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Speaker 1: Wall with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and
Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. It is Wednesday, February twenty first two Thy eighteen,
Speaker 1: season thirteen, episode number one h three. Welcome to another
Speaker 1: edition of The Break, live from the s WBC Mortgage
Speaker 1: Studios at the start, joined by Nick Eatman and David Hellman.
Speaker 1: Amber Garcia is not with us today. She is out
Speaker 1: vacationing on the Beautiful Eye on the island of the
Speaker 1: Dominican Republic. We'll be back with us hopefully next week,
Speaker 1: actually the week after that, because next week, Dave, we'll
Speaker 1: be out at the Combine and we'll be doing draft
Speaker 1: shows all week. Next week, last week of the year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So we'll be back on the air after this show.
Speaker 1: We're back on the air in two weeks to talk
Speaker 1: some more Cowboys footbast The best week of the year
Speaker 1: for you, just or just in football, not every year.
Speaker 1: I say, like, there's a lot of ways you delimit that,
Speaker 1: and I still don't think it's true in any of them.
Speaker 1: I it's usually five degrees and you get to watch
Speaker 1: people in their underwear. It's true. It's just it's maybe
Speaker 1: he likes it. It's the whole. It's Tommy John. It's maybe, well,
Speaker 1: I'll have the Tommy John. I can't speak for the players.
Speaker 1: They'll probably be wearing something else. It's the whole, the
Speaker 1: whole kitten kaboodle. Like everybody in the league is there,
Speaker 1: and like the power brokers are there, and people are
Speaker 1: having meetings and doing stuff that's going to shape the
Speaker 1: league and all, like everybody in the media is there.
Speaker 1: So you get to see friends that you don't see
Speaker 1: that often. Maybe you get to go out and get
Speaker 1: dreat dinner or drinks with people you don't see that often.
Speaker 1: And obviously you get to you know, talk to and
Speaker 1: look at this incoming crop of draft guys, which if
Speaker 1: you're into the draft, that's really exciting. And the Joneses
Speaker 1: are gonna tell us some stuff about what's going on
Speaker 1: with the team. So it's just I mean sure, short
Speaker 1: of actually playing games, it's probably the most fun thing
Speaker 1: that happens on the Cowboys speed Any chance you can
Speaker 1: find me a social media person while you're out there,
Speaker 1: everybody around the leagues there, based on the way the
Speaker 1: last twenty four hours have gone, I bet you I'll
Speaker 1: get asked probably bring me twenty I'll be asked about
Speaker 1: it a couple dozen times. If I had to guess,
Speaker 1: it's maybe like the hottest job we've ever listed. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: I swear everybody in our office has brought me at
Speaker 1: least one person. It's well, you just opened it up.
Speaker 1: Well when I put it out on Twitter, I got
Speaker 1: plenty of responses there break listeners tweet at Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 1: I mean, are looking for a social media coordinators. It's
Speaker 1: one of the few jobs that like everybody in the
Speaker 1: world already does or thinks they can do. Well no, no,
Speaker 1: but they coordinate their own social media. Yeah, but that's
Speaker 1: a that's a loosely used term. It coordinates. But I'm
Speaker 1: just saying I've got Twitter, I've got Facebook, I can
Speaker 1: do this, right. That's what they think, no doubt. That's
Speaker 1: when they think. Derek puts their applications on the floor immediately.
Speaker 1: I don't do it that that abruptly, not that harshly. Okay,
Speaker 1: but all right, so let's get it. Let's get to it.
Speaker 1: We got a lot of things I want to talk
Speaker 1: about today. I want to, at some point talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about this franchise tag that the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: expected to use on DeMarcus Lawrence. Let's talk little. We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk a little bit about what that will mean
Speaker 1: for the team and how it may affect free agency.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about one particular player that has
Speaker 1: already been tagged that and how that could or could
Speaker 1: not affect the Cowboys. I want to talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about Combine. Actually, Dave, we're gonna give you an
Speaker 1: opportunity to give us some names for those of us
Speaker 1: who are not the draft nuts that have been listening
Speaker 1: to the Draft show every show, some names of people
Speaker 1: maybe we can follow at the combine next we can
Speaker 1: keep an eye on. But before we do that, Nick,
Speaker 1: I know, there was a little bit of a news
Speaker 1: report that we're kind of expecting to come out here
Speaker 1: over the next couple of days. It seems like there's
Speaker 1: nothing official at this point, but it seems like there
Speaker 1: are The Cowboys have kind of in putting the pieces
Speaker 1: together that they've gotten no point where they kind of
Speaker 1: have their coaching staff ready. We would expect that in
Speaker 1: the next few days or maybe an announcement on that.
Speaker 1: What do we know at this point? I expect it
Speaker 1: somewhere today between two and five is where I when
Speaker 1: I expect that tell people why. I mean, like, well,
Speaker 1: we have a company event that for our group to
Speaker 1: we're all going to be somewhere between two and five.
Speaker 1: And typically when that happens is a good times gets broken.
Speaker 1: So it's not really breaking news because most of the
Speaker 1: positions on the coaching staff that we've been talking about,
Speaker 1: we've already kind of loosely reported. For the Cowboys for
Speaker 1: some reason, have decided to lump all these in together
Speaker 1: for coaching even though they're here, they're they're wearing the
Speaker 1: Blue Star, they're eating, so they're kind of already on staff.
Speaker 1: But but what we'll get all of the entire coaching moves,
Speaker 1: and some of them are guys that are moving around.
Speaker 1: So just to kind of highlight that in case you've
Speaker 1: been keeping up with the little bits of the new
Speaker 1: hires include offensive line coach Paul Alexander has been with
Speaker 1: the Bengals for many many years. Um, Sanjay Lal is
Speaker 1: the wide receivers coach. Ye, the new receivers coach, Been
Speaker 1: Bloom is moving from UM just I guess special projects
Speaker 1: to he'll be the linebacker coach, replacing Madiberflus was in Indianapolis.
Speaker 1: Still Uh. Um Keith O'Quinn is the actually new special
Speaker 1: teams UH coordinator, replacing Rich Bisaccia. And then um those
Speaker 1: are oh also and probably the biggest news sorry, the
Speaker 1: biggest name is Chris Richard is the UM secondary coach.
Speaker 1: And in my opinion, I think that the new Eberflus
Speaker 1: on this staff of the guy that could move his
Speaker 1: way into a coordinator's position he had in Seattle, and
Speaker 1: Seattle's defense was really good obviously, and the secondary was
Speaker 1: the best part of that. Yeah. Other other names, assistant guys,
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Am I missing another position? Tight ends coach?
Speaker 1: Did they settle on one? Yeah? They did? They they too.
Speaker 1: I've forgotten, No, it's uh that we we've we announced it.
Speaker 1: I forgot exactly what his name was. Yeah. Um, they
Speaker 1: also are gonna hire assistant special team's coach. Are actually
Speaker 1: a defensive assistant ken a motto that that hasn't been
Speaker 1: announced yet. Oh yeah, it was Doug Yer. Forgot about that.
Speaker 1: Of all the guys that kind of an LSU for
Speaker 1: six days for like a cup of coffee. Yeah, for
Speaker 1: all the guys that we've kind of pieced together here,
Speaker 1: just kind of following you know what's happening with individual guys.
Speaker 1: Is there any particular area where you feel like the
Speaker 1: Cowboys upgraded or downgraded? Is there any I mean, it's
Speaker 1: hard to say with a coach that they downgraded because
Speaker 1: you just don't know what he's going to bring to
Speaker 1: the table until you see the results of what he does.
Speaker 1: But but even from the standpoint of just like upgraded,
Speaker 1: do you think there's an area you feel better about
Speaker 1: that position with whoever they brought in versus who was
Speaker 1: here last Yeah. Paul Alexander, I mean Paul Alexander to
Speaker 1: me is he's got so many years twenty five, twenty
Speaker 1: seven years with the Bengals. I think that you know,
Speaker 1: he's worked with players, developed them into all pros, into
Speaker 1: Pro Bowls. Now he's dealing with some first round guys
Speaker 1: that have already established there can take really great players
Speaker 1: maybe to another level. He's somebody that i've think can
Speaker 1: help this team. But there's two more that I would pick.
Speaker 1: We'll see what. The obvious one is Richard, which I
Speaker 1: feel bad saying that he's like an upgrade over Mattiberflus,
Speaker 1: because I think Matti Berflus was a hell of a coach.
Speaker 1: But I mean, you're getting a guy who was a
Speaker 1: coordinator last year for one of them, and has been
Speaker 1: involved with one of the best defenses in the league,
Speaker 1: and whose specialty is defensive backs. You just, I mean,
Speaker 1: you got to view that as as pretty exciting when
Speaker 1: you consider the resources this team is spent on defensive
Speaker 1: back in the last year or so. So, you know,
Speaker 1: and we've heard reports that Byron Jones might be moving
Speaker 1: to corner and Cheeto Woozier might be playing safety and
Speaker 1: all that whatever. I don't I don't know, and it
Speaker 1: seems unnecessary to speculate about it right now, to be honest,
Speaker 1: But but I mean, a guy like that having an
Speaker 1: influence on all those young dbs can only be a
Speaker 1: good thing. So, and you know, we hear the word
Speaker 1: coach a lot, which typically don't call them teachers, but
Speaker 1: there's one guy that has been dubbed that a lot,
Speaker 1: as this Sanjay Law from He's been different places as
Speaker 1: a wide receivers coach, but a really good teacher is
Speaker 1: what he keeps getting uh categorized as in this team,
Speaker 1: this wide receiver group needs to be taught I think better.
Speaker 1: I mean when it comes to to route running, when
Speaker 1: it comes to scheme one of what we're doing with
Speaker 1: different coverages and so um. Hopefully if he can do that.
Speaker 1: And I don't know what's going to happen receivers is
Speaker 1: you know, that's a whole other show. But if des
Speaker 1: does come back, let's give him the opportunity to have
Speaker 1: a different voice in the room a little bit, because
Speaker 1: I mean no offense to Derek Duly, but but I
Speaker 1: don't those receivers were kind of doing their own thing,
Speaker 1: and I think they needed a different voice. Whether or
Speaker 1: not they got the right one, they needed a different voice.
Speaker 1: I'll paraphrase quote I saw from from coach Alisle about
Speaker 1: is that how you pronounce it? Um? But one of
Speaker 1: the quote that I'll paraphrase it, it was basically saying
Speaker 1: that he believes in the art of route running and
Speaker 1: he believes that that's something that you have that that
Speaker 1: that is the most important characteristic of wide receivers that
Speaker 1: you have to work on. If that's the case, and
Speaker 1: if he rings that mentality here, I think it can
Speaker 1: only be good for this this wide receiving corps, which
Speaker 1: again I don't think they're bad wide receivers. I just
Speaker 1: don't think that they have not none of them in
Speaker 1: my opinion, other than maybe Cole is really quick, extremely
Speaker 1: quick or fast enough that even without great route running,
Speaker 1: they're going to get open um. But great route running
Speaker 1: makes guys who are okay like kind of fast, makes
Speaker 1: them much faster. It makes them play much faster. I think.
Speaker 1: So if you can get that, I think I think
Speaker 1: that helps helps your quarterback too. And knowing where the
Speaker 1: guy will will be at all times, when we know
Speaker 1: what kind of rout he's gonna run, and you know
Speaker 1: and he has a good understanding, they've got to be
Speaker 1: on the same page. I mean, something's got to change
Speaker 1: with the receiver position. Whether they're gonna be If it's
Speaker 1: not personnel, which it will be a little bit. If
Speaker 1: it's not contract um, it's gonna have to be their performance.
Speaker 1: And I think maybe you know different guy in the
Speaker 1: room will help. So those three he said it, Richard
Speaker 1: uh Sanjay Lyle, and I think Paul I was the
Speaker 1: inner or the three that are I think maybe the
Speaker 1: biggest changes there, I would agree. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: in my opinion, I think Richard is the biggest of
Speaker 1: the three because the thing that those two units have
Speaker 1: in common, the offensive line and the wide receivers, is
Speaker 1: they're full of veteran guys, whereas with the exception of
Speaker 1: Orlando Scandric true, everybody in the secondary is, you know,
Speaker 1: year three or younger. So I mean now, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, absolutely. I mean that we don't know
Speaker 1: what's gonna I mean, you don't really know. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you were and if you went down the list,
Speaker 1: if you went down the list and looked at you know,
Speaker 1: if you just said, hey, give me a name of
Speaker 1: a veteran player that's been here for a while, that
Speaker 1: if you thought he wasn't going to be here next year,
Speaker 1: the most likely one not to be here next year.
Speaker 1: I think more often than that, you probably here Orlando's name.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean it's going to happen that he will
Speaker 1: will not be here, but I think there's at least
Speaker 1: some you know, some people believe that there's a good
Speaker 1: chance he won't be speculation every year about anybody that's
Speaker 1: got a contract. I mean, that's pretty much. I'll say this,
Speaker 1: though this isn't the first year of that, you know,
Speaker 1: the speculation, and he did come back. His contract is
Speaker 1: not one that you have to get rid of. Act
Speaker 1: favorable getting rid of him would be more about we've
Speaker 1: let young guys are ready to play, and we want
Speaker 1: to get him on. But that being said, contracts that
Speaker 1: are favorable to keep are also favorable to trade typically. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you you know, if if he's somebody that you
Speaker 1: would want to try, and to be honest with that.
Speaker 1: The only reason I think it's it's even worth talking
Speaker 1: about is because the way Orlando was sounding was well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd be okay if I weren't here, like regardless, at
Speaker 1: least we had sounded to me. Regardless of whether he's
Speaker 1: here or not, eighty percent of the guys in that
Speaker 1: room next year are going to be twenty six or younger.
Speaker 1: I mean, so yeah, and the most veteran guy of
Speaker 1: the group is maybe changing positions right well him or well,
Speaker 1: he don't forget Jeff, Yeah, but even I mean Jeff's
Speaker 1: not exactly old either. I mean I've just finished his
Speaker 1: fourth year, so nobody's got into a second contract in
Speaker 1: that room. Jeff Goat year yeah, Okay, Joe years yeah,
Speaker 1: and Goat years, he's like thirty, he's thirty eight years.
Speaker 1: He's had one goat here. He is the three time
Speaker 1: leader in interceptions on this team three years in a row. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: that's a lot of about Jamis is not on the
Speaker 1: schedule and Rogers. It says a lot about Jeff Heath.
Speaker 1: I don't hear anything in the contrary. All right, let's
Speaker 1: jump into a free agency I'm sorry, franchise tag Cowboys
Speaker 1: or the NFL has just open up the franchise tagging period,
Speaker 1: where teams may place to tag on a player of
Speaker 1: their choosing. The Cowboys are expected to place the tag
Speaker 1: on de Marcus Lawrence. My first question for you guys
Speaker 1: is how much money is this going to cost? And
Speaker 1: I'll combine that with another question, is that and this
Speaker 1: is a point of clarification, I think fancy to understand,
Speaker 1: does that money as soon as you tag the player
Speaker 1: immediately hit the cap because it is a one year
Speaker 1: guaranteed deal, Does that immediately hit the cap? And then
Speaker 1: we'll talk about maybe how that affects the team. A
Speaker 1: couple of fun things there, which I assume the NFL
Speaker 1: has made this information in public to the teams. It's
Speaker 1: not public to us, but I assume the teams know
Speaker 1: because it seems ridiculous that you have to put a
Speaker 1: tag on a guy not knowing what his franchise cost is.
Speaker 1: But as I don't know what the numbers are, they're
Speaker 1: not publicly available. I mean you could go you can
Speaker 1: do the math and get a basic figured the idea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's I mean that you know the average salary the
Speaker 1: top five guys at the position, it would cost the
Speaker 1: Cowboys somewhere in the neighborhood of seventeen million dollars, like
Speaker 1: seventeen and a half million dollars to tag him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: That hits the cap. Yeah, and it hits the cap immediately.
Speaker 1: It's part of I mean, when you you have to
Speaker 1: be under the salary cap on March fourteenth, at the
Speaker 1: start of the new league year, that's part of it.
Speaker 1: If you put the tag on DeMarcus, that's accounting for
Speaker 1: seventeen million dollars of your caps. So it's that big
Speaker 1: a number. Seventeen million. Do the Cowboys have to do
Speaker 1: anything as far as player movement to get seventeen million
Speaker 1: on their cap for this year without going over no
Speaker 1: at they're at something like nineteen or twenty. The problem
Speaker 1: is not getting under, which it has been in recent years.
Speaker 1: The problem is not getting under the problem is if
Speaker 1: you tagged a Marcus and don't sign him, then the
Speaker 1: tag money is eating into what you can spend on
Speaker 1: other people a lot, which even that's not necessarily a problem.
Speaker 1: You can restructure a lot of contracts. I doubt they
Speaker 1: will like you. Just look. You look around, and it
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like a good idea to be playing with
Speaker 1: people's money. I mean, we've talked at nauseam already about
Speaker 1: maybe you want to get rid of Dez, so I
Speaker 1: don't know why you would push his money forward. But
Speaker 1: there are other guys you could consider. Tyrn Smith is
Speaker 1: a guy, but he's had two straight years of back injuries.
Speaker 1: Do you want to mess with his money? Frederick is
Speaker 1: the one guy that really makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: You assume he's going to be fine, So I would
Speaker 1: imagine they'll redo his deal at some point, which I
Speaker 1: think frees up something like seven million in space. Because
Speaker 1: you do something like that with now, maybe you don't
Speaker 1: want to because you don't know if his long term viability,
Speaker 1: But somebody like Crawford who makes it a significant amount
Speaker 1: of money. Because I'm thinking about contracts that are eating
Speaker 1: up a significant amount of money, are there ways to
Speaker 1: decrease that amount to hit your cap this year? Yeah?
Speaker 1: The answer is almost always yeah. But I think Tyrone
Speaker 1: is in a similar boat, where like and I haven't
Speaker 1: looked at this. I should have looked at this before
Speaker 1: we went on the show. I'm sorry, but if you
Speaker 1: if you bump his money this year, then it makes
Speaker 1: it harder to cut him next year, Whereas, like the
Speaker 1: way it is right now, if you just absolutely want
Speaker 1: to get out of his deal, you could do it
Speaker 1: pretty easily next year. So it's all a matter of
Speaker 1: us and how much do you want money right now
Speaker 1: versus how much do you want your salary cap to
Speaker 1: be healthy? In the longest, That speaks volumes to what
Speaker 1: this team is because you can't find a lot of
Speaker 1: guys that are locked up that you feel really great about.
Speaker 1: I mean, because Frederick is one of them, and that's
Speaker 1: why he's a candidate. Zach Martin didn't have a big
Speaker 1: contract yet Tyron Smith is a yes, you like what
Speaker 1: he's doing, but injury wise kind of scares you. Tyrone Crawfords,
Speaker 1: a guy's got a lot of money. But like they've said,
Speaker 1: Dave's already talking about how next year you might cut
Speaker 1: him because you just don't know. If he has another
Speaker 1: year where you're just like, well it's pretty good, then
Speaker 1: he's making you know, he's upside down. And that's also
Speaker 1: the thing about having a young team, right, you got
Speaker 1: a relatively young team. Your quarterback doesn't make a lot
Speaker 1: of money, your star running back doesn't make a lot
Speaker 1: of money. There are a lot of guys on this
Speaker 1: team who are playing significant roles for you that don't
Speaker 1: that haven't gotten that second contract yet. They will. But well,
Speaker 1: and I would also argue factor you have to think about,
Speaker 1: especially from Zeke standpoint. You know Zeke, Well, I say
Speaker 1: that I don't know for sure ye Zeke's not making
Speaker 1: a little bit of money, like that's true, he is.
Speaker 1: Comparing Zeke's contract to Dax is not very fair. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's on the books for like twenty four million. Thing
Speaker 1: about the about that contract though, too, And this is
Speaker 1: just the point of note, it's not guaranteed. Right that
Speaker 1: there's nothing guaranteed about it, So, uh, you know that
Speaker 1: doesn't that certainly that certainly will allow you to maybe
Speaker 1: restructure him if you wanted to. And I don't know
Speaker 1: the rules that there are rules about the first contract
Speaker 1: and you're restructuring a first contract or not. But um,
Speaker 1: I want to say you can can't what you get
Speaker 1: coming out of college, what you get. Teams don't do it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm yeah, I've not really heard of it,
Speaker 1: so that's yeah, I got to look into that. But
Speaker 1: that's not a thing that teams do, for one, and
Speaker 1: I assume it's CBA related. So it's just most of
Speaker 1: this team's like big money contracts don't look great right now.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Tyron Smith signed like the most team friendly
Speaker 1: deal in the history of team so did Shan Lee? Right, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: and which you don't want to touch Sean's money based
Speaker 1: on you know everything you know about him. And I've
Speaker 1: said over and over again, I think Tyron's gonna be
Speaker 1: fine in the long run, but it sounds kind of
Speaker 1: scary to be pushing his money forward when he has
Speaker 1: been as banged up as he has the last two years.
Speaker 1: So you kind of have a shortage of options when
Speaker 1: it comes to freeing up that salary cap space, which
Speaker 1: and I think that's why you've heard so many people
Speaker 1: talking about this. The big one is is Zach Martin
Speaker 1: because he in it's not the franchise tag, but he's
Speaker 1: basically set to play on a one year deal right
Speaker 1: now too because of his fifth year option he's supposed
Speaker 1: to play. He's on a one year deal that's going
Speaker 1: to count something like nine and a half million towards
Speaker 1: the salary cap, which is why go ahead, get that
Speaker 1: Get get that extension out of the way, and it
Speaker 1: can help even though it's a big figure, it can
Speaker 1: help your cap in the long run because you would
Speaker 1: imagine his year one charge would be less than what
Speaker 1: his charges right now. So those are the two things
Speaker 1: that I look at, um signing Zach Martin and maybe
Speaker 1: finagling with Travis Frederick's money. You could all Um Whitten's
Speaker 1: another guy, and if you just assume he's going to
Speaker 1: play forever, you could probably do something with his money.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't you assume he's yeah, exactly, So he just signed
Speaker 1: an extension last year or so, he's got four years
Speaker 1: that you can push into the future or whatever. So
Speaker 1: I mean there's a couple options. Like I think when
Speaker 1: it's all said and done, even with putting the tag
Speaker 1: on DeMarcus Lawrence, I think they'll probably have something like
Speaker 1: six to eight million in cap room to play with.
Speaker 1: So to avoid all that is obviously getting a deal
Speaker 1: done with him. And we're gonna hold you on that one.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take our first break when we come back.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about that. Should Should the fans
Speaker 1: expect that they're going to do a deal with DeMarcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence that will ease some of that burden from seventy
Speaker 1: million hit this year? Well do that when we come
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Speaker 1: of The Break live from the s WBC Mortgage studios
Speaker 1: at the Star. We're talking franchise tags and we're talking
Speaker 1: about the Marcus Lawrence what the Cowboys are gonna do
Speaker 1: with him. Dave, you got something to say just every
Speaker 1: football fans favorite topic, bookkeeping. Yeah, whoo, man, it's this
Speaker 1: time of the year where you're like, man, I would
Speaker 1: love to have a game coming up this Sunday. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I mean I can't speak for everybody, but like, I
Speaker 1: enjoy that aspect of it. I like team building, and
Speaker 1: finagling the money and the rosters. I wish I feel
Speaker 1: like I've got a pretty good grasp on it for somebody,
Speaker 1: for a layman, so to spit. But I wish I
Speaker 1: could be more involved in it. You know. I like
Speaker 1: following it, and I don't remember. I'm pretty sure you
Speaker 1: were not here during this that one year when we
Speaker 1: had the I don't know if what you called lockout,
Speaker 1: whatever it was, the work stopping that year. Free agency
Speaker 1: was fun because basically everything got compared to neigh were
Speaker 1: gonna say, he wasn't remembering it kind of started out
Speaker 1: that way. I thought you were talking about something else. Yeah, right, no,
Speaker 1: but but just that because everything was contracted because it's
Speaker 1: get to weight, and once players were allowed to come back,
Speaker 1: then there was like a period of what nicke a week,
Speaker 1: two weeks when guys were getting signed and so like
Speaker 1: across the league. And I like following across the league
Speaker 1: all the movement of players. But when you put all
Speaker 1: that into a short period of time, oh man, it
Speaker 1: was a blast. I remember it as a fan, like
Speaker 1: twelve hours after it was over, like the Saints had
Speaker 1: signed Darren Sproles and all this other I was just
Speaker 1: like crazy. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. I
Speaker 1: wish And actually there was some talk at the time, like, shit,
Speaker 1: the NFL maybe consider like doing that, like making your
Speaker 1: free agency period be a finite amount of time, so
Speaker 1: there's like a two week period of three week period
Speaker 1: with all free agency has to happen. And I thought
Speaker 1: that that'd be a great, great move because it does
Speaker 1: it forces teams to, you know, either do it or don't,
Speaker 1: but everything's going to be compacted in this period of time.
Speaker 1: I don't think you could really do that with all
Speaker 1: the different circumstances around the league and reasons why guys
Speaker 1: hang around, But it would be nice if there was
Speaker 1: a way, you know, like we always it's it's a
Speaker 1: strategy team's use, like you can kind of hold guy's
Speaker 1: hostage and like let the money bleed out before you
Speaker 1: try to you know. I wish there was a way
Speaker 1: to make a rule against that so that teams couldn't
Speaker 1: just leverage against players and stuff like don't you look
Speaker 1: at like around the league, around sports and other leagues.
Speaker 1: It just I mean the NBA for one, and just think, man,
Speaker 1: what a mess that is now? We might you might
Speaker 1: like if you were in it, you might understand it
Speaker 1: a lot better. But when you say that mess where
Speaker 1: you're talking about what you saying, Well, I'm just talking
Speaker 1: about just the way the contracts are where Jeremy Lynn
Speaker 1: can trigger something in his deal and he makes twelve
Speaker 1: million dollars or something like that. NBA is like another language.
Speaker 1: I mean, like trade guys for the purposes of cutting them. Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like your trade a guy, I'm trading to get him
Speaker 1: so I can get can get rid of his contract snacks,
Speaker 1: contracts and salary dumps and all that. It's like a
Speaker 1: whole nother I don't understand it at all. I'm sure
Speaker 1: if we were on you know, MAVs Break, I guess
Speaker 1: maybe we'd have more to talk about there and be
Speaker 1: able to figure that out. But I just can't and
Speaker 1: we'd haven't. I can't talk about Well, yeah, let's let's
Speaker 1: go and move on from that. Yeah, um good, Let's
Speaker 1: let's talk about more on the franchise tag with the
Speaker 1: Marcus Lawrence Nick. You started talking about that before we
Speaker 1: went to break and just talking about the fact that,
Speaker 1: you know, how does this affect you then from the
Speaker 1: standpoint of does that force you to now move a
Speaker 1: little quicker if you wanted to sign to Marcus Larrence
Speaker 1: to do that a little faster to free up more money.
Speaker 1: Do you think that affects their their thought process and
Speaker 1: what they're doing with him? Well, I think it should.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know you're gonna you're gonna try to
Speaker 1: get a deal done. I mean. And the thing that
Speaker 1: that it does is you know you're talking about they've
Speaker 1: talked about like not knowing the number and all that.
Speaker 1: I think it's probably a good thing. I think teams
Speaker 1: are glad that it's not out there because you know,
Speaker 1: they're not necessarily saying that they're gonna tag him. Obviously
Speaker 1: it's an option. But even when it's thrown out there
Speaker 1: like that, that's that's the starting point. Once you tag
Speaker 1: him and now you have to work on getting a deal.
Speaker 1: That's the starting point. Seventeen million per season, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, or at least is it though? I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, because when I look at it, there is
Speaker 1: there is a price. Yeah, the starting point. Because I'm
Speaker 1: saying that, it doesn't mean it doesn't go down, right,
Speaker 1: But you you already gave me a tag. I got you, yea.
Speaker 1: So now that's factored in that becomes leverage to some
Speaker 1: degree for right side. Oh you want to make me
Speaker 1: fourteen a year or thirteen a year, and that's fine,
Speaker 1: six years, you know, I mean, or something like that.
Speaker 1: So or I'll just take the seventeen for a year.
Speaker 1: I could always just do that and then I'll go
Speaker 1: back next year and somebody else will pay me fifteen
Speaker 1: for a year after that. So yeah, that's what makes
Speaker 1: this and that's you know, it's out there, and that's
Speaker 1: sort of the accepted strategy is that the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: going to wait until the deadline, which is mark March sixth,
Speaker 1: to put the tag onto Marcus because they want to
Speaker 1: try to get a deal done. I just don't think
Speaker 1: that's realistic at all, really, yeah, because what's what's what
Speaker 1: would be the hold up? What holds this this kind
Speaker 1: of deal up from getting done the fact that I
Speaker 1: assume the Cowboys don't want to make him the highest
Speaker 1: paid defensive end in football. I assume would you think
Speaker 1: that that's what he would be asking for. I think
Speaker 1: he could come close to getting it on the open market.
Speaker 1: I mean, Olivier Vernon got eighty five million dollars two
Speaker 1: years ago, and his career production was awfully similar to Lawrence's.
Speaker 1: I mean, and Lawrence has had back problems two of
Speaker 1: the four years of his career. He broke his foot
Speaker 1: as a rookie and got suspended his third season, like
Speaker 1: there's and on top of that, and for those reasons
Speaker 1: and others, he's only had one like really really quality season.
Speaker 1: He had a pretty good year in fifteen, and then
Speaker 1: last year obviously he really blew up. So I don't
Speaker 1: know that, I don't know that the track record is
Speaker 1: there to just want to hand him this crazy amount
Speaker 1: of money. And and and Nick's right, like that's the starting point.
Speaker 1: So I just did the math. I mean, seventeen over
Speaker 1: four seventy million and seventeen over five is eighty five.
Speaker 1: So you're talking about a significant chunk of money for
Speaker 1: a guy that I wouldn't be surprised if they're not
Speaker 1: convinced he's worth it. But that kind of deal, you're
Speaker 1: not guaranteeing the last year two years, No, but I
Speaker 1: mean you're probably talking about half of that being guaranteed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe about half of Vernon Vernon got fifty two guaranteed
Speaker 1: or something like that. And like I mean, Olivier Vernon
Speaker 1: had like twenty five Cree or Sacks when he got
Speaker 1: that deal, Like, is it fair? No, But the open
Speaker 1: markets out there and there are teams with hundreds of
Speaker 1: million dollars of cap space who would be happy to
Speaker 1: pay him. And if I'm Lawrence in his agent, I
Speaker 1: have all the leverage without all the leverage, but he's
Speaker 1: got some pretty good leverage right now to be like,
Speaker 1: I don't have to do anything for a while. I'm
Speaker 1: not signing anything until March. What's the deadline? Sixth is
Speaker 1: the deadline to put the tag on him? He doesn't
Speaker 1: have to sign anything until July. Yeah, sixth that I
Speaker 1: wouldn't do anything until March sixth, because make them give
Speaker 1: me the tag or a deal that I can't refuse, right,
Speaker 1: you know? And because then once you give him the tag,
Speaker 1: then you well you tagged me. But even at that,
Speaker 1: is it not a smart move for him? Even after
Speaker 1: he gets to tag, Let's assume they give him the
Speaker 1: tag on March six is it not a good idea
Speaker 1: for him to then at that point say I'm not
Speaker 1: doing a deal until I see what happens if free agency,
Speaker 1: because that helps shape his deal as well. I don't
Speaker 1: know what other defensive ends are out there, but that
Speaker 1: will help shape the market. Sure he will say, Hey,
Speaker 1: that guy over there didn't have as many sacks as
Speaker 1: I did. He got this mount right right, so that
Speaker 1: that also can help him. I would assume he can
Speaker 1: go the other way too, if those guys are less
Speaker 1: than what he's shooting for. But I certainly think that
Speaker 1: that's that could also be a part of the thinking, right.
Speaker 1: I guess I'll play Devil's advocate for a minute too
Speaker 1: and say, you know, you know DeMarcus has said before,
Speaker 1: you know he loves the organization. He knows how they
Speaker 1: feel about him. They've been loyal to him, all that
Speaker 1: good stuff. Maybe if they if they make him an
Speaker 1: offer that he think is fair that maybe doesn't reach
Speaker 1: up into that stratosphere, maybe he'd be willing to sign it,
Speaker 1: just because that's the type of dude he is. But
Speaker 1: that's what agents are for. And I think any any
Speaker 1: talking out, any good agent would be like, nah, man, no,
Speaker 1: we're not doing that. And so to your point, I
Speaker 1: could be wrong, But like I don't remember very often
Speaker 1: where a franchise tag guy signs a new deal before
Speaker 1: May June July, Like you're not gonna get tagged and
Speaker 1: then sign Yeah, wall free agent media going on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just not that's one of the benefits of waiting
Speaker 1: is that you do get a chance to see mats
Speaker 1: on the front. Homeboy over here got X amount of money,
Speaker 1: So yeah, coming to the table with at least that
Speaker 1: or don't even worry about it, that type of For years,
Speaker 1: it was the Raiders. Raiders would sign guys to these
Speaker 1: deals that just totally messed up the whole market. They do.
Speaker 1: You remember that they were, you know, well, this kind
Speaker 1: of got this money. Every year, they'd mess up the
Speaker 1: draft and they mess up free agent. It's like, God,
Speaker 1: what are y'all doing? Messed up the whole league? You know,
Speaker 1: for and the Redskins have kind of done that a
Speaker 1: little bit too. You know, Redskins sign some a lot
Speaker 1: of high profile players and they get them done, you
Speaker 1: know front, And to be honest, Cowboys at a period
Speaker 1: when they were kind of stuff as well. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: anytime you overpay for anybody kind of it changes the market.
Speaker 1: So it's not just you're right, it's not just Raiders Redskins.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys have done it too. They haven't done it
Speaker 1: as much lately. Yeah, they've kind of changed that much.
Speaker 1: But you know, one thing that the Cowboys have done
Speaker 1: is they'll look at what works around in the league.
Speaker 1: They see that, they see what New England has done
Speaker 1: at times with the two tight ends, and then they
Speaker 1: were going to do the two tight ends. And now
Speaker 1: that they've seen with these little slot receivers, and they
Speaker 1: tried to do the same thing. And so it. Eagles
Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl and they've done a lot of
Speaker 1: it with free agency and guys in I will be
Speaker 1: surprised if the Cowboys have another free agent year where
Speaker 1: they just sit back and don't do anything, and I'll
Speaker 1: be surprised. I don't think it's just the Eagles. I
Speaker 1: think it's the Eagles. And you go back a couple
Speaker 1: of years. I mean the Giants did they remake their defense,
Speaker 1: But the Broncos they won a Super Bowl off of
Speaker 1: revamping their defense. So through free agency, yeah, so I
Speaker 1: think I think there's been a lot of instances here
Speaker 1: in the last three to five years where teams have
Speaker 1: kind of changed their fortunes. If you have a good team,
Speaker 1: you can take your team over the hump by going
Speaker 1: out and spending a little bit in free agent. I
Speaker 1: don't think it'll be crazy year. I do think they'll
Speaker 1: they'll be more active though, I really do. I'm interested
Speaker 1: to see. I tend to want to agree with you,
Speaker 1: but like I just where's the money gonna come? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the thing for me. It's gonna you know, realism,
Speaker 1: and you're right, and it's gonna have to you know.
Speaker 1: And that's maybe that's the selling point to DeMarcus. It's like, listen,
Speaker 1: if you want to be here, we want you here.
Speaker 1: You want to be here, let's play. You know, we're
Speaker 1: gonna sit here and play games all you want to.
Speaker 1: But if you if we if you wait all the
Speaker 1: way until June or July and we get this deal done,
Speaker 1: and you shave off seventeen million to counting about five
Speaker 1: or six million this year, how does that help us? Now?
Speaker 1: You want to help us. You wanted some a badass
Speaker 1: safety or a corner or another defensive tackle. Let's do
Speaker 1: this deal. Let's it's good for all about It's gonna
Speaker 1: be good in April and May two, and it gives
Speaker 1: us money to be players in free agency. That's I
Speaker 1: think the sale to DeMarcus of why, hey, you're gonna
Speaker 1: be here, help us and and let's sign these guys.
Speaker 1: And in going back to what Dave said, he it
Speaker 1: seems like a good guy, seems like a guy that
Speaker 1: kind of has perspective. Maybe that is something that resonates
Speaker 1: with him and makes him say if I think, now,
Speaker 1: if I think it's a fair deal, like it's not.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't be something where I'm just taking a hometown
Speaker 1: discount to take a homecount at hometown to say, but
Speaker 1: if I think it's a fair deal and it's like,
Speaker 1: this is what I think I'm worth and maybe it's
Speaker 1: not the highest paid guy, but I think I'm worth
Speaker 1: this and I feel good about it, then maybe that
Speaker 1: does get it done. This is the same guy who
Speaker 1: celebrated Sacks last year by taking money out of a safe.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. We'll see, but if there's if
Speaker 1: there's one thing, I don't know, if there's this, I
Speaker 1: feel a lot better about this than I did about
Speaker 1: the death situation when it happened three years ago. Because
Speaker 1: Marcus has said time and time again like he really
Speaker 1: doesn't care, and he's he's not a politician, like he's
Speaker 1: gonna tell you exactly how he feels. He has never
Speaker 1: been shy about that, and he said and nothing. He's like,
Speaker 1: my age is gonna take care of that. I know.
Speaker 1: I'm here he at the Pro Bowl. He said, tags fine,
Speaker 1: contracts fine. I was like, you're the first player to
Speaker 1: ever say that, Like, I don't remember anybody sounding so
Speaker 1: lazy fair about getting tagged. But the fact of the
Speaker 1: matter is, if you play defensive end, if you play quarterback,
Speaker 1: if you play cornerback, taking the franchise tag, although there's
Speaker 1: the risk of not having a long term the amount
Speaker 1: of money you make changes your life and the generation,
Speaker 1: generational well of your family. So I agree with him, Like,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna give me seventeen million for a year,
Speaker 1: and I'll bet on myself on that, then I'll take
Speaker 1: that seventeen million because that's already gonna change my life
Speaker 1: in my kid's life. But on top of it, if
Speaker 1: I have another good year, I'm back to the same
Speaker 1: point next year and can make either even more as
Speaker 1: as a franchise tag player or if I go into
Speaker 1: free agency. And football players are a lot like sports
Speaker 1: writers in that they're probably not that good in math.
Speaker 1: Sports writers aren't good for yourself, just like I can't
Speaker 1: tell them. I can't do base. But every arithmetic but basic,
Speaker 1: even even the basic can tell you if I get
Speaker 1: seventeen checks and I'm making seventeen million, that's pretty good.
Speaker 1: That's about a million a check about Now. Wait, there's
Speaker 1: gonna be a part that's gonna be taken out of that.
Speaker 1: I understand. Bump me out. I might get half a million. Realism,
Speaker 1: I'm half a million a week. But hey, go ahead,
Speaker 1: I see your point, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: I just think that when somebody told that to him, like,
Speaker 1: I'll take that million a week. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, right, yes, please, yeah,
Speaker 1: and he should. I mean he you know, he's in
Speaker 1: a he's in a win win situation. But um, but
Speaker 1: like I said, if the Cowboys go to him and
Speaker 1: say that scenario, like, you'll help us here so we
Speaker 1: can be players, the better be players. Yeah, they better
Speaker 1: do it. Don't don't don't. Oh well I just didn't
Speaker 1: work out. Better better go and and and do that,
Speaker 1: and so hopefully it'll you know, it's gonna work out.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be here. Um, it's it's not the first
Speaker 1: guy though that you know that the Cowboys are in
Speaker 1: a tough situation. You can go back to the last
Speaker 1: ten years and find players where, for whatever the reason,
Speaker 1: you have to make a tough decision on um that
Speaker 1: it was contract time and we haven't. You know, when
Speaker 1: Zach Martin comes up, everyone knows what Zach Martin is like. Okay,
Speaker 1: so he deserves it. But it didn't always work out
Speaker 1: with Miles Austin needed a contract and he'd done it
Speaker 1: for a year. Doug Free needed a contract, he'd done
Speaker 1: it for half a year. Tony Romo needed a con
Speaker 1: track and he's done it for ten games. It happens
Speaker 1: where you're just like, well, we have to decide here,
Speaker 1: and it's not. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. But
Speaker 1: that's also the reason why I'm of the belief that
Speaker 1: that argument right there is what makes me think that
Speaker 1: a guy like Orlando could be gone. Is because I
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys more and more thinking when we get
Speaker 1: these young guys in here, we gotta get them on
Speaker 1: the field as soon as possible, and that's our way
Speaker 1: to be able to know when it's time for that contract.
Speaker 1: We know what they are, so we know whether we
Speaker 1: need to invest the money in them or not. And
Speaker 1: based on what they saw last year, I think they
Speaker 1: have reason to believe that, given opportunities, that maybe, just
Speaker 1: maybe those two cornerbacks that they drafted can be long
Speaker 1: term fits for them. And so from that standpoint, they
Speaker 1: may be like, we just got to get these guys
Speaker 1: on the film playing more because we need to know
Speaker 1: who they are by the time it's time to make
Speaker 1: a decision on their contracts. Yeah, and that's I mean,
Speaker 1: that's true. But you can lose games with cornerbacks. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that they did. But it's a tricky and
Speaker 1: it's a it's a dangerous game to play. But they
Speaker 1: played it last year. I made it last year, and
Speaker 1: they played it without any real understanding of what those
Speaker 1: cornerbacks were. They played it to a dangerous yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: So if they would do it last year, what makes
Speaker 1: you think they wouldn't. Initially they got a lot more
Speaker 1: information to work on this year. Again, they I think
Speaker 1: those two guys played admirably for a rookie quarterback. They
Speaker 1: were they were rookies to a tea. I mean, they
Speaker 1: gave up some play some touchdowns, some pass interference, latent games,
Speaker 1: but they also played well throughout the game. You know
Speaker 1: where it's like you know they were helping you they
Speaker 1: were getting off the field, and they weren't making interceptions
Speaker 1: really one each. But I've gotten used to not having. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they definitely give you some some like Okay, if
Speaker 1: this is if they're going to get better than this,
Speaker 1: then you know, we have a chance to be pretty good.
Speaker 1: Assuming Cheeto stays at the corner, you know. And I
Speaker 1: know I've been on here and said that I would
Speaker 1: look at him at safety, but I know and a
Speaker 1: lot I mean, I get my Twitter. He gets kind
Speaker 1: of blown up when I do that because people don't.
Speaker 1: They're like, we finally have a good physical corner. Why
Speaker 1: can't we just can't. I like the size at corner,
Speaker 1: Like that's the other thing. There's some big receivers in
Speaker 1: this division. Like I like the size at corner. And
Speaker 1: you know, you forget that Brandon Marshalls still sitting over
Speaker 1: there in New York. Now, I assume he's gonna still
Speaker 1: be there everyto another year. It's a big guy, all
Speaker 1: Shan Jeffreys a big guy. Like there's some big guys
Speaker 1: you have to face in this division. I like having
Speaker 1: some size like right now that there's not a lot
Speaker 1: right Well, we'll see see if Byron Jones is playing
Speaker 1: there or not. But you know, all of a it
Speaker 1: becomes kind of a bizze at size and skill. Like
Speaker 1: I just I wasn't that impressed with him as a cornerback.
Speaker 1: I thought he was decent. I didn't think he was
Speaker 1: like moving him back to me is not, Oh, we're
Speaker 1: going to get better premium value. It's let's just see
Speaker 1: if we can find someplace for him to play. Well,
Speaker 1: we'll just I just look at body type. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: was getting carried too many times. The tackle that Cheeto
Speaker 1: made on mars Shawn Lynch. I don't care what Marshawn
Speaker 1: did afterwards and what he said to him on the bench.
Speaker 1: He went back five yards, three yards or whatever. I
Speaker 1: mean he felt that just as much as Cheeto did.
Speaker 1: That looks like a safety type play. To me, whatever
Speaker 1: they do is fine, And hopefully they'll bring another safety
Speaker 1: in and you know, I'll be campaigning for that move
Speaker 1: if they along with you, if they do that. But yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, all rights, Yeah you do. Everybody. I thought
Speaker 1: I thought I was the safety guy. That's been my
Speaker 1: thing since like mid season last year. Well, but I
Speaker 1: think everybody. I think everybody, all of us are in agreement.
Speaker 1: That if that were to happen, if that guy were
Speaker 1: to end up here, then I think, oh, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what we're talking about. I wasn't that guy up here.
Speaker 1: I think we're all we're all very happy about something
Speaker 1: like that. I'm firmly just don't even don't. Let's deal.
Speaker 1: We probably should be et come home. Let's deal. And
Speaker 1: he did say come get me, right, he said come
Speaker 1: get me, bring me home. Right, y'all are acting like
Speaker 1: fanboys right now, let's just deal in reality. While right,
Speaker 1: my god, if they could sign any LSU player, you'd
Speaker 1: be like, bring it. That's not true. I mean not
Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson at the end of his contract, at the
Speaker 1: ready to go, he wants to come to Dallas. Would
Speaker 1: you not be geeked? If Arizona let Patrick Peterson go?
Speaker 1: I would assume it's because his play has dipped to
Speaker 1: an unbelievable degree, because like that dude's never leaving there
Speaker 1: as long as he keeps playing. At the point, you
Speaker 1: didn't even answer my question, you'd want for whatever reason
Speaker 1: he was, for whatever reason he was available, Would you
Speaker 1: not be asked? Geeks? Did I not sit on this
Speaker 1: podcast three weeks ago? And crap all over the idea
Speaker 1: of signing Jarvis Landry. He's not Patrick Peterson through, So
Speaker 1: I'm just saying when he's got that whatever he said that,
Speaker 1: he did say that. Now if it if it was O'Dell, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I got the real one. I got the throw the badger.
Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah, yeah, yeah, he's already blessing right now, like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, bring him over, bring him over. It's my guy.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take our final break. We'll come back.
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Speaker 1: the Break Welcome Back. It is the final segment of
Speaker 1: the Break Life from the s WBC Mortgage Studios. At
Speaker 1: the Star talked a little bit about franchise tag and
Speaker 1: now I want to talk a little bit about the combine.
Speaker 1: Let's look at some of these guys that are coming
Speaker 1: out of college and they're filling the music over there,
Speaker 1: give us a scouting report for the combine that will
Speaker 1: start next week. Tell us a few names of some
Speaker 1: guys that you think are worth keeping an eye on,
Speaker 1: and I want you, at some point in that give
Speaker 1: us one guy that's become kind of your pet cat,
Speaker 1: one guy that in this process you've kind of fallen
Speaker 1: in love with, Like, hey, I really liked this player.
Speaker 1: If the Cowboys were to land this guy, it would
Speaker 1: be a game changer at whatever point, whether that's the
Speaker 1: first round guy, whether that's the second, third, fourth round guy,
Speaker 1: at least point once you give us one of those guys.
Speaker 1: All right, okay, yeah, I can do that. All right. Well, Act,
Speaker 1: here's the reason why I was not on y'all's wavelength
Speaker 1: at all about um about Earl Thomas back there in
Speaker 1: the last segment is because I'm sitting here, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys needed safety. And his name's Derwin James, which right,
Speaker 1: And that's that's the funny thing about the combine is
Speaker 1: like right here on February twenty first, you know, we
Speaker 1: got the TV's in the studio of James of Florida
Speaker 1: State University. You're right, You're right, Derwin James safety at
Speaker 1: a Florida State University. Um right, I'm February twenty first,
Speaker 1: Like we really have no idea, Like there's so much
Speaker 1: that still needs to be solidified. Which to the point
Speaker 1: that Derwin James is a name, you hear a lot
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys at nineteen, Like maybe he's in that
Speaker 1: twelve to nineteen range that it's realistic to think. But
Speaker 1: we will be at the combine next week where a
Speaker 1: lot of these guys are going to um to work out, run, jump,
Speaker 1: do all that stuff. And Derwin James is a physical freak. Uh,
Speaker 1: Like I think I don't know if he's going to
Speaker 1: put up Byron Jones numbers, but I think it'll be similar.
Speaker 1: So physical freak physical like his his actual physical makeup
Speaker 1: or in his his athletic ability, I mean a little
Speaker 1: bit of both. Like I mean he's he's he's a
Speaker 1: safety here, I'll pull up his measurables. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: he can play strong, he can play free. Oh he's
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that's that can't be right. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: he's he's six three two eleven ish give or take.
Speaker 1: He can play strong, he can play strong, he can
Speaker 1: play free. He can. He's played outside in a pinch. Um.
Speaker 1: The Seminoles used him as like a nickel, a big
Speaker 1: nickel linebacker guy, like he can do all that type
Speaker 1: of stuff for you. I think he'd be a day
Speaker 1: one starter here, Um interceptions? Does he does he get
Speaker 1: he was hurt one year? Well, I mean just you
Speaker 1: know as he round the balls, he'd make plays like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, because you know me make the I don't
Speaker 1: think Byron Jones when he looked at all his stuff.
Speaker 1: You know he has great numbers and he could run
Speaker 1: and jump obviously, Uh he well, he only played two
Speaker 1: games in twenty sixteen because he tores meniscus. He played
Speaker 1: twelve last year and had two eighty four tackles, five
Speaker 1: tackles for lost, two sacks or two picks, one of
Speaker 1: those return for a touchdown. Um. I just he's got
Speaker 1: he's got sky high potential based mainly on his athleticism,
Speaker 1: which my point being is, I don't know that he'll
Speaker 1: still be a realistic candidate to be the Cowboys pick
Speaker 1: when he's done working out, Like when he's done running.
Speaker 1: Am you think he's a safety that will jump up
Speaker 1: higher than nineteen. He's already in that range right now,
Speaker 1: when he's when he's done running like a four four
Speaker 1: at his size and jumping, I'm I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: put up some freak numbers. I'm just I don't know,
Speaker 1: let's not forget this aspect. And I don't care what
Speaker 1: teams will tell you that they don't think about it.
Speaker 1: I think they're lying Jalen Ramsey, you know, for doing
Speaker 1: what he did. I just think it's it's hard for
Speaker 1: teams not to separate the two, like we really want
Speaker 1: to pass on a guy like this, and and you know,
Speaker 1: I just think guys that come from the same school,
Speaker 1: right yeah, largest Yeah, making sure I didn't, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: think about someone else. No, But I mean when you
Speaker 1: get guys from the same school, I just think it's
Speaker 1: just natural to be like this guy was great, this
Speaker 1: guy looks like he's going to be great, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure it happens. Yeah, no, and it does. Well.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because you know, safeties either go super high
Speaker 1: or they kind of fall. I mean, Earl Thomas went ten,
Speaker 1: Eric Barry was like five, worth it, worth it. Malie
Speaker 1: Hooker should have been a top ten pick last year,
Speaker 1: but he fell all the way down to seventeen, which
Speaker 1: gives and Derwin, like I said, he tours Meniscus two
Speaker 1: seasons ago. So I'm holding out a hope that he's
Speaker 1: a guy that they could draft. But I don't know
Speaker 1: how is he good enough that if you got to
Speaker 1: you give me the number fifteen sixteen and he would
Speaker 1: fell on the board that you would consider giving something
Speaker 1: up in order to go get it. It It sounds like
Speaker 1: you listen to the Draft show because we had that argument,
Speaker 1: and you know, Dane Brugler threw out a couple of
Speaker 1: names that you know, Roquan Smith, the linebacker out of
Speaker 1: Georgia East, and I think Calvin Ridley was the other one,
Speaker 1: the why wide receiver out of Alabama. He said he'd
Speaker 1: go up and get those guys. But if Derwin James
Speaker 1: starts slipping too, like the fifteen sixteen, I would give
Speaker 1: up like a third round pick. And if those guys
Speaker 1: are gone or without those gushead over him? What about them?
Speaker 1: Over them? Excuse me? If if they were still on
Speaker 1: the board, you would go up and get him. Well,
Speaker 1: who's getting drafted here? I know, I'm just asking those
Speaker 1: you putting you. There's guy as far as a talent.
Speaker 1: You put him above I think Quan Smith and above um,
Speaker 1: it's the receiver I think in terms of the need
Speaker 1: on this team, because at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I know you need an insurance policy for Sean Lee
Speaker 1: and Jalen Smith. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: you right now have two starting linebackers. And I said,
Speaker 1: right now, I know, well, I agree that. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to see what you're gonna say about that other position though,
Speaker 1: wide receiver, wide receiver. This class is loaded, and there's
Speaker 1: no reason you need to just didn't get good that.
Speaker 1: There's no reason you need to spend that pick on
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. In my I if the Virginia Tech
Speaker 1: linebacker for Maine Edmonds kind of falls a little bit,
Speaker 1: he would be a guy I think I would look
Speaker 1: at that's it's it's so hard right now. And that's
Speaker 1: the big thing about the combine is it helps solidifying
Speaker 1: no doubt. Well, he ain't better than Quan Smith. It's well,
Speaker 1: Roquan Smith looks like a big old safety. I think
Speaker 1: he doesn't play that way, but he kind of looks that.
Speaker 1: Roquan Smith is more in the vein of your Dion Jones,
Speaker 1: like the modern small, fast linebacker, which this defense, that's
Speaker 1: what I kind of want to see is the guy
Speaker 1: that can go sideline the sideline faster than anybody, which, right,
Speaker 1: But what if he looks like Levon Kirkland doing it
Speaker 1: like this Edmond's guy? Is that the way? Is that
Speaker 1: what he is? He's like Edmonds looks an looks like
Speaker 1: ur Locker Like he's like six four two five, big
Speaker 1: old you know he could play all three spots similar
Speaker 1: skill though, yeah, I mean he's just bigger, bigger. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's just I don't know. That's probably not
Speaker 1: as fast as remember this when when the Cowboys, because
Speaker 1: we're gonna get thrown quarterbacks in your face. Every time
Speaker 1: you look at any draft thing, it's it's about you know,
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, what about Baker Mayfield? As a Cowboy fan,
Speaker 1: you want them to just go crazy, throw, don't let
Speaker 1: the ball hit the ground at their pro day, be
Speaker 1: off the charts. That's four spots ahead of you that
Speaker 1: have to be drafted. And maybe Lamar Jackson, if he
Speaker 1: can have a great workout, he might somebody a five
Speaker 1: guy maybe, Or there's there's two ways to look at that.
Speaker 1: Do you want all, you want a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: quarterbacks going and pushing players to you, or do you
Speaker 1: want quarterbacks lasting so that somebody at the back of
Speaker 1: the draft on a trade wants to jump up to
Speaker 1: nineteen and get their guy. Quarterbacks affect everyone. They really
Speaker 1: Dave saying it. It's right, especially with Jerry. Jerry's proven.
Speaker 1: There's been two occasions where a guy has fallen to
Speaker 1: them in the nineteen twenty twenty one spot and they've
Speaker 1: traded out and got to pick next year. That's what
Speaker 1: I don't like though, because I feel like right now
Speaker 1: what this team has is a less specially on defense.
Speaker 1: I feel like they have a lot of good players,
Speaker 1: they don't have enough catalytic players. They don't have enough
Speaker 1: players that change games. And to me, you start dropping
Speaker 1: down into the twenties, and I think that's where you
Speaker 1: get to that really and you, guys, you can tell
Speaker 1: me how many guys in this in this draft actually
Speaker 1: will have first round grades, usually somewhere around that seventeen
Speaker 1: nineteen range. You start getting into twenties, you're really drafting
Speaker 1: second round talent. I think the first round of this
Speaker 1: draft is pretty weak compared to They may even be
Speaker 1: higher than nineteen, like it maybe fifteen, fourteen, thirteen, So
Speaker 1: I mean it's usually between sixteen and eighteen something like that.
Speaker 1: I would response equal another response when you said that
Speaker 1: earlier this week, but you said it was a kind
Speaker 1: of week. We were just like, oh okay, what earlier
Speaker 1: in the week you and Brian had some good conversation. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, we got an argument on the show.
Speaker 1: He was like, you're just being lazy, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: Go look at twenty sixteen. Go look at twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: and all the studs came out of that draft and
Speaker 1: tell me that this one looks as good to you.
Speaker 1: I I don't know, but I go back and forth
Speaker 1: on that because I mean Travis Frederick was picked thirty one,
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence was picked thirty four. I know the DeMarcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence they picked at the time, and the one that
Speaker 1: it's about to get paid or not the same guy.
Speaker 1: That's the point you get into the second round, your
Speaker 1: second round talent you their second round is usually because
Speaker 1: of other things combined with their skill. That's the either
Speaker 1: haven't done it enough, whether they got an injury or
Speaker 1: something like that pushes them the second round talent, right,
Speaker 1: But what happens in the war room if one of
Speaker 1: those quarterbacks fall and and somebody says, we'll take your
Speaker 1: your pick, We'll take your draft pick for next year's one. Now.
Speaker 1: Typically Jerry loves that idea. But you've got a coach
Speaker 1: who can't go nine and seven, can't really get into
Speaker 1: the playoffs and not win a game now and not
Speaker 1: you know, get to stay here next year. He's gonna
Speaker 1: have to go around or too deep in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: And so you know, do I want to help? Oh?
Speaker 1: Who am I helping next year? I need an these
Speaker 1: players now. So that would be in an interesting scenario
Speaker 1: if that happens and the coaches in the room going
Speaker 1: next year, my ass, we've got to win now. My
Speaker 1: pet cat of all pet cats is a wide receiver
Speaker 1: by the name of DJ Moore out of the University
Speaker 1: of Maryland. Okay, uh, he's telling me about him. What
Speaker 1: does he do? Will He's not impressive like from a
Speaker 1: physical no no, no no no from AKA from a physical stamp.
Speaker 1: Let's say he's like five ten, two hundred pounds. But
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't play wide receiver in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Um but he played at Maryland, which is they've been
Speaker 1: a dumpster fire for most time. I saw him a
Speaker 1: close and personable glehead. But well yeah, he well he
Speaker 1: so you know exactly what I want you to tell
Speaker 1: all the listeners. He he does a little bit of everything.
Speaker 1: Like he's a fantastic route runner, he's got fantastic hands,
Speaker 1: he can play outside even for a short productive. In college,
Speaker 1: he played at Maryland, where he had eight different quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: During his college career, Um caught one hundred and forty
Speaker 1: six balls for two thousand yards and seventeen touchdowns, average
Speaker 1: fourteen yards per catch. And again this is I mean,
Speaker 1: he was cycling through quarterbacks like nobody's business. No no
Speaker 1: passing threat whatsoever. For his junior year, he caught eighty
Speaker 1: balls for a thousand yards and eight touchdowns. Was the
Speaker 1: Big ten receiver of the year for Maryland. Like in
Speaker 1: a conference that has Ohio State and Michigan and Penn State,
Speaker 1: you know, all these badasses, he was the receiver of
Speaker 1: the year. Um, I'm stealing a line from Dane Brugler,
Speaker 1: but Dane always compares him to Steve Smith. That's exactly
Speaker 1: what I was thinking. How could you not love that? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: I just like you know, he's a polished route runner.
Speaker 1: He's got awesome hands. He just gets I mean, he's
Speaker 1: not gonna go up and do you know he's not
Speaker 1: gonna go up and out muscle people like dead. But
Speaker 1: he's just gonna be open all the time. Just the
Speaker 1: one thing I don't like a band. He's gonna he's
Speaker 1: gonna give you a gmbo goomb Yeah, every time he
Speaker 1: catches the ball, So I gotta makes you get those
Speaker 1: right every time he catches, like he's not he's not
Speaker 1: just going down, you know, like he's gonna fight that. Yeah. Though,
Speaker 1: But what does worry me a little bit is it
Speaker 1: just adds to your list of sub six foot wide receivers,
Speaker 1: which you know, do you want to be? I mean,
Speaker 1: do you want size or do you think you need more?
Speaker 1: Doesn't bother Antonio Brown. No, that's a good point. I
Speaker 1: don't care about. I mean, like good point. And I'm
Speaker 1: not getting rid of Dez Bryant, so I'm not forfeiting
Speaker 1: that say that about Antonio Brown. Um, but the guys
Speaker 1: around him, you know, like got a ton of big
Speaker 1: guy yeah, big guys around him, So you kind of
Speaker 1: wonder if you need more of a balance there. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: I really like Christian Kirk a lot, and he's another
Speaker 1: small guy who's mainly a slot guy too, So I
Speaker 1: don't know. I again, I'm a piggyback guy when it
Speaker 1: comes to the draft, like most people are. They like
Speaker 1: other people's reports on what they see. Now, these guys
Speaker 1: on the Draft show are watching the tape. You gotta
Speaker 1: give him credit there, one of the guys that I
Speaker 1: like and I got. Dane kind of told me about
Speaker 1: it first and then I just started looking at him
Speaker 1: and running back North Carolina State Naheim Hines. Yeah, this guy. Now, second,
Speaker 1: he might be too rich for you. He might be
Speaker 1: a guy like David saying, we're just will work his
Speaker 1: you know, run his way up the charts. Where but
Speaker 1: track guy plays running back. Usually see track guy as
Speaker 1: a receiver. This guy track just thick, but but you
Speaker 1: know runs hard by to him, he is explosive. He
Speaker 1: a guy that might get into that four three four
Speaker 1: maybe I don't know exactly. I mean, if he's a
Speaker 1: track guy, he's got to be in that in that
Speaker 1: range you think, you know, but he's I think watching
Speaker 1: what Kamara did last year, you know that type of
Speaker 1: guy can help teams. I mean, the Cowboys still want
Speaker 1: that guy. They want they wanted Lance Dumbar to work.
Speaker 1: Would you take a running back in the second day
Speaker 1: of the draft, in the second yes? Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: in the second day, yes, the second day you talk round.
Speaker 1: Would you take a running back in the second great question?
Speaker 1: Third round? Yeah? I mean, but I don't know if hinz.
Speaker 1: You know what the problem about that is is Hines
Speaker 1: has to prove that he is a every down type
Speaker 1: of back because I think with this team, with what
Speaker 1: we've seen, you need. You need to get a guy
Speaker 1: that could say, all right, if something happens, does Zeke,
Speaker 1: even if it's a game or two. Yeah, I would,
Speaker 1: And that's the Dumbar couldn't do that. I've heard you
Speaker 1: talk about that guy before, and I know Dane and
Speaker 1: Brian talk about him. I'm I'll just give me three
Speaker 1: war daddy running backs like you. I mean, you got
Speaker 1: Zeke rod Smith is six three. Just give me another
Speaker 1: well rounded, bigger that you're okay taking fourth. Fifth. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You don't want your Chris Thompson type guy. You don't
Speaker 1: want that. You don't want that short, little speed guy.
Speaker 1: I would rather just have. I mean preferably he can
Speaker 1: catch the ball, but like he doesn't need to be
Speaker 1: so specialized that he's like Lance Dumbar, you know, like
Speaker 1: you can find a running back who's five eleven to
Speaker 1: ten who can catch the ball, you know, because because
Speaker 1: I think what people forget about Kamara too is that
Speaker 1: he could run the ball right up the middle and
Speaker 1: he did it. Well. Yeah, mar is not a super
Speaker 1: small guy. No, he's just compact um. He looks kind
Speaker 1: of thin to me, but I don't know, maybe that's
Speaker 1: just the way he looks. Kamara. I'll be a real
Speaker 1: homer for a sex since I just said I wasn't.
Speaker 1: And I'm just throwing this out there as an example,
Speaker 1: but Darryl Williams, senior running back out of LSU, he
Speaker 1: was stuck behind first round picks his whole career, better
Speaker 1: than guys. I mean, I'm not saying, You're just saying
Speaker 1: he's absolutely not a good guy that didn't get He's
Speaker 1: a solid running back who didn't see a lot. I
Speaker 1: mean he didn't see as much of the field as
Speaker 1: he would have at almost any other program. Really good player,
Speaker 1: can catch the ball, powerful guy, could do everything you
Speaker 1: need him to, could probably get him in the fourth
Speaker 1: or fifth round and bring him on. And let's not
Speaker 1: forget that guys like that. I mean, he don't have
Speaker 1: a ton of wear and tear on him. Good point,
Speaker 1: because he's already I think. I mean, because of how
Speaker 1: much this team leans on the run and because of
Speaker 1: how much you can't count on Zeke at least that's
Speaker 1: what we've seen so far. I think running back is
Speaker 1: a sneaky concern. And I like Rod Smith, but he's
Speaker 1: only under contract for one more year. Like, get me
Speaker 1: another guy who's going to be on a four year
Speaker 1: deal who can come in here and will cost less
Speaker 1: than an Alfred Morris and has less tread on his
Speaker 1: tires than an Alfred Morris. I think that's a I mean,
Speaker 1: preferably not in the third round. But if you told
Speaker 1: me it was like just a badass, I'd be okay
Speaker 1: with it. All right, let's say we appreciate you guys
Speaker 1: join us. We are back in two weeks. Next week
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Speaker 1: the shows are going to happen, but definitely will be
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