1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio. 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:09,319 Speaker 2: Welcome man, everybody, Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday Er 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 2: Tourris Jason Martin. We are broadcasting live from the tirereck 4 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 2: dot Com studios. Tyreck dot com. We'll help you get there. 5 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 2: An unmatched election, fast free shipping, free road hazard protection, 6 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 2: and over ten thousand recommended installers tirerec dot Com The 7 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 2: way tire buying should be Jason Martin. A lot going 8 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 2: on this week in sports. I open every week this 9 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 2: is the slow time, but it's not really slow, and 10 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 2: every single week it's like, you know, how about this? 11 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 2: Chris Paul's been on two different teams since we were 12 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 2: last on air. Last Saturday, Draft happened, Bradley Beal happened 13 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 2: probably twelve hours after we got off air. Obviously some 14 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 2: NFL stories. So for a Saturday in June, we are 15 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 2: going to have plenty to talk about. 16 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 3: How are you doing tonight? My friend? 17 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 4: Pretty good? Pretty good? Can't complain, And yeah, you're right, 18 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 4: there is a lot going on. I've got the College 19 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 4: World Series Finals on and looks like, well we're already 20 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 4: an extra ending. As a matter of fact, last time 21 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 4: I looked up it was a ninth, but I got 22 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 4: a two year old, so I missed a little bit 23 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 4: of space there at some point during the evening. But yeah, 24 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 4: I mean there's there's a good bit of stuff going on. 25 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 4: There's a lot of stories, and certainly, you as usual, 26 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 4: as we found out, especially in basketball and in the NFL, 27 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 4: the off season sometimes is more it's more interesting than 28 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 4: what you're actually getting on the floor in the NBA 29 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 4: over the last few years, and I think this week, 30 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 4: for better or worse, I don't know that the draft 31 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 4: as a whole was particularly interesting, but certainly there are 32 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 4: a couple of key storylines out of it that are 33 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 4: hugely relevant. And then just the movement of some big 34 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 4: time stars and what that could mean. Again, that just 35 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 4: keeps the NBA in the news, even though right now 36 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 4: should really be baseball's time. 37 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting. 38 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 2: I know obviously, you know, guys and girls in our business, 39 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 2: you circle July one on the calendar. That's when the 40 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 2: NBA free agency period traditionally starts, and that's usually where 41 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 2: there's some moving and shaking, and through the years that's 42 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 2: been a really busy time. This year, it feels like 43 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 2: the big names are moving now via trade obviously, you know, 44 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 2: we signed off last week talking about Bradley Beal. It 45 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 2: seemed to be down to two teams, and obviously that 46 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 2: has had a trickle down effect. So we're gonna discuss 47 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 2: that throughout the show. Damian Lillard, it's it's I don't 48 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 2: totally know what to make of the story. You know, 49 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 2: does he really want to go? Does he really want 50 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: to stay? The Blazer's draft, Scoot Henderson, what does it mean. 51 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 2: We're gonna discuss that momentarily, but I mentioned Scoot Henderson. 52 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 2: He went number three overall to Portland, and that was 53 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 2: on Thursday night the NBA Draft went down, and of 54 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 2: course the big news at the top of the draft, 55 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 2: to the surprise of literally No. One, Victor win Banyama 56 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 2: ends up going first overall, the seven foot five center 57 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 2: from France. Basically since they've been charting the twenty twenty 58 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 2: three NBA Draft, he has been projected as the number 59 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 2: one overall pick, and Jason, I don't think we need 60 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 2: to breakdown who he is or what he does or whatever, 61 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 2: but I. 62 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 3: Will say it's led to a very. 63 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 2: Interesting, I think, just news cycle about Victor Win Baniyama. 64 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 3: He officially goes number one, But even before. 65 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 2: That, you had people, you know, Adrian Wojanowski said he's 66 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 2: the greatest prospect in the history of American team sports. 67 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 2: Our colleague Chris Bussard said something to the effect of, 68 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 2: you know, a combination of Kevin Durant and Anthony Davis. 69 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 2: If he has those types of careers, it would be 70 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 2: a disappointment. And I understand what Chris is saying, because 71 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 2: because when you come in with the hype being just 72 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 2: a really really good player, you know, a seven eight 73 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 2: time All Star isn't enough relative to the hype. So 74 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 2: I bring it up to say, there's been a lot 75 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 2: of conversation about this guy, even dating back to before 76 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 2: he got drafted, before it became official, to Thursday night. 77 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 2: What have you made over the last not just last 78 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 2: couple of days, but really the last couple of weeks 79 00:03:58,320 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 2: of this Victor win Baniyama new cycle. 80 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 4: I'm just frustrated with it. I want to see him 81 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 4: play basketball, and I also want some of the people 82 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 4: that are commenting in our industry to watch him play 83 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 4: basketball before they continue commenting. I don't think I just 84 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 4: don't believe that a lot of the individuals that have 85 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 4: had blistering takes on Wemby. Have seen much of Wemby, 86 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 4: we all haven't. I mean, what do we know. We 87 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 4: don't have to tell you what he is. I can 88 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 4: just say he's, you know, seven four or seven five 89 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 4: and pretty thin, and that always worries me a little bit. 90 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 4: But it was interesting to me that over the past 91 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 4: few months it was just showers of praise for this guy, 92 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 4: and then this week it seemed like it became the 93 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 4: trendy thing to do for certain people in media to 94 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 4: start going after him, to start leveling all sorts of 95 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 4: things about how he's going to fail, expectations, and how 96 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 4: they're tired of the You guys created the hype. You 97 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 4: created the hype, you got interest in whatever you were doing, 98 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 4: and now you're going the opposite way so that you 99 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 4: can do the exact same thing. I want to watch 100 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 4: the guy play, and I hope he's as good as advertised. 101 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,119 Speaker 4: I really do, because it's gonna be great for sports, 102 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 4: gonna be great for what we do, it's gonna be 103 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 4: great for NBA fans and basketball fans and sports fans worldwide. 104 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 4: Nobody wants to see him fail, at least I would 105 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 4: hope not but the news cycle switching from always gonna 106 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 4: be the greatest thing in the history of the world 107 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 4: to I wish people would stop talking about this guy. 108 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 4: The hype is too much and it's like you are 109 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 4: that cycle. I'm not talking about you specifically, Aaron, I'm 110 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 4: talking about people in our industry, and that is frustrating, 111 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 4: because again, I don't think that many of the folks 112 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 4: that I've seen talking about this are as educated as 113 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 4: they would like you to believe. 114 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, really quick, one minor, minor update in sports, Dodgers 115 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 2: hosting the Astros. Of course, we know the history between 116 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 2: those two organizations from the World Series a few years ago. 117 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 2: Dodgers do tonight at Dodger Stadium eight to seven. 118 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 3: Back to Wemby. 119 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 2: First of all, I agree, right, and it is wild 120 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 2: like and I get that any of these guys, I 121 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 2: mean at a much smaller scale. I remember the Luca conversation, right, 122 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 2: It was like, well, Luca won this MVP and he 123 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 2: scored this many points, but you know how good is 124 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 2: he and he doesn't look very athletic, and what does 125 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 2: it all mean? So I get your point. I guess 126 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 2: you know. I'll be honest, I don't really fundamentally have 127 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 2: an issue because, like with the coverage in general, just 128 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 2: from this perspective, is I think that the let me 129 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 2: say this, I don't think the pushback this week bothered me. 130 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 2: I think what bothered me is exactly what you said 131 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 2: is you had people that had never seen him play 132 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 2: that needed something to talk about when the Spurs get 133 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 2: the number one overall pick, and it did feel like 134 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 2: this happens in sports, but unfortunately this is the reality. 135 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 2: It just felt like a rush to everybody had to 136 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 2: have the biggest, boldest, strongest opinion on this guy. And again, 137 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 2: the best prospect since Lebron, the best, the most hyped 138 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 2: prospects since Lebron. He you know this that The other thing, 139 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 2: and it's just like I'm with you is is one, 140 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 2: the new cycle is exhausting. But then two, I also 141 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 2: I don't know, like maybe I don't know, I just 142 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 2: I look at it and I just sit there and say, like, 143 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 2: it just feels like why can't we like every prospect 144 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 2: has to be compared to the greatest player at their 145 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 2: position of all time, this guy that, And it's just 146 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 2: I don't know, It's just something has fundamentally bothered me 147 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 2: about the entire coverage of this kid. It's not his 148 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 2: own fault. I understand we've never really seen anyone with 149 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 2: his size and his skill set. But also, let's be honest. 150 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 2: I again, nobody wants him to fail. But Guys don't 151 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 2: live up to the hype. Guys unfortunately, especially his size, 152 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 2: get injured. 153 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 3: Guys do this, Guys do that. 154 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 2: And I know that it's boring radio, boring, TV, boring 155 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 2: talk shows to say like, I'm not willing to go there, 156 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 2: But I can say, as a consumer of basketball, I'm 157 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 2: not willing to go there. Like you said, I've seen 158 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 2: four or five highlights. He played two games stateside that 159 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 2: were broadcast. I kind of had him on the background 160 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 2: last summer. I haven't seen enough of this guy to 161 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 2: say what he can be, what he will be, what 162 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 2: he is, and what he that. And so I do 163 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 2: think the coverage has just bothered me of It has 164 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 2: felt like once it became established he's the number one pick, 165 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 2: and then once it becomes established that we've never really 166 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 2: seen a prospect quite like him, it then becomes the 167 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 2: race to have the biggest, boldest, strongest, craziest opinion. And 168 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 2: it's like, I'm not saying you can't have any opinion 169 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 2: at all. But Lana know, it's just the whole thing 170 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 2: has just kind of weirded me out and kind of 171 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 2: annoyed me, to be perfectly honest. 172 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think I think those are all 173 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 4: exactly kind of the same feelings that I have had. 174 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 4: I would add to it this, there's something that gets 175 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 4: lost in this news cycle and this rush to have 176 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 4: an opinion on something that none of us really should yet, 177 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 4: because we need to see him in an NBA uniform 178 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 4: against other NBA players before we can evaluate what he's 179 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 4: going to be on the NBA level. We're all rooting 180 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 4: for him, but we don't know. But the thing that 181 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:12,959 Speaker 4: is lost in all of this is that this is 182 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 4: a human being. It's a young guy who you're placing 183 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 4: enormous pressure on him before he gets here. And I 184 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 4: understand if you're number one, with great power comes great responsibility, 185 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 4: but all of this just feels very unfair to him, Like, 186 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 4: let's not compare him to Lebron, Let's not compare him 187 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 4: to Giannis, Let's not compare him to Jordan, Let's not 188 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 4: compare him to people. Let's just let him go be 189 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 4: vic first and let's then then we can have whatever 190 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 4: conversation you want to have in a few years down 191 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 4: the road. I don't know when, and maybe it's been 192 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 4: this way for a long time, but I don't know 193 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 4: who is ultimately to blame for it. Initially, something switched 194 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 4: at some point to the conversation you just talked about, 195 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 4: where it is always pitting this person against history and 196 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 4: we disagree. Last week you and I did on Jokic, 197 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 4: where I thought it was okay to have that conversation 198 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 4: about Jokic, And one of the reasons why is because 199 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 4: it happens all the time. But I don't know when 200 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 4: it shifted the debate culture on TV, when it changed, 201 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 4: when it wasn't as much the sports centers and the 202 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 4: baseball tonight and instead it became here's one pundit on 203 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 4: one side of the table, and here's one pundit on 204 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 4: the other side of the table, and we've had a 205 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 4: meeting before the show and dictated who's gonna have what position. 206 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 4: We're gonna go out there and we're gonna talk for 207 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 4: twenty and twenty five minutes, and it becomes more entertainment 208 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 4: than information or actual opinion. But I don't think that 209 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 4: it's fair. I don't think it does him any favors. 210 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 4: I mean, he's not entitled necessarily to fairness, but the 211 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 4: way he's being covered is just setting him up and 212 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 4: if he lives up to it, my goodness. Because as 213 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 4: you mentioned some of the comments, some of the commentary 214 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 4: on the real positive side, it's insane to say an 215 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 4: eight time All Star would be a failure year. Yep, 216 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 4: that's just dumb, like that's that's preposterous. 217 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 2: And so like, let me give you an example, because 218 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 2: I was saying about this WOJ, and I don't know Woj, 219 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 2: and I'm not criticizing him, but he did say this. 220 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 2: He said he is the greatest prospect in American team 221 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 2: sports history. Now I get, on the one hand, prospect 222 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 2: is a loaded word, and prospect just means, you know, 223 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 2: he has the prospect of being an all time great. 224 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 2: But essentially what you just told me Woj was if 225 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 2: you believe he is the greatest prospect that the NBA 226 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 2: has ever seen. 227 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 3: Lebron James just set the all time scoring record. 228 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 2: Are you saying if he doesn't break Lebron James all 229 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 2: time scoring record that he has not lived. 230 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 3: Up to the hype? 231 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 2: Like and that's where you know again you can I 232 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 2: think there's a difference, And now that we're talking it out, 233 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 2: I think I'm starting to kind of, you know, compartmentalize 234 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 2: my thoughts here. There's a difference between saying this, Jason, 235 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 2: and then what we have heard for the last couple 236 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 2: of months. There's a difference between me or you, or 237 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 2: Colin Cowherd or Doug Gottlieb or Skip you know, Skip 238 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 2: Bayless who going on air and saying, we have never 239 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 2: seen a guy his size, with his skill set, and 240 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 2: if it all clicks and it all comes together, he 241 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,719 Speaker 2: is a prospect unlike anything we have ever seen. There 242 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 2: is a difference between saying that versus some of the 243 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 2: other stuff that has been said. And I'm not criticizing 244 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 2: anyone in specific, but in terms of the he could 245 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 2: go down as an all time great. He's the greatest 246 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 2: prospect that's ever lived. He's this, He's that, he's whatever. 247 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 2: You can contextualize that. He is a totally unique prospect 248 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 2: unto himself and if it all comes together perfectly, my goodness, 249 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 2: we are seeing a basketball cyborg the likes of which 250 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 2: we've never seen. You can do all that without I 251 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 2: guess placing like kind of that negative, pseudo negative connotation 252 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 2: that comes on the back end of greatest prospect ever, 253 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 2: which kind of implies that if he doesn't go down 254 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 2: as you know, those that short, short, short list of 255 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 2: all time greats, and he's a failure. I hope that 256 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 2: made sense, But I think there's a way to say 257 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 2: this guy has some stuff that we've never seen without 258 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 2: to your point, putting just these absurd, completely unrealistic expectations 259 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 2: on him. 260 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, and then to say it the way that you 261 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 4: quoted wog saying it. For example, he's covered like Woje's 262 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 4: covered because the way he says it, he's saying he 263 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 4: could be the greatest prospect of all time. If he fails, 264 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 4: that's on Wemby. That's not on Wojes for saying something. 265 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 4: He's not going to be held accountable for that comment. 266 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 4: Those in the media that are saying hyperbolic stuff in 267 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 4: either direction about this guy are not going to be 268 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 4: called to account at any point for it. It'll be 269 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 4: forgotten like everything else. But just wait and if he 270 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 4: doesn't fulfill those high expectations, that will be shouted from 271 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 4: the rooftops. As I told you, so moment, and that's like, 272 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 4: that's just the function of this industry. It's a function 273 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 4: of what we do, I understand, and we fall into 274 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 4: that trap just as often. But in this case, I 275 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 4: don't have a bold take on him other than from 276 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 4: what I've heard. I can understand why he went number one. 277 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 4: I can understand why Greg Popovich would be excited about this. 278 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 4: I want to actually see him play in the NBA. 279 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 4: I want to see it. And I saw the odds 280 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 4: for Rookie of the Year and all of these things. 281 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 4: I just I need to see it before I'm going 282 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 4: to have an opinion on it. There's no point in 283 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 4: me just throwing out a bunch of big time descriptors, 284 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 4: big time terminology, historical references and all this stuff. No, 285 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 4: he's tall, he seems to be talented. The NBA scouts 286 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 4: drool over him. Now let's see him actually play basketball. 287 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 4: That's the take, and I wish him well. 288 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Radio Aeron Tors Jason Martin broadcasting 289 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 2: live from the Tirec dot Com studios, and we are 290 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 2: brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Progressive makes bundling easy 291 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 2: and affordable. 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At the end of your first year, 318 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 2: Discover credit cards automatically double all the credit cash back 319 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 2: you've earned. That's right, everything you've earned doubled. Seriously see 320 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 2: terms of check it out for yourself at discover dot com. 321 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 2: Slash match, do you have a little update in the 322 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 2: college baseball game? It is a best of three final 323 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 2: between Florida and LSU. LSU with a solo home run 324 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 2: in the top of the eleventh to give the Tigers 325 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 2: a one run lead over Florida. Two outs Florida, of course, 326 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 2: we'll beat in the bottom half of the inning. We'll 327 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 2: keep you updated on that. To Saga, We'll be back 328 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 2: in just a few minutes to get you updated on 329 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 2: all things that happen in sports today. 330 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 4: He crushed that thing too, he sure did. And during 331 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 4: the break, actually Florida had runners on and boy, the 332 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 4: guy that's gonna be a top five pick in the 333 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:09,479 Speaker 4: MLB draft hit a laser shot and there was a 334 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 4: leaping catch made in the outfield and a big time 335 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 4: throw to save a run. So LSU basically stayed alive 336 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 4: with an incredible defensive play. Then came back out and 337 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 4: their leadoff batter in the eleventh hit one three hundred 338 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 4: and ninety three feet. 339 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 3: Look at you, you had all you had the hole 340 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 3: scoop right there. 341 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 4: I was watching, man. You know, we've talked about this 342 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 4: before on and off air. Like college baseball, especially when 343 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 4: you get to the College World Series, it's a lot 344 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 4: of fun and these guys care like big time and 345 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 4: that's fun to watch. 346 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I tweeted right before he came on, areas like 347 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 2: every game is insane. Obviously, the LSU Wake four semi 348 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 2: final went to extras at zero zero. LSU advances. Now 349 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 2: they have a lead in the top of the eleventh, 350 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 2: four to three. Again, we'll keep you updated on that 351 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 2: one as it goes final. 352 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 4: Apparently. 353 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 2: By the way, Jason just tweeted in that the Angels 354 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 2: scored thirteen in an inning today. I did not see that. 355 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 2: I don't know if it just happened or if it 356 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 2: happened earlier. 357 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 4: In the day. It's happening right now. 358 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 3: It looks like it is happening right now. 359 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 2: I'm getting the thumbs up nod from the Sager, so 360 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 2: he'll have you updated on that as well. Jason, let's 361 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 2: get back to the NBA Draft for a minute. You know, 362 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 2: I was actually, as I was prepping for the show, 363 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 2: kind of going through what some of the other guys 364 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 2: on the network have said over the last couple of days, 365 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 2: and I saw Doug Gottlieb had an interesting segment on 366 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 2: our airwaves last it was obviously yesterday, it was Friday, 367 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 2: talking about the NBA Draft just completely losing its luster. 368 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 2: And I don't want to put words in Doug's mouth. 369 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 2: If you can listen to the segment, it's available on 370 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 2: podcast the Fox Sports Radio YouTube page. But I'll tell 371 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 2: you this, Jason. You know I love college basketball. Obviously 372 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 2: it goes without saying, and I will take it a 373 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 2: step further. I mean, I think just because of my 374 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 2: background and what I cover and how I do things, 375 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 2: I would say I I'm not trying to sound arrogant. 376 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 2: I don't know if this is an arrogant thing to say, 377 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 2: but I probably no more more than like ninety eight 378 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 2: percent of people that are watching the NBA Draft NET 379 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 2: non an arrogance thing, just just kind of a fact. 380 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 2: I found the draft to be insanely boring this year, Jason, 381 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 2: and I don't know if I think it's a few factors. 382 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 2: I do think there is something to listen. I don't 383 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 2: blame any high school player for choosing an alternative path 384 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 2: to college basketball. If you don't want to go to college, 385 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 2: I'm not going to be here to judge, especially when 386 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 2: you can make real money you can focus on basketball. 387 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 3: The one and done rules. 388 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 2: Of course, an NBA rule keeping players out of the 389 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 2: NBA for a year remove from high school. So I'm 390 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 2: not gonna blame somebody if they choose an alternate pathway. 391 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 2: Scoot Henderson went to G League Ignite for two seasons. 392 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 2: The Thompson Twins went to the Overtime Elite program. 393 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 3: But what was it? 394 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 2: Four of the top five players that were drafted did 395 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 2: not play college basketball, and then even the ones that 396 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 2: did play college basketball. I mean, you had Taylor Hendricks 397 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 2: from Central Florida goes in the top ten. You know, 398 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 2: you go on and on down the list, a different 399 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,360 Speaker 2: guy from different schools that aren't necessarily in the spotlight, 400 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 2: Jarris Walker from Houston. I know they were a number 401 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 2: one seed, but not a team that was necessarily on 402 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 2: air a ton during the season. Do you get the sense, 403 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 2: and tell me if I'm crazy, but do you get 404 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,239 Speaker 2: the sense that this draft has kind of lost some 405 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 2: of its appeal? Because I just I don't remember. The 406 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 2: wen Banyama stuff was kind of a thing unto itself. 407 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 2: It just felt like there was no juice at all 408 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,959 Speaker 2: in this event outside of the wem Banyama stuff. 409 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean absolutely, I can tell you just how 410 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 4: little juice there was. I didn't even tune in, like 411 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,679 Speaker 4: at any point, I didn't watch a single second in 412 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 4: the NBA draft. That's never happened before. I knew what 413 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 4: was gonna happen at number one, and I also knew 414 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 4: I could go to a website once an hour and 415 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 4: just see who had been picked. But I didn't have 416 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 4: to plan my night around it. I didn't have to 417 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 4: devote any time to it at all. And your point 418 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 4: that you were just making about the high school kids, 419 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:58,199 Speaker 4: it's a big deal. And I in preparation for this topic, 420 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:02,199 Speaker 4: I have the mock draft according to Jonathan Cavoni and 421 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 4: those guys over to ESPN for next year, and the 422 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 4: top three guys are not playing college basketball. You got 423 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 4: the top two guys or G League night, and then 424 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 4: there's an overseas player, and then you get to Isaiah 425 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 4: Collier at USC at number four. That's the kind of 426 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 4: thing we're talking about. Like Ron Hollen might be great, 427 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 4: montas Spouseelis might be great. I don't know. I can't 428 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 4: tell you a thing about any of them outside of 429 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 4: just a few articles that I've then gone, Okay, who 430 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 4: is this guy? I'll go look him up. But that's 431 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 4: because I kind of do this for a living on 432 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 4: the weekends, and so I want to know a little 433 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 4: bit and I'm interested, but by and large, most people aren't. 434 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 4: And I don't need to tune into a draft to 435 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 4: see an obvious number one pick go number one, Like 436 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 4: there's no particular excitement in that. But that's the biggest 437 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 4: problem for the NBA draft is college basketball. And you 438 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 4: please correct me if I'm wrong on this. College basketball 439 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:02,719 Speaker 4: has become a front of the jersey sport entirely because 440 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 4: we just don't know these guys because they don't stick 441 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 4: around or they don't go there at all. If you're 442 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 4: a Kentucky fan, you're a dagone Kentucky fan, you're not 443 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 4: a fan of fifteen guys on that roster. You don't 444 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,360 Speaker 4: get to know them long enough to even care. And 445 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 4: more than that, if you're just a fan nationally and 446 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 4: you tune into the big Dance, you tune into the 447 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 4: conference cerment or whatever. I bet you can't name ten 448 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,360 Speaker 4: college basketball players. If I said name one from various 449 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 4: teams instead of name five Yukon players, Aaron, you could 450 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,959 Speaker 4: do it, certainly, But like if I was just asking 451 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 4: a college basketball fan, generally, I just don't think that 452 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 4: the name recognition is the same. I mean, I'm, you know, 453 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 4: forty four right now, and I grew up on Tobacco Road, 454 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 4: But I used to know thirty five picks in every 455 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 4: NBA draft, and now I'm lucky if I care about five. 456 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 4: And that's just I don't know what you're supposed to 457 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 4: do about that if you're the NBA, because as long 458 00:22:58,240 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 4: as you have the one and done, you're gonna have 459 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 4: this problem. But the biggest thing is, back in the 460 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 4: day when you first had the one and done, we 461 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 4: all knew who those dudes were too, And the guys 462 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 4: that went straight out of high school, we knew who 463 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,239 Speaker 4: Kobe was. We knew who KG was, we knew who 464 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 4: Lebron was. We had seen these guys, we had read articles. 465 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 4: They'd been on the front of Sports Illustrated. It had 466 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,120 Speaker 4: been a big deal, and that's when Sports Illustrated itself 467 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 4: was still a big deal. Now these names are just names. 468 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 4: It's like watching the NHL Draft, like they might be great, 469 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 4: but I have no reason to care, Like I have 470 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 4: nothing invested in this at all. Let me go find 471 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 4: the thunder and find out who they picked. That's literally 472 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 4: what I did. I knew who was going on. I 473 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 4: wanted to see where Scoot ended up and where Brandon 474 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 4: Miller ended up. And even if I had done that live, 475 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 4: I'd have been out on the draft in twenty minutes. 476 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you what you mentioned. 477 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 2: Something I find very interesting you said is college basketball 478 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 2: now a front of the Jersey sport. I think there's 479 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 2: something to it. I think there's something even deeper, and 480 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 2: I want to discuss that next. Before we do, let's 481 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 2: toss it over the news desk first time this evening. 482 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 2: Steve de Sagar, what is trying to. 483 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 6: Hello, gentlemen, The Angels League going to the fourth inning, 484 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 6: fifteen to nothing at Colorado, who The thirteen runs they 485 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 6: scored in the top of the third included four home runs, 486 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 6: three homers on three straight pitches. This ties an Angel 487 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 6: franchise record thirteen runs in a single inning. Apparently the 488 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 6: nineteen seventy eight Angels once scored thirteen in the ninth 489 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 6: at Texas. In a game anyway, Mike Trout did have 490 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 6: one of those Halo homers, but all four of those 491 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 6: long balls in the frame went about four hundred feet 492 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 6: or more. The other late game, National still leading at 493 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 6: San Diego two nothing bottom of the seventh, Padres record 494 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 6: thirty seven and thirty nine. A wild game at Dodger 495 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 6: Stadium on Fox TV tonight, LA comes back to beat Houston. 496 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 6: Dodgers were down seven to three and the seventh and 497 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 6: then got a two run homer bottom of the seventh 498 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 6: and scored three times bottom of the eighth to win 499 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 6: eight to seven, and the game winning run scored on 500 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 6: a back in the eighth. Dodgers only had five hit 501 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 6: and they won an eight to seven decision. Kansas City 502 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 6: and Detroit with wins, White Sox in Cleveland with wins. 503 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 6: Atlanta ended Cincinnati's twelve game winning streak. Seven to six, 504 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 6: Travis Darnaut four hits, including a home run. How superb 505 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 6: have the Braves been recently? While the Reds ended a 506 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 6: Braves eight game winning streak just last night and it 507 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 6: took an eleven to ten final to do. 508 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 3: It, Stats Inc. 509 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 6: Says the Braves offense just in the last ten games 510 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 6: over eighty runs, well over one hundred hits, almost thirty 511 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,959 Speaker 6: homers in the last ten games for Atlanta, plus eleven 512 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 6: stolen bases. In MLB history, no other team has put 513 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 6: up all of those numbers over any ten game span. 514 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 6: If Atlanta wins tomorrow, the Braves record will be fifty 515 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 6: and twenty seven and Keison Mets each one. San Francisco 516 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 6: as well. Miami came back for an eleven inning win 517 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 6: over Pittsburgh four to three. Luisa Riaz of the Marlins 518 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 6: had a two run homer and two walks. He's batting 519 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 6: four to oh one. Baltimore homerd in the tenths to 520 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 6: beat Seattle six to four, and the Cubs and Cardinals 521 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 6: are playing in London this weekend. On Fox TV. Today, 522 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 6: the Cubs dominated. It was seven to nothing in the 523 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 6: fourth inning, nine to one Cubbies. The final Chicago's won 524 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 6: four straight. The loss to Adam Wainwright at the College 525 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 6: World Series Finals opener, lsu homers in the eleventh to 526 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 6: take the lead. It's now for to three over number 527 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 6: two ranked Florida, two outs in the bottom of the 528 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 6: eleventh inning on FS one. For US Men's soccer, the 529 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 6: Gold Cup tournament has started tonight's game. They're trailing Jamaica 530 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 6: midway through the first half, one nothing in Chicago. Three 531 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 6: more games on FS one tomorrow in this tournament. Keegan 532 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 6: Bradley as one stroke lead at the Travelers Championship in Connecticut. 533 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 6: At the women's PGA, Rose Jang from Stanford is six 534 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 6: shots back in New Jersey and NBA Rookie of the 535 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,919 Speaker 6: Year Paulo Benko will reportedly play for the US this 536 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 6: summer at the Basketball World Cup. In other words, not 537 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 6: for Italy, as he's been saying back to you, thank 538 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:00,239 Speaker 6: you much. 539 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 2: Steve Sager, Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday, Aaron Torres 540 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 2: Jason Martin broadcasting live from the Tireck dot Com studios. 541 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 2: You know, Jason, you mentioned you know or I mentioned 542 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 2: talking college hoops. I'll tell you a little funny story. 543 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 2: Some of the cool things about, you know, kind of 544 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 2: having a little bit of a beat, you know. Disager 545 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 2: just mentioned Paulo Bancaro is going to play for Team 546 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 2: USA this summer at the at the World Championships. I 547 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 2: bring it up because it must I think it was 548 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 2: the COVID summer. By the way, ls you did just 549 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 2: take game one of the College World Series best of 550 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 2: three championship. LSU takes care business. They are up one nothing. 551 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 2: It is a best of three for the College World 552 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 2: Series title. They'll play tomorrow night. But so bn Caro. 553 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 2: His father is of Italian descent, and I remember talking 554 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 2: to his dad during the summer of twenty twenty in 555 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 2: the lead up to the Olympics that were eventually canceled, 556 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 2: and his dad was saying, oh, yeah, we're working on 557 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 2: getting me a passport blah blah blah. And I said, well, well, 558 00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 2: why would you do that, you know, I mean, he 559 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 2: could play for Team USA. And I bring it up 560 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 2: because I remember his dad vividly saying, you know, listen, 561 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,679 Speaker 2: you know I love my son, and I think my 562 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 2: son is incredible, and I think there's big things ahead 563 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 2: for him. He said, But realistically, the chances of him 564 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 2: ever being one of the twelve best players of American 565 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 2: descent and representing Team USA probably isn't as good, and 566 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 2: you know, we want to give him the opportunity to 567 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 2: play internationally and blah blah blah blah and this and that. 568 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 2: So I bring it up because you know, you talk 569 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 2: about you know, one of the cool things about my 570 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 2: job is you know, you go from that about four 571 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 2: years ago, three years ago to as the sega just 572 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 2: told you he's gonna be representing Team USA this summer 573 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 2: at the World Cup. I don't know, just just kind 574 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 2: of a cool story there. 575 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 4: Because cool, yes, truly cool. 576 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 2: Because again, you know, of Italian descent, obviously could represent 577 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 2: that country. And I think the story was too that 578 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 2: because the Olympics were canceled, he never officially did anything 579 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 2: with the Italian national team, and I believe if he 580 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 2: had represented them once, he wouldn't be able to represent 581 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 2: the USA. So big win in a weird way for 582 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 2: Team USA being able to get him to represent But 583 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 2: it is a cool thing about you know, college basketball, 584 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 2: and kind of the role that I have in it 585 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 2: is you get to meet some of these families early on, 586 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 2: and you get to see a kid like Polo grow 587 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 2: and develop from sixteen seventeen years old. I remember the 588 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 2: time when his dad said, realistically, you know, who knows 589 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 2: if he'll ever have a chance to represent USA. Here 590 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 2: he is after a Rookie of the Year season, representing 591 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 2: them as a twenty twenty one year old. So back 592 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 2: to the NBA draft, because I did have a thought. 593 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 2: You asked me, is it a front of the Jersey sport? 594 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 2: And I think there is zero doubt in my mind 595 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 2: that it is. This isn't the NBA where if you 596 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 2: love Lebron, you're gonna root for Lebron, whether he plays 597 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 2: for the Heat, whether he plays for the you know, 598 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 2: the Lakers, the Calves, whatever. I do have another thought, though, Jason, 599 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 2: and I think it's kind of a multifaceted thought, both 600 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 2: with all of the guys that got drafted early who 601 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 2: didn't play college basketball, but also the guys that didn't 602 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 2: get drafted at all that were college basketball stars. Oscar 603 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 2: Shibwe National Player of the Year two seasons ago, goes undrafted, 604 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 2: Drew Timmy, multi time All American, goes undrafted, a Domasnogo 605 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 2: Final four MVP or mop I should say, goes undrafted, 606 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 2: And really, what I think that we're starting to see Jason. 607 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 2: This is my thought more than you know, front of jersey, this, that, whatever, 608 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 2: And it's not good or bad. 609 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 3: I just think it's a fact. 610 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 2: Is I think college basketball and the NBA are slowly 611 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 2: essentially two ships passing in the night where I'm just 612 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 2: not sure that one necessarily correlates to another. 613 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 3: Right, And it was funny. 614 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 2: I was talking to a buddy of mine earlier this 615 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 2: week and we went through some some previous drafts and whatever, 616 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 2: and you go back to early nineties, mid nineties, late nineties, 617 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 2: and there's a pretty good correlation between the guys drafted 618 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 2: at the top were on the best teams that competed 619 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 2: at the highest level. 620 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 3: And now it's just not that anymore. 621 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 2: And I think college basketball is going to be a 622 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 2: front of the sport jersey, or a front of the 623 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 2: front of the jersey sport in other words, for people 624 00:30:58,880 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 2: wh don't know what that means. 625 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 3: In other words, you root for Kentucky, you don't root 626 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 3: for players. 627 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 2: But I think there are there are now, especially in 628 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 2: the NIL era, there are players that the average fan 629 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 2: that tune in the last tournament, no you know, you know, 630 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 2: Drew Timmy after two three, years again Zaga. You know, 631 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,959 Speaker 2: Oscar Sibwe because of what he did at Kentucky. It 632 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily make him a great college NBA draft prospect, 633 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 2: but they're incredible college players. And I just think as 634 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 2: time goes on, more and more and there's more alternatives, 635 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 2: and there's more of this and there's more that I 636 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 2: think that's what we're gonna see. And I think also 637 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 2: my last thought I know I'm going along here is 638 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 2: that I think, you know, we kind of saw that 639 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 2: in college basketball this year, where you know, a San 640 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 2: Diego State team that had a bunch of fifth six 641 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 2: year guys I don't believe anybody was drafted, plays for 642 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 2: a national championship. Yukon has one first round pick, but 643 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 2: ultimately wins the title and was clearly the best team 644 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 2: in the country. Miami wins the ACC regular season title, 645 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 2: goes to a Final four, has no first round picks. 646 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 2: I just think these these are two great standalone individual 647 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 2: sports that I think as time goes on, they have 648 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 2: less and less in common in terms of what we 649 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 2: see on the court and style of play and all 650 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 2: that stuff. 651 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a yeah, you're right. I mean I think 652 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 4: that that's a really good point. There's not much correlation anymore. 653 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 4: Just because you're a good college player means absolutely nothing, 654 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 4: and it used to mean an awful lot, but that's 655 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 4: when everybody was going to college. 656 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 3: And staying four years. 657 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, right, exactly, and we were getting to watch them development. 658 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 4: And really, when I said Front of the Jersey Sports, 659 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 4: not just that you know or that you're a fan 660 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 4: of Kentucky, it's that you know Kentucky if you live 661 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 4: anywhere else, Like I know UCLA, but I don't necessarily 662 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 4: know their roster anymore the same way that I once 663 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 4: would have, or things like that like that, just as 664 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 4: an example, but I think that what you basically have 665 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 4: in college basketball now is you have a bunch of 666 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 4: late nineties, early two thousands Heisman Trophy winners. Sure it's 667 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 4: a great analogy, yep, like Eric Crouch and those kind 668 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 4: of players that like even Tim Tebow to an extent, 669 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 4: like Troy guys that were just all world college but 670 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 4: Johnny Manziel, like any number of these kind of guys 671 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 4: that were just all world for a while. And now 672 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 4: you're getting guys that could play on the NFL level. 673 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 4: Because it's a lot of quarterbacks and they're gonna get 674 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 4: opportunities and everything else. But generally speaking, there was a 675 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 4: time where winning the Heisman Trophy was like a death 676 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 4: nell for your ability to do anything in the NFL 677 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 4: or even be looked at by teams favorably. It's like 678 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 4: going to college. It's like, oh man, you couldn't go 679 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 4: to Ignite, you couldn't go play over overseas. You couldn't 680 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 4: do this. You weren't part of that. Like it's almost 681 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 4: like college basketball has become single a or something like that. 682 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 4: It's further away from the NBA than it's ever been 683 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 4: in terms of being a pipeline or a place to 684 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 4: be seen properly. Because it's very true though that a 685 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 4: lot of the guys that get drafted out of college 686 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 4: that we think look pretty fantastic in college, they don't 687 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 4: do much when they get to the NBA because the 688 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 4: NBA is a different speed, it's a different physicality, everything 689 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 4: about it is just a different game. And you can't 690 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 4: fault various franchises for, you know, looking at Ignite and 691 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 4: looking Overseas, because they understand their game, they understand the 692 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 4: NBA game, and they know what kind of guys are 693 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,359 Speaker 4: most likely going to facilitate that in college basketball in 694 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 4: general just doesn't breed those guys the way that they 695 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 4: used to. 696 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and uh yeah, And I'll just wrap by saying, 697 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,320 Speaker 2: I don't think it makes it a good thing or 698 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 2: a bad thing. I don't think it takes away from 699 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 2: what is obviously a great college basketball tournament and you know, postseason. 700 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 3: I don't think it takes anything away from. 701 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 4: The NBA either. 702 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 2: It's it's an interesting time and I think, especially with Nil, 703 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 2: we're gonna see a lot of really good college players 704 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 2: maybe become college stars. You get to know them a 705 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 2: little bit better, even if it doesn't really translate to 706 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 2: Draft night. Fox Sports Radio eron Torres Jason Martin coming up, 707 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 2: Do you want to talk a little bit about that 708 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 2: number two versus three debate? Brandon Miller versus Scoot Henderson 709 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 2: will discuss that next at Also Brandon Miller is a 710 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 2: very interesting comments that need to be addressed. 711 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 3: We'll hit it all next. Fox Sports Radio. 712 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 713 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,760 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio 714 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to 715 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:17,760 Speaker 1: listen live. 716 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 2: Welcome back, everybody, Fox Sports Radio Aaron Torris, Jason Martin 717 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 2: broadcasting live from the tairaq dot com studios, and we 718 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,800 Speaker 2: are brought to you by Progressive Insurance. 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Uh if they score another touchdown 728 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 2: and kick the extra point, we'll keep you update if 729 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 2: they get to thirty but twenty three top egg and 730 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 2: the fourth ATGG for. 731 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 3: The Anaheim Angels. Thank you for the updakers. 732 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:18,840 Speaker 4: Okay thirteen and the third eight in the fourth twenty 733 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,879 Speaker 4: three Rod's a twenty one hits. 734 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 2: It's still early, though. Funny things happen in baseball. I 735 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 2: don't think that. I don't think anything too funny's gonna 736 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,880 Speaker 2: happen here. All right, So before the break, we were 737 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 2: talking a lot of NBA Draft and one thing I 738 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,240 Speaker 2: did say right before the break, I said, uh, let's 739 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 2: talk a little bit about the number two pick. Where 740 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 2: the big conversation was Charlotte do you take Brandon Miller? 741 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 2: Do you take Scoot Henderson? You know, obviously, I think 742 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 2: most people know Charlotte seems as though they are building 743 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 2: around La Mellow ball a point guard who is best 744 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 2: with the ball in his hands. Scoot Anderson also, you know, 745 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 2: kind of a combo guard, but still somebody that's best 746 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 2: with the ball in his hands. Or it seemed like 747 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 2: it was either gonna be Sco Henderson or Brandon Miller. 748 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,479 Speaker 2: Of course, the wing from Alabama did have some off 749 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 2: the court issues this year, legal issues. They appear as 750 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 2: though they're sort of resolved. It doesn't appear as though 751 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 2: there's any real new information. I think everybody knows the 752 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 2: details there. Brandon Miller ends up going number two overall. 753 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,360 Speaker 2: Jason Henson actually just tweeted in Miller next to Mellow 754 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,800 Speaker 2: will be one of the best young duos in the league, 755 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 2: making Charlotte legit. Jason, are you at all surprised that 756 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 2: Miller ended up being the play at number two to Charlotte. 757 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 4: No. I mean, if you're building around LaMelo ball and 758 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,239 Speaker 4: screwed Henderson's just not the right fit. I mean, don't. 759 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 4: I don't think that makes you better. I think you 760 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 4: need to get something else. You need to get a 761 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,439 Speaker 4: good compliment to LaMelo ball. And that's what they did. 762 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,839 Speaker 4: And this is you know, Jordan finally gets to make 763 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,000 Speaker 4: this pick. It's like his last one. I guess on 764 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 4: the way out the door. And I just think Miller 765 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 4: makes sense. And we knew what Miller was capable of, 766 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 4: and we heard about it all last year and we 767 00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 4: saw it most of the time. I'm on the floor 768 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,880 Speaker 4: for an Alabama team that didn't end up winning a 769 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,839 Speaker 4: championship but entered the you know, entered the tournament as 770 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 4: a one seed. He looks the part. He's much different 771 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 4: of a player, does many different things for you than 772 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 4: a LaMelo Ball. And I know we'll talk about it later, 773 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:18,319 Speaker 4: but even Scoot and Dame doesn't really make a ton 774 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 4: of sense on paper based on what both of them do. 775 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,319 Speaker 4: Maybe they'll be able to figure it out. But I 776 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 4: think more than anything, it just that wasn't the need, 777 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 4: that wasn't the biggest need for Charlotte. I think they 778 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:28,879 Speaker 4: got that one right. 779 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,879 Speaker 2: We are gonna talk Scoot and Dame at the top 780 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,960 Speaker 2: of the hour and what that means mart Medina will 781 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,240 Speaker 2: join us in our number two as well. Jason, really quick, 782 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 2: you know, on the subject of Brandon Miller, I know 783 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 2: I'm not even asking did you hear what he said 784 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 2: because because I know you didn't, just based on our 785 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,479 Speaker 2: text messages. But in the lead up to Thursday Nights 786 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 2: NBA Draft, obviously we know there's a possibility that Charlotte 787 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 2: could take him at number two. Charlotte is owned by 788 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 2: the Michael Jordan, the Charlotte Hornets, and so Brandon Miller, 789 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 2: at a media vail ability was asked who he believes 790 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:03,480 Speaker 2: the goat is. 791 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 3: Here's what Brandon Miller had to say. 792 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 4: I just don't think Lebron is you know, to go 793 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 4: to fast rock, think my go to bath Paul George. 794 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,880 Speaker 4: I was just grew up watching him, so he's never. 795 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:21,919 Speaker 3: Just Lebron's, right, Chris, thank you? That was very much 796 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,279 Speaker 3: necessary because. 797 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 4: See I heard a different clip of him talking about 798 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 4: Paul George than that one. Okay, so I heard a 799 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 4: different when he was doing it. Was another availability pre draft, 800 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,879 Speaker 4: and he was talking about Jordan and trash talking and 801 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 4: basically he just he said that everybody said, how are 802 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 4: you playing in front of Jordan being so nervous. He's like, 803 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,240 Speaker 4: he's just another guy to me. I mean, Paul George 804 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,320 Speaker 4: is the guy I grew up. He's a guy I 805 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,400 Speaker 4: grew up watching. This is just another guy watching me 806 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,880 Speaker 4: work out. And so he was kind of trash talking 807 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,920 Speaker 4: Michael Jordan in this availability. Then he talked about Jordan 808 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,319 Speaker 4: trash talking him and then him trash talking him back, 809 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 4: and then watching Jordan airball a free throw. That availability 810 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,719 Speaker 4: was this. I was really impressed with him because I 811 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,719 Speaker 4: felt like he knew exactly what he was doing and 812 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 4: what he was saying, and it was legitimately savvy and funny. 813 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 2: Well, was this savvy and funny. 814 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 4: Funny in the wrong way? I see no universe in 815 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 4: which you can call Paul Georgia goat. I just I understand, though, 816 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 4: if you want pattern in your game after that guy, 817 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:21,080 Speaker 4: you like it. 818 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 3: No kidding. 819 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,799 Speaker 4: I can't save I can't save Brandon Miller on this one. 820 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,760 Speaker 2: I will say this, I found this sound very funny. 821 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,960 Speaker 2: Is Fox Sports Radio Aertorus Jason Martin. Coming up, we 822 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:36,920 Speaker 2: talked Dame What's next to Portland? Fox Sports Welcome in Everybody, 823 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:41,239 Speaker 2: Hour two, Fox Sports Radio, Aeron Torris, Jason Martin. We 824 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,120 Speaker 2: are broadcasting live from the tyreck dot Com studios. 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I mean we went off 836 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,719 Speaker 2: air last Saturday at two am Eastern time. Shortly after 837 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,960 Speaker 2: that Bradley Beal gets traded, you know, midday whatever on Sunday, 838 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,399 Speaker 2: and it has been just one, I think, really kind 839 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 2: of big talking point after another in the NBA, and 840 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,080 Speaker 2: we're gonna hit on a lot of them this hour. Chris, Paul, 841 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,440 Speaker 2: Marcus Smart, all that good stuff. Where I want to 842 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:39,560 Speaker 2: start Jason, though, is this is we talked right before 843 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,919 Speaker 2: the break about, you know, the decision at number two 844 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:47,759 Speaker 2: by the Charlotte Hornets to take Brandon Miller. And I 845 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 2: thought that was the most interesting possibility coming into the 846 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:55,440 Speaker 2: draft because it opened up the door for you know, 847 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,359 Speaker 2: it opened up the door for the possibility we had 848 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,200 Speaker 2: heard that the Blazers were shopping the pick. We had 849 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,759 Speaker 2: heard that a team like the New Orleans Pelicans had 850 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,759 Speaker 2: interest in Scoot Henderson, and so it opened up the 851 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 2: door for, Hey, is there a Zion trade out there? 852 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,920 Speaker 2: Brandon Miller's goat, Paul George was rumored to be in 853 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,680 Speaker 2: some trade rumors throughout the weekend. So I just bring 854 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,200 Speaker 2: it up because it felt like there could be something 855 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:21,840 Speaker 2: there and it was clear. The public edict from Portland 856 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,359 Speaker 2: is that they're still trying to build a winner around 857 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:28,839 Speaker 2: Damian Lillard. Now, of course Scoot Henderson is there. They 858 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,680 Speaker 2: added a guard in the top ten, in the top 859 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,040 Speaker 2: five this year. Keep in mind last year they drafted 860 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,359 Speaker 2: a guard in the top ten was Shaden Sharp. Their 861 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,239 Speaker 2: best young player under the age of probably twenty five 862 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,480 Speaker 2: or so, is Anthony Simons, who's a guard. I have 863 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,440 Speaker 2: a couple of different thoughts on this, Jason, But but just 864 00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:49,799 Speaker 2: first of all, what do you make of the Blazers 865 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,320 Speaker 2: taking Scoot Henderson? Does that mean that he will eventually 866 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,320 Speaker 2: be used as a trade asset. Does it mean Damian 867 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 2: Lillard is going to be traded himself, or does it 868 00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,840 Speaker 2: mean that you know, there's another their guard in Portland 869 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:02,640 Speaker 2: that they're going to try to use around Dame and 870 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:03,200 Speaker 2: make it work. 871 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,880 Speaker 4: I mean, it could be the latter. It could also 872 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,040 Speaker 4: just be, hey, you know, we need a future at 873 00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,200 Speaker 4: this position. Even if Dame is here with us throughout 874 00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,080 Speaker 4: the rest of his career, how long is that going 875 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:19,360 Speaker 4: to be? And maybe it's a best available situation. I 876 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,000 Speaker 4: kind of look at it and I think this is 877 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,319 Speaker 4: almost like Green Bay drafted a quarterback when you have 878 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,040 Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers, but not bringing in another wide receiver the 879 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,960 Speaker 4: number of guards they already have, the way they've drafted 880 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,399 Speaker 4: in recent years, and then going and grabbing another one 881 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,880 Speaker 4: now and then claiming they're trying to build around a guard. 882 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:41,520 Speaker 4: It just seems to be an illogical strategy. Scoot Anderson's 883 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,600 Speaker 4: obviously very good. We have heard about him and we 884 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,520 Speaker 4: knew he was going to be a top flight pick. 885 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,879 Speaker 4: We already described why it didn't make as much sense 886 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,360 Speaker 4: at two with Charlotte, considering they're already building around the 887 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,000 Speaker 4: guard there. LaMelo, Well, the same thing is true in Portland. 888 00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,040 Speaker 4: So either they think maybe Dame is going to let 889 00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,960 Speaker 4: it go out or it's going to be a Bradley 890 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,279 Speaker 4: Bual situation where they let him go and just say, hey, man, 891 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,240 Speaker 4: go win a championship somewhere. I also think there's another 892 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,120 Speaker 4: part of this that's not necessarily on the Portland side, 893 00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,560 Speaker 4: but it's been on the Me side for a few years, 894 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,880 Speaker 4: and that is I don't think you can build a 895 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,560 Speaker 4: champion around Damian Lillard. And I'm not saying that Damian 896 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,799 Speaker 4: Lillard can't be a massive piece of a championship team. 897 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,240 Speaker 4: I just think that you've got to build around Damon 898 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,840 Speaker 4: somebody else, and that somebody else has got to be, 899 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,680 Speaker 4: you know, a fource on the inside. It's got to 900 00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,040 Speaker 4: be a completely different player. I mean, even when it 901 00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,359 Speaker 4: was Lillard and McCollum for years, we knew what they 902 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,839 Speaker 4: were is a one to two punch and do much 903 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,839 Speaker 4: when it came to the playoffs. It just that you've 904 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,600 Speaker 4: got to have more variety than that. There are five 905 00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,480 Speaker 4: positions on the floor, and I just look at Damon 906 00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,360 Speaker 4: I kind of see a guy that he's got to 907 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,120 Speaker 4: have a big He's got to have another superstar there, 908 00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,120 Speaker 4: but it can't be somebody's that replicates a lot of 909 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,000 Speaker 4: the same stuff you get from him. So I've always 910 00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,920 Speaker 4: kind of thought he's one of those guys. I just 911 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,160 Speaker 4: I don't think it's gonna ever win a championship. As 912 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,879 Speaker 4: much respect as I have for his game and as 913 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:06,680 Speaker 4: much as I like him and the way he goes 914 00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,040 Speaker 4: about his business, I think that he is toiled around, 915 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,799 Speaker 4: but his skill set, it just seems like that's all 916 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,240 Speaker 4: they keep doing is handing him another version of himself. 917 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,520 Speaker 4: He needs somebody completely different but dominant somewhere else on 918 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,600 Speaker 4: the floor. And I don't know that Scoot Anderson's the 919 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:22,240 Speaker 4: answer either. 920 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,560 Speaker 2: So I have two follow ups here, and I'm curious 921 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,000 Speaker 2: for your perspective because I one, I think you're right. 922 00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,800 Speaker 2: And it was funny I heard something about some rumor 923 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,920 Speaker 2: that Paul George was available this draft, and you know, 924 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,919 Speaker 2: I don't know that necessarily the Blazers would have been 925 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:41,279 Speaker 2: that that team, right, but whether it was Zion, whether 926 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:46,839 Speaker 2: it was Paul George whomever like Zion, even Zion being 927 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,200 Speaker 2: awesome and not being out of shape and being able 928 00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,320 Speaker 2: to play. And let's assume a best case scenario was 929 00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:55,040 Speaker 2: Zion like you have Zion, and Dame, you're not better 930 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,719 Speaker 2: than the Nuggets. You're not better than the Lakers. You're 931 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,600 Speaker 2: not better than the although we'll pick apart the Suns 932 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,200 Speaker 2: here in a little bit later. And so I'm with you, 933 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,480 Speaker 2: and and so I guess my question is and I 934 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,640 Speaker 2: don't even know how to phrase this properly in terms 935 00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,840 Speaker 2: of what the actual question is, but essentially my question 936 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:17,399 Speaker 2: is this is that one is. 937 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:18,880 Speaker 4: It fair to Dame? 938 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,960 Speaker 2: Like I guess Dame to me becomes a very interesting 939 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:28,560 Speaker 2: person because is it is it reasonable to say to him, hey, 940 00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,440 Speaker 2: we love you, but you know they would say it 941 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,720 Speaker 2: in a more diplomatic way than you just said it, Jason. 942 00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,840 Speaker 2: But can you say to him, listen, man, we're starting 943 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,239 Speaker 2: from scratch essentially for what you said, because we can't 944 00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,000 Speaker 2: build a champion around you. And then you leave it 945 00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:45,319 Speaker 2: up to him, Hey do you want to be here? 946 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:45,680 Speaker 4: Do you not? 947 00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,160 Speaker 2: But so I can can you? I guess I guess 948 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:53,160 Speaker 2: that's kind of my question. Can you rebuild and have 949 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,839 Speaker 2: Dame on the roster. Does it have to be all 950 00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,160 Speaker 2: the chips in the middle with Dame as one of 951 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,040 Speaker 2: the two or three center pieces, or can you do 952 00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:02,839 Speaker 2: a rebuild and if he wants to stay there and 953 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,480 Speaker 2: be a vet and retire in Portland and never compete 954 00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,440 Speaker 2: at the highest level for a championship? Is that I 955 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,040 Speaker 2: guess That's what I'm trying to get at, is can 956 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,040 Speaker 2: you find that balance of if Dame wants to stay here, 957 00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,040 Speaker 2: he'll stay, but we're not acquiescing to him, We're not 958 00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,280 Speaker 2: building around him because I think, to your point, Jason, 959 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,279 Speaker 2: it's essentially impossible to build a championship team with him 960 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:23,200 Speaker 2: as your best player. 961 00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,120 Speaker 4: Yeah. Look, I think there might have been a time 962 00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,080 Speaker 4: where you could have done it, but I think that 963 00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,400 Speaker 4: time has passed. I think there are too many teams 964 00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,920 Speaker 4: that are built differently, more cohesively and with more variety 965 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,400 Speaker 4: now and it just doesn't work the same way. I 966 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:42,040 Speaker 4: think that. Look, I think that maybe when he decided 967 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,359 Speaker 4: to stay last year when it was possible, he's gonna 968 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,520 Speaker 4: go with the Knicks, and maybe he's gonna go to 969 00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,319 Speaker 4: this place or that place or whatever, he was gonna 970 00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,839 Speaker 4: win a championship. It seemed to me that when he 971 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,040 Speaker 4: came back, he was almost resigning himself to Look, I'm 972 00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,240 Speaker 4: a really really solid player, I'm a Hall of Famer, 973 00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,799 Speaker 4: I have a lot of respect in this league. I 974 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,000 Speaker 4: have respect to the media, all that kind of stuff. 975 00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,960 Speaker 4: Not gonna win a championship Like it just felt that 976 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,839 Speaker 4: way to me, felt like I like it here, I'm 977 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,319 Speaker 4: comfortable here. Remember he even did the interview where he 978 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,080 Speaker 4: said he was kind of driven by different things. 979 00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,239 Speaker 3: Let me jump in. Is that okay to you? 980 00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,919 Speaker 2: Like? Like cause I think you know? And this goes 981 00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,920 Speaker 2: to what we talked about an hour one with when Banyama. 982 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:24,480 Speaker 2: Is we in the media place these labels on athletes 983 00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,359 Speaker 2: and if Dame just said, I love Portland, I'm a 984 00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,839 Speaker 2: loyal guy. This is where I want to be, even 985 00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,160 Speaker 2: if I know that I probably will never hoist that 986 00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:33,280 Speaker 2: Larry O'Brian trophy. 987 00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:34,799 Speaker 3: Are you okay with that? 988 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:35,520 Speaker 4: Or do you. 989 00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:40,040 Speaker 2: Believe to be a truly elite, high level all time athlete? 990 00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,000 Speaker 2: And I think you know he's relatively all time, but 991 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,319 Speaker 2: you get the point. Do you have to strive to 992 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,040 Speaker 2: win even if it means you got to go be 993 00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,440 Speaker 2: the number two guy? Behind Lebron or the number two 994 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,080 Speaker 2: guy behind Jimmy Butler or whatever, Jase. 995 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,840 Speaker 4: Not necessarily. I mean, I think that you can be 996 00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,680 Speaker 4: truly elite and not win a championship. We have many 997 00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,080 Speaker 4: examples of that. But I think the bigger part is 998 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,400 Speaker 4: what drives you. Would you rather be a champion or 999 00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,720 Speaker 4: would you rather be content and happy with your life. 1000 00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,320 Speaker 4: I don't think that Dame would just say point blank, 1001 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,640 Speaker 4: I know we can't win, but I think he's probably 1002 00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,000 Speaker 4: resigned himself in some part that it's probably a very 1003 00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,000 Speaker 4: good likelihood. I'm not gonna end my career with the 1004 00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,640 Speaker 4: ring if I stay here, but is my quality of 1005 00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:24,240 Speaker 4: life such that I don't care what that means. Because 1006 00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,880 Speaker 4: I'm a legend in Portland. I'm gonna go down as 1007 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,040 Speaker 4: a legend in Portland. This city loves me. I've raised 1008 00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,040 Speaker 4: my family here. I love it here. I don't need 1009 00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:36,279 Speaker 4: to go anywhere else. Why would I upset this? This 1010 00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,280 Speaker 4: is a dream come true for me. It just depends 1011 00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,440 Speaker 4: on how he's wired, and it always has felt like 1012 00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,239 Speaker 4: he may have been wired just a little bit differently 1013 00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:45,920 Speaker 4: than a lot of other guys. I don't think that 1014 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,840 Speaker 4: it makes him less than that he doesn't want to 1015 00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,759 Speaker 4: go join Lebron or join a super team somewhere or 1016 00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,600 Speaker 4: anything like that. If indeed that's the case now, if 1017 00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,120 Speaker 4: there's been situations where it's just fallen through and he's 1018 00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,279 Speaker 4: wanted to do it, then yeah, you should probably go 1019 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,120 Speaker 4: ahead and do it. Like if your heart is there, 1020 00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,080 Speaker 4: stay where your heart is like that, that's probably gonna 1021 00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,440 Speaker 4: make you the happiest version of yourself, the most driven 1022 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,759 Speaker 4: version of yourself. But if you have tried to get 1023 00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,480 Speaker 4: out before and behind closed doors that just hasn't worked out, 1024 00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,720 Speaker 4: or you know, the organization hasn't been quite as friendly 1025 00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,800 Speaker 4: or whatever it is, then yeah, now's the time to 1026 00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,319 Speaker 4: get out. I think that's it. It's just if they've 1027 00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,520 Speaker 4: been good to you and you are happy there, and 1028 00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,440 Speaker 4: you like the loyalty aspect of this, and you you 1029 00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:32,400 Speaker 4: do not necessarily see a reason to just upset what 1030 00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:36,160 Speaker 4: your life has been for a chance at a championship 1031 00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,160 Speaker 4: with a super team. I can't really fault him for 1032 00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,440 Speaker 4: that because it's so the Robert Frost Steel. It's the 1033 00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,400 Speaker 4: road let's travel by in a lot of ways, especially 1034 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,080 Speaker 4: in this day and age in sports, and it's it's 1035 00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,440 Speaker 4: kind of something you would have a pretty good amount 1036 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,799 Speaker 4: of respect for honestly, just because he's doing it his 1037 00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,120 Speaker 4: own way. It's not like he's not gonna give his all. 1038 00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,560 Speaker 4: He's given everything. He usually runs out of gas in 1039 00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,000 Speaker 4: the playof because he's played fifty minutes a game. It 1040 00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,920 Speaker 4: feels like every night. This is dude that does not 1041 00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:09,000 Speaker 4: load manage much in his career. We've seen that that 1042 00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,440 Speaker 4: that to me, I think he deserves a different line 1043 00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:15,719 Speaker 4: of respect. It's just it's unique because so many other 1044 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,759 Speaker 4: guys when it doesn't work for a few years, they're 1045 00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,879 Speaker 4: out the door, and he has stuck it out and 1046 00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:25,279 Speaker 4: stayed there for a long long time. And he may 1047 00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,719 Speaker 4: continue it may continue to be that way. But I 1048 00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,839 Speaker 4: do think if they want to win a championship, they 1049 00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,759 Speaker 4: need a tear down or he just needs to kind 1050 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,279 Speaker 4: of resign himself that hey man, I'm gonna be great, 1051 00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,279 Speaker 4: but they're gonna need to go find their lebron and 1052 00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:39,480 Speaker 4: I can be their Dwayne Wade. 1053 00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:45,399 Speaker 2: I I'm with you from the perspective that I do. 1054 00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,879 Speaker 2: I would have no ill will or you know, like 1055 00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:51,960 Speaker 2: because I think you know And again we talked about 1056 00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,120 Speaker 2: this in hour one. The debate culture of you know, 1057 00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,400 Speaker 2: it's either this or that. And and if Damian Liller 1058 00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,520 Speaker 2: wants to retire in Portland, I would have no fundamental 1059 00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,560 Speaker 2: issue with it. I think if he's happy and that's 1060 00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,040 Speaker 2: where he wants to be, then I think that's great. 1061 00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,000 Speaker 2: And and I you know, I would be bothered if 1062 00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,399 Speaker 2: if it comes down to that when he retires and 1063 00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,520 Speaker 2: the hot takes come out of like you know, oh, 1064 00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:17,920 Speaker 2: he's he's letting everybody. You know, he he's somehow less 1065 00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,279 Speaker 2: of a whatever because he chose not to to chase 1066 00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:25,720 Speaker 2: a ring somewhere that wasn't Portland. But what I will say, 1067 00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,399 Speaker 2: and I think it's interesting is that, and we're gonna 1068 00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,160 Speaker 2: talk to Mark Madeina about this here momentarily, is that 1069 00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,440 Speaker 2: I do think this is like, I just think it's 1070 00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,239 Speaker 2: an interesting I think it's an interesting conversation because it 1071 00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:40,640 Speaker 2: feels to me like the Dame Lillard, you know, like 1072 00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,560 Speaker 2: like does Dame Willard Lillard actually want to go anywhere 1073 00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,360 Speaker 2: as much as the media wants Dame Lillard to go somewhere, 1074 00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,200 Speaker 2: so we can talk about how he would fit in 1075 00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:49,800 Speaker 2: Miami or how we would fit here, or how he 1076 00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:50,480 Speaker 2: would fit there. 1077 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:51,160 Speaker 7: Uh. 1078 00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:52,320 Speaker 3: And I'm curious to hear. 1079 00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,799 Speaker 2: What Mark Willard or Mark Willard Mark Mark Medina has 1080 00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,200 Speaker 2: to say he's gonna join us here momentarily because I 1081 00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,680 Speaker 2: do think there's some interesting perspective on does actually want 1082 00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:06,280 Speaker 2: to stay and really is the is the media push 1083 00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,240 Speaker 2: to get Dame Lollard somewhere greater than his actual desire. 1084 00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,080 Speaker 2: So I'll tell you what, We're gonna come back. We're 1085 00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,400 Speaker 2: gonna bring back Mark Medina and he is going to 1086 00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,280 Speaker 2: discuss that with us. Really excited to have Mark Medina 1087 00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,360 Speaker 2: join us momentarily. Should add By the way, we are 1088 00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,759 Speaker 2: brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Progressive makes bundling easy 1089 00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:24,480 Speaker 2: and affordable. Get a multi policy discount by combining your motorcycle, RV, boat, 1090 00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,160 Speaker 2: ATV and more all your protection in one place. Bundle 1091 00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,879 Speaker 2: and save at Progressive dot com. Mark Medina joins us 1092 00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,640 Speaker 2: next to talk Dame Lillard and what was a wild 1093 00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,560 Speaker 2: week in the NBA Outside of Dame Lillard. Dame load 1094 00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,879 Speaker 2: hasn't happened yet a lot of stuff did happen. We're 1095 00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:44,080 Speaker 2: gonna discuss Chris Paul Marcus Smart everything with Mark Mark Medina. 1096 00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:48,120 Speaker 2: That's coming up next. Fox Sports Radio Welcome back, everybody, 1097 00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,759 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio Aeron Torres, Jason Martin. We are broadcasting 1098 00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:56,319 Speaker 2: live from the Tireraq dot Com studios, and we. 1099 00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:57,200 Speaker 3: Are brought to you by Discover. 1100 00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,279 Speaker 2: At the end of your first year Discover credit cards 1101 00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,920 Speaker 2: automatically all the cash back you've earned. That's right, everything 1102 00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,360 Speaker 2: you earned doubled. See terms of check it out for 1103 00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,800 Speaker 2: yourself at Discovered dot Com. Slash Match. We've been talking 1104 00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:12,359 Speaker 2: a lot of NBA here to start the show over 1105 00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,080 Speaker 2: the last hour and change, and we want to keep it, 1106 00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:16,839 Speaker 2: keep it going, so we're gonna head out to the 1107 00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:21,240 Speaker 2: phone lines. Mark Medina our Fox Sports Radio NBA insider. 1108 00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,200 Speaker 2: Make sure to follow him on Twitter at Mark g 1109 00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:24,240 Speaker 2: Underscore Medina. 1110 00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:25,719 Speaker 3: Mark. What's going on? 1111 00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:30,319 Speaker 7: Ah, not much, just getting ready for some more off 1112 00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,960 Speaker 7: season action this week. This past week was busy, but 1113 00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,960 Speaker 7: it just seems inevitable if this upcoming week will be 1114 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:36,640 Speaker 7: even busier. 1115 00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:38,160 Speaker 2: So let me ask you a dumb question before we 1116 00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,440 Speaker 2: get into specifics. I was talking to Jason about this. 1117 00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,479 Speaker 2: I feel like we've always kind of had July one 1118 00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:47,120 Speaker 2: circled as that's when all the off season craziness happens. 1119 00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,120 Speaker 2: Has there been this much? And I guess part of 1120 00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,360 Speaker 2: it was the draft pick compensation and all that. But 1121 00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,240 Speaker 2: I don't ever remember like the week before the draft 1122 00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,520 Speaker 2: kind of that middle ground between the finals ending in 1123 00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,799 Speaker 2: the draft beginning being quite as crazy as the last 1124 00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,320 Speaker 2: the last week or so. Am I crazy to say that, Mark. 1125 00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:06,560 Speaker 7: No, I think that this has been pretty busy, But 1126 00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,799 Speaker 7: I think I've gotten so used to it that it 1127 00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:13,279 Speaker 7: feels like the recent years it's always had this kind 1128 00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,600 Speaker 7: of frenetic energy to it. I think that as I'm 1129 00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:20,920 Speaker 7: looking back at free agent periods, what's always been unique 1130 00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:24,160 Speaker 7: and ironic. When Lebron James was a free agent, whether 1131 00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:27,120 Speaker 7: it was you know, the ill fated decision in twenty 1132 00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,640 Speaker 7: eleven or when he decided to come back to Cleveland 1133 00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,960 Speaker 7: in twenty fourteen, which Coin Siowa and Carmelo Anthony was 1134 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:38,120 Speaker 7: doing a free agency tour, those periods really were stagnant 1135 00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,239 Speaker 7: at the beginning because they were the dominoes, right Like. 1136 00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:45,960 Speaker 7: Teams still made some top signings, but they're all ancillary signings, 1137 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,520 Speaker 7: and they didn't want to do anything major until they 1138 00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:52,000 Speaker 7: knew where, you know, those respective players were headed, because 1139 00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:57,000 Speaker 7: they're such game changers. But outside of those years, everything's 1140 00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:58,759 Speaker 7: been all up in the air. And then I think 1141 00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:02,000 Speaker 7: when you add in the frenetic part of free agency, 1142 00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,200 Speaker 7: what else has changed is that there's no such thing 1143 00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:09,160 Speaker 7: as contracts anymore. Even guys who have just signed one, 1144 00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:13,239 Speaker 7: you know, are in one year of a extension, that 1145 00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,239 Speaker 7: doesn't mean anything. Whether it's a team deciding, you know what, 1146 00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,359 Speaker 7: we need to get rid of this contract and start 1147 00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,279 Speaker 7: things over, or a player, a star player, saying they 1148 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,080 Speaker 7: won out. So when you add in the fact that 1149 00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,360 Speaker 7: there's some notable free agents this week and some guys 1150 00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,880 Speaker 7: that may or may not get traded, I guess we 1151 00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:31,960 Speaker 7: just got to buckle up. 1152 00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,759 Speaker 4: Mark, What was the most surprising thing of the week. 1153 00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,000 Speaker 4: If indeed there was something surprising, it could be something 1154 00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,000 Speaker 4: in the draft, but I imagine it might have been one 1155 00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,800 Speaker 4: of these one of these named players getting moved. Anything 1156 00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:44,040 Speaker 4: catch you off guard. 1157 00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:50,520 Speaker 7: Well, it didn't, it didn't. I wasn't surprised necessarily that 1158 00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:54,040 Speaker 7: Portland chose Stude Henderson. He's a great point guard. But 1159 00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,080 Speaker 7: I thought it was telling that they decided to do 1160 00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,960 Speaker 7: that as opposed to trading a player. And that doesn't, 1161 00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:02,560 Speaker 7: you know, because of what's going on with Damian Lillard. 1162 00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:06,560 Speaker 7: And that's not to say that the Portland Trailblazer. Blazers 1163 00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:10,400 Speaker 7: are saying a message that, hey, Damian Lillard, our future 1164 00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,319 Speaker 7: with you is come to a close. But I think 1165 00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,400 Speaker 7: it was a message saying we're going to be our 1166 00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,160 Speaker 7: own front office. We're not going to acquiesce to a 1167 00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,480 Speaker 7: star player wanting to play with a veteran player because 1168 00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:26,080 Speaker 7: we think that what we're doing is the better basketball play. 1169 00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:30,080 Speaker 7: And I do get it, because you know, even someone 1170 00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,960 Speaker 7: like Zion Williamson, if he wound up becoming available from 1171 00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,400 Speaker 7: New Orleans, I don't know if that's the better play 1172 00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:37,960 Speaker 7: because you just never know if he's going to be 1173 00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:41,120 Speaker 7: available or not because of his injury history. And so 1174 00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:44,160 Speaker 7: I think that that's what's going to be fascinating moving forward, 1175 00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,800 Speaker 7: because up until this point, you know, it almost felt 1176 00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,480 Speaker 7: like a broken record for both parties, and they try 1177 00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:54,680 Speaker 7: to over and over again that Damian Lillard had no 1178 00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,000 Speaker 7: desires to leave Portland. He wanted to retire, you know, 1179 00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,320 Speaker 7: his career at the end of his career there, he 1180 00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,520 Speaker 7: didn't want to join the trend of, you know, being 1181 00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:08,680 Speaker 7: a star player to make super teams. And Portland always 1182 00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,560 Speaker 7: was adamant that they didn't want to trade Damien because 1183 00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,720 Speaker 7: even if they never got to the championship level like 1184 00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:18,560 Speaker 7: they had a lot of playoff consistency and so here 1185 00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:22,040 Speaker 7: That's not to say it's inevitable that their partnership is 1186 00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:23,520 Speaker 7: going to come to an end, but I think it's 1187 00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,720 Speaker 7: telling in and of itself that they've actually gotten to 1188 00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,960 Speaker 7: the point where they're entertaining that possibility. 1189 00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,560 Speaker 2: So let me ask a dumb question, mark, is there 1190 00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:37,320 Speaker 2: actually a desire I know you can't speak for and 1191 00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,080 Speaker 2: you probably don't want to speak for Damian Lillard. Is 1192 00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,640 Speaker 2: there actually a desire for him to leave? Or is 1193 00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:45,960 Speaker 2: it simply a situation where Portland has said, we have 1194 00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,960 Speaker 2: to make decisions in the best interests of this organization, 1195 00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:52,760 Speaker 2: not necessarily stuff that is on Damian Lillard's timeline. 1196 00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,240 Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it's exactly the former. And look, I 1197 00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,800 Speaker 7: don't think Damian Lollard necessarily wants to leave, and I 1198 00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:03,600 Speaker 7: don't think that Portland ever trade him unless he, you know, 1199 00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:06,640 Speaker 7: just started banging on the drums that he wants out right, 1200 00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,680 Speaker 7: And it seems clear that neither side wants to be 1201 00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,920 Speaker 7: the bad guy. But I think if Damian Lillard ever 1202 00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,080 Speaker 7: gets the point that he wants out, it's because he 1203 00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,760 Speaker 7: doesn't feel like he could ever win a championship with 1204 00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,760 Speaker 7: them and that you know, time is running out to 1205 00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:26,120 Speaker 7: do so. But I think in fairness to Portland, even 1206 00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,040 Speaker 7: though they went through certain seasons where just felt like, 1207 00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:31,880 Speaker 7: you know, they're kind of spending on the hamster wheel, 1208 00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:35,000 Speaker 7: going through this never ending charade of improving on the 1209 00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,760 Speaker 7: margins that kept them competitive but didn't really fundamentally change 1210 00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,760 Speaker 7: the course of the team. I think they do have 1211 00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,520 Speaker 7: a good young nucleus. You know, Scoot Henderson, he can 1212 00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:46,320 Speaker 7: play on and off the ball, even if he is 1213 00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,840 Speaker 7: most effective on the ball. But you know, they have 1214 00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:52,160 Speaker 7: guys like Anthony Simon's and Shaden Sharp, you know use 1215 00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:56,280 Speaker 7: of Nurkic is a good veteran. They can be a 1216 00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,520 Speaker 7: good team. But I think the problem is there is 1217 00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:02,760 Speaker 7: a danger that's the same thing that you know, because 1218 01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:06,560 Speaker 7: of the crowded Western Conference landscape with the Denver Nuggets 1219 01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,600 Speaker 7: having you know, the chance to repeat because of the 1220 01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:13,880 Speaker 7: depth talent community they have the Phoenix Suns possibly being 1221 01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:16,440 Speaker 7: you know, a championship or bus team with the Bradley 1222 01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:19,840 Speaker 7: Beal acquisition, that Portland would be in the danger once 1223 01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:23,760 Speaker 7: again of being a competitive playoff team. But nothing else 1224 01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,360 Speaker 7: but I think in fairness to that, you know, if 1225 01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,600 Speaker 7: Damian's going to go to another team, I don't know 1226 01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:32,760 Speaker 7: if that's the better play for him, because that team 1227 01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:36,480 Speaker 7: might sacrifice so much depth to get them. That's almost 1228 01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:37,439 Speaker 7: back to square one. 1229 01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:41,600 Speaker 4: Forum Mark said, you mentioned Phoenix, how they just decided 1230 01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:45,720 Speaker 4: we're gonna score one hundred and eighty again, and just 1231 01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,000 Speaker 4: if we win one hundred and eighty to one seventy eight, 1232 01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:50,320 Speaker 4: that's all right, because I mean, I love Bradley Beal, 1233 01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,240 Speaker 4: but it's not like you just grabbed yourself the defensive 1234 01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,320 Speaker 4: stopper that you were missing in the playoffs. 1235 01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,240 Speaker 7: Hey remember the Phoenix Suns in the early two thousands, 1236 01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,760 Speaker 7: it was seven seconds or less. Maybe it's five seconds 1237 01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:04,640 Speaker 7: or less, right. I think time will tell here, and 1238 01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:08,280 Speaker 7: I think that when I evaluate this deal, if this 1239 01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:11,919 Speaker 7: was just an isolated incident, I would give this deal 1240 01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:16,120 Speaker 7: a D because as much as Bradley Beal's a great talent, 1241 01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:19,000 Speaker 7: and I don't think from a chemistry standpoint, there are 1242 01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,960 Speaker 7: gonna there's not going to be any problems. I think, 1243 01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:25,520 Speaker 7: you know, Beal and Booker and Durant, they're all gonna 1244 01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:29,000 Speaker 7: adjust pretty well and coexists well. But They're not a 1245 01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:30,880 Speaker 7: good defensive team. They don't have a lot of depth. 1246 01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:34,280 Speaker 7: But I want to be surprised that this is part 1247 01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,960 Speaker 7: one of a larger deal that involves DeAndre aid and 1248 01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:41,680 Speaker 7: eventually getting shipped. And look, Frank Vogel, he's a great 1249 01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,960 Speaker 7: defensive minded coach. I don't think it's of the moo 1250 01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:47,760 Speaker 7: that he's fine with, Oh yeah, let's just score a 1251 01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:51,120 Speaker 7: bunch of points, like man Mike D'Antoni was with the 1252 01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:54,320 Speaker 7: early two thousand Sons. But it's going to be contingent 1253 01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,560 Speaker 7: on the Suns, you know, making sure that they have 1254 01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:59,680 Speaker 7: a complete roster, and if not, it's going to be 1255 01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,400 Speaker 7: the same problems that they faced last year where they 1256 01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:05,320 Speaker 7: lost the Nuggets in the second round for reasons beyond 1257 01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:07,080 Speaker 7: the fact that the Nuggets wanted to pin the title. 1258 01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:11,440 Speaker 7: Everything was contingent on Kevin Durant and Devin Booker playing 1259 01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:15,640 Speaker 7: out of their absolute mind and that just wasn't sustainable. 1260 01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:19,360 Speaker 7: And so you know, whether it involves John Grating getting 1261 01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:23,040 Speaker 7: trade this offseason or leading to the trade deadline after 1262 01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:26,680 Speaker 7: he presumably has a much better showing under a new 1263 01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:29,720 Speaker 7: head coach than he was with Monty Williams, that's the 1264 01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:34,080 Speaker 7: only formula that will make us work this idea that 1265 01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:37,320 Speaker 7: the Suns could go, you know, convince all these guys 1266 01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:40,959 Speaker 7: to take better minimum deals and that's good enough. Yeah, 1267 01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,560 Speaker 7: they do have some leverage because they are technically a 1268 01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:46,520 Speaker 7: title contending teams that some role players would do that, 1269 01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:50,280 Speaker 7: but you're also running a big risk that you're not 1270 01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:54,640 Speaker 7: finding the right combination. Trading DeAndre is the best formula 1271 01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:57,400 Speaker 7: because you can at least dictate who you're getting back 1272 01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:00,560 Speaker 7: in return, and theoretically, you know, they can get a 1273 01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:04,520 Speaker 7: combination of players that would address those positional needs. 1274 01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:08,000 Speaker 2: Mark Medina joining us Fox Sports Radio, Aaron Torres, Jason Martin, 1275 01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:11,440 Speaker 2: Mark Our Fox Sports Radio, NBA Insider. Follow them on 1276 01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:14,200 Speaker 2: Twitter at mark g Underscore Madina Mark, I guess Jason's 1277 01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:16,960 Speaker 2: asking great questions because I just keep following up on them. 1278 01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:20,840 Speaker 7: And soorryat questions to this. Let's just keep it going. 1279 01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:24,240 Speaker 4: Well, you you have currently tores both your questions. You 1280 01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:27,280 Speaker 4: have preceded by saying I'm gonna ask a dumb question. 1281 01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:30,320 Speaker 4: So you're two for two on asking dumb questions according 1282 01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:32,000 Speaker 4: to you. According to me, I think both of them 1283 01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:32,400 Speaker 4: were good. 1284 01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:35,320 Speaker 2: Well, this is a brilliant question that I do want 1285 01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:39,760 Speaker 2: to follow up on So okay, so I guess I 1286 01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:42,440 Speaker 2: seeing the Bradley Beal trade and and I think, you know, 1287 01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:44,920 Speaker 2: my first reaction was, it's exciting for social media. 1288 01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:46,360 Speaker 3: It's it's a fun thought experiment. 1289 01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,360 Speaker 2: As Jason just said, are we just passed like that 1290 01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:54,360 Speaker 2: era of hey, let's just trade for three guys. Let's 1291 01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,960 Speaker 2: get get our two to three guys and we'll figure 1292 01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,400 Speaker 2: it out from there. And I just asked, because you 1293 01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:02,680 Speaker 2: look at the Nuggets. Yes, they have a two time MVP, 1294 01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:06,120 Speaker 2: but it was the Michael Porters, Aaron Gordon's, the Bruce. 1295 01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:07,480 Speaker 3: Browns, even the Lakers. 1296 01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:10,120 Speaker 2: Do they get to the Western Conference finals without Ruy 1297 01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:13,160 Speaker 2: Hatchimora and the guys that emerged late in the year. 1298 01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:15,480 Speaker 2: And I just think there was probably about a five 1299 01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:17,880 Speaker 2: six year window where it was like, Okay, just get 1300 01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:20,360 Speaker 2: our two guys, get our three guys, and we'll figure 1301 01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:22,960 Speaker 2: it all out from there. I don't know that that 1302 01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,560 Speaker 2: blueprint works in this era of the NBA. 1303 01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:26,240 Speaker 3: Am I crazy? 1304 01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:29,200 Speaker 7: No, I think you're onto something. And I think that 1305 01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,280 Speaker 7: smart questions. When you're looking at what the Suns did, 1306 01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:35,760 Speaker 7: it was almost to get ahead of the new labor deal. 1307 01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:39,240 Speaker 7: Restrictions where maybe this is the last time that we're 1308 01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:41,960 Speaker 7: having these super teams with three star players. Now the 1309 01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:45,960 Speaker 7: model is two stars because of the spending restrictions, and 1310 01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,200 Speaker 7: I think even you know, when you look at Kawhi 1311 01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:51,320 Speaker 7: Leonard and Paul George's teaming up and Anthony Davis and 1312 01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:54,800 Speaker 7: Lebron James teaming up in twenty nineteen, the feeling at 1313 01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:58,080 Speaker 7: the time was, you know, this was a paradigm shift 1314 01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:01,880 Speaker 7: because it's just a lot easier for chemistry issues to 1315 01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:04,000 Speaker 7: be sorted out. When there was a Big three, it 1316 01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:07,080 Speaker 7: was inevitable that that third option or that third most 1317 01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:09,800 Speaker 7: talented player, you know, he was always you know, the 1318 01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:13,120 Speaker 7: sacrificial lamb, you know, whether it was Kevin Love in Cleveland, 1319 01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:16,160 Speaker 7: Ray Allen and Boston, et cetera. And it's a lot 1320 01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:18,680 Speaker 7: easier to have a dynamic duo and then a bunch 1321 01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:21,000 Speaker 7: of good role players. And so I think, because of 1322 01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:24,600 Speaker 7: this labor deal and the restrictions that come with retaining 1323 01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:28,840 Speaker 7: guys and your spending measures, that this is really going 1324 01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:31,680 Speaker 7: to be the last team that has that formula. But 1325 01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:34,880 Speaker 7: you know, when you have an owner in Mattieshbia that's 1326 01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:37,760 Speaker 7: willing to spend money. You know, this is his way of, 1327 01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:41,120 Speaker 7: you know, maybe giving a certain finger to the league 1328 01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:45,320 Speaker 7: about this new deal before it starts sticking in Mark. 1329 01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,440 Speaker 4: Is Boston better today than they were a week ago? 1330 01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:55,840 Speaker 7: My instinct would be no, because Marcus Smart is really valuable, 1331 01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:59,040 Speaker 7: not just as a defender, but being the bridge between 1332 01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:02,360 Speaker 7: a lot of parties. Coaching staff, Jason Tatum, Jaylen Brown, 1333 01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:06,960 Speaker 7: the role players with Christophe Porzingis. I do like what 1334 01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:11,960 Speaker 7: he brings. He has great skill set with really everything, 1335 01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:15,360 Speaker 7: you know, floor space or picking pop three point shooter, 1336 01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:18,880 Speaker 7: post up guy. Real good teammate. He's coming off a 1337 01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:22,440 Speaker 7: career season with Washington, even though I do have questions 1338 01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:24,720 Speaker 7: about his durability and fairness. When I talked to them 1339 01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:28,480 Speaker 7: last season, he really took me through his training regimen 1340 01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:32,160 Speaker 7: to show that, Look, this isn't structural issues that I'm 1341 01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:35,120 Speaker 7: dealing with. They were circumstantial and he had better health 1342 01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:37,960 Speaker 7: last season. But yeah, I'm not a fan of them 1343 01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:41,360 Speaker 7: trading Marcus Smart. He's a very important guy for them. 1344 01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:45,400 Speaker 7: And even though the Celics underachieved, and you know clearly 1345 01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:48,400 Speaker 7: they're making news because of that, I do wonder what 1346 01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:52,160 Speaker 7: it had been even worse if Marcus Smart wasn't there, 1347 01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,600 Speaker 7: so yeah, not a fan of it, but look, they 1348 01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:58,120 Speaker 7: technically have a chance to make this work because they 1349 01:06:58,120 --> 01:06:59,200 Speaker 7: still have a lot of talent. 1350 01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:03,320 Speaker 2: Mark we had about a minute left, Chris Paul Golden State, 1351 01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:06,120 Speaker 2: explain how that works, what it looks like. And I 1352 01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:09,720 Speaker 2: assume that this is the plan that Chris Paul the 1353 01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,640 Speaker 2: plan is to keep him for next season and not 1354 01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:14,040 Speaker 2: move him again this offseason. 1355 01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:16,680 Speaker 7: Yeah, I think the plan is to keep him this season. 1356 01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:19,160 Speaker 7: I mean, real quick. A lot of it came down to, 1357 01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:22,880 Speaker 7: you know, getting rid of Jordan Poole's contract, just you know, 1358 01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:26,960 Speaker 7: because they can do better things like retaining Klay Thompson 1359 01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,600 Speaker 7: when he's a free agent next summer. They felt like 1360 01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:33,160 Speaker 7: as much as they liked his growth, he was also inconsistent. 1361 01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:38,040 Speaker 7: Even though they never defended Raymond Green's behavior and thought 1362 01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:42,760 Speaker 7: that Jordan Poole was remarkably professional following the punch, there's 1363 01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,400 Speaker 7: no way around it, like that was an awkward time 1364 01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:49,400 Speaker 7: after that, and from a basketball standpoint, you know, Draymond 1365 01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:54,040 Speaker 7: Green's considered more valuable. From Chris Paul's end, they're bullish 1366 01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:56,320 Speaker 7: that they can take care of the health concerns because 1367 01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:58,920 Speaker 7: he has a reduced role, they have more of a 1368 01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:02,960 Speaker 7: supporting cast and the Suns and they have a good 1369 01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:06,480 Speaker 7: training staff. So yeah, that's that's really what it comes 1370 01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:09,280 Speaker 7: down to, and we'll see what happens. I wasn't initially 1371 01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,280 Speaker 7: a fan of the move, and I still have questions 1372 01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:15,400 Speaker 7: is basically because of Chris Paul's injury history, but I 1373 01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:19,840 Speaker 7: think everything else axes and O's roll attitude fit it 1374 01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:20,519 Speaker 7: can all work. 1375 01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:25,600 Speaker 2: He is Mark Medina, our Fox Sports Radio NBA Insider. 1376 01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:28,400 Speaker 2: Make sure to follow Mark on Twitter at Mark g 1377 01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:31,920 Speaker 2: Underscore Medina. Hearing them all over these airwaves, and Mark, 1378 01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:34,000 Speaker 2: it doesn't feel like it's slowing down anytime soon. 1379 01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:35,080 Speaker 3: So we'll be leaning on you. 1380 01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:37,280 Speaker 2: I know everybody else on the network will be leaning 1381 01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:37,960 Speaker 2: on you as well. 1382 01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:38,639 Speaker 3: Thank you for the. 1383 01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:40,639 Speaker 7: Time, Mark, I'll be ready for you guys. 1384 01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:44,680 Speaker 2: That is Mark Medina, Fox Sports Radio NBA Insider. Make 1385 01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:48,200 Speaker 2: sure to follow him on Twitter at Mark g Underscore Medina. 1386 01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:50,360 Speaker 2: A little bit late to the party, but want to 1387 01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:52,759 Speaker 2: toss it over the news desk second time this evening. 1388 01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:54,600 Speaker 3: Stave you saga, what's jing. 1389 01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:57,160 Speaker 6: A lot going on for starters? A chance at history 1390 01:08:57,160 --> 01:09:00,400 Speaker 6: in Major League Baseball? Tonight Let's begin with the Angels. 1391 01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:03,679 Speaker 6: They have tied their franchise record for most runs scored 1392 01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:07,719 Speaker 6: in a game. Angels are leading at Corsfield, Colorado, twenty 1393 01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:10,720 Speaker 6: four to nothing in the bottom of the seventh inning. 1394 01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:13,439 Speaker 6: Show hey Otani was at bat six times in the 1395 01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:17,000 Speaker 6: first six innings and went one for six. The rest 1396 01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:20,639 Speaker 6: of the Angels lineup is twenty five for thirty nine 1397 01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:25,080 Speaker 6: at the plate. What's possible is the largest margin of 1398 01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:30,439 Speaker 6: victory in any MLB game going back to nineteen oh one. Again, 1399 01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:34,280 Speaker 6: it's a twenty four run lead at this point. There 1400 01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:37,559 Speaker 6: was a twenty seven run victory in two thousand and 1401 01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:41,320 Speaker 6: seven Texas won at Baltimore thirty to three. There was 1402 01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:44,080 Speaker 6: also a game last year where Toronto won twenty eight 1403 01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:47,360 Speaker 6: to five at Boston, so these things are still insight. 1404 01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:50,519 Speaker 6: Bottom of the seventh, twenty four zip Angels lead on 1405 01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:55,200 Speaker 6: the road, and this would be the most lopsided shutout 1406 01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:57,840 Speaker 6: in Major League history if the Halos can get the 1407 01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:02,040 Speaker 6: final outs here. Currently the is twenty two to nothing. 1408 01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:04,960 Speaker 6: You mentioned earlier in the show how the Angels scored 1409 01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:08,160 Speaker 6: thirteen times in the third inning and then scored another 1410 01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:10,600 Speaker 6: eight runs the very next inning, So the Halo is 1411 01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:13,960 Speaker 6: now the only MLB team in the modern era to 1412 01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:17,080 Speaker 6: in the span of only two innings, score at least 1413 01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:20,760 Speaker 6: twenty runs. In fact, to have a twenty three to 1414 01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:24,080 Speaker 6: nothing lead after four That's the first time in the 1415 01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:27,240 Speaker 6: last one hundred years that any team has scored twenty 1416 01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:29,800 Speaker 6: three in the first four innings. 1417 01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:29,920 Speaker 4: Of a game. 1418 01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:31,920 Speaker 3: It's just crazy. What has going on? 1419 01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:35,160 Speaker 6: This is the late game, everything else is final. Washington 1420 01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:37,920 Speaker 6: has shut out the Padres and San Diego to nothing. 1421 01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:41,160 Speaker 6: The Dodgers came back to beat Houston eight to seven. 1422 01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:43,760 Speaker 6: The game winning run scored on a back in the 1423 01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:47,160 Speaker 6: eighth come back win for Miami in eleven innings over 1424 01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:49,840 Speaker 6: Pittsburgh foro to three. Baltimore home it in the tenth 1425 01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:53,960 Speaker 6: to beat Seattle six to four. Atlanta ended Cincinnati's twelve 1426 01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:57,400 Speaker 6: game winning streaks seven to six. Yankees and Mets each 1427 01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:00,800 Speaker 6: got wins. San Francisco over Arizona seven to six, and 1428 01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:04,479 Speaker 6: today in London, the Cubs pounded Saint Louis nine to one. 1429 01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:06,320 Speaker 6: The Cubs of one four in a row. They led 1430 01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:08,880 Speaker 6: seven to nothing in the fourth inning the loss to 1431 01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:12,040 Speaker 6: Adam Wainwright. The College World Series Finals opener went to 1432 01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:15,800 Speaker 6: LSU homering in the eleventh and beating number two ranked 1433 01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:19,000 Speaker 6: Florida four to three. NBA Rookie of the Year Polo 1434 01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:21,920 Speaker 6: Ben Carol will reportedly play for the US this summer 1435 01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:25,200 Speaker 6: at the Basketball World Cup. For US men's soccer, they 1436 01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:27,719 Speaker 6: have yet to get on the board in Chicago tonight. 1437 01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:31,440 Speaker 6: This is their opener of the Gold Cup tournament against Jamaica. 1438 01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:34,040 Speaker 6: It's the visitors won nothing in the lead in the 1439 01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:36,920 Speaker 6: seventy fourth minute. It would be more, but US goalie 1440 01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,759 Speaker 6: Matt Turner did save a penalty kick in the first half. 1441 01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:42,599 Speaker 6: This would be rare if the Americans lose a home 1442 01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:45,479 Speaker 6: game against an opponent from our region of the world. 1443 01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:49,280 Speaker 6: Three more games in this tournament tomorrow on FS one. 1444 01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:52,240 Speaker 6: Once again, we'll keep an eye on the Halos at 1445 01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:56,600 Speaker 6: Rockies game. It's twenty four to nothing Angels bottom of 1446 01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:57,120 Speaker 6: the seventh. 1447 01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:59,840 Speaker 3: Back to you, thank you very much, Steve. 1448 01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:03,240 Speaker 2: Not much else to add on that Angels Rockies game. 1449 01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:07,240 Speaker 4: Twenty or slacked, man, They've always scored one. Glad they 1450 01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:10,200 Speaker 4: piled on after the thirteen run third inning, because you know, 1451 01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:12,599 Speaker 4: they've really kind of you know, after that eight run fourth. 1452 01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:15,320 Speaker 2: It's really been a very quiet night for the bats 1453 01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:18,040 Speaker 2: there with the Los Angeles Angels. Who was funny to 1454 01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:20,280 Speaker 2: Seger saying, what do you say to Saga? One for 1455 01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:21,520 Speaker 2: six for Otani? 1456 01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:22,479 Speaker 3: Uh? 1457 01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:24,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, if he loses the batting title on the final 1458 01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:25,960 Speaker 2: day of the season, we're gonna have. 1459 01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:26,360 Speaker 4: To go back. 1460 01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:28,519 Speaker 6: He could be hitting three hundred if he was hitting 1461 01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:31,120 Speaker 6: like all his teammates tonight. They're just ended the seventh, 1462 01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:33,680 Speaker 6: so going to the eighth still has a chance to 1463 01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:37,360 Speaker 6: be the largest shutout win in MLB history. 1464 01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:38,200 Speaker 3: Unbelievable. 1465 01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:42,040 Speaker 2: Angels up twenty four to nothing in Colorado. You are 1466 01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:42,880 Speaker 2: not miss hearing that. 1467 01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:43,599 Speaker 3: Listen. 1468 01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:45,920 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what we just talked with Mark Medina. 1469 01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:49,479 Speaker 2: A lot of great insight on a busy week in 1470 01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:52,720 Speaker 2: the NBA. Jason and I'll come back, will react to 1471 01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:54,200 Speaker 2: some of what Mark Medina. 1472 01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:55,080 Speaker 3: Had to say. That's next. 1473 01:12:55,120 --> 01:13:01,080 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio, Welcome back, everybody. Fox Sports Radio. Aaron 1474 01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:05,360 Speaker 2: Taurus Jason Martin broadcasting live from thee Tireck dot Com Studios. 1475 01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:07,080 Speaker 3: We are brought to you by Discover. 1476 01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:08,880 Speaker 2: At the end of your first year, Discover credit cards 1477 01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:11,800 Speaker 2: automatically double all the cash back you've earned. That's right, 1478 01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:15,800 Speaker 2: everything you earned doubled. Seriously see terms of check it 1479 01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:19,160 Speaker 2: out for yourself at discover dot com. Slash match Jason 1480 01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:21,840 Speaker 2: gonna play a little choose your own adventure right now. 1481 01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:25,120 Speaker 2: Just had on Mark Medina and we covered a lot 1482 01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:28,040 Speaker 2: of ground in the NBA. If I said to you, 1483 01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:34,040 Speaker 2: the Bradley Beal, Bradley Beal to the Suns, Jordan Pooled 1484 01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:36,960 Speaker 2: to the Wizards, which of course leads Chris Paul to 1485 01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:41,760 Speaker 2: the Warriors, or Marcus Smart to the Memphis Grizzlies. Of 1486 01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:45,920 Speaker 2: those four options, what is the most interesting narrative to you? 1487 01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:49,000 Speaker 4: Of those four, Well, the Pool was fourth. 1488 01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:53,719 Speaker 2: I just loosely included him. I didn't think I probably should, 1489 01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:55,320 Speaker 2: but I but I put it in there. 1490 01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:57,800 Speaker 4: I mean, look, he doesn't have the name recognition as 1491 01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:01,520 Speaker 4: the other guys. Smart and Memphis is interesting because Smart 1492 01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:10,920 Speaker 4: is Smart is a more seasoned, savvy version of Dylan Brooks. 1493 01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:17,080 Speaker 4: Like Brooks is obnoxious and not worth the trouble. Marcus Smart. 1494 01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:19,519 Speaker 4: We know what he does when he flops, and sometimes 1495 01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:22,280 Speaker 4: he gets out of control and all this, but he 1496 01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:25,680 Speaker 4: is the kind of guy that adds a toughness and 1497 01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:29,479 Speaker 4: he adds defense, and he's a guy that has won 1498 01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:32,240 Speaker 4: a lot and can bring that to that team, So 1499 01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:38,519 Speaker 4: that's sort of interesting. Bradley Beal to Phoenix. I want 1500 01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:40,519 Speaker 4: to think that's more interesting than it is. Like I 1501 01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:44,080 Speaker 4: really like Bradley Beale, but I just don't think that 1502 01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:46,120 Speaker 4: that fit. Just that doesn't work for me. That just 1503 01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:47,920 Speaker 4: looks like it's got too many people that do very 1504 01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:51,479 Speaker 4: similar things on the same team, and I don't know 1505 01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:55,600 Speaker 4: how that mixture is actually gonna work. I'm fascinated not 1506 01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:58,559 Speaker 4: with Medina's suggestion of aight and leaving, because I could 1507 01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:01,519 Speaker 4: still certainly see that they're gonna do, Like what are 1508 01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:06,080 Speaker 4: you gonna get for DeAndre Ayden at this stage? Because 1509 01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:08,519 Speaker 4: everybody knows the rap on him. Sometimes he shows up, 1510 01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:12,160 Speaker 4: sometimes he doesn't. Attitude could be a bit of an issue, 1511 01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:15,640 Speaker 4: certainly fluid, So what are they gonna get back? I 1512 01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:18,280 Speaker 4: want to see that. The one that's most interesting to 1513 01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:21,880 Speaker 4: me is just Chris Paul because this is it, like 1514 01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,840 Speaker 4: it's the end of his career. Can he actually get 1515 01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:27,559 Speaker 4: through a postseason with a team that has a whole 1516 01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:32,080 Speaker 4: lot of hardware on the floor in terms of championships 1517 01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:36,719 Speaker 4: that they've won. Can they basically just you know, almost 1518 01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:38,720 Speaker 4: break glass in case of emergency when it comes to 1519 01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:43,280 Speaker 4: Chris Paul not come close to using him in full 1520 01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:47,759 Speaker 4: time minutes and then have him relatively fresh for the playoffs, 1521 01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:49,720 Speaker 4: and can he find a way to stay healthy. I 1522 01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:51,840 Speaker 4: think it's just because of Chris Paul and what we've 1523 01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:56,280 Speaker 4: always been told about Chris Paul, and you know that 1524 01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:59,360 Speaker 4: he's the greatest point guard that hadn't won a championship, 1525 01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:01,880 Speaker 4: and you know all the things that all the crazy 1526 01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:04,759 Speaker 4: superlatives that have been said about Chris Paul through the years. 1527 01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:08,080 Speaker 4: Now he's going to a team where you've got Steph 1528 01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:11,040 Speaker 4: and you've still got whatever Clay is at this point, 1529 01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:14,760 Speaker 4: maybe you're gonna have Draymond. You know, they're still trying 1530 01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:16,360 Speaker 4: to figure some things out. But that's a team with 1531 01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:20,840 Speaker 4: a pedigree that may have made himselves better. I think 1532 01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:23,240 Speaker 4: that by default I would say it's Chris Paul, even 1533 01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:25,080 Speaker 4: though I will be interested to see if the Beal 1534 01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:27,840 Speaker 4: thing can somehow if they can somehow make that work. 1535 01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:33,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I think I think Beal is probably more interesting. 1536 01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:36,080 Speaker 2: But I think Chris Paul, because of the name and recognition, 1537 01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:39,200 Speaker 2: is kind of its own entity. And we can talk 1538 01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:41,680 Speaker 2: about Beale later in the show, but really quickly, one 1539 01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:45,680 Speaker 2: thing I'll say about Chris Paul, I have largely not 1540 01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:50,519 Speaker 2: really enjoyed the Warriors dynasty. You know, it's a lot 1541 01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:53,519 Speaker 2: of arrogance. You know, we're light years ahead. Oh you're 1542 01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:56,200 Speaker 2: light years ahead because you signed the second best player 1543 01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:57,920 Speaker 2: in the league to a seventy three win team when 1544 01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:00,800 Speaker 2: you couldn't beat Lebron. I bring all that up to say, 1545 01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:02,599 Speaker 2: you know, one, I did enjoy the run two years 1546 01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:05,080 Speaker 2: ago when they won the title. You know, Steph kind 1547 01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:08,120 Speaker 2: of had his moment outside of KD. You can't really 1548 01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:09,679 Speaker 2: say that he was anything other than the best player 1549 01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:13,160 Speaker 2: in that series. I will say, though, I think I'll 1550 01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:16,920 Speaker 2: probably be sort of rooting for them next year. I 1551 01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:19,120 Speaker 2: don't want to see Chris Paul. I like the guy, 1552 01:17:19,479 --> 01:17:21,479 Speaker 2: and I get it. He's small, and he's kind of 1553 01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:24,960 Speaker 2: a confrontational guy, and he doesn't play the most sexy 1554 01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:29,880 Speaker 2: aesthetic game, but like all time great, plays so hard. 1555 01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:34,800 Speaker 2: His body has let him down so many times. And 1556 01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:36,240 Speaker 2: I think the other thing too, is I think he 1557 01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:38,960 Speaker 2: was kind of the fall guy in Phoenix this year, 1558 01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:42,479 Speaker 2: where it's like listen, I said the day the trade 1559 01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:45,120 Speaker 2: happened with Kevin Durant. I'm not saying you can't trade 1560 01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:48,400 Speaker 2: Kevin Durant, but when they made the finals in eleven 1561 01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:52,200 Speaker 2: or twenty twenty one, it was because of the dynamic 1562 01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:56,360 Speaker 2: play on the wing of Devin Booker, Cam Johnson and 1563 01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:59,320 Speaker 2: Michale Bridges and like to the point we brought up 1564 01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:01,640 Speaker 2: with Mark Madina, like, I don't think you can just 1565 01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:04,160 Speaker 2: win with three players and figure it out from there. 1566 01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:05,600 Speaker 2: And so again, I don't mean to steal from what 1567 01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:07,599 Speaker 2: we'll probably talk about later on the show with Bradley Beal, 1568 01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:09,920 Speaker 2: but I bring it up because I think Chris Paul 1569 01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:11,479 Speaker 2: kind of took a lot of the blame that he 1570 01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:14,639 Speaker 2: probably shouldn't have after they lost to a superior Nuggets 1571 01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:19,719 Speaker 2: team because that team was inherently flawed. You know, once 1572 01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:22,160 Speaker 2: they made that trade for Kevin Durant, there was some 1573 01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:26,719 Speaker 2: really good you know, you can't turn down draft signing 1574 01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:29,280 Speaker 2: Kevin Durant or trading for Kevin Durant, but it also 1575 01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:33,280 Speaker 2: left you inherently flawed as an organization. So I think 1576 01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:36,360 Speaker 2: Jason I might be rooting for the Warriors next year 1577 01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:38,639 Speaker 2: because I would like to see Chris Paul get that ring, 1578 01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:41,639 Speaker 2: even if he's not the central focus point like he's 1579 01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:42,880 Speaker 2: been throughout much of his career. 1580 01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:45,000 Speaker 4: Well, I would say that if you wanted to give 1581 01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:48,200 Speaker 4: it to Chris Paul in terms of blame, they won 1582 01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:51,280 Speaker 4: Game one with him, they were leading in Game two 1583 01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:54,120 Speaker 4: by double digits, are pretty close to it against Denver. 1584 01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:56,599 Speaker 4: Now I'm talking about when he went down with the 1585 01:18:56,640 --> 01:19:00,320 Speaker 4: injury and then they end up losing this series, really 1586 01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:03,720 Speaker 4: not being a factor after that point in time. But 1587 01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:05,640 Speaker 4: I think maybe they got it wrong twice, because I 1588 01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:08,000 Speaker 4: don't know if you blame Chris Paul other than just look, 1589 01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:10,840 Speaker 4: if you are betting on Chris Paul, if you are 1590 01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:15,680 Speaker 4: hinging your success on Chris Paul being available in the playoffs, 1591 01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:19,519 Speaker 4: that is a fool's errand to begin with. But I 1592 01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:23,640 Speaker 4: think the other thing is they blamed Manti Williams and 1593 01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:25,519 Speaker 4: they got him out and they bring in Frank Vogel 1594 01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:28,600 Speaker 4: and now they don't have anybody defensive for him to 1595 01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:32,040 Speaker 4: coach right now. And we'll see whether or not that changes. 1596 01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:35,000 Speaker 4: But you're right in that they got rid of all 1597 01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:36,880 Speaker 4: their defense, and they got rid of a lot of 1598 01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:40,280 Speaker 4: their depth, and this didn't This Beal move doesn't fix 1599 01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:44,920 Speaker 4: that at all, like not whatsoever. So that's I think 1600 01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:47,120 Speaker 4: both those moves are interesting. I think neither one of 1601 01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:49,839 Speaker 4: those teams is anywhere near as complete as the Nuggets 1602 01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:50,439 Speaker 4: in my opinion. 1603 01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:54,040 Speaker 2: Either Fox Sports Radio Air Trust Jason Martin broadcasting live 1604 01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:57,160 Speaker 2: from the tyreck dot Com studios. Plenty more NBA covers 1605 01:19:57,160 --> 01:20:00,160 Speaker 2: throughout the show, But when we come back, do you 1606 01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:02,760 Speaker 2: want to switch gears to the NBA? You talk about 1607 01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:05,759 Speaker 2: a team inherently flawed. It might be the Buffalo Bills 1608 01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:08,599 Speaker 2: going into the season that did not stop them from 1609 01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:10,520 Speaker 2: giving the coach to the extension yesterday. 1610 01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:12,360 Speaker 3: Should they have? That's next Foxwell Tradio. 1611 01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:17,160 Speaker 2: Welcome in Everybody, Hour three, Fox Sports Radio Er Torres 1612 01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:18,120 Speaker 2: Jason Martin. 1613 01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:20,240 Speaker 3: We are taking you up until two a m. 1614 01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:24,639 Speaker 2: Eastern Time, and we are live from the tire rack 1615 01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:28,240 Speaker 2: dot Com studios. Tyreck dot Com will help you get 1616 01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:32,280 Speaker 2: there an unmatched selection, fast free shipping, free road hazard protection, 1617 01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:36,160 Speaker 2: and over ten thousand recommended installers. Tyreck dot com the 1618 01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:37,760 Speaker 2: way tire buying should. 1619 01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:39,599 Speaker 3: Be halfway home. 1620 01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:42,519 Speaker 2: And we have frankly talked mostly NBA. If you missed 1621 01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:47,400 Speaker 2: our one, a lot of NBA draft coverage. When Benyama hype, 1622 01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:51,720 Speaker 2: what about number two? Brandon Miller talking about his all 1623 01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:55,000 Speaker 2: time goat, which was certainly an interesting quote, and then 1624 01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:56,360 Speaker 2: last hour a lot of NBA. 1625 01:20:56,479 --> 01:20:58,839 Speaker 3: Mark Medina joined us an hour. 1626 01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:01,600 Speaker 2: Two Our three, Jason, I do want to start with 1627 01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:05,280 Speaker 2: some NFL and you know, I'll be honest, I understand 1628 01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:09,160 Speaker 2: the role that NFL, that the NFL plays in our 1629 01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:13,000 Speaker 2: our jobs, in our livelihoods, and you know, you're always 1630 01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:16,320 Speaker 2: trying to find some football twist. America loves its NFL. 1631 01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:19,280 Speaker 2: But it felt like it was a largely quiet week. 1632 01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:23,879 Speaker 2: I didn't really find the Travis Kelcey quotes all that interesting. 1633 01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:26,439 Speaker 2: VJ and Martin did an excellent job turning it into 1634 01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:29,760 Speaker 2: a very compelling segment before we came on. I just 1635 01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:33,120 Speaker 2: didn't think it was that interesting. Aaron Rodgers was Aaron 1636 01:21:33,200 --> 01:21:36,320 Speaker 2: Rodgers was at some psychedelics convention this week. 1637 01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:36,160 Speaker 4: So. 1638 01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:40,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was interesting. I don't know if I 1639 01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:44,360 Speaker 2: have like a take on that. Unfortunately, Jason Smith I. 1640 01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:47,240 Speaker 4: Got what that had been last night. I had a 1641 01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:51,080 Speaker 4: clip of their show with him and Harmon, and basically 1642 01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:54,680 Speaker 4: he was suggesting that Aaron Rodgers is just going to 1643 01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:58,400 Speaker 4: be an incredible media star when he's done playing, because 1644 01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:00,559 Speaker 4: he's going to be able to put forth the kind 1645 01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:02,360 Speaker 4: of show like, if he wants to do the Aaron 1646 01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:06,160 Speaker 4: Rodgers show, think of the breadth of topics, because yeah, 1647 01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:08,640 Speaker 4: he can speak intelligently on the NFL, but he can 1648 01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:11,240 Speaker 4: also talk about Game of Thrones, but he can also 1649 01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:18,719 Speaker 4: talk about stuff like psychedelics and darkness retreats and new 1650 01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:23,360 Speaker 4: age you know, hooplah and holistic healing and all of 1651 01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:25,519 Speaker 4: this other stuff. He could be all over the place 1652 01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:28,200 Speaker 4: if he wants to be. I have no idea if 1653 01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:30,920 Speaker 4: that's what he'll want to do. But if he does that, 1654 01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:33,280 Speaker 4: I'm not saying that's a show for me. I'm saying 1655 01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:35,479 Speaker 4: there's a lot of people I can understand where Smith 1656 01:22:35,560 --> 01:22:36,360 Speaker 4: is coming from on that. 1657 01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:37,759 Speaker 3: See, it's funny. 1658 01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:40,719 Speaker 2: We actually during the break we heard the same clip 1659 01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:43,280 Speaker 2: and producer Pat and Chris on the board and I 1660 01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:44,440 Speaker 2: had the same conversation. 1661 01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:46,200 Speaker 3: Here's my question. 1662 01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:50,320 Speaker 2: I think there might be something to that, but I 1663 01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:52,400 Speaker 2: also think it could be the exact opposite as well. 1664 01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:56,400 Speaker 2: And my argument is, like, the only reason now if 1665 01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:58,840 Speaker 2: he starts talking about psychedelics and you know, I went 1666 01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:01,000 Speaker 2: on a darkness retreat and I camped in the woods 1667 01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:04,280 Speaker 2: for four months, and these are the stories, Like, yeah, 1668 01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:04,760 Speaker 2: that'll be. 1669 01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:07,360 Speaker 3: Interesting, but I do think. 1670 01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:09,320 Speaker 2: And I was telling the guys this is I remember 1671 01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:11,519 Speaker 2: talking to you about this a year ago, a year 1672 01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:13,000 Speaker 2: and a half ago. And I want to say I 1673 01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:15,160 Speaker 2: talked about with Arnie two. So I don't know if 1674 01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:18,519 Speaker 2: you were out one weekend or what. But here's my question. 1675 01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:25,360 Speaker 2: Is Aaron Rodgers like, like what Aaron Rodgers says wild stuff? Specifically, 1676 01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:27,439 Speaker 2: you know, Pat McAfee is usually the place where he's 1677 01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:30,240 Speaker 2: most comfortable and where he kind of speaks his truth whatever. 1678 01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:35,519 Speaker 2: Is he that interesting or is he that interesting because 1679 01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:38,120 Speaker 2: he's an NFL quarterback saying these things? And why I 1680 01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:39,800 Speaker 2: bring it up is because I was telling the guys 1681 01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:43,280 Speaker 2: is like, you know, part of the reason that I 1682 01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:46,320 Speaker 2: do think he's staying in the NFL, I think he 1683 01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:48,919 Speaker 2: loves football. I don't think he has the Tom Brady 1684 01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:52,000 Speaker 2: you know passion that maybe nobody has in the history 1685 01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:52,360 Speaker 2: of the sport. 1686 01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:53,400 Speaker 3: But I think he loves football. 1687 01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:58,160 Speaker 2: But I think part of it is that, like his 1688 01:23:58,280 --> 01:24:02,200 Speaker 2: opinion on stuff still mad, like Aaron Rodgers talking about 1689 01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:04,920 Speaker 2: the vaccine or Aaron Rodgers talking about this, or Aaron 1690 01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:08,200 Speaker 2: Rodgers talking about that. It's relevant because he's the quarterback 1691 01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:10,120 Speaker 2: of the now New York Jets, but before the Green 1692 01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:13,439 Speaker 2: Bay Packers, And I was telling the guys like, I 1693 01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:16,519 Speaker 2: don't know that his opinion on these random things is 1694 01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:18,920 Speaker 2: going to matter when he retires. Like, like what I 1695 01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:22,639 Speaker 2: was telling the guys was if he retires tomorrow, one, 1696 01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:26,040 Speaker 2: I don't even know if the Pat McAfee show wants him. 1697 01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:29,120 Speaker 2: And then two and I'm just using Pat McAfee as 1698 01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:34,640 Speaker 2: a hypothetical whatever, But two, I feel like, like, like, 1699 01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:40,160 Speaker 2: is is retired NFL quarterback talking about vaccines? 1700 01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:41,720 Speaker 3: Like is that gonna be. 1701 01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:45,360 Speaker 2: Newsworthy or is it only newsworthy because he's an active 1702 01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:49,000 Speaker 2: NFL player obviously fighting the system, fighting the fight. I 1703 01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:51,880 Speaker 2: just think part of like what makes him interesting is 1704 01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:54,120 Speaker 2: that he is an active athlete. 1705 01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:54,800 Speaker 3: Talking about these things. 1706 01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:58,799 Speaker 2: And I don't know if hey retired legend is talking 1707 01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:02,120 Speaker 2: about filling the blanks social topic, I don't know that 1708 01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:04,280 Speaker 2: people will care. I think people care because he's an 1709 01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:05,800 Speaker 2: active NFL player. Does that make sense? 1710 01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:07,639 Speaker 3: And then do you agree to disagree it does? 1711 01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:11,240 Speaker 4: I don't entirely agree. I think basically him being who 1712 01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:14,559 Speaker 4: he is as an NFL player and a quarterback got 1713 01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:17,360 Speaker 4: him in the door to where people care about what 1714 01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:19,960 Speaker 4: he's saying right now, But I think once you're in 1715 01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:24,200 Speaker 4: that door and you've created a space where those are 1716 01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:27,280 Speaker 4: things that you have said while you've been relevant as 1717 01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:31,280 Speaker 4: an NFL quarterback, that can follow you post career. Like 1718 01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:35,920 Speaker 4: we have instances of Brett Fahrv saying various things about 1719 01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:38,600 Speaker 4: various topics through the years. He'll pop on a podcast, 1720 01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:40,680 Speaker 4: You'll see him show up on like a Zoom Call 1721 01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:43,120 Speaker 4: or something on ESPN or on the news show or 1722 01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:45,559 Speaker 4: something like that, and he'll say something and it'll be 1723 01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:49,160 Speaker 4: it'll be a really relatively can interesting take. 1724 01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:53,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, is it only like like I just feel like 1725 01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:57,240 Speaker 2: though the only time those guys make headlines is when 1726 01:25:57,240 --> 01:25:59,840 Speaker 2: they say something absolutely bat you know. 1727 01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:02,479 Speaker 4: Now, I agree with that. I agree with that, but 1728 01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:05,280 Speaker 4: I'm saying he didn't create a space where that's a 1729 01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:07,840 Speaker 4: thing he was doing while he's a quarterback in Green Bay. 1730 01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:13,439 Speaker 4: Brett Varre started doing that long afterwards. Like we already 1731 01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:17,160 Speaker 4: know Aaron Rodgers for saying outlandish things, doing kind of 1732 01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:21,000 Speaker 4: wild things, being sort of his own guy, unique and 1733 01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:23,479 Speaker 4: all this stuff. And he's become captivating because of that 1734 01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:26,559 Speaker 4: because he's made sure he's been captivating through it, and 1735 01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:29,439 Speaker 4: he's had the media following him every step of the way. 1736 01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:34,719 Speaker 4: So he's created this version of himself that we're already 1737 01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:39,880 Speaker 4: fully aware of that isn't necessarily dependent on him being 1738 01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:42,519 Speaker 4: a football player anymore. Now some people are going to 1739 01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:44,840 Speaker 4: move off of that. But I think it's more that 1740 01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:47,800 Speaker 4: he got himself in the door, and he's known enough 1741 01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:53,720 Speaker 4: now for his takes on vaccines, psychedelic drugs, you know, 1742 01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:57,280 Speaker 4: hyahuasca tea and all of the things that Aaron Rodgers 1743 01:26:57,320 --> 01:26:59,960 Speaker 4: has been associated with through the years, and I think 1744 01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:04,280 Speaker 4: that's made him interesting and he's been intelligent enough, or 1745 01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:08,960 Speaker 4: at least he's been desired enough to go on different 1746 01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:12,400 Speaker 4: kinds of shows, different platforms. You talk about mcavie, I 1747 01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:14,680 Speaker 4: would mention Joe Rogan, I would mention somebody like I 1748 01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:16,800 Speaker 4: think Jason Smith mentioned Joe Rogan as a matter of fact, 1749 01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:22,160 Speaker 4: like it's just another example of bridging to a different audience, 1750 01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:25,080 Speaker 4: and I do think that there could be crossover appeal. 1751 01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:27,680 Speaker 4: I find an interesting topic that Jason brought up. I 1752 01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:31,080 Speaker 4: don't know that, again, that's not a show I think 1753 01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:33,360 Speaker 4: I would want to listen to. But I do think 1754 01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:36,400 Speaker 4: that a whole lot of people that do this for 1755 01:27:36,479 --> 01:27:39,280 Speaker 4: a living Eron will be pulling clips off that show 1756 01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:42,400 Speaker 4: or that podcast or whatever it is and using that 1757 01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:45,479 Speaker 4: for content, and that, right there might be enough to 1758 01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:47,120 Speaker 4: keep Aaron Rodgers relevant. 1759 01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:52,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that becomes the interesting question. And listen, 1760 01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:55,200 Speaker 2: I'm not in the like, it's not my place to say, 1761 01:27:55,240 --> 01:27:58,120 Speaker 2: like how many downloads would be considered a success, But like, 1762 01:27:58,439 --> 01:28:01,760 Speaker 2: I guess my point would be, would it just be 1763 01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:07,320 Speaker 2: a show that some some crazy clip like would would 1764 01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:09,760 Speaker 2: pop up and then everyone on our network and the 1765 01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:12,519 Speaker 2: other networks would react to it. But are people really 1766 01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:15,479 Speaker 2: consuming or is he just in his own little weird 1767 01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:18,559 Speaker 2: quarter of the internet saying crazy stuff and then because 1768 01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:20,920 Speaker 2: he is a former NFL quarterback, we're reacting to it. 1769 01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:23,200 Speaker 2: So I like, I guess the point I'm trying to 1770 01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:25,360 Speaker 2: make is like, would it actually be a popular show 1771 01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:27,960 Speaker 2: or would he just say really wild stuff that got 1772 01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:31,280 Speaker 2: us talking and then inherently, you know, maybe it becomes 1773 01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:34,639 Speaker 2: one and the same. Maybe it becomes popular because because 1774 01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:36,400 Speaker 2: of who he is and what he says. I don't know, 1775 01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:39,360 Speaker 2: It's it is an interesting conversation. I thought Jason and 1776 01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:40,920 Speaker 2: Mike and the the clip that I heard did a 1777 01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:43,920 Speaker 2: good job with it, and I agree. I do think 1778 01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:46,160 Speaker 2: it'll be it'll be interesting to see what what he 1779 01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:48,759 Speaker 2: chooses to do kind of in his post football life. 1780 01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:52,920 Speaker 2: Obviously Tom Brady, you know Tom Brady this year is 1781 01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:55,040 Speaker 2: stepping away from football. Then we expect to see him 1782 01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:58,559 Speaker 2: in the booth with Fox Aaron Rodgers. I could see him, 1783 01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:01,320 Speaker 2: you know, doing a number of different things. You know, 1784 01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:03,240 Speaker 2: it's interesting now that I'm thinking about it. I could 1785 01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:06,560 Speaker 2: see Aaron Rodgers, like, yeah, having some like weird podcast 1786 01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:10,400 Speaker 2: thing where you know, conspiracy theories and whatever, and making headlines. 1787 01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:13,320 Speaker 2: I could also just see him being like completely off 1788 01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:13,759 Speaker 2: the radar. 1789 01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:15,360 Speaker 4: I could see that too. Yeah. I was gonna say 1790 01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:17,479 Speaker 4: it could be a recluse. I mean he could literally 1791 01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:20,679 Speaker 4: just go throw it. I don't mean throw it, he's 1792 01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:22,920 Speaker 4: throwing it for a living now, I mean throw it 1793 01:29:23,080 --> 01:29:26,240 Speaker 4: like Henry David the Row, like go into the wilderness 1794 01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:30,920 Speaker 4: and disappear. Like you could see that. It's possible. He's 1795 01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:33,720 Speaker 4: just you don't really know with that guy. I think 1796 01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:36,439 Speaker 4: it's gonna be fascinating to see what his post NFL 1797 01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:38,559 Speaker 4: career looks like. But luckily we get to see him 1798 01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:40,800 Speaker 4: in a Jets uniform first, and that's gonna be fascinating 1799 01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:43,160 Speaker 4: in its own right, as is the rest of that division, 1800 01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:44,960 Speaker 4: which I know was what we were gonna talk about 1801 01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:47,719 Speaker 4: before we started talking about Aaron Rodgers' upcoming talk show 1802 01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:48,679 Speaker 4: that doesn't exist. 1803 01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:49,479 Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you what. 1804 01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:52,920 Speaker 2: We were gonna talk an extension in Buffalo that had 1805 01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:54,479 Speaker 2: us both kind of scratching our heads. 1806 01:29:54,760 --> 01:29:56,679 Speaker 3: We'll go ahead and do that next. 1807 01:29:57,160 --> 01:29:59,800 Speaker 2: Eric Torres Jason Martin here on a Saturday night now 1808 01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:01,720 Speaker 2: on the East Coach should mention, by the way, we 1809 01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:03,920 Speaker 2: are brought to you by Progressive Insurance. 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Aaron Torris, 1818 01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:33,760 Speaker 2: Jason Martin broadcasting live from thee Tyreck dot Com studios, 1819 01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:37,160 Speaker 2: and I did tease at the top of the hour 1820 01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:39,960 Speaker 2: that we would be talking the big news out of 1821 01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:42,360 Speaker 2: Buffalo got a little sidetracked there in a fun way. 1822 01:30:42,360 --> 01:30:44,519 Speaker 2: We're allowed to have some fun here on a Saturday night, 1823 01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:47,639 Speaker 2: Sunday morning, depending on where you are talking Aaron Rodgers 1824 01:30:47,720 --> 01:30:50,000 Speaker 2: future after the NBA. Would he be good in the media, 1825 01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:51,400 Speaker 2: would he be bad in the media? 1826 01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:52,799 Speaker 3: Would he just be weird? 1827 01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:56,360 Speaker 2: And what would that mean for I don't know, well, 1828 01:30:56,560 --> 01:30:57,479 Speaker 2: whatever he's gonna do. 1829 01:30:57,560 --> 01:30:58,880 Speaker 3: So we talked about that. 1830 01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:03,200 Speaker 2: But outside of Aaron Rodgers literally being at a psychedelic 1831 01:31:03,240 --> 01:31:07,639 Speaker 2: conference this week, there was other news in the AFC East, 1832 01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:11,120 Speaker 2: you know, a little different news, but news nonetheless, And 1833 01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:13,839 Speaker 2: it did come out of Buffalo, and and and actually, Jason, 1834 01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:16,600 Speaker 2: you were the Adam schefter on this one, because I 1835 01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:20,160 Speaker 2: did not see this until you texted me yesterday on Friday. 1836 01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:24,719 Speaker 2: But Sean McDermott, head coach of the Buffalo Bills, gets 1837 01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:27,920 Speaker 2: an extension. Obviously, so did Brandon being the GM but 1838 01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:33,559 Speaker 2: both got extensions through the twenty twenty seven season. And 1839 01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:36,960 Speaker 2: I guess I gonna say Jason is, on the one hand, 1840 01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:42,559 Speaker 2: I've been very critical of the Bills this offseason. I 1841 01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:43,760 Speaker 2: think a lot of people have. I mean, the way 1842 01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:46,640 Speaker 2: last season ended. You know, this was a team that 1843 01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:50,639 Speaker 2: was the super Bowl favorites coming into last year based 1844 01:31:50,680 --> 01:31:52,640 Speaker 2: on you know, based on a close loss to the 1845 01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:55,720 Speaker 2: Kansas City Chiefs the year before. So they're they're the 1846 01:31:55,760 --> 01:31:59,200 Speaker 2: super Bowl favorites. They lose a Divisional round game at 1847 01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:04,519 Speaker 2: home to the Cincinnati Bengals, do not advance to uh uh, 1848 01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:06,479 Speaker 2: you know, to the AFC Championship Game. 1849 01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:09,280 Speaker 3: And it was a weird. It was a weird end 1850 01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:09,840 Speaker 3: to the season. 1851 01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:12,200 Speaker 2: They easily could have lost to to the Miami Dolphins 1852 01:32:12,200 --> 01:32:14,000 Speaker 2: in the round before, So on the one hand, I 1853 01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:16,000 Speaker 2: was very surprised by it. On the other hand, I 1854 01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:17,960 Speaker 2: did see a stat kind of in the press release 1855 01:32:18,040 --> 01:32:20,280 Speaker 2: that that did kind of jump out to me, which 1856 01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:23,400 Speaker 2: is that this is now the they're entering the seventh 1857 01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:29,480 Speaker 2: season together McDermott and Bean and that overall, Sean McDermott 1858 01:32:29,479 --> 01:32:32,599 Speaker 2: has a four and five postseason record as the head 1859 01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:33,639 Speaker 2: coach of the Buffalo Bills. 1860 01:32:34,160 --> 01:32:35,400 Speaker 3: And I just thought about this. 1861 01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:38,840 Speaker 2: Jason, is that I don't I think I could be 1862 01:32:39,040 --> 01:32:42,800 Speaker 2: on either side of this argument that he does or 1863 01:32:42,840 --> 01:32:46,799 Speaker 2: does not deserve an extension for this reason. It's because, 1864 01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:50,480 Speaker 2: on the one hand, last year was a very disappointing, 1865 01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:53,960 Speaker 2: bizarre end to the season. On the other hand, the 1866 01:32:54,040 --> 01:32:57,320 Speaker 2: man has coached nine playoff games as the head coach 1867 01:32:57,360 --> 01:33:00,599 Speaker 2: of the Buffalo Bills, and please keep in that they 1868 01:33:00,640 --> 01:33:04,479 Speaker 2: went from nineteen ninety seven to twenty seventeen without making 1869 01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:07,720 Speaker 2: the playoffs at all. So it's very clear that he 1870 01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:11,200 Speaker 2: has taken that organization to another level. But I could 1871 01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:13,800 Speaker 2: also see the argument that I just laid out. I know, 1872 01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:15,200 Speaker 2: I just did the whole thing where I made both 1873 01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:17,360 Speaker 2: sides of the argument. I could see the other side 1874 01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:19,040 Speaker 2: of the argument, which is it was weird to end 1875 01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:21,720 Speaker 2: last year. What happens if something weird happens this year? 1876 01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:24,800 Speaker 2: I went long, Jason, the floor is yours. But as 1877 01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:27,160 Speaker 2: I was reading the press release, it just struck me 1878 01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:30,799 Speaker 2: this organization really has come a long way under his watch. 1879 01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:32,760 Speaker 2: I guess the big question now is can they take 1880 01:33:32,760 --> 01:33:35,479 Speaker 2: that final step and really compete at the highest level 1881 01:33:35,479 --> 01:33:36,120 Speaker 2: for a Super Bowl. 1882 01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:38,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, his first season's coach, they went to the playoffs. 1883 01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:40,800 Speaker 4: You just laid out the timeline. It had been a 1884 01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:43,400 Speaker 4: long time since the Bills have been in the playoffs. 1885 01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:46,560 Speaker 4: Sixty two and thirty five overall, four to five in 1886 01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:49,439 Speaker 4: postseasons not great, but at least they played nine postseason games. 1887 01:33:49,439 --> 01:33:54,679 Speaker 4: As you mentioned, he was under contract as was being 1888 01:33:55,040 --> 01:33:59,400 Speaker 4: the general manager through twenty twenty five, so this adds 1889 01:33:59,439 --> 01:34:02,519 Speaker 4: a couple of years. And what I sense you, I 1890 01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:04,120 Speaker 4: was just kind of like, I'm a little surprised by 1891 01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:07,080 Speaker 4: the extension because it didn't seem necessary. But I think 1892 01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:10,240 Speaker 4: the bigger question, and the question I don't think we 1893 01:34:10,280 --> 01:34:12,080 Speaker 4: have an answer to as of yet, is what does 1894 01:34:12,120 --> 01:34:14,479 Speaker 4: it really say in the contract. I saw that from 1895 01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:17,080 Speaker 4: Florio and some other folks. Is like, until you actually 1896 01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:20,080 Speaker 4: see the language in the contract, you have no idea 1897 01:34:20,120 --> 01:34:23,479 Speaker 4: what the security level actually is or whether or not. 1898 01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:27,559 Speaker 4: I think Florio actually termed it window dressing. But I 1899 01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:30,400 Speaker 4: kind of look at it and I initially thought, well, 1900 01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:33,000 Speaker 4: why would you do that. I mean, let's see what 1901 01:34:33,040 --> 01:34:34,840 Speaker 4: he does this year. It feels like it's a pretty 1902 01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:38,880 Speaker 4: important year for Sean McDermott. But I mean, we just 1903 01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:45,000 Speaker 4: saw Kingsbury and Kime out on their rears in Arizona 1904 01:34:45,320 --> 01:34:49,479 Speaker 4: after extension signed in the off season. You know, Kyler 1905 01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:52,640 Speaker 4: got paid and all this stuff, but Cliff is still out. 1906 01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:56,280 Speaker 4: It's possible that you do this, especially if it is 1907 01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:59,800 Speaker 4: more window dressing than anything else, so that you can say, hey, look, bro, 1908 01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:03,479 Speaker 4: we had all the faith in the world in you, 1909 01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:09,720 Speaker 4: we extended your contacts through twenty and twenty seven, and 1910 01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:11,559 Speaker 4: then this year you didn't get it done, and maybe 1911 01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:13,760 Speaker 4: it gives you even more leverage and puts a little 1912 01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:15,960 Speaker 4: more pressure on McDermott. I don't know. But here's the 1913 01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:19,679 Speaker 4: other thing. I don't think that the metric to get 1914 01:35:19,720 --> 01:35:23,360 Speaker 4: an extension in the NFL as a coach should be 1915 01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:26,439 Speaker 4: a Super Bowl, even if you've been really good, and 1916 01:35:26,479 --> 01:35:28,559 Speaker 4: even if you feel like maybe you should have gotten 1917 01:35:28,600 --> 01:35:31,840 Speaker 4: there by now, because there's a lot of coaches that 1918 01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:34,559 Speaker 4: have gotten extensions that haven't been nearer a Super Bowl 1919 01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:37,839 Speaker 4: in a very, very long time. And I still wouldn't 1920 01:35:37,880 --> 01:35:40,760 Speaker 4: say they should lose their gigs either, So I kind 1921 01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:43,360 Speaker 4: of I'm kind of on both sides of the fence too. 1922 01:35:43,400 --> 01:35:45,000 Speaker 4: I can see why you wouldn't do it because it 1923 01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:48,880 Speaker 4: doesn't seem like it's necessary, but I also don't know 1924 01:35:48,920 --> 01:35:52,320 Speaker 4: if it means anything outside of just hey, we extended 1925 01:35:52,360 --> 01:35:54,920 Speaker 4: our coach and our general manager. But it doesn't change 1926 01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:56,439 Speaker 4: the fact that if we don't like this at the 1927 01:35:56,520 --> 01:35:57,760 Speaker 4: end of the year and we feel like it's going 1928 01:35:57,800 --> 01:35:59,880 Speaker 4: in the wrong direction or maybe it's hit a ceiling, 1929 01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:02,640 Speaker 4: then we're still going to make a move. So it 1930 01:36:02,680 --> 01:36:04,599 Speaker 4: may not end up being that big a deal in 1931 01:36:04,640 --> 01:36:08,160 Speaker 4: the end. But I do think that McDermott's kind of 1932 01:36:08,160 --> 01:36:11,640 Speaker 4: in that Monty Williams stage right now where he has 1933 01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:13,400 Speaker 4: a lot of respect. He's won a lot of games 1934 01:36:13,400 --> 01:36:16,200 Speaker 4: for a franchise that had not seen a lot in 1935 01:36:16,280 --> 01:36:18,400 Speaker 4: the years before he got there, or it had been 1936 01:36:18,439 --> 01:36:21,720 Speaker 4: a while since they had been relevant. But if he 1937 01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:25,800 Speaker 4: fails it again and they don't look the problem, I 1938 01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:28,719 Speaker 4: think the biggest problem, Aaron is how they got knocked 1939 01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:32,400 Speaker 4: out of the playoffs as past. That was so strange. 1940 01:36:32,640 --> 01:36:34,760 Speaker 4: It was it was just, I mean, they didn't even 1941 01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:38,640 Speaker 4: look like they belonged in the same league with that 1942 01:36:38,680 --> 01:36:40,800 Speaker 4: team that beat them down in that game. That was 1943 01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:43,000 Speaker 4: what was so odd about. It wasn't like the Chiefs 1944 01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:45,120 Speaker 4: game where it went to overtime and they lost a 1945 01:36:45,120 --> 01:36:47,600 Speaker 4: coin toss and as a result they missed out on 1946 01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:49,760 Speaker 4: a Super Bowl, which again, if you want to go 1947 01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:52,960 Speaker 4: back and point that out, had they won the coin toss, 1948 01:36:53,240 --> 01:36:55,800 Speaker 4: McDermott may have a super Bowl under his belt right now, 1949 01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:58,200 Speaker 4: but that's not how it ended up playing out. So 1950 01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:02,600 Speaker 4: I'm not like angry by the move. I was just 1951 01:37:02,680 --> 01:37:05,519 Speaker 4: surprised just because I felt like maybe they were gonna 1952 01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:07,639 Speaker 4: put him in a prove it situation this year. 1953 01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:12,080 Speaker 2: No I and I I, so I am surprised because 1954 01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:13,800 Speaker 2: I did think that they were going to put them 1955 01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:17,920 Speaker 2: in a proved situation this year. Yeah, it's just one 1956 01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:20,720 Speaker 2: of those, Like you said, it's the way the thing ended, right, 1957 01:37:20,760 --> 01:37:23,599 Speaker 2: I mean, if they injuries this that the other thing 1958 01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:25,559 Speaker 2: and the one thing I also pushed back on Jason. 1959 01:37:25,680 --> 01:37:27,760 Speaker 2: I know you said that making a super Bowl or 1960 01:37:27,760 --> 01:37:31,320 Speaker 2: winning a super Bowl shouldn't be the threshold to get 1961 01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:34,240 Speaker 2: an extension or get a raise or get whatever. I 1962 01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:37,879 Speaker 2: will say, like there are different like there are different 1963 01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:42,120 Speaker 2: you know different I guess how do I put this, 1964 01:37:42,200 --> 01:37:47,320 Speaker 2: like thresholds for different people. And one I don't have 1965 01:37:47,360 --> 01:37:50,040 Speaker 2: a problem with that now being the expectation in Buffalo 1966 01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:53,679 Speaker 2: because you have your franchise quarterback, You've won the division 1967 01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:56,840 Speaker 2: several times, you competed at the highest level with Casey 1968 01:37:56,880 --> 01:37:59,120 Speaker 2: two years ago, So I have no problem with that 1969 01:37:59,200 --> 01:38:00,840 Speaker 2: being the threshold. Not I'm not saying that he needs 1970 01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:04,280 Speaker 2: to be fired if they if they go to Arrowhead 1971 01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:06,719 Speaker 2: for the AFC Championship game this year and end up losing, 1972 01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:10,439 Speaker 2: you know, and it's close and it's competitive and all 1973 01:38:10,439 --> 01:38:13,559 Speaker 2: that stuff. What I would also say, though, is I 1974 01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:16,479 Speaker 2: do wonder is is we've seen this in sports a 1975 01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:20,040 Speaker 2: million times, Jason, Is that guys, and I'm sure you 1976 01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:23,320 Speaker 2: know girls too in female sports, But in the NBA 1977 01:38:23,439 --> 01:38:27,720 Speaker 2: and the NFL and whatever, sometimes there's the guy that 1978 01:38:27,800 --> 01:38:32,599 Speaker 2: can take you from like zero to whatever, and then 1979 01:38:33,200 --> 01:38:35,599 Speaker 2: you need the next guy to get you over the mountain. 1980 01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:39,040 Speaker 2: I'll give you a very random example, but I remember, 1981 01:38:40,360 --> 01:38:42,880 Speaker 2: you know, for years, like like stan Van Gundy or 1982 01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:45,080 Speaker 2: you know, Tom Thibodau might be a good example of this, right, 1983 01:38:45,200 --> 01:38:49,040 Speaker 2: is like Tom Thibodau, Like, if you're terrible, Tom Thibodeau 1984 01:38:49,160 --> 01:38:53,040 Speaker 2: is gonna squeeze every ounce out of your roster and 1985 01:38:53,120 --> 01:38:54,960 Speaker 2: he's gonna take a team that maybe you would have 1986 01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:57,120 Speaker 2: won twenty five games and you're gonna win forty one 1987 01:38:57,200 --> 01:38:57,680 Speaker 2: games and. 1988 01:38:57,640 --> 01:38:58,480 Speaker 3: Go to the playoffs. 1989 01:38:59,040 --> 01:39:01,679 Speaker 2: But is he that that As your guys get older 1990 01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:04,880 Speaker 2: and they get more comfortable and they are professionals, Like 1991 01:39:05,080 --> 01:39:08,320 Speaker 2: do you want Tom Thibodeau that's running four hour practices 1992 01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:10,800 Speaker 2: as your head coach. Can can Tom Thibodeau get you 1993 01:39:11,120 --> 01:39:13,800 Speaker 2: from zero to whatever? But you need that next got 1994 01:39:13,800 --> 01:39:16,080 Speaker 2: to get you over the top. And I do wonder 1995 01:39:16,080 --> 01:39:18,600 Speaker 2: if Sean McDermott is that guy took him from the 1996 01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:21,519 Speaker 2: bottom of the barrel, couldn't make the playoffs, didn't make 1997 01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:24,840 Speaker 2: the playoffs and whatever it was eighteen seasons to now 1998 01:39:24,920 --> 01:39:27,639 Speaker 2: whatever it is, four playoff appearances in six years, something 1999 01:39:27,720 --> 01:39:31,240 Speaker 2: like that. Obviously one AFC Championship game they were thirteen 2000 01:39:31,320 --> 01:39:32,479 Speaker 2: seconds away from a second. 2001 01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:32,840 Speaker 4: One. 2002 01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:36,840 Speaker 2: We don't know, And apparently we're not gonna find out 2003 01:39:36,840 --> 01:39:38,280 Speaker 2: in the next year or two, because it sounds like 2004 01:39:38,280 --> 01:39:39,720 Speaker 2: he's gonna be there for a while. But that was 2005 01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:41,960 Speaker 2: something coming out of last year that I thought, is 2006 01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:44,960 Speaker 2: that maybe sometimes in life you just need a new 2007 01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:47,479 Speaker 2: voice in the locker room. Maybe we have a guy 2008 01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:49,200 Speaker 2: that it can get you to a certain level, but 2009 01:39:49,320 --> 01:39:50,559 Speaker 2: not that final level. 2010 01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:54,360 Speaker 3: But I thought Sean Sean McDermott might be that guy. 2011 01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:56,840 Speaker 2: But apparently we're not gonna find out anytime soon if 2012 01:39:56,880 --> 01:39:59,720 Speaker 2: he isn't, because even if he struggles going forward, it 2013 01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:01,439 Speaker 2: sound like he's gonna have this job for a few years. 2014 01:40:01,479 --> 01:40:04,880 Speaker 4: I do think there's a there's a relevant point that 2015 01:40:04,960 --> 01:40:08,040 Speaker 4: you made about I do think the expectation in Buffalo 2016 01:40:08,360 --> 01:40:10,880 Speaker 4: could be a Super Bowl. I can understand that. I 2017 01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:12,720 Speaker 4: will say it right here in Nashville, a team that 2018 01:40:12,760 --> 01:40:15,680 Speaker 4: I used to cover on a daily basis. After the 2019 01:40:15,720 --> 01:40:20,800 Speaker 4: twenty twenty one season, Mike Vrabel and general manager John 2020 01:40:20,880 --> 01:40:25,080 Speaker 4: Robinson got extensions. Vrabel of course lost in his first 2021 01:40:25,080 --> 01:40:27,960 Speaker 4: playoff game that year, and that was of course of 2022 01:40:27,960 --> 01:40:29,720 Speaker 4: the year they were the number one overall seat and 2023 01:40:29,800 --> 01:40:34,559 Speaker 4: John Robinson would be fired mid season after the Eagles game, 2024 01:40:35,520 --> 01:40:38,320 Speaker 4: largely probably do the aj Brown move, but maybe a 2025 01:40:38,360 --> 01:40:41,320 Speaker 4: conglomeration of other factors that had just kind of escalated 2026 01:40:41,360 --> 01:40:46,559 Speaker 4: to where it became untenable. But I would again just 2027 01:40:46,640 --> 01:40:50,719 Speaker 4: say I take this extension with a grain of salt 2028 01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:53,439 Speaker 4: in terms of how binding it actually is. Sure Like 2029 01:40:53,479 --> 01:40:55,679 Speaker 4: if he ended up being let go after this year, 2030 01:40:55,720 --> 01:40:57,840 Speaker 4: I don't think we say, but he just signed an extension, 2031 01:40:57,880 --> 01:41:00,400 Speaker 4: because I just don't know the extensions anymore worth the 2032 01:41:00,400 --> 01:41:01,320 Speaker 4: paper they're printed on. 2033 01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:03,720 Speaker 3: Interesting thought. Interesting thought. 2034 01:41:03,800 --> 01:41:05,800 Speaker 2: And then I think, as you said, Jason, it is 2035 01:41:05,880 --> 01:41:09,120 Speaker 2: going to come down to, really, as you just said, 2036 01:41:09,320 --> 01:41:11,519 Speaker 2: what does that extension look like? How easy is it 2037 01:41:11,560 --> 01:41:13,840 Speaker 2: to get out of it if things do not go well, 2038 01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:16,880 Speaker 2: but it is something definitely worth monitoring coming up. 2039 01:41:17,120 --> 01:41:19,160 Speaker 3: Jason, I actually want to switch gears to baseball. 2040 01:41:19,600 --> 01:41:21,400 Speaker 2: They're in London, as the saga is going to tell 2041 01:41:21,400 --> 01:41:24,720 Speaker 2: you momentarily, and Rob Manford had some interesting comments. 2042 01:41:24,320 --> 01:41:26,839 Speaker 3: That got the wheels in my head turning. 2043 01:41:27,240 --> 01:41:30,360 Speaker 2: Or discuss that next, first news desk to saga, what 2044 01:41:30,400 --> 01:41:31,640 Speaker 2: do you got to saga. 2045 01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:34,599 Speaker 6: Well, we have not a shutout in Colorado. 2046 01:41:34,160 --> 01:41:36,639 Speaker 3: So two, I want to district that right. 2047 01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:39,200 Speaker 6: Someone not interested in history in a home run in 2048 01:41:39,240 --> 01:41:41,200 Speaker 6: the bottom of the eighth. So the Angels win was 2049 01:41:41,240 --> 01:41:44,320 Speaker 6: twenty five to one over the Rockies, would have been 2050 01:41:44,360 --> 01:41:48,719 Speaker 6: the largest margin in a shutout in MLB history. Instead, 2051 01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:52,160 Speaker 6: they'll take a mere twenty five to one victory. And 2052 01:41:52,160 --> 01:41:54,680 Speaker 6: fan sided reports after the game that the Angels are 2053 01:41:54,720 --> 01:41:59,360 Speaker 6: acquiring infielder Mike mustak Is from Colorado, to which someone 2054 01:41:59,400 --> 01:42:02,519 Speaker 6: then tweeted, Wow, the guy goes from losing twenty five 2055 01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:05,120 Speaker 6: to one to winning twenty five to one. It's just 2056 01:42:05,160 --> 01:42:06,200 Speaker 6: a matter of moments. 2057 01:42:06,240 --> 01:42:07,759 Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like he just had a pretty 2058 01:42:07,760 --> 01:42:09,559 Speaker 2: good audition and he didn't pass that audition. 2059 01:42:09,680 --> 01:42:11,680 Speaker 3: But all right, the fact that they were the. 2060 01:42:11,640 --> 01:42:13,439 Speaker 4: Fact that it was twenty five to one, and sho 2061 01:42:13,520 --> 01:42:16,600 Speaker 4: hey Otani went one for seven with two strikeouts. Is 2062 01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:19,080 Speaker 4: that might be the most amazing part of the whole thing. 2063 01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:21,680 Speaker 6: It's literally a first in MLB history. You have an 2064 01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:24,040 Speaker 6: MVP on your team, he gets one hit and your 2065 01:42:24,040 --> 01:42:28,040 Speaker 6: team scores twenty five. Never happened before. Thirteen runs in 2066 01:42:28,080 --> 01:42:31,280 Speaker 6: the top of the third, including four homers in that frame, 2067 01:42:31,920 --> 01:42:35,479 Speaker 6: the Angels end a three game losing streak. Washington shut 2068 01:42:35,479 --> 01:42:38,120 Speaker 6: out the Padres two nothing. Dodgers came back to beat 2069 01:42:38,120 --> 01:42:40,360 Speaker 6: Houston eight to seven, go ahead run scored on a 2070 01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:42,920 Speaker 6: balk in the eighth. There was a game in London 2071 01:42:42,920 --> 01:42:46,080 Speaker 6: today on Fox TV, Cubs over the Cardinals nine to one. 2072 01:42:46,160 --> 01:42:48,679 Speaker 6: Cubs have won four straight. They led seven to nothing 2073 01:42:48,680 --> 01:42:51,360 Speaker 6: in the fourth inning the loss to Adam Wainwright. He 2074 01:42:51,400 --> 01:42:55,280 Speaker 6: went three plus inning, seven runs eleven hits allowed. He 2075 01:42:55,400 --> 01:42:57,519 Speaker 6: in half with two homers for the Cubs and Saint 2076 01:42:57,600 --> 01:43:00,600 Speaker 6: Louis pitcher Jack Flaherty was scratched from some start in 2077 01:43:00,680 --> 01:43:04,120 Speaker 6: London due to a tight hip. Ten inning win for 2078 01:43:04,280 --> 01:43:07,360 Speaker 6: Baltimore on a home run beating Saint Louis Seattle, I 2079 01:43:07,360 --> 01:43:10,160 Speaker 6: should say six to four, and it was Miami coming 2080 01:43:10,200 --> 01:43:13,439 Speaker 6: back for an eleven inning win over Pittsburgh four to three. 2081 01:43:13,520 --> 01:43:16,080 Speaker 6: Luis Ariaz of the Marlins a two run homer and 2082 01:43:16,120 --> 01:43:19,799 Speaker 6: two walks. He's batting four to oh one. The Giants 2083 01:43:19,800 --> 01:43:23,080 Speaker 6: speed Arizona seven to six. Diamondbacks first in the NL 2084 01:43:23,120 --> 01:43:26,839 Speaker 6: West game and a half over the Giants and the Yankees. 2085 01:43:26,840 --> 01:43:27,320 Speaker 4: Gotta win. 2086 01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:31,280 Speaker 6: Mets got to win victories for Kansas City, but not Oakland. 2087 01:43:31,360 --> 01:43:35,400 Speaker 6: Toronto beat the A's seven to three. For US Men's soccer, 2088 01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:38,880 Speaker 6: a late score to tie. Jamaica one won the final 2089 01:43:38,920 --> 01:43:41,760 Speaker 6: on FS one from Chicago this evening. This opened the 2090 01:43:41,760 --> 01:43:45,759 Speaker 6: Gold Cup Tournament, our region's championship. The Americans had sixty 2091 01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:48,839 Speaker 6: eight percent of the possession but were nearly shut out. 2092 01:43:48,640 --> 01:43:49,120 Speaker 4: In this one. 2093 01:43:49,160 --> 01:43:52,439 Speaker 6: They out shot Jamaica thirteen to six. The star of 2094 01:43:52,479 --> 01:43:55,759 Speaker 6: the game goalie Matt Turner, one of the seven players 2095 01:43:55,800 --> 01:43:58,240 Speaker 6: from the US World Cup team last year that's on 2096 01:43:58,400 --> 01:44:02,360 Speaker 6: this tournament's roster. Turner stopped a penalty kick in the 2097 01:44:02,360 --> 01:44:05,720 Speaker 6: first half. He plays for Arsenal, mostly MLS players this 2098 01:44:05,840 --> 01:44:08,760 Speaker 6: tournament for the US team. NBA Rookie of the Year 2099 01:44:08,840 --> 01:44:12,080 Speaker 6: Polo ban Carroll will reportedly play for the USA this 2100 01:44:12,200 --> 01:44:13,880 Speaker 6: summer at the Basketball World Cup. 2101 01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:16,040 Speaker 3: Back to you, thank you very much. Steve Sager. 2102 01:44:16,080 --> 01:44:18,439 Speaker 2: Disager will rejoin us here in about ten minutes for 2103 01:44:18,520 --> 01:44:19,559 Speaker 2: his extended update. 2104 01:44:19,680 --> 01:44:21,120 Speaker 3: Excited to hear from the. 2105 01:44:21,200 --> 01:44:25,479 Speaker 2: Sager Fox Sports Radio aer Torres, Jason Martin broadcasting live 2106 01:44:25,560 --> 01:44:30,720 Speaker 2: from the Tyreck dot Com studios and Jason, So, a 2107 01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:34,400 Speaker 2: couple things are going on here in baseball right now. One, 2108 01:44:34,760 --> 01:44:37,320 Speaker 2: this London series is going on between the Cubs and 2109 01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:40,400 Speaker 2: the Cardinals, and with it going on, obviously it's a 2110 01:44:40,439 --> 01:44:44,120 Speaker 2: showcase for Major League Baseball. And Rob Manfred is in 2111 01:44:44,160 --> 01:44:46,200 Speaker 2: London right now with the two teams, or at least 2112 01:44:46,200 --> 01:44:48,920 Speaker 2: he was to start the series, and was asked about 2113 01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:52,960 Speaker 2: something that he said a few days ago. If you remember, 2114 01:44:53,000 --> 01:44:56,439 Speaker 2: about ten or so days ago in Oakland, they had 2115 01:44:56,520 --> 01:45:02,040 Speaker 2: the reverse protest, you know, basically you know, the reverse boycott, 2116 01:45:02,080 --> 01:45:04,200 Speaker 2: I should say, is what it was called. Or basically, 2117 01:45:04,479 --> 01:45:07,759 Speaker 2: you know, rather than boycotting the team, the fans showed 2118 01:45:07,840 --> 01:45:11,080 Speaker 2: up to support the team and show their disdain for 2119 01:45:11,200 --> 01:45:15,040 Speaker 2: ownership basically just you know, basically saying hey, you know, 2120 01:45:15,120 --> 01:45:17,439 Speaker 2: we're not the reason that this team is leaving. So 2121 01:45:17,560 --> 01:45:20,280 Speaker 2: Rob Manfred at the time had some very incense you know, 2122 01:45:20,439 --> 01:45:25,280 Speaker 2: deemed insensitive comments about that whole situation. He essentially said, basically, 2123 01:45:25,880 --> 01:45:27,680 Speaker 2: you know, a couple more thousand and they would have 2124 01:45:27,720 --> 01:45:30,280 Speaker 2: the average crowd in Major League Baseball. Rubbed a lot 2125 01:45:30,280 --> 01:45:32,280 Speaker 2: of people the wrong way, so he wanted to clarify 2126 01:45:32,320 --> 01:45:35,120 Speaker 2: those comments while he was in London. He said, my 2127 01:45:35,160 --> 01:45:37,599 Speaker 2: comment about Oakland was that I feel sorry for fans 2128 01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:40,920 Speaker 2: that it that it was my initial and preference that 2129 01:45:40,960 --> 01:45:43,400 Speaker 2: we find a solution in Oakland. The comment that I 2130 01:45:43,439 --> 01:45:45,559 Speaker 2: made about the fans on a particular night was taken 2131 01:45:45,560 --> 01:45:48,840 Speaker 2: out of context. Of those large remarks, I feel sorry 2132 01:45:48,880 --> 01:45:50,800 Speaker 2: for the fan. Da da da da dah. And then 2133 01:45:50,840 --> 01:45:53,280 Speaker 2: he continued, he said, we hate to move. We did 2134 01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:57,960 Speaker 2: everything we could possibly do to keep the club in Oakland. Unfortunately, 2135 01:45:58,120 --> 01:46:00,599 Speaker 2: one night he's talking about one, twenty seven thousand fans 2136 01:46:00,600 --> 01:46:04,080 Speaker 2: showed up. Unfortunately, one night doesn't change a decade's worth 2137 01:46:04,120 --> 01:46:08,000 Speaker 2: of an action. So, Jason, I've had this thought for 2138 01:46:08,080 --> 01:46:11,120 Speaker 2: a while now, and part of it stems from the 2139 01:46:11,200 --> 01:46:13,720 Speaker 2: Vegas conversation. Every time we talk Vegas, we have one 2140 01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:16,040 Speaker 2: guy tweeted in you guys have had the same opinion 2141 01:46:16,080 --> 01:46:18,360 Speaker 2: for our two months. Stop talking about Vegas and the 2142 01:46:18,360 --> 01:46:21,160 Speaker 2: A's so we're not gonna get into the Vegas should they, 2143 01:46:21,160 --> 01:46:21,720 Speaker 2: should they not? 2144 01:46:21,840 --> 01:46:22,240 Speaker 3: Whatever? 2145 01:46:22,840 --> 01:46:25,240 Speaker 2: But why I bring it up. I'm gonna do the 2146 01:46:25,360 --> 01:46:27,960 Speaker 2: Arnie Spaniard. I'm gonna ask you a question that's impossible 2147 01:46:28,000 --> 01:46:32,519 Speaker 2: to answer. But like, my whole thing with the Oakland 2148 01:46:32,560 --> 01:46:38,439 Speaker 2: A's is that it just feels to me that there 2149 01:46:38,520 --> 01:46:41,240 Speaker 2: does like, like I understand Manfred's comments, We've tried da 2150 01:46:41,320 --> 01:46:42,920 Speaker 2: da dah, this and that, but part of the reason 2151 01:46:43,000 --> 01:46:45,519 Speaker 2: the fans don't show up is because the stadium's one 2152 01:46:45,560 --> 01:46:47,200 Speaker 2: hundred years old, it's decrepit. 2153 01:46:47,240 --> 01:46:48,040 Speaker 3: It's this, it's that. 2154 01:46:48,640 --> 01:46:51,200 Speaker 2: And I guess my question is this, and maybe there's 2155 01:46:51,200 --> 01:46:52,960 Speaker 2: a really smart answer, and I'm just an idiot. 2156 01:46:53,000 --> 01:46:53,760 Speaker 3: There probably is. 2157 01:46:54,800 --> 01:46:57,920 Speaker 2: Do you think that Rob Manfred as the as the 2158 01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:00,080 Speaker 2: commissioner of Major League Baseball? Like, like, do you do 2159 01:47:00,160 --> 01:47:04,240 Speaker 2: you think that it is an obligation of an owner 2160 01:47:04,920 --> 01:47:08,040 Speaker 2: to at least attempt to put a competitive team on 2161 01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:11,839 Speaker 2: the field, Because to me, it feels like John Fisher, 2162 01:47:11,880 --> 01:47:15,560 Speaker 2: the owner of the A's four years, hasn't even attempted 2163 01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:18,000 Speaker 2: to put a competitive team on the field, so then 2164 01:47:18,040 --> 01:47:20,040 Speaker 2: he can then use that as an excuse I can't 2165 01:47:20,040 --> 01:47:20,679 Speaker 2: get in the stadium. 2166 01:47:20,680 --> 01:47:21,400 Speaker 3: I have to leave. 2167 01:47:21,880 --> 01:47:24,160 Speaker 2: And I just look at major League Baseball's role in 2168 01:47:24,160 --> 01:47:28,520 Speaker 2: this of basically letting that happen to me. It fundamentally 2169 01:47:28,600 --> 01:47:31,120 Speaker 2: bothers me. And I just feel like there has to 2170 01:47:31,160 --> 01:47:35,519 Speaker 2: be a better solution for the A's organization. Then let 2171 01:47:35,680 --> 01:47:39,200 Speaker 2: an incompetent owner continue to run this organization the way 2172 01:47:39,200 --> 01:47:41,400 Speaker 2: that he has for ten years, regardless of whether the 2173 01:47:41,400 --> 01:47:44,240 Speaker 2: team stays in Oakland or more likely moves to Vegas. 2174 01:47:44,320 --> 01:47:46,439 Speaker 2: Am I crazy to just say, like, I feel like 2175 01:47:46,479 --> 01:47:48,840 Speaker 2: part of the commissioner's job is to be like, if 2176 01:47:48,880 --> 01:47:51,360 Speaker 2: you're not even gonna try to feel the competitive team, 2177 01:47:51,840 --> 01:47:54,120 Speaker 2: then we can't have you own this team. 2178 01:47:54,160 --> 01:47:54,320 Speaker 1: One? 2179 01:47:54,360 --> 01:47:55,320 Speaker 3: Does that make sense? 2180 01:47:55,600 --> 01:47:55,800 Speaker 4: Two? 2181 01:47:55,840 --> 01:47:57,360 Speaker 3: Am I crazy for saying that? 2182 01:47:57,920 --> 01:48:02,840 Speaker 4: Like I don't know how you would sail? Yeah, Like, 2183 01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:05,840 Speaker 4: I don't know how you would go about it, but 2184 01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:08,960 Speaker 4: your theory, the emotion behind it I agree with. And 2185 01:48:09,080 --> 01:48:14,880 Speaker 4: Manfred's comments were just they were callous and they were sarcastic, 2186 01:48:15,040 --> 01:48:24,240 Speaker 4: and they were unnecessary. Absolutely yes, I think that. Man 2187 01:48:24,320 --> 01:48:27,120 Speaker 4: I wish that what you were saying was absolutely true. 2188 01:48:27,160 --> 01:48:29,960 Speaker 4: I wish there was like a minimum standard that somehow 2189 01:48:29,960 --> 01:48:35,840 Speaker 4: you could objectively set where it's just provable that you're 2190 01:48:35,880 --> 01:48:39,639 Speaker 4: not trying that you're just whatever you're doing, you're doing 2191 01:48:39,680 --> 01:48:41,680 Speaker 4: to try and get out of this city that's been 2192 01:48:41,800 --> 01:48:43,559 Speaker 4: very good to you for a long time, in terms 2193 01:48:43,560 --> 01:48:45,760 Speaker 4: of the fans, not in terms of the building. Building 2194 01:48:45,800 --> 01:48:51,360 Speaker 4: has been a dump forever. But generally speaking, it's not 2195 01:48:51,439 --> 01:48:53,400 Speaker 4: like they don't want to support the A's. They don't 2196 01:48:53,400 --> 01:48:57,160 Speaker 4: want to support a team that's not being supported there 2197 01:48:57,680 --> 01:49:00,400 Speaker 4: by the person that's signing the paychecks. They don't even 2198 01:49:00,400 --> 01:49:02,000 Speaker 4: want to put a competitive team on the field. They 2199 01:49:02,000 --> 01:49:04,839 Speaker 4: don't want to put an entertaining team on the field. 2200 01:49:05,320 --> 01:49:09,479 Speaker 4: What are you supposed to do, especially at this time 2201 01:49:09,600 --> 01:49:13,639 Speaker 4: in this economy, How many different things are looking at 2202 01:49:13,680 --> 01:49:17,400 Speaker 4: your dollar? How many different things can you spend money on? Well? 2203 01:49:17,479 --> 01:49:19,200 Speaker 4: Can I go to the ballpark and see a team 2204 01:49:19,320 --> 01:49:23,120 Speaker 4: that ownership it's basically major league but in real life, 2205 01:49:23,680 --> 01:49:27,280 Speaker 4: but we aren't seeing like the nice story where the 2206 01:49:27,280 --> 01:49:30,320 Speaker 4: female owner then turns around and decides she actually likes 2207 01:49:30,360 --> 01:49:33,479 Speaker 4: the fact that they're winning, like getting any of that. 2208 01:49:34,280 --> 01:49:36,559 Speaker 4: I don't blame the A's fans for feeling the way 2209 01:49:36,720 --> 01:49:41,040 Speaker 4: that they do. I think that you talk about incompetent ownership, 2210 01:49:41,080 --> 01:49:43,280 Speaker 4: we can't have incompetent ownership. I think the problem with 2211 01:49:43,320 --> 01:49:47,200 Speaker 4: having incompetent ownership is you have semi incompetent leadership inside 2212 01:49:47,200 --> 01:49:49,519 Speaker 4: of Major League Baseball. I think the sport right now 2213 01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:51,519 Speaker 4: is in a good place in terms of the product. 2214 01:49:51,560 --> 01:49:56,120 Speaker 4: I've really enjoyed this season and will continue to. I 2215 01:49:56,200 --> 01:49:58,040 Speaker 4: like a lot of the changes that are made. I 2216 01:49:58,160 --> 01:50:00,280 Speaker 4: like some of these young players. I like some of 2217 01:50:00,320 --> 01:50:04,040 Speaker 4: these teams that we're seeing emerged this year. And of 2218 01:50:04,040 --> 01:50:06,160 Speaker 4: course my Braves having the record that they're having isn't 2219 01:50:06,200 --> 01:50:10,400 Speaker 4: hurting anything either. But I do think that Manfred stinks. 2220 01:50:11,280 --> 01:50:14,880 Speaker 4: I don't think that at least Goodell has power that 2221 01:50:15,000 --> 01:50:18,240 Speaker 4: feels like it feels like there's authority there. Even if 2222 01:50:18,280 --> 01:50:20,080 Speaker 4: you don't like him, he gets booed at the draft. 2223 01:50:20,680 --> 01:50:25,400 Speaker 4: You'd still look at guys like Manfred and Gary Bettman 2224 01:50:25,479 --> 01:50:29,479 Speaker 4: and you're just like, what are you guys doing? Like, no, 2225 01:50:29,520 --> 01:50:32,759 Speaker 4: there's not even an opinion on them that's ever positive. Generally, 2226 01:50:32,840 --> 01:50:36,880 Speaker 4: the only time Manfred makes headlines is when he's mocking 2227 01:50:36,920 --> 01:50:40,679 Speaker 4: the A's fans or talking about the World Series Trophy 2228 01:50:40,720 --> 01:50:43,320 Speaker 4: as a piece of metal, like stuff like that, like 2229 01:50:43,880 --> 01:50:47,080 Speaker 4: how are you the commissioner of Major League Baseball. Half 2230 01:50:47,160 --> 01:50:49,120 Speaker 4: the time, it feels like you don't even like your 2231 01:50:49,160 --> 01:50:52,639 Speaker 4: own sport. That's a problem for me, and I think 2232 01:50:52,680 --> 01:50:55,519 Speaker 4: that's why you have a hard time then doing anything 2233 01:50:55,960 --> 01:50:59,040 Speaker 4: about shoddy ownership in Oakland or anything else that you're 2234 01:50:59,040 --> 01:51:01,920 Speaker 4: trying to accomplish, because I don't know that you're good 2235 01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:04,839 Speaker 4: at your job, so I don't know how much authority 2236 01:51:04,880 --> 01:51:07,080 Speaker 4: you have to talk to other people about the job 2237 01:51:07,120 --> 01:51:10,200 Speaker 4: that they're doing. But generally speaking, I wish what you're 2238 01:51:10,240 --> 01:51:12,600 Speaker 4: saying was right, because I think it's pathetic that you 2239 01:51:12,640 --> 01:51:17,759 Speaker 4: have an owner that seems openly willing to just throw 2240 01:51:17,880 --> 01:51:20,160 Speaker 4: all of his current fans in the fire to get 2241 01:51:20,160 --> 01:51:20,719 Speaker 4: out of town. 2242 01:51:21,120 --> 01:51:23,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think you bring up a very important point, 2243 01:51:23,680 --> 01:51:28,160 Speaker 2: which is that for Rob Manfred's you know, comments to 2244 01:51:28,200 --> 01:51:31,559 Speaker 2: be correct, that this is basically a decades worth of 2245 01:51:31,560 --> 01:51:36,000 Speaker 2: an action. That means that there is an inherent responsibility 2246 01:51:36,680 --> 01:51:41,200 Speaker 2: for the fans to support a mediocre product. And it's funny. 2247 01:51:41,200 --> 01:51:43,599 Speaker 2: I have a buddy named Mark Ryan. He hosts radio 2248 01:51:43,680 --> 01:51:46,599 Speaker 2: down in South Carolina. He's a great, great host, and 2249 01:51:47,240 --> 01:51:48,920 Speaker 2: you know, he's brought up this point many times. 2250 01:51:48,960 --> 01:51:50,120 Speaker 3: He's a Florida Gators fan. 2251 01:51:50,200 --> 01:51:52,439 Speaker 2: He hosts in South Carolina, but he's a Gators fan, 2252 01:51:52,479 --> 01:51:54,479 Speaker 2: and you know, the Gators have gone through some coaching 2253 01:51:54,600 --> 01:51:57,120 Speaker 2: changes Dan Mullen and you know Will musk Champ and 2254 01:51:57,400 --> 01:51:59,120 Speaker 2: through the years they've you know, they've had to let 2255 01:51:59,120 --> 01:52:02,200 Speaker 2: go of you guys. And he brings up the point like, 2256 01:52:02,680 --> 01:52:05,400 Speaker 2: not like, not only are you not a bad fan 2257 01:52:05,760 --> 01:52:10,719 Speaker 2: if you refuse to support a mediocre product, that's actually 2258 01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:14,200 Speaker 2: being a good fan because that forces, in theory change 2259 01:52:14,200 --> 01:52:16,920 Speaker 2: in college football. If you stop buying tickets, you stop 2260 01:52:16,960 --> 01:52:20,480 Speaker 2: showing up because the team isn't very good, that inherently 2261 01:52:20,520 --> 01:52:23,559 Speaker 2: forces the administration to say, at some point, we got 2262 01:52:23,560 --> 01:52:25,240 Speaker 2: to get rid of this guy if the fans are 2263 01:52:25,280 --> 01:52:28,080 Speaker 2: not committed to him, because there's a financial interest in it. 2264 01:52:28,120 --> 01:52:30,880 Speaker 2: And so like, that's I think you bring up such 2265 01:52:30,880 --> 01:52:33,679 Speaker 2: an important point. Is like for Rob Manford to say 2266 01:52:33,720 --> 01:52:36,799 Speaker 2: it's a decade, it's worth of an action, it's because 2267 01:52:36,880 --> 01:52:40,400 Speaker 2: it's been a decades worth of incompetence. And so if 2268 01:52:40,560 --> 01:52:44,800 Speaker 2: if like you know, I don't think that if there 2269 01:52:44,920 --> 01:52:47,800 Speaker 2: was twenty eight thousand or thirty five thousand fans in 2270 01:52:47,840 --> 01:52:51,080 Speaker 2: the stands every night, I honestly believe this, and I 2271 01:52:51,080 --> 01:52:53,519 Speaker 2: could be dead wrong. I don't know. The man John Fisher. 2272 01:52:53,560 --> 01:52:55,479 Speaker 2: I just know what I read about him. John Fisher 2273 01:52:55,520 --> 01:52:56,040 Speaker 2: is the owner. 2274 01:52:55,840 --> 01:52:56,120 Speaker 4: Of he Is. 2275 01:52:56,560 --> 01:52:59,559 Speaker 2: I don't believe that if there were thirty five thousand 2276 01:52:59,600 --> 01:53:03,400 Speaker 2: people there every night, he would fundamentally run the organization different. 2277 01:53:03,720 --> 01:53:08,400 Speaker 2: He clearly wants whatever financial incentives come with a new stadium, 2278 01:53:08,439 --> 01:53:11,040 Speaker 2: either in Oakland, either in Vegas, wherever it would be. 2279 01:53:11,600 --> 01:53:13,840 Speaker 2: And I don't think this is the fans' fault. And 2280 01:53:13,840 --> 01:53:16,240 Speaker 2: I think that's now that we're talking it out, that's 2281 01:53:16,360 --> 01:53:19,880 Speaker 2: fundamentally I guess my issue with Rob Manfred is his 2282 01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:23,400 Speaker 2: comments is that he's basically implying that, hey, the ownership 2283 01:53:23,400 --> 01:53:26,960 Speaker 2: hasn't done anything to get you excited about this organization 2284 01:53:27,160 --> 01:53:30,479 Speaker 2: in forever, but it's your fault for not showing up. 2285 01:53:30,479 --> 01:53:32,160 Speaker 2: I mean, that's why we can't have a team here, 2286 01:53:32,160 --> 01:53:34,759 Speaker 2: because you guys don't show up. I think it's total nonsense. 2287 01:53:34,840 --> 01:53:37,040 Speaker 4: Jason, Yeah, I mean I would agree. I would say this, 2288 01:53:37,120 --> 01:53:42,080 Speaker 4: then we'll get to the break. It's just it shouldn't 2289 01:53:42,200 --> 01:53:45,240 Speaker 4: take I mean, if they're winning, people are gonna come 2290 01:53:45,280 --> 01:53:47,040 Speaker 4: to the building. We know that as long as they're 2291 01:53:47,080 --> 01:53:50,120 Speaker 4: fielding a competitive team, or you know that they're giving 2292 01:53:50,160 --> 01:53:51,759 Speaker 4: everything that they have. And I don't mean the players, 2293 01:53:51,760 --> 01:53:54,280 Speaker 4: the players to play for the A's are giving everything 2294 01:53:54,320 --> 01:53:57,000 Speaker 4: that they've got. But if the ownership is is just 2295 01:53:57,080 --> 01:54:00,519 Speaker 4: basically openly mocking you and then daring you not to 2296 01:54:00,560 --> 01:54:03,120 Speaker 4: come and say we'll just take the team away if 2297 01:54:03,120 --> 01:54:05,439 Speaker 4: you don't come. You know how, you get a new 2298 01:54:05,479 --> 01:54:09,559 Speaker 4: stadium built, you start winning. You know, you know how 2299 01:54:09,680 --> 01:54:12,559 Speaker 4: Buffalo just says this giant stadium it's being built right now. 2300 01:54:12,840 --> 01:54:15,599 Speaker 4: You know, you think that would be happening if Josh 2301 01:54:15,680 --> 01:54:18,680 Speaker 4: Allen's Von Diggs all those things weren't happening the way 2302 01:54:18,680 --> 01:54:22,000 Speaker 4: that they are. I mean, Nashville's a pretty happened in 2303 01:54:22,040 --> 01:54:25,439 Speaker 4: town obviously, But this giant stadium that's being built here 2304 01:54:25,680 --> 01:54:28,120 Speaker 4: that's gonna have a Super Bowl probably in about five years, 2305 01:54:28,720 --> 01:54:32,280 Speaker 4: you think that's happening without Derrick Henry hitting two thousand 2306 01:54:32,360 --> 01:54:34,839 Speaker 4: yards a couple of years ago and them being relevant. 2307 01:54:35,360 --> 01:54:38,080 Speaker 4: Like if the if you are an owner and you 2308 01:54:38,120 --> 01:54:41,560 Speaker 4: want a new stadium, then go field a team that wins, 2309 01:54:42,400 --> 01:54:44,080 Speaker 4: because at that point in time, they're not gonna let 2310 01:54:44,120 --> 01:54:46,440 Speaker 4: you play in a dump forever. They're just not. Eventually 2311 01:54:46,520 --> 01:54:48,880 Speaker 4: they're going and then you're also gonna have fans or 2312 01:54:48,880 --> 01:54:51,920 Speaker 4: perhaps taxpayers. They're more willing to foot the bill if 2313 01:54:51,920 --> 01:54:56,840 Speaker 4: they have to because it's actually something relevant that you 2314 01:54:56,880 --> 01:54:58,520 Speaker 4: want to go to. So I would say that's part 2315 01:54:58,520 --> 01:55:00,920 Speaker 4: of it. If you lose your I'll be gonna be 2316 01:55:00,960 --> 01:55:02,400 Speaker 4: stuck in a dump for a long time. 2317 01:55:02,840 --> 01:55:05,520 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio Aeron Torris Jason Martin A lot to 2318 01:55:05,600 --> 01:55:09,200 Speaker 2: think about with those Robmanford comments coming up. We are 2319 01:55:09,200 --> 01:55:10,960 Speaker 2: going to toss it over the news desk to Sager 2320 01:55:11,040 --> 01:55:14,120 Speaker 2: gives us the extended update every Saturday at twelve forty 2321 01:55:14,120 --> 01:55:14,960 Speaker 2: five Eastern time. 2322 01:55:15,000 --> 01:55:18,120 Speaker 3: He will do it again momentarily. This is Fox Sports Rido. 2323 01:55:21,480 --> 01:55:25,440 Speaker 2: Welcome back, everybody, Fox Sports Radio Eron Torris Jason Martin, 2324 01:55:25,440 --> 01:55:28,000 Speaker 2: broadcasting live from thee Tireck dot com studios. 2325 01:55:28,560 --> 01:55:29,600 Speaker 3: We're presented by Discover. 2326 01:55:29,640 --> 01:55:31,280 Speaker 2: At the end of your first year, Discover credit cards 2327 01:55:31,320 --> 01:55:34,280 Speaker 2: automatically double all the cash back you've earned. That's right, 2328 01:55:34,560 --> 01:55:38,120 Speaker 2: everything you've earned doubled. Seriously see terms of check it 2329 01:55:38,120 --> 01:55:40,000 Speaker 2: out for yourself at Discovered dot Com. 2330 01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:40,680 Speaker 3: Slash Match. 2331 01:55:40,840 --> 01:55:42,800 Speaker 2: Don't want to waste any more time, toss it over 2332 01:55:42,880 --> 01:55:45,040 Speaker 2: the news desk to Sager give us all of the 2333 01:55:45,080 --> 01:55:46,240 Speaker 2: news that we missed throughout the day. 2334 01:55:46,240 --> 01:55:48,960 Speaker 6: In sports, gentlemen, The three last place teams in the 2335 01:55:49,040 --> 01:55:54,360 Speaker 6: National League are Washington, Colorado, and the Saint Louis Cardinals. 2336 01:55:54,920 --> 01:55:58,160 Speaker 6: Washington wound up getting a shutout win at San Diego 2337 01:55:58,200 --> 01:56:01,640 Speaker 6: tonight to nothing. The Padres with that payroll have a 2338 01:56:01,680 --> 01:56:05,520 Speaker 6: record of twenty make that thirty seven and forty. Padres 2339 01:56:05,560 --> 01:56:09,320 Speaker 6: offense four hits tonight, four for thirty with twelve strikeouts. 2340 01:56:09,400 --> 01:56:12,280 Speaker 6: And then there's Colorado, the last place team in the NLS, 2341 01:56:12,400 --> 01:56:16,520 Speaker 6: losing at home tonight twenty five to one to the Angels, 2342 01:56:16,520 --> 01:56:19,080 Speaker 6: avoiding the shutout with a solo homer in the bottom 2343 01:56:19,080 --> 01:56:21,120 Speaker 6: of the eighth. There's Staton Baseball. How did you do 2344 01:56:21,240 --> 01:56:24,160 Speaker 6: with runners in scoring position Colorado? 2345 01:56:24,200 --> 01:56:24,520 Speaker 4: Tonight? 2346 01:56:24,600 --> 01:56:26,600 Speaker 6: Their team when a guy was at second and or 2347 01:56:26,640 --> 01:56:29,960 Speaker 6: third base, they went zero for three. The Angels with 2348 01:56:30,040 --> 01:56:34,560 Speaker 6: runners in scoring position thirteen for twenty four. It was 2349 01:56:34,640 --> 01:56:38,080 Speaker 6: almost nothing but throughout the game. And this includes the 2350 01:56:38,800 --> 01:56:41,920 Speaker 6: thirteen run top of the third inning at Coors Field 2351 01:56:41,920 --> 01:56:44,640 Speaker 6: at the Halo's Engineer that included four home runs in 2352 01:56:44,680 --> 01:56:48,280 Speaker 6: the frame, three on three straight pitches. The losing pitcher 2353 01:56:48,400 --> 01:56:52,400 Speaker 6: was Chase Anderson. Multiple people did research on this. It 2354 01:56:52,440 --> 01:56:55,040 Speaker 6: turns out the last pitcher in the majors to give 2355 01:56:55,120 --> 01:56:59,400 Speaker 6: up home runs on three consecutive pitches was also Chase 2356 01:56:59,520 --> 01:57:06,200 Speaker 6: Anderson in twenty twenty. Good, no way, that's just astounding. 2357 01:57:06,760 --> 01:57:09,960 Speaker 6: So we wind up with the since nineteen hundred, the 2358 01:57:10,040 --> 01:57:12,960 Speaker 6: third largest margin of victory in a Major League game 2359 01:57:13,040 --> 01:57:16,160 Speaker 6: still the record. Two thousand and seven Texas Rangers won 2360 01:57:16,200 --> 01:57:19,280 Speaker 6: a game thirty to three, but just that third inning alone, 2361 01:57:19,880 --> 01:57:24,280 Speaker 6: the thirteen runs, the four homers, all of those homers 2362 01:57:24,280 --> 01:57:26,440 Speaker 6: about four hundred feet or more. Mike Trout's home run 2363 01:57:26,520 --> 01:57:29,640 Speaker 6: went about four hundred and fifty feet. Going back almost 2364 01:57:29,680 --> 01:57:32,600 Speaker 6: fifty years of baseball history, only once had a team 2365 01:57:32,720 --> 01:57:36,040 Speaker 6: in one inning score at least thirteen runs, with ten 2366 01:57:36,120 --> 01:57:38,840 Speaker 6: hits and four homers, and that was the Yankees in 2367 01:57:38,880 --> 01:57:41,720 Speaker 6: two thousand and five. What a night for the Angels. 2368 01:57:42,160 --> 01:57:44,520 Speaker 6: They led in the fourth inning twenty three to nothing. 2369 01:57:45,040 --> 01:57:47,720 Speaker 6: The final is twenty five to one. Time of the 2370 01:57:47,760 --> 01:57:51,880 Speaker 6: game two hours and fifty three minutes. Even a twenty 2371 01:57:52,040 --> 01:57:56,400 Speaker 6: five to one game is under three hours. That is amazing. 2372 01:57:56,440 --> 01:57:57,080 Speaker 3: That is crazy. 2373 01:57:57,600 --> 01:58:00,440 Speaker 6: Last place Saint Louis is in London. This weekkend the 2374 01:58:00,520 --> 01:58:03,440 Speaker 6: Cubs beat up the rival Cardinals nine to one. Winning 2375 01:58:03,480 --> 01:58:07,240 Speaker 6: Cubs pitcher Justin Steele is eight and two. They converting 2376 01:58:07,280 --> 01:58:11,040 Speaker 6: the west Ham Soccer Stadium into baseball and by the way, 2377 01:58:11,040 --> 01:58:13,080 Speaker 6: they're going to be back there next summer Mets against 2378 01:58:13,080 --> 01:58:16,360 Speaker 6: Phillies in London, and so they're saving all this turf 2379 01:58:16,440 --> 01:58:18,680 Speaker 6: that they're using in the clay for the infield and 2380 01:58:18,800 --> 01:58:20,760 Speaker 6: all of that, and they'll just be back in London 2381 01:58:20,800 --> 01:58:24,480 Speaker 6: in twelve months. Attendance fifty four thousand and for twenty 2382 01:58:24,520 --> 01:58:28,080 Speaker 6: twenty five. The Players Union has already approved a possible 2383 01:58:28,240 --> 01:58:32,400 Speaker 6: MLB series in Paris. As for Paul Goldschmidt, the Cardinals' 2384 01:58:32,440 --> 01:58:35,480 Speaker 6: third base first baseman, made a little history today. He 2385 01:58:35,560 --> 01:58:39,320 Speaker 6: has now played a regular season game in five different 2386 01:58:39,360 --> 01:58:42,640 Speaker 6: countries in his career, not only the US in Canada, 2387 01:58:42,680 --> 01:58:46,440 Speaker 6: but England, now Mexico, and in Australia. As I recall 2388 01:58:46,480 --> 01:58:50,000 Speaker 6: when he was with Arizona. Update on Luis Arias of 2389 01:58:50,040 --> 01:58:52,400 Speaker 6: the Marlins. His team came back for an eleven inning 2390 01:58:52,400 --> 01:58:55,640 Speaker 6: win over Pittsburgh for to three. Aria's had two walks, 2391 01:58:55,680 --> 01:58:58,560 Speaker 6: a two run homer, and he's batting four to oh 2392 01:58:58,640 --> 01:59:00,600 Speaker 6: one this deep into the sea. And we have a 2393 01:59:00,600 --> 01:59:04,560 Speaker 6: week to go until July starts. To be batting over 2394 01:59:04,720 --> 01:59:08,280 Speaker 6: four hundred this deep. Since Ted Williams since nineteen forty one. 2395 01:59:08,480 --> 01:59:10,880 Speaker 6: It's a pretty short list. Rod carew a couple of 2396 01:59:10,920 --> 01:59:15,120 Speaker 6: times did this, John olerud in nineteen ninety three, and 2397 01:59:15,200 --> 01:59:18,600 Speaker 6: a couple of Rockies Larry Walker and Andres Galarraga are 2398 01:59:18,720 --> 01:59:22,120 Speaker 6: on that list. And congrats to Jordan Lyles as the 2399 01:59:22,200 --> 01:59:25,240 Speaker 6: Kansas City Royals won nine to four at Tampa Bay. 2400 01:59:25,280 --> 01:59:27,960 Speaker 6: The winning pitcher. Lyles is now one and eleven on 2401 01:59:28,040 --> 01:59:32,520 Speaker 6: the season ERA six point six ' eight. He had 2402 01:59:32,640 --> 01:59:36,080 Speaker 6: set a winless record fifteen starts to begin the year 2403 01:59:36,120 --> 01:59:38,040 Speaker 6: without a single victory until today. 2404 01:59:38,760 --> 01:59:41,879 Speaker 2: Anytime we can get Andre Scalaga into the show to Sega, 2405 01:59:41,920 --> 01:59:42,840 Speaker 2: it's a win for us. 2406 01:59:42,960 --> 01:59:43,680 Speaker 3: Thank you very much. 2407 01:59:43,720 --> 01:59:46,600 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio Air Tours Jason Martin broadcasting live from 2408 01:59:46,640 --> 01:59:50,560 Speaker 2: the tyreck dot com studios. Coming up more on the 2409 01:59:50,720 --> 01:59:54,040 Speaker 2: NBA Draft lot to break down from Thursday night what 2410 01:59:54,120 --> 01:59:56,200 Speaker 2: it means for next NBA season. 2411 01:59:56,480 --> 01:59:57,400 Speaker 3: That's foss sbats Tray. 2412 01:59:59,000 --> 02:00:04,080 Speaker 2: Welcome in everybody, our four Fox Sports Radio Erintorus Jason 2413 02:00:04,120 --> 02:00:08,720 Speaker 2: Martin broadcasting live from the Tiraq dot com studios tyreck 2414 02:00:08,760 --> 02:00:11,480 Speaker 2: dot com. We'll help you get there. An unmatched selection, fast, 2415 02:00:11,480 --> 02:00:15,120 Speaker 2: free shipping, free road hazard protection and over ten thousand 2416 02:00:15,160 --> 02:00:19,400 Speaker 2: recommended installers, tirec dot com, the way tire buying should 2417 02:00:19,440 --> 02:00:23,040 Speaker 2: be again Erintrus Jason Martin, and of course to Seger 2418 02:00:23,240 --> 02:00:25,200 Speaker 2: on the news desk taking you to the top of 2419 02:00:25,240 --> 02:00:25,600 Speaker 2: the hour. 2420 02:00:26,040 --> 02:00:29,960 Speaker 3: Bernie Fratto follows us Jason really quickly. To lead the show. 2421 02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:34,080 Speaker 2: We talked a lot about the NBA Draft on Thursday night. 2422 02:00:34,080 --> 02:00:35,280 Speaker 2: I just want to kind of put a bow on it. 2423 02:00:35,360 --> 02:00:38,840 Speaker 2: Here should mention if anybody missed any of our conversations, 2424 02:00:38,880 --> 02:00:42,600 Speaker 2: go back and download the podcast, which will be available shortly. 2425 02:00:42,280 --> 02:00:44,680 Speaker 3: After the show. But I want to start with the 2426 02:00:44,760 --> 02:00:45,280 Speaker 3: NBA Draft. 2427 02:00:45,320 --> 02:00:49,640 Speaker 2: It was Thursday night, and I think where we led 2428 02:00:49,680 --> 02:00:52,720 Speaker 2: the show is to me remaining. The most interesting conversation 2429 02:00:53,000 --> 02:00:57,760 Speaker 2: is Victor Winbinyama. There is an awful lot of hype 2430 02:00:57,760 --> 02:01:01,160 Speaker 2: around him and nothing that he's done wrong. It's just 2431 02:01:01,520 --> 02:01:05,360 Speaker 2: this is the nature of the media coverage of sports 2432 02:01:05,440 --> 02:01:09,240 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three, and you know, we've heard a 2433 02:01:09,280 --> 02:01:12,800 Speaker 2: lot about what are We've just heard a lot. I 2434 02:01:13,560 --> 02:01:16,160 Speaker 2: said it to lead the show. Adrian Woljanowski said he's 2435 02:01:16,160 --> 02:01:19,480 Speaker 2: the best prospect in the history of American team sports. 2436 02:01:19,720 --> 02:01:22,680 Speaker 2: And if you want to hear that conversation, everyone could 2437 02:01:22,680 --> 02:01:25,640 Speaker 2: go back and download it, Jason. I download it on podcasts. 2438 02:01:25,640 --> 02:01:27,680 Speaker 2: I should say, Jason, what I did want to ask you, though, 2439 02:01:27,720 --> 02:01:33,000 Speaker 2: is this is assuming there is no you know, no 2440 02:01:33,160 --> 02:01:35,720 Speaker 2: major health issues. I think in twenty twenty three, everybody's 2441 02:01:35,720 --> 02:01:38,680 Speaker 2: going to miss some time here or there, just because 2442 02:01:38,680 --> 02:01:40,720 Speaker 2: that's the nature of the sport. Now, guys don't play 2443 02:01:40,720 --> 02:01:43,240 Speaker 2: eighty one to eighty two games anymore. Let's use the 2444 02:01:43,240 --> 02:01:45,680 Speaker 2: best case scenario there are no major health issues. 2445 02:01:46,640 --> 02:01:47,360 Speaker 3: What do you. 2446 02:01:49,200 --> 02:01:51,480 Speaker 2: Expects not the right word, what do you hope to 2447 02:01:51,640 --> 02:01:54,880 Speaker 2: see out of when Benyama's career and what do you 2448 02:01:55,000 --> 02:01:58,000 Speaker 2: believe would be a successful career if he is able 2449 02:01:58,040 --> 02:02:01,040 Speaker 2: to stay healthy? Because to me, that's the interesting point 2450 02:02:01,120 --> 02:02:03,280 Speaker 2: is is because of the hype, he's being compared to 2451 02:02:03,320 --> 02:02:05,480 Speaker 2: all time greats before he's ever played a game. And 2452 02:02:05,520 --> 02:02:08,080 Speaker 2: I'm curious what you would actually consider to be success 2453 02:02:08,440 --> 02:02:10,800 Speaker 2: for him, not only in year one, but throughout his career. 2454 02:02:11,640 --> 02:02:15,600 Speaker 4: I don't subscribe to the he's gotta win seventeen thousand 2455 02:02:15,760 --> 02:02:18,160 Speaker 4: championships and. 2456 02:02:18,040 --> 02:02:19,880 Speaker 2: If he did, though, that'd be pretty impressive that he 2457 02:02:19,880 --> 02:02:21,800 Speaker 2: would be. He would be He would be the best 2458 02:02:21,840 --> 02:02:22,440 Speaker 2: of all time at. 2459 02:02:22,360 --> 02:02:25,760 Speaker 4: That, no question about that. But like it's gonna sound 2460 02:02:25,800 --> 02:02:28,360 Speaker 4: crazy to even suggest this, but like, let's go say 2461 02:02:28,360 --> 02:02:31,440 Speaker 4: he has Giannis's career. Is that gonna be enough for people? 2462 02:02:32,120 --> 02:02:32,840 Speaker 4: That's that's the thing. 2463 02:02:32,920 --> 02:02:36,800 Speaker 2: So that's an interesting conversation for you. So so that 2464 02:02:36,840 --> 02:02:39,880 Speaker 2: would be you know, as he's approaching the age of thirty. 2465 02:02:39,880 --> 02:02:43,320 Speaker 2: I think Giannis is twenty eight right now. Two MVPs 2466 02:02:43,680 --> 02:02:46,560 Speaker 2: and one championship where you're clearly the best player. Now 2467 02:02:46,560 --> 02:02:49,200 Speaker 2: Giannis is the back half of his career has yet 2468 02:02:49,240 --> 02:02:52,720 Speaker 2: to be written. I would say if he has the 2469 02:02:52,800 --> 02:02:56,600 Speaker 2: first so Giannis was drafted in twenty thirteen, I would 2470 02:02:56,600 --> 02:02:58,880 Speaker 2: say if that, if he has the first ten years 2471 02:02:58,920 --> 02:03:02,800 Speaker 2: that Giannis had, I would consider his first ten years 2472 02:03:02,840 --> 02:03:04,000 Speaker 2: of his career success. 2473 02:03:04,560 --> 02:03:06,000 Speaker 3: I assume you would probably agree with that. 2474 02:03:06,280 --> 02:03:07,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's all I'm saying the way I asked it 2475 02:03:07,920 --> 02:03:10,440 Speaker 4: kind of dismissively, because it seems it seems dumb to 2476 02:03:10,480 --> 02:03:12,720 Speaker 4: even ask that question. Like, if you have Giannis's career, 2477 02:03:12,720 --> 02:03:15,440 Speaker 4: then of course you're a success. You're walking into the 2478 02:03:15,440 --> 02:03:19,000 Speaker 4: Hall of fame. Ifiannis never played another second in the NBA, 2479 02:03:19,040 --> 02:03:20,560 Speaker 4: he's going into the Hall of fame and no one's 2480 02:03:20,600 --> 02:03:22,520 Speaker 4: gonna have a problem with it. That But the reason 2481 02:03:22,520 --> 02:03:27,480 Speaker 4: I ask it was because we're hearing people talk about, well, 2482 02:03:27,480 --> 02:03:30,560 Speaker 4: if he's Anthony Davis, that's a bust and stuff like that, 2483 02:03:30,600 --> 02:03:35,600 Speaker 4: Like it's insane, Like the level of hyperbole being attached 2484 02:03:35,640 --> 02:03:38,800 Speaker 4: to it is just completely unfair and beyond the pale. 2485 02:03:39,400 --> 02:03:42,000 Speaker 4: I don't know what it would be necessarily. I mean, 2486 02:03:42,040 --> 02:03:45,960 Speaker 4: if he's a multi time All Star, if he's leading 2487 02:03:46,000 --> 02:03:49,240 Speaker 4: a team to an NBA finals, Remember Lebron early in 2488 02:03:49,280 --> 02:03:52,080 Speaker 4: his career with a terrible Cavs team still got to 2489 02:03:52,120 --> 02:03:55,320 Speaker 4: the NBA finals. H that's the kind of thing like, 2490 02:03:55,400 --> 02:03:59,400 Speaker 4: if he's leading a team, what was Denver before Jokic 2491 02:03:59,480 --> 02:04:02,880 Speaker 4: got there? Before they drafted Jokic in the forties in 2492 02:04:02,920 --> 02:04:07,520 Speaker 4: the NBA draft, what were they? You see what Yokic 2493 02:04:07,680 --> 02:04:11,440 Speaker 4: is as a leader and how he's body else to 2494 02:04:11,520 --> 02:04:15,240 Speaker 4: the dance, that shows you how valuable he is if 2495 02:04:15,280 --> 02:04:16,920 Speaker 4: he goes and has a career like that. I mean, 2496 02:04:16,960 --> 02:04:20,680 Speaker 4: look at the way Joel Embiid has kind of helped 2497 02:04:21,000 --> 02:04:24,080 Speaker 4: bring Philadelphia along even though he's dealt with health issues, 2498 02:04:24,080 --> 02:04:27,080 Speaker 4: and you could find stuff to nitpick about everybody. I 2499 02:04:27,120 --> 02:04:31,000 Speaker 4: don't know what the numbers are for women Yanna to 2500 02:04:31,400 --> 02:04:34,840 Speaker 4: live up to whatever or have a successful career. I 2501 02:04:34,880 --> 02:04:37,920 Speaker 4: think it's almost it's going back to the old Supreme Court. 2502 02:04:37,960 --> 02:04:40,120 Speaker 4: I'll know it when I see it. But I'm not 2503 02:04:40,280 --> 02:04:45,280 Speaker 4: going to hold him to some insane, preposterous standard and 2504 02:04:45,320 --> 02:04:48,280 Speaker 4: say if he doesn't make ten consecutive All Star Games, 2505 02:04:48,720 --> 02:04:52,600 Speaker 4: then he's been a disappointment. If you'll know, if he's 2506 02:04:52,600 --> 02:04:56,200 Speaker 4: a multi time All Star perennially somebody that matters in 2507 02:04:56,240 --> 02:04:59,200 Speaker 4: the league. He's carrying a Spurs team we haven't heard from. 2508 02:04:59,240 --> 02:05:01,760 Speaker 4: I wouldn't even sure they we're still in the NBA. 2509 02:05:01,960 --> 02:05:05,080 Speaker 4: If you if you carry that team back to relevance again, 2510 02:05:06,040 --> 02:05:08,800 Speaker 4: that's gonna say a lot about who you are and 2511 02:05:08,840 --> 02:05:12,040 Speaker 4: what you're capable of doing. So I I I'm not 2512 02:05:12,120 --> 02:05:14,200 Speaker 4: dodging the question. I just don't know what the specific 2513 02:05:14,280 --> 02:05:14,840 Speaker 4: answer is. 2514 02:05:15,240 --> 02:05:19,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I would say Yannis is a good 2515 02:05:19,120 --> 02:05:23,280 Speaker 2: template for the first ten years of your career, and 2516 02:05:23,480 --> 02:05:26,080 Speaker 2: I will say, like, like, this is kind of what sucks. 2517 02:05:26,280 --> 02:05:28,080 Speaker 3: I'll just say it, like it's what sucks. 2518 02:05:27,800 --> 02:05:32,800 Speaker 2: When you put these sorts of hyperbolic conversations around a 2519 02:05:32,840 --> 02:05:38,720 Speaker 2: guy where again, like he is being labeled as the potential. 2520 02:05:38,920 --> 02:05:41,120 Speaker 2: I don't think it's hyperbole for me. To say that 2521 02:05:41,320 --> 02:05:44,600 Speaker 2: others are saying that he is being labeled as a 2522 02:05:44,640 --> 02:05:46,920 Speaker 2: guy that could go down as the greatest player to 2523 02:05:47,000 --> 02:05:51,320 Speaker 2: ever play this game, and so that just put that's embarrassing. 2524 02:05:51,480 --> 02:05:53,800 Speaker 2: But I mean, is that wrong of me to say 2525 02:05:53,800 --> 02:05:57,960 Speaker 2: that based on some of the comments that like that 2526 02:05:58,160 --> 02:06:00,400 Speaker 2: is what has been put on his show. There's just 2527 02:06:00,440 --> 02:06:02,040 Speaker 2: that Do you think I just took it too far? 2528 02:06:02,080 --> 02:06:03,400 Speaker 2: And you could tell me if you think I did, 2529 02:06:03,720 --> 02:06:05,320 Speaker 2: But based on what other I'm just. 2530 02:06:05,280 --> 02:06:09,120 Speaker 4: Saying, it's embarrassing that anyone would say that. It's embarrassing 2531 02:06:09,160 --> 02:06:12,440 Speaker 4: that anyone would say anything that would lead to a 2532 02:06:12,560 --> 02:06:18,440 Speaker 4: reasonable statement by you based on those comments. That's just yep, 2533 02:06:19,080 --> 02:06:22,560 Speaker 4: it's so dumb eron, like if there's no need to 2534 02:06:22,680 --> 02:06:25,160 Speaker 4: be here, we don't need to be in this stratosphere. 2535 02:06:25,240 --> 02:06:27,000 Speaker 4: Yet we haven't seen this guy. I don't even know 2536 02:06:27,000 --> 02:06:29,720 Speaker 4: what he looks like in the uniform, Like can we 2537 02:06:30,040 --> 02:06:33,280 Speaker 4: can we wait? We haven't even gotten the Summer League, 2538 02:06:33,280 --> 02:06:35,720 Speaker 4: which I'm sure he probably played like five minutes of 2539 02:06:35,960 --> 02:06:37,640 Speaker 4: and they've got to make sure he's healthy and everything 2540 02:06:37,640 --> 02:06:40,240 Speaker 4: else and get him in the lab with Papovich and 2541 02:06:40,280 --> 02:06:43,200 Speaker 4: whatever else that they're gonna do. But I mean, no 2542 02:06:43,240 --> 02:06:47,520 Speaker 4: one knows, and no one has seen enough to say 2543 02:06:47,560 --> 02:06:50,600 Speaker 4: stuff like like, I'll listen to people in NBA circles 2544 02:06:50,600 --> 02:06:52,720 Speaker 4: tell me that he's gonna be good, and then I'll 2545 02:06:52,720 --> 02:06:55,320 Speaker 4: see it for myself. But there's a whole lot of 2546 02:06:55,360 --> 02:06:59,240 Speaker 4: people that I know for a fact know nothing about him, 2547 02:06:59,320 --> 02:07:03,640 Speaker 4: that are proclaimed this and that for alternate purposes. And 2548 02:07:03,720 --> 02:07:06,720 Speaker 4: it's very, very frustrating, And I think maybe the better 2549 02:07:06,720 --> 02:07:10,040 Speaker 4: word for me is it's tiresome, Like I don't want 2550 02:07:10,040 --> 02:07:12,160 Speaker 4: to be sick of this dude before I see him play. 2551 02:07:12,640 --> 02:07:15,360 Speaker 4: And it's not his fault. He's not my face every second, 2552 02:07:15,800 --> 02:07:19,520 Speaker 4: but somebody's got something to say about him every five minutes. 2553 02:07:19,880 --> 02:07:23,840 Speaker 4: And now it's flipped from he is the Savior to boy, 2554 02:07:23,960 --> 02:07:26,480 Speaker 4: look at this hype, and it's the same people saying 2555 02:07:26,520 --> 02:07:30,040 Speaker 4: both those two things, and that is absolutely relentlessly irritating. 2556 02:07:30,320 --> 02:07:32,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think to kind of put a bow 2557 02:07:32,200 --> 02:07:35,440 Speaker 2: on this, I said to lead this show, and I 2558 02:07:35,440 --> 02:07:39,880 Speaker 2: think this is fair. Is that, like, I think there's 2559 02:07:39,920 --> 02:07:45,080 Speaker 2: a way that you can present an incredible upside without 2560 02:07:45,120 --> 02:07:48,160 Speaker 2: actually putting the expectations on him. In other words, if 2561 02:07:48,280 --> 02:07:51,640 Speaker 2: I if somebody said, Torres, what do you think about 2562 02:07:51,760 --> 02:07:55,560 Speaker 2: Victor Winbinyama, I don't think this is unfair to say, 2563 02:07:55,560 --> 02:07:57,000 Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what you tell me. If this 2564 02:07:57,040 --> 02:08:00,680 Speaker 2: is unfair to say, I would say that if I'm 2565 02:08:00,720 --> 02:08:03,880 Speaker 2: just having a conversation couple buddies having some beers. They 2566 02:08:03,880 --> 02:08:05,920 Speaker 2: don't really watch basketball. Hey, I see this win, But 2567 02:08:06,000 --> 02:08:07,720 Speaker 2: ya'ma guy on Sports Center all the time. 2568 02:08:07,720 --> 02:08:08,240 Speaker 3: What do you think. 2569 02:08:09,160 --> 02:08:12,160 Speaker 2: I don't think that it's hyperbolic to say we have 2570 02:08:12,280 --> 02:08:17,400 Speaker 2: never seen a guy this big, this young, with this 2571 02:08:17,680 --> 02:08:20,640 Speaker 2: unique of a skill set. And if it all clicks, 2572 02:08:20,720 --> 02:08:23,320 Speaker 2: if he has the work ethic, the drive, the passion 2573 02:08:23,360 --> 02:08:27,080 Speaker 2: for basketball, he stays healthy, we could be talking about 2574 02:08:27,080 --> 02:08:29,920 Speaker 2: an all time great. I mean, is that a fair 2575 02:08:30,040 --> 02:08:34,400 Speaker 2: way to say, like, the guy's ceiling is insane without 2576 02:08:34,440 --> 02:08:38,160 Speaker 2: actually saying if he's not Kareem, if he's not Bill Russell, 2577 02:08:38,200 --> 02:08:41,400 Speaker 2: if he's not Lebron, he's a bust? Is that fair 2578 02:08:41,440 --> 02:08:42,680 Speaker 2: of me to say the way that I said it? 2579 02:08:43,680 --> 02:08:45,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's kind of the way I would 2580 02:08:45,040 --> 02:08:46,920 Speaker 4: say it. I might not even say it that lengthy. 2581 02:08:46,960 --> 02:08:52,400 Speaker 4: Thought's be like, man, he's big, he's skilled. The sky 2582 02:08:52,560 --> 02:08:55,520 Speaker 4: is the limit if he puts it all together. And 2583 02:08:55,560 --> 02:08:58,320 Speaker 4: then the way I actually phrased it my head before 2584 02:08:58,360 --> 02:09:01,520 Speaker 4: you got there, was identical to you said, he has 2585 02:09:01,680 --> 02:09:03,800 Speaker 4: the chance to be an all time great if it 2586 02:09:03,880 --> 02:09:07,000 Speaker 4: all works, like if everything comes together and he stays 2587 02:09:07,000 --> 02:09:10,240 Speaker 4: healthy and his body doesn't betray him, he's got all 2588 02:09:10,320 --> 02:09:12,800 Speaker 4: the tools. And then I think you can say that. 2589 02:09:12,920 --> 02:09:16,080 Speaker 4: But when you say he might be the greatest prospect 2590 02:09:16,160 --> 02:09:19,760 Speaker 4: in the history of American team sports, to me, that's embarrassing, 2591 02:09:20,280 --> 02:09:23,240 Speaker 4: Like there's no reason to say something like that, and 2592 02:09:23,320 --> 02:09:25,680 Speaker 4: it's such a I mean, it's a subjective comment and 2593 02:09:25,720 --> 02:09:31,480 Speaker 4: it gets people talking, but it's just it's unnecessary and 2594 02:09:31,640 --> 02:09:33,720 Speaker 4: I again, it's just like why do you need to 2595 02:09:33,760 --> 02:09:36,560 Speaker 4: do that to him? I mean, he's a young, young, 2596 02:09:37,000 --> 02:09:39,480 Speaker 4: young guy with a lot of life in front of him. 2597 02:09:40,040 --> 02:09:43,240 Speaker 4: He hasn't played a second yet, and you're gonna throw 2598 02:09:43,360 --> 02:09:45,840 Speaker 4: that at him, Like he's not even a guy that's 2599 02:09:45,880 --> 02:09:47,880 Speaker 4: been you know, we haven't been watching his high school 2600 02:09:47,920 --> 02:09:52,040 Speaker 4: games on national television or cable television for the last 2601 02:09:52,040 --> 02:09:54,880 Speaker 4: three years either, Like he's not even a guy like that, 2602 02:09:55,600 --> 02:09:59,240 Speaker 4: and just everything that's being said about him on all sides, 2603 02:09:59,280 --> 02:10:02,840 Speaker 4: it's just can we just let's just stop. Let's wait 2604 02:10:02,920 --> 02:10:05,480 Speaker 4: until the NBA season starts. So let's get really excited 2605 02:10:05,480 --> 02:10:07,600 Speaker 4: about him because we've heard a whole lot about him, 2606 02:10:07,840 --> 02:10:11,840 Speaker 4: and then let's evaluate what happens if it's cool with 2607 02:10:12,120 --> 02:10:15,680 Speaker 4: the rest of you after we actually see him on 2608 02:10:15,760 --> 02:10:18,400 Speaker 4: an NBA floor first season, like, let's watch it. I 2609 02:10:18,400 --> 02:10:21,720 Speaker 4: didn't know what Paula Bancaro was gonna do in year one. 2610 02:10:22,240 --> 02:10:24,240 Speaker 4: There was a lot of debate about him when we 2611 02:10:24,280 --> 02:10:26,840 Speaker 4: found out he was gonna go number one, because everybody 2612 02:10:26,880 --> 02:10:30,040 Speaker 4: thought it was gonna be Jabari Smith and it turned 2613 02:10:30,040 --> 02:10:32,320 Speaker 4: out it wasn't. And turns out maybe the Magic knew 2614 02:10:32,360 --> 02:10:34,480 Speaker 4: what they were doing because ban Caro was really good. 2615 02:10:34,560 --> 02:10:36,720 Speaker 4: We got to see that for a year sure, and 2616 02:10:36,760 --> 02:10:38,560 Speaker 4: now we know we're about to see ban Caro play 2617 02:10:38,600 --> 02:10:41,720 Speaker 4: for the Play for the Country this summer, and that's 2618 02:10:41,760 --> 02:10:45,240 Speaker 4: fantastic and a great story that you told earlier, But 2619 02:10:46,120 --> 02:10:49,400 Speaker 4: we got to watch that for ourselves. I think we 2620 02:10:49,560 --> 02:10:52,320 Speaker 4: need to do the same thing, not just for our 2621 02:10:52,360 --> 02:10:55,400 Speaker 4: own sanity, but also for the fairness for him, Like 2622 02:10:55,520 --> 02:10:57,320 Speaker 4: can we let him grow or does he have to 2623 02:10:57,400 --> 02:11:00,720 Speaker 4: walk in and be an All Star on day one? 2624 02:11:00,920 --> 02:11:03,440 Speaker 4: Because that's the kind of hype that you are placing 2625 02:11:03,480 --> 02:11:05,440 Speaker 4: on him with some of the stuff that's being. 2626 02:11:05,240 --> 02:11:10,520 Speaker 2: Said really quick minute or so, because I a head 2627 02:11:10,640 --> 02:11:14,760 Speaker 2: News just tweeted in scorching hot take, this draft will 2628 02:11:14,800 --> 02:11:17,720 Speaker 2: be remembered for Scoot. Now, what I will say is this, 2629 02:11:18,240 --> 02:11:20,400 Speaker 2: I don't think there's any scenario where this draft is 2630 02:11:20,480 --> 02:11:23,720 Speaker 2: remembered for Scoot because Victor Wenbanyama is either gonna live 2631 02:11:23,880 --> 02:11:26,360 Speaker 2: up to some fact simile of the hype and he's 2632 02:11:26,360 --> 02:11:29,280 Speaker 2: gonna be awesome in an all time great or he isn't, 2633 02:11:29,360 --> 02:11:31,560 Speaker 2: and then it'll be the conversation. 2634 02:11:31,160 --> 02:11:33,000 Speaker 4: For thirty documentary exactly. 2635 02:11:33,800 --> 02:11:37,240 Speaker 2: But what percentage would you say that Scoot Henderson ends 2636 02:11:37,280 --> 02:11:38,760 Speaker 2: up as the best player out of this draft? 2637 02:11:38,840 --> 02:11:41,000 Speaker 4: US? I mean, I think it's certainly possible. Remember Zion 2638 02:11:41,040 --> 02:11:43,240 Speaker 4: was supposed to be can't miss, and I had the 2639 02:11:43,240 --> 02:11:45,240 Speaker 4: scorching ticket at that point, so I thought John Moran 2640 02:11:45,440 --> 02:11:47,840 Speaker 4: was the one in that draft that was going to 2641 02:11:47,920 --> 02:11:50,560 Speaker 4: have the better of the two careers. And look, they 2642 02:11:50,640 --> 02:11:52,920 Speaker 4: both had their issues. But I on the floor, it's 2643 02:11:52,960 --> 02:11:55,880 Speaker 4: not it's not even a question because one guy hasn't 2644 02:11:55,880 --> 02:11:59,040 Speaker 4: been hurt the entire time he's been an the NBA. 2645 02:11:59,400 --> 02:12:01,440 Speaker 4: I can I can't honestly say this. I don't know 2646 02:12:01,560 --> 02:12:03,560 Speaker 4: enough and haven't watched enough of Scoot Henderson to be 2647 02:12:03,600 --> 02:12:07,520 Speaker 4: able to say objectively anything. Could he be? Absolutely, he 2648 02:12:07,520 --> 02:12:09,680 Speaker 4: could be. I mean, just listen to what people have 2649 02:12:09,800 --> 02:12:12,280 Speaker 4: said about him. Do I think he's in the right 2650 02:12:12,320 --> 02:12:16,880 Speaker 4: situation for that right now? Not necessarily, but yeah, this 2651 02:12:16,960 --> 02:12:21,000 Speaker 4: is the Victor Winmbinyanna Draft. Regardless of what happens, He's 2652 02:12:21,040 --> 02:12:25,080 Speaker 4: going to be the story of it, even if he 2653 02:12:25,160 --> 02:12:27,000 Speaker 4: turns out to be like, can you believe he went 2654 02:12:27,120 --> 02:12:30,520 Speaker 4: number one over Scoot Henderson and Scoot Henderson goes down 2655 02:12:30,520 --> 02:12:32,040 Speaker 4: as an all the time great or something like that, 2656 02:12:32,160 --> 02:12:35,120 Speaker 4: Like if if the guy who sent that comment in 2657 02:12:35,280 --> 02:12:37,920 Speaker 4: is right, it's still gonna be about Victor. It's just 2658 02:12:37,920 --> 02:12:40,760 Speaker 4: gonna it's gonna be like the the Mike Malone syndrome 2659 02:12:41,160 --> 02:12:44,480 Speaker 4: where he's so frustrated that they're talking about Lakers adjustments 2660 02:12:44,560 --> 02:12:47,560 Speaker 4: after the Nuggets beat them instead of what the Nuggets did. 2661 02:12:48,000 --> 02:12:49,160 Speaker 4: That's just the way it's gonna be. 2662 02:12:50,400 --> 02:12:53,280 Speaker 2: That I agree with that part for sure. Is one 2663 02:12:53,280 --> 02:12:56,160 Speaker 2: way or another, it'll be remembered as the wm Banyama Draft. 2664 02:12:56,160 --> 02:12:59,400 Speaker 2: The question is if it's remembered with him living up 2665 02:12:59,400 --> 02:13:03,240 Speaker 2: to these insane expectations. Fox Sports radio erintors Jason Martin 2666 02:13:03,760 --> 02:13:06,080 Speaker 2: and we are brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Progressive 2667 02:13:06,120 --> 02:13:09,280 Speaker 2: makes bundling easy and affordable. Get a multi policy discount 2668 02:13:09,280 --> 02:13:12,200 Speaker 2: by combining your motorcycle, RV, boat, ATV and more all 2669 02:13:12,240 --> 02:13:15,600 Speaker 2: your protection in oneplace. Bundle and save at Progressive dot Com. 2670 02:13:15,640 --> 02:13:18,680 Speaker 2: Coming up, Jason, you know we didn't really get to 2671 02:13:18,800 --> 02:13:21,040 Speaker 2: the Marcus Smart story from this week. I want to 2672 02:13:21,080 --> 02:13:22,920 Speaker 2: hit on that a little bit, maybe even some Bradley 2673 02:13:22,920 --> 02:13:27,360 Speaker 2: Beal and then Nick Saban had some very interesting comments 2674 02:13:27,400 --> 02:13:30,800 Speaker 2: that we have to get to. No bigger winner in 2675 02:13:30,840 --> 02:13:34,240 Speaker 2: the history of college football. I would argue no soreer 2676 02:13:34,400 --> 02:13:37,200 Speaker 2: loser than Nick Saban. We'll display explain that. Coming up, 2677 02:13:37,280 --> 02:13:51,080 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio, Welcome back everybody. Fox Sports Radio erin Torres, 2678 02:13:51,640 --> 02:13:56,160 Speaker 2: Jason Martin broadcasting live from the tire IRAQ dot Com studios. 2679 02:13:58,240 --> 02:13:59,160 Speaker 3: Must be the money. 2680 02:13:59,440 --> 02:14:01,640 Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of a clever pun to get 2681 02:14:01,680 --> 02:14:06,440 Speaker 2: into a Bradley Beal and Marcus Smart conversation. Nothing's immediately 2682 02:14:06,480 --> 02:14:09,600 Speaker 2: jumping to me, Jason, So let's just talk Marcus Smart. 2683 02:14:10,120 --> 02:14:13,320 Speaker 2: I'll say this, you know that one and I'm sure 2684 02:14:13,360 --> 02:14:16,440 Speaker 2: for you being in the Central time zone, that was 2685 02:14:16,480 --> 02:14:19,920 Speaker 2: a late night Like I mean, I'm far from an 2686 02:14:20,000 --> 02:14:22,320 Speaker 2: NBA insider, so maybe I should have seen it coming. 2687 02:14:22,400 --> 02:14:26,000 Speaker 2: But obviously, all day on whatever day it was, I 2688 02:14:26,000 --> 02:14:29,120 Speaker 2: think it was Wednesday, you saw the Porzingis rumors floating 2689 02:14:29,160 --> 02:14:32,320 Speaker 2: around the Celtics were making a move for him. But 2690 02:14:32,400 --> 02:14:34,960 Speaker 2: to see Marcus Smart, who's been a bedrock part of 2691 02:14:35,000 --> 02:14:38,120 Speaker 2: this run for the Celtics the last five, six, seven years, 2692 02:14:38,640 --> 02:14:44,360 Speaker 2: actually moved it was the weird I'm not surprised. I 2693 02:14:44,480 --> 02:14:47,360 Speaker 2: really felt like it felt like they had to make 2694 02:14:47,560 --> 02:14:51,240 Speaker 2: some kind of change. Obviously most of the speculation's been 2695 02:14:51,240 --> 02:14:55,000 Speaker 2: on Jalen Brown, but it felt like something had to 2696 02:14:55,040 --> 02:14:58,160 Speaker 2: be done. And then from the Memphis perspective, I totally 2697 02:14:58,160 --> 02:15:01,280 Speaker 2: get it. Obviously you could criticize Marcus Smart for sometimes 2698 02:15:01,280 --> 02:15:04,440 Speaker 2: being a little too emotional, but nobody doubts that he's professional. 2699 02:15:04,520 --> 02:15:06,480 Speaker 2: Nobody doubts that he loves to hoop, Nobody doubts that 2700 02:15:06,520 --> 02:15:09,040 Speaker 2: he's going to handle himself well in a locker room 2701 02:15:09,440 --> 02:15:12,560 Speaker 2: that needs guys like that. What was your first reaction 2702 02:15:12,560 --> 02:15:14,240 Speaker 2: when you saw that Marcus Smart is now a member 2703 02:15:14,240 --> 02:15:15,480 Speaker 2: of the Memphis Grizzlies. 2704 02:15:16,320 --> 02:15:18,560 Speaker 4: That it made sense for Memphis And I wasn't sure 2705 02:15:18,600 --> 02:15:23,280 Speaker 4: on the Boston side because I felt like what we 2706 02:15:23,360 --> 02:15:26,240 Speaker 4: saw last year needed to be the end of the 2707 02:15:26,280 --> 02:15:32,360 Speaker 4: Tatum Brown connection. This past season, yeah, yeah, this past season, 2708 02:15:32,560 --> 02:15:34,320 Speaker 4: it just felt like, all right, you've done all you 2709 02:15:34,360 --> 02:15:36,680 Speaker 4: can here. This is not a good mixture. These two 2710 02:15:36,680 --> 02:15:39,640 Speaker 4: guys are not at their best playing with one another. 2711 02:15:40,240 --> 02:15:42,520 Speaker 4: I felt like Jaymen Brown needed to change the scenery. 2712 02:15:42,640 --> 02:15:45,040 Speaker 4: He's somebody that could do. He's a great player, and 2713 02:15:45,080 --> 02:15:47,080 Speaker 4: he certainly could have helped a lot of other teams, 2714 02:15:47,120 --> 02:15:50,160 Speaker 4: but I don't think that he fit the way Boston 2715 02:15:50,160 --> 02:15:52,120 Speaker 4: wanted to go, and there was it was just weird 2716 02:15:52,280 --> 02:15:55,920 Speaker 4: sometimes trying to determine who wanted to be the alpha 2717 02:15:56,000 --> 02:15:58,200 Speaker 4: on what night, and that needs to be Tatum's team 2718 02:15:58,200 --> 02:16:00,240 Speaker 4: if they're going to win a championship in my eye. 2719 02:16:01,480 --> 02:16:04,760 Speaker 4: And I felt like Marcus Smart gave them toughness and 2720 02:16:04,800 --> 02:16:08,400 Speaker 4: he gave them that emotion because sometimes I don't know, 2721 02:16:08,480 --> 02:16:10,000 Speaker 4: it's not that they were it just felt lack of 2722 02:16:10,040 --> 02:16:12,240 Speaker 4: day schoo at times with the Celtics, like it just 2723 02:16:12,360 --> 02:16:14,680 Speaker 4: there was not this sense of urgency that I felt 2724 02:16:14,720 --> 02:16:19,160 Speaker 4: like existed this season before. But it wasn't Marcus Smart's fault. 2725 02:16:19,240 --> 02:16:21,120 Speaker 4: I didn't watch that series and think it was Marcus 2726 02:16:21,160 --> 02:16:24,400 Speaker 4: Smart's issue now a few years ago that I could 2727 02:16:24,440 --> 02:16:27,800 Speaker 4: have seen because it felt like, all right, Smart is 2728 02:16:27,840 --> 02:16:31,240 Speaker 4: doing some things detrimental here, and this is before the 2729 02:16:31,280 --> 02:16:34,920 Speaker 4: finals run, and so maybe you make that move then, 2730 02:16:35,080 --> 02:16:38,400 Speaker 4: but now that just seemed odd to me. However, Look, 2731 02:16:38,400 --> 02:16:41,200 Speaker 4: you're bringing in Forard Zingis, you're bringing in maybe more offense. 2732 02:16:41,320 --> 02:16:44,160 Speaker 4: So that's the idea. Another guy that shouldn't be bad 2733 02:16:44,200 --> 02:16:47,560 Speaker 4: in the locker room. Maybe Marcus Smarty worn out as 2734 02:16:47,600 --> 02:16:51,360 Speaker 4: welcome there. Maybe behind closed doors they were, you know, 2735 02:16:51,400 --> 02:16:53,720 Speaker 4: they wanted to make a change in some way. I 2736 02:16:53,760 --> 02:16:57,480 Speaker 4: have no idea. But on the Memphis side, to your point, 2737 02:16:57,520 --> 02:16:59,439 Speaker 4: and the same thing I said earlier in the program 2738 02:16:59,840 --> 02:17:03,640 Speaker 4: make sense for Memphis because they shouldn't want anything to 2739 02:17:03,640 --> 02:17:06,440 Speaker 4: do with Dylan Brooks going forward Marcus Smart. If you 2740 02:17:08,120 --> 02:17:11,640 Speaker 4: gave Dylan Brooks some maturity and much more basketball talent, 2741 02:17:12,640 --> 02:17:15,880 Speaker 4: that's what you would have. And so they basically improved 2742 02:17:16,120 --> 02:17:17,800 Speaker 4: in that spot. They got a guy who's going to 2743 02:17:17,879 --> 02:17:20,119 Speaker 4: be good for them in the locker room, even if 2744 02:17:20,120 --> 02:17:23,480 Speaker 4: he's a little emotional. He's somebody that actually might be 2745 02:17:23,520 --> 02:17:26,280 Speaker 4: a mentor to some of those younger guys. And he's 2746 02:17:26,320 --> 02:17:28,480 Speaker 4: a veteran that's won a lot of games that's been 2747 02:17:28,520 --> 02:17:31,120 Speaker 4: in the league, that knows a lot that does I 2748 02:17:31,120 --> 02:17:33,480 Speaker 4: think have respect in the league, and so I think 2749 02:17:33,520 --> 02:17:37,000 Speaker 4: that it's it makes Memphis better. I'm not sure for 2750 02:17:37,120 --> 02:17:40,320 Speaker 4: Boston because I still think that the same problem exists 2751 02:17:40,560 --> 02:17:44,199 Speaker 4: with the just kind of odd mixture of Jayalen Brown 2752 02:17:44,240 --> 02:17:45,040 Speaker 4: and Jason Tatum. 2753 02:17:45,320 --> 02:17:47,360 Speaker 3: Let me ask you about the Bradley Beal stuff. We 2754 02:17:47,360 --> 02:17:47,840 Speaker 3: talked again. 2755 02:17:47,879 --> 02:17:49,280 Speaker 2: We talked a little bit about it in an hour 2756 02:17:49,320 --> 02:17:52,240 Speaker 2: or two, but didn't really dive deep. I'll just give 2757 02:17:52,280 --> 02:17:55,800 Speaker 2: you my quick elevator spiel on Bradley Beal and then 2758 02:17:55,920 --> 02:17:56,960 Speaker 2: I'll let you take it away. 2759 02:17:59,560 --> 02:18:06,119 Speaker 3: I couple things really. One I thought the problem. 2760 02:18:05,760 --> 02:18:07,760 Speaker 2: This year, and by the way, I know that everyone 2761 02:18:07,800 --> 02:18:10,120 Speaker 2: on this network has shared their Bradley Beal takes, so 2762 02:18:10,120 --> 02:18:12,600 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna rewrite and I'm not gonna come up 2763 02:18:12,640 --> 02:18:15,080 Speaker 2: with some amazing take that others haven't had. Over the 2764 02:18:15,160 --> 02:18:17,280 Speaker 2: last seven days since this news broke, but we haven't 2765 02:18:17,280 --> 02:18:18,560 Speaker 2: had a chance to talk about it yet, so I'll 2766 02:18:18,600 --> 02:18:22,160 Speaker 2: just share my thoughts really quick. Is that I didn't 2767 02:18:22,200 --> 02:18:24,680 Speaker 2: think and this even speaks to what you talked about 2768 02:18:24,680 --> 02:18:28,160 Speaker 2: with Mark Medina earlier in the show. The problem with 2769 02:18:29,040 --> 02:18:32,039 Speaker 2: the Suns. Wasn't their ability to put the ball in 2770 02:18:32,080 --> 02:18:36,280 Speaker 2: the basket. It was defense, and mostly it was depth. 2771 02:18:36,400 --> 02:18:39,400 Speaker 2: And I go back to the Kevin Durant trade and listen, 2772 02:18:39,400 --> 02:18:41,280 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna sit here and claim that I'm some 2773 02:18:41,480 --> 02:18:44,520 Speaker 2: genius that saw this whole thing coming, but I will say, 2774 02:18:44,560 --> 02:18:47,520 Speaker 2: if you watch the Suns three seasons ago now when 2775 02:18:47,520 --> 02:18:51,520 Speaker 2: they made the NBA Finals, what made them so successful 2776 02:18:51,560 --> 02:18:56,400 Speaker 2: in that playoff run was their depth and their athleticism, 2777 02:18:56,520 --> 02:18:59,720 Speaker 2: specifically on the wings, specifically with Michale Bridges and Cam 2778 02:18:59,800 --> 02:19:03,240 Speaker 2: j And So to give both of those guys up, 2779 02:19:03,360 --> 02:19:06,119 Speaker 2: I get that you're getting a generational talent and Kevin 2780 02:19:06,200 --> 02:19:08,640 Speaker 2: Durant one of the great scores this sport has ever seen. 2781 02:19:09,240 --> 02:19:12,200 Speaker 2: But I sat there and said, man, it feels like 2782 02:19:12,240 --> 02:19:15,240 Speaker 2: they sort of gave up a lot in two starting 2783 02:19:15,320 --> 02:19:18,640 Speaker 2: caliber players that have been there in big moments. So 2784 02:19:19,280 --> 02:19:21,360 Speaker 2: it obviously falls apart in the playoffs, and by the way, 2785 02:19:21,400 --> 02:19:23,760 Speaker 2: falls apart as relative because they took two games off 2786 02:19:23,800 --> 02:19:27,720 Speaker 2: the Sun, something that the Heat and Lakers combined couldn't do. 2787 02:19:28,680 --> 02:19:31,840 Speaker 2: But I don't know, Like the Bradley Beal thing, it 2788 02:19:32,040 --> 02:19:34,640 Speaker 2: sounds really cool on paper, but I thought the biggest 2789 02:19:34,640 --> 02:19:37,560 Speaker 2: issue was they needed more depth, they needed more size, 2790 02:19:37,600 --> 02:19:41,120 Speaker 2: they needed more defensive versatility, and all they got was 2791 02:19:41,160 --> 02:19:44,080 Speaker 2: another guy that'll average twenty seven points per game, but 2792 02:19:44,120 --> 02:19:46,080 Speaker 2: I don't know that he helps anything. 2793 02:19:46,000 --> 02:19:48,040 Speaker 3: To do with what their issues were. 2794 02:19:48,600 --> 02:19:50,320 Speaker 2: So this to me, and I said it the day 2795 02:19:50,360 --> 02:19:53,200 Speaker 2: that it happened, it feels like a little bit more 2796 02:19:53,200 --> 02:19:57,480 Speaker 2: of a mature, grown up Katie Harden and Kyrie And 2797 02:19:57,520 --> 02:19:59,200 Speaker 2: how did that work out? And I know people say, well, 2798 02:19:59,280 --> 02:20:01,440 Speaker 2: you know, if if James Hardy doesn't get hurt, if 2799 02:20:01,520 --> 02:20:03,200 Speaker 2: Kyrie doesn't get hurt. Yeah, but that's kind of the 2800 02:20:03,240 --> 02:20:06,160 Speaker 2: point when you have no depth, when you have to 2801 02:20:06,200 --> 02:20:09,680 Speaker 2: have guys play forty three, forty two, forty one minutes, 2802 02:20:09,720 --> 02:20:14,000 Speaker 2: forty four minutes a game in the playoffs. Eventually, I 2803 02:20:14,040 --> 02:20:15,879 Speaker 2: hate to say it, and I hope I'm wrong on this, 2804 02:20:15,959 --> 02:20:18,480 Speaker 2: but eventually there are going to be injuries because that's 2805 02:20:18,520 --> 02:20:21,039 Speaker 2: too much for guys to be playing in high leverage 2806 02:20:21,080 --> 02:20:23,320 Speaker 2: games for four straight rounds. So that is a very 2807 02:20:23,360 --> 02:20:26,720 Speaker 2: long winded way of me saying I can't say I 2808 02:20:26,760 --> 02:20:28,720 Speaker 2: give the trade an F or anything, but I don't 2809 02:20:28,720 --> 02:20:32,039 Speaker 2: think it really solved anything, even though it's a cool 2810 02:20:32,120 --> 02:20:34,720 Speaker 2: thing and it made for a good conversation on Twitter 2811 02:20:34,760 --> 02:20:36,359 Speaker 2: and on these Fox Sports radio airwaves. 2812 02:20:36,360 --> 02:20:38,560 Speaker 4: Comes Sunday and Monday, It'll be fun to watch, and 2813 02:20:38,600 --> 02:20:41,680 Speaker 4: I'm excited to see Bradley Beal play games that matter. 2814 02:20:42,040 --> 02:20:46,600 Speaker 4: I'm interested to see how he reacts because Katie's going 2815 02:20:46,640 --> 02:20:48,800 Speaker 4: to attract a lot of attention, Devin Booker is still 2816 02:20:48,800 --> 02:20:50,920 Speaker 4: going to attract a lot of attention, and Phoenix really 2817 02:20:51,000 --> 02:20:53,080 Speaker 4: likes him, and the city likes him, and the fans 2818 02:20:53,160 --> 02:20:58,080 Speaker 4: like him. Bradley Beal is a super likable player who 2819 02:20:58,160 --> 02:21:04,200 Speaker 4: is going from basically obscurity to cameras gonna be on 2820 02:21:04,280 --> 02:21:06,280 Speaker 4: him all the time because he's gonna be part of 2821 02:21:06,280 --> 02:21:08,160 Speaker 4: the Suns, and we're gonna see a whole lot of 2822 02:21:08,200 --> 02:21:11,240 Speaker 4: the Suns next year. I want to see how he 2823 02:21:11,280 --> 02:21:15,600 Speaker 4: reacts to that. But the more important side of it 2824 02:21:15,640 --> 02:21:19,520 Speaker 4: is just he seems to bring you what you already had. 2825 02:21:20,400 --> 02:21:23,600 Speaker 4: He brings you nothing new because he's not a defensive stopper. 2826 02:21:24,000 --> 02:21:26,000 Speaker 4: He's not a particularly big guy either, so he's not 2827 02:21:26,000 --> 02:21:27,920 Speaker 4: gonna add to your size problem or he's not gonna 2828 02:21:27,920 --> 02:21:31,240 Speaker 4: help your size problem. He shoots the basketball, and he 2829 02:21:31,280 --> 02:21:33,840 Speaker 4: shoots it very well. And when he gets hot, boy, 2830 02:21:33,879 --> 02:21:35,280 Speaker 4: get out of the way. I mean, he can get 2831 02:21:35,280 --> 02:21:39,119 Speaker 4: incredibly hot, he shoots well from distance. He's another sharp 2832 02:21:39,120 --> 02:21:42,520 Speaker 4: shooting guy. You already got that. Like, the problem for 2833 02:21:42,560 --> 02:21:46,880 Speaker 4: Phoenix wasn't scoring. It was depth and defense and toughness 2834 02:21:47,000 --> 02:21:50,040 Speaker 4: in those things. And he doesn't bring that. He's a 2835 02:21:50,080 --> 02:21:52,440 Speaker 4: great basketball player, but he needed to go to a 2836 02:21:52,480 --> 02:21:56,680 Speaker 4: team that was defensive already and but was built up 2837 02:21:56,680 --> 02:22:01,120 Speaker 4: but needed another scorer. I just don't Thinkhoenix is Phoenix 2838 02:22:01,200 --> 02:22:03,800 Speaker 4: might be looking at what Golden State did in twenty sixteen, 2839 02:22:04,280 --> 02:22:06,560 Speaker 4: but they forget that. What Golden State did and you 2840 02:22:06,600 --> 02:22:11,120 Speaker 4: know around that timeframe, in addition to acquiring Durant, was 2841 02:22:11,200 --> 02:22:13,320 Speaker 4: grab a lot of guys that did a lot of 2842 02:22:13,320 --> 02:22:16,680 Speaker 4: dirty work for them. And you heard Martin Medina tell 2843 02:22:16,720 --> 02:22:18,360 Speaker 4: us earlier. Yeah, they might be able to get a 2844 02:22:18,440 --> 02:22:20,360 Speaker 4: few guys, but people are not gonna line up to 2845 02:22:20,360 --> 02:22:22,920 Speaker 4: go to Phoenix to play there. Like, I don't since 2846 02:22:23,000 --> 02:22:25,560 Speaker 4: that being a Golden State exodus, because if you look 2847 02:22:25,560 --> 02:22:28,160 Speaker 4: at the Western Conference, I look at all the teams, 2848 02:22:28,280 --> 02:22:30,360 Speaker 4: and Denver is far and above to be the best 2849 02:22:30,400 --> 02:22:32,880 Speaker 4: team in that conference. I know they just won a championship, 2850 02:22:32,879 --> 02:22:34,879 Speaker 4: and it's always trendy to pick the champion to still 2851 02:22:34,879 --> 02:22:37,840 Speaker 4: be good next year. But we talked about it right 2852 02:22:37,879 --> 02:22:40,560 Speaker 4: after the title. I mean, they've got guys in their 2853 02:22:40,600 --> 02:22:44,039 Speaker 4: prime twenty eight, twenty seven, twenty six, twenty four years old. 2854 02:22:44,320 --> 02:22:47,280 Speaker 4: Those are the four best players their ages. They're gonna 2855 02:22:47,280 --> 02:22:49,240 Speaker 4: be good for a while, and they're all locked in 2856 02:22:49,320 --> 02:22:51,760 Speaker 4: for at least two more seasons. And it doesn't seem 2857 02:22:51,800 --> 02:22:53,560 Speaker 4: like anybody's trying to get out of there right now. 2858 02:22:54,040 --> 02:22:56,879 Speaker 4: So I'm not sure that you're not playing for second 2859 02:22:56,959 --> 02:22:59,519 Speaker 4: right now. Anyway, if you're going to Phoenix. 2860 02:22:59,720 --> 02:23:02,640 Speaker 2: It's an interesting thought, and again I think it makes 2861 02:23:02,640 --> 02:23:05,959 Speaker 2: for interesting conversation on social media. I don't know that, 2862 02:23:06,040 --> 02:23:08,240 Speaker 2: in my opinion, it makes them any closer to your 2863 02:23:08,280 --> 02:23:11,199 Speaker 2: point to the Denver Nuggets. Fox Sports Radio Era Torres, 2864 02:23:11,240 --> 02:23:15,560 Speaker 2: Jason Martin coming up, Nick Saban, Oh, Nick Saban. 2865 02:23:15,720 --> 02:23:16,959 Speaker 3: I cannot believe what he said. 2866 02:23:16,959 --> 02:23:20,000 Speaker 2: We'll explain next but first final time this evening, that's 2867 02:23:20,000 --> 02:23:21,279 Speaker 2: tossed News desk to Seger. 2868 02:23:21,680 --> 02:23:24,320 Speaker 6: Couple items we've mentioned earlier in the show that NBA 2869 02:23:24,440 --> 02:23:27,240 Speaker 6: Rookie of the Year Pallo Bancaro will reportedly play for 2870 02:23:27,280 --> 02:23:29,760 Speaker 6: the US this summer at the Basketball World Cup. In 2871 02:23:29,800 --> 02:23:32,600 Speaker 6: other words, not for Italy also committing to this year's 2872 02:23:32,640 --> 02:23:35,520 Speaker 6: Team USA. This is not official yet. We haven't had 2873 02:23:35,560 --> 02:23:38,760 Speaker 6: an announcement from Grant Hill yet, who's running things managing 2874 02:23:38,840 --> 02:23:42,120 Speaker 6: director for the US men, but due to have defensive 2875 02:23:42,120 --> 02:23:45,320 Speaker 6: Player of the Year Jaren Jackson, all rookie Walker Kessler 2876 02:23:45,440 --> 02:23:47,760 Speaker 6: also on the US roster, due to be All Stars 2877 02:23:47,800 --> 02:23:51,640 Speaker 6: Anthony Edwards, Tyrese Halliburton and others. Team of USA will 2878 02:23:51,680 --> 02:23:54,600 Speaker 6: be playing in Manila in late August. One of the 2879 02:23:54,640 --> 02:23:57,920 Speaker 6: Americans assistants this summer is from the Heat, Eric Spolster, 2880 02:23:58,040 --> 02:24:01,160 Speaker 6: whose mom is from the Philippines. Deep Curve Golden State 2881 02:24:01,280 --> 02:24:03,879 Speaker 6: is the US head coach training camp in Vegas starts 2882 02:24:03,920 --> 02:24:06,600 Speaker 6: in early August. And I know you know this, but 2883 02:24:07,240 --> 02:24:10,160 Speaker 6: I'll bring it up anyway. There was a USFL semifinal 2884 02:24:10,240 --> 02:24:13,760 Speaker 6: this evening, which Pittsburgh won in overtime, defeating Michigan thirty 2885 02:24:13,800 --> 02:24:14,680 Speaker 6: one to twenty seven. 2886 02:24:14,800 --> 02:24:15,640 Speaker 3: One thing I will. 2887 02:24:15,480 --> 02:24:18,120 Speaker 2: Say about the exit, what is it USFL that I respect? 2888 02:24:18,720 --> 02:24:22,039 Speaker 2: Every other league has decided on the East West model. 2889 02:24:22,440 --> 02:24:24,920 Speaker 2: They said, no, no, no, We're going north south. That's how 2890 02:24:24,920 --> 02:24:26,959 Speaker 2: we're gonna do. That's how we're gonna divide our league 2891 02:24:27,040 --> 02:24:27,840 Speaker 2: up geographically. 2892 02:24:27,840 --> 02:24:30,920 Speaker 6: So this is your North Division champions. I'm saying tonight 2893 02:24:31,480 --> 02:24:35,080 Speaker 6: a battle of four and six teams. The Pittsburgh Mallers 2894 02:24:35,120 --> 02:24:37,840 Speaker 6: get the go ahead touchdown pass in the final minute 2895 02:24:37,840 --> 02:24:40,120 Speaker 6: and the Michigan Panthers come back to tie it on 2896 02:24:40,160 --> 02:24:41,240 Speaker 6: a forty seven yard field. 2897 02:24:41,400 --> 02:24:43,760 Speaker 2: I will say I was just thinking today, when we 2898 02:24:43,920 --> 02:24:47,520 Speaker 2: look back on the twenty twenty three USFL season, parody 2899 02:24:47,640 --> 02:24:50,240 Speaker 2: will be the story that I remember most about this. 2900 02:24:50,360 --> 02:24:51,280 Speaker 4: Yes, well, I don't know. 2901 02:24:51,480 --> 02:24:54,640 Speaker 6: You got your Birmingham Stallions hosting the other semifinal on 2902 02:24:54,720 --> 02:24:57,760 Speaker 6: Fox tomorrow night, and they're eight and two. They're defending champs. 2903 02:24:57,800 --> 02:24:59,520 Speaker 6: So so much for that there. You know, you got 2904 02:24:59,520 --> 02:25:02,360 Speaker 6: to get through Birmingham. I didn't get to did get 2905 02:25:02,400 --> 02:25:07,040 Speaker 6: to see the USFL style overtime where it's not full possessions, 2906 02:25:07,440 --> 02:25:12,039 Speaker 6: it's just alternating two point conversion attempts where each team 2907 02:25:12,080 --> 02:25:14,240 Speaker 6: gets a max of three attempts and then you see 2908 02:25:14,280 --> 02:25:15,520 Speaker 6: who has the most points. 2909 02:25:15,680 --> 02:25:17,840 Speaker 3: Oh my god, now it turns into. 2910 02:25:17,680 --> 02:25:21,040 Speaker 4: One with like Iowa and Illinois. 2911 02:25:21,120 --> 02:25:22,440 Speaker 3: It was Illinois Penn State. 2912 02:25:22,520 --> 02:25:26,480 Speaker 4: The finals was twenty nineteen seventeen or some nonsense. 2913 02:25:26,840 --> 02:25:30,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was like eleven quote unquote overtimes, which 2914 02:25:30,520 --> 02:25:31,840 Speaker 2: were all two point conversions. 2915 02:25:31,879 --> 02:25:33,160 Speaker 3: It's awful on paper. 2916 02:25:33,200 --> 02:25:35,360 Speaker 6: You're right, though, if it was Iowa Illinois, we would 2917 02:25:35,360 --> 02:25:38,800 Speaker 6: all expect that result. So Michigan failed on its first 2918 02:25:38,800 --> 02:25:41,120 Speaker 6: two to two point tries, and they already were down 2919 02:25:41,200 --> 02:25:43,600 Speaker 6: four nothing by that time, so they didn't even give 2920 02:25:43,640 --> 02:25:47,960 Speaker 6: him a third session by then. Season over US men's 2921 02:25:47,959 --> 02:25:50,600 Speaker 6: soccer was on FS one tonight, opening the Gold Cup 2922 02:25:50,600 --> 02:25:53,879 Speaker 6: tournament in Chicago. The Americans needed a goal late in 2923 02:25:53,959 --> 02:25:56,600 Speaker 6: the game to tie Jamaica one won the final. The 2924 02:25:56,680 --> 02:25:59,120 Speaker 6: US did out shoot him thirteen to six. Three more 2925 02:25:59,160 --> 02:26:03,280 Speaker 6: tournament games on FS one Sunday, including Mexico's opener tomorrow. 2926 02:26:03,800 --> 02:26:06,920 Speaker 6: US goalie Matt Turner, who plays for Arsenal, one of 2927 02:26:06,959 --> 02:26:09,760 Speaker 6: the players who played for the US World Cup team 2928 02:26:09,840 --> 02:26:11,720 Speaker 6: last team. One of the seven guys that's on this 2929 02:26:11,840 --> 02:26:14,920 Speaker 6: tournament roster. Turner saved a penalty kick first half that 2930 02:26:15,040 --> 02:26:17,520 Speaker 6: was huge. Keegan Bradley as a one stroke lead. At 2931 02:26:17,560 --> 02:26:20,800 Speaker 6: the Travelers Championship in Connecticut, Ricky Fowler shot a third 2932 02:26:20,879 --> 02:26:23,560 Speaker 6: round sixty and moved up to a tie for fourth 2933 02:26:23,560 --> 02:26:26,520 Speaker 6: place six shots back. Meanwhile, in New Jersey, the Women's 2934 02:26:26,560 --> 02:26:29,760 Speaker 6: PGA is this weekend. Final round will start early tomorrow 2935 02:26:29,760 --> 02:26:33,080 Speaker 6: because it's due to rain there in the afternoon. Rose 2936 02:26:33,280 --> 02:26:37,039 Speaker 6: Jang from Stanford recently won her pro debut. She's in 2937 02:26:37,040 --> 02:26:39,560 Speaker 6: this major. After a third round sixty eight, She's now 2938 02:26:39,600 --> 02:26:43,320 Speaker 6: tied for twelfth place. Ireland's Leona McGuire leads by one. 2939 02:26:43,760 --> 02:26:47,760 Speaker 6: College World Series final opener was tonight at Elbaha. Late 2940 02:26:47,800 --> 02:26:50,800 Speaker 6: home run from LSU gives him an eleven inning victory 2941 02:26:50,800 --> 02:26:53,600 Speaker 6: over number two ranked Florida four to three, and LSU's 2942 02:26:53,600 --> 02:26:57,040 Speaker 6: starting pitcher Ty Floyd no decision, but in eight innings 2943 02:26:57,040 --> 02:27:00,600 Speaker 6: he had seventeen strikeouts one walk. And then there's the 2944 02:27:00,640 --> 02:27:04,080 Speaker 6: major league schedule, which included the final game of the night. 2945 02:27:04,240 --> 02:27:07,200 Speaker 6: The Angels leading at Colorado twenty three to nothing in 2946 02:27:07,240 --> 02:27:10,640 Speaker 6: the fourth inning, twenty five to won the final solo 2947 02:27:10,680 --> 02:27:12,720 Speaker 6: homer for the Rockies in the bottom of the eighth, 2948 02:27:12,720 --> 02:27:15,040 Speaker 6: So the Halo set franchise record for runs in a 2949 02:27:15,080 --> 02:27:18,240 Speaker 6: game hits in a game. Shoe Otani had his sixtieth 2950 02:27:18,320 --> 02:27:20,800 Speaker 6: RBI of the season were not quite to the halfway point, 2951 02:27:21,360 --> 02:27:25,080 Speaker 6: but he did go just one of seven from on 2952 02:27:25,120 --> 02:27:27,760 Speaker 6: the plate. At the plate, I should say on the 2953 02:27:27,800 --> 02:27:30,560 Speaker 6: field in San Diego, it was Washington beating the Padres 2954 02:27:30,600 --> 02:27:33,840 Speaker 6: two to nothing. Padre offense just four hits and twelve strikeouts. 2955 02:27:34,160 --> 02:27:36,680 Speaker 6: Dodgers were down to Houston in the Fox TV game 2956 02:27:36,720 --> 02:27:37,160 Speaker 6: for most of. 2957 02:27:37,160 --> 02:27:37,920 Speaker 4: The country tonight. 2958 02:27:38,040 --> 02:27:41,240 Speaker 6: LA trailed seventh three in the seventh and then got 2959 02:27:41,240 --> 02:27:43,320 Speaker 6: a two run homer bottom of the seventh, three runs 2960 02:27:43,320 --> 02:27:45,560 Speaker 6: bottom of the eighth and won eight seven, and the 2961 02:27:45,560 --> 02:27:48,840 Speaker 6: go ahead run for LA scored on a balk in 2962 02:27:48,879 --> 02:27:52,440 Speaker 6: the eighth inning. Kansas City and Detroit with wins Miami 2963 02:27:52,480 --> 02:27:54,920 Speaker 6: and eleven innings came back to be Pittsburgh four to three. 2964 02:27:54,920 --> 02:27:57,160 Speaker 6: The Pirates had lost ten in a row until last 2965 02:27:57,240 --> 02:28:00,520 Speaker 6: night's win. Luisa Riaz of the Marlins two run homer 2966 02:28:00,560 --> 02:28:04,000 Speaker 6: he's betting four to oh one White Sox in Cleveland 2967 02:28:04,040 --> 02:28:06,680 Speaker 6: each one. Toronto beat Oakland seven to three. The A's 2968 02:28:06,720 --> 02:28:09,520 Speaker 6: had lost eighth straight until last night's win. The road 2969 02:28:09,600 --> 02:28:12,520 Speaker 6: record for the Oakland A's right now is eleven and thirty. 2970 02:28:13,000 --> 02:28:16,200 Speaker 6: San Francisco beat Arizona seven to six. Diamondbacks are the 2971 02:28:16,200 --> 02:28:18,120 Speaker 6: first place team in the EDL West game and a 2972 02:28:18,160 --> 02:28:20,840 Speaker 6: half over the Giants, two up on the Dodgers. Max 2973 02:28:20,879 --> 02:28:22,600 Speaker 6: Scherzer and the Mets got a four to two win 2974 02:28:22,640 --> 02:28:25,600 Speaker 6: at Philadelphia today the Phillies. Kyle Schwarber went zero for 2975 02:28:25,720 --> 02:28:29,840 Speaker 6: four to three strikeouts. He's betting one eighty two. Baltimore 2976 02:28:29,879 --> 02:28:32,400 Speaker 6: on a tenth inning homer, beat Seattle six to four. 2977 02:28:33,120 --> 02:28:36,480 Speaker 6: Yankees won nothing over Texas. Aaron Judge, who's on the 2978 02:28:36,520 --> 02:28:38,720 Speaker 6: injured list, says he has a torn ligament in his 2979 02:28:38,800 --> 02:28:41,640 Speaker 6: right big toe. Still no timetable for Judge to return, 2980 02:28:41,640 --> 02:28:44,440 Speaker 6: and he's still in payin walking, he says. In London, 2981 02:28:44,440 --> 02:28:46,800 Speaker 6: the Cubs beat up Saint Louis nine to one. It 2982 02:28:46,840 --> 02:28:49,640 Speaker 6: was seven nothing Cubs in the fourth inning. Tomorrow. Saint 2983 02:28:49,720 --> 02:28:52,600 Speaker 6: Louis starter Jack Flaherty has been scratched from the Sunday 2984 02:28:52,640 --> 02:28:55,240 Speaker 6: start due to a tight hip, and the Atlanta Braves 2985 02:28:55,280 --> 02:28:58,800 Speaker 6: won again seven to six at Cincinnati, ending the reds 2986 02:28:58,879 --> 02:29:02,520 Speaker 6: twelve game winning streak. Red's first in the NL Central. 2987 02:29:02,560 --> 02:29:04,680 Speaker 6: Still a game and a half over the Brewers now 2988 02:29:04,680 --> 02:29:06,680 Speaker 6: in the bottom of the ninth, Cincinnati did hit two 2989 02:29:06,680 --> 02:29:09,440 Speaker 6: solo homers, but had three strikeouts as well and took 2990 02:29:09,480 --> 02:29:12,039 Speaker 6: the l The Reds had ended the Braves eight game 2991 02:29:12,080 --> 02:29:15,600 Speaker 6: winning streak last night with an eleven to ten final. Today, 2992 02:29:15,760 --> 02:29:19,400 Speaker 6: Travis Darnault four hits, including a home run, Atlanta's Ronald 2993 02:29:19,480 --> 02:29:22,240 Speaker 6: Acunye is batting three twenty eight and had his thirty 2994 02:29:22,240 --> 02:29:25,840 Speaker 6: fourth stolen base of the season already. Matt Olson is 2995 02:29:25,879 --> 02:29:29,960 Speaker 6: twenty fourth homer. Each team four home runs in this game. 2996 02:29:30,120 --> 02:29:33,000 Speaker 2: Back to you, Thank you very much, Steve Seger, Fox 2997 02:29:33,000 --> 02:29:36,720 Speaker 2: Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday, Aaron Torres, Jason Martin broadcasting 2998 02:29:36,720 --> 02:29:39,360 Speaker 2: live from the tyreck dot Com studios. We'll tell you 2999 02:29:39,400 --> 02:29:42,560 Speaker 2: what We'll come back. Got to wait two more minutes 3000 02:29:42,600 --> 02:29:45,760 Speaker 2: to hear the insanity of what Nick Saban had to 3001 02:29:45,800 --> 02:29:48,720 Speaker 2: say this week with Joel Klatt. We'll explain what he 3002 02:29:48,879 --> 02:29:52,240 Speaker 2: said and why he is dead wrong. That's next, Fox 3003 02:29:52,240 --> 02:29:53,879 Speaker 2: Sports arete and. 3004 02:29:54,000 --> 02:29:54,720 Speaker 1: Only one out. 3005 02:29:55,520 --> 02:29:58,520 Speaker 3: Oh Fletch, Get up, Get up. 3006 02:30:00,280 --> 02:30:07,959 Speaker 4: Gone? What lives? Three runs, bold run. 3007 02:30:07,800 --> 02:30:09,800 Speaker 3: For fless curst off the season. 3008 02:30:11,440 --> 02:30:15,879 Speaker 2: That call courtesy of Bally Sports West TV as the 3009 02:30:16,000 --> 02:30:18,320 Speaker 2: Los Angeles Angels. 3010 02:30:17,879 --> 02:30:22,520 Speaker 3: In Colorado a twenty five to one win. 3011 02:30:23,520 --> 02:30:26,440 Speaker 2: And that was the Progressive play of the day, brought 3012 02:30:26,440 --> 02:30:29,520 Speaker 2: to you by Progressive Insurance. Progressive makes bundling easy and affordable. 3013 02:30:29,720 --> 02:30:33,400 Speaker 2: Get a multi policy discount by combining your motorcycle, RV, boat, 3014 02:30:33,480 --> 02:30:36,520 Speaker 2: ATV and more all your protection in one place. Bundle 3015 02:30:36,520 --> 02:30:39,920 Speaker 2: and save it Progressive dot Com. All right, Jason, So 3016 02:30:40,120 --> 02:30:43,920 Speaker 2: I've been teasing this Nick Saban sound here for basically 3017 02:30:43,959 --> 02:30:47,680 Speaker 2: the entire hour. Uh, and I want to play it now. 3018 02:30:47,800 --> 02:30:52,080 Speaker 2: Nick Saban was with Joel Clatt earlier this week on 3019 02:30:52,160 --> 02:30:55,640 Speaker 2: the Joel Clatt Podcast and was asked about college football 3020 02:30:55,680 --> 02:30:59,480 Speaker 2: playoff expansion. Here is what Nick Saban had to say. 3021 02:31:00,040 --> 02:31:03,080 Speaker 8: Problem with the way the whole system is. All we 3022 02:31:03,120 --> 02:31:05,040 Speaker 8: do is take the teams that win the most games 3023 02:31:05,080 --> 02:31:07,440 Speaker 8: at the end of the year and put them in 3024 02:31:07,480 --> 02:31:10,560 Speaker 8: the playoffs. But do you really get the best teams? 3025 02:31:10,800 --> 02:31:13,000 Speaker 8: When they told me that we would be favored against 3026 02:31:13,000 --> 02:31:15,120 Speaker 8: three out of the four teams that got in the playoffs, 3027 02:31:15,760 --> 02:31:18,480 Speaker 8: I'm like, well, why aren't we in the playoffs? But 3028 02:31:18,879 --> 02:31:21,080 Speaker 8: if you're going to have parody, you have to have 3029 02:31:21,120 --> 02:31:23,240 Speaker 8: a better way of figuring out who has the best teams, 3030 02:31:23,600 --> 02:31:26,160 Speaker 8: not just because you lose two games on the last 3031 02:31:26,200 --> 02:31:26,879 Speaker 8: play of the game. 3032 02:31:27,920 --> 02:31:30,959 Speaker 2: So that was Nick Saban courtesy of The Joe Klatz Show. Guys, 3033 02:31:30,959 --> 02:31:34,360 Speaker 2: thanks for having that ready to go. So, Jason, I 3034 02:31:34,440 --> 02:31:37,120 Speaker 2: don't know if you remember this, but you and I 3035 02:31:37,160 --> 02:31:40,200 Speaker 2: obviously were on this time slote every Saturday and this 3036 02:31:40,280 --> 02:31:43,160 Speaker 2: past fall we were obviously on during the Big Ten 3037 02:31:43,240 --> 02:31:46,720 Speaker 2: championship game between Michigan and Purdue. And I bring it 3038 02:31:46,800 --> 02:31:52,080 Speaker 2: up because I remember seeing Nick Sabin being interviewed during 3039 02:31:52,080 --> 02:31:55,440 Speaker 2: that game, and I found it very strange, and it 3040 02:31:55,560 --> 02:31:58,800 Speaker 2: turned out that he was basically making the same argument 3041 02:31:58,840 --> 02:32:01,480 Speaker 2: as to why Alabama should be in the playoff. Yeah, 3042 02:32:01,480 --> 02:32:04,200 Speaker 2: if you remember, for the casual fan people who might 3043 02:32:04,200 --> 02:32:07,720 Speaker 2: not remember, Georgia and Michigan were in no matter what. 3044 02:32:08,280 --> 02:32:10,440 Speaker 2: And then really it came down to three teams for 3045 02:32:10,480 --> 02:32:13,160 Speaker 2: the final two spots. A TCU team that was twelve 3046 02:32:13,160 --> 02:32:14,959 Speaker 2: to zero in the regular season but had lost in 3047 02:32:14,959 --> 02:32:17,440 Speaker 2: the College or lost in the Big twelve championship game, 3048 02:32:17,959 --> 02:32:20,280 Speaker 2: Ohio State which was eleven to one but had lost 3049 02:32:20,320 --> 02:32:23,320 Speaker 2: their biggest game of the regular season to Michigan. Or 3050 02:32:23,360 --> 02:32:25,360 Speaker 2: a ten to two Alabama team who had lost the 3051 02:32:25,360 --> 02:32:28,280 Speaker 2: two biggest games on the schedule to Tennessee and LSU. 3052 02:32:29,080 --> 02:32:31,879 Speaker 2: And so Nick Saban on the Big Ten broadcast basically 3053 02:32:31,879 --> 02:32:35,000 Speaker 2: made the same argument. And I think either on air 3054 02:32:35,080 --> 02:32:37,280 Speaker 2: that day or the next week, I started calling him 3055 02:32:37,640 --> 02:32:42,119 Speaker 2: Vegas Nicky Nicky point spreads because you know that Nick 3056 02:32:42,200 --> 02:32:46,440 Speaker 2: Saban has no real leg to stand on about his 3057 02:32:46,480 --> 02:32:48,640 Speaker 2: team deserving to be one of the four teams in the. 3058 02:32:48,600 --> 02:32:49,760 Speaker 3: College Football Playoff. 3059 02:32:50,080 --> 02:32:53,440 Speaker 2: When he starts talking about Vegas, point spreads have never 3060 02:32:53,520 --> 02:32:56,800 Speaker 2: heard him make that argument before, up until it looked 3061 02:32:56,800 --> 02:32:58,400 Speaker 2: like he was gonna get left out of the playoff. 3062 02:32:58,400 --> 02:33:02,520 Speaker 2: That's exactly what happened. And once again he goes to 3063 02:33:02,640 --> 02:33:04,640 Speaker 2: Joel Klatt. This week, he didn't go to Joel Clatt. 3064 02:33:04,680 --> 02:33:06,600 Speaker 2: Joel Clatt was lucky enough to interview him. He is 3065 02:33:06,600 --> 02:33:09,840 Speaker 2: an all time great Nick Saban, But this is the 3066 02:33:10,160 --> 02:33:15,199 Speaker 2: lamest excuse ever for being left out of the playoff. 3067 02:33:15,400 --> 02:33:18,080 Speaker 2: And while I understand the general point, we have to 3068 02:33:18,120 --> 02:33:20,160 Speaker 2: be careful how we determine who the best teams are. 3069 02:33:20,720 --> 02:33:23,680 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Nick Saban, you did not deserve to be 3070 02:33:23,680 --> 02:33:24,160 Speaker 2: in the playoff. 3071 02:33:24,240 --> 02:33:24,800 Speaker 4: Last year. 3072 02:33:26,800 --> 02:33:27,120 Speaker 3: Ran over. 3073 02:33:27,200 --> 02:33:29,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we saw it. It was not It 3074 02:33:29,160 --> 02:33:32,800 Speaker 4: was not a this was not a banner Alabama team. 3075 02:33:32,920 --> 02:33:35,840 Speaker 4: It just wasn't. It was a great quarterback. I like 3076 02:33:35,959 --> 02:33:39,240 Speaker 4: Jamir Gibbs. We talked about the lack of skill position 3077 02:33:39,320 --> 02:33:41,680 Speaker 4: players when it came to the wide receiver position compared 3078 02:33:41,760 --> 02:33:44,080 Speaker 4: to years past, and we it just didn't look the same, 3079 02:33:44,160 --> 02:33:46,480 Speaker 4: it didn't feel the same. And this is coming from 3080 02:33:46,480 --> 02:33:49,000 Speaker 4: somebody that kind of likes Alabama a little bit and 3081 02:33:49,080 --> 02:33:53,480 Speaker 4: loves Nick Saban. His point could be right, and it 3082 02:33:53,520 --> 02:33:56,400 Speaker 4: still doesn't matter. They still lost those two games. Yes, 3083 02:33:56,480 --> 02:33:58,320 Speaker 4: I mean they lost on a final play of the game. 3084 02:33:59,120 --> 02:34:01,960 Speaker 4: Maybe that lost Tennessee looks a lot better if Tennessee 3085 02:34:02,000 --> 02:34:05,160 Speaker 4: doesn't lose to South Carolina. And it's not just because 3086 02:34:05,200 --> 02:34:08,080 Speaker 4: Hendon Hooker went down, because before Hendon Hooker went down, 3087 02:34:08,080 --> 02:34:10,879 Speaker 4: they were down two scores in that game at that 3088 02:34:10,959 --> 02:34:13,080 Speaker 4: point in time in the second half. Maybe they come 3089 02:34:13,120 --> 02:34:15,520 Speaker 4: back and win, who knows, but it didn't look like that. 3090 02:34:15,640 --> 02:34:19,560 Speaker 4: It certainly wasn't trending in that direction. But you still lost, 3091 02:34:19,760 --> 02:34:23,280 Speaker 4: Like you still lost those two games. And to say 3092 02:34:23,400 --> 02:34:25,760 Speaker 4: you'd have beaten three of the four teams or him 3093 02:34:25,760 --> 02:34:28,119 Speaker 4: not saying that the same people were telling him that 3094 02:34:28,120 --> 02:34:32,879 Speaker 4: that's very possible, it still doesn't matter. I mean, I 3095 02:34:32,920 --> 02:34:37,280 Speaker 4: think the problem here for some of the old guard, right, 3096 02:34:37,360 --> 02:34:39,240 Speaker 4: some of the guys that are used to winning for 3097 02:34:39,280 --> 02:34:43,080 Speaker 4: a long long time in college football, is they really 3098 02:34:43,120 --> 02:34:46,480 Speaker 4: felt like they had this system down. You know, they 3099 02:34:46,480 --> 02:34:49,480 Speaker 4: figured it out. They knew how to recruit, they knew 3100 02:34:49,560 --> 02:34:53,440 Speaker 4: how to use whatever leverage and advantages that they had 3101 02:34:54,080 --> 02:34:56,680 Speaker 4: to get the best players year after year after year. 3102 02:34:57,600 --> 02:34:59,840 Speaker 4: They were always going to get a leg up when 3103 02:34:59,840 --> 02:35:03,840 Speaker 4: it came to positioning, seating, or any of those kinds 3104 02:35:03,879 --> 02:35:05,800 Speaker 4: of things. Like they just had it, like this system 3105 02:35:05,840 --> 02:35:07,360 Speaker 4: made sense to them and they were on the top 3106 02:35:07,360 --> 02:35:10,840 Speaker 4: of the hill. Then comes in IL, then comes a 3107 02:35:10,879 --> 02:35:14,600 Speaker 4: lot of these other changes, Then comes an expanded playoff, 3108 02:35:14,680 --> 02:35:16,840 Speaker 4: then comes all this stuff, and now they have to 3109 02:35:16,959 --> 02:35:20,280 Speaker 4: kind of relearn how to dominate. Like it doesn't have 3110 02:35:20,320 --> 02:35:22,800 Speaker 4: anything to do with your coaching ability here, I'm talking 3111 02:35:22,840 --> 02:35:25,880 Speaker 4: about the other side of the job, the advantages that 3112 02:35:25,959 --> 02:35:30,520 Speaker 4: you had at an Alabama. At some of these universities, 3113 02:35:31,080 --> 02:35:34,480 Speaker 4: the playing field has changed because the rules have changed, 3114 02:35:34,520 --> 02:35:37,880 Speaker 4: and because what you can do for student athletes has 3115 02:35:37,920 --> 02:35:41,840 Speaker 4: also changed, and so you're just not going to get 3116 02:35:41,879 --> 02:35:45,959 Speaker 4: the same result necessarily, and you're gonna have to change 3117 02:35:45,959 --> 02:35:49,439 Speaker 4: how you do things. And there's a stubbornness that exists. 3118 02:35:50,400 --> 02:35:52,480 Speaker 4: I know Nick Saban was frustrated. He to make because 3119 02:35:52,480 --> 02:35:55,440 Speaker 4: he's frustrated they lost those two games. And I'm sure 3120 02:35:55,480 --> 02:35:57,760 Speaker 4: and it's halread he thinks they're better than TCU. I 3121 02:35:57,879 --> 02:36:01,880 Speaker 4: might also, but TCU distinguished themselves. 3122 02:36:01,959 --> 02:36:05,000 Speaker 2: Something has to matter in conference well, and it's not 3123 02:36:05,040 --> 02:36:09,400 Speaker 2: only that like, regular season games have to matter if 3124 02:36:09,440 --> 02:36:12,200 Speaker 2: you're if it's oh, oh, I mean favorite, Yeah, and 3125 02:36:12,240 --> 02:36:14,560 Speaker 2: you were favored against LSU by two touchdowns and you lost. 3126 02:36:14,959 --> 02:36:17,840 Speaker 2: Uh and oh, by the way, TCU was Michigan was 3127 02:36:17,840 --> 02:36:20,680 Speaker 2: favored against TCU and they won. Like it's such a 3128 02:36:20,760 --> 02:36:23,280 Speaker 2: dumb argument. By the way, I would also add, on 3129 02:36:23,320 --> 02:36:26,320 Speaker 2: top of everything else, Alabama, for all, oh, we lost 3130 02:36:26,440 --> 02:36:28,480 Speaker 2: our two games on the final play of the game. 3131 02:36:28,680 --> 02:36:31,240 Speaker 2: I guess what we all remember the Texas game where 3132 02:36:31,280 --> 02:36:33,000 Speaker 2: you basically won on the final play of the game. 3133 02:36:33,240 --> 02:36:36,240 Speaker 2: You and I were on air during the Texas A 3134 02:36:36,320 --> 02:36:38,879 Speaker 2: and M game when they did win on the final 3135 02:36:38,879 --> 02:36:40,400 Speaker 2: play of the game. And oh, by the way, Ole 3136 02:36:40,440 --> 02:36:42,400 Speaker 2: miss they needed a goal line stand to hold on 3137 02:36:42,440 --> 02:36:45,640 Speaker 2: to win that game as well, And so like it, 3138 02:36:45,920 --> 02:36:50,280 Speaker 2: like like I don't think the fundamental point of hey, 3139 02:36:50,600 --> 02:36:52,800 Speaker 2: like we really got to think about what are we 3140 02:36:52,840 --> 02:36:55,320 Speaker 2: gonna do to determine what twelve teams make the college 3141 02:36:55,320 --> 02:36:58,360 Speaker 2: football playoff going forward? Okay, that that's a totally fair argument. 3142 02:36:58,760 --> 02:37:03,960 Speaker 2: But this notion that Alabama somehow got screwed because of 3143 02:37:04,240 --> 02:37:07,000 Speaker 2: because they and they deserve to be in its nonsense. 3144 02:37:07,040 --> 02:37:09,080 Speaker 2: And I remember, I actually think for some reason, Jason, 3145 02:37:09,120 --> 02:37:11,640 Speaker 2: I think you were out that night because I remember 3146 02:37:11,760 --> 02:37:14,280 Speaker 2: arguing with Arnie about it in every article, because you know, 3147 02:37:14,320 --> 02:37:17,280 Speaker 2: he made the argument, well, Alabama's just better, and I said, well, 3148 02:37:17,280 --> 02:37:20,320 Speaker 2: what why are they better? And he literally had no art. Well, 3149 02:37:20,320 --> 02:37:22,400 Speaker 2: I mean they lost two games really close. Well, TCU 3150 02:37:22,520 --> 02:37:24,520 Speaker 2: just lost their only game of the season on the 3151 02:37:24,560 --> 02:37:27,879 Speaker 2: final play of the game. Well you know they this, 3152 02:37:28,320 --> 02:37:31,040 Speaker 2: they that, and it's like, so they have more losses 3153 02:37:31,600 --> 02:37:33,400 Speaker 2: the loss on the final play of the game. Well 3154 02:37:33,400 --> 02:37:35,880 Speaker 2: guess what that just happened to TCU as well. They 3155 02:37:35,920 --> 02:37:39,280 Speaker 2: didn't win the division, they didn't win their conference, you know. 3156 02:37:39,400 --> 02:37:41,800 Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, you mentioned this a second ago. 3157 02:37:42,400 --> 02:37:45,080 Speaker 2: Is if we're arguing about two loss teams, well, Tennessee 3158 02:37:45,120 --> 02:37:48,560 Speaker 2: beat him head to head, and so, like, I think 3159 02:37:48,560 --> 02:37:51,360 Speaker 2: you're right about the system and how and how you 3160 02:37:51,400 --> 02:37:53,879 Speaker 2: know where it is and all that stuff, But this 3161 02:37:54,120 --> 02:37:57,320 Speaker 2: just makes Nick Saban look so whiny and so pathetic. 3162 02:37:57,800 --> 02:38:02,240 Speaker 2: And the thing is, too, is that you can't argue 3163 02:38:02,040 --> 02:38:05,119 Speaker 2: like That's the other thing too, is that you can't 3164 02:38:05,200 --> 02:38:08,440 Speaker 2: argue that last year was anything other than a disappointment 3165 02:38:08,560 --> 02:38:12,040 Speaker 2: for Alabama. And maybe if they had made the playoff, 3166 02:38:12,120 --> 02:38:14,520 Speaker 2: they go on a run, they win the two games needed. 3167 02:38:14,959 --> 02:38:18,240 Speaker 2: But it was a disappointment, So stop trying to change 3168 02:38:18,240 --> 02:38:20,879 Speaker 2: the narrative that it will all we lost on the finals. No, 3169 02:38:20,920 --> 02:38:23,280 Speaker 2: it was a disappointment, yet in it looked good all 3170 02:38:23,360 --> 02:38:26,520 Speaker 2: year long. I just referenced five games that you easily 3171 02:38:26,520 --> 02:38:29,160 Speaker 2: could have lost. Something was not right in a year 3172 02:38:29,200 --> 02:38:30,840 Speaker 2: that we went in saying this has a chance to 3173 02:38:30,840 --> 02:38:33,400 Speaker 2: be an all time great Alabama team with the Heisman 3174 02:38:33,440 --> 02:38:37,199 Speaker 2: Trophy returning Heisman Trophy winner and Bryce Young will Anderson 3175 02:38:37,240 --> 02:38:40,000 Speaker 2: was coming off a historic season. They had, as you said, 3176 02:38:40,080 --> 02:38:43,840 Speaker 2: skill talent all over the field. It was a disappointing 3177 02:38:43,879 --> 02:38:46,800 Speaker 2: season across the board, Nick Saban, you don't have to 3178 02:38:46,879 --> 02:38:49,440 Speaker 2: keep relitigating why you deserved a shot to compete for 3179 02:38:49,440 --> 02:38:50,119 Speaker 2: a championship. 3180 02:38:50,200 --> 02:38:52,080 Speaker 3: You had a shot. It was called the regular season, 3181 02:38:52,120 --> 02:38:53,200 Speaker 3: and you failed that test. 3182 02:38:54,480 --> 02:38:56,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, there's not that much to add to it. 3183 02:38:56,640 --> 02:39:01,520 Speaker 4: It just you lost two ballgames. Was Bryce still hurt 3184 02:39:01,560 --> 02:39:04,400 Speaker 4: in the LSU game. I can't remember for sure. 3185 02:39:04,200 --> 02:39:07,360 Speaker 2: He played, I mean he yeah, I mean I don't 3186 02:39:07,360 --> 02:39:09,600 Speaker 2: know if he was one hundred percent after the injury period. 3187 02:39:09,640 --> 02:39:14,720 Speaker 4: But okay, I just think at some point and everybody 3188 02:39:14,920 --> 02:39:18,279 Speaker 4: you know, coach k and Duke didn't win every year exactly. 3189 02:39:18,360 --> 02:39:21,400 Speaker 4: No one wins every year. It just doesn't work that way. Eventually, 3190 02:39:21,400 --> 02:39:24,200 Speaker 4: George is not gonna win either. Like Nick Saban, can't 3191 02:39:24,240 --> 02:39:26,000 Speaker 4: stand to lose. Why he's so great, it's why he 3192 02:39:26,040 --> 02:39:28,800 Speaker 4: wins so often. But it's also why sometimes he comes 3193 02:39:28,800 --> 02:39:30,920 Speaker 4: across a little small and a little petty, and in 3194 02:39:30,959 --> 02:39:33,720 Speaker 4: this case, yeah, small and petty's about right. 3195 02:39:34,120 --> 02:39:35,480 Speaker 3: We gotta get out of here. I want to thank 3196 02:39:35,480 --> 02:39:35,760 Speaker 3: the crew. 3197 02:39:35,840 --> 02:39:38,880 Speaker 2: Chris Perfett on the board, producer Pat Steve de Seger 3198 02:39:38,959 --> 02:39:41,640 Speaker 2: on the updates for Jason martinam Merators make sure to 3199 02:39:41,840 --> 02:39:45,560 Speaker 2: download the podcast failable shortly after we go off air. 3200 02:39:45,720 --> 02:39:47,720 Speaker 3: Up next, Bertie Frado, Fox Sports. 3201 02:39:47,720 --> 02:39:50,880 Speaker 4: Are you