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Speaker 1: I'm Joe Matthew alongside Kaylee Lines in Washington. The White

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Speaker 1: House is offering three hundred million dollars in military assistance

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Speaker 1: stalled in the House of Representatives. That assistance anounced today

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Speaker 1: includes anti armor and anti aircraft weapons, according to senior

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Speaker 1: defense officials. Joining us now is the President of Poland,

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Speaker 1: Andre Dudah. Mister President, it's great to see you today

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Speaker 1: in Washington. Thank you for coming to talk to us

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Speaker 1: on Bloomberg. You've had a big day here in the

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Speaker 1: You just arrived from the White House. These two men

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Speaker 1: are far apart, it seems, on the issue of funding Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: Are you more concerned now following these meetings than you

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Speaker 1: were about American funding for Ukraine?

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Speaker 2: Jwgood Aftenon. Let me start by saying that, indeed, this

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Speaker 2: is a very important day for as for Poland, Jiza.

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Speaker 2: This is their twenty fifth anniversary of poland succession to

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Speaker 2: whole of our nation. As I said today, it is

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Speaker 2: Thanks to that, thanks to the support of the United States,

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Speaker 2: which we always stressed very strongly, also thanks to the

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Speaker 2: of NATA for twenty five years now and today, indeed,

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Speaker 2: this has been a very important day to me. Mister

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Speaker 2: and we had a very important meeting before that. I

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Speaker 2: of the Senate and the House of Representatives, and indeed

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Speaker 2: we had a conversation about important matters connected with security.

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Speaker 2: Today just talked about the security after twenty five years

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Speaker 2: security through the lens of Russian and Gresham in the brain.

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Speaker 2: This is a leading topic today. Today I raise these

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Speaker 2: follow the developments there firsthand. And that is the picture

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Speaker 2: I gave today both to the Senators as well as

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Speaker 2: today to make sure that Putin does not win the war,

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Speaker 2: because this is the most important thing to us, putting

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Speaker 2: Russia must not win this war, and we are taking

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Speaker 2: full responsibility for our words. This results from our experience,

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Speaker 2: also from our history. We are the nation who was

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Speaker 2: enslaved by Russian several times. If Russia wings that were

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Speaker 2: he will attack one more time. He will attack other states.

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Speaker 2: Because this is a Russian imperialism reborn and it is reedy.

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Speaker 2: It will be willing to texture. That is why it

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Speaker 2: and this community is led by the United States. Of America.

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Speaker 3: So, mister President, essentially was your message that if the

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Speaker 3: US Congress fails to provide additional support to Ukraine, not

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Speaker 2: Let me repeat once again, it is necessary to make

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Speaker 2: He has to be stopped. And the only way that

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Speaker 2: And that is today. I really made an appeal to

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Speaker 2: And I said very clearly both to the Speaker of

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Speaker 2: I told them today Putting can be stopped at the

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Speaker 3: Today.

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Speaker 2: In this way, when can stop imperialisms and provide peace

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Speaker 2: America has had its terrible experiences in this respect as well.

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Speaker 2: How many hundred thousands of American soldiers of young boys,

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Speaker 2: Western European countries. The fact that Western Europe was free

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Speaker 2: Nobody was dying. Money was scanned, the American soldiers were deployed,

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Speaker 2: only money. We do not have to put those lives

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Speaker 2: I appealed with. It urged today to to help Ukraine

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Speaker 2: to Ukraine's Ukrainians are fighting today. We didn't have to fight.

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Speaker 2: They are defending their states which was attacked. If we

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Speaker 2: for the help of the West.

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Speaker 1: You believe you cannot win this effort. Ukraine cannot win

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Speaker 1: this war without NATO. And you were proposing that NATO

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Speaker 1: to pay two percent, mister President. How do you make

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Speaker 2: We will have to discuss it, and of course this

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Speaker 2: There is no chance for them to be admitted to

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Speaker 2: leave it. After two to three months they were seeing

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Speaker 2: And that is what I'm doing because today, if you're

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Speaker 2: We need to strengthen the security of Europe. And I'm

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Speaker 2: So let us raise the defense spending to make sure

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Speaker 3: As you talk about raising defense spending. Though in this moment,

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Speaker 2: And President and polskylies and gentlemen, I'm I have been

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Speaker 2: build a security, may they at least provide their own

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Speaker 2: security themselves at a minimum. Why should we bear the

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Speaker 2: full burden of their for their security. This is understandable

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Speaker 2: to me. I President Elan Trump today returned to this

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Speaker 2: topic and he says two percent responsible allies paid two percent.

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Speaker 2: Who does not pay two percent. They are not a

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Speaker 2: responsible ally. I understand that Europe already heard those words

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Speaker 2: when he was in power as President of the United States.

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Speaker 2: He also spoke those words out loud at NATO summits,

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Speaker 2: and he called on all NATO allies to keep their obligations,

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Speaker 2: their commitments of two percent. But today the situation has changed.

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Speaker 2: Back then, we had a situation, back from twenty fourteen,

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Speaker 2: we had a situation where Russia, yes, it did occupy Crimea,

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Speaker 2: but officially Russia did not officially say that it had

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Speaker 2: attacked on its all Loganstralia. But then put In was

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Speaker 2: claiming there were separities. And today, after twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 2: after the twenty fourth of February, we are witnessing a

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Speaker 2: full scale Russian aggression and never seen by the world before,

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Speaker 2: never sin since the Second World War, at such a level,

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Speaker 2: such a huge scale. This is a total change of

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Speaker 2: the conditions. And today the two percent is not enough.

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Speaker 2: This is my personal eviction, and this is the way

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Speaker 2: I said, and I've seen the President of Poland as

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Speaker 2: I said. For nine years, I have participated in NATO summits,

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Speaker 2: I have participated in different meetings in the international arena

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Speaker 2: in maneuvers. I have been following the situation. I have

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Speaker 2: visited Ukraine many times since the war began. I visited

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Speaker 2: Ukraine one day before Putting attacked on the twenty third

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Speaker 2: of February twenty twenty two. I was in Kiev together

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Speaker 2: with the Lithuanian presidents. Ks Now said that we were

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Speaker 2: the last presidents who shook the hand of all the

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Speaker 2: Miserlanski before the war, and he told us, I do

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Speaker 2: not know whether we would see each other again. And

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Speaker 2: so I know what I'm saying because I visited Dufrain

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Speaker 2: also after that, I visited the places where Ussian troops

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Speaker 2: had withdrawn and they left burned down ground, ruined the

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Speaker 2: towns and houses. I know what war means and how

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Speaker 2: I know how much you need and how much it is,

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Speaker 2: how important it is to stop Russia, to stop the

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Speaker 2: Russian terror.

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Speaker 3: Mister President, thank you so much for joining us on

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Speaker 3: Bloomberg Television and radio. We appreciate your time.

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Speaker 2: Sir.

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Speaker 3: That was the President of Poland, Andre Dudah