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Speaker 2: All right, bo, now we both have some topical things

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Speaker 1: We do. I think you have the more pertinent thing,

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, really he's a finalist. Congrats Matt. This

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Speaker 2: Know you're a finalist. Do you know what it means

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Speaker 2: be yeah, absolutely, she's going to be thrilled to hear

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Speaker 3: No, I never waked it. I went to university for

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Speaker 3: She was concerned, she was concerned about the accent, getting

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Speaker 1: I don't know about her, y'all.

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Speaker 2: I don't know about Melanie. Lynskey said that.

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Speaker 3: She's always been very supportive.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she cried we saw each other at the Emmys

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Speaker 3: We both are. We're both nominated, I know. I was like,

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Speaker 2: We got to get you one of those.

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Speaker 3: You've been in this position before. But it was so

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Speaker 3: Oh, she's so good.

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Speaker 2: You have to have so many like old friends, like

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Speaker 2: It all started with Heavenly Creatures, which was your first time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was what ninety five.

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Speaker 3: We filmed it in ninety three and it came out

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Speaker 1: That's okay, no problem. I don't know.

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00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,320
Speaker 3: I don't understand it. It's hard for me to connet.

439
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:09,640
Speaker 2: Sure you're not one with the no so many billions

440
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,240
Speaker 2: are It's okay, I don't.

441
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,119
Speaker 3: So many billions. Yes, they don't need me.

442
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,919
Speaker 2: But I would imagine it's like this thing of like

443
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:18,880
Speaker 2: you'll be at an event or something like like let's

444
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,119
Speaker 2: say that Emmys or Critics Choice or whatever it is,

445
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,119
Speaker 2: and you'll look around and you'll be like, oh, I

446
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 2: know I've known that person for like thirty years.

447
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,199
Speaker 3: In some cases, yes, yeah, that does happen. I know

448
00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:29,960
Speaker 3: it's so weird.

449
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:34,360
Speaker 1: Okay, it's so old. No, no, no, but that's it's

450
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 1: just that like for you to describe the scene and

451
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,160
Speaker 1: don't look up where you're like throwing kills at Leo

452
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 1: right like he walks back in with Kate Blanchette. You're

453
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 1: like for you to say that, like Kate Blanchette being

454
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,400
Speaker 1: in the room was comforting to you, that like, oh

455
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,399
Speaker 1: my gosh, this is my old friend. For Kate Blanchette

456
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 1: to be this comforting presence because of your friendship over

457
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,399
Speaker 1: the years, I think that's like where it's sort of

458
00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,439
Speaker 1: all sort of it cashes in, like these relationships that

459
00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 1: you've built for you know, such a long time.

460
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could not believe what my brain was telling

461
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 3: me that day, Like, thank God for Kate. It's gonna

462
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 3: be the one. It's gonna keep me calm and make

463
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 3: me feel safe and okay, because I didn't know Adam McKay,

464
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 3: I didn't know Leo, you know, nobody.

465
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 1: Those first day of work.

466
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 3: It was my first day of work.

467
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 1: Oh wow wow.

468
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's very grateful. Yeah, I know, so scary.

469
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 1: I love that scene so much. And by the way,

470
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,640
Speaker 1: this is the big question that I wanted to ask

471
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 1: you for a very long time, which is like I

472
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 1: think you've said multiple times that your acting is is

473
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 1: very instinctual. You're you know, you're not as precise as

474
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 1: you would say other actors might be about like Okay,

475
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,159
Speaker 1: it's gonna be this and then this and this and

476
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 1: then this is there's no like sequential thing to it. Yeah,

477
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 1: and yet I always find your performance is so precise

478
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: and specific and like even even in yellow Jackets like

479
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 1: last week, where you know, you know, your daughter's like,

480
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:56,880
Speaker 1: so you killed a guy and then you're like, yeah,

481
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 1: well no, like you just the face journey there is

482
00:22:59,520 --> 00:22:59,919
Speaker 1: already so.

483
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 2: Great.

484
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,479
Speaker 1: And I find it so interesting that you that this

485
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 1: comes so naturally to you, and that is that is

486
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 1: like a true mark of your skill. I guess I think.

487
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 3: People just have different ways of working. Like I remember

488
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 3: once I was on a flight and I was sitting

489
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 3: next to somebody who was like highlighting all the different

490
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,679
Speaker 3: lines in their script with a different color highlighter and

491
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 3: then going over their lines, and like I could see

492
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 3: her choosing the gestures she was going to make like

493
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 3: when she did the lines, and like practicing the same

494
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 3: gesture like over and over on the line, and I

495
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 3: just was like, isn't that interesting? Like it took everything

496
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 3: in me to not just turn around and watch, because

497
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 3: it's such a different process to really like map it

498
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 3: out in that way. I don't know, I just have

499
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,479
Speaker 3: to let it happen. And it can be challenging if

500
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 3: you're working with an actor who's not like giving a.

501
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,719
Speaker 1: Lot, because see, of course it's not collaborative.

502
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 3: It's not collaborative, and you can feel like you're kind

503
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 3: of running uphill and doing too much in that case.

504
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 3: But I really do like to just see what happens

505
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 3: when we get there.

506
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 2: Can you imagine like being on a plane or whatever,

507
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 2: and you have your script and you're sort of highlighting

508
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 2: your script and you're rehearsing your gestures, and then you

509
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,640
Speaker 2: look over and Melanie Lensky is sort of staring at you,

510
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 2: like perplexed, like like like, oh no, I'm I'm rehearsing

511
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,439
Speaker 2: my big gestures. This is not what.

512
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 3: Judgment no judgment on It's just so different, you know.

513
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 3: I just was fascinated by the process, Like that's a

514
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 3: lot of wood.

515
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, one time I was. I was working with someone

516
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 2: one time who it was very clear was not going

517
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,439
Speaker 2: to look at me during the scene, but they were

518
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 2: sort of looking where they were going to look and

519
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 2: like doing They were sort of doing like a picture

520
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 2: for the camera, but it was not acting. They were

521
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 2: sort of giving just like pictures for the camera like

522
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 2: they were doing. And then there was me sort of

523
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 2: sing there but like that, I guess that happens. That's

524
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 2: that's film acting for some people. I'm sure they were

525
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 2: very eas to edit. Later. Probably the editor probably was like, oh,

526
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,479
Speaker 2: this dream a series of pictures for me to put together.

527
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 3: I know I feel bad for editors.

528
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 1: No, no, no, but I feel like all of your things.

529
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: I feel like you do have this continuity with all

530
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: your scenes too, like oh, like the left arm was

531
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 1: up and the left arm was up in the next

532
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 1: in the next cut or something.

533
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 3: That's editing. That's the hard work of editors, because I'm

534
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 3: never paying attention to that. It's terrible, terrible.

535
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 2: The script supervisors are like, Melanie, your left arm wasn't

536
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,719
Speaker 2: up in the air on that one. We needed We

537
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 2: need you back to where you were, queen.

538
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I try.

539
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 1: But so you're just one highlighter.

540
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, speaking of your older stuff, like we were

541
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 2: talking about ever After, as I'm sure you heard because

542
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 2: we were talking about Drew Barrymore on the show.

543
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 3: Yes I did.

544
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,400
Speaker 2: That was that your appearance on Drew Barrymore was so

545
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 2: and obviously it went viral online, like you and Jason

546
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 2: being there together. Yeah, but I just wanted to say,

547
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 2: like you guys like that, it's beyond adorable. It's just

548
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 2: like aspirational, especially as people out here who who now

549
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 2: have like no new gay men rules because of our

550
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,679
Speaker 2: own recent or storied like you know, attempts to make

551
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 2: relationships happen and stuff. What I was really like moved

552
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 2: by and heartened by and made me feel hope again.

553
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 2: Was you know, the bravery with which he came forward

554
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 2: and was like sitting there and was like, yeah, like

555
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 2: I had a lot of problems. I was really struggling,

556
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 2: and then I met the love of my life and

557
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 2: I decided to better myself for that person. And I

558
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 2: just like, I was so inspired by that, because not

559
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 2: everyone is like that. What was the response that you

560
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 2: guys got from that? And what was it? I don't

561
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 2: know if that was something that you guys had talked about,

562
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 2: much like you probably intrinsically knew, but then there you are,

563
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 2: like hearing him do this and really pouring his heart

564
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 2: out and putting it out there. I was like, I

565
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 2: wonder what that felt like.

566
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 3: I was so surprised. He and I I've had a

567
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 3: lot of conversations about everything because we've had to in therapy,

568
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 3: but I didn't know he was going to talk about that,

569
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 3: and it's not something that he has talked about publicly

570
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 3: a whole lot, and neither has drew until very recently.

571
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 3: And you know, I've been on I've known her for

572
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 3: so many years and been on the journey with her

573
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 3: of her process towards getting to this point in her

574
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 3: life and the same with Jason, Like it wasn't an

575
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 3: easy road, and I just in that moment felt kind

576
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 3: of overwhelmed with pride and love for both of them

577
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 3: that they're sitting there and they're in such good places

578
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 3: in their life and they're really like kind and responsible people,

579
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 3: and it just that they were talking to each other

580
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 3: about it. I just it was almost too much in

581
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 3: the moment for me to process. I just had to

582
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 3: kind of be like, oh, this is lovely. And then

583
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 3: later I was like, oh, I was such a huge

584
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 3: I had to go and do another talk show afterwards.

585
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 3: And I just didn't want to leave her, Like she

586
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 3: came into our dressing room and kicked your shoes off

587
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 3: when we were all sitting on the sofa just kind

588
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 3: of like huddled, and I just was like, I don't

589
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 3: want to leave this little cocoon. She's so special.

590
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, she ain't coming into any rooms and you're

591
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 2: not noticing that's because she immediately climbs up next to you.

592
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're just.

593
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 2: Like chin on hand, Yeah, yeah, eyeball to eyeball. I

594
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 2: love it.

595
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 3: I love it.

596
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 2: It's everyone. It's like it's like people that you can

597
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 2: tell she's known for years, and also people that you

598
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,479
Speaker 2: know she's just met, like Chloe from Choe and Hallie

599
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 2: was on her show, and I swear to god, I

600
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: just saw a screenshot of the video and it's literally

601
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 2: Drew like sitting on the chair with that was like,

602
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 2: I love it, and everyone's just on board.

603
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 3: It's so sweet. It's the boy.

604
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: That was a really beautiful moment and you and you two,

605
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: I don't know it was He's dropping off the kids

606
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: at school right now. It's like, this is aspirational. It's

607
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: what Matt was saying. It's like, you know, I are

608
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: so jaded right now and we're just like what do

609
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: we what are we doing?

610
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 3: But it's nice to see.

611
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: It's nice to see like a perfect example of this

612
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: out in the world.

613
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 3: I mean, there have been times in my life where

614
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,239
Speaker 3: I've tried, I've had to give myself a break and

615
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 3: say no, no new news. Yeah very well, but you

616
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 3: know it's difficult if you're like single and you're it's like, well,

617
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 3: you know, how bad could it be? But you know

618
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 3: it's a process and you're both so young, you're so so.

619
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: Much life getting up there.

620
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 3: That's coach Ella. I went once and I just kept

621
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 3: saying to my husband at the time, Jimmy, please remind

622
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 3: me take a picture of what I look like right

623
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 3: now and how miserable I am. So anytime if they

624
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 3: I want to do this again, and you can show

625
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 3: me the picture and say no. Yeah, yeah, I never forgot.

626
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 2: I was yeah.

627
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 3: I just was like, you have to tell me it

628
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 3: was too hot.

629
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 2: It was like, yeah, I was gonna ask was it

630
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 2: the heat, was the respiratory situation? Was it the crowds?

631
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: Like what, Yeah, it was the crowds.

632
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 3: I don't like the crowds.

633
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

634
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 3: I felt very old. And at the time I was

635
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 3: like it was like the first year of Coachella, so

636
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 3: I was really yeah yeah, but it was like when

637
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 3: it was I think it was in May still at

638
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 3: that point, like it was too much.

639
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, so hot.

640
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 2: When you're walking up, you see like the they have

641
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 2: all the old rosters of who used to headline the festival,

642
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 2: and it's like it's funny because it's like the first

643
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 2: year is literally like tool and Muse and raised against

644
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: the machine, and now it's like black Pink Ariana Grande.

645
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 2: You can tell they're they're making it much more pop,

646
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 2: which is what's gonna get me to go because, to

647
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 2: be honest with you, like it's whenever these like breakdowns

648
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 2: of like who's playing the festivals come out, I'm not

649
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 2: cool in terms of my music tastes, like I don't

650
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 2: know like all bands, it's like I don't know who

651
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 2: like DJ Blaze Stink is, you know what I mean, Like,

652
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: I don't. I didn't know what any of this shit was.

653
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 2: I didn't even know who the Chemical Brothers were. And

654
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 2: here's my sister saying they're an iconic, legendary group. But

655
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 2: that is true, that is true. But I had an

656
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 2: amazing time at their show. Wow. They were actually the

657
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 2: highlight of the whole thing for me, I think, but

658
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 2: it's just fun. Yeah, it was really really amazing. I

659
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 2: was also helped, I was, I was aided by Chemicals myself,

660
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 2: but there I was sort of like, really the visuals

661
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 2: were insane, like highly recommend But now I feel insane

662
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 2: because I'm like the last person saying that, because apparently

663
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 2: I'm the last person on earth who doesn't know who

664
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 2: they are. But no, I think in the future my

665
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 2: rule will be if I really love at least one

666
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 2: of the headliners, I'll consider it, you know what I mean? Yeah,

667
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 2: But then it's like because then it's like I'm not

668
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:00,959
Speaker 2: just gonna go to go because I agree with you.

669
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 2: I wish I wish I had taken a picture of

670
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 2: my miserable moments, because then I'd be like, ah, yes,

671
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 2: the part where we have to get in and everyone

672
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 2: was screaming at each other. That's not something you want

673
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 2: to go back to.

674
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 3: Sure, I think I had the opposite balance of you.

675
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 3: I had like two minutes of joy and like fifty

676
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 3: eight minutes of misery per hour. Yeah, it was no good,

677
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 3: no good.

678
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: Well, then what's the ideal live music scenario for Milanie Lindsky?

679
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: Like what is your dream thing?

680
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 2: Oh?

681
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 3: God, it's all old, you know, like when please years ago,

682
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 3: when the Pixies like did the tour where they were

683
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 3: playing all of Doolittle, that was amazing, and then they

684
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,959
Speaker 3: would do like very random songs for the encore. But

685
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 3: now Kim Deal isn't in the Pixies anymore, so it's

686
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 3: a little bit different. I don't know, I haven't seen

687
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 3: live music for so long, right, so.

688
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 2: Long have you been on Kelly Clarkson's show?

689
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 3: No, I haven't wait, I.

690
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: Saw you I'm Sorry'm getting.

691
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to go on Kelly Clarkson, She's got

692
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 2: new music out.

693
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 3: I love Kelly Cladson.

694
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: You.

695
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 2: I feel like you guys would have an incredible talk.

696
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 3: I would. I would love it sometimes if I need

697
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 3: to have a cry, like you just have tears inside

698
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 3: that need to come out and watch her performance of piece.

699
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 3: But she was heavily pregnant. I think she did it

700
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 3: on American Idol and she like can't get through it

701
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 3: and she's breaking.

702
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 2: Down, and I'm just like that song is kind of

703
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 2: haunted now. And yeah, so she wrote the song about

704
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 2: like finally filming, she had a man in her life

705
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 2: who would like not bail and take care of ask

706
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: for money, their daughter asked for money, et cetera. And

707
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, now we have this reality

708
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 2: which is very much the haunted version of that. But

709
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 2: I am excited about a divorce album from her. I

710
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 2: have to say me too.

711
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 3: I can't wait.

712
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 2: Whenever anyone can sort of figure that, figure it out

713
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 2: enough to like put it into the music. That's very exciting,

714
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 2: especially my sort of own era that I'm experiencing right now.

715
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 2: She announced even what the lyrics we're going to be

716
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 2: and I was just like, thank God, at least, at

717
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 2: least I'll have more of an outlet. Now.

718
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good. You need to have those songs that

719
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 3: you could listen to and you're going through it.

720
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 2: But I think you guys have a great chat. Just

721
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 2: putting that out there for the publicists.

722
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 3: Okay, wonderful, Maybe they'll do something Jonah about it. Jonah.

723
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 3: Jonah's so sweet, He's so wonderful.

724
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 2: We love Jonah already. Jonah from id PR shout out

725
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 2: to him.

726
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:35,280
Speaker 3: He's the greatest.

727
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 2: We want to ask you the question that we ask

728
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 2: every single one of our guests, sort of the touchstone

729
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 2: of last culture rasus. Jonah says he's on it. Jonah

730
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 2: is Melanie Lynsky on all right, So Melanie Lynsky, what

731
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 2: was the culture that me you say culture was for you?

732
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 3: I have been agonizing over this question because obviously, as

733
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 3: such a huge reader, I knew I I was going

734
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 3: to be asked. As a child, I didn't really consume

735
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 3: very much culture. My parents were not the kinds of

736
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 3: appearance who would like take us to movies or anything

737
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 3: like that. I remember we got to see et and

738
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 3: that was kind of it. So then my brother and

739
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 3: I were like, ET, we've seen e T. We're so excited.

740
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 2: Scary though you think.

741
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 3: I didn't find it very scary.

742
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 2: That's sort of where in the woods, like where you're like, no,

743
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 2: I like ET, and I'm like, I'm terrified of EUT.

744
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 2: That's what makes me not able to stomach anything.

745
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: I know.

746
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 3: I love it. It's very charming that you're so scared of.

747
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 3: It's so sweet everything, it's so cute. But I guess

748
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 3: I would say like when I got to an age

749
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,760
Speaker 3: where I was able to start like seeing stuff myself

750
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 3: and just going to the video store and getting things out,

751
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 3: like David Lynch. Twin Peaks a huge thing for me,

752
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 3: and then I saw all every David Lynch movie and

753
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 3: I was like, this is it, Like this is what

754
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 3: I want to do. I was so I was in

755
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 3: love with sheryln Fenn, like in love and just the

756
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 3: show was everything. And then I got into directors. I

757
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 3: just started getting really into directors when I was like

758
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 3: thirteen and seeing like all of Mike Lee and Jane Campion,

759
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 3: I was super into. So it was kind of that.

760
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 3: And then also I got very into music because my

761
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 3: best friend Clear Buchanan made me a mixtape from records

762
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 3: that her brothers had brought home from university, and it

763
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 3: was like The Smiths and The Cure and like a

764
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 3: lot of like britpop bands, and then I got very

765
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 3: into music and yeah, so I guess it was that

766
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 3: that time in my life was very formative.

767
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 1: That all makes sense. And I feel like you're you're

768
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: such a director driven actor too.

769
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 3: Yeah I did love a director. Yeah.

770
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 2: I was going to say, is there any director that

771
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 2: like you were like coming up really loving that then

772
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 2: you actualized actually working with like and if you can yeah,

773
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 2: I can imagine. Could you name a couple.

774
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 3: Steven Soderboog, Yeah, that was like major my life dream.

775
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: Yeah.

776
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. I saw Six Lives and videotape and I was like,

777
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 3: oh my god, this is the best movie ever made.

778
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 3: When I was a teenager, I just was like, this

779
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 3: is incredible and I love Sorry, I have like weird

780
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 3: allergies and I feel like my voice sounds so weird

781
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 3: now I'm right.

782
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: There with you.

783
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also it's allergy season. So that's the thing

784
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 2: about eyes shut is if you have them, probably everyone

785
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 2: has them.

786
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 1: And that's every real culture.

787
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 2: That's real culture. Number thirty allergies.

788
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: If you have these, if you have everyone everyone else

789
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: has them.

790
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 3: I love that it's allergy season and Gala season.

791
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, bad timing, not good allergies, Dallas festivals, all

792
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: all all concurring. It's really all ocurring.

793
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 2: People are supposed to appear with this, with these ninuses,

794
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 2: I don't think so. M The thing about Steven Soderberg too,

795
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 2: which I love, is it's like he's got like such

796
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 2: a strong visual style and like he is, but the

797
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 2: stories that he tells are all really different, like he

798
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 2: works in very different worlds, like when you consider like

799
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 2: Aaron Brockovic and also traffic and also like Magic Mic.

800
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: It's it's it's very yes.

801
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 2: Very much so, and it's it's like some of those

802
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 2: movies are protagonist driven, some are very much ensemble driven,

803
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 2: but it all feels like there's a control over the

804
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 2: material and always also very rewatchable so much, you know,

805
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 2: the very specific world's very grounded, but also managing like

806
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 2: definitely very specific, like iconography as well, like for Julia

807
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 2: Roberts to feel like a real person in Aaron Brockovic,

808
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 2: which obviously was a quarter requirement because she was still

809
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 2: to be larger than life, but existing in the world

810
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 2: like it's he's just he's one of the greats. I say, obviously,

811
00:38:58,880 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 2: the answer is duh.

812
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 3: He is one of the greats. And the experience of

813
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 3: working with him was it lived up to my expectations,

814
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 3: which were insane. My expectations were crazy.

815
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 2: Right, and in the way of like you think he's

816
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 2: going to have like really interesting things to say to

817
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 2: you as an actor, he's going to be in control.

818
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 2: Like when you say you have high expectations, what do

819
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 2: you mean.

820
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 3: I just was like, this is something that I've wanted

821
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 3: since I knew I wanted to be an actor, to

822
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 3: work with this person, and I don't know what this

823
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 3: experience has to be for me to not be disappointed

824
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 3: on some level, Like it's it's every it's my life

825
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 3: dream and it's about to happen, right, And then he

826
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 3: surpassed it. I mean, he just was like so collaborative.

827
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 3: You go into the room to start blocking something and

828
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:45,479
Speaker 3: he'd be like, it doesn't have to be this room,

829
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 3: Like does this feel right? You know? It was so

830
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 3: like open to moving things around and improv and just

831
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 3: like not a lot of compliments. I hate compliments.

832
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 2: You hate compliments really complements.

833
00:39:58,840 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 3: I hate compliments.

834
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: It feels like we're so sorry for complimenting you. It's okay.

835
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,720
Speaker 3: I sat through it and it was very very sweet.

836
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: But that work.

837
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 3: Like when I'm working with some you know, the thing

838
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 3: where directors come up and they're like, oh my god,

839
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 3: beautiful when you did that, say oh, I don't. I

840
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:15,720
Speaker 3: hate it. I just want to feel like a grip,

841
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 3: like if I do something wrong, like if the camera

842
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 3: move isn't right, like then you'll tell like the grip

843
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 3: like hey, just that one little moment, you got to

844
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 3: smooth that out.

845
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

846
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 3: I don't want to feel and the rest.

847
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: Of the crew I hear you.

848
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 2: I hear you. So it's like it's this thing of

849
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 2: you don't want to feel like the part of the

850
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 2: production that needs that, because it's it's like, yeah, but

851
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 2: there is this idea though, like that when you're an actor.

852
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 2: I guess many directors and many other people on set think, oh,

853
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 2: this person probably needs that because they are being vulnerable

854
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 2: slash emotional or on the negative side of that, like

855
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: they might have an ego we have to cater too. Yeah,

856
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 2: got it.

857
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the worst feeling to feel handled that is

858
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: my worst feeling like in any sort of professional setting.

859
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 3: Oh, I can't stand.

860
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: It completely completely.

861
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 3: Somebody like trying to like bring you things all the time,

862
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 3: walking into the bathroom, like things that you're doing everyday

863
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 3: life without dying. You know you should be able to do.

864
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: That also exactly. Someone someone work called me, like a

865
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: pa at work called me, you're so amazing, Like do

866
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: you want anything? I was like, no, like I don't

867
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: know a banana if we have one, a crafty and

868
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: she was like, you're so maintenance. I was like, no,

869
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: I'm no, I'm not. I promise you I'm not. I'm

870
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: just I'm okay.

871
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 2: He's not, he's not.

872
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go, there you go. No, I'm not,

873
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 1: I'm not not at all.

874
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 2: But then you are like you are, like, who else

875
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:41,720
Speaker 2: are you dealing with? That's like, yes, I need this, Yeah.

876
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 3: But there are some but there are some people.

877
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. It's true for Steven Sodaberg to be like,

878
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,399
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be this room that I've never

879
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 1: gotten that before. I'm like, oh, you be anywhere.

880
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, just like where what feels right, what feels good? Wow,

881
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 3: it's so fun, it's just fun.

882
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 2: Oh go bo.

883
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 1: Yes, I was gonna quickly ask what what was Jamie

884
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: Babbitt like on but I'm are I know it was

885
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: like years and years ago, but Jimmy Babbitt, But I'm

886
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: a cheerleader. No, but because because she was, it was

887
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: well she but she's she directed to some episodes the

888
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: first season of North from Queens and I was just like,

889
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's that's Jamie and but like, but

890
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: I'm a cheerleader, like and I didn't. I hadn't rewatched

891
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: it until the Pandemic until Lockdown, and I was like,

892
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: this is such an important movie, Like look at everybody

893
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: on this cast. It's you, It's like Natasha, It's it's clear,

894
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: it's ru Paul, It's like all these amazing people. I'm like,

895
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: what was what was that set?

896
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 2: Like? I wonder it.

897
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 3: Was absolutely crazy. We were all like twenty one years

898
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 3: old and crazy people. Was like we wrap at five

899
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 3: am and then go like stat a partty like have

900
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 3: a party until Jimmy like it was we were absolutely

901
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 3: it was really fun. But Jamie was so wonderful even then,

902
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 3: like she was super young too, and she was like

903
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 3: very in control of everything. And I've worked with her

904
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 3: since she directed a couple of episodes of the show

905
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 3: Girl Boss that I did, and one day we wrapped

906
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 3: before lunch, like she's so on top of it.

907
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, oh lunch.

908
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 2: I know.

909
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 3: She's amazing just making decisions and yeah it was lunchtime

910
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,439
Speaker 3: and they were like, that's a wrap and that's never

911
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 3: happened before. She's so like capable and decisive and she

912
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 3: keeps things moving but everyone's having a good time. So

913
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 3: the energy is high, you know. The energy, but I'm

914
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 3: a cheerleader is like crazy because of who like what

915
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 3: she brings to it. I love her, love her.

916
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,439
Speaker 2: Because you mentioned Jane Campion, did you get to meet

917
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 2: because we were actually at the Critics Choice Awards. So

918
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 2: Bowe and I were at the Critics Choice Awards the

919
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 2: night that you won for Yellow Jackets, and we're very

920
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 2: excited and we were sitting there and we sort of

921
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 2: got and I'm just going to say wasted by the

922
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 2: end of that night, appeared like everyone else in that

923
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 2: room did too. But I do sort of remember Jane

924
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 2: Campion winning the awards, and I wonder because you mentioned her,

925
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 2: did you get to meet Jane Campion that night?

926
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 3: I did? That was the night that I made.

927
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 2: That was the night that you met her.

928
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, the connection was made.

929
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: Hellar.

930
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 3: She was so sweet, she was so wonderful, very nice

931
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 3: to me. It was a big moment for me. Yeah.

932
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well to be honest, and we talked about

933
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: on the pod the next the next episode from from that,

934
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: from that Awards night, it was like Matt basically had

935
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 1: to like re educate me because I was like, oh

936
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: my god, like Melanie Link and like I hadn't started

937
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: watching Yellow Jackets at that point, and I was like

938
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: that was such a special moment. And then Matt was like, no,

939
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: you've seen like she is. This is Melanie Lynsky, the

940
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 1: character actress like of our time, and like just was

941
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: walking me through it, and I was like, oh my god.

942
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 2: That's right, No you are. I mean, like that's this

943
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 2: is the thing is. It's like it's if you're someone

944
00:44:55,880 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 2: who watches movies and like it consumes like film and television,

945
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 2: and you're like our age, you know what I mean,

946
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 2: Like you are a part of so many things and

947
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 2: that has to be I wonder if you ever like

948
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 2: look at your resume and you're just like do you

949
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 2: have vivid memories of everything or like, are you someone

950
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 2: that like, do you journal, do you keep things like?

951
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 2: Because you have such a vast body of work and

952
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 2: it's all so diverse and so different, and so you

953
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,479
Speaker 2: probably have people coming up to you all the time

954
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 2: and saying a different thing. I would imagine now as

955
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 2: of late, it's a lot of yellow jackets because it's

956
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 2: this moment, it's this like cultural phenomenon. But I wonder

957
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 2: about when you look back, like if you have like

958
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 2: not total recall, but good recall about the types of

959
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 2: things you've done, because it is it's crazy.

960
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 3: Oh thank you. I mean it is kind of crazy

961
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 3: to have been doing something for thirty years, yeah, and

962
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 3: just look back and go, oh my god, it's just crazy.

963
00:45:59,160 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 2: Yeah.

964
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:01,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I read an interview a while

965
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 3: ago where somebody was kind of like blah blah blah

966
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 3: her career up until this point and now she's doing

967
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 3: all these great things, and I was like, hang on

968
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 3: a minute. Yeah, I was so proud to be a

969
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 3: working actor. I was so proud to make a living

970
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 3: as an actor and just to be doing things and

971
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 3: things that have like resonated sometimes not always, but you know,

972
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 3: I feel I feel really proud of like my career

973
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 3: before this point, you know.

974
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean and thin, and even in trying to

975
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 2: be a working actor now and trying to do it now,

976
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 2: like it's you know, there's this dream of like wanting

977
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 2: to like build out, and I really feel like that's

978
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 2: how you get good, you know what I mean is

979
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 2: by doing a lot of different types of things and

980
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 2: having a lot of different types of experiences. And I

981
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 2: guess the idea is that work begets more work if

982
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 2: you show up and you feel like you were on

983
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 2: time and did the job. And that probably is what

984
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 2: leads you to this idea of like I'm just here

985
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 2: a part of the community of the set, like not

986
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 2: needing compliments, not being that actor because you have from

987
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 2: the very beginning been like functional in these films and

988
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 2: so you get to show up and that probably over

989
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 2: time makes you ready to be number one on a

990
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 2: call sheet on a huge show like this, And I wonder, like,

991
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 2: is the experience really that different now from then, Like

992
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 2: now that you are number one in a call sheet

993
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 2: and you are like the quote unquote star of this ensemble,

994
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,959
Speaker 2: even though like it is very much an ensemble very much. Yeah, yeah,

995
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 2: but like you do occupy like that role, and so

996
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 2: I wonder, like, is that a little bit odd for

997
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 2: you as someone that's always been a character actor or are

998
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 2: you just not see it like that.

999
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 3: I don't really see it like that, because the experience

1000
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 3: of going to work is the same, right, and you know,

1001
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 3: it's just going to work and doing the work in

1002
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 3: the same way. I don't know. I think maybe because

1003
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 3: I've been like twenty five on a call sheet and

1004
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 3: number sixteen on a call sheet thousands of times, I

1005
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 3: don't really pay that much attention to that. I don't

1006
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:10,240
Speaker 3: have like an.

1007
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 2: Ego, not even an ego thing. I just know, like

1008
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 2: as a choice of responsibility thing, sometimes there is this

1009
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 2: idea of like leadership, you know what I mean.

1010
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 3: I guess that's what I do feel a responsibility, especially

1011
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 3: because there's like younger actors on our show totally who

1012
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 3: I want to know are having a good experience, and

1013
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 3: I feel a responsibility like for the crew and stuff

1014
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,280
Speaker 3: like that to make sure everybody's days are going smoothly

1015
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 3: and everybody's happy and wants to come back next season

1016
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. Obviously it's not all up to me,

1017
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 3: but yeah, I do feel more because I also noticed

1018
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 3: in the past, when I was a supporting actor, working

1019
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 3: with the people who would make sure everybody was comfortable,

1020
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 3: everybody was happy. It was always a big deal to me.

1021
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: But you can tell. I mean, even when you won

1022
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: that night at the Critics' Choice, it was like it

1023
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 1: was that whole like your whole section is erupted for

1024
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: you and especially the youngers.

1025
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 3: I know it makes me cry to even think about.

1026
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: It's beautiful, but that's a real thing, though.

1027
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 2: I would imagine that you know it's you, Tawny, Juliet

1028
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 2: and Christina. The four of you have all worked for

1029
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 2: a very long time, some incredibly famously, So I mean,

1030
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 2: like not just you, but Christina Ricci and Juliet Lewis.

1031
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 2: Like I don't know Tawny from like I don't know

1032
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 2: if she was working as a child or anything, but

1033
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 2: like Christina and Juliette were massive, massive icons. Like yeah,

1034
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 2: and so I was watching something with the four of you,

1035
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 2: it kind of came up like that. Watching a younger

1036
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 2: generation of actresses or of younger actors is sort of

1037
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 2: wild now in twenty twenty three, as opposed to when

1038
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 2: y'all were doing it in the nineties, because and you

1039
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 2: and I saw something kind of flickered across Christina's eyes

1040
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 2: in particular, like maybe she had like been through it,

1041
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,240
Speaker 2: and I was like, and of course, you know Juliette,

1042
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 2: we know she's lived quite alife, and so it's like

1043
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 2: the types of treatment must be so much better now,

1044
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 2: and so that must be like something that's top of mind.

1045
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 2: When you say, like you want to make sure the

1046
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 2: younger actors are having a good time and like that

1047
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 2: their experience is good. It probably is because as actresses

1048
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 2: it had to be like kind of the school of

1049
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 2: hard knocks there for quite a while.

1050
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I mean it was like so rough sometimes, yeah,

1051
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 3: and also like for me to find my voice on

1052
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 3: set and feel like it was okay for me to

1053
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 3: have an opinion or kind of push back a little

1054
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 3: bit if someone gave me a note I didn't like.

1055
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 3: My instincts are always very strong, so if somebody tries

1056
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 3: to direct me away from them, I don't have any training.

1057
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 3: I don't know how to do that, so I will

1058
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 3: kind of fight to stay on the path that my

1059
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 3: instincts are telling me to stay on in the performance.

1060
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 3: But it was tough, you know, And then like weird

1061
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 3: harassment and you know, like it was just not a

1062
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 3: fun time. Sometimes sometimes it was wonderful, but sometimes it wasn't.

1063
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 3: And so I, you know, I was hopeful that the

1064
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 3: set of Yellow Jackets would not be like that. But

1065
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 3: just in case, I said to them, like, please come

1066
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 3: to me, come to me for anything. I'll go to

1067
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 3: the producers for you. I'll go to the producers with

1068
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 3: you whatever you need. And they've all kind of been

1069
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 3: like thanks, like fine, they're fine. It's such a different generation,

1070
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,439
Speaker 3: like they're handling it themselves. There's no thing of them

1071
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 3: being like, oh is it okay for me to say this.

1072
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 3: They're all like I don't like this. I don't like that.

1073
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 3: Here's what I need And it's amazing. It's so exciting. Yeah,

1074
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 3: I love it.

1075
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: Still so meaningful for you to, like, I don't know,

1076
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 1: like lay that groundwork down or just set that tone

1077
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: in case there is someone who is like I don't

1078
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: really know how to address the situation.

1079
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, just in case. It's always scary to know, like

1080
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 3: who can you go to? What's okay if something is wrong?

1081
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 3: So yeah, none of them have needed me, but I'm

1082
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 3: still here if they do.

1083
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 2: They're all really cool, like whenever we're around them because

1084
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 2: I feel like we pop up around them a lot,

1085
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 2: like you know, a lot. Yeah, we see the two

1086
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 2: of them a lot, just for whatever reason that events

1087
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 2: and stuff. We actually like raged with them that night

1088
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 2: at the Critics Choice Awards, and I'm telling you we

1089
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 2: were we were we were dancing in this area where

1090
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 2: also Jane Campion was dancing and she was tearing she

1091
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 2: was getting down, and I remember we were just like, wow,

1092
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 2: like that's where I live. Was like, that's really Jane

1093
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 2: Campion tearing it up. I was like, I mean, she's

1094
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 2: in a huge moment. But yeah, we always see them,

1095
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,399
Speaker 2: and they they do like have like all of them

1096
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 2: have this like just cool factor. And I'm like, you

1097
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 2: guys are the stars of Yellow Jackets, aren't you.

1098
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 3: Col They are all so cool, like so cool.

1099
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:42,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1100
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 3: I really do feel like the mom I feel like,

1101
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 3: I'm like, is everything okay?

1102
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1103
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 2: Do you enjoy like gnarly shows like this, because you're

1104
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 2: appearing in several of them currently at the moment, I mean,

1105
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 2: you got like fucked up in the Last of Us

1106
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 2: Alert and then Yellow Jackets is such a gnarly show.

1107
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 2: Do you like, are you someone that consumes stuff? Like that,

1108
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 2: and are you able to sign up for products like

1109
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 2: that and be like, oh, yeah, today we're killing somebody.

1110
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 3: I guess so. I mean, I watch all kinds of stuff,

1111
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 3: don't I don't get scared easily. I don't have any

1112
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 3: adrenal function, so I don't get I don't like I

1113
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 3: literally I like, yeah, I should be on atention or

1114
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 3: to stopterone or something like that. Jason tries to scare

1115
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 3: me all the time, and he can't hid. I just go, oh,

1116
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 3: it's really weird. Like he'll hide in a dark corner

1117
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 3: and then come like bursting out.

1118
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 2: Oh. He is one of those, isn't he.

1119
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:45,760
Speaker 3: He is a jugster. He's a frustrated prankster. I can't

1120
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 3: speak prank so I don't have a reaction if so,

1121
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't have a thing where I'm

1122
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 3: like scared about particular things. On Candy, it was like

1123
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 3: really sad just knowing that somebody had actually gone through that, yeah,

1124
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 3: and just thinking about just emotion a little baby being

1125
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 3: in the house while it happened, and just one awful

1126
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,760
Speaker 3: thing for her family, and just you know, I felt

1127
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 3: like a responsibility on that one to try to get

1128
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 3: it as right as I could with the amount of

1129
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 3: information I had, But the scary stuff is just kind

1130
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 3: of fun.

1131
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I always feel like I could act

1132
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 2: in one but couldn't watch one. I always feel like

1133
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 2: like I could probably do that because like you see that,

1134
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 2: you see like the nuts and bolts of it all,

1135
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,280
Speaker 2: but like watching it, I literally I physically have pain

1136
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 2: because like.

1137
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 3: On the Last of Us there's this guy, like there's

1138
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 3: this big, huge floature creature who comes out and he's

1139
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 3: so huge and scary, and then i'd see him in

1140
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 3: between takes with his Fiji water like someone's beating him

1141
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 3: as little, you know, because it's so hot in there,

1142
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 3: and he was like almost passing out.

1143
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: Oh oh, and.

1144
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 3: So he had to like have his little SIPs of

1145
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 3: water and it was really sweet and endearing. And then

1146
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 3: you can't be scared after you see that.

1147
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: No, No, especially if if Jason's one of the mushroom.

1148
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,959
Speaker 1: If Jason's a clicker, then you're like, oh, that's that's

1149
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: my guy.

1150
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 2: He's basically a clicker. My husband's basically a clicker. It's

1151
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:10,280
Speaker 2: actually a really colchre number one hundred. My husband's basically.

1152
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: My husband's basically a clicker. I want to talk video

1153
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:14,959
Speaker 1: games next time I see you, guys, if I would

1154
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: love to talk video games with Jason because I know

1155
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: he plays.

1156
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 3: He's a little Sam all right, I'll switch off and

1157
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 3: look up into the ceiling. No, no, no, That's what

1158
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 3: I do when he talks about video games. I'm like, yeah,

1159
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 3: he is a he loves video games.

1160
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 2: Did he plays?

1161
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 3: Yes, he did. It's his favorite video game ever.

1162
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 2: Oh wow.

1163
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 3: He was like, you have to do it. When they

1164
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 3: asked me to do it, he was like, you have

1165
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 3: to no questions asked.

1166
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen. It makes sense because Matt, I remember the

1167
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:47,760
Speaker 1: first time I heard of The Last of Us, which

1168
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: was you and I were coming back from a story

1169
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: Pirates show and Eric Gerson was in the car. There

1170
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: was there's this trade show called E three every summer

1171
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: and it's like twenty twelve, twenty thirteen or something and

1172
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: Eric are from Airic. Person turns to me, he goes,

1173
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: they just announced this game at E three. It's being

1174
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 1: called the Citizen Kane of video games in terms of

1175
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,280
Speaker 1: like the narrative, and they're like, it's called The Last

1176
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: of Us. They did motion capture on it. It's gonna

1177
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: be amazing and it was like really, and then I

1178
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 1: didn't play it until much later. But like the journey

1179
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: for the Last, like the Last of Us has been

1180
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: like on people's minds for like over a decade at

1181
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 1: this point, and like, I'm sure you know all this

1182
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: at this point, but like I probably think that it

1183
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 1: was probably you weren't hampered by like all of the

1184
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 1: fan the fan wait, the fan fare around it, Like

1185
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: you were just able to go into this role, this

1186
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: new role for the show and be like let me

1187
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 1: just you know, let me just like start from scratch

1188
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: and I don't have to like be beholden too like

1189
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: a prior performance necessarily. Maybe Yeah, I.

1190
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 3: Was very grateful for that. I was like, thank god,

1191
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 3: it's a new character. And also Craig wrote it for me,

1192
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 3: the creator of the show. He said I've written this

1193
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 3: path for you, which was so lovely. So then I

1194
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 3: also felt like he knew what he was going to get.

1195
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,760
Speaker 3: You know, sometimes it's scary to the audition for things,

1196
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 3: but also I hate auditioning, so it's worse to have

1197
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 3: to audition. Yeah, it's not the best. I'm very bad

1198
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 3: at it.

1199
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 2: Do you feel that you feel not auditioning I'm really bad.

1200
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 2: What do you think is it do you do you

1201
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 2: struggle like with the lines in the audition or do

1202
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 2: you feel like, like what is it with with auditioning?

1203
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 3: For you, it's just the pressure put on the one performance,

1204
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 3: Like you can't be close with it. You can't see

1205
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 3: what happens, Like you have to make a decision and

1206
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 3: commit to something and give like a thing and guess

1207
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 3: what they want. And it's like you can't just like

1208
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 3: do your first take and have it be the thing

1209
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 3: that comes out right and be like okay, well, like

1210
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 3: work with that a little bit.

1211
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 2: But I would imagine that you probably only have to

1212
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 2: audition for like the big stuff, right, Like there's probably

1213
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 2: a lot. You probably do get a ton of offers,

1214
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 2: Like when's last time you did like a self tape?

1215
00:57:58,600 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 2: You don't do self tapes.

1216
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 3: I mean it's been a few years. Thankful. Those are misery.

1217
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 2: They're they're really terrible, thank you.

1218
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's rough.

1219
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 2: And the experience of just putting yourself on tape not

1220
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 2: knowing what they're gonna want, without the ability to get

1221
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 2: notes and anything. It's just a completely different thing. It's

1222
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 2: weird that our industry has like been okay obviously that

1223
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 2: we've had because of the pandemic, But like I can't

1224
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 2: even stress enough how like much more fun it is

1225
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 2: and how much more complete and you know secure you

1226
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 2: can feel when you at least like have the opportunity

1227
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 2: to connect with like someone involved in the movie or

1228
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 2: cast indrector and take a note and actually I feel

1229
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 2: like you acted that day and didn't just like guess

1230
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 2: at how you wanted to appear on your little phone.

1231
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 3: The guessing is so hard. And then also when you

1232
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:52,479
Speaker 3: walk into an audition, it's over, like, yeah, you don't

1233
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 3: have anything to do. You don't have to then you know,

1234
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 3: try to figure out how to load it and send

1235
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 3: it and choose, go through all your takes and choose

1236
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 3: the take. Yeah, I will say my ex husband was

1237
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 3: it is very very good at doing self tapes, Like, yeah,

1238
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 3: he would he's a wonderful actor. He would never have

1239
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 3: read the script. He would be like brutial with the notes.

1240
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 3: It really tough, like so intense. We would always get

1241
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 3: in a fight, but he was always right, like he

1242
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 3: just had an instinct about it. And then we would

1243
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 3: I got so many jobs from self tapes that Jimmy made. Wow, yeah,

1244
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 3: I got the informant I got when when I got

1245
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 3: like all these great movies from and when we broke out,

1246
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 3: my agent was like, do you think he could think?

1247
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 3: I don't know. A couple of times I did ask him,

1248
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 3: I said, would you mind him coming to do the

1249
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 3: self tape? He was very gracious about it. But he's

1250
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 3: very like I don't know, he was, he's kind of

1251
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 3: a master. He does it for everybody as well, like

1252
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 3: a lot of our friends oople have him. Yeah, he

1253
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 3: like gets people jobs from his self tapes.

1254
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: Skill the informant because then Matt wouldn't be able to

1255
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: tell you that that advice.

1256
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go exactly. Yeah.

1257
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 2: I always the finding the person that you're like that

1258
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 2: you feel comfortable enough to ask to like put you

1259
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 2: on a self tape.

1260
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: It's so it might as well be a marriage proposal. Yeah, yeah,

1261
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: it's it's so much. It's huge.

1262
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. And also doing it and a couple is frustrating too,

1263
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:26,959
Speaker 2: because like I remember when my ex Jared and would

1264
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 2: would put me on tape, especially during during the pandemic

1265
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 2: or like right before. Like it's like that thing of

1266
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 2: when you you go back and watch the clips of

1267
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 2: what you've done on your phone. You literally see the

1268
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 2: worst version of yourself because there you are, like stressed

1269
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 2: out about to do a self tape, and he would

1270
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 2: just say something like, okay, so what do you think

1271
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 2: about and I would just be like, no, we have

1272
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 2: to just do it. We have to just do it.

1273
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 2: And just like you're here, you're watching yourself be horrible

1274
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 2: to deal with. And then you're like, oh no, now

1275
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 2: I have just like all this archived footage of me

1276
01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 2: like at my worst, like stressed, trying to act nasty

1277
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 2: to my boyfriend.

1278
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 3: Oh it's awful, It's terrible.

1279
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 2: Oh my god, rible, terrible. So what are you watching now?

1280
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 2: What's what's inspiring you nowadays?

1281
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 3: I'm watching poker Face.

1282
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're a good watcher. You're always you're always posting

1283
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 2: about what you're what you're watching.

1284
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 3: I try to be supportive. It's so good. Natasha's so funny.

1285
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 3: She's so funny.

1286
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 2: Sheecock is nailing it. Lately. I just watched see the

1287
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 2: first two episodes of Missus Davis with our favorite in

1288
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 2: the world, Betty Gilpin.

1289
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 3: I worship her, absolutely worship her.

1290
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 2: Isn't she amazing?

1291
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 3: She is amazing.

1292
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 2: You're gonna love this show. It's it's like a whack

1293
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 2: of show. It's it's Damon Lindelof. But yes, I think

1294
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 2: it's the funniest he's ever been. Like it's really sort

1295
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 2: of like a surreal like comedy in a way. It's

1296
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 2: it's it's I can't even really explain what it's about.

1297
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 2: I would just like emphasize that everyone should really give

1298
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 2: this one a shot. I think this going to be

1299
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 2: four episodes out like on four twenty, which is a

1300
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 2: great day to start watching this show. And it's it's

1301
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 2: really big for the stoner community. But Betty is one

1302
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 2: of those actors that just like everything she does feels

1303
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 2: brand new. It's it's sort of sort of maybe it's

1304
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 2: even similar to what you're saying of like you know, instinctually,

1305
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 2: like it feels like you can't fuck with whatever she's

1306
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 2: doing because it's as it always feels very natural to

1307
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 2: her and very singular to her, and you know, it's

1308
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 2: it's giving character actor as lead actress in that way

1309
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 2: that you love to see, you know.

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01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it and it is like that because I

1311
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 3: worked with mac Marin and I was like, can you

1312
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 3: tell me everything about what she was Bitty Gilben, because

1313
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 3: I worship her. I want to know, and he told

1314
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 3: me like, oh my god, it's incredible. You never know

1315
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 3: what she's going to do. Like the instincts are on fire,

1316
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 3: and she's just like this thing that's like the connection.

1317
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 3: Like he just was like, it's one of the greatest

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01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 3: things you could ever experience.

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Speaker 1: Have you read her book?

1320
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:05,479
Speaker 3: Yes?

1321
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 2: I have.

1322
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 3: It's so I mean, I just like, she's absolutely incredible.

1323
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 3: I just love her.

1324
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you get along grade.

1325
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 2: Do you guys know each other.

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01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 3: I've met her a couple of times. I actually years ago,

1327
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 3: I saw her in like an off, off off Broadway play.

1328
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 3: I found out it was a very early thing that

1329
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 3: she did, and I just it was as though there

1330
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 3: was like a huge spotlight on her and everyone else

1331
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 3: on stage just kind of like blurred away. Sorry to

1332
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 3: all those people. I'm sure they're great, but I just

1333
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 3: was like, who is that? Like she is magnificent. And

1334
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 3: I've kind of followed her career since then. I'll be like,

1335
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 3: oh my god, it's the girl from the play. It's

1336
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 3: the girl from the play. And then I did get

1337
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 3: to meet her a few years ago, and I just

1338
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 3: was like, I'm weirdly obsessed with you.

1339
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 2: We need that project, we need we need you guys

1340
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 2: to get really Oh my god, now I'm dropping everything

1341
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 2: to write the vehicle.

1342
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 1: I know, I know we'll get to typing.

1343
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 2: Man, Oh my god, wait me And that's me and

1344
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 2: Bowen's first feature that we were at col writes together.

1345
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 2: But it's not even for us. Well, we can play

1346
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 2: tiny part. We'll poke our head out of a window

1347
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 2: and go like, oh no, perfect, that'll be our That'll

1348
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 2: be our contribution. Okay, Bowen, Yane, what do you think

1349
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 2: should we move to I don't think so, honey.

1350
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 1: I think so. I think this is a great time

1351
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 1: to do that.

1352
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:44,800
Speaker 2: Okay. So Melanie Lensky is joining us today on this

1353
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 2: episode of Last Cool Treestus, and it has come to

1354
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 2: the point in the episode where we do I don't

1355
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:51,439
Speaker 2: think so, honey, which is our sifty second segment where

1356
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 2: you know, we really take the time to bring something

1357
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 2: down that sits up on a high perch and we

1358
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 2: pull it, pull it, pull it down. And I don't

1359
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 2: think so, honey. I do have a topic. I did

1360
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 2: mention it at the beginning, but I feel like I

1361
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 2: have to keep going on it because it really was.

1362
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 1: Wild Okay, all right, this is interesting. This is Matt Rogers'

1363
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.

1364
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 2: I don't think so, honey. Frank Ocean and Coachella. Here's

1365
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 2: the thing. It's just that if you're allowed to be eccentric, okay,

1366
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 2: you're allowed to be hashtag going through it. But the

1367
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 2: fact is there was thousands and thousands of fans that

1368
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 2: came there to see you, and yes, I'm not even

1369
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 2: like maybe they had a good experience with it. I'm

1370
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 2: talking to some people that are like, no, it was

1371
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 2: actually beautiful. It is actually what I wanted from Frank.

1372
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 2: Dad gave us what we wanted. But a lot of

1373
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 2: people were kind of just like, here's the thing. If

1374
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 2: you wanted to see Frank and you wanted a good spot,

1375
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 2: you actually kind of had to post up very early

1376
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 2: and sit all the way through. Buyork now, Byork is

1377
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 2: someone that we love and are obsessed with, but Buorck

1378
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 2: was sort of doing the more experimental moment with orchestra,

1379
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 2: and I'm guessing that the Frank people may Buyork people.

1380
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 2: So that's kind of the way that Coachella is said up.

1381
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 2: And I don't think so, honey. That like, it's that

1382
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 2: difficult to get a spot. But look, when you're as

1383
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 2: popular as Frank Oshan, it's gonna be that difficult to

1384
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 2: get And when you're as popular as Frank Oshan, as

1385
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 2: Frank Ocean, you have to know that we have to

1386
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:13,959
Speaker 2: honor the people in the crowd. I don't think so, honey. Also,

1387
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 2: the ice skating rink.

1388
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 1: And that's one minute. I didn't know about this ice

1389
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 1: skating rink until that's. Wow.

1390
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 2: He had an ice skating rink built and they were

1391
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 2: had to melt it down before he went on stage. Well,

1392
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 2: there were professional ice skaters that had, I guess, practiced

1393
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 2: for weeks and weeks to be a part of this performance,

1394
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 2: and then they came out with this excuse afterwards. Well

1395
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 2: they were like, well, Frank hurt his ankle and so

1396
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 2: couldn't do the the ice skating of it all. And

1397
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 2: I'm like, he didn't look like he hurt his ankle.

1398
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 2: I mean, he walked out on stage, he did the thing.

1399
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I can't speculate on what actually happened,

1400
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 2: but I can say that the festival ended on a

1401
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 2: very dour, sour vibe because of all of it. It

1402
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 2: was just it was frustrating. And also I'll say this,

1403
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 2: and this will be the last thing I say about Coachella.

1404
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 2: So Blink Wind was added to the set list very late,

1405
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 2: and I think that, on face value, adding Blank twent

1406
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 2: eighty two into the mix is gonna feel very exciting.

1407
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:14,040
Speaker 2: And then you sort of get there and you see

1408
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 2: Blank Twentity two performing, and you see the crowd at

1409
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 2: Blank twent eity two, and I can only describe it

1410
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 2: as kind of scary and haunted because it's a lot

1411
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 2: of straight guy's screaming. And I'll say this about the

1412
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 2: spoken word interludes in between the Blank Twentity two songs.

1413
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 2: It was a lot of yeah, if we did this now,

1414
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 2: we get canceled for this one, or like like still

1415
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 2: kind of like humor about like eating each other's moms out,

1416
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:42,160
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like that kind of like

1417
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 2: boy humor from the nineties, And you watch it as

1418
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 2: a sort of queer adult and you're saying, hmm, if

1419
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:51,919
Speaker 2: you're someone who like relentlessly needs to be like, yeah,

1420
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 2: we can't do this anymore. I remember the old days.

1421
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:57,360
Speaker 2: It's like what you're explicitly kind of saying is that

1422
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 2: you're not cool. With the way things are now, or

1423
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 2: that you like really wish for a time where things

1424
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 2: were quote unquote different or quote unquote cooler. And I'm like, okay, so,

1425
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 2: like the intrinsic like thing that you're saying here is

1426
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 2: that you kind of like hate that, like diversity is

1427
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:16,680
Speaker 2: a thing. It just felt a little intrinsically homophobic to me.

1428
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 2: And I can't explain it because they didn't say any

1429
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 2: homophobic things, but the energy was very giving. I'm not

1430
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 2: going over.

1431
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 1: There, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, well that's

1432
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:27,759
Speaker 1: too bad.

1433
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 2: It's sort of like whenever an eminem song plays and

1434
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 2: you're like, oh yeah, and then you kind of are

1435
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:33,120
Speaker 2: like no.

1436
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:35,680
Speaker 1: I do think Blink was able to sort of like

1437
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:39,599
Speaker 1: appeal to a wider sector of people. And I do

1438
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 1: feel like, maybe.

1439
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 2: Is that because there wasn't much more than that, you

1440
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like the monoculture kind of got

1441
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 2: us there.

1442
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 1: But I feel like they influenced so much. I don't know,

1443
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 1: Blink is interesting and maybe maybe we'll maybe we'll dissect

1444
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 1: it dissected a little bit more like I'm not here

1445
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 1: to yuck yums.

1446
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 2: And that was another thing I really didn't think so

1447
01:08:57,439 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 2: honey about the festival was like if you didn't like

1448
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 2: Black Pink, like, stop saying it's so loudly, like so

1449
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 2: many people are here to see Black Pink. I get it,

1450
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 2: Like every song is kind of.

1451
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 1: That's not what you're doing. That's not what you're doing.

1452
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 2: No, And I'm not looking out, I'm just saying, like

1453
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 2: what it's so funny and interesting to And this is

1454
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:14,599
Speaker 2: like the monoculture of it all. It's like we all

1455
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 2: remember Blank, Wendy too, we all know all the words,

1456
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden.

1457
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:20,959
Speaker 3: I don't remember. I don't think I could name the two.

1458
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 2: What's what's That's okay, that's okay, What's.

1459
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 1: All the small things?

1460
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 2: You know, all those guys, Yeah, all the small things.

1461
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, you remember it, and you're like, oh

1462
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 2: my god, of course this it's comfort food. And then

1463
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:40,720
Speaker 2: you're like, oh wow. If I give given the option nowadays,

1464
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 2: this would not be my thing.

1465
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 1: I understand. Yes, I think I think some music is

1466
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 1: like crystallized in amber. And I feel like, and look,

1467
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:49,720
Speaker 1: Blank's come out with a lot of a lot of

1468
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 1: new stuff. That's great, but I feel like the connective

1469
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 1: thing for our generation to Blank is like something that

1470
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 1: was in the past. And I feel like their commentary

1471
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 1: on the past is we it was a different time

1472
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 1: back then. I think. I don't know. I wasn't there.

1473
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:06,720
Speaker 1: I wasn't there for this this weekend. But that's the

1474
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:09,519
Speaker 1: beauty of Coachella is that there is this nice little

1475
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 1: panoply of of of musical acts there.

1476
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 2: And that's the thing I'm not defending is that was

1477
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:17,639
Speaker 2: like it was all ages. It was all different types

1478
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:19,640
Speaker 2: of people, all different genres of music. And that I

1479
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 2: think is a good and positive thing. Is it's like

1480
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 2: you could like float over here and see Christina and

1481
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 2: the Queens, and you could float over here and see

1482
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:29,479
Speaker 2: you know this and that and whatever. It's just like

1483
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 2: there was a lot of different communities there that added

1484
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:34,639
Speaker 2: up to one big community. It was just the Blink

1485
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 2: twent eighty two was giving a little Halloween horror nights

1486
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:41,719
Speaker 2: for me. It was giving a little you know, jump Scare,

1487
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:45,839
Speaker 2: straight man, jump scared, No problem, right, win scare Melanie

1488
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 2: though no, because her adrenale levels are low.

1489
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:52,640
Speaker 3: No, I have no adrenal function, so I wouldn't be like, ah,

1490
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 3: I would feel like it's creeping drate inside my.

1491
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:58,799
Speaker 2: Body and then you would use it in your next project.

1492
01:10:59,040 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 3: It does sound scared.

1493
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 2: It was scary and also like we were. The second

1494
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 2: we walked into Coachella, this straight guy kind of ambled

1495
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:08,080
Speaker 2: over a Dustin was like, you guys decided for Blank

1496
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 2: with any down and I was just like, oh no, no, no, no, no, no,

1497
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 2: no no no. I was like, oh, this is I'm

1498
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 2: trying to get to Muna. I was like, I was like,

1499
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:19,520
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get some Muna girl and You're like yeah.

1500
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 2: And he started singing the song and I was like, oh,

1501
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 2: maybe that's actually much better in theory than practice. The

1502
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 2: Blank twenty two show, and then I watched like a

1503
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:29,719
Speaker 2: live stream later or like the video from the live stream,

1504
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 2: and like just people moshing in the crowd.

1505
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 1: I don't want to be around any mashing.

1506
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:39,479
Speaker 2: I don't think so honey, mosh right right, very very

1507
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:41,719
Speaker 2: very Witstock ninety nine, Yeah, yeah.

1508
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm so happy to live in the now. Uh

1509
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:45,599
Speaker 1: bon Yang.

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01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 2: Are you excited about your atom? Think so honey?

1511
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:50,599
Speaker 1: In Gallanies, Yes, And I'm gonna actually do a last

1512
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:52,679
Speaker 1: minute pivot because I was gonna do it. I don't

1513
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 1: think so honey about how I wore a white button

1514
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:59,639
Speaker 1: down shirt this week and someone called it stealth wealth

1515
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 1: and I was like, no, this this was from Uni clone.

1516
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 1: It was thirty dollars whatever. People stealth wealth is like

1517
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 1: has just been kind of introduced into the cultural conversation

1518
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 1: and people are people are sort of misusing it.

1519
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 2: Can you define stealth wealth.

1520
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:16,720
Speaker 1: It's like logoless luxury clothing, which has you know, kind

1521
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:19,559
Speaker 1: of been popularized by succession. Let's say like these rich

1522
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:23,479
Speaker 1: people wear clothing that like the Row. It's the Row,

1523
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,559
Speaker 1: it's Max Maara, and it's like, you know, people said

1524
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 1: Gwyneth was wearing stealth wealth clothes at the during an

1525
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:35,479
Speaker 1: in court. So anyway, I wore white buttoned down shirt

1526
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 1: and some of someone's like, that's the little stealth wealthy.

1527
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, this is this is.

1528
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:41,040
Speaker 2: Feels like someone someone learned to term and wanted to

1529
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:43,200
Speaker 2: use it. That's what it feels like to me.

1530
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 1: But I have to I have something very relevant actually,

1531
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 1: and and I didn't and I totally forgot about this,

1532
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:49,599
Speaker 1: but I would love to talk about it relevant.

1533
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:52,479
Speaker 2: King Bow and Yang with his I don't think so, honey,

1534
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 2: on this week's episode, His time starts now.

1535
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, Oh the wicked stills that

1536
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:02,760
Speaker 1: are being shared are too dark in moody everybody. I

1537
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 1: promise you there will be light. The gaffers on this

1538
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 1: film are top notch. You will be able to see

1539
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 1: things when this movie comes out. Just you wait another

1540
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 1: eighteen months or so Thanksgiving twenty twenty four. You've got

1541
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 1: a long way to go. We don't. It's gonna be

1542
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 1: a marathon, not a sprint. So just like you know,

1543
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:22,679
Speaker 1: look at the picture, go that's nice, and move along.

1544
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 1: You don't have to pick it apart and say thirty seconds,

1545
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 1: oh god, this movie, this movie looks this, that or

1546
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 1: the other. And guess what. We're shooting the exteriors, So

1547
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 1: there are gonna be all these drones. First of all,

1548
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 1: I don't think somebody drones on film sets. Get those

1549
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:39,840
Speaker 1: drones away from these exteriors. We don't get these drones

1550
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 1: taking photos of There's nothing anyone can do about these

1551
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:46,400
Speaker 1: drones being flown into these exteriors, and it's kind of

1552
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 1: stressful and it feels just so invasive. I don't get

1553
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:52,560
Speaker 1: those drones out of there. Stop taking the pictures of

1554
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:54,679
Speaker 1: the Glinda dress and Munchkin Land. We don't need to

1555
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:55,639
Speaker 1: show that just yet.

1556
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 2: And that's one minute. So you're confirming that was a

1557
01:13:57,880 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 2: real picture.

1558
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 1: I am just confirming that there are drones that are

1559
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 1: taking photos of the set. Don't get me in trouble, Matt.

1560
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:05,559
Speaker 1: That is not well.

1561
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 2: I can't possibly get you in trouble for some of the.

1562
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 1: Say it you're you're saying, you're saying that there's a

1563
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 1: possibility it could be AI generated.

1564
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:15,760
Speaker 2: No get out, I think that. Well, I'll say this,

1565
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:17,680
Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of good deep fakes.

1566
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 1: No, that's not what's going on. You can clearly see

1567
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:25,320
Speaker 1: that that's Ariana Grande in a pink dress. No problem,

1568
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:29,519
Speaker 1: would be another blond woman. No, no, no, no, we're

1569
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:30,679
Speaker 1: not going to tell you that photo.

1570
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 2: You're confirming.

1571
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 1: All I'm saying is if a drone takes a photo

1572
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 1: of me this summer, I'm I'm bringing a gun to

1573
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 1: set and shooting it down. Okay, trust trust.

1574
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 2: Well that's another thing I'll let you just say on

1575
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:46,880
Speaker 2: the podcast so you can be responsible. I'm saying we'll

1576
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 2: bring gun to set. Well, I will say that I'm

1577
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:54,760
Speaker 2: of mixed minds about this because one, I don't think

1578
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:57,680
Speaker 2: we need the pictures this early. I just think, like,

1579
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 2: let's let's like, I just think we should wait, like

1580
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:04,680
Speaker 2: like we don't. It's the movie's not coming out for

1581
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 2: eighteen months, like we can wait.

1582
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 1: Well, same goes for these Gaga photos and Joker Fu

1583
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 1: lead did. It's like, this movie's not coming out for

1584
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:15,679
Speaker 1: another sixteen months, and we're all like, you know, so

1585
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 1: so grateful, mother, mother, mother, but like you now, just

1586
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 1: this is just mother, we say anyway.

1587
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 2: But I was excited about it. I was excited about

1588
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 2: the photos. I thought that they looked very wickedish. I thought,

1589
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 2: when I think, we get it in my head, I

1590
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 2: think exactly those pictures. I think, I think I saw

1591
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 2: Elpha but and Glinda in the photos, and I get it.

1592
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:36,679
Speaker 2: I think people are just on edge after the Game

1593
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 2: of Thrones of it all and the sort of we're

1594
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:42,720
Speaker 2: in sort of dark you know, cinematography times as of vight.

1595
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:45,320
Speaker 2: You never know, even the highest budget things sometimes end

1596
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:48,080
Speaker 2: up being dark. So people are just concerned things will.

1597
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 1: Be well lit. That's all I'm gonna say. That is

1598
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 1: my big spoiler from set.

1599
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:55,200
Speaker 2: That is directly from the set. Everyone stop panicking, stop worrying.

1600
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:58,600
Speaker 2: Bow and Yang, who who iconically plays Fanny in the

1601
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 2: film He is can we say.

1602
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 1: That, we can say that, and we can say that

1603
01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 1: the name is is so silly really plays in the UK,

1604
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:09,880
Speaker 1: people go, oh my god, Fanny, that's that's your name.

1605
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 1: Oh you know, They're like, it means pussy in British slang.

1606
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 1: Does it actually?

1607
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 3: Yes, Yeah, that's what we called Vagina's growing up. You're Fanny. Yeah,

1608
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:24,280
Speaker 3: that's so.

1609
01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:27,760
Speaker 2: Funny because in American culture, Fanny is booty.

1610
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:29,200
Speaker 3: I know, I know.

1611
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 2: Oh god.

1612
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:34,679
Speaker 3: When I heard about a fanny pack, I was like, oh.

1613
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:39,520
Speaker 1: What is that? I'm so confused.

1614
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, but someone explained it to me.

1615
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 2: Wow, okay, well hopefully explaining something about why she doesn't

1616
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 2: like something in culture. Now is Melanie Lynsky? Are you

1617
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 2: ready to do? I don't think so, Honey. This is

1618
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 2: a moment in time for anyone that comes on the pod.

1619
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 3: No, I know, and I'm not ready. I'm so nervous.

1620
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:02,639
Speaker 3: I don't recognize it. I think I have something, Okay,

1621
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:05,160
Speaker 3: the fist. The first thing that popped into my mind

1622
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 3: was like the general disrespect that people have for renee

1623
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:10,679
Speaker 3: Zo Wakers two Oscar Wins.

1624
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:14,400
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, well I was.

1625
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 3: Going to but then I was like, I don't know

1626
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:18,400
Speaker 3: if I could talk about this for a minute, and like,

1627
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:20,920
Speaker 3: is that how? I just feel like people don't respect

1628
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:22,600
Speaker 3: her enough. But but then I.

1629
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 1: Pivoted a minute. Let me tell you something.

1630
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:28,280
Speaker 2: First of all, let me just say right here on

1631
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:31,719
Speaker 2: this podcast, we have always respected Renees Elgger always and Bowen.

1632
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 2: I know, I had an HBO Max podcast where we

1633
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:36,280
Speaker 2: talked about movies and Bowen Yang came on a rene

1634
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 2: Es Elwigger themed episode, and we respect both those Oscar wins,

1635
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 2: even though I firmly believe the first one should have

1636
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 2: been for Chicago, and I think I do too. That's

1637
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 2: you know, that gets me in trouble with the Nicole Gays.

1638
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 2: But I believe the cole should have won the year

1639
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:55,320
Speaker 2: before from one rush and so that's the great and

1640
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 2: I believe we're all kind of a kurf fluffel there,

1641
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:02,799
Speaker 2: but you know, we respect Renees as having two wins,

1642
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:03,680
Speaker 2: no matter what they're for.

1643
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:07,560
Speaker 3: I mean, I think both those performances are iconic. But

1644
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 3: then I thought about something else that impacts my daily

1645
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:14,120
Speaker 3: life that I would talk about. Okay, for a minute,

1646
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 3: It's maybe not as fun, it's more of a PSA.

1647
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:21,880
Speaker 2: No we need the PSA. Melanie lives. I don't think so, honey.

1648
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:23,680
Speaker 2: Her time starts now.

1649
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:27,240
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't think so honey. Gum chewing. I'm sorry,

1650
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:27,680
Speaker 3: I have.

1651
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 1: A condition.

1652
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:33,600
Speaker 3: I cannot stand it. Like people come up to me

1653
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 3: smacking their gum and trying to have a conversation. I

1654
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 3: cannot hear a word you're saying. I'm floating up to

1655
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:42,240
Speaker 3: the ceiling. It creates in the brain of somebody who

1656
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:46,200
Speaker 3: has misophonia. It goes directly to your fight or flight response,

1657
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 3: so you want to run away or punch somebody. And

1658
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:52,040
Speaker 3: I can't punch anybody. So I'm just sitting there waiting

1659
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:55,120
Speaker 3: for my moment to leave, and in a full panic

1660
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 3: like it puts me. I saw somebody the other day

1661
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:00,599
Speaker 3: in event. It was really wonderful see him. I hadn't

1662
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 3: seen him for a long time. A woman came up

1663
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:05,200
Speaker 3: and stood next to him smacking away at gum, and

1664
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 3: I was like, now, I don't know, I don't know

1665
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:08,960
Speaker 3: what he talked to me about. I don't know she

1666
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:11,920
Speaker 3: talked to me about. And I should have like a

1667
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 3: little thing where I'm just like, I'm so sorry I

1668
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 3: have a condition. But then people also don't really take

1669
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:19,679
Speaker 3: the condition seriously, and they kind of rolled their eyes

1670
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 3: and they're like, oh, you're sensitive, you're sensitive, but it's

1671
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 3: like an actual real thing. And I wish we could

1672
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:25,160
Speaker 3: band gum.

1673
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:29,040
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I don't think so, honey, gum chewing

1674
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:32,840
Speaker 2: And that's one minute. Wow, this is now that you've

1675
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 2: put a face to this affliction. You've put a face

1676
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 2: into two things today, low adrenal function and misophony. And

1677
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 2: misophonia and those two things combined must be really hard

1678
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 2: because you've expressed wanting to punch someone chewing around you,

1679
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:47,640
Speaker 2: but like you can't work up the adrenaline to do that.

1680
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:50,400
Speaker 3: I don't have the energy to punch anymore, or the

1681
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:53,760
Speaker 3: or the anes.

1682
01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:57,599
Speaker 1: The stimulus doesn't the stimulus can't land anywhere. It goes

1683
01:19:57,640 --> 01:19:58,120
Speaker 1: into the door.

1684
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:00,840
Speaker 3: I just leave, like I just go, like I just

1685
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 3: have to kind of like take myself elsewhere. But people

1686
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:07,920
Speaker 3: do it like it's like a personality trait, like we

1687
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 3: do it with so much like vigor. Yeah, and it's

1688
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:14,719
Speaker 3: like it makes me it's so crazy.

1689
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:16,080
Speaker 2: And you don't chew.

1690
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:18,160
Speaker 3: Gum no, or if I do, I do it with

1691
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:19,760
Speaker 3: my mouth closed like a.

1692
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 1: Sure sure, like a human being Melanie and I got

1693
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:26,360
Speaker 1: a lot of flak one time for an episode. Don't

1694
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:28,679
Speaker 1: listen to this. It's the second episode of the three

1695
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:32,280
Speaker 1: Hundred Great Songs, the Great Global Songbook. We had lunch delivered.

1696
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:34,160
Speaker 1: It was a six hour long recording session. We had

1697
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 1: lunch delivered in the middle of it, and we unfortunately

1698
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:40,599
Speaker 1: we ate during the recording and he is chewing and

1699
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 1: people with mstphonia, who the readers, the katies with mistophonia

1700
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:46,720
Speaker 1: really really where ups that? And we're we apologize to

1701
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:50,519
Speaker 1: everyone for for that, for that moment, we really really

1702
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:51,439
Speaker 1: feel this morning.

1703
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:54,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't actually was about to listen to those episodes.

1704
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:57,080
Speaker 1: No, no, listen to the first in the last one,

1705
01:20:57,080 --> 01:20:58,080
Speaker 1: but but not the second one.

1706
01:20:58,120 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, good?

1707
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:01,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, or you know what, give it a shot and

1708
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:04,160
Speaker 2: maybe you'll come around. Maybe maybe you'll be like, you

1709
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:06,200
Speaker 2: know what, with these guys, I actually can listen to

1710
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:06,599
Speaker 2: them too.

1711
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 3: I I can't listen to anybody. There was a time

1712
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:13,439
Speaker 3: I was with my sister and my husband and he

1713
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 3: ran into like a group of old friends, and my

1714
01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:19,679
Speaker 3: sister and I both just stood completely still the whole time,

1715
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:22,440
Speaker 3: and then when the friends had left, we like collapsed

1716
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:24,920
Speaker 3: we were like in such a panic. We were like

1717
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 3: giggling and screaming. And my husband was like, what happened?

1718
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:31,080
Speaker 3: And we were like the gum, the gum, and she

1719
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:34,920
Speaker 3: said who had gum? My sister was like, I don't

1720
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 3: even notice that who had gum? Like imagine thinking who

1721
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:39,760
Speaker 3: had gum?

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01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:43,320
Speaker 2: So this is a family it's a family disorder of

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01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:44,719
Speaker 2: the misophonia.

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01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:49,400
Speaker 3: Genetic genetic thing I've heard. Yeah, my dad has it

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01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:50,320
Speaker 3: in my siblings.

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01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:53,400
Speaker 2: We now know, we now know, and we will do

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01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 2: better in the het ture. I mean sometimes the thing

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01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:57,280
Speaker 2: is we do get so hungry that we must eat,

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01:21:57,360 --> 01:22:00,200
Speaker 2: but not on mic not anymore. And our mark he's

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01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:02,439
Speaker 2: out there with miscephonia. We see you, we hear you,

1731
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:04,759
Speaker 2: we respect you, we love you, and we will do better.

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01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:06,799
Speaker 3: Oh that's so lovely.

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01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:09,960
Speaker 1: You have a leader in Melanie Lynsk. You know, thank you.

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01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:14,120
Speaker 2: Number one on the misceiphonia call sheet. I'll take it

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01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 2: that a leader in this industry. Okay, So Yellow Jackets?

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01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:21,240
Speaker 2: Is it out on? Is it out on? Showtime? On

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01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:23,600
Speaker 2: Fridays and air Sundays? I love the when they do

1738
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 2: this iconic things show Time. Love of streaming and linear.

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01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 3: You love it. It's confusing for me. I don't know

1740
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:33,160
Speaker 3: when to tell people. It's just like it's out on

1741
01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 3: the weekend.

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01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:36,880
Speaker 2: It's out on the weekend. You can watch it anytime.

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01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:40,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it'll definitely be out by Monday.

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01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, but I think you're streaming on Friday

1745
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:46,360
Speaker 3: and then airing on Sunday.

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01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 2: Yes, all right, perfect, Well we are I mean, bowen,

1747
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:52,800
Speaker 2: let me come on. How do we even express what

1748
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:55,320
Speaker 2: huge fans we are. We just believe you're one of

1749
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:57,639
Speaker 2: the greatest out there, and we know you absolutely hate compliments,

1750
01:22:57,680 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 2: but we're not actually working with you right now, or

1751
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 2: actually we're actually a business professional. You're just the greatest

1752
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:07,200
Speaker 2: and we're so we were so excited when you wanted

1753
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 2: to come on, and this is just the coolest.

1754
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:12,760
Speaker 3: Well, thank you for indulging my dream of being on

1755
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 3: Less Culturistas. I love you both so much. You're both

1756
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:19,680
Speaker 3: so so, so talented in so many different ways. I

1757
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:23,280
Speaker 3: just like this podcast has brought me so much joy.

1758
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:25,599
Speaker 3: Both of your acting has brought me so much joy.

1759
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 3: You as human beings bring me joy like this is

1760
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:32,040
Speaker 3: really like a wonderful, wonderful experience. Thank you for putting

1761
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 3: up with my technical issues and my weird sinuses and

1762
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 3: my low adrenal function which is always Melanie.

1763
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 1: This was You are like our Steven Soderberg. We had

1764
01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:47,840
Speaker 1: the highest expectations and you you surpassed all of them.

1765
01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming.

1766
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:51,559
Speaker 3: On, thank you for having me.

1767
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:55,639
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, a moment in time, and Bow and Yang.

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01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:58,719
Speaker 2: We end every episode with the song oh.

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01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:08,200
Speaker 1: The all Things True care Trueing iye one last, You're right,

1770
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:09,759
Speaker 1: that's tripe.

1771
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:13,719
Speaker 2: And if you feel like being triggered or not, listen

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01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:17,880
Speaker 2: to blank one A two on all streaming platforms.

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01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:19,719
Speaker 1: Bye Bye,