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Speaker 1: Channel one thirty two. Chase Master is in a rock

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Speaker 1: War veteran, a husband, a father. His wife told us

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Speaker 1: she dropped them off at a quick trip in Cobb County,

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Speaker 1: where he works. His family says he was last seen

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Speaker 1: at a friend's house in Kennesaw three years ago on March.

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Speaker 1: It's like he vanished from that home, not to be

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Speaker 1: seen or heard from again. Living the last three years

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Speaker 1: with the not knowing and without him here is pure hell.

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Speaker 1: Despite some intense searching, a few clues have been found.

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Speaker 1: She tells me that as a mother, in her heart,

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Speaker 1: she feels her son Chase is dead. We have absolutely

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Speaker 1: no answers at all, not even the slightest clue. In

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Speaker 1: three years. We have been on the search now for

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Speaker 1: months and months, joining together with a family in grief,

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Speaker 1: a family looking for their boy, a boy turned man,

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Speaker 1: a boy that turned into a soldier for our country,

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Speaker 1: A father, a husband, the search for Chase Master. Finding

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Speaker 1: Chase Master today answers. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. We learn in the

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Speaker 1: late late afternoon, the worst, I believe, the worst possible

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Speaker 1: scenario unfolds. Joining me right now, Daniel Wilkerson from Channel

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Speaker 1: Daniel is standing outside the Medical Examiner's office. Daniel, what happened?

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you it's been a shock for everyone. Right now,

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Speaker 1: I'm standing outside again the Medical Examiner's office here in

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Speaker 1: Cobb County, and we think we may get the preliminary

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Speaker 1: results right now. They have just told us that they

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Speaker 1: found a body in the backyard of that home in Kennessol.

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Speaker 1: They have not made a positive I d as of yet,

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Speaker 1: but I was speaking with Chase his mother, Stephanie, late

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Speaker 1: last night and she feels that this is Chase. Police

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Speaker 1: had told her something that has made her think that

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Speaker 1: apparently there was something that they found with the body,

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Speaker 1: uh that makes him think that this is in fact Chase.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if it's the cell phone or some other

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Speaker 1: object belonging to him that she could easily identify. But

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Speaker 1: the reality is, Daniel Wilkerson, come on, get real, my man.

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Speaker 1: I mean a body is found underneath basically a porch

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Speaker 1: under cement, and it is at the home where the

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Speaker 1: last sighting of Chase Masner went down. Okay, of course

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Speaker 1: it's him. I don't need a medical examiner to give

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Speaker 1: me the dental records of the d NA, to tell

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Speaker 1: me this is Chase Masner. We have found Chase Masner.

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Speaker 1: And I really wonder, I really wonder, Daniel Wilkerson, if

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Speaker 1: it weren't for you and your reporting and our digging

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Speaker 1: and showing up at the police station and trumping through

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Speaker 1: the neighborhood and reinvestigating the case, if anything would of

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Speaker 1: her have happened, because really what it boiled down to

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Speaker 1: is taking dogs back to the scene. Tell me how

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Speaker 1: the whole thing unfolded, Daniel Wilkerson, Well, about a month ago,

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Speaker 1: Team Chase, it was really Team Chase who organized a

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Speaker 1: K nine search. We took two K nine dogs out. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're right, You're absolutely right. Hold on, I gotta give

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Speaker 1: them the credit because they were on this before you

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Speaker 1: were on it, before I was on it. For anybody

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Speaker 1: else was on it. This team of people that would

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Speaker 1: tell me about them taking a dog back to the scene. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and we invited the Cobb County Cold Case Unit to

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Speaker 1: We first went into the basement, um there in Kennessault

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Speaker 1: of that home, Brad Clement, his old home. Uh. The

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Speaker 1: And then they took them to the backyard. And it

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Speaker 1: the size of a body. Uh, that was just in

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Speaker 1: end with me. Daniel Wilkinson from Channel forty six standing

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Speaker 1: outside the Medical Examiner's office right now, waiting on word

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Speaker 1: because the cause of death on Chase masner Man. I

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Speaker 1: never even thought I was gonna be saying those words.

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Speaker 1: I always held out there was a chance, just a chance,

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Speaker 1: But let let's start at the beginning. Lee Egan from

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Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com has also been on the case.

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Speaker 1: From the very very beginning. Lee unfold the scenario Chase

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Speaker 1: little girls, Amanda, and she was under suspicion too. She

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Speaker 1: Agan Daniel, Daniel, Uh, We'll always have the flop pal Daniel,

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Speaker 1: said the Quick Trip. No, you don't think that. But

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Speaker 1: So that night Brad Clement entered good friend Brad Clement.

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Speaker 1: how obscure is that scenario? It doesn't make sense. And

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Speaker 1: she doesn't love him to this very day. And to

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Speaker 1: find out he's buried beneath a patio, beneath a slab

429
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: of cment. Well, you know what, I couldn't write this

430
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 1: if I were writing it in a crime novel. I

431
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 1: couldn't make it up. But last night, believe it or not,

432
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: Brad Clement called Daniel Wilkerson listened at my house. I

433
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: would have just called the cops, called time one one

434
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:13,199
Speaker 1: amongst the nurse, like I know, And I felt like

435
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: they would have arrested me if you would have need

436
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 1: at the house. So you you're saying you were just

437
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: as shot when you heard that there was a body.

438
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 1: How did you find out about it? Wait, they were

439
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 1: in my house to told me about it. I mean,

440
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 1: I don't even know why they didn't find it the

441
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 1: first time. And when when they turned from the well, Tracy,

442
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: the one with the dogs, Stracy, she told me that

443
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: she thought Cork County had called County police, had searched.

444
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 1: She said, she never searched your backyard. I mean, I God,

445
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,199
Speaker 1: they had already had gone through there and searched it before. Like,

446
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 1: I mean, they had fortus back there, and like I

447
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that they had gone back there before. Well,

448
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: I was there when the dogs came, when they bought

449
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,479
Speaker 1: the dogs out, and I mean both of the dogs

450
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: independently went and set right in that area where they

451
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: found Chase or where they found the body. Okay, I'm

452
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: sure that's what they do. I mean, I just got

453
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 1: out a switch that I got a kind of audience

454
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: and do something that you're trying to help someone out.

455
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: I'm sure they problems. I'm sure they'll offer you a

456
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: public defender. I thought it a tak a public defender.

457
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: I mean, if you couldn't afford an attorney, I can't

458
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: afford it an attorney. Well, what I have to I'm

459
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: just trying to see what what reason would a person

460
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 1: have for setting you up? Though I have no clue.

461
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: Why why would I kill ka? Like, that's a much

462
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 1: better question. I just I just don't care and seeing

463
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 1: how or why? It's just like why what I can't do?

464
00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: And getting set up like this? So Daniel Wilkers said,

465
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 1: let's break down what Brad Clement tells you. They find

466
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: a dead body in his backyard. Okay, what do you

467
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: make of his conversation? Well, you heard him there. He

468
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: says that it is a set up and that he

469
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: was as shocked as anyone. He told me, Like you said,

470
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 1: I said, up by who the construction grew? That's what

471
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: I asked him. I said, I said who? Who would

472
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: set you up? Brad? He said, I don't know? He

473
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: said why would I kill? Yeah? Why would he? That's

474
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 1: my question. I'll tell you what's gonna answer a lot

475
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 1: of questions is what the medical examiner has to say.

476
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: If Chase ends up with a lot of drugs in

477
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: his system. Uh, it's a lot different than if he

478
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: ends up with a blow to his head. Okay, So

479
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: the medical examiner is going to have a lot to

480
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: tell us, right, Daniel, that is right? That is right? Um,

481
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 1: And like I said, we expect that preliminary report. Uh,

482
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: and we'll just see. But Brad, he says that he

483
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,199
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like he should have to lower you up,

484
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: but at this point he says that's what he is

485
00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: going to do. Hold on. Kim Harris from Team Ace

486
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: is with us, in addition to Lee Egan and Daniel

487
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 1: Wilkerson and Alan Duke. Kim, what's your response, I set up.

488
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: It makes no sense. Someone went to the extreme to

489
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: set him up. And mind you, Brad made it very

490
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: clear to us in the very beginning week one that

491
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: he has video cameras, had video cameras around the entire property.

492
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: So for someone to bury a body in his backyard

493
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 1: and then be so nice to come back, however long

494
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:32,360
Speaker 1: later and cover it with semen, it makes no sense. Yeah,

495
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: I mean the set up. Hold on, guys, I think

496
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: joining me right now is another very special guests that

497
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: may shed light on this. It's Sherry and Marietta from

498
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: Team Chase. Sherry, what an unfolding of events. I had

499
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: been hoping against hope for a different answer, Sherry, but

500
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: literally it was right under our noses. We've all been

501
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: trumping through that yard. It's just incredible to me. That

502
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: it's taken three years. Sherry weight In, I'm with him.

503
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: I think it's um for somebody to go that to

504
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: that extreme. Um. She and I both stood in the

505
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: driveway the first night that we went to speak to him,

506
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: and like, there's cameras. There's a camera that just last

507
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: week is still there. As a matter of fact, I

508
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: went by the house myself. There's still a camera right

509
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: outside the garage door, right where he saw the truck

510
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: taking the medical examiner's truck yesterday. And to not be

511
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: able to look back and get that to see who

512
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: did that to him? Come on, now, if you got

513
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: cameras they pulled up, go show us who did this.

514
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: But we all knew he did it, Sherry. The fact

515
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: that there are cameras really limits what he could have done,

516
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: how he could have disposed of the body, if the

517
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: cameras were even working. Let's go out to the lines.

518
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: Joe in Florida. Hi, Joe, what's your question? Then? She

519
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: I have I have a few comments, uh, which which

520
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: leads your questions. Uh. I can't believe the stupidity of

521
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: so many purps to bury a funny right in their

522
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: own backyard. I mean, even will he did manage to

523
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,479
Speaker 1: check us for three years though. Even so, even if

524
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: he got it over on us from even a despicable

525
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,959
Speaker 1: tassy Anthony buried the baby a few blocks away, you know.

526
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: I mean, but I'm looking at it and I can't

527
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: believe the stupidity. And yes it was. And it's a

528
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: heartbreaking story of this veteran, uh no question. And he

529
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: must have been in absolutely terrible shape, and and nobody

530
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: was getting him help, you know. And by the way,

531
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to make light of Joe. He was

532
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: a young guy. He had his whole life in front

533
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: of him, and he was really battling some demons I

534
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: think as a result of coming home from Iraq. It's heartbreaking.

535
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, talk about what he said. The stupidity

536
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: of Brad Clement. Hold on, think about it. Was he stupid?

537
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: Was he crazy? Or crazy like a fox? Because think

538
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: about it, John, everybody knew. Everybody knew Chase had been

539
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: at his house. They knew he had been here, been there.

540
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: He had a construction crew on his roof, for Pete's sake.

541
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: So what's amazing to me? I'm gonna throw this to

542
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: Kim Harris saw on Team Chase what's amazing to me,

543
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: it's not. I'm not regarding it as stupidity. I'm regarding

544
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: it as great cunning on his part that, given the

545
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: confines of the house, that there was a construction crew

546
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: on the top, it's in a neighborhood, somehow he managed

547
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: to get the body out of the house and bury

548
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: it under everybody's noses and cover it with a slab

549
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: of cement. What about that, Kim, I wouldn't say it's crazy,

550
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: more crazy like a fox. Well, you're absolutely right, because

551
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: in the beginning, our biggest fight was we've wanted that

552
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: dumpster search. Um. That's honestly, we we thought answers were

553
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: at the landfill. Never ever did any of us think

554
00:31:55,760 --> 00:32:00,479
Speaker 1: the backyard. So you're right, okay. Also with me is

555
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: a guest from Team Chase who has been on this

556
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: from the very very beginning, Sherry and Marietta. What do

557
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: you make of Joe's theory he was stupid? And my

558
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: counter theory it wasn't stupid at all, you know, like

559
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: you say, put it right in front of her face

560
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: and they'll never see it. And I think he believes

561
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: his own story, So everything that he comes out with,

562
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: it's truth to him in a roundabout way. I think

563
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: he tells him. I think he tells his own truth

564
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: with his life. If that makes sense. Yeah, you know what,

565
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: let's analyze what she just said. Daniel Welkrison for those

566
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: of you just tuning in right now, we have been

567
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: on the trail of finding Chase Master, a very handsome

568
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: young guy and the rocky war Vett who comes home,

569
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: can't find a job, has a beautiful wife, two beautiful

570
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: little girls adore him. You can't fit into civilian life.

571
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,239
Speaker 1: He's it's all messed up from Iraq, and suddenly he

572
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: goes missing. And I gotta tell you what really broke

573
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: my heart. Daniel Wilkerson is talking to his mom. Remember

574
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: the when we went out there and we sat down

575
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: with her and talked to her, and she just she

576
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: she had those pictures. Hold on, Alan Duke, do you

577
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: remember we went out to talk to her and she

578
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: had out on the dining room table all the pictures

579
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: of Chase is a little boy. And I gotta tell you,

580
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: it's really upsetting me because I think of all the

581
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: pictures I have of the twins, and you know how

582
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: how much they mean to me, And she had all

583
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: those pictures out and when she tried to show them

584
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: to us, Alan she broke down crying. Remember I there

585
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: was not a dry eye in that room back in

586
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: March when we sat down and talked with her in

587
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: her home. I mean, that's what I keep thinking about, Daniel. Yeah,

588
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: And I tell you, Um, I was on the phone

589
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: with her until late last night, and UM, I think

590
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: in some ways she is relieved because she along and

591
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: she told you, Nancy, that she just wanted to find

592
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: her son. Um. She got the news from police as

593
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: she was driving to the airport yesterday. Thankfully, her husband

594
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: was in the car with her and police told her

595
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: before they even notified her to pull over and let

596
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: her husband drive. UM. But yeah, it was she cheese

597
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: and pieces as you would imagine. I just can't even

598
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: imagine it. I mean, right now, just I'm just getting

599
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: chills all over my arms. We spent so much time

600
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 1: with her, and I wanted a different outcomes so much, Daniel.

601
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: I didn't want it to be this way so much.

602
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: And Nancy, don't forget that. Right after we spoke with

603
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: Brad that day, we had a meeting and brought together

604
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: Brad and Stephanie Chase's mom, that's right, and she had

605
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: all the questions for him, and you know, when I

606
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: look back on it, you can see the awkwardness he

607
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: had towards I just chalked it up to him being him,

608
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: you know, an awkward person. But remember how awkward he

609
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: was when the mom had questions for him and he

610
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: was answering in monosyllables and she tried to hug him,

611
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: and he just kind of like stood there like a

612
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: wet cat. I mean, it just it was all there, Daniel,

613
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: it was all right in front of us, and he

614
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: was adding details when he spoke with the mom that day.

615
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 1: I had heard the story. I don't know his account

616
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: from him. I don't know about that time, probably six

617
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 1: or seven times. You had heard it two or three

618
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: times from him. And when I was sitting there with

619
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: you and Stephanie and Brad, he was adding details that

620
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: he had never told me, and I thought that was odd. Daniel.

621
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: We talked about that, remember how uh, adding details is

622
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: not always the kiss of death. But when you start

623
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: changing details, and his stories started slightly changing during all that,

624
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: it's really hard for me to accept that the search

625
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: is over, you know, Daniel, Wilkerson when they were digging

626
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: up the body just a couple of hours years ago.

627
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: What was the team telling you? I mean, what do

628
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: they think is going to be the cause of death?

629
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 1: What was it about those roomains that they could I

630
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: immediately identify? This is chase, you know what. I do

631
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: not know what was down there? There was something though

632
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: when I arrived, they had not yet. They had made

633
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: the dig, but they had not yet taken the body up.

634
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: What did you say I saw. I stood on the

635
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: side of the house, so I could just see a

636
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: mound of dirt. But um, of course, the lead investigator,

637
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: he came out and spoke with me, and I asked

638
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: him whether or not the body was intact, and he

639
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: told me that it was, but he made a face

640
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,760
Speaker 1: that indicated to me that there was something else either

641
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: there or I don't know exactly what the face was.

642
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: But I was there as they willed the body around

643
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: and they put it into the medical examiner's vehicle, and

644
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: at that point what I saw was a white tart

645
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: and it looked like any other body inside of bag

646
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: that I had ever seen. Of Course, I couldn't see

647
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 1: the body, but yeah, yeah, you couldn't You could tell

648
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: from his expression there's something about the body. It's not dismembered,

649
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,479
Speaker 1: it's intact, but there's something about it. Um. I wonder

650
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 1: if they already know just from a cursory look out

651
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: to the lines. Brian in Detroit, Hi, Brian, what's your question?

652
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: Not really a question, um, Just after that's over, and

653
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: I just want to thank Joan and Dame for helping out.

654
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: I am one of the ones that's been following the

655
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: case for since it began. I deployed the Chase. I

656
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 1: lived with him for some time. It was really close friend,

657
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 1: and I'm just I'm glad to see the search is over.

658
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: I just hope the truth comes out. And I want

659
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 1: to thank you for that he did and uh knocking

660
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: on his door and going after him and everything. It

661
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: was awesome to see somebody finally, you know, caring enough

662
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: to do and do something about it. So thank you

663
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: for that, Brian. That really means a lot to me.

664
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: That really means a lot to me. At all the

665
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: cases I ever prosecuted, I remember, the only thing that

666
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 1: really matters in the end is when family and friends

667
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: care about what you did, you said you you know, Chase,

668
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: tell me about him he he loved life. He was Um,

669
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: I knew the military side of him, that the family oriented,

670
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: how he loved his family. Um. When there was some

671
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: moving around and I had gone through divorce and uh,

672
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: before I found a place, Chase let me stay with him,

673
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 1: and I stayed with him for a couple of months,

674
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: and Uh, him and Amanda, they were always happy. They

675
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: you know, they loved each other. They had um that

676
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 1: he loved his kids. He was just so happy all

677
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 1: the time. He's always smiling, hilarious, one of the funniest

678
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 1: guys I've ever met. Um. He was just full of life.

679
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: Just anybody would have enjoyed to be around him. He

680
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: was one of the greatest none of my life. I'm

681
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: just drinking in and just taking in what you said

682
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: and thinking about what his life could have been. He

683
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: was trying really hard to work things out with his wife,

684
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: and she was trying to They did not want a divorce.

685
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: They wanted to stay together. They had two little children

686
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:29,240
Speaker 1: to raise. He had his whole life in front of him.

687
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: That will never happen. These children will grow up with

688
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: a dad. The only thing really right now, like you said, Ryan,

689
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: is we now know what happened we know what happened,

690
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: and I don't know what kind of peace is going

691
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: to bring the mom. Yeah, I just I hope that

692
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: I hope that the lives from from bread and stopped,

693
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: and I hope he just tells the truth wholeheartedly why happen?

694
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: So there's some full closure to Kim Harris on Team

695
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: Chase and listening to what Brian is saying, and it's

696
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: it's really bringing home about a life cut short, as

697
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: if we didn't already know that, But the way he

698
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: says it is appointed to me, Kim. At the very beginning,

699
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: Daniel Wilkerson and I both saw big holes, big problems

700
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: with Brad Clement's story. When did you grow to suspect

701
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: what he was saying? Immediately? Immediately, um that within a week,

702
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: we actually went out. Sherry done Um was with me

703
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: and several other people. We went out to Brad's house

704
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: and we went for answers. Some of Chase his friends

705
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: went with us. Um it was a group of us

706
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: and we went for answers, and his story was conflicting. Immediately.

707
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 1: I actually spoke to him on the phone or earlier

708
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: that day and he told me a totally different story

709
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: than he told the detective that day and then turned

710
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: around and told us a whole another story when we

711
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 1: got there. So immediately his story was always shaky. Yeah,

712
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: you know, Daniel Wilkerson, you and I both had big

713
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: problems with his story. But when we met with him,

714
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,240
Speaker 1: his demeanor was like, you know, a laid back dude,

715
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: kind of like the guy that never gets out of

716
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: that living in your messy bedroom college phase. That kind

717
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: of got stuck there, and he seemed willing to talk

718
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: to us, but then every time we wanted to go

719
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: step further ahead, just disappear. Basically I had to go

720
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: grab him by the collar and get him in the car.

721
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: But and then even after that, even after the dogs

722
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: hit on human remains, which was a month ago. UM.

723
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: I spoke with Brett after that and he said that

724
00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: he um he was against but his concern, he says,

725
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: was for the people, the new owners that lived there.

726
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: He said, why are you guys taking these people through this?

727
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 1: And I thought it was odd. I said, well, Brad,

728
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,959
Speaker 1: you know, this maybe an opportunity for you to clear

729
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: your name. But he was concerned. He said about the

730
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 1: new owners, what about him? He thought that we were

731
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: just thinking you don't think they want to get the

732
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: dead body out of their backyard. He was, he says,

733
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: he was concerned about them, and I thought that was

734
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: a little odd. Right after that, he took off with

735
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: his family, he says, to a beat to to a

736
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: vacation on the beach, and he he was there for

737
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,280
Speaker 1: two and a half weeks, and that's when he brought

738
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: contact with me. In the past, he had always returned

739
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: calls from me within are day or two, but then

740
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: he went completely silent until yesterday. A lot is going

741
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: to depend on what we learned from the medical examiner.

742
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: All of us, Daniel Wilkerson, Sherry Kim, Allen Lee, we're

743
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: all standing by to hear those results. I want to

744
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: take one last Leston to Chase his mom, and if

745
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: you agree with me, you will know we have to

746
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 1: find justice for Chase Mansoner. The first several weeks, they

747
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: were not actively investigating because, in their words, it's not

748
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: a crime to be missing. If he wanted to walk away,

749
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: it's not a crime. Okay, let's talk about that. Had

750
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:36,240
Speaker 1: he ever in his life gone this long without texting?

751
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: You were calling you ever? Never? And you know what

752
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: I say. If you don't know a horse. Look at

753
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,720
Speaker 1: his track record. So what somebody has done in the past,

754
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: they're likely to do again. If he had gone his

755
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: whole lot, texting you and calling you every what, day,

756
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: other day, what, all the time, then why would he

757
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: quit that day? It's say to h double L and

758
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: my mother say, I don't believe that. I don't either.

759
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: I just I just want to know the truth. I

760
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:10,280
Speaker 1: want to know what happened to Chase. Do you believe

761
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: Chise is still alive? I do not. Now are you

762
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 1: saying that with your heart and your head? Or yes?

763
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: I don't believe he's alive. Can you think of a

764
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: reason that anyone would have wanted him to have? Not

765
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 1: a single reason. I've lived the last three years not knowing.

766
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 1: Every single day it's just Hill. We're on the case.

767
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: Stay with us, Nancy Grace Crime Stories, signing off, goodbye

768
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 1: friend M