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Speaker 1: Matt Gutman and ABC needs been joining me right now,

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Speaker 1: John Dial, personal injury lawyer out of Ordo, who is

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Speaker 1: Bianca Prieto. Bianca, thank you for being with us. I

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Speaker 1: completely uncharacteristic. And again about three flags in one. You know,

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Speaker 1: Cheryl Mnacle, you really need to be an investigator and

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Speaker 1: do something like found the Cold Case Research Institute because

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Speaker 1: you're really good? Is that? Dator Bethany jumping in? Cheryl

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Speaker 1: is so good. I hate to even follow her in

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Speaker 1: terms of commentary, but I will just say, Nancy, you

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Speaker 1: have the most unique texts of anybody I've ever met.

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Speaker 1: Your texts are unmistakable. Who can condense an entire paragraph

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Speaker 1: into three alphabet letters and the letters of the alphabet.

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Speaker 1: I think that's because you did. You're doing TV for

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Speaker 1: so many years, you're talking on set, you're texting, you're

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Speaker 1: running the entire show, so nobody could ever steal your

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Speaker 1: phone and text for you if you're obvious. But I'm

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Speaker 1: going to say the back. I think it's actually because

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Speaker 1: of the District Attorney's Office out to Bethany. When I

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Speaker 1: first started, I would answer the phone, good morning, Fulton

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Speaker 1: County District Attorney's Office. This is Assistant Distant Attorney Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: By the time I was beat down teen years later,

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Speaker 1: I picked fun up and go da that's what happens.

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Speaker 1: But what do you make of this, Doctor Bethany, I

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Speaker 1: think it's very critical. Nancy, Well, I'm gonna say, I'm

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Speaker 1: just gonna say, the whole, big picture, the whole background

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Speaker 1: is important to this. Remember she was on the People's

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Speaker 1: Court that day. I know, we're looking at all the

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Speaker 1: micro permutations of the text. Didn't sound like her. She

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Speaker 1: was the wrong part of down. She didn't pick up

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Speaker 1: the eleven year old, critical, dropped off the three year

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Speaker 1: old twins critical. All of this is critical, But let's

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Speaker 1: remember that she was on a television show that day,

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Speaker 1: very unusual for a lay person who's never been on TV,

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Speaker 1: and that could have built up a whole head of

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Speaker 1: steam somewhere in her life, either on the set, either

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Speaker 1: with her fiance Dale Smith, people she met on the set,

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Speaker 1: people on the bar, in the bar who knew she

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Speaker 1: was going. This was a banner day for her. And

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Speaker 1: we have to just see that as a backdrop to

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Speaker 1: all these wonderful clues that Cheryl McCollum is telling us

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Speaker 1: about big picture and small picture all at the same time.

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Speaker 1: You know, I will say, she's in a toxic relationship,

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Speaker 1: she's in a public setting, on a TV show she

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Speaker 1: works at a bar. The first thing I thought is,

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Speaker 1: you know, when you have a jealous boyfriend and a

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Speaker 1: beautiful woman working at a bar, that's the powder keg

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Speaker 1: right there in and of itself. Time Stories with Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace Bianca Prietto. I want to follow up on what

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Speaker 1: Sheryl McCallum, John Deale and Bethany Marshall are saying. What

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Speaker 1: happened exactly on the People's Court episode. It's very hard

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Speaker 1: for me to disentangle or separate that appearance. It happens

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Speaker 1: and she goes missing the very same day. What exactly happened.

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Speaker 1: The two were engaged. Dale and Michelle were engaged, too married.

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Speaker 1: He purchased for her a five thousand dollars engagement ring.

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Speaker 1: At some point they got into an argument. She tossed

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Speaker 1: the ring. Now there's a big fight. They go on

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Speaker 1: to the People's Court, and the People's Court made Dale

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Speaker 1: look not so great, And so the taping had actually

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Speaker 1: happened weeks months prior to her disappearance. But the thing

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Speaker 1: is is that at noon that day the People's Court

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Speaker 1: aired their episode, and within hours of that taping exceeding

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Speaker 1: within hours of that airing Michelle, it's gone disappeared. We

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Speaker 1: don't know what sho that? What do you mean? It

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Speaker 1: made him not look too good on the People's Court,

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Speaker 1: the Dale and Michelle were arguing and Dale was upset

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Speaker 1: about the way that he came out looking on it,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's that day. It was just not

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Speaker 1: a good day for Dale or for Michelle. Okay, break

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Speaker 1: it down for me, John W. Dale, what do you

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Speaker 1: what's your perception of what happened on People's Court? Well,

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Speaker 1: certainly it was a bad experience for Michelle to go

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Speaker 1: to the People's Court. Is she didn't even want to

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Speaker 1: be involved in it and had a bad experience on

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Speaker 1: the filming. The way it came out just showed some

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Speaker 1: of the bad blood between the two of them, and

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Speaker 1: that like, like it said, it had been aired that day. Again,

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Speaker 1: a couple hours after it's there, she's over dropping off

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Speaker 1: the children to the fiance who obviously she used as

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Speaker 1: an extremely ex fiance, has an extremely stranged relationship with.

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Speaker 1: So okay, let me jump in, Yeah, jump in, who won?

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Speaker 1: Who said what? Who came out smelling like a rose?

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Speaker 1: And who's stuck like a scott? Okay, trying to hear

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Speaker 1: the judge basically said, y'all are going to split the

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Speaker 1: cost of the ring. Each one of you is going

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Speaker 1: to pay twenty five hundred. What came sounds fair to me,

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Speaker 1: It sounds fair. What came out was that he's a cheater,

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Speaker 1: that he's put his hands on her. So again, most

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Speaker 1: men would tell you, any man say that that's putting

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Speaker 1: perfume on the pig, put his hands on her on

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Speaker 1: the shoulder. No, that's not go ahead the truth. But

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Speaker 1: that's that's the quote she used. He should not have

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Speaker 1: put his hands on me. So I'm just saying that's

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Speaker 1: one of those things that came out, that he had

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Speaker 1: been abusive to her physically. So again, for a man,

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Speaker 1: any man would tell you in order, you know, for

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Speaker 1: you to put your hands on a woman, you're a punk,

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Speaker 1: You're just a piece of craft. So it made him

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Speaker 1: ultimately look bad. People weren't even talking about the ring.

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Speaker 1: They weren't interested in the ring. They were interested in

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Speaker 1: his treatment of her. And you didn't have one affair,

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Speaker 1: you had seven with different women. So he probably had

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Speaker 1: a few other women mad at him. So a lot

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Speaker 1: of dirty laundry was put out there. So the day

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Speaker 1: so what deal? He had seven affairs while they were together, Yes, ma'am,

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Speaker 1: and that and several affairs. And who would want to

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Speaker 1: sleep with a guy that's had seven affairs during the

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Speaker 1: relations You might as well just go up and go

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Speaker 1: out and jump in the cesspool. If you can't do that, okay.

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Speaker 1: I don't care about who he's been with or who

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Speaker 1: he dated during their relationship. I don't care about her

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Speaker 1: throwing the ring when he wanted it back. Sounds like

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Speaker 1: an amicable settlement. Each one paced for half of it.

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Speaker 1: But you know what I always say, when you don't

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Speaker 1: know a horse, look at his track record. I can

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Speaker 1: hear everybody on the panel rolling their eyes, but you

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Speaker 1: tell me if I'm wrong, Tyler, please run cut twenty two.

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Speaker 1: This is Lilia Luciano Attoday dot Com, Cut twenty two.

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Speaker 1: On September fifteenth of two thousand, Shannon was treated at

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Speaker 1: a South Carolina hospital for head injuries, and Smith was

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Speaker 1: arrested for criminal domestic battery. I remember when she came home.

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Speaker 1: There was a cut on her head and her feet

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Speaker 1: were cut up and it was through I think it

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Speaker 1: was through some concrete where she had been I don't

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Speaker 1: know if she was dragged or what, but her feet

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Speaker 1: were bloody. In a military court, Smith was convicted of

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Speaker 1: domestic battery and drug possession and was dishonorably discharged from

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Speaker 1: the Marines. When Shannon died, Smith was still serving time

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Speaker 1: for both charges, and that was not the first time

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Speaker 1: he had runnings with the law. In nineteen ninety two,

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Speaker 1: Smith fled no contest who attempted aggravated battery after a

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Speaker 1: fight in Orlando. He was given two years probation. In

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven, he pleaded guilty to battery charges and

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Speaker 1: served jail time. In two thousand and nine, Michelle Parker

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Speaker 1: filed a restraining order against Dale Smith, which a judge

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Speaker 1: later dissolved. So we see a track record of the fiance,

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Speaker 1: Dale Smith Junior. Now let me stress for the umtaped time.

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Speaker 1: He has not been arrested in the case a Michelle Parker.

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Speaker 1: She is still missing. So he has not been arrested,

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Speaker 1: he has not been found guilty. He has not been

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Speaker 1: in a court of law on this matter. We're not

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Speaker 1: in a courtroom right now. We're in a TV set

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Speaker 1: to doctor Bethany Marshall. Just because he's had acts of

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Speaker 1: violence against another woman, is not made. He's culpable in

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Speaker 1: this case. But it does give me a lot of insight.

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Speaker 1: What is a malignant narcissist you are telling me about

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Speaker 1: that earlier off air. A malignant narcissist is a very

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Speaker 1: important term in my field. It means that this is

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Speaker 1: a narcissist who wants to destroy everything around him when

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Speaker 1: he feels humiliated. So if somebody breaks up with him,

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Speaker 1: he wants to destroy her life. If you're a boss

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Speaker 1: a CEO of a company and somebody humiliates you, you

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Speaker 1: want to fire them from their job. It's the person.

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Speaker 1: It's like a little kid who's not winning the game,

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Speaker 1: so they just smash all the toys and you know,

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Speaker 1: walk off the playground. It's the adult version of that.

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Speaker 1: In fact, Nancy, there's a saying in my field about

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Speaker 1: sociopaths and narcissist death before dishonor homicide after humiliation, And

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Speaker 1: what that means is that they have a narcissistic collapse,

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Speaker 1: meaning they feel ashamed and bad about themselves. They could

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Speaker 1: be really vulnerable to suicide, but if they feel that

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Speaker 1: somebody else has humiliated them, they could be vulnerable to

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Speaker 1: lashing out in very destructive almost even sometimes homicidal wave

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Speaker 1: to Bianca Prieto, former Orlando Sentinel Crime and Justice reporter. Bianca,

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Speaker 1: the cell phone was ultimately found, where was it and

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Speaker 1: what if anything could be gleaned from her cell phone?

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Speaker 1: Michelle Sall which was really unique, had a unique case

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Speaker 1: on it was found tossed over a bridge under about

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Speaker 1: three or four feet of water. And if you're looking

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Speaker 1: at a map of Orlando, it's a straight shot from

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Speaker 1: the area where she was last seen dropping off the Twins,

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Speaker 1: direct shot into where her car was found. So give

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Speaker 1: was recovered that phone and they took a look at it.

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Speaker 1: But it's interesting where the cell phone was actually found.

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Speaker 1: Why you say that it shown to the path. It

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Speaker 1: shows the path of where she could her belongings. I

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Speaker 1: won't say she went, but where her belongings went from

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Speaker 1: one end of Orlando to the other side. It's just

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Speaker 1: a straight shot. You look at the map and it's

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Speaker 1: a straight shot tossed over a bridge into a body

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Speaker 1: of water on the side of town where she was

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Speaker 1: last seen. John W. Deal, where does the case stand

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Speaker 1: right now or it stands right now? Is that? Unfortunately

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Speaker 1: there's no closure. The body has not been found. There's

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Speaker 1: not been a charge against mister Smith, who was never prosecuted.

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Speaker 1: It is an open case obviously, with no body it's

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Speaker 1: very difficult to prosecute. Still and miss Stewart still feels

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00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: every day wondering, wondering what happened, wondering if there's some

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Speaker 1: some off chance that maybe her daughter's out there somewhere,

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Speaker 1: but she's you know, that's not a real realistic hope

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Speaker 1: at this point. If you have information, or you think

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Speaker 1: you may know something, please dial eight hundred four two

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Speaker 1: three tips Tips. That's eight hundred four two three eight

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Speaker 1: four seven seven Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off, Goodbye friend,