way
Speaker 1: and us to be accused of, you know, misrepresenting what
Speaker 1: really happened. They were teenagers, and I says, okay, that's
Speaker 1: fair to me a teenager as a child.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because we were a team, we were both right.
Speaker 2: I just didn't want the story to sound like.
Speaker 1: Sound like we're trying to make it into something.
Speaker 2: It was like we were trying to manipulate people, that's what.
Speaker 1: And so that in that same spirit, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: make sure that I identify the source of this this article.
Speaker 1: I'm reading the story. You can find the story anywhere
Speaker 1: on the internet, but this article comes from the Atlanta
Speaker 1: Black Star. So that's important, But also us dealing with
Speaker 1: sort of a narrative that we already have in our head.
Speaker 1: If we see things that support our worldview already, then
Speaker 1: we process it less critically, I think, And so that's
Speaker 1: why I'm trying to be critical. Those who also read
Speaker 1: the Atlanta Black Star know that they exist to kind
Speaker 1: of provide a glimpse into issues and stories that mainstream
Speaker 1: media just doesn't it completely ignores. But these are black stories,
Speaker 1: and these are real stories and valid stories, and we
Speaker 1: need to know about these things, so I'll finish her.
Speaker 1: Michael McKinney faces up to ten years in prison for
Speaker 1: each of the two charges, including intimidation with a dangerous
Speaker 1: weapon and Wilfrid injury after one of the girls, age fifteen,
Speaker 1: was injured when he fired his weapon. McKinney's expected to
Speaker 1: be sentenced August ninth. Before taking a plea deal, he
Speaker 1: was scheduled to go on trial June twenty first, and
Speaker 1: argue that he fired his weapon in self defense as
Speaker 1: the girl's vehicle backed into a pickup truck driven by
Speaker 1: another Trump supporter. And that's a tough case to make
Speaker 1: self defense when they're driving into another truck. They're backing
Speaker 1: into another truck, you know, trying to escape. So but
Speaker 1: the Army veteran who'd express support for the Proud Boys
Speaker 1: and back the Blue movement admitted Wednesday that he'd intentionally
Speaker 1: fired into the vehicle, causing the documents to fear serious
Speaker 1: injury from my action and acknowledge that one of the
Speaker 1: girls was seriously injured as a result. Under the plea deal,
Speaker 1: the state will dismiss four charges, including attempted murder and
Speaker 1: woke seek enhancements that would have required McKinney to serve
Speaker 1: five years on each count before being eligible for parole.
Speaker 1: One prosecutor described the deal as generous. Go ahead.
Speaker 2: You guys can't see me. I had to put my
Speaker 2: hand on my brother Ramses just so I could feel
Speaker 2: the love vibrate from him back into me, so I
Speaker 2: didn't throw my mic. Right now, our justice system is
Speaker 2: really really strange because there's all these things put in
Speaker 2: place to kind of help you get out of crimes
Speaker 2: you've committed. Right, if we watch you kill someone on video,
Speaker 2: but the video wasn't procured the right way, then yeah
Speaker 2: we saw you do it, but they didn't have the
Speaker 2: proper warrant to get that video, So.
Speaker 1: Throw it out.
Speaker 2: That happened to my brother, right, So, and I understand
Speaker 2: that we have rights and they can't just be thrown away.
Speaker 2: So I get it. But man, admit you did this
Speaker 2: and we won't charge you for it. Right, you tried
Speaker 2: to kill these people, and because you admitted it, we're
Speaker 2: gonna throw away the worst parts of the crime that
Speaker 2: you just said you did intentionally premeditated, almost through my
Speaker 2: migration right now.
Speaker 1: So wat's just if he was convicted on all this
Speaker 1: council without that plea deal, he would have served thirty
Speaker 1: two years in prison for attempted murder, right, But he's
Speaker 1: they're like I said, they're dismissing for the charges, including
Speaker 1: the attempted murder, and won't seek enhancements. So I don't
Speaker 1: know what that what the result of that is in
Speaker 1: terms of numbers, but for the prosecutor to describe the
Speaker 1: deal as generous, that's he wasn't proud. He wasn't happy
Speaker 1: about that. You know, he's like these guys out here
Speaker 1: shooting people. He's a crazy person with a bulletproof vest,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He doesn't need to be
Speaker 1: out on the streets with his vigilante sort of actions.
Speaker 1: We live in a society where there's order and there's
Speaker 1: you know, systems in place to that already disadvantages people.
Speaker 2: And I like how you get to be afraid of
Speaker 2: people fleeing from you, where you get to stand your
Speaker 2: ground while you're pursuing someone, Like it's amazing how these
Speaker 2: things are written into law and the way that they
Speaker 2: are translated when it's time to sentence people for doing
Speaker 2: really heinoessed evil things.
Speaker 1: Listen, we talked about that last episode where there was
Speaker 1: a man and I think it's we're taught to fear melanin,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just the fact of the matter, all
Speaker 1: of us, even black people, you know. But we talked
Speaker 1: about it last show where there was a man who
Speaker 1: in Hawaii who walked into there was a temple right
Speaker 1: next to a house. So I'm sure the construction was
Speaker 1: similar in Hawaii. I'm not sure exactly where it was,
Speaker 1: but he walked into the house instead of the temple.
Speaker 1: Before walking through the house, took off his shoes. He
Speaker 1: was wearing his temple garb to go in and meditate.
Speaker 1: Black man walked in the house that happened to be
Speaker 1: owned by some non black folks. They called the police
Speaker 1: and stayed on the phone with the police until the
Speaker 1: police showed up and executed the man, even though he
Speaker 1: had apologized, walked out of the house, attempted to explain
Speaker 1: himself to the police, even while to nine one one operators,
Speaker 1: and just resulted in his death. And so we do
Speaker 1: understand that and let's be clear, if you walk into
Speaker 1: my house by a mistake, you deserve to be arrested.
Speaker 1: You know, you can figure out the whys and all
Speaker 1: that stuff later, but me, my lady, and my children
Speaker 1: are probably all terrified if a stranger walks in the house,
Speaker 1: So we're probably calling the cops. And if they arrest
Speaker 1: you for that mistake, that's not my fault, that's yours.
Speaker 1: I also understand you don't deserve to die because of
Speaker 1: that mistake. Sure well, I would argue that the moment
Speaker 1: when in that story, Not to rehash last week's episode,
Speaker 1: but in that story, the man once he realized his mistake, Oh,
Speaker 1: this is a private residence. This is not the temple
Speaker 1: I was looking for that I had been to last
Speaker 1: week with my wife. But it's next door. I thought
Speaker 1: this was it. I'm sorry here, let me leave, and
Speaker 1: very clearly made a mistake. I apologized to Yeah, at
Speaker 1: that point, it's no longer a threat. I'm leaving. I'm
Speaker 1: going back to the outside the door on the patio
Speaker 1: to put my shoes on. And you know, there's nothing here.
Speaker 1: And the woman described the man to the nine one
Speaker 1: one operator, saying that he had no weapon, he was
Speaker 1: not acting aggressively and so forth. And then later in
Speaker 1: the police report the police said that the woman was
Speaker 1: fearful and that described the man as acting aggressively. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I do want to talk about something that really speaks
Speaker 1: to this story about Michael McKinney, where with his lighter sentencing.
Speaker 1: So I don't know the exact quote, but I remember
Speaker 1: watching a Ted talk with Brian Stevenson. For those who
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know the name of the movie,
Speaker 1: but Brian Stevenson has a movie and that the main
Speaker 1: character is played by Michael B. Johnson, Michael B. Jordan. Sorry, Jesus,
Speaker 1: there's a Johnson here on the page in front of me,
Speaker 1: Michael B. Jordan. So I have to find the name
Speaker 1: of the movie. But he's a real life person who's
Speaker 1: still alive and still he has an organization called the
Speaker 1: Equal Justice Initiative. So Brian Stevenson in this Ted talk
Speaker 1: he says something that I thought was very profound and
Speaker 1: it stayed with me for many years. He says, I
Speaker 1: think it's something along the lines of often times it's race,
Speaker 1: not culpability, that shapes outcomes in the criminal justice system,
Speaker 1: and that the criminal justice system, as it is, treat
Speaker 1: you much better if you are white and guilty than
Speaker 1: if you are black and innocent. And similarly, it treats
Speaker 1: you much better if you're rich and guilty and if
Speaker 1: you're poor and innocent. Right, So, for our purposes here,
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna you know, this is something that
Speaker 1: I believe, this example at least runs along the color lines.
Speaker 1: And so I want to lean into that.
Speaker 2: The film is called Just Mercy merring Jamie Fox.
Speaker 1: That's it perfect. Now I want to say another thing.
Speaker 1: I have an older brother I come from I'm very,
Speaker 1: very blessed. I come from a family of I believe,
Speaker 1: excellent people. None of us are. My father had all
Speaker 1: of the children.
Speaker 2: He's saying he believes to be modest. I know because
Speaker 2: I know these people. He does come from a family
Speaker 2: of excellence.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you. So to give you an example,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm in the studio right now, and my
Speaker 1: brother's a plaquesa on the wall. He's a recording artist.
Speaker 1: His group's called Dilated Peoples. They released a ton of albums,
Speaker 1: most of them through Capitol Records, world famous, world tour.
Speaker 1: My sister's a Hollywood producer, writer. Her shows include Blackish, Boondocks,
Speaker 1: What's the one Dave with Little Dicky. That's a new
Speaker 1: one she's working on, and I mean you could look
Speaker 1: her up on IMDb. Jamara Taylor, one of my brothers
Speaker 1: is a lawyer, you know, and on and on. That
Speaker 1: list goes on and on. So and we're all doing
Speaker 1: I believe good things, you know, We're all proud of
Speaker 1: all of us. Right. My oldest brother, Sean was a
Speaker 1: millionaire when he was like a teenager. He was like
Speaker 1: nineteen when he made his first million dollars back in
Speaker 1: the nineties when it was still tough. So I have
Speaker 1: a brother named Bibbie. That's not his real name. His
Speaker 1: name is Johnny Young, but I call him for big brother. Anyway.
Speaker 1: Once upon a time, Bibby got himself a new Escalade
Speaker 1: and his now wife and him were always driving around
Speaker 1: in his car. And if you know anything about California,
Speaker 1: there is a real issue with car jackings, or at
Speaker 1: least there was at that time. So he carried a
Speaker 1: gun with him in the car. He's got someone to
Speaker 1: protect and got to protect himself too. That's just how
Speaker 1: it is out there. One night, some folks started messing
Speaker 1: with his girlfriend who's now his wife. It's all on
Speaker 1: video too. These guys are just doing too much touching,
Speaker 1: doing whatever, and Bib can't go up and deal with
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys like this long story short ends
Speaker 1: up grabbing his gun, shooting in the air. Guys run away.
Speaker 1: My brother went to prison for twelve years for attempted murder,
Speaker 1: even though that was on video, shouting straight in the
Speaker 1: air as warning shots, and everyone ran away. And that's
Speaker 1: the criminal justice system that I know to be true.
Speaker 1: I lost twelve years with my older brother. He's out
Speaker 1: now and he's thriving. But this story, I think speaks
Speaker 1: to a culture that's commonplace in this country, where again,
Speaker 1: the outcomes in this arena tend to treat you much
Speaker 1: better if you're white and guilty than if you're black
Speaker 1: and innocent. And it's unfortunate, but we do need to
Speaker 1: discuss it, because our votes shape the shape systems like this.
Speaker 1: Our phone calls to our representatives shape things like this.
Speaker 1: Our voting on ballots for judges shape things like this.
Speaker 1: Do a little bit of research, make the changes you
Speaker 1: want to see in your community, and hopefully we will
Speaker 1: create a better space for all of us. That's at
Speaker 1: least my belief. And now watching my mic back like.
Speaker 2: That strike.
Speaker 3: Waters from Headquarters behind and the blind in the borders.
Speaker 1: If you're just tuning in to Civic Cipher, I'm your
Speaker 1: host Grams's job.
Speaker 2: My name is Quentin Ward, but my friends call me q.
Speaker 1: This indeed, and uh, you know, we have a few
Speaker 1: more things that we want to touch on. One in
Speaker 1: particular has to do with the governor in Texas uh
Speaker 1: signing into law a bill banning critical race theory, which
Speaker 1: we've talked about on the show a couple of times now.
Speaker 1: And we still want to finish our Lincoln myths. So
Speaker 1: we're gonna check in with DJ Swirling a little bit.
Speaker 1: But first it's time to be a b A, that is,
Speaker 1: become a better ally. And so today's BABA comes in
Speaker 1: the form of I want to say this right, James Tallarico.
Speaker 1: He's a state senator from Texas, and we do have
Speaker 1: this video up on our Facebook page. Now I want
Speaker 1: you to watch this video. But if you don't get
Speaker 1: around to watching the video, that's okay.
Speaker 2: Please get around to watching the video. Please.
Speaker 1: This guy is an ally for real, So basically what
Speaker 1: he does is he gets up, you know, in his
Speaker 1: chamber in Texas and is actually charging the representatives before
Speaker 1: they go to vote, the Texas House of Representatives, before
Speaker 1: they go to vote, charges them with exactly what they're doing.
Speaker 1: You know, do you know that we're going to remove
Speaker 1: the teachings of Frederick Douglas? Do you know that this
Speaker 1: limits the teachings of doctor King? Do you know that
Speaker 1: this means that we can't educate about you know, our
Speaker 1: native populations and so forth and so on, and just
Speaker 1: rips into it and it's one of those masterful moments
Speaker 1: where you see someone come out of their own body.
Speaker 1: It's beautiful. But when you know, when you know that
Speaker 1: he's a white man and everyone that he talks about
Speaker 1: was a non white person, what you see is a
Speaker 1: human being advocating for human beings. It was very special
Speaker 1: to watch. We want to give him his kudos and
Speaker 1: I want go ahead.
Speaker 2: And he did it in such a way that the
Speaker 2: people and the person that he was addressing was unable
Speaker 2: to wiggle out of it. And masterful and make it
Speaker 2: anecdotal or add nuanced that made it untrue, like he
Speaker 2: really put the person in a position where they had
Speaker 2: to be honest about what they were doing.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I think that you know, for him, at least,
Speaker 1: he's one of those folks that gets that his voice
Speaker 1: matters in spaces where either black and brown voices don't matter,
Speaker 1: or where they don't exist. And that's a lot of places.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of powerful rooms where once they shut
Speaker 1: the door, there's no one who looks anything other like
Speaker 1: the folks that are in that room. And lotentimes those
Speaker 1: are white males.
Speaker 2: And that's what you and I spoke about on the
Speaker 2: last show, speaking about you know, being as hopeful as
Speaker 2: my brother, as optimistic as my brother ramses. It's not
Speaker 2: because I don't believe that more people are good people
Speaker 2: and good human beings. It's just that spaces like this
Speaker 2: exist where even those good people don't exist, or sometimes
Speaker 2: are put in a position where it's uncomfortable or scary
Speaker 2: to speak up on behalf of the people who aren't
Speaker 2: represented in those rooms.
Speaker 4: Exactly, he didn't change old boys opinion like the person
Speaker 4: he was addressing. He showed you the exact opposite of
Speaker 4: that hopefulness. He showed you the paid, purposeful defense of
Speaker 4: something that is clearly biased. When he's listing all these
Speaker 4: things off in an articulate fashion. And then when he
Speaker 4: flips the script and asks about, well, why is this
Speaker 4: white person who's not even an American in the bill,
Speaker 4: and he gets very generic with his explanation, it's very telling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, so thank you Swirl for adding that, because
Speaker 1: we almost went past that. But again, to become a
Speaker 1: better ally, you know, speak up behind closed doors, make
Speaker 1: sure that you don't don't hide your voice, don't hide
Speaker 1: your light. And if you need an example of that,
Speaker 1: James tall Rico. So what he was talking about was
Speaker 1: this bill. I have another another article to read here.
Speaker 1: So the headline is Texas Governor Greg Abbott signs into
Speaker 1: law critical race theory bill limiting teaching of current events
Speaker 1: related to race.
Speaker 2: So signs into law. Those are such powerful words.
Speaker 1: Right that to go out of your way to make
Speaker 1: sure that we are not going to educate.
Speaker 4: How many arguments have you had with people or discussions
Speaker 4: you've had with people and they said, well, that's the law,
Speaker 4: and that's where the conversation ends. This is how law
Speaker 4: gets made, and this is how they have that enabled
Speaker 4: passive behavior.
Speaker 2: To just sorry, that's how it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Ramses has pointed out to us on multiple occasions, there
Speaker 2: are some really heinous things that used to be perfectly legal. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 2: you know, so that's the law. It's such a weak
Speaker 2: argument sometimes, Well here's here's what.
Speaker 1: So for those who have maybe heard of it, or
Speaker 1: maybe haven't heard of it, a little bit about critical
Speaker 1: race theory. So what it is is it is a
Speaker 1: view of history that fundamentally where we come from and
Speaker 1: our and our approach to race in the past has
Speaker 1: a direct correlation to how we relate to each other
Speaker 1: on a racial level today, where we stand relative to
Speaker 1: each other, and why there's such huge disparities in health
Speaker 1: and economic uh resources and representation in the criminal justice
Speaker 1: system and so forth, and so on, various points of
Speaker 1: you know, livelihood and life in society the hiring goes,
Speaker 1: and so forth, where you're able to live and so forth.
Speaker 1: Critical race theory kind of puts everything on the same
Speaker 1: table and says this has to do with this, and
Speaker 1: that has to do with that, and this started way
Speaker 1: back when and so forth, and so as you can imagine,
Speaker 1: the right has a vested interest in killing this before
Speaker 1: it's able to really take on a life of its own.
Speaker 1: Because it's a recent term. We've been taught about the
Speaker 1: different races for many years, but once it has coalesced
Speaker 1: into okay, we need to make sure that this curriculum
Speaker 1: is in schools. And once it becomes a buzzword, then
Speaker 1: now you know your Fox News and you know you're
Speaker 1: very right, very much right wing. Right leaning individuals have
Speaker 1: a term that they can try to pick apart. And
Speaker 1: the way that they do that, in the way that
Speaker 1: they say it, and you know, as we talked about
Speaker 1: a couple episodes ago, is they'll say that, you know,
Speaker 1: by teaching children this, we're teaching them that they come
Speaker 1: from a racist lineage. That of course, but they think
Speaker 1: that that's bad for I'm going to say it plainly,
Speaker 1: they think that that's bad for white children. Right, so
Speaker 1: I want to make sure that I say what they
Speaker 1: say so or what they what they hear. They feel
Speaker 1: like their children will grow up with low self esteem,
Speaker 1: they will feel like they'll grow up guilty and not
Speaker 1: feel like they deserve, you know, and anything they work
Speaker 1: for won't rightfully be theirs. And there's all these sorts
Speaker 1: of weird arguments that are really based loosely on I
Speaker 1: wouldn't even call it logic. It's just emotional an emotional disconnect.
Speaker 1: They want to feel good and this makes them feel bad,
Speaker 1: and they're worried it'll make their children feel bad. Plus
Speaker 1: they worry that this type of education will indoctrinate their
Speaker 1: children to become liberals, that is, and they'll say that plainly.
Speaker 1: That's the biggest fear. Yeah, they'll say it plainly, you know,
Speaker 1: because obviously we know, and you know, those who are
Speaker 1: informed know that the more educated you are, the higher
Speaker 1: your tendency is to be liberal when it comes time
Speaker 1: to vote. That's just the way it goes. You know,
Speaker 1: if you're really into church and Jesus and belief and
Speaker 1: dogma and faith and that sort of stuff, your tendency
Speaker 1: is to especially if you're white, your tendency is to
Speaker 1: have more conservative views of the world. Because not because
Speaker 1: the Republican Party is the Party of Jesus Christ, it's
Speaker 1: in fact the opposite of that, but the position themselves
Speaker 1: as such, you know, the abortion laws. That wasn't even
Speaker 1: a part of the Republican platform forty years ago. Fifty
Speaker 1: years ago they added it, was it. Yeah, they added
Speaker 1: it to their platforms so that they could further appeal
Speaker 1: to evangelicals. Marketing scheme, and we know that. But those,
Speaker 1: you know, people with faith, they tend to believe and
Speaker 1: then double down on their belief when presented with facts
Speaker 1: to the cond it means nothing to them, because belief
Speaker 1: is what's driving the ship. And when folks are educated
Speaker 1: and they take the time to learn new knowledge, not
Speaker 1: believe stuff. But listen, I want to be informed. I
Speaker 1: want to know the truth. Those people when they find
Speaker 1: the light, the real actual light, or rather, let me
Speaker 1: call it the truth, because Jesus is the light, you know.
Speaker 1: But when they find the truth, their tendency is to
Speaker 1: become very liberal with their beliefs, and the tendency is
Speaker 1: to be more loving and more of a human being,
Speaker 1: and so forth and so again. A place like Texas,
Speaker 1: a place like Florida where at least the folks in power,
Speaker 1: because Florida, I guess you can make a case of
Speaker 1: Florida's a swing state, but the folks in power in
Speaker 1: Florida are definitely right leaning folks, you know, they just
Speaker 1: got to stranglehold on that. In Texas is the same way.
Speaker 2: And some of those people are educated as well. They're
Speaker 2: just also wealthy and selfish and inherently I don't care
Speaker 2: much about other people.
Speaker 1: And wealthy people, as we know, have an interest in
Speaker 1: maintaining their lifestyle, and they need people to vote along
Speaker 1: with their interests.
Speaker 2: And people with lifestyles that aren't similar to theirs and
Speaker 2: will be and will never be.
Speaker 1: You know, I remember seeing a video where there was
Speaker 1: a guy who might have been in like Alabama or Mississippi,
Speaker 1: one of those places we've been. And this guy has
Speaker 1: no teeth, he's just a life was really hard on
Speaker 1: this guy, as an older white man, just leathery skin,
Speaker 1: rough life. He lived in a trailer. The trailer was
Speaker 1: almost together. You know, it didn't look like I wouldn't
Speaker 1: even walk in it. You know, it looked abandoned, but
Speaker 1: that was his home. And the woman interviewing him says, so,
Speaker 1: you know, why do you keep voting Republican? You're you're
Speaker 1: on welfare, you you know, you know you use these resources,
Speaker 1: you you rely on a big government. You know this
Speaker 1: and that. And the third why do you continue to
Speaker 1: vote for Republican against their own interest? Is this literally
Speaker 1: is your reality today and you're voting Republican. And he said,
Speaker 1: while it could work for me, you know like that,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of like that same mentality where folks think, well,
Speaker 1: capitalism is awesome because when I get rich, I'm going
Speaker 1: to be all the way on and it'll it'll insulate
Speaker 1: me from ever having to be poor. Again, not fully
Speaker 1: understanding the capitalism only does that for ultra rich people,
Speaker 1: because you can be rich and lose all your money.
Speaker 1: Happens all the time. You can win a lottery, people
Speaker 1: lose their money all the time. Even if you think
Speaker 1: you have the capacity to plan, you know, out your
Speaker 1: future and you get financial advisors and so forth. Let
Speaker 1: another pandemic come, let another recession come. There's people that
Speaker 1: jump off a building when that stuff happens. But the
Speaker 1: ultra rich are still very much that capitalism so very well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: absolutely even more so. But you know, I think you
Speaker 1: mentioned it earlier. There's a marketing that goes along with
Speaker 1: very much republican ideology, and you know with capitalism as well,
Speaker 1: while we're on the subject, that is very easy for
Speaker 1: certain types of people to buy into. And then the
Speaker 1: further you indoctrinate them from the opposition, then the less
Speaker 1: you have to worry about them. Ultimately seeing that quote
Speaker 1: unquote light on the other side, you know, as long
Speaker 1: as Republicans view Democrats as the enemies drinking baby blood
Speaker 1: in the bottom of a pizza shop or whatever weird
Speaker 1: stuff that they were talking about last year.
Speaker 2: About and themselves as Christian evangelicals.
Speaker 1: That they're doing right by God. This guy this, what's
Speaker 1: this other guy? This trumper walking around with a bulletproof
Speaker 1: vest I don't think Jesus would have need a bulletproof vest.
Speaker 1: I think Jesus would have been the opposite energy from that,
Speaker 1: you know, he wouldn't have needed a murder weapon. I
Speaker 1: don't think Jesus would rolls that way. But for some reason, God,
Speaker 1: guns and country or whatever, however whatever, Montors.
Speaker 2: Somehow successfully married I. It's the weirdest thing the Party
Speaker 2: of Lincoln. Wow, we'll get there in a second. Sorry,
Speaker 2: we'll get there in a second.
Speaker 1: Jumping the gun. But yeah, so I want to read
Speaker 1: a little bit about this before we get to that.
Speaker 1: So unfortunately we kind of touched on some of this,
Speaker 1: so I'll burn it through this quick. According to the
Speaker 1: Texas Legislature, online teaching on past and current race related
Speaker 1: issues will now be restricted under a new law signed
Speaker 1: by Republican Governor Greg Abbott on Tuesday, June fifteenth. The
Speaker 1: legislation now has thrust has now thrust the Southern state
Speaker 1: into a small but growing group of states. Let's see.
Speaker 1: Critical race theory was a fairly obscure discipline, mostly confined
Speaker 1: to university level academics until last summer, when a filmmaker
Speaker 1: introduced the concept to the right wing Zeitgeis through high
Speaker 1: profile interview with Fox News host Tucker Carlson in which
Speaker 1: he assailed diversity training initiatives in government. It became a
Speaker 1: useful umbrella term for conservatives so that it could apply
Speaker 1: to a variety of socio cultural ideas they take issue with,
Speaker 1: in Texas, where the idea of the dangers of critical
Speaker 1: race theory clearly seemed to have gained traction among conservatives.
Speaker 1: The new law further states that schools cannot teach quote
Speaker 1: an individuals should feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any other
Speaker 1: form of psychological distress on account of the individual's race
Speaker 1: or sex. Other restriction states that schools cannot quote require
Speaker 1: an understanding of the sixteen nineteen Project, a project published
Speaker 1: in the New York Times magazine investigating the history of
Speaker 1: slavery and race relations in the United States. Before I
Speaker 1: read any further, I want to talk about that. So
Speaker 1: you see the language right here, an individual should cannot
Speaker 1: teach anything that an individual should feel discomfort, guilt, anguish,
Speaker 1: or any other form of psychological distress on account of
Speaker 1: the individual's race or sex. So on paper, that includes
Speaker 1: black people, right. So that's how right wing media sells
Speaker 1: it to white folks, so that it doesn't sound like, hey, look,
Speaker 1: this is how we protect your kids from becoming liberals.
Speaker 1: They say, no, we're going to protect all children from
Speaker 1: feeling guilty about their race. This protects black people too,
Speaker 1: when the truth is education is how we avoid repeating
Speaker 1: the mistakes of the past, you know, and for us
Speaker 1: to know where we come from. That informs us as
Speaker 1: to why we are where we are and helps us
Speaker 1: plan where we go from here. And it's very simple.
Speaker 1: But you understand that if you change a couple of
Speaker 1: these things around, and you know, sell it to a
Speaker 1: white voter base, a white conservative voter base, that they'll
Speaker 1: help you get this across the finish line. And a
Speaker 1: lot of them, even though they know better. The language
Speaker 1: allows them to insulate themselves from the reality. They can say, oh, yes,
Speaker 1: I am doing a good thing. This shit I'm not racist.
Speaker 2: The strategy that they use to maintain their status quo
Speaker 2: is quite brilliant.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Right, there's only one group of people that would feel
Speaker 2: guilty about the slave trade, but they don't word it
Speaker 2: that way. We're trying to protect everyone so that no
Speaker 2: one feels guilty or ashamed based on their race or gender.
Speaker 1: But you know what, I think that I think that
Speaker 1: guilt and shame aren't necessarily bad things. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: you're wrong, but I'm saying, if that were true, it's
Speaker 1: not necessarily wrong. And I would even say that maybe
Speaker 1: black students might feel some of that too, not that
Speaker 1: it's bad. Again, I'll explain. My father was a minister,
Speaker 1: you know, and in the community, that's a high position.
Speaker 1: His father was a minister, so I come from a
Speaker 1: line of these folks. My father had his doctorate degree.
Speaker 1: He was a very educated man, brilliant man. I was
Speaker 1: proud to be my father's son. I saw the reception
Speaker 1: that he got in the rooms that he went, and
Speaker 1: I remember that from a young age. You used to
Speaker 1: carry me on stages, on podiums with them. I used
Speaker 1: to be able to sit in the pulpit with them.
Speaker 1: Later I found out that we descended from slaves. Later
Speaker 1: I found out that the Church of God in Christ
Speaker 1: was founded in Tennessee by folks who at one point
Speaker 1: in time were slaves. You know what I mean, this
Speaker 1: is my great grandfather and so forth. You know, I
Speaker 1: come from a church background. So that becomes something you're
Speaker 1: not so proud of right now. Maybe shame is too
Speaker 1: strong of a word, but imagine if you're listening to
Speaker 1: us and you're not a black person, imagine finding out
Speaker 1: that you come from slaves, you know. And then I'm
Speaker 1: already young. I mean Compton, California at this time. So
Speaker 1: the world around me shows me that the white folks
Speaker 1: on TV live comfortable lives. There's no gunshots on TV.
Speaker 1: There's no dead bodies where they put blankets on them
Speaker 1: in the streets, And where I live, where there's black
Speaker 1: and brown people, it's very much like that. And there's graffiti,
Speaker 1: and there's loose dogs and all these sorts of things.
Speaker 1: And that couple of the fact that, yeah, you come
Speaker 1: from slaves doesn't really make you feel very proud. But
Speaker 1: I would argue that it is very necessary to come
Speaker 1: to terms with that, because if you know that, then
Speaker 1: you know, oh, this is not my fault. I wasn't
Speaker 1: born bad anymore than a white child who's on the
Speaker 1: opposite end of that is born good. You have to
Speaker 1: work on becoming the person that you want to be,
Speaker 1: and you have to work on shaping the society that
Speaker 1: you want to see. And I would argue that if
Speaker 1: you're working on shaping a fair society for everyone, and
Speaker 1: you're working on establishing brotherhood and sisterhood with your fellow
Speaker 1: man and with the planet, I mean, that's a bit
Speaker 1: beyond the scope of what we do with the show.
Speaker 1: But you know, you know me personally, both of you
Speaker 1: do that. Now we're really having the conversation that we
Speaker 1: need to have as conscious beings, all endowed with consciousness
Speaker 1: from the same creator, whatever you believe that to be.
Speaker 1: And now you're really living your true purpose. And again,
Speaker 1: these folks have managed to remove themselves and the narratives
Speaker 1: so far away from what it actually is and then
Speaker 1: coax their base in that same direction.
Speaker 2: The thing that's kind of funny, though, is that they
Speaker 2: would use the same arguments you just made to justify
Speaker 2: this exactly right, when that's not why they're doing it.
Speaker 2: You're not trying to protect the fragility or the self
Speaker 2: esteem of black and brown children.
Speaker 1: No, I'm not at all.
Speaker 2: You just don't want your children to feel bad about
Speaker 2: their ancestry.
Speaker 1: And then also, and I think about what's paramount above everything,
Speaker 1: is that knowing where you come from, dealing with where
Speaker 1: you come from helps you to deal with where you are,
Speaker 1: and it helps you to know. Like, imagine if you
Speaker 1: knew that you did come from slaves, right and you're
Speaker 1: not a slave now, that by itself one plus one
Speaker 1: equals to that is progress. We used to be slaves
Speaker 1: or not now. So progress now exists as a concept
Speaker 1: in my mind. Well, if there is a such thing
Speaker 1: as progress, maybe we can have more progress. So what
Speaker 1: other things would I like to change? What other rigid
Speaker 1: realities exist right now that perhaps we can break out of.
Speaker 1: We're not born to die, we're not born to struggle,
Speaker 1: we're not born to do these things, So how can
Speaker 1: I change my reality? And so, yes, confronting the past
Speaker 1: really helps you deal with the present, and I believe
Speaker 1: also helps you, you know, when dealing with the future.
Speaker 1: So you know, it's a little bit more about critical
Speaker 1: race theory. But you know, if you're listening to our voice.
Speaker 1: And you know this comes up around your way wherever
Speaker 1: it is that you are. Again, there's elected officials. They
Speaker 1: represent your beliefs. They're supposed to. You can write letters,
Speaker 1: they're supposed to. If you have children, or if you
Speaker 1: know children, or even if you are a child, or
Speaker 1: if you once were a child. You can make a
Speaker 1: phone call, you can write a letter. You can do
Speaker 1: It's a very relatively small thing. And again, help create
Speaker 1: the world you want to see, because these folks are
Speaker 1: certainly trying to create the world they want to see.
Speaker 1: And there's more of us than there are of them.
Speaker 2: It's been created our way. They're just trying to maintain it.
Speaker 2: They don't ever want it to change. They don't want
Speaker 2: that progress.
Speaker 1: But I maintain there's more of us than there are
Speaker 1: of them. But we need to get active and get mobilized,
Speaker 1: and you know, write our own stories and not write
Speaker 1: other people like this more for us. So with that said,
Speaker 1: I think it's time for.
Speaker 5: The way Black History fact.
Speaker 4: Wait by my time for that last the last segment.
Speaker 4: It just feels like they don't want things, they don't
Speaker 4: want to be viewed the way they view other people.
Speaker 4: It's always insecurity anyway. But yes, the Party of Lincoln
Speaker 4: perfect segue parlaying off of last week's episode where we
Speaker 4: gave the first two out of five facts that you
Speaker 4: may not know about Lincoln. Number three is that Lincoln
Speaker 4: thought colonization could resolve the issue of slavery. Now, if
Speaker 4: you're unfamiliar with what that means, the African state founded
Speaker 4: by the American Colonization Society in eighteen twenty one is
Speaker 4: what is known as Liberia. And so Lincoln thought the
Speaker 4: best idea to solve America's problem was to literally send
Speaker 4: all African Americans to Liberia.
Speaker 1: I've heard of that, like thanks, take care.
Speaker 4: Nearly a decade later, even as he edited the draft
Speaker 4: of the preliminary Emancipation Proclamation, he hosted a delegation of
Speaker 4: freed black men and women at the White House in
Speaker 4: eighteen sixty two in the hopes of getting their support
Speaker 4: for a plan for colonization. Given the differences between the
Speaker 4: two races and the hostile attitudes of white people towards
Speaker 4: black people, Lincoln argued, it would quote unquote be better
Speaker 4: for both therefore to be separated. His support of colonization
Speaker 4: provoked great anger among black leaders and abolitionists who argued
Speaker 4: that African Americans were as much natives of the country
Speaker 4: as white people and thus deserved the same rights. Lincoln
Speaker 4: never again publicly mentioned colonization, and a mention of it
Speaker 4: in an earlier draft was deleted by the time the
Speaker 4: final proclamation was issued in January the next year.
Speaker 1: All right, before you go to the next one, I
Speaker 1: want to say something about that real quick now. I
Speaker 1: said on the last episode that we're not trying to
Speaker 1: necessarily vilify Abraham Lincoln. That's not what we're doing here.
Speaker 1: What we're trying to do is tell the truth, right,
Speaker 1: And I want to be fair because I know it
Speaker 1: to be true that there are black people and have
Speaker 1: been in the past who share that idea and that
Speaker 1: sentiment that you know, black folks would be better off
Speaker 1: moving back to Africa where the society is not or
Speaker 1: at least perhaps at that time was not built around,
Speaker 1: you know, the subjugation of black people. And so I
Speaker 1: do maintain that a lot of perhaps what Lincoln was
Speaker 1: dealing with at this time was just a function of
Speaker 1: a man dealing with a political career, a political agenda
Speaker 1: and that time. But the reason why we need to
Speaker 1: debunk these myths is because he's often celebrated in ways
Speaker 1: that are inconsistent with the truth, and history is whitewashed.
Speaker 1: And you know, we have to deal with the overwhelming
Speaker 1: amount of whitewashing that has taken place in history and
Speaker 1: deal with the facts at least on this show. My
Speaker 1: baff for cutting you off's row, what's the next one? No,
Speaker 1: you're good.
Speaker 4: Appreciate the context. It is about balance after all. Number four,
Speaker 4: Emancipation was a military strategy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I knew this.
Speaker 4: As we all know, the Civil War was fundamentally a
Speaker 4: conflict over slavery.
Speaker 1: However, the way.
Speaker 4: Lincoln saw it, emancipation when it came would have to
Speaker 4: be gradual, as the most important thing was to prevent
Speaker 4: the Southern rebellion from severing the Union permanently.
Speaker 1: In two.
Speaker 4: So on the back of emancipation, he would further undermine
Speaker 4: the Confederacy while providing the Union a new source of
Speaker 4: manpower to crush the rebellion. Yep, So, using emancipation just
Speaker 4: the word of it was enough to get southern enslaved
Speaker 4: people to come up to the North. They didn't have
Speaker 4: a plan for it, so he said, we'll put you
Speaker 4: on our team. Used the resources against them. It goes
Speaker 4: on to say that even his preliminary draft received pushback
Speaker 4: from William Seaward, who urged him to wait until things
Speaker 4: were looking better for the Union. So they didn't look
Speaker 4: like they were. It was a last gasp of a
Speaker 4: nation on the brink of defeat. So he waited.
Speaker 2: And by put you on our team, he means enlisted
Speaker 2: you in our army exactly.
Speaker 4: So Lincoln got his wish on September seventeenth at the
Speaker 4: Battle of Antietam. It was enough to help push his
Speaker 4: proclamation forward, and it was published the following day. As
Speaker 4: a cheering crowd gathered at the White House, Lincoln addressed
Speaker 4: him from a balcony. I can only trust in God.
Speaker 4: I have made no mistake. It is now for the
Speaker 4: country in the world to pass judgment on it.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I do remember that link. I do
Speaker 1: remember Lincoln using the if if i'd maybe I was
Speaker 1: I learned this wrong, but I'd have to double check it.
Speaker 1: But I remember when I first was exploring some of
Speaker 1: the myths about a Lincoln was that originally his plan
Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily to free the slaves, and a part of
Speaker 1: his original terms with the Confederacy was that they would
Speaker 1: get to keep slavery if some other concessions were made,
Speaker 1: and then when they said no, then he enacted an
Speaker 1: early emancipation, which was what you just talked about, squirrel,
Speaker 1: where some of the slaves from the Confederacy defected to
Speaker 1: the Union army and fought against them. And that was
Speaker 1: a battle strategy on his part. So the way that
Speaker 1: it was originally told to me was that Lincoln was
Speaker 1: using abolitionists slaves and the what's the word I'm looking for?
Speaker 1: He usually using the who's manipulating his way through this
Speaker 1: through the Civil War. Now, I'd have to get that
Speaker 1: in front of me, but I need to say that
Speaker 1: that's where I come from. So when i'm so, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm looking at when I'm looking at this
Speaker 1: or rather listening to it, and yeah, absolutely it sounds
Speaker 1: like you know exactly what I learned. What's the source
Speaker 1: of this?
Speaker 4: Where you gotta getting from history dot com?
Speaker 1: Okay? So the History Channel? Okay, So yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: just more about Abe Lincoln again, not to bilify him,
Speaker 1: but's got one more.
Speaker 4: Oh we do look the last but not least, the
Speaker 4: Emancipation Proclamation didn't actually free all enslaved people. Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: knew this too. Okay, this is what you were touching one.
Speaker 4: So it really only carried weight in the place is
Speaker 4: where they had no authority. And Lincoln this goes on
Speaker 4: to say that he made deals with certain areas inside
Speaker 4: the Confederacy trying to sway white people there.
Speaker 1: That they could keep their slaves. Okay, yeah, I knew
Speaker 1: I wasn't crazy. Yeah, okay, all right, well yeah, some
Speaker 1: some abe Lincoln myths. Again, not not trying to knock
Speaker 1: the man. Honestly, we're we're here now for better or worse,
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Speaker 1: term as far as I as far as I know, you.
Speaker 4: Just gave a story about how they are limiting the
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean that's the way it was written.
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