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Speaker 1: Ready for a break? Yeah? And so much for that.

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Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: Wall with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and

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Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. It is Wednesday, February twenty first two Thy eighteen,

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Speaker 1: season thirteen, episode number one h three. Welcome to another

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Speaker 1: edition of The Break, live from the s WBC Mortgage

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Speaker 1: Studios at the start, joined by Nick Eatman and David Hellman.

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Speaker 1: Amber Garcia is not with us today. She is out

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Speaker 1: vacationing on the Beautiful Eye on the island of the

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Speaker 1: Dominican Republic. We'll be back with us hopefully next week,

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Speaker 1: actually the week after that, because next week, Dave, we'll

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Speaker 1: be out at the Combine and we'll be doing draft

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Speaker 1: shows all week. Next week, last week of the year. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So we'll be back on the air after this show.

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Speaker 1: We're back on the air in two weeks to talk

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Speaker 1: some more Cowboys footbast The best week of the year

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Speaker 1: for you, just or just in football, not every year.

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Speaker 1: I say, like, there's a lot of ways you delimit that,

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Speaker 1: and I still don't think it's true in any of them.

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Speaker 1: I it's usually five degrees and you get to watch

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Speaker 1: people in their underwear. It's true. It's just it's maybe

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Speaker 1: So you get to see friends that you don't see

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Speaker 1: And obviously you get to you know, talk to and

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Speaker 1: it's maybe like the hottest job we've ever listed. It's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: I swear everybody in our office has brought me at

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Speaker 1: least one person. It's well, you just opened it up.

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Speaker 1: Well when I put it out on Twitter, I got

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Speaker 1: I mean, are looking for a social media coordinators. It's

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Speaker 1: Back to the Break, Welcome back. It's the second segment

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Speaker 1: of The Break live from the s WBC Mortgage studios

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Speaker 1: at the Star. We're talking franchise tags and we're talking

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Speaker 1: about the Marcus Lawrence what the Cowboys are gonna do

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Speaker 1: with him. Dave, you got something to say just every

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Speaker 1: football fans favorite topic, bookkeeping. Yeah, whoo, man, it's this

446
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Speaker 1: time of the year where you're like, man, I would

447
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Speaker 1: love to have a game coming up this Sunday. Honestly,

448
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Speaker 1: I mean I can't speak for everybody, but like, I

449
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Speaker 1: enjoy that aspect of it. I like team building, and

450
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 1: finagling the money and the rosters. I wish I feel

451
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Speaker 1: like I've got a pretty good grasp on it for somebody,

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Speaker 1: for a layman, so to spit. But I wish I

453
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Speaker 1: could be more involved in it. You know. I like

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Speaker 1: following it, and I don't remember. I'm pretty sure you

455
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Speaker 1: were not here during this that one year when we

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Speaker 1: had the I don't know if what you called lockout,

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Speaker 1: whatever it was, the work stopping that year. Free agency

458
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Speaker 1: was fun because basically everything got compared to neigh were

459
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Speaker 1: gonna say, he wasn't remembering it kind of started out

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Speaker 1: that way. I thought you were talking about something else. Yeah, right, no,

461
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Speaker 1: but but just that because everything was contracted because it's

462
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Speaker 1: get to weight, and once players were allowed to come back,

463
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Speaker 1: then there was like a period of what nicke a week,

464
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Speaker 1: two weeks when guys were getting signed and so like

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Speaker 1: across the league. And I like following across the league

466
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Speaker 1: all the movement of players. But when you put all

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Speaker 1: that into a short period of time, oh man, it

468
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Speaker 1: was a blast. I remember it as a fan, like

469
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Speaker 1: twelve hours after it was over, like the Saints had

470
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Speaker 1: signed Darren Sproles and all this other I was just

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Speaker 1: like crazy. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. I

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Speaker 1: wish And actually there was some talk at the time, like, shit,

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Speaker 1: the NFL maybe consider like doing that, like making your

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Speaker 1: free agency period be a finite amount of time, so

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Speaker 1: there's like a two week period of three week period

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Speaker 1: with all free agency has to happen. And I thought

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Speaker 1: that that'd be a great, great move because it does

478
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Speaker 1: it forces teams to, you know, either do it or don't,

479
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 1: but everything's going to be compacted in this period of time.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you could really do that with all

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Speaker 1: the different circumstances around the league and reasons why guys

482
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Speaker 1: hang around, But it would be nice if there was

483
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Speaker 1: a way, you know, like we always it's it's a

484
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Speaker 1: strategy team's use, like you can kind of hold guy's

485
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Speaker 1: hostage and like let the money bleed out before you

486
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Speaker 1: try to you know. I wish there was a way

487
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Speaker 1: to make a rule against that so that teams couldn't

488
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Speaker 1: just leverage against players and stuff like don't you look

489
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Speaker 1: at like around the league, around sports and other leagues.

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Speaker 1: It just I mean the NBA for one, and just think, man,

491
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Speaker 1: what a mess that is now? We might you might

492
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Speaker 1: like if you were in it, you might understand it

493
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Speaker 1: a lot better. But when you say that mess where

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Speaker 1: you're talking about what you saying, Well, I'm just talking

495
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Speaker 1: about just the way the contracts are where Jeremy Lynn

496
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Speaker 1: can trigger something in his deal and he makes twelve

497
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Speaker 1: million dollars or something like that. NBA is like another language.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like trade guys for the purposes of cutting them. Like, yeah,

499
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Speaker 1: like your trade a guy, I'm trading to get him

500
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Speaker 1: so I can get can get rid of his contract snacks,

501
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 1: contracts and salary dumps and all that. It's like a

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Speaker 1: whole nother I don't understand it at all. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: if we were on you know, MAVs Break, I guess

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Speaker 1: maybe we'd have more to talk about there and be

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Speaker 1: able to figure that out. But I just can't and

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Speaker 1: we'd haven't. I can't talk about Well, yeah, let's let's

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Speaker 1: go and move on from that. Yeah, um good, Let's

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Speaker 1: let's talk about more on the franchise tag with the

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Speaker 1: Marcus Lawrence Nick. You started talking about that before we

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Speaker 1: went to break and just talking about the fact that,

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Speaker 1: you know, how does this affect you then from the

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Speaker 1: standpoint of does that force you to now move a

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Speaker 1: little quicker if you wanted to sign to Marcus Larrence

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Speaker 1: to do that a little faster to free up more money.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that affects their their thought process and

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Speaker 1: what they're doing with him? Well, I think it should.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know you're gonna you're gonna try to

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Speaker 1: get a deal done. I mean. And the thing that

519
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Speaker 1: that it does is you know you're talking about they've

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Speaker 1: talked about like not knowing the number and all that.

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Speaker 1: I think it's probably a good thing. I think teams

522
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Speaker 1: are glad that it's not out there because you know,

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Speaker 1: they're not necessarily saying that they're gonna tag him. Obviously

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Speaker 1: it's an option. But even when it's thrown out there

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Speaker 1: like that, that's that's the starting point. Once you tag

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Speaker 1: him and now you have to work on getting a deal.

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Speaker 1: That's the starting point. Seventeen million per season, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, or at least is it though? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I mean, because when I look at it, there is

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Speaker 1: there is a price. Yeah, the starting point. Because I'm

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Speaker 1: saying that, it doesn't mean it doesn't go down, right,

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Speaker 1: But you you already gave me a tag. I got you, yea.

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Speaker 1: So now that's factored in that becomes leverage to some

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Speaker 1: degree for right side. Oh you want to make me

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Speaker 1: fourteen a year or thirteen a year, and that's fine,

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Speaker 1: six years, you know, I mean, or something like that.

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Speaker 1: So or I'll just take the seventeen for a year.

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Speaker 1: I could always just do that and then I'll go

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Speaker 1: back next year and somebody else will pay me fifteen

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Speaker 1: for a year after that. So yeah, that's what makes

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Speaker 1: this and that's you know, it's out there, and that's

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Speaker 1: sort of the accepted strategy is that the Cowboys are

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Speaker 1: going to wait until the deadline, which is mark March sixth,

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Speaker 1: to put the tag onto Marcus because they want to

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Speaker 1: try to get a deal done. I just don't think

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Speaker 1: that's realistic at all, really, yeah, because what's what's what

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Speaker 1: would be the hold up? What holds this this kind

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Speaker 1: of deal up from getting done the fact that I

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Speaker 1: assume the Cowboys don't want to make him the highest

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Speaker 1: paid defensive end in football. I assume would you think

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Speaker 1: that that's what he would be asking for. I think

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Speaker 1: he could come close to getting it on the open market.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Olivier Vernon got eighty five million dollars two

554
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Speaker 1: years ago, and his career production was awfully similar to Lawrence's.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and Lawrence has had back problems two of

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Speaker 1: the four years of his career. He broke his foot

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Speaker 1: as a rookie and got suspended his third season, like

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Speaker 1: there's and on top of that, and for those reasons

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Speaker 1: and others, he's only had one like really really quality season.

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Speaker 1: He had a pretty good year in fifteen, and then

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Speaker 1: last year obviously he really blew up. So I don't

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Speaker 1: know that, I don't know that the track record is

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Speaker 1: there to just want to hand him this crazy amount

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Speaker 1: of money. And and and Nick's right, like that's the starting point.

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Speaker 1: So I just did the math. I mean, seventeen over

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Speaker 1: four seventy million and seventeen over five is eighty five.

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Speaker 1: So you're talking about a significant chunk of money for

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Speaker 1: a guy that I wouldn't be surprised if they're not

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Speaker 1: convinced he's worth it. But that kind of deal, you're

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Speaker 1: not guaranteeing the last year two years, No, but I

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Speaker 1: mean you're probably talking about half of that being guaranteed. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: maybe about half of Vernon Vernon got fifty two guaranteed

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Speaker 1: or something like that. And like I mean, Olivier Vernon

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Speaker 1: had like twenty five Cree or Sacks when he got

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Speaker 1: that deal, Like, is it fair? No, But the open

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Speaker 1: markets out there and there are teams with hundreds of

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Speaker 1: million dollars of cap space who would be happy to

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Speaker 1: pay him. And if I'm Lawrence in his agent, I

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Speaker 1: have all the leverage without all the leverage, but he's

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Speaker 1: got some pretty good leverage right now to be like,

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Speaker 1: I don't have to do anything for a while. I'm

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Speaker 1: not signing anything until March. What's the deadline? Sixth is

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Speaker 1: the deadline to put the tag on him? He doesn't

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Speaker 1: have to sign anything until July. Yeah, sixth that I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't do anything until March sixth, because make them give

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Speaker 1: me the tag or a deal that I can't refuse, right,

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00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: you know? And because then once you give him the tag,

588
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Speaker 1: then you well you tagged me. But even at that,

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Speaker 1: is it not a smart move for him? Even after

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Speaker 1: he gets to tag, Let's assume they give him the

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Speaker 1: tag on March six is it not a good idea

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Speaker 1: for him to then at that point say I'm not

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Speaker 1: doing a deal until I see what happens if free agency,

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Speaker 1: because that helps shape his deal as well. I don't

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00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: know what other defensive ends are out there, but that

596
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: will help shape the market. Sure he will say, Hey,

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00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 1: that guy over there didn't have as many sacks as

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Speaker 1: I did. He got this mount right right, so that

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00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: that also can help him. I would assume he can

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Speaker 1: go the other way too, if those guys are less

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Speaker 1: than what he's shooting for. But I certainly think that

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Speaker 1: that's that could also be a part of the thinking, right.

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Speaker 1: I guess I'll play Devil's advocate for a minute too

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Speaker 1: and say, you know, you know DeMarcus has said before,

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Speaker 1: you know he loves the organization. He knows how they

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Speaker 1: feel about him. They've been loyal to him, all that

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Speaker 1: good stuff. Maybe if they if they make him an

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Speaker 1: offer that he think is fair that maybe doesn't reach

609
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Speaker 1: up into that stratosphere, maybe he'd be willing to sign it,

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Speaker 1: just because that's the type of dude he is. But

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Speaker 1: that's what agents are for. And I think any any

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Speaker 1: talking out, any good agent would be like, nah, man, no,

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Speaker 1: we're not doing that. And so to your point, I

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Speaker 1: could be wrong, But like I don't remember very often

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Speaker 1: where a franchise tag guy signs a new deal before

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Speaker 1: May June July, Like you're not gonna get tagged and

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Speaker 1: then sign Yeah, wall free agent media going on. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just not that's one of the benefits of waiting

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Speaker 1: is that you do get a chance to see mats

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Speaker 1: on the front. Homeboy over here got X amount of money,

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Speaker 1: So yeah, coming to the table with at least that

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Speaker 1: or don't even worry about it, that type of For years,

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Speaker 1: it was the Raiders. Raiders would sign guys to these

624
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Speaker 1: deals that just totally messed up the whole market. They do.

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Speaker 1: You remember that they were, you know, well, this kind

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Speaker 1: of got this money. Every year, they'd mess up the

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Speaker 1: draft and they mess up free agent. It's like, God,

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Speaker 1: what are y'all doing? Messed up the whole league? You know,

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Speaker 1: for and the Redskins have kind of done that a

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Speaker 1: little bit too. You know, Redskins sign some a lot

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Speaker 1: of high profile players and they get them done, you

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Speaker 1: know front, And to be honest, Cowboys at a period

633
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Speaker 1: when they were kind of stuff as well. Yeah, I mean,

634
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: anytime you overpay for anybody kind of it changes the market.

635
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Speaker 1: So it's not just you're right, it's not just Raiders Redskins.

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Speaker 1: The Cowboys have done it too. They haven't done it

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Speaker 1: as much lately. Yeah, they've kind of changed that much.

638
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: But you know, one thing that the Cowboys have done

639
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Speaker 1: is they'll look at what works around in the league.

640
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: They see that, they see what New England has done

641
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: at times with the two tight ends, and then they

642
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: were going to do the two tight ends. And now

643
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: that they've seen with these little slot receivers, and they

644
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: tried to do the same thing. And so it. Eagles

645
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl and they've done a lot of

646
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: it with free agency and guys in I will be

647
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: surprised if the Cowboys have another free agent year where

648
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: they just sit back and don't do anything, and I'll

649
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: be surprised. I don't think it's just the Eagles. I

650
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: think it's the Eagles. And you go back a couple

651
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: of years. I mean the Giants did they remake their defense,

652
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: But the Broncos they won a Super Bowl off of

653
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: revamping their defense. So through free agency, yeah, so I

654
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: think I think there's been a lot of instances here

655
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: in the last three to five years where teams have

656
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: kind of changed their fortunes. If you have a good team,

657
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: you can take your team over the hump by going

658
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: out and spending a little bit in free agent. I

659
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: don't think it'll be crazy year. I do think they'll

660
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: they'll be more active though, I really do. I'm interested

661
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: to see. I tend to want to agree with you,

662
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: but like I just where's the money gonna come? Yeah,

663
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: that's the thing for me. It's gonna you know, realism,

664
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: and you're right, and it's gonna have to you know.

665
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: And that's maybe that's the selling point to DeMarcus. It's like, listen,

666
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: if you want to be here, we want you here.

667
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: You want to be here, let's play. You know, we're

668
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: gonna sit here and play games all you want to.

669
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: But if you if we if you wait all the

670
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: way until June or July and we get this deal done,

671
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: and you shave off seventeen million to counting about five

672
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: or six million this year, how does that help us? Now?

673
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: You want to help us. You wanted some a badass

674
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: safety or a corner or another defensive tackle. Let's do

675
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: this deal. Let's it's good for all about It's gonna

676
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: be good in April and May two, and it gives

677
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: us money to be players in free agency. That's I

678
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: think the sale to DeMarcus of why, hey, you're gonna

679
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: be here, help us and and let's sign these guys.

680
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: And in going back to what Dave said, he it

681
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: seems like a good guy, seems like a guy that

682
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: kind of has perspective. Maybe that is something that resonates

683
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: with him and makes him say if I think, now,

684
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: if I think it's a fair deal, like it's not.

685
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: It wouldn't be something where I'm just taking a hometown

686
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: discount to take a homecount at hometown to say, but

687
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: if I think it's a fair deal and it's like,

688
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: this is what I think I'm worth and maybe it's

689
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: not the highest paid guy, but I think I'm worth

690
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: this and I feel good about it, then maybe that

691
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: does get it done. This is the same guy who

692
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: celebrated Sacks last year by taking money out of a safe.

693
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: So I don't know. We'll see, but if there's if

694
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: there's one thing, I don't know, if there's this, I

695
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: feel a lot better about this than I did about

696
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: the death situation when it happened three years ago. Because

697
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: Marcus has said time and time again like he really

698
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: doesn't care, and he's he's not a politician, like he's

699
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: gonna tell you exactly how he feels. He has never

700
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: been shy about that, and he said and nothing. He's like,

701
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: my age is gonna take care of that. I know.

702
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: I'm here he at the Pro Bowl. He said, tags fine,

703
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: contracts fine. I was like, you're the first player to

704
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: ever say that, Like, I don't remember anybody sounding so

705
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: lazy fair about getting tagged. But the fact of the

706
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: matter is, if you play defensive end, if you play quarterback,

707
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: if you play cornerback, taking the franchise tag, although there's

708
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: the risk of not having a long term the amount

709
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: of money you make changes your life and the generation,

710
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: generational well of your family. So I agree with him, Like,

711
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: if you're gonna give me seventeen million for a year,

712
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: and I'll bet on myself on that, then I'll take

713
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: that seventeen million because that's already gonna change my life

714
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: in my kid's life. But on top of it, if

715
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: I have another good year, I'm back to the same

716
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: point next year and can make either even more as

717
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: as a franchise tag player or if I go into

718
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: free agency. And football players are a lot like sports

719
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: writers in that they're probably not that good in math.

720
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: Sports writers aren't good for yourself, just like I can't

721
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: tell them. I can't do base. But every arithmetic but basic,

722
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: even even the basic can tell you if I get

723
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: seventeen checks and I'm making seventeen million, that's pretty good.

724
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: That's about a million a check about Now. Wait, there's

725
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: gonna be a part that's gonna be taken out of that.

726
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: I understand. Bump me out. I might get half a million. Realism,

727
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: I'm half a million a week. But hey, go ahead,

728
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: I see your point, you know what I mean. And

729
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: I just think that when somebody told that to him, like,

730
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: I'll take that million a week. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, right, yes, please, yeah,

731
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: and he should. I mean he you know, he's in

732
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: a he's in a win win situation. But um, but

733
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: like I said, if the Cowboys go to him and

734
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: say that scenario, like, you'll help us here so we

735
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: can be players, the better be players. Yeah, they better

736
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: do it. Don't don't don't. Oh well I just didn't

737
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: work out. Better better go and and and do that,

738
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 1: and so hopefully it'll you know, it's gonna work out.

739
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: He's gonna be here. Um, it's it's not the first

740
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: guy though that you know that the Cowboys are in

741
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: a tough situation. You can go back to the last

742
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: ten years and find players where, for whatever the reason,

743
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: you have to make a tough decision on um that

744
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: it was contract time and we haven't. You know, when

745
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: Zach Martin comes up, everyone knows what Zach Martin is like. Okay,

746
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: so he deserves it. But it didn't always work out

747
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: with Miles Austin needed a contract and he'd done it

748
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: for a year. Doug Free needed a contract, he'd done

749
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: it for half a year. Tony Romo needed a con

750
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: track and he's done it for ten games. It happens

751
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: where you're just like, well, we have to decide here,

752
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: and it's not. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. But

753
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: that's also the reason why I'm of the belief that

754
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: that argument right there is what makes me think that

755
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: a guy like Orlando could be gone. Is because I

756
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys more and more thinking when we get

757
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: these young guys in here, we gotta get them on

758
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: the field as soon as possible, and that's our way

759
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 1: to be able to know when it's time for that contract.

760
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: We know what they are, so we know whether we

761
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 1: need to invest the money in them or not. And

762
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: based on what they saw last year, I think they

763
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 1: have reason to believe that, given opportunities, that maybe, just

764
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: maybe those two cornerbacks that they drafted can be long

765
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: term fits for them. And so from that standpoint, they

766
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: may be like, we just got to get these guys

767
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: on the film playing more because we need to know

768
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: who they are by the time it's time to make

769
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 1: a decision on their contracts. Yeah, and that's I mean,

770
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: that's true. But you can lose games with cornerbacks. I'm

771
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: not saying that they did. But it's a tricky and

772
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: it's a it's a dangerous game to play. But they

773
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: played it last year. I made it last year, and

774
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: they played it without any real understanding of what those

775
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: cornerbacks were. They played it to a dangerous yes, exactly.

776
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 1: So if they would do it last year, what makes

777
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: you think they wouldn't. Initially they got a lot more

778
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: information to work on this year. Again, they I think

779
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: those two guys played admirably for a rookie quarterback. They

780
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: were they were rookies to a tea. I mean, they

781
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: gave up some play some touchdowns, some pass interference, latent games,

782
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: but they also played well throughout the game. You know

783
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: where it's like you know they were helping you they

784
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: were getting off the field, and they weren't making interceptions

785
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: really one each. But I've gotten used to not having. Yeah,

786
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: but they definitely give you some some like Okay, if

787
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: this is if they're going to get better than this,

788
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 1: then you know, we have a chance to be pretty good.

789
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: Assuming Cheeto stays at the corner, you know. And I

790
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: know I've been on here and said that I would

791
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: look at him at safety, but I know and a

792
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 1: lot I mean, I get my Twitter. He gets kind

793
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 1: of blown up when I do that because people don't.

794
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: They're like, we finally have a good physical corner. Why

795
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: can't we just can't. I like the size at corner,

796
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: Like that's the other thing. There's some big receivers in

797
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: this division. Like I like the size at corner. And

798
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: you know, you forget that Brandon Marshalls still sitting over

799
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: there in New York. Now, I assume he's gonna still

800
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: be there everyto another year. It's a big guy, all

801
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: Shan Jeffreys a big guy. Like there's some big guys

802
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: you have to face in this division. I like having

803
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: some size like right now that there's not a lot

804
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,479
Speaker 1: right Well, we'll see see if Byron Jones is playing

805
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: there or not. But you know, all of a it

806
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: becomes kind of a bizze at size and skill. Like

807
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: I just I wasn't that impressed with him as a cornerback.

808
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: I thought he was decent. I didn't think he was

809
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: like moving him back to me is not, Oh, we're

810
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: going to get better premium value. It's let's just see

811
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: if we can find someplace for him to play. Well,

812
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: we'll just I just look at body type. Yeah, he

813
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: was getting carried too many times. The tackle that Cheeto

814
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 1: made on mars Shawn Lynch. I don't care what Marshawn

815
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: did afterwards and what he said to him on the bench.

816
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: He went back five yards, three yards or whatever. I

817
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: mean he felt that just as much as Cheeto did.

818
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,240
Speaker 1: That looks like a safety type play. To me, whatever

819
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: they do is fine, And hopefully they'll bring another safety

820
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: in and you know, I'll be campaigning for that move

821
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: if they along with you, if they do that. But yeah, yeah, yeah,

822
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: all right, all rights, Yeah you do. Everybody. I thought

823
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: I thought I was the safety guy. That's been my

824
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: thing since like mid season last year. Well, but I

825
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: think everybody. I think everybody, all of us are in agreement.

826
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: That if that were to happen, if that guy were

827
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: to end up here, then I think, oh, yeah, that's

828
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: what we're talking about. I wasn't that guy up here.

829
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: I think we're all we're all very happy about something

830
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: like that. I'm firmly just don't even don't. Let's deal.

831
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: We probably should be et come home. Let's deal. And

832
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: he did say come get me, right, he said come

833
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: get me, bring me home. Right, y'all are acting like

834
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: fanboys right now, let's just deal in reality. While right,

835
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,919
Speaker 1: my god, if they could sign any LSU player, you'd

836
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: be like, bring it. That's not true. I mean not

837
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson at the end of his contract, at the

838
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: ready to go, he wants to come to Dallas. Would

839
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: you not be geeked? If Arizona let Patrick Peterson go?

840
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: I would assume it's because his play has dipped to

841
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: an unbelievable degree, because like that dude's never leaving there

842
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: as long as he keeps playing. At the point, you

843
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: didn't even answer my question, you'd want for whatever reason

844
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: he was, for whatever reason he was available, Would you

845
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: not be asked? Geeks? Did I not sit on this

846
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 1: podcast three weeks ago? And crap all over the idea

847
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: of signing Jarvis Landry. He's not Patrick Peterson through, So

848
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: I'm just saying when he's got that whatever he said that,

849
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: he did say that. Now if it if it was O'Dell, no, no, no, no, no,

850
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: I got the real one. I got the throw the badger.

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00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah, yeah, yeah, he's already blessing right now, like,

852
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Speaker 1: oh yeah, bring him over, bring him over. It's my guy.

853
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Speaker 1: All right, let's take our final break. We'll come back.

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Speaker 1: the Break Welcome Back. It is the final segment of

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Speaker 1: the Break Life from the s WBC Mortgage Studios. At

902
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: the Star talked a little bit about franchise tag and

903
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: now I want to talk a little bit about the combine.

904
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: Let's look at some of these guys that are coming

905
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: out of college and they're filling the music over there,

906
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: give us a scouting report for the combine that will

907
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: start next week. Tell us a few names of some

908
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: guys that you think are worth keeping an eye on,

909
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: and I want you, at some point in that give

910
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: us one guy that's become kind of your pet cat,

911
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: one guy that in this process you've kind of fallen

912
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,959
Speaker 1: in love with, Like, hey, I really liked this player.

913
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: If the Cowboys were to land this guy, it would

914
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: be a game changer at whatever point, whether that's the

915
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: first round guy, whether that's the second, third, fourth round guy,

916
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,720
Speaker 1: at least point once you give us one of those guys.

917
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: All right, okay, yeah, I can do that. All right. Well, Act,

918
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: here's the reason why I was not on y'all's wavelength

919
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: at all about um about Earl Thomas back there in

920
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,919
Speaker 1: the last segment is because I'm sitting here, I'm like, yeah,

921
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: the Cowboys needed safety. And his name's Derwin James, which right,

922
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: And that's that's the funny thing about the combine is

923
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: like right here on February twenty first, you know, we

924
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,720
Speaker 1: got the TV's in the studio of James of Florida

925
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: State University. You're right, You're right, Derwin James safety at

926
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: a Florida State University. Um right, I'm February twenty first,

927
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,919
Speaker 1: Like we really have no idea, Like there's so much

928
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: that still needs to be solidified. Which to the point

929
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: that Derwin James is a name, you hear a lot

930
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys at nineteen, Like maybe he's in that

931
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: twelve to nineteen range that it's realistic to think. But

932
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: we will be at the combine next week where a

933
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: lot of these guys are going to um to work out, run, jump,

934
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 1: do all that stuff. And Derwin James is a physical freak. Uh,

935
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: Like I think I don't know if he's going to

936
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: put up Byron Jones numbers, but I think it'll be similar.

937
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: So physical freak physical like his his actual physical makeup

938
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: or in his his athletic ability, I mean a little

939
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: bit of both. Like I mean he's he's he's a

940
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: safety here, I'll pull up his measurables. I mean, he's

941
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: he can play strong, he can play free. Oh he's

942
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that's that can't be right. Yeah, No,

943
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: he's he's six three two eleven ish give or take.

944
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: He can play strong, he can play strong, he can

945
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: play free. He can. He's played outside in a pinch. Um.

946
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: The Seminoles used him as like a nickel, a big

947
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 1: nickel linebacker guy, like he can do all that type

948
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 1: of stuff for you. I think he'd be a day

949
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: one starter here, Um interceptions? Does he does he get

950
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: he was hurt one year? Well, I mean just you

951
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: know as he round the balls, he'd make plays like that.

952
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: I mean, because you know me make the I don't

953
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: think Byron Jones when he looked at all his stuff.

954
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: You know he has great numbers and he could run

955
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 1: and jump obviously, Uh he well, he only played two

956
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,320
Speaker 1: games in twenty sixteen because he tores meniscus. He played

957
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: twelve last year and had two eighty four tackles, five

958
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: tackles for lost, two sacks or two picks, one of

959
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,919
Speaker 1: those return for a touchdown. Um. I just he's got

960
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: he's got sky high potential based mainly on his athleticism,

961
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: which my point being is, I don't know that he'll

962
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: still be a realistic candidate to be the Cowboys pick

963
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 1: when he's done working out, Like when he's done running.

964
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: Am you think he's a safety that will jump up

965
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 1: higher than nineteen. He's already in that range right now,

966
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,720
Speaker 1: when he's when he's done running like a four four

967
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 1: at his size and jumping, I'm I think he's gonna

968
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: put up some freak numbers. I'm just I don't know,

969
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: let's not forget this aspect. And I don't care what

970
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: teams will tell you that they don't think about it.

971
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: I think they're lying Jalen Ramsey, you know, for doing

972
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: what he did. I just think it's it's hard for

973
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: teams not to separate the two, like we really want

974
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: to pass on a guy like this, and and you know,

975
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: I just think guys that come from the same school,

976
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: right yeah, largest Yeah, making sure I didn't, I wouldn't

977
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: think about someone else. No, But I mean when you

978
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: get guys from the same school, I just think it's

979
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: just natural to be like this guy was great, this

980
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: guy looks like he's going to be great, you know.

981
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure it happens. Yeah, no, and it does. Well.

982
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: It's interesting because you know, safeties either go super high

983
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: or they kind of fall. I mean, Earl Thomas went ten,

984
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,240
Speaker 1: Eric Barry was like five, worth it, worth it. Malie

985
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: Hooker should have been a top ten pick last year,

986
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: but he fell all the way down to seventeen, which

987
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: gives and Derwin, like I said, he tours Meniscus two

988
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: seasons ago. So I'm holding out a hope that he's

989
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: a guy that they could draft. But I don't know

990
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: how is he good enough that if you got to

991
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 1: you give me the number fifteen sixteen and he would

992
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: fell on the board that you would consider giving something

993
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: up in order to go get it. It It sounds like

994
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: you listen to the Draft show because we had that argument,

995
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: and you know, Dane Brugler threw out a couple of

996
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: names that you know, Roquan Smith, the linebacker out of

997
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: Georgia East, and I think Calvin Ridley was the other one,

998
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: the why wide receiver out of Alabama. He said he'd

999
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 1: go up and get those guys. But if Derwin James

1000
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: starts slipping too, like the fifteen sixteen, I would give

1001
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: up like a third round pick. And if those guys

1002
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,760
Speaker 1: are gone or without those gushead over him? What about them?

1003
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: Over them? Excuse me? If if they were still on

1004
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 1: the board, you would go up and get him. Well,

1005
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: who's getting drafted here? I know, I'm just asking those

1006
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: you putting you. There's guy as far as a talent.

1007
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: You put him above I think Quan Smith and above um,

1008
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,959
Speaker 1: it's the receiver I think in terms of the need

1009
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: on this team, because at the end of the day,

1010
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: I know you need an insurance policy for Sean Lee

1011
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: and Jalen Smith. But at the end of the day,

1012
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: you right now have two starting linebackers. And I said,

1013
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: right now, I know, well, I agree that. I'm trying

1014
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: to see what you're gonna say about that other position though,

1015
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: wide receiver, wide receiver. This class is loaded, and there's

1016
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: no reason you need to just didn't get good that.

1017
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: There's no reason you need to spend that pick on

1018
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,479
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. In my I if the Virginia Tech

1019
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: linebacker for Maine Edmonds kind of falls a little bit,

1020
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: he would be a guy I think I would look

1021
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 1: at that's it's it's so hard right now. And that's

1022
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: the big thing about the combine is it helps solidifying

1023
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: no doubt. Well, he ain't better than Quan Smith. It's well,

1024
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 1: Roquan Smith looks like a big old safety. I think

1025
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: he doesn't play that way, but he kind of looks that.

1026
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: Roquan Smith is more in the vein of your Dion Jones,

1027
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 1: like the modern small, fast linebacker, which this defense, that's

1028
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: what I kind of want to see is the guy

1029
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: that can go sideline the sideline faster than anybody, which, right,

1030
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 1: But what if he looks like Levon Kirkland doing it

1031
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: like this Edmond's guy? Is that the way? Is that

1032
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 1: what he is? He's like Edmonds looks an looks like

1033
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: ur Locker Like he's like six four two five, big

1034
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: old you know he could play all three spots similar

1035
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: skill though, yeah, I mean he's just bigger, bigger. I

1036
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: don't think he's just I don't know. That's probably not

1037
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: as fast as remember this when when the Cowboys, because

1038
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna get thrown quarterbacks in your face. Every time

1039
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 1: you look at any draft thing, it's it's about you know,

1040
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, what about Baker Mayfield? As a Cowboy fan,

1041
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 1: you want them to just go crazy, throw, don't let

1042
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: the ball hit the ground at their pro day, be

1043
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: off the charts. That's four spots ahead of you that

1044
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: have to be drafted. And maybe Lamar Jackson, if he

1045
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,919
Speaker 1: can have a great workout, he might somebody a five

1046
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: guy maybe, Or there's there's two ways to look at that.

1047
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: Do you want all, you want a whole bunch of

1048
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: quarterbacks going and pushing players to you, or do you

1049
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: want quarterbacks lasting so that somebody at the back of

1050
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: the draft on a trade wants to jump up to

1051
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,399
Speaker 1: nineteen and get their guy. Quarterbacks affect everyone. They really

1052
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: Dave saying it. It's right, especially with Jerry. Jerry's proven.

1053
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: There's been two occasions where a guy has fallen to

1054
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 1: them in the nineteen twenty twenty one spot and they've

1055
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 1: traded out and got to pick next year. That's what

1056
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: I don't like though, because I feel like right now

1057
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 1: what this team has is a less specially on defense.

1058
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: I feel like they have a lot of good players,

1059
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: they don't have enough catalytic players. They don't have enough

1060
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:01,280
Speaker 1: players that change games. And to me, you start dropping

1061
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: down into the twenties, and I think that's where you

1062
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:05,959
Speaker 1: get to that really and you, guys, you can tell

1063
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 1: me how many guys in this in this draft actually

1064
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: will have first round grades, usually somewhere around that seventeen

1065
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,720
Speaker 1: nineteen range. You start getting into twenties, you're really drafting

1066
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: second round talent. I think the first round of this

1067
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 1: draft is pretty weak compared to They may even be

1068
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: higher than nineteen, like it maybe fifteen, fourteen, thirteen, So

1069
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: I mean it's usually between sixteen and eighteen something like that.

1070
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 1: I would response equal another response when you said that

1071
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 1: earlier this week, but you said it was a kind

1072
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 1: of week. We were just like, oh okay, what earlier

1073
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: in the week you and Brian had some good conversation. Well,

1074
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, we got an argument on the show.

1075
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: He was like, you're just being lazy, blah blah blah.

1076
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 1: Go look at twenty sixteen. Go look at twenty sixteen,

1077
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: and all the studs came out of that draft and

1078
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: tell me that this one looks as good to you.

1079
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: I I don't know, but I go back and forth

1080
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: on that because I mean Travis Frederick was picked thirty one,

1081
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence was picked thirty four. I know the DeMarcus

1082
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: Lawrence they picked at the time, and the one that

1083
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: it's about to get paid or not the same guy.

1084
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: That's the point you get into the second round, your

1085
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: second round talent you their second round is usually because

1086
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: of other things combined with their skill. That's the either

1087
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: haven't done it enough, whether they got an injury or

1088
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 1: something like that pushes them the second round talent, right,

1089
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 1: But what happens in the war room if one of

1090
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,919
Speaker 1: those quarterbacks fall and and somebody says, we'll take your

1091
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 1: your pick, We'll take your draft pick for next year's one. Now.

1092
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: Typically Jerry loves that idea. But you've got a coach

1093
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: who can't go nine and seven, can't really get into

1094
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: the playoffs and not win a game now and not

1095
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: you know, get to stay here next year. He's gonna

1096
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: have to go around or too deep in the playoffs.

1097
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: And so you know, do I want to help? Oh?

1098
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: Who am I helping next year? I need an these

1099
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 1: players now. So that would be in an interesting scenario

1100
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 1: if that happens and the coaches in the room going

1101
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: next year, my ass, we've got to win now. My

1102
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,720
Speaker 1: pet cat of all pet cats is a wide receiver

1103
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: by the name of DJ Moore out of the University

1104
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: of Maryland. Okay, uh, he's telling me about him. What

1105
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: does he do? Will He's not impressive like from a

1106
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 1: physical no no, no no no from AKA from a physical stamp.

1107
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: Let's say he's like five ten, two hundred pounds. But

1108
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,240
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't play wide receiver in the NFL.

1109
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: Um but he played at Maryland, which is they've been

1110
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: a dumpster fire for most time. I saw him a

1111
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: close and personable glehead. But well yeah, he well he

1112
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: so you know exactly what I want you to tell

1113
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: all the listeners. He he does a little bit of everything.

1114
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,720
Speaker 1: Like he's a fantastic route runner, he's got fantastic hands,

1115
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 1: he can play outside even for a short productive. In college,

1116
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 1: he played at Maryland, where he had eight different quarterbacks.

1117
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,359
Speaker 1: During his college career, Um caught one hundred and forty

1118
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,280
Speaker 1: six balls for two thousand yards and seventeen touchdowns, average

1119
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: fourteen yards per catch. And again this is I mean,

1120
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: he was cycling through quarterbacks like nobody's business. No no

1121
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,720
Speaker 1: passing threat whatsoever. For his junior year, he caught eighty

1122
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: balls for a thousand yards and eight touchdowns. Was the

1123
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: Big ten receiver of the year for Maryland. Like in

1124
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: a conference that has Ohio State and Michigan and Penn State,

1125
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: you know, all these badasses, he was the receiver of

1126
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: the year. Um, I'm stealing a line from Dane Brugler,

1127
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 1: but Dane always compares him to Steve Smith. That's exactly

1128
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: what I was thinking. How could you not love that? Absolutely?

1129
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: I just like you know, he's a polished route runner.

1130
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: He's got awesome hands. He just gets I mean, he's

1131
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 1: not gonna go up and do you know he's not

1132
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: gonna go up and out muscle people like dead. But

1133
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: he's just gonna be open all the time. Just the

1134
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 1: one thing I don't like a band. He's gonna he's

1135
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 1: gonna give you a gmbo goomb Yeah, every time he

1136
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: catches the ball, So I gotta makes you get those

1137
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: right every time he catches, like he's not he's not

1138
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 1: just going down, you know, like he's gonna fight that. Yeah. Though,

1139
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 1: But what does worry me a little bit is it

1140
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: just adds to your list of sub six foot wide receivers,

1141
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: which you know, do you want to be? I mean,

1142
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: do you want size or do you think you need more?

1143
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: Doesn't bother Antonio Brown. No, that's a good point. I

1144
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: don't care about. I mean, like good point. And I'm

1145
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: not getting rid of Dez Bryant, so I'm not forfeiting

1146
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:14,760
Speaker 1: that say that about Antonio Brown. Um, but the guys

1147
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: around him, you know, like got a ton of big

1148
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: guy yeah, big guys around him, So you kind of

1149
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: wonder if you need more of a balance there. I mean, like,

1150
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: I really like Christian Kirk a lot, and he's another

1151
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 1: small guy who's mainly a slot guy too, So I

1152
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: don't know. I again, I'm a piggyback guy when it

1153
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: comes to the draft, like most people are. They like

1154
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,359
Speaker 1: other people's reports on what they see. Now, these guys

1155
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,839
Speaker 1: on the Draft show are watching the tape. You gotta

1156
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: give him credit there, one of the guys that I

1157
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 1: like and I got. Dane kind of told me about

1158
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: it first and then I just started looking at him

1159
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: and running back North Carolina State Naheim Hines. Yeah, this guy. Now, second,

1160
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: he might be too rich for you. He might be

1161
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 1: a guy like David saying, we're just will work his

1162
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 1: you know, run his way up the charts. Where but

1163
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 1: track guy plays running back. Usually see track guy as

1164
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 1: a receiver. This guy track just thick, but but you

1165
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: know runs hard by to him, he is explosive. He

1166
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: a guy that might get into that four three four

1167
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: maybe I don't know exactly. I mean, if he's a

1168
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: track guy, he's got to be in that in that

1169
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 1: range you think, you know, but he's I think watching

1170
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: what Kamara did last year, you know that type of

1171
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: guy can help teams. I mean, the Cowboys still want

1172
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: that guy. They want they wanted Lance Dumbar to work.

1173
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: Would you take a running back in the second day

1174
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 1: of the draft, in the second yes? Yeah, I think

1175
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 1: in the second day, yes, the second day you talk round.

1176
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: Would you take a running back in the second great question?

1177
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 1: Third round? Yeah? I mean, but I don't know if hinz.

1178
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: You know what the problem about that is is Hines

1179
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 1: has to prove that he is a every down type

1180
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: of back because I think with this team, with what

1181
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 1: we've seen, you need. You need to get a guy

1182
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:02,879
Speaker 1: that could say, all right, if something happens, does Zeke,

1183
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: even if it's a game or two. Yeah, I would,

1184
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 1: And that's the Dumbar couldn't do that. I've heard you

1185
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: talk about that guy before, and I know Dane and

1186
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: Brian talk about him. I'm I'll just give me three

1187
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 1: war daddy running backs like you. I mean, you got

1188
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: Zeke rod Smith is six three. Just give me another

1189
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 1: well rounded, bigger that you're okay taking fourth. Fifth. Yeah.

1190
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: You don't want your Chris Thompson type guy. You don't

1191
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 1: want that. You don't want that short, little speed guy.

1192
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: I would rather just have. I mean preferably he can

1193
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: catch the ball, but like he doesn't need to be

1194
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: so specialized that he's like Lance Dumbar, you know, like

1195
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: you can find a running back who's five eleven to

1196
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: ten who can catch the ball, you know, because because

1197
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 1: I think what people forget about Kamara too is that

1198
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: he could run the ball right up the middle and

1199
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,760
Speaker 1: he did it. Well. Yeah, mar is not a super

1200
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: small guy. No, he's just compact um. He looks kind

1201
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 1: of thin to me, but I don't know, maybe that's

1202
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:57,919
Speaker 1: just the way he looks. Kamara. I'll be a real

1203
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,959
Speaker 1: homer for a sex since I just said I wasn't.

1204
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: And I'm just throwing this out there as an example,

1205
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 1: but Darryl Williams, senior running back out of LSU, he

1206
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: was stuck behind first round picks his whole career, better

1207
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 1: than guys. I mean, I'm not saying, You're just saying

1208
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 1: he's absolutely not a good guy that didn't get He's

1209
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: a solid running back who didn't see a lot. I

1210
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: mean he didn't see as much of the field as

1211
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: he would have at almost any other program. Really good player,

1212
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: can catch the ball, powerful guy, could do everything you

1213
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: need him to, could probably get him in the fourth

1214
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: or fifth round and bring him on. And let's not

1215
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 1: forget that guys like that. I mean, he don't have

1216
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 1: a ton of wear and tear on him. Good point,

1217
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: because he's already I think. I mean, because of how

1218
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: much this team leans on the run and because of

1219
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: how much you can't count on Zeke at least that's

1220
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: what we've seen so far. I think running back is

1221
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: a sneaky concern. And I like Rod Smith, but he's

1222
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 1: only under contract for one more year. Like, get me

1223
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:52,919
Speaker 1: another guy who's going to be on a four year

1224
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: deal who can come in here and will cost less

1225
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: than an Alfred Morris and has less tread on his

1226
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 1: tires than an Alfred Morris. I think that's a I mean,

1227
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 1: preferably not in the third round. But if you told

1228
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: me it was like just a badass, I'd be okay

1229
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: with it. All right, let's say we appreciate you guys

1230
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: join us. We are back in two weeks. Next week

1231
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: you meet, you should make sure you check out the

1232
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: Draft Show. We'll have it running everyday next week except

1233
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: for Tuesday. I think it is we might be joining

1234
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: the show on Tuesday. We might Yeah, we might do

1235
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: a joint show next week, but just stay tuned for

1236
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: the to the website. We'll let you know when all

1237
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 1: the shows are going to happen, but definitely will be

1238
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: some live show shows happening at the Draft at the

1239
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,640
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1240
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:32,439
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