Speaker 1: Look Mayre.
Speaker 2: Oh, I see you look over there is that culture. Yes, wow, lost.
Speaker 1: Culture did dull lost culturistas calling?
Speaker 2: All right, bo, now we both have some topical things
Speaker 2: to discuss.
Speaker 1: We do. I think you have the more pertinent thing,
Speaker 1: which is that you went to the big festival. Tell
Speaker 1: us about that.
Speaker 2: I wish to go to the festival, and I did
Speaker 2: go to the festival, the festival being in the Coachello
Speaker 2: Day Festival. Yes, I went. I had. It was the
Speaker 2: first time I ever went. I'm back from the desert.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna call my experience a nine out of ten.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: It was really wonderful in that like it was a
Speaker 2: new experience and it was many good experiences. I will
Speaker 2: say it rotated between being the worst moments of my
Speaker 2: life and then like it was like an hour of
Speaker 2: the best and then two minutes of the worst, like
Speaker 2: when you're in like very So then that nine at ten,
Speaker 2: that just brought it down to a nine. But I
Speaker 2: experienced much culture there. Rosalia is unbelievable. I mean it's
Speaker 2: just insane.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then I saw the Chemical Brothers. Do you know
Speaker 2: about them?
Speaker 1: Yeah? The Chemical Brothers are true classic irk, the true icon.
Speaker 1: Chemical have been around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I sort of got into a state and then
Speaker 2: watched them and it was really amazing. Muna absolutely killed it.
Speaker 2: It was so boy genius came out. It was unbelievable.
Speaker 2: The one thing I'll say is, and I don't even
Speaker 2: know whether or not it's like, I don't think so honey,
Speaker 2: but the Frank of it all, the Frank Ocean of
Speaker 2: it all. Right, So I was there very much experiencing
Speaker 2: the Frank Ocean breakdown as it was happening, and I
Speaker 2: would say it was almost too confusing and concerning to
Speaker 2: be I don't think so Honey level, because there was
Speaker 2: so clearly something wrong and something going on that he
Speaker 2: just was that late, was that lame, and then left
Speaker 2: that abruptly. It was just I felt bad for everyone
Speaker 2: that really went to that music festival just to see him,
Speaker 2: which was a lot of people. It felt like, right,
Speaker 2: it wasn't a good vibe.
Speaker 1: I haven't quite dissected this for myself yet, but it
Speaker 1: just I feel like as a viewing public, we have
Speaker 1: seen a version of this happen, not at this scale.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's Coachella, but you know, I feel like there
Speaker 1: are experiences where I've seen an artist I won't name names.
Speaker 1: I've seen an artist like really like, you know, when
Speaker 1: that does happen, it's like you can't really like jeer
Speaker 1: and boo because it's like, Okay, that person, there's something
Speaker 1: going on that we can't really weigh in on, and
Speaker 1: that's okay, and maybe that maybe that's the situation for Frank.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was no jeering or booing. It was more
Speaker 2: of sort of just like thousands and thousands of people
Speaker 2: sort of being like oh hmmm, yeah, yeah, and then
Speaker 2: we all kind of left. They built a roller, not
Speaker 2: a real skate ring. They built an ice skating rink
Speaker 2: for his performance on the stage, and then had to
Speaker 2: melt the ice skating rink and break it down because
Speaker 2: he decided he didn't want it, and then came out
Speaker 2: and sang I think between five and six songs, but
Speaker 2: with long breaks in between.
Speaker 1: It was odd.
Speaker 2: And also, you know, there's only three headliners and one
Speaker 2: of them is like rare. Then it's kind of like,
Speaker 2: oh and it's the Sunday night, so then it ends
Speaker 2: on a bad note. But overall it was really fun.
Speaker 2: Black Pink was in the area. They were very fun.
Speaker 2: Those girls really they do have choreo down, and that's
Speaker 2: actually a rural culture. Number nineteen Black Black Pink. Those
Speaker 2: girls they really do have choreo down. The four of
Speaker 2: them together, they simply dance and sync. They really do.
Speaker 1: I love that this was your first music festival. I've
Speaker 1: only been to one. It was at the now defunct
Speaker 1: Mile High Music Festival in two thousand and nine. This
Speaker 1: was years ago, and I have not gone back since
Speaker 1: you did break your known new gay men policy. I
Speaker 1: do want to point out you didn't meet some new
Speaker 1: gay people, and I feel like you've betrayed your own values.
Speaker 2: Okay, first of all, criticism from you. First of all,
Speaker 2: I don't need any policing from you. Okay, just just
Speaker 2: before you get into this right now and then tradition
Speaker 2: into whatever it is you having gone. I don't need
Speaker 2: the criticism from you. I can reinstate and game not
Speaker 2: criticize it at any pace. No, because you have a tone,
Speaker 2: you really don't have it.
Speaker 1: To know, there's no tone. I'm pretty neutral, I feel, but.
Speaker 2: Okay, well now so far so neutral. Now, what's going
Speaker 2: on with you bo i?
Speaker 1: This just happened before we went on the zoom. There
Speaker 1: is something going on with gay men in my life
Speaker 1: who I might have gone on one date with that
Speaker 1: you know, was perfectly mid fine mid maybe not gone
Speaker 1: on a date with, maybe skipped to like the saucier
Speaker 1: parts and skip the date altogether.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you skip right from the meeting to the sauciness.
Speaker 2: And that's gay culture, unfortunately.
Speaker 1: And that's gay culture. But there's there, there are men
Speaker 1: from all of these buckets who are in the last
Speaker 1: week reaching out to be like, Hey, will you host
Speaker 1: a gala for my work or something?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I ay, gala.
Speaker 1: Not a gay gala, but like they'll work at some
Speaker 1: I don't know, they'll work at some company, and they go,
Speaker 1: we have this meeting, this is like retreats adjacent thing,
Speaker 1: and they'll be like, will you host it? And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what to say. I haven't heard from you.
Speaker 1: This is how you're gonna zombie me. I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: This is not my I don't think so honey. That'll
Speaker 1: I have a totally different thing that feels also pertinent.
Speaker 2: But I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm just noticing that and I have to unfortunately dig
Speaker 1: further down into no new gay men policy for myself,
Speaker 1: right that's.
Speaker 2: Just because the thing that feels like is happening with
Speaker 2: you is that you meet a new gay men and
Speaker 2: suddenly they're asking me to host a gala. And I
Speaker 2: know that all the girls out there listening to this
Speaker 2: are sort of understanding they said meta, they're asking me
Speaker 2: to host their gala, and I'm sure no one's going
Speaker 2: to feel extremely specifically targeted by this and listening.
Speaker 1: I never said that this was a universal experience. I
Speaker 1: understand this to be pretty unique. I just think it
Speaker 1: seems universal on the other end, where the unifying gay
Speaker 1: experience right now is to ask Bowen Yanko Gala to
Speaker 1: host your gala and I don't think I can do it.
Speaker 2: And have you said no to all galas?
Speaker 1: I have not said no to all gallas. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not ruling out gallas. I'm just noticing that there
Speaker 1: is this uptick of gallas.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this is galaus season. It's it's galas season.
Speaker 2: People are sort of getting out their best galla gowns.
Speaker 1: When is the met Gala again? I think it's in
Speaker 1: two weeks.
Speaker 2: Oh that's so soon. See what I'm saying. It's gala season,
Speaker 2: So we've sort of come out of Facy season and
Speaker 2: into Gala season. Mercury is going back in retrograde and
Speaker 2: a mistake there, no mistake. And can I just clarify
Speaker 2: I don't like gay men still since the beginning of
Speaker 2: this year. I don't like gay men anymore. I'm just
Speaker 2: willing to tolerate them in small groups. But you should
Speaker 2: have seen me at Coachella. But you would have been
Speaker 2: very well you went to Coachella. Yeah, well, a gay
Speaker 2: man would sort of approach and I would sort of
Speaker 2: do this. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: You say over there, move in, You'll go over there?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: Move in? Is the slowgan?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Keep it moving, oh yeah, keep it moving. Tweaker.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing. So we've both had our experiences
Speaker 2: at festivals in Gallas, which so far is the title
Speaker 2: of app Festivals and Gallas. But basically what's happening now
Speaker 2: is this is a moment in time for the podcast
Speaker 2: and for the culture at large.
Speaker 1: I would say, bo absolutely, and I think it's relevant
Speaker 1: to bring up like our sort of general social malaise
Speaker 1: between you and I. I'm just like, I don't really
Speaker 1: want to like engage too much with people right now.
Speaker 1: What I will do is completely withdraw, retreat in a
Speaker 1: healthy way, and watch everything our guest has been in.
Speaker 1: Literally watch every interview that is on YouTube of our gap.
Speaker 1: Because you described it as ASMR. It's ASMR. There's just
Speaker 1: something so it feels like aqua for it feels like
Speaker 1: something like an ointment. It feels like something that can heal.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: I one hundred percent to can I say. I think
Speaker 2: I've said this on the podcast before, but if you
Speaker 2: ever want to feel safe, just sit yourself down in
Speaker 2: front of the work of our guests and you will
Speaker 2: feel taken care of, You will feel healed, you will
Speaker 2: feel entertained. And isn't that what you want out there?
Speaker 2: If you're listening to this podcast right now, do you
Speaker 2: not want to be entertained. If that's not the case,
Speaker 2: then don't watch our guest work. I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: know what to say. I said last week on the podcast.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: If you're not ready for a fucking ten, then turn
Speaker 2: off the Melanielinsky Project. If you're not ready for a ten.
Speaker 2: This is one of the coolest days we've had on
Speaker 2: the podcast so far. I can't believe it's just going
Speaker 2: to be a Wednesday drop. It doesn't follow weeks of fanfare.
Speaker 2: It's just going to be something we give to the
Speaker 2: readers on a Wednesday. These lucky fuckers, I am so excited.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like literally fruitless to list all the credits.
Speaker 2: What you need to know, right, true, is that our
Speaker 2: guest is absolute as gay men say, we would know
Speaker 2: because we don't talk to them anymore. But turning the
Speaker 2: party diva's down, we need a triage. These divas that
Speaker 2: are collapsing on all sides of our guests on Yellow
Speaker 2: Jackets on showtime just a true legend.
Speaker 1: Bo a true legend, I gosh. I mean the irony
Speaker 1: is that her work is healing, even though recently of
Speaker 1: late it is brutal, extremely violent between yellow Jackets, between candy,
Speaker 1: between the last of us. People are dying left on
Speaker 1: these shows, left and right, and our guest is dying.
Speaker 1: Our guest is dying constantly by entities by either you know,
Speaker 1: a mushroom guy or Jessica Biel. You just you never know.
Speaker 2: What would be worse. Well, I guess we can ask
Speaker 2: our guests.
Speaker 1: Well, we'll ask our guests, who is it worse to
Speaker 1: be murdered by? That'll be the first question. We're so
Speaker 1: honored and thrilled she is here. I briefly got to
Speaker 1: meet her earlier this last year. It was the highlight
Speaker 1: of the Emmys night for me. I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't care what happens. I got to meet her, I
Speaker 1: got to meet Jason, I got to meet Tanya, I
Speaker 1: got to meet Julia, I met every I got to
Speaker 1: meet Oh my god, everybody. Oh my god. It was
Speaker 1: so stuck, especially our guest Christina was there. I couldn't
Speaker 1: believe it. We're so so thrilled. Wow. Everyone, please welcome
Speaker 1: into your ears me Lyn.
Speaker 3: Wow, Oh my god, you guys, that's such a nice introduction.
Speaker 3: I can't believe it.
Speaker 2: Well, we had to basically, after we tortured you with
Speaker 2: the mic setup we had, we had to do some.
Speaker 3: Sorry I tortured you with the mic set up. No,
Speaker 3: I was not prepared with all the different things. I'm
Speaker 3: so bad at it.
Speaker 1: It's our responsibility to educate and we didn't do that,
Speaker 1: and I think we we failed you and Doug. Thank
Speaker 1: god for Doug. Doug was able to swoop in and
Speaker 1: save the day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Doug did a wonderful job. Everybody educated me. It
Speaker 3: was my fault only.
Speaker 2: No, we're putting this to you now. Who was it
Speaker 2: worse to be murdered by a sea of mushroom people?
Speaker 2: Are Jessica Biale?
Speaker 3: Probably a sea of mushroom people?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was more technical. I mean, Jessica, we choreographed
Speaker 3: like a big fight scene that we had to do together,
Speaker 3: and it was it was very heartbreaking and difficult, but
Speaker 3: it was also kind of an incredible experience. Anytime you
Speaker 3: get to work with Jessica bial it's pretty amazing. I
Speaker 3: really love her.
Speaker 2: You love Jessica bial that's.
Speaker 1: I love really good to know.
Speaker 3: I absolutely love her. And as an actor, she's so
Speaker 3: exciting to work with. There's so much happening. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: love her.
Speaker 2: She's underrated.
Speaker 1: She's very undergraded. Extremely Yeah, you were saying she was giving.
Speaker 1: She's one of those actors who gives something different on
Speaker 1: every take. It's like a Juliette Lewis kind of thing
Speaker 1: where it's like, oh my gosh, nothing.
Speaker 3: Is to Juliet Lewis. Nothing except for Juliet Lewis is
Speaker 3: a Juliet Lewis experience. It's just that you're just kind
Speaker 3: of witnessing and you're just like what's going to happen? Wait,
Speaker 3: it's so amazing. But yeah, Jess definitely like give something different,
Speaker 3: is very very present, very connected. It's really it's great.
Speaker 1: The whole last episode of Candy Matt, have you seen it?
Speaker 1: I mean no, it's scary, it's gory. Like I think.
Speaker 2: The thing is the thing is that you'd like it.
Speaker 2: With everything, I at least peek in. Okay, I at
Speaker 2: least peek in on everything. But that's been my thing
Speaker 2: with Yellow Jackets is it is. As I'm sure you
Speaker 2: know from working quite extensively on the project, it is
Speaker 2: what i'd refer to a brutal and relentless show.
Speaker 3: I know I've heard you talk about it on the podcast.
Speaker 2: I can't.
Speaker 3: I love it. I I'd love this podcast. My friend
Speaker 3: Matt told me once that, you guys, he's wonderful. He's
Speaker 3: been one of my best friend since we're fifteen years
Speaker 3: old in New Plymouth, New Zealand. Oh cool, and he
Speaker 3: lives here in Los Angeles now, thank god. But he
Speaker 3: was like, I can't believe you don't listen to that.
Speaker 3: He was like, it's so weird to me that you
Speaker 3: don't listen to last called Touristas I was like, I'm
Speaker 3: not really like a podcast person, and he was like,
Speaker 3: well that's okay, full judgment. He really judged me for it.
Speaker 3: So then I started just to tell Matt like, you know,
Speaker 3: I gave it a chance, and then I was in love, obsisted.
Speaker 3: I had to go back into the archives.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're not going to archives.
Speaker 3: He is quite far back into the archives, like it
Speaker 3: was all I would listen. Oh no, yeah, no, it's great.
Speaker 3: There has not been a bad episode.
Speaker 1: I see that. That is the big claim we've had
Speaker 1: over three hundred.
Speaker 2: They're okay, sure, we're not talking about Meleylansky's filmography here
Speaker 2: where there's actually no bad things. I was just no,
Speaker 2: I mean, I was actually just reading an interview with
Speaker 2: you in my in my research, but you were saying
Speaker 2: your number one thing is to pick good scripts or
Speaker 2: things that you think have the potential to be lasting,
Speaker 2: or a project you want to be a part of,
Speaker 2: and not necessarily like looking what the role is for me,
Speaker 2: et cetera. You said you got that advice from Matt Damon,
Speaker 2: and I wonder like when that changes for you, when
Speaker 2: it bridges from being like I'm a working actor, I'm
Speaker 2: really just trying to get the next job to when
Speaker 2: you can be more discerning and when you can feel
Speaker 2: like you can actually like, you know, key into the
Speaker 2: things that you think are substantial. Like, do you remember
Speaker 2: when that point was.
Speaker 3: I mean, I tried to do that even when I
Speaker 3: didn't have very many options. I you know, even just
Speaker 3: auditioning for things. I tried to not audition for things
Speaker 3: that I didn't feel somewhat passionate about. I didn't always
Speaker 3: have that option. There were times when I just needed
Speaker 3: to work like everybody. But then at a certain point,
Speaker 3: I think it was like after the movie I did
Speaker 3: with Matt Damon, I did a couple of other movies
Speaker 3: that year that were well received, and things kind of
Speaker 3: shifted a little bit after that, and I get to
Speaker 3: be a bit more picky. So I was lucky to
Speaker 3: have just gotten that great advice from Matt Damon.
Speaker 2: Well, thank god for Matt Damon on set. Thank God
Speaker 2: he's going to be kicked. I picture Mat Damon in
Speaker 2: my mind. I like, let me tell you something. Is
Speaker 2: he running the room.
Speaker 3: No, he's very charismatic, but he's not. He's kind of
Speaker 3: the only famous person that I've ever been around where
Speaker 3: you don't know when he's into the room, like you
Speaker 3: can kind of sneak up behind you on the shoulder
Speaker 3: and you're like, oh, Matt Damon. Everyone else there's sort
Speaker 3: of like a thing of feeling and people kind of
Speaker 3: like but he can just he can kind of be
Speaker 3: undetected in a way that a lot of other famous
Speaker 3: people can't.
Speaker 2: He should work in a hunted have.
Speaker 1: I s.
Speaker 2: Amazing, very incredible.
Speaker 1: This is truly the most like I or ely anecdote
Speaker 1: I can say right now. But I can confirm this
Speaker 1: because I literally this was last week. I walked into work.
Speaker 1: I walked onto the eighth floor of work. We share
Speaker 1: the same floor as Seth Myers. He must have been
Speaker 1: there to promote air. But literally, I like walk, i
Speaker 1: walk out, I say hi to some crew guys. I'm
Speaker 1: like hey, what's up, Hey, what's up? And then out
Speaker 1: of nowhere, he like bounds out of the hallway, taps
Speaker 1: me on the shoulder says, hey, how's it going man.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh hey, I was like, oh, just
Speaker 1: some I was like, that's some guy who works here.
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, no, that was that was Matt Damon.
Speaker 1: And it was that thing of like he just kind
Speaker 1: of like is able to like blend into the sort
Speaker 1: of ambient aspect of whatever space he's in. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: that is impressive. That is truly amazing.
Speaker 3: It is really impressive. And I think it's why he's
Speaker 3: kind of both like movie stat and character actor, because
Speaker 3: he can like disappear into a role in a way
Speaker 3: that like so many famous people can't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll never forget true, like Goodwill Hunting, Like, it's
Speaker 2: so funny that he does like sort of disappear in
Speaker 2: my everyday life because Goodwill Hunting just remember like him
Speaker 2: on screen and his like side bang, Remember that Iconic's
Speaker 2: nineties side bang they would all have, and He's.
Speaker 1: Like him and Leo were really yeah, oh yeah, they were.
Speaker 2: Kings something like sort of flop hair. And of course
Speaker 2: I don't use flop as a pejorative here, and flop
Speaker 2: is not being used in a derogatory way. I'm using
Speaker 2: simply as to describe the shape of their hair, which
Speaker 2: I'm sort of doing right now in the Zoom. But
Speaker 2: that was like peak nineties hair. It was like that
Speaker 2: like sort of Dawson's Creek, but elevated to an Oscar
Speaker 2: caliber film. You really couldn't do better than that. And
Speaker 2: for someone who really blends into a room, even a
Speaker 2: studio eight h aro on sets of films, he absolutely
Speaker 2: explodes off the screen. And we celebrate Matt Damon for that,
Speaker 2: and we want to announce that Matt Damon is a finalist.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, really he's a finalist. Congrats Matt. This
Speaker 2: is the biggest honor of your career.
Speaker 3: I'm sure it's probably up there you think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very nice, Melanie. We're gonna get some returns
Speaker 1: by the end of the episode. But I think there's
Speaker 1: a really good shot that you are a finalist as well.
Speaker 2: Know you're a finalist. Do you know what it means
Speaker 2: to be a finalist?
Speaker 3: I do know what it means.
Speaker 2: It's a new term. Okay, great, because it's in the lexicon.
Speaker 3: No, it's a brand new tune. But I listen, I
Speaker 3: heard it. I heard you talking about it.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about let's.
Speaker 3: Talk about it. I know that Dacy Kadden.
Speaker 2: Is she's a finalist. She's going to be Thrilled's gonna
Speaker 2: be yeah, absolutely, she's going to be thrilled to hear
Speaker 2: you say her name out loud. You first of all,
Speaker 2: let's let's stop it right there, because here's the thing.
Speaker 2: I think people often forget that you have this accent
Speaker 2: because you are a master of dialects. But then you
Speaker 2: do a spittake and almost spit off your coffee as
Speaker 2: I'm saying that. But the thing is, it is true,
Speaker 2: Like how did you get so good at this?
Speaker 3: I just watched a lot of movies, really said, I'm
Speaker 3: good at it.
Speaker 2: So it's not like intensive, like like speech and dialect
Speaker 2: training at university.
Speaker 3: No, I never waked it. I went to university for
Speaker 3: a year. Did go to university for a year, No,
Speaker 3: I did say. But there was sometimes when I would
Speaker 3: have a dialect coach on set for a job, and
Speaker 3: I would try to get as much information from them
Speaker 3: as I could about other accents so I could.
Speaker 1: Like Alabama, it was so perfectly keyed in for that.
Speaker 3: Thank you. We had a dialect coach for that who
Speaker 3: was wonderful.
Speaker 1: Her name was always helpful.
Speaker 3: She was concerned, she was concerned about the accent, getting
Speaker 3: the accent right.
Speaker 1: I don't know about her, y'all.
Speaker 2: I don't know about Melanie. Lynskey said that.
Speaker 3: She's always been very supportive.
Speaker 2: I'm sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she cried we saw each other at the Emmys
Speaker 3: and she burst into tears.
Speaker 1: What Oh yeah. I was like, look where.
Speaker 3: We both are. We're both nominated, I know. I was like,
Speaker 3: you have an oscar.
Speaker 2: We got to get you one of those.
Speaker 3: You've been in this position before. But it was so
Speaker 3: sweet that she was like moved by it and like
Speaker 3: happy for me. It was really sweet. Sweet.
Speaker 2: We love reesing this house.
Speaker 3: Oh, she's so good.
Speaker 2: You have to have so many like old friends, like
Speaker 2: from starting out, because I mean, let's just say it started.
Speaker 2: It all started with Heavenly Creatures, which was your first time.
Speaker 3: Acting, my first time acting like like traditionally yeah, outside
Speaker 3: of like a school play or local theater.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was what ninety five.
Speaker 3: We filmed it in ninety three and it came out
Speaker 3: in ninety four, right, Yeah, I was fifteen when I
Speaker 3: did it.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And so that's you and Kate Winslet, and she's sort
Speaker 2: of iconically still around. We actually just saw her in
Speaker 2: Avatar to the Way of Water.
Speaker 3: Oh, who did you talk about It's the first time
Speaker 3: I wanted to see that movie was after you talked
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 2: Suddenly, Yeah, you don't have an interesting Avatar?
Speaker 3: No, sorry, I don't.
Speaker 1: That's okay, no problem. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't understand it. It's hard for me to connet.
Speaker 2: Sure you're not one with the no so many billions
Speaker 2: are It's okay, I don't.
Speaker 3: So many billions. Yes, they don't need me.
Speaker 2: But I would imagine it's like this thing of like
Speaker 2: you'll be at an event or something like like let's
Speaker 2: say that Emmys or Critics Choice or whatever it is,
Speaker 2: and you'll look around and you'll be like, oh, I
Speaker 2: know I've known that person for like thirty years.
Speaker 3: In some cases, yes, yeah, that does happen. I know
Speaker 3: it's so weird.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's so old. No, no, no, but that's it's
Speaker 1: just that like for you to describe the scene and
Speaker 1: don't look up where you're like throwing kills at Leo
Speaker 1: right like he walks back in with Kate Blanchette. You're
Speaker 1: like for you to say that, like Kate Blanchette being
Speaker 1: in the room was comforting to you, that like, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, this is my old friend. For Kate Blanchette
Speaker 1: to be this comforting presence because of your friendship over
Speaker 1: the years, I think that's like where it's sort of
Speaker 1: all sort of it cashes in, like these relationships that
Speaker 1: you've built for you know, such a long time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could not believe what my brain was telling
Speaker 3: me that day, Like, thank God for Kate. It's gonna
Speaker 3: be the one. It's gonna keep me calm and make
Speaker 3: me feel safe and okay, because I didn't know Adam McKay,
Speaker 3: I didn't know Leo, you know, nobody.
Speaker 1: Those first day of work.
Speaker 3: It was my first day of work.
Speaker 1: Oh wow wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's very grateful. Yeah, I know, so scary.
Speaker 1: I love that scene so much. And by the way,
Speaker 1: this is the big question that I wanted to ask
Speaker 1: you for a very long time, which is like I
Speaker 1: think you've said multiple times that your acting is is
Speaker 1: very instinctual. You're you know, you're not as precise as
Speaker 1: you would say other actors might be about like Okay,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be this and then this and this and
Speaker 1: then this is there's no like sequential thing to it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and yet I always find your performance is so precise
Speaker 1: and specific and like even even in yellow Jackets like
Speaker 1: last week, where you know, you know, your daughter's like,
Speaker 1: so you killed a guy and then you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: well no, like you just the face journey there is
Speaker 1: already so.
Speaker 2: Great.
Speaker 1: And I find it so interesting that you that this
Speaker 1: comes so naturally to you, and that is that is
Speaker 1: like a true mark of your skill. I guess I think.
Speaker 3: People just have different ways of working. Like I remember
Speaker 3: once I was on a flight and I was sitting
Speaker 3: next to somebody who was like highlighting all the different
Speaker 3: lines in their script with a different color highlighter and
Speaker 3: then going over their lines, and like I could see
Speaker 3: her choosing the gestures she was going to make like
Speaker 3: when she did the lines, and like practicing the same
Speaker 3: gesture like over and over on the line, and I
Speaker 3: just was like, isn't that interesting? Like it took everything
Speaker 3: in me to not just turn around and watch, because
Speaker 3: it's such a different process to really like map it
Speaker 3: out in that way. I don't know, I just have
Speaker 3: to let it happen. And it can be challenging if
Speaker 3: you're working with an actor who's not like giving a.
Speaker 1: Lot, because see, of course it's not collaborative.
Speaker 3: It's not collaborative, and you can feel like you're kind
Speaker 3: of running uphill and doing too much in that case.
Speaker 3: But I really do like to just see what happens
Speaker 3: when we get there.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine like being on a plane or whatever,
Speaker 2: and you have your script and you're sort of highlighting
Speaker 2: your script and you're rehearsing your gestures, and then you
Speaker 2: look over and Melanie Lensky is sort of staring at you,
Speaker 2: like perplexed, like like like, oh no, I'm I'm rehearsing
Speaker 2: my big gestures. This is not what.
Speaker 3: Judgment no judgment on It's just so different, you know.
Speaker 3: I just was fascinated by the process, Like that's a
Speaker 3: lot of wood.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one time I was. I was working with someone
Speaker 2: one time who it was very clear was not going
Speaker 2: to look at me during the scene, but they were
Speaker 2: sort of looking where they were going to look and
Speaker 2: like doing They were sort of doing like a picture
Speaker 2: for the camera, but it was not acting. They were
Speaker 2: sort of giving just like pictures for the camera like
Speaker 2: they were doing. And then there was me sort of
Speaker 2: sing there but like that, I guess that happens. That's
Speaker 2: that's film acting for some people. I'm sure they were
Speaker 2: very eas to edit. Later. Probably the editor probably was like, oh,
Speaker 2: this dream a series of pictures for me to put together.
Speaker 3: I know I feel bad for editors.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, but I feel like all of your things.
Speaker 1: I feel like you do have this continuity with all
Speaker 1: your scenes too, like oh, like the left arm was
Speaker 1: up and the left arm was up in the next
Speaker 1: in the next cut or something.
Speaker 3: That's editing. That's the hard work of editors, because I'm
Speaker 3: never paying attention to that. It's terrible, terrible.
Speaker 2: The script supervisors are like, Melanie, your left arm wasn't
Speaker 2: up in the air on that one. We needed We
Speaker 2: need you back to where you were, queen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I try.
Speaker 1: But so you're just one highlighter.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, speaking of your older stuff, like we were
Speaker 2: talking about ever After, as I'm sure you heard because
Speaker 2: we were talking about Drew Barrymore on the show.
Speaker 3: Yes I did.
Speaker 2: That was that your appearance on Drew Barrymore was so
Speaker 2: and obviously it went viral online, like you and Jason
Speaker 2: being there together. Yeah, but I just wanted to say,
Speaker 2: like you guys like that, it's beyond adorable. It's just
Speaker 2: like aspirational, especially as people out here who who now
Speaker 2: have like no new gay men rules because of our
Speaker 2: own recent or storied like you know, attempts to make
Speaker 2: relationships happen and stuff. What I was really like moved
Speaker 2: by and heartened by and made me feel hope again.
Speaker 2: Was you know, the bravery with which he came forward
Speaker 2: and was like sitting there and was like, yeah, like
Speaker 2: I had a lot of problems. I was really struggling,
Speaker 2: and then I met the love of my life and
Speaker 2: I decided to better myself for that person. And I
Speaker 2: just like, I was so inspired by that, because not
Speaker 2: everyone is like that. What was the response that you
Speaker 2: guys got from that? And what was it? I don't
Speaker 2: know if that was something that you guys had talked about,
Speaker 2: much like you probably intrinsically knew, but then there you are,
Speaker 2: like hearing him do this and really pouring his heart
Speaker 2: out and putting it out there. I was like, I
Speaker 2: wonder what that felt like.
Speaker 3: I was so surprised. He and I I've had a
Speaker 3: lot of conversations about everything because we've had to in therapy,
Speaker 3: but I didn't know he was going to talk about that,
Speaker 3: and it's not something that he has talked about publicly
Speaker 3: a whole lot, and neither has drew until very recently.
Speaker 3: And you know, I've been on I've known her for
Speaker 3: so many years and been on the journey with her
Speaker 3: of her process towards getting to this point in her
Speaker 3: life and the same with Jason, Like it wasn't an
Speaker 3: easy road, and I just in that moment felt kind
Speaker 3: of overwhelmed with pride and love for both of them
Speaker 3: that they're sitting there and they're in such good places
Speaker 3: in their life and they're really like kind and responsible people,
Speaker 3: and it just that they were talking to each other
Speaker 3: about it. I just it was almost too much in
Speaker 3: the moment for me to process. I just had to
Speaker 3: kind of be like, oh, this is lovely. And then
Speaker 3: later I was like, oh, I was such a huge
Speaker 3: I had to go and do another talk show afterwards.
Speaker 3: And I just didn't want to leave her, Like she
Speaker 3: came into our dressing room and kicked your shoes off
Speaker 3: when we were all sitting on the sofa just kind
Speaker 3: of like huddled, and I just was like, I don't
Speaker 3: want to leave this little cocoon. She's so special.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, she ain't coming into any rooms and you're
Speaker 2: not noticing that's because she immediately climbs up next to you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're just.
Speaker 2: Like chin on hand, Yeah, yeah, eyeball to eyeball. I
Speaker 2: love it.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: It's everyone. It's like it's like people that you can
Speaker 2: tell she's known for years, and also people that you
Speaker 2: know she's just met, like Chloe from Choe and Hallie
Speaker 2: was on her show, and I swear to god, I
Speaker 2: just saw a screenshot of the video and it's literally
Speaker 2: Drew like sitting on the chair with that was like,
Speaker 2: I love it, and everyone's just on board.
Speaker 3: It's so sweet. It's the boy.
Speaker 1: That was a really beautiful moment and you and you two,
Speaker 1: I don't know it was He's dropping off the kids
Speaker 1: at school right now. It's like, this is aspirational. It's
Speaker 1: what Matt was saying. It's like, you know, I are
Speaker 1: so jaded right now and we're just like what do
Speaker 1: we what are we doing?
Speaker 3: But it's nice to see.
Speaker 1: It's nice to see like a perfect example of this
Speaker 1: out in the world.
Speaker 3: I mean, there have been times in my life where
Speaker 3: I've tried, I've had to give myself a break and
Speaker 3: say no, no new news. Yeah very well, but you
Speaker 3: know it's difficult if you're like single and you're it's like, well,
Speaker 3: you know, how bad could it be? But you know
Speaker 3: it's a process and you're both so young, you're so so.
Speaker 1: Much life getting up there.
Speaker 3: That's coach Ella. I went once and I just kept
Speaker 3: saying to my husband at the time, Jimmy, please remind
Speaker 3: me take a picture of what I look like right
Speaker 3: now and how miserable I am. So anytime if they
Speaker 3: I want to do this again, and you can show
Speaker 3: me the picture and say no. Yeah, yeah, I never forgot.
Speaker 2: I was yeah.
Speaker 3: I just was like, you have to tell me it
Speaker 3: was too hot.
Speaker 2: It was like, yeah, I was gonna ask was it
Speaker 2: the heat, was the respiratory situation? Was it the crowds?
Speaker 1: Like what, Yeah, it was the crowds.
Speaker 3: I don't like the crowds.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I felt very old. And at the time I was
Speaker 3: like it was like the first year of Coachella, so
Speaker 3: I was really yeah yeah, but it was like when
Speaker 3: it was I think it was in May still at
Speaker 3: that point, like it was too much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so hot.
Speaker 2: When you're walking up, you see like the they have
Speaker 2: all the old rosters of who used to headline the festival,
Speaker 2: and it's like it's funny because it's like the first
Speaker 2: year is literally like tool and Muse and raised against
Speaker 2: the machine, and now it's like black Pink Ariana Grande.
Speaker 2: You can tell they're they're making it much more pop,
Speaker 2: which is what's gonna get me to go because, to
Speaker 2: be honest with you, like it's whenever these like breakdowns
Speaker 2: of like who's playing the festivals come out, I'm not
Speaker 2: cool in terms of my music tastes, like I don't
Speaker 2: know like all bands, it's like I don't know who
Speaker 2: like DJ Blaze Stink is, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't. I didn't know what any of this shit was.
Speaker 2: I didn't even know who the Chemical Brothers were. And
Speaker 2: here's my sister saying they're an iconic, legendary group. But
Speaker 2: that is true, that is true. But I had an
Speaker 2: amazing time at their show. Wow. They were actually the
Speaker 2: highlight of the whole thing for me, I think, but
Speaker 2: it's just fun. Yeah, it was really really amazing. I
Speaker 2: was also helped, I was, I was aided by Chemicals myself,
Speaker 2: but there I was sort of like, really the visuals
Speaker 2: were insane, like highly recommend But now I feel insane
Speaker 2: because I'm like the last person saying that, because apparently
Speaker 2: I'm the last person on earth who doesn't know who
Speaker 2: they are. But no, I think in the future my
Speaker 2: rule will be if I really love at least one
Speaker 2: of the headliners, I'll consider it, you know what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 2: But then it's like because then it's like I'm not
Speaker 2: just gonna go to go because I agree with you.
Speaker 2: I wish I wish I had taken a picture of
Speaker 2: my miserable moments, because then I'd be like, ah, yes,
Speaker 2: the part where we have to get in and everyone
Speaker 2: was screaming at each other. That's not something you want
Speaker 2: to go back to.
Speaker 3: Sure, I think I had the opposite balance of you.
Speaker 3: I had like two minutes of joy and like fifty
Speaker 3: eight minutes of misery per hour. Yeah, it was no good,
Speaker 3: no good.
Speaker 1: Well, then what's the ideal live music scenario for Milanie Lindsky?
Speaker 1: Like what is your dream thing?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: God, it's all old, you know, like when please years ago,
Speaker 3: when the Pixies like did the tour where they were
Speaker 3: playing all of Doolittle, that was amazing, and then they
Speaker 3: would do like very random songs for the encore. But
Speaker 3: now Kim Deal isn't in the Pixies anymore, so it's
Speaker 3: a little bit different. I don't know, I haven't seen
Speaker 3: live music for so long, right, so.
Speaker 2: Long have you been on Kelly Clarkson's show?
Speaker 3: No, I haven't wait, I.
Speaker 1: Saw you I'm Sorry'm getting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to go on Kelly Clarkson, She's got
Speaker 2: new music out.
Speaker 3: I love Kelly Cladson.
Speaker 1: You.
Speaker 2: I feel like you guys would have an incredible talk.
Speaker 3: I would. I would love it sometimes if I need
Speaker 3: to have a cry, like you just have tears inside
Speaker 3: that need to come out and watch her performance of piece.
Speaker 3: But she was heavily pregnant. I think she did it
Speaker 3: on American Idol and she like can't get through it
Speaker 3: and she's breaking.
Speaker 2: Down, and I'm just like that song is kind of
Speaker 2: haunted now. And yeah, so she wrote the song about
Speaker 2: like finally filming, she had a man in her life
Speaker 2: who would like not bail and take care of ask
Speaker 2: for money, their daughter asked for money, et cetera. And
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, now we have this reality
Speaker 2: which is very much the haunted version of that. But
Speaker 2: I am excited about a divorce album from her. I
Speaker 2: have to say me too.
Speaker 3: I can't wait.
Speaker 2: Whenever anyone can sort of figure that, figure it out
Speaker 2: enough to like put it into the music. That's very exciting,
Speaker 2: especially my sort of own era that I'm experiencing right now.
Speaker 2: She announced even what the lyrics we're going to be
Speaker 2: and I was just like, thank God, at least, at
Speaker 2: least I'll have more of an outlet. Now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good. You need to have those songs that
Speaker 3: you could listen to and you're going through it.
Speaker 2: But I think you guys have a great chat. Just
Speaker 2: putting that out there for the publicists.
Speaker 3: Okay, wonderful, Maybe they'll do something Jonah about it. Jonah.
Speaker 3: Jonah's so sweet, He's so wonderful.
Speaker 2: We love Jonah already. Jonah from id PR shout out
Speaker 2: to him.
Speaker 3: He's the greatest.
Speaker 2: We want to ask you the question that we ask
Speaker 2: every single one of our guests, sort of the touchstone
Speaker 2: of last culture rasus. Jonah says he's on it. Jonah
Speaker 2: is Melanie Lynsky on all right, So Melanie Lynsky, what
Speaker 2: was the culture that me you say culture was for you?
Speaker 3: I have been agonizing over this question because obviously, as
Speaker 3: such a huge reader, I knew I I was going
Speaker 3: to be asked. As a child, I didn't really consume
Speaker 3: very much culture. My parents were not the kinds of
Speaker 3: appearance who would like take us to movies or anything
Speaker 3: like that. I remember we got to see et and
Speaker 3: that was kind of it. So then my brother and
Speaker 3: I were like, ET, we've seen e T. We're so excited.
Speaker 2: Scary though you think.
Speaker 3: I didn't find it very scary.
Speaker 2: That's sort of where in the woods, like where you're like, no,
Speaker 2: I like ET, and I'm like, I'm terrified of EUT.
Speaker 2: That's what makes me not able to stomach anything.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: I love it. It's very charming that you're so scared of.
Speaker 3: It's so sweet everything, it's so cute. But I guess
Speaker 3: I would say like when I got to an age
Speaker 3: where I was able to start like seeing stuff myself
Speaker 3: and just going to the video store and getting things out,
Speaker 3: like David Lynch. Twin Peaks a huge thing for me,
Speaker 3: and then I saw all every David Lynch movie and
Speaker 3: I was like, this is it, Like this is what
Speaker 3: I want to do. I was so I was in
Speaker 3: love with sheryln Fenn, like in love and just the
Speaker 3: show was everything. And then I got into directors. I
Speaker 3: just started getting really into directors when I was like
Speaker 3: thirteen and seeing like all of Mike Lee and Jane Campion,
Speaker 3: I was super into. So it was kind of that.
Speaker 3: And then also I got very into music because my
Speaker 3: best friend Clear Buchanan made me a mixtape from records
Speaker 3: that her brothers had brought home from university, and it
Speaker 3: was like The Smiths and The Cure and like a
Speaker 3: lot of like britpop bands, and then I got very
Speaker 3: into music and yeah, so I guess it was that
Speaker 3: that time in my life was very formative.
Speaker 1: That all makes sense. And I feel like you're you're
Speaker 1: such a director driven actor too.
Speaker 3: Yeah I did love a director. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, is there any director that
Speaker 2: like you were like coming up really loving that then
Speaker 2: you actualized actually working with like and if you can yeah,
Speaker 2: I can imagine. Could you name a couple.
Speaker 3: Steven Soderboog, Yeah, that was like major my life dream.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I saw Six Lives and videotape and I was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, this is the best movie ever made.
Speaker 3: When I was a teenager, I just was like, this
Speaker 3: is incredible and I love Sorry, I have like weird
Speaker 3: allergies and I feel like my voice sounds so weird
Speaker 3: now I'm right.
Speaker 1: There with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also it's allergy season. So that's the thing
Speaker 2: about eyes shut is if you have them, probably everyone
Speaker 2: has them.
Speaker 1: And that's every real culture.
Speaker 2: That's real culture. Number thirty allergies.
Speaker 1: If you have these, if you have everyone everyone else
Speaker 1: has them.
Speaker 3: I love that it's allergy season and Gala season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, bad timing, not good allergies, Dallas festivals, all
Speaker 1: all all concurring. It's really all ocurring.
Speaker 2: People are supposed to appear with this, with these ninuses,
Speaker 2: I don't think so. M The thing about Steven Soderberg too,
Speaker 2: which I love, is it's like he's got like such
Speaker 2: a strong visual style and like he is, but the
Speaker 2: stories that he tells are all really different, like he
Speaker 2: works in very different worlds, like when you consider like
Speaker 2: Aaron Brockovic and also traffic and also like Magic Mic.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's very yes.
Speaker 2: Very much so, and it's it's like some of those
Speaker 2: movies are protagonist driven, some are very much ensemble driven,
Speaker 2: but it all feels like there's a control over the
Speaker 2: material and always also very rewatchable so much, you know,
Speaker 2: the very specific world's very grounded, but also managing like
Speaker 2: definitely very specific, like iconography as well, like for Julia
Speaker 2: Roberts to feel like a real person in Aaron Brockovic,
Speaker 2: which obviously was a quarter requirement because she was still
Speaker 2: to be larger than life, but existing in the world
Speaker 2: like it's he's just he's one of the greats. I say, obviously,
Speaker 2: the answer is duh.
Speaker 3: He is one of the greats. And the experience of
Speaker 3: working with him was it lived up to my expectations,
Speaker 3: which were insane. My expectations were crazy.
Speaker 2: Right, and in the way of like you think he's
Speaker 2: going to have like really interesting things to say to
Speaker 2: you as an actor, he's going to be in control.
Speaker 2: Like when you say you have high expectations, what do
Speaker 2: you mean.
Speaker 3: I just was like, this is something that I've wanted
Speaker 3: since I knew I wanted to be an actor, to
Speaker 3: work with this person, and I don't know what this
Speaker 3: experience has to be for me to not be disappointed
Speaker 3: on some level, Like it's it's every it's my life
Speaker 3: dream and it's about to happen, right, And then he
Speaker 3: surpassed it. I mean, he just was like so collaborative.
Speaker 3: You go into the room to start blocking something and
Speaker 3: he'd be like, it doesn't have to be this room,
Speaker 3: Like does this feel right? You know? It was so
Speaker 3: like open to moving things around and improv and just
Speaker 3: like not a lot of compliments. I hate compliments.
Speaker 2: You hate compliments really complements.
Speaker 3: I hate compliments.
Speaker 1: It feels like we're so sorry for complimenting you. It's okay.
Speaker 3: I sat through it and it was very very sweet.
Speaker 1: But that work.
Speaker 3: Like when I'm working with some you know, the thing
Speaker 3: where directors come up and they're like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: beautiful when you did that, say oh, I don't. I
Speaker 3: hate it. I just want to feel like a grip,
Speaker 3: like if I do something wrong, like if the camera
Speaker 3: move isn't right, like then you'll tell like the grip
Speaker 3: like hey, just that one little moment, you got to
Speaker 3: smooth that out.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't want to feel and the rest.
Speaker 1: Of the crew I hear you.
Speaker 2: I hear you. So it's like it's this thing of
Speaker 2: you don't want to feel like the part of the
Speaker 2: production that needs that, because it's it's like, yeah, but
Speaker 2: there is this idea though, like that when you're an actor.
Speaker 2: I guess many directors and many other people on set think, oh,
Speaker 2: this person probably needs that because they are being vulnerable
Speaker 2: slash emotional or on the negative side of that, like
Speaker 2: they might have an ego we have to cater too. Yeah,
Speaker 2: got it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the worst feeling to feel handled that is
Speaker 1: my worst feeling like in any sort of professional setting.
Speaker 3: Oh, I can't stand.
Speaker 1: It completely completely.
Speaker 3: Somebody like trying to like bring you things all the time,
Speaker 3: walking into the bathroom, like things that you're doing everyday
Speaker 3: life without dying. You know you should be able to do.
Speaker 1: That also exactly. Someone someone work called me, like a
Speaker 1: pa at work called me, you're so amazing, Like do
Speaker 1: you want anything? I was like, no, like I don't
Speaker 1: know a banana if we have one, a crafty and
Speaker 1: she was like, you're so maintenance. I was like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm no, I'm not. I promise you I'm not. I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm okay.
Speaker 2: He's not, he's not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go, there you go. No, I'm not,
Speaker 1: I'm not not at all.
Speaker 2: But then you are like you are, like, who else
Speaker 2: are you dealing with? That's like, yes, I need this, Yeah.
Speaker 3: But there are some but there are some people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. It's true for Steven Sodaberg to be like,
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be this room that I've never
Speaker 1: gotten that before. I'm like, oh, you be anywhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just like where what feels right, what feels good? Wow,
Speaker 3: it's so fun, it's just fun.
Speaker 2: Oh go bo.
Speaker 1: Yes, I was gonna quickly ask what what was Jamie
Speaker 1: Babbitt like on but I'm are I know it was
Speaker 1: like years and years ago, but Jimmy Babbitt, But I'm
Speaker 1: a cheerleader. No, but because because she was, it was
Speaker 1: well she but she's she directed to some episodes the
Speaker 1: first season of North from Queens and I was just like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's that's Jamie and but like, but
Speaker 1: I'm a cheerleader, like and I didn't. I hadn't rewatched
Speaker 1: it until the Pandemic until Lockdown, and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is such an important movie, Like look at everybody
Speaker 1: on this cast. It's you, It's like Natasha, It's it's clear,
Speaker 1: it's ru Paul, It's like all these amazing people. I'm like,
Speaker 1: what was what was that set?
Speaker 2: Like? I wonder it.
Speaker 3: Was absolutely crazy. We were all like twenty one years
Speaker 3: old and crazy people. Was like we wrap at five
Speaker 3: am and then go like stat a partty like have
Speaker 3: a party until Jimmy like it was we were absolutely
Speaker 3: it was really fun. But Jamie was so wonderful even then,
Speaker 3: like she was super young too, and she was like
Speaker 3: very in control of everything. And I've worked with her
Speaker 3: since she directed a couple of episodes of the show
Speaker 3: Girl Boss that I did, and one day we wrapped
Speaker 3: before lunch, like she's so on top of it.
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, oh lunch.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: She's amazing just making decisions and yeah it was lunchtime
Speaker 3: and they were like, that's a wrap and that's never
Speaker 3: happened before. She's so like capable and decisive and she
Speaker 3: keeps things moving but everyone's having a good time. So
Speaker 3: the energy is high, you know. The energy, but I'm
Speaker 3: a cheerleader is like crazy because of who like what
Speaker 3: she brings to it. I love her, love her.
Speaker 2: Because you mentioned Jane Campion, did you get to meet
Speaker 2: because we were actually at the Critics Choice Awards. So
Speaker 2: Bowe and I were at the Critics Choice Awards the
Speaker 2: night that you won for Yellow Jackets, and we're very
Speaker 2: excited and we were sitting there and we sort of
Speaker 2: got and I'm just going to say wasted by the
Speaker 2: end of that night, appeared like everyone else in that
Speaker 2: room did too. But I do sort of remember Jane
Speaker 2: Campion winning the awards, and I wonder because you mentioned her,
Speaker 2: did you get to meet Jane Campion that night?
Speaker 3: I did? That was the night that I made.
Speaker 2: That was the night that you met her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the connection was made.
Speaker 1: Hellar.
Speaker 3: She was so sweet, she was so wonderful, very nice
Speaker 3: to me. It was a big moment for me. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well to be honest, and we talked about
Speaker 1: on the pod the next the next episode from from that,
Speaker 1: from that Awards night, it was like Matt basically had
Speaker 1: to like re educate me because I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, like Melanie Link and like I hadn't started
Speaker 1: watching Yellow Jackets at that point, and I was like
Speaker 1: that was such a special moment. And then Matt was like, no,
Speaker 1: you've seen like she is. This is Melanie Lynsky, the
Speaker 1: character actress like of our time, and like just was
Speaker 1: walking me through it, and I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: That's right, No you are. I mean, like that's this
Speaker 2: is the thing is. It's like it's if you're someone
Speaker 2: who watches movies and like it consumes like film and television,
Speaker 2: and you're like our age, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like you are a part of so many things and
Speaker 2: that has to be I wonder if you ever like
Speaker 2: look at your resume and you're just like do you
Speaker 2: have vivid memories of everything or like, are you someone
Speaker 2: that like, do you journal, do you keep things like?
Speaker 2: Because you have such a vast body of work and
Speaker 2: it's all so diverse and so different, and so you
Speaker 2: probably have people coming up to you all the time
Speaker 2: and saying a different thing. I would imagine now as
Speaker 2: of late, it's a lot of yellow jackets because it's
Speaker 2: this moment, it's this like cultural phenomenon. But I wonder
Speaker 2: about when you look back, like if you have like
Speaker 2: not total recall, but good recall about the types of
Speaker 2: things you've done, because it is it's crazy.
Speaker 3: Oh thank you. I mean it is kind of crazy
Speaker 3: to have been doing something for thirty years, yeah, and
Speaker 3: just look back and go, oh my god, it's just crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I read an interview a while
Speaker 3: ago where somebody was kind of like blah blah blah
Speaker 3: her career up until this point and now she's doing
Speaker 3: all these great things, and I was like, hang on
Speaker 3: a minute. Yeah, I was so proud to be a
Speaker 3: working actor. I was so proud to make a living
Speaker 3: as an actor and just to be doing things and
Speaker 3: things that have like resonated sometimes not always, but you know,
Speaker 3: I feel I feel really proud of like my career
Speaker 3: before this point, you know.
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean and thin, and even in trying to
Speaker 2: be a working actor now and trying to do it now,
Speaker 2: like it's you know, there's this dream of like wanting
Speaker 2: to like build out, and I really feel like that's
Speaker 2: how you get good, you know what I mean is
Speaker 2: by doing a lot of different types of things and
Speaker 2: having a lot of different types of experiences. And I
Speaker 2: guess the idea is that work begets more work if
Speaker 2: you show up and you feel like you were on
Speaker 2: time and did the job. And that probably is what
Speaker 2: leads you to this idea of like I'm just here
Speaker 2: a part of the community of the set, like not
Speaker 2: needing compliments, not being that actor because you have from
Speaker 2: the very beginning been like functional in these films and
Speaker 2: so you get to show up and that probably over
Speaker 2: time makes you ready to be number one on a
Speaker 2: call sheet on a huge show like this, And I wonder, like,
Speaker 2: is the experience really that different now from then, Like
Speaker 2: now that you are number one in a call sheet
Speaker 2: and you are like the quote unquote star of this ensemble,
Speaker 2: even though like it is very much an ensemble very much. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: but like you do occupy like that role, and so
Speaker 2: I wonder, like, is that a little bit odd for
Speaker 2: you as someone that's always been a character actor or are
Speaker 2: you just not see it like that.
Speaker 3: I don't really see it like that, because the experience
Speaker 3: of going to work is the same, right, and you know,
Speaker 3: it's just going to work and doing the work in
Speaker 3: the same way. I don't know. I think maybe because
Speaker 3: I've been like twenty five on a call sheet and
Speaker 3: number sixteen on a call sheet thousands of times, I
Speaker 3: don't really pay that much attention to that. I don't
Speaker 3: have like an.
Speaker 2: Ego, not even an ego thing. I just know, like
Speaker 2: as a choice of responsibility thing, sometimes there is this
Speaker 2: idea of like leadership, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I guess that's what I do feel a responsibility, especially
Speaker 3: because there's like younger actors on our show totally who
Speaker 3: I want to know are having a good experience, and
Speaker 3: I feel a responsibility like for the crew and stuff
Speaker 3: like that to make sure everybody's days are going smoothly
Speaker 3: and everybody's happy and wants to come back next season
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. Obviously it's not all up to me,
Speaker 3: but yeah, I do feel more because I also noticed
Speaker 3: in the past, when I was a supporting actor, working
Speaker 3: with the people who would make sure everybody was comfortable,
Speaker 3: everybody was happy. It was always a big deal to me.
Speaker 1: But you can tell. I mean, even when you won
Speaker 1: that night at the Critics' Choice, it was like it
Speaker 1: was that whole like your whole section is erupted for
Speaker 1: you and especially the youngers.
Speaker 3: I know it makes me cry to even think about.
Speaker 1: It's beautiful, but that's a real thing, though.
Speaker 2: I would imagine that you know it's you, Tawny, Juliet
Speaker 2: and Christina. The four of you have all worked for
Speaker 2: a very long time, some incredibly famously, So I mean,
Speaker 2: like not just you, but Christina Ricci and Juliet Lewis.
Speaker 2: Like I don't know Tawny from like I don't know
Speaker 2: if she was working as a child or anything, but
Speaker 2: like Christina and Juliette were massive, massive icons. Like yeah,
Speaker 2: and so I was watching something with the four of you,
Speaker 2: it kind of came up like that. Watching a younger
Speaker 2: generation of actresses or of younger actors is sort of
Speaker 2: wild now in twenty twenty three, as opposed to when
Speaker 2: y'all were doing it in the nineties, because and you
Speaker 2: and I saw something kind of flickered across Christina's eyes
Speaker 2: in particular, like maybe she had like been through it,
Speaker 2: and I was like, and of course, you know Juliette,
Speaker 2: we know she's lived quite alife, and so it's like
Speaker 2: the types of treatment must be so much better now,
Speaker 2: and so that must be like something that's top of mind.
Speaker 2: When you say, like you want to make sure the
Speaker 2: younger actors are having a good time and like that
Speaker 2: their experience is good. It probably is because as actresses
Speaker 2: it had to be like kind of the school of
Speaker 2: hard knocks there for quite a while.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I mean it was like so rough sometimes, yeah,
Speaker 3: and also like for me to find my voice on
Speaker 3: set and feel like it was okay for me to
Speaker 3: have an opinion or kind of push back a little
Speaker 3: bit if someone gave me a note I didn't like.
Speaker 3: My instincts are always very strong, so if somebody tries
Speaker 3: to direct me away from them, I don't have any training.
Speaker 3: I don't know how to do that, so I will
Speaker 3: kind of fight to stay on the path that my
Speaker 3: instincts are telling me to stay on in the performance.
Speaker 3: But it was tough, you know, And then like weird
Speaker 3: harassment and you know, like it was just not a
Speaker 3: fun time. Sometimes sometimes it was wonderful, but sometimes it wasn't.
Speaker 3: And so I, you know, I was hopeful that the
Speaker 3: set of Yellow Jackets would not be like that. But
Speaker 3: just in case, I said to them, like, please come
Speaker 3: to me, come to me for anything. I'll go to
Speaker 3: the producers for you. I'll go to the producers with
Speaker 3: you whatever you need. And they've all kind of been
Speaker 3: like thanks, like fine, they're fine. It's such a different generation,
Speaker 3: like they're handling it themselves. There's no thing of them
Speaker 3: being like, oh is it okay for me to say this.
Speaker 3: They're all like I don't like this. I don't like that.
Speaker 3: Here's what I need And it's amazing. It's so exciting. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 1: Still so meaningful for you to, like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: like lay that groundwork down or just set that tone
Speaker 1: in case there is someone who is like I don't
Speaker 1: really know how to address the situation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just in case. It's always scary to know, like
Speaker 3: who can you go to? What's okay if something is wrong?
Speaker 3: So yeah, none of them have needed me, but I'm
Speaker 3: still here if they do.
Speaker 2: They're all really cool, like whenever we're around them because
Speaker 2: I feel like we pop up around them a lot,
Speaker 2: like you know, a lot. Yeah, we see the two
Speaker 2: of them a lot, just for whatever reason that events
Speaker 2: and stuff. We actually like raged with them that night
Speaker 2: at the Critics Choice Awards, and I'm telling you we
Speaker 2: were we were we were dancing in this area where
Speaker 2: also Jane Campion was dancing and she was tearing she
Speaker 2: was getting down, and I remember we were just like, wow,
Speaker 2: like that's where I live. Was like, that's really Jane
Speaker 2: Campion tearing it up. I was like, I mean, she's
Speaker 2: in a huge moment. But yeah, we always see them,
Speaker 2: and they they do like have like all of them
Speaker 2: have this like just cool factor. And I'm like, you
Speaker 2: guys are the stars of Yellow Jackets, aren't you.
Speaker 3: Col They are all so cool, like so cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I really do feel like the mom I feel like,
Speaker 3: I'm like, is everything okay?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Do you enjoy like gnarly shows like this, because you're
Speaker 2: appearing in several of them currently at the moment, I mean,
Speaker 2: you got like fucked up in the Last of Us
Speaker 2: Alert and then Yellow Jackets is such a gnarly show.
Speaker 2: Do you like, are you someone that consumes stuff? Like that,
Speaker 2: and are you able to sign up for products like
Speaker 2: that and be like, oh, yeah, today we're killing somebody.
Speaker 3: I guess so. I mean, I watch all kinds of stuff,
Speaker 3: don't I don't get scared easily. I don't have any
Speaker 3: adrenal function, so I don't get I don't like I
Speaker 3: literally I like, yeah, I should be on atention or
Speaker 3: to stopterone or something like that. Jason tries to scare
Speaker 3: me all the time, and he can't hid. I just go, oh,
Speaker 3: it's really weird. Like he'll hide in a dark corner
Speaker 3: and then come like bursting out.
Speaker 2: Oh. He is one of those, isn't he.
Speaker 3: He is a jugster. He's a frustrated prankster. I can't
Speaker 3: speak prank so I don't have a reaction if so,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't have a thing where I'm
Speaker 3: like scared about particular things. On Candy, it was like
Speaker 3: really sad just knowing that somebody had actually gone through that, yeah,
Speaker 3: and just thinking about just emotion a little baby being
Speaker 3: in the house while it happened, and just one awful
Speaker 3: thing for her family, and just you know, I felt
Speaker 3: like a responsibility on that one to try to get
Speaker 3: it as right as I could with the amount of
Speaker 3: information I had, But the scary stuff is just kind
Speaker 3: of fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I always feel like I could act
Speaker 2: in one but couldn't watch one. I always feel like
Speaker 2: like I could probably do that because like you see that,
Speaker 2: you see like the nuts and bolts of it all,
Speaker 2: but like watching it, I literally I physically have pain
Speaker 2: because like.
Speaker 3: On the Last of Us there's this guy, like there's
Speaker 3: this big, huge floature creature who comes out and he's
Speaker 3: so huge and scary, and then i'd see him in
Speaker 3: between takes with his Fiji water like someone's beating him
Speaker 3: as little, you know, because it's so hot in there,
Speaker 3: and he was like almost passing out.
Speaker 1: Oh oh, and.
Speaker 3: So he had to like have his little SIPs of
Speaker 3: water and it was really sweet and endearing. And then
Speaker 3: you can't be scared after you see that.
Speaker 1: No, No, especially if if Jason's one of the mushroom.
Speaker 1: If Jason's a clicker, then you're like, oh, that's that's
Speaker 1: my guy.
Speaker 2: He's basically a clicker. My husband's basically a clicker. It's
Speaker 2: actually a really colchre number one hundred. My husband's basically.
Speaker 1: My husband's basically a clicker. I want to talk video
Speaker 1: games next time I see you, guys, if I would
Speaker 1: love to talk video games with Jason because I know
Speaker 1: he plays.
Speaker 3: He's a little Sam all right, I'll switch off and
Speaker 3: look up into the ceiling. No, no, no, That's what
Speaker 3: I do when he talks about video games. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 3: he is a he loves video games.
Speaker 2: Did he plays?
Speaker 3: Yes, he did. It's his favorite video game ever.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 3: He was like, you have to do it. When they
Speaker 3: asked me to do it, he was like, you have
Speaker 3: to no questions asked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen. It makes sense because Matt, I remember the
Speaker 1: first time I heard of The Last of Us, which
Speaker 1: was you and I were coming back from a story
Speaker 1: Pirates show and Eric Gerson was in the car. There
Speaker 1: was there's this trade show called E three every summer
Speaker 1: and it's like twenty twelve, twenty thirteen or something and
Speaker 1: Eric are from Airic. Person turns to me, he goes,
Speaker 1: they just announced this game at E three. It's being
Speaker 1: called the Citizen Kane of video games in terms of
Speaker 1: like the narrative, and they're like, it's called The Last
Speaker 1: of Us. They did motion capture on it. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be amazing and it was like really, and then I
Speaker 1: didn't play it until much later. But like the journey
Speaker 1: for the Last, like the Last of Us has been
Speaker 1: like on people's minds for like over a decade at
Speaker 1: this point, and like, I'm sure you know all this
Speaker 1: at this point, but like I probably think that it
Speaker 1: was probably you weren't hampered by like all of the
Speaker 1: fan the fan wait, the fan fare around it, Like
Speaker 1: you were just able to go into this role, this
Speaker 1: new role for the show and be like let me
Speaker 1: just you know, let me just like start from scratch
Speaker 1: and I don't have to like be beholden too like
Speaker 1: a prior performance necessarily. Maybe Yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Was very grateful for that. I was like, thank god,
Speaker 3: it's a new character. And also Craig wrote it for me,
Speaker 3: the creator of the show. He said I've written this
Speaker 3: path for you, which was so lovely. So then I
Speaker 3: also felt like he knew what he was going to get.
Speaker 3: You know, sometimes it's scary to the audition for things,
Speaker 3: but also I hate auditioning, so it's worse to have
Speaker 3: to audition. Yeah, it's not the best. I'm very bad
Speaker 3: at it.
Speaker 2: Do you feel that you feel not auditioning I'm really bad.
Speaker 2: What do you think is it do you do you
Speaker 2: struggle like with the lines in the audition or do
Speaker 2: you feel like, like what is it with with auditioning?
Speaker 3: For you, it's just the pressure put on the one performance,
Speaker 3: Like you can't be close with it. You can't see
Speaker 3: what happens, Like you have to make a decision and
Speaker 3: commit to something and give like a thing and guess
Speaker 3: what they want. And it's like you can't just like
Speaker 3: do your first take and have it be the thing
Speaker 3: that comes out right and be like okay, well, like
Speaker 3: work with that a little bit.
Speaker 2: But I would imagine that you probably only have to
Speaker 2: audition for like the big stuff, right, Like there's probably
Speaker 2: a lot. You probably do get a ton of offers,
Speaker 2: Like when's last time you did like a self tape?
Speaker 2: You don't do self tapes.
Speaker 3: I mean it's been a few years. Thankful. Those are misery.
Speaker 2: They're they're really terrible, thank you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's rough.
Speaker 2: And the experience of just putting yourself on tape not
Speaker 2: knowing what they're gonna want, without the ability to get
Speaker 2: notes and anything. It's just a completely different thing. It's
Speaker 2: weird that our industry has like been okay obviously that
Speaker 2: we've had because of the pandemic, But like I can't
Speaker 2: even stress enough how like much more fun it is
Speaker 2: and how much more complete and you know secure you
Speaker 2: can feel when you at least like have the opportunity
Speaker 2: to connect with like someone involved in the movie or
Speaker 2: cast indrector and take a note and actually I feel
Speaker 2: like you acted that day and didn't just like guess
Speaker 2: at how you wanted to appear on your little phone.
Speaker 3: The guessing is so hard. And then also when you
Speaker 3: walk into an audition, it's over, like, yeah, you don't
Speaker 3: have anything to do. You don't have to then you know,
Speaker 3: try to figure out how to load it and send
Speaker 3: it and choose, go through all your takes and choose
Speaker 3: the take. Yeah, I will say my ex husband was
Speaker 3: it is very very good at doing self tapes, Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: he would he's a wonderful actor. He would never have
Speaker 3: read the script. He would be like brutial with the notes.
Speaker 3: It really tough, like so intense. We would always get
Speaker 3: in a fight, but he was always right, like he
Speaker 3: just had an instinct about it. And then we would
Speaker 3: I got so many jobs from self tapes that Jimmy made. Wow, yeah,
Speaker 3: I got the informant I got when when I got
Speaker 3: like all these great movies from and when we broke out,
Speaker 3: my agent was like, do you think he could think?
Speaker 3: I don't know. A couple of times I did ask him,
Speaker 3: I said, would you mind him coming to do the
Speaker 3: self tape? He was very gracious about it. But he's
Speaker 3: very like I don't know, he was, he's kind of
Speaker 3: a master. He does it for everybody as well, like
Speaker 3: a lot of our friends oople have him. Yeah, he
Speaker 3: like gets people jobs from his self tapes.
Speaker 1: Skill the informant because then Matt wouldn't be able to
Speaker 1: tell you that that advice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I always the finding the person that you're like that
Speaker 2: you feel comfortable enough to ask to like put you
Speaker 2: on a self tape.
Speaker 1: It's so it might as well be a marriage proposal. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's so much. It's huge.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And also doing it and a couple is frustrating too,
Speaker 2: because like I remember when my ex Jared and would
Speaker 2: would put me on tape, especially during during the pandemic
Speaker 2: or like right before. Like it's like that thing of
Speaker 2: when you you go back and watch the clips of
Speaker 2: what you've done on your phone. You literally see the
Speaker 2: worst version of yourself because there you are, like stressed
Speaker 2: out about to do a self tape, and he would
Speaker 2: just say something like, okay, so what do you think
Speaker 2: about and I would just be like, no, we have
Speaker 2: to just do it. We have to just do it.
Speaker 2: And just like you're here, you're watching yourself be horrible
Speaker 2: to deal with. And then you're like, oh no, now
Speaker 2: I have just like all this archived footage of me
Speaker 2: like at my worst, like stressed, trying to act nasty
Speaker 2: to my boyfriend.
Speaker 3: Oh it's awful, It's terrible.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, rible, terrible. So what are you watching now?
Speaker 2: What's what's inspiring you nowadays?
Speaker 3: I'm watching poker Face.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're a good watcher. You're always you're always posting
Speaker 2: about what you're what you're watching.
Speaker 3: I try to be supportive. It's so good. Natasha's so funny.
Speaker 3: She's so funny.
Speaker 2: Sheecock is nailing it. Lately. I just watched see the
Speaker 2: first two episodes of Missus Davis with our favorite in
Speaker 2: the world, Betty Gilpin.
Speaker 3: I worship her, absolutely worship her.
Speaker 2: Isn't she amazing?
Speaker 3: She is amazing.
Speaker 2: You're gonna love this show. It's it's like a whack
Speaker 2: of show. It's it's Damon Lindelof. But yes, I think
Speaker 2: it's the funniest he's ever been. Like it's really sort
Speaker 2: of like a surreal like comedy in a way. It's
Speaker 2: it's it's I can't even really explain what it's about.
Speaker 2: I would just like emphasize that everyone should really give
Speaker 2: this one a shot. I think this going to be
Speaker 2: four episodes out like on four twenty, which is a
Speaker 2: great day to start watching this show. And it's it's
Speaker 2: really big for the stoner community. But Betty is one
Speaker 2: of those actors that just like everything she does feels
Speaker 2: brand new. It's it's sort of sort of maybe it's
Speaker 2: even similar to what you're saying of like you know, instinctually,
Speaker 2: like it feels like you can't fuck with whatever she's
Speaker 2: doing because it's as it always feels very natural to
Speaker 2: her and very singular to her, and you know, it's
Speaker 2: it's giving character actor as lead actress in that way
Speaker 2: that you love to see, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it and it is like that because I
Speaker 3: worked with mac Marin and I was like, can you
Speaker 3: tell me everything about what she was Bitty Gilben, because
Speaker 3: I worship her. I want to know, and he told
Speaker 3: me like, oh my god, it's incredible. You never know
Speaker 3: what she's going to do. Like the instincts are on fire,
Speaker 3: and she's just like this thing that's like the connection.
Speaker 3: Like he just was like, it's one of the greatest
Speaker 3: things you could ever experience.
Speaker 1: Have you read her book?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: I have.
Speaker 3: It's so I mean, I just like, she's absolutely incredible.
Speaker 3: I just love her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you get along grade.
Speaker 2: Do you guys know each other.
Speaker 3: I've met her a couple of times. I actually years ago,
Speaker 3: I saw her in like an off, off off Broadway play.
Speaker 3: I found out it was a very early thing that
Speaker 3: she did, and I just it was as though there
Speaker 3: was like a huge spotlight on her and everyone else
Speaker 3: on stage just kind of like blurred away. Sorry to
Speaker 3: all those people. I'm sure they're great, but I just
Speaker 3: was like, who is that? Like she is magnificent. And
Speaker 3: I've kind of followed her career since then. I'll be like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, it's the girl from the play. It's
Speaker 3: the girl from the play. And then I did get
Speaker 3: to meet her a few years ago, and I just
Speaker 3: was like, I'm weirdly obsessed with you.
Speaker 2: We need that project, we need we need you guys
Speaker 2: to get really Oh my god, now I'm dropping everything
Speaker 2: to write the vehicle.
Speaker 1: I know, I know we'll get to typing.
Speaker 2: Man, Oh my god, wait me And that's me and
Speaker 2: Bowen's first feature that we were at col writes together.
Speaker 2: But it's not even for us. Well, we can play
Speaker 2: tiny part. We'll poke our head out of a window
Speaker 2: and go like, oh no, perfect, that'll be our That'll
Speaker 2: be our contribution. Okay, Bowen, Yane, what do you think
Speaker 2: should we move to I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: I think so. I think this is a great time
Speaker 1: to do that.
Speaker 2: Okay. So Melanie Lensky is joining us today on this
Speaker 2: episode of Last Cool Treestus, and it has come to
Speaker 2: the point in the episode where we do I don't
Speaker 2: think so, honey, which is our sifty second segment where
Speaker 2: you know, we really take the time to bring something
Speaker 2: down that sits up on a high perch and we
Speaker 2: pull it, pull it, pull it down. And I don't
Speaker 2: think so, honey. I do have a topic. I did
Speaker 2: mention it at the beginning, but I feel like I
Speaker 2: have to keep going on it because it really was.
Speaker 1: Wild Okay, all right, this is interesting. This is Matt Rogers'
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.
Speaker 2: I don't think so, honey. Frank Ocean and Coachella. Here's
Speaker 2: the thing. It's just that if you're allowed to be eccentric, okay,
Speaker 2: you're allowed to be hashtag going through it. But the
Speaker 2: fact is there was thousands and thousands of fans that
Speaker 2: came there to see you, and yes, I'm not even
Speaker 2: like maybe they had a good experience with it. I'm
Speaker 2: talking to some people that are like, no, it was
Speaker 2: actually beautiful. It is actually what I wanted from Frank.
Speaker 2: Dad gave us what we wanted. But a lot of
Speaker 2: people were kind of just like, here's the thing. If
Speaker 2: you wanted to see Frank and you wanted a good spot,
Speaker 2: you actually kind of had to post up very early
Speaker 2: and sit all the way through. Buyork now, Byork is
Speaker 2: someone that we love and are obsessed with, but Buorck
Speaker 2: was sort of doing the more experimental moment with orchestra,
Speaker 2: and I'm guessing that the Frank people may Buyork people.
Speaker 2: So that's kind of the way that Coachella is said up.
Speaker 2: And I don't think so, honey. That like, it's that
Speaker 2: difficult to get a spot. But look, when you're as
Speaker 2: popular as Frank Oshan, it's gonna be that difficult to
Speaker 2: get And when you're as popular as Frank Oshan, as
Speaker 2: Frank Ocean, you have to know that we have to
Speaker 2: honor the people in the crowd. I don't think so, honey. Also,
Speaker 2: the ice skating rink.
Speaker 1: And that's one minute. I didn't know about this ice
Speaker 1: skating rink until that's. Wow.
Speaker 2: He had an ice skating rink built and they were
Speaker 2: had to melt it down before he went on stage. Well,
Speaker 2: there were professional ice skaters that had, I guess, practiced
Speaker 2: for weeks and weeks to be a part of this performance,
Speaker 2: and then they came out with this excuse afterwards. Well
Speaker 2: they were like, well, Frank hurt his ankle and so
Speaker 2: couldn't do the the ice skating of it all. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, he didn't look like he hurt his ankle.
Speaker 2: I mean, he walked out on stage, he did the thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I can't speculate on what actually happened,
Speaker 2: but I can say that the festival ended on a
Speaker 2: very dour, sour vibe because of all of it. It
Speaker 2: was just it was frustrating. And also I'll say this,
Speaker 2: and this will be the last thing I say about Coachella.
Speaker 2: So Blink Wind was added to the set list very late,
Speaker 2: and I think that, on face value, adding Blank twent
Speaker 2: eighty two into the mix is gonna feel very exciting.
Speaker 2: And then you sort of get there and you see
Speaker 2: Blank Twentity two performing, and you see the crowd at
Speaker 2: Blank twent eity two, and I can only describe it
Speaker 2: as kind of scary and haunted because it's a lot
Speaker 2: of straight guy's screaming. And I'll say this about the
Speaker 2: spoken word interludes in between the Blank Twentity two songs.
Speaker 2: It was a lot of yeah, if we did this now,
Speaker 2: we get canceled for this one, or like like still
Speaker 2: kind of like humor about like eating each other's moms out,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like that kind of like
Speaker 2: boy humor from the nineties, And you watch it as
Speaker 2: a sort of queer adult and you're saying, hmm, if
Speaker 2: you're someone who like relentlessly needs to be like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we can't do this anymore. I remember the old days.
Speaker 2: It's like what you're explicitly kind of saying is that
Speaker 2: you're not cool. With the way things are now, or
Speaker 2: that you like really wish for a time where things
Speaker 2: were quote unquote different or quote unquote cooler. And I'm like, okay, so,
Speaker 2: like the intrinsic like thing that you're saying here is
Speaker 2: that you kind of like hate that, like diversity is
Speaker 2: a thing. It just felt a little intrinsically homophobic to me.
Speaker 2: And I can't explain it because they didn't say any
Speaker 2: homophobic things, but the energy was very giving. I'm not
Speaker 2: going over.
Speaker 1: There, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, well that's
Speaker 1: too bad.
Speaker 2: It's sort of like whenever an eminem song plays and
Speaker 2: you're like, oh yeah, and then you kind of are
Speaker 2: like no.
Speaker 1: I do think Blink was able to sort of like
Speaker 1: appeal to a wider sector of people. And I do
Speaker 1: feel like, maybe.
Speaker 2: Is that because there wasn't much more than that, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like the monoculture kind of got
Speaker 2: us there.
Speaker 1: But I feel like they influenced so much. I don't know,
Speaker 1: Blink is interesting and maybe maybe we'll maybe we'll dissect
Speaker 1: it dissected a little bit more like I'm not here
Speaker 1: to yuck yums.
Speaker 2: And that was another thing I really didn't think so
Speaker 2: honey about the festival was like if you didn't like
Speaker 2: Black Pink, like, stop saying it's so loudly, like so
Speaker 2: many people are here to see Black Pink. I get it,
Speaker 2: Like every song is kind of.
Speaker 1: That's not what you're doing. That's not what you're doing.
Speaker 2: No, And I'm not looking out, I'm just saying, like
Speaker 2: what it's so funny and interesting to And this is
Speaker 2: like the monoculture of it all. It's like we all
Speaker 2: remember Blank, Wendy too, we all know all the words,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden.
Speaker 3: I don't remember. I don't think I could name the two.
Speaker 2: What's what's That's okay, that's okay, What's.
Speaker 1: All the small things?
Speaker 2: You know, all those guys, Yeah, all the small things.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, you remember it, and you're like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, of course this it's comfort food. And then
Speaker 2: you're like, oh wow. If I give given the option nowadays,
Speaker 2: this would not be my thing.
Speaker 1: I understand. Yes, I think I think some music is
Speaker 1: like crystallized in amber. And I feel like, and look,
Speaker 1: Blank's come out with a lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: new stuff. That's great, but I feel like the connective
Speaker 1: thing for our generation to Blank is like something that
Speaker 1: was in the past. And I feel like their commentary
Speaker 1: on the past is we it was a different time
Speaker 1: back then. I think. I don't know. I wasn't there.
Speaker 1: I wasn't there for this this weekend. But that's the
Speaker 1: beauty of Coachella is that there is this nice little
Speaker 1: panoply of of of musical acts there.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing I'm not defending is that was
Speaker 2: like it was all ages. It was all different types
Speaker 2: of people, all different genres of music. And that I
Speaker 2: think is a good and positive thing. Is it's like
Speaker 2: you could like float over here and see Christina and
Speaker 2: the Queens, and you could float over here and see
Speaker 2: you know this and that and whatever. It's just like
Speaker 2: there was a lot of different communities there that added
Speaker 2: up to one big community. It was just the Blink
Speaker 2: twent eighty two was giving a little Halloween horror nights
Speaker 2: for me. It was giving a little you know, jump Scare,
Speaker 2: straight man, jump scared, No problem, right, win scare Melanie
Speaker 2: though no, because her adrenale levels are low.
Speaker 3: No, I have no adrenal function, so I wouldn't be like, ah,
Speaker 3: I would feel like it's creeping drate inside my.
Speaker 2: Body and then you would use it in your next project.
Speaker 3: It does sound scared.
Speaker 2: It was scary and also like we were. The second
Speaker 2: we walked into Coachella, this straight guy kind of ambled
Speaker 2: over a Dustin was like, you guys decided for Blank
Speaker 2: with any down and I was just like, oh no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: no no no. I was like, oh, this is I'm
Speaker 2: trying to get to Muna. I was like, I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get some Muna girl and You're like yeah.
Speaker 2: And he started singing the song and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: maybe that's actually much better in theory than practice. The
Speaker 2: Blank twenty two show, and then I watched like a
Speaker 2: live stream later or like the video from the live stream,
Speaker 2: and like just people moshing in the crowd.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be around any mashing.
Speaker 2: I don't think so honey, mosh right right, very very
Speaker 2: very Witstock ninety nine, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm so happy to live in the now. Uh
Speaker 1: bon Yang.
Speaker 2: Are you excited about your atom? Think so honey?
Speaker 1: In Gallanies, Yes, And I'm gonna actually do a last
Speaker 1: minute pivot because I was gonna do it. I don't
Speaker 1: think so honey about how I wore a white button
Speaker 1: down shirt this week and someone called it stealth wealth
Speaker 1: and I was like, no, this this was from Uni clone.
Speaker 1: It was thirty dollars whatever. People stealth wealth is like
Speaker 1: has just been kind of introduced into the cultural conversation
Speaker 1: and people are people are sort of misusing it.
Speaker 2: Can you define stealth wealth.
Speaker 1: It's like logoless luxury clothing, which has you know, kind
Speaker 1: of been popularized by succession. Let's say like these rich
Speaker 1: people wear clothing that like the Row. It's the Row,
Speaker 1: it's Max Maara, and it's like, you know, people said
Speaker 1: Gwyneth was wearing stealth wealth clothes at the during an
Speaker 1: in court. So anyway, I wore white buttoned down shirt
Speaker 1: and some of someone's like, that's the little stealth wealthy.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, this is this is.
Speaker 2: Feels like someone someone learned to term and wanted to
Speaker 2: use it. That's what it feels like to me.
Speaker 1: But I have to I have something very relevant actually,
Speaker 1: and and I didn't and I totally forgot about this,
Speaker 1: but I would love to talk about it relevant.
Speaker 2: King Bow and Yang with his I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 2: on this week's episode, His time starts now.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, Oh the wicked stills that
Speaker 1: are being shared are too dark in moody everybody. I
Speaker 1: promise you there will be light. The gaffers on this
Speaker 1: film are top notch. You will be able to see
Speaker 1: things when this movie comes out. Just you wait another
Speaker 1: eighteen months or so Thanksgiving twenty twenty four. You've got
Speaker 1: a long way to go. We don't. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: a marathon, not a sprint. So just like you know,
Speaker 1: look at the picture, go that's nice, and move along.
Speaker 1: You don't have to pick it apart and say thirty seconds,
Speaker 1: oh god, this movie, this movie looks this, that or
Speaker 1: the other. And guess what. We're shooting the exteriors, So
Speaker 1: there are gonna be all these drones. First of all,
Speaker 1: I don't think somebody drones on film sets. Get those
Speaker 1: drones away from these exteriors. We don't get these drones
Speaker 1: taking photos of There's nothing anyone can do about these
Speaker 1: drones being flown into these exteriors, and it's kind of
Speaker 1: stressful and it feels just so invasive. I don't get
Speaker 1: those drones out of there. Stop taking the pictures of
Speaker 1: the Glinda dress and Munchkin Land. We don't need to
Speaker 1: show that just yet.
Speaker 2: And that's one minute. So you're confirming that was a
Speaker 2: real picture.
Speaker 1: I am just confirming that there are drones that are
Speaker 1: taking photos of the set. Don't get me in trouble, Matt.
Speaker 1: That is not well.
Speaker 2: I can't possibly get you in trouble for some of the.
Speaker 1: Say it you're you're saying, you're saying that there's a
Speaker 1: possibility it could be AI generated.
Speaker 2: No get out, I think that. Well, I'll say this,
Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of good deep fakes.
Speaker 1: No, that's not what's going on. You can clearly see
Speaker 1: that that's Ariana Grande in a pink dress. No problem,
Speaker 1: would be another blond woman. No, no, no, no, we're
Speaker 1: not going to tell you that photo.
Speaker 2: You're confirming.
Speaker 1: All I'm saying is if a drone takes a photo
Speaker 1: of me this summer, I'm I'm bringing a gun to
Speaker 1: set and shooting it down. Okay, trust trust.
Speaker 2: Well that's another thing I'll let you just say on
Speaker 2: the podcast so you can be responsible. I'm saying we'll
Speaker 2: bring gun to set. Well, I will say that I'm
Speaker 2: of mixed minds about this because one, I don't think
Speaker 2: we need the pictures this early. I just think, like,
Speaker 2: let's let's like, I just think we should wait, like
Speaker 2: like we don't. It's the movie's not coming out for
Speaker 2: eighteen months, like we can wait.
Speaker 1: Well, same goes for these Gaga photos and Joker Fu
Speaker 1: lead did. It's like, this movie's not coming out for
Speaker 1: another sixteen months, and we're all like, you know, so
Speaker 1: so grateful, mother, mother, mother, but like you now, just
Speaker 1: this is just mother, we say anyway.
Speaker 2: But I was excited about it. I was excited about
Speaker 2: the photos. I thought that they looked very wickedish. I thought,
Speaker 2: when I think, we get it in my head, I
Speaker 2: think exactly those pictures. I think, I think I saw
Speaker 2: Elpha but and Glinda in the photos, and I get it.
Speaker 2: I think people are just on edge after the Game
Speaker 2: of Thrones of it all and the sort of we're
Speaker 2: in sort of dark you know, cinematography times as of vight.
Speaker 2: You never know, even the highest budget things sometimes end
Speaker 2: up being dark. So people are just concerned things will.
Speaker 1: Be well lit. That's all I'm gonna say. That is
Speaker 1: my big spoiler from set.
Speaker 2: That is directly from the set. Everyone stop panicking, stop worrying.
Speaker 2: Bow and Yang, who who iconically plays Fanny in the
Speaker 2: film He is can we say.
Speaker 1: That, we can say that, and we can say that
Speaker 1: the name is is so silly really plays in the UK,
Speaker 1: people go, oh my god, Fanny, that's that's your name.
Speaker 1: Oh you know, They're like, it means pussy in British slang.
Speaker 1: Does it actually?
Speaker 3: Yes, Yeah, that's what we called Vagina's growing up. You're Fanny. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's so.
Speaker 2: Funny because in American culture, Fanny is booty.
Speaker 3: I know, I know.
Speaker 2: Oh god.
Speaker 3: When I heard about a fanny pack, I was like, oh.
Speaker 1: What is that? I'm so confused.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but someone explained it to me.
Speaker 2: Wow, okay, well hopefully explaining something about why she doesn't
Speaker 2: like something in culture. Now is Melanie Lynsky? Are you
Speaker 2: ready to do? I don't think so, Honey. This is
Speaker 2: a moment in time for anyone that comes on the pod.
Speaker 3: No, I know, and I'm not ready. I'm so nervous.
Speaker 3: I don't recognize it. I think I have something, Okay,
Speaker 3: the fist. The first thing that popped into my mind
Speaker 3: was like the general disrespect that people have for renee
Speaker 3: Zo Wakers two Oscar Wins.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, well I was.
Speaker 3: Going to but then I was like, I don't know
Speaker 3: if I could talk about this for a minute, and like,
Speaker 3: is that how? I just feel like people don't respect
Speaker 3: her enough. But but then I.
Speaker 1: Pivoted a minute. Let me tell you something.
Speaker 2: First of all, let me just say right here on
Speaker 2: this podcast, we have always respected Renees Elgger always and Bowen.
Speaker 2: I know, I had an HBO Max podcast where we
Speaker 2: talked about movies and Bowen Yang came on a rene
Speaker 2: Es Elwigger themed episode, and we respect both those Oscar wins,
Speaker 2: even though I firmly believe the first one should have
Speaker 2: been for Chicago, and I think I do too. That's
Speaker 2: you know, that gets me in trouble with the Nicole Gays.
Speaker 2: But I believe the cole should have won the year
Speaker 2: before from one rush and so that's the great and
Speaker 2: I believe we're all kind of a kurf fluffel there,
Speaker 2: but you know, we respect Renees as having two wins,
Speaker 2: no matter what they're for.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think both those performances are iconic. But
Speaker 3: then I thought about something else that impacts my daily
Speaker 3: life that I would talk about. Okay, for a minute,
Speaker 3: It's maybe not as fun, it's more of a PSA.
Speaker 2: No we need the PSA. Melanie lives. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 2: Her time starts now.
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't think so honey. Gum chewing. I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: I have.
Speaker 1: A condition.
Speaker 3: I cannot stand it. Like people come up to me
Speaker 3: smacking their gum and trying to have a conversation. I
Speaker 3: cannot hear a word you're saying. I'm floating up to
Speaker 3: the ceiling. It creates in the brain of somebody who
Speaker 3: has misophonia. It goes directly to your fight or flight response,
Speaker 3: so you want to run away or punch somebody. And
Speaker 3: I can't punch anybody. So I'm just sitting there waiting
Speaker 3: for my moment to leave, and in a full panic
Speaker 3: like it puts me. I saw somebody the other day
Speaker 3: in event. It was really wonderful see him. I hadn't
Speaker 3: seen him for a long time. A woman came up
Speaker 3: and stood next to him smacking away at gum, and
Speaker 3: I was like, now, I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 3: what he talked to me about. I don't know she
Speaker 3: talked to me about. And I should have like a
Speaker 3: little thing where I'm just like, I'm so sorry I
Speaker 3: have a condition. But then people also don't really take
Speaker 3: the condition seriously, and they kind of rolled their eyes
Speaker 3: and they're like, oh, you're sensitive, you're sensitive, but it's
Speaker 3: like an actual real thing. And I wish we could
Speaker 3: band gum.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I don't think so, honey, gum chewing
Speaker 2: And that's one minute. Wow, this is now that you've
Speaker 2: put a face to this affliction. You've put a face
Speaker 2: into two things today, low adrenal function and misophony. And
Speaker 2: misophonia and those two things combined must be really hard
Speaker 2: because you've expressed wanting to punch someone chewing around you,
Speaker 2: but like you can't work up the adrenaline to do that.
Speaker 3: I don't have the energy to punch anymore, or the
Speaker 3: or the anes.
Speaker 1: The stimulus doesn't the stimulus can't land anywhere. It goes
Speaker 1: into the door.
Speaker 3: I just leave, like I just go, like I just
Speaker 3: have to kind of like take myself elsewhere. But people
Speaker 3: do it like it's like a personality trait, like we
Speaker 3: do it with so much like vigor. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 3: like it makes me it's so crazy.
Speaker 2: And you don't chew.
Speaker 3: Gum no, or if I do, I do it with
Speaker 3: my mouth closed like a.
Speaker 1: Sure sure, like a human being Melanie and I got
Speaker 1: a lot of flak one time for an episode. Don't
Speaker 1: listen to this. It's the second episode of the three
Speaker 1: Hundred Great Songs, the Great Global Songbook. We had lunch delivered.
Speaker 1: It was a six hour long recording session. We had
Speaker 1: lunch delivered in the middle of it, and we unfortunately
Speaker 1: we ate during the recording and he is chewing and
Speaker 1: people with mstphonia, who the readers, the katies with mistophonia
Speaker 1: really really where ups that? And we're we apologize to
Speaker 1: everyone for for that, for that moment, we really really
Speaker 1: feel this morning.
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't actually was about to listen to those episodes.
Speaker 1: No, no, listen to the first in the last one,
Speaker 1: but but not the second one.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, good?
Speaker 2: Yeah, or you know what, give it a shot and
Speaker 2: maybe you'll come around. Maybe maybe you'll be like, you
Speaker 2: know what, with these guys, I actually can listen to
Speaker 2: them too.
Speaker 3: I I can't listen to anybody. There was a time
Speaker 3: I was with my sister and my husband and he
Speaker 3: ran into like a group of old friends, and my
Speaker 3: sister and I both just stood completely still the whole time,
Speaker 3: and then when the friends had left, we like collapsed
Speaker 3: we were like in such a panic. We were like
Speaker 3: giggling and screaming. And my husband was like, what happened?
Speaker 3: And we were like the gum, the gum, and she
Speaker 3: said who had gum? My sister was like, I don't
Speaker 3: even notice that who had gum? Like imagine thinking who
Speaker 3: had gum?
Speaker 2: So this is a family it's a family disorder of
Speaker 2: the misophonia.
Speaker 3: Genetic genetic thing I've heard. Yeah, my dad has it
Speaker 3: in my siblings.
Speaker 2: We now know, we now know, and we will do
Speaker 2: better in the het ture. I mean sometimes the thing
Speaker 2: is we do get so hungry that we must eat,
Speaker 2: but not on mic not anymore. And our mark he's
Speaker 2: out there with miscephonia. We see you, we hear you,
Speaker 2: we respect you, we love you, and we will do better.
Speaker 3: Oh that's so lovely.
Speaker 1: You have a leader in Melanie Lynsk. You know, thank you.
Speaker 2: Number one on the misceiphonia call sheet. I'll take it
Speaker 2: that a leader in this industry. Okay, So Yellow Jackets?
Speaker 2: Is it out on? Is it out on? Showtime? On
Speaker 2: Fridays and air Sundays? I love the when they do
Speaker 2: this iconic things show Time. Love of streaming and linear.
Speaker 3: You love it. It's confusing for me. I don't know
Speaker 3: when to tell people. It's just like it's out on
Speaker 3: the weekend.
Speaker 2: It's out on the weekend. You can watch it anytime.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it'll definitely be out by Monday.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, but I think you're streaming on Friday
Speaker 3: and then airing on Sunday.
Speaker 2: Yes, all right, perfect, Well we are I mean, bowen,
Speaker 2: let me come on. How do we even express what
Speaker 2: huge fans we are. We just believe you're one of
Speaker 2: the greatest out there, and we know you absolutely hate compliments,
Speaker 2: but we're not actually working with you right now, or
Speaker 2: actually we're actually a business professional. You're just the greatest
Speaker 2: and we're so we were so excited when you wanted
Speaker 2: to come on, and this is just the coolest.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you for indulging my dream of being on
Speaker 3: Less Culturistas. I love you both so much. You're both
Speaker 3: so so, so talented in so many different ways. I
Speaker 3: just like this podcast has brought me so much joy.
Speaker 3: Both of your acting has brought me so much joy.
Speaker 3: You as human beings bring me joy like this is
Speaker 3: really like a wonderful, wonderful experience. Thank you for putting
Speaker 3: up with my technical issues and my weird sinuses and
Speaker 3: my low adrenal function which is always Melanie.
Speaker 1: This was You are like our Steven Soderberg. We had
Speaker 1: the highest expectations and you you surpassed all of them.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming.
Speaker 3: On, thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, a moment in time, and Bow and Yang.
Speaker 2: We end every episode with the song oh.
Speaker 1: The all Things True care Trueing iye one last, You're right,
Speaker 1: that's tripe.
Speaker 2: And if you feel like being triggered or not, listen
Speaker 2: to blank one A two on all streaming platforms.
Speaker 1: Bye Bye,