WEBVTT - Ep. 093: Big Giant Bucks 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.320 This is me eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:18.319 fog bitten and in my case, underwear lessening podcast. You 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:27.800 can't predict anything. Um, dude, I still like I was 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:31.000 just telling Joanni about this, like Colorado is a weird 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:37.479 like from a hunting perspective, is a weird state. How 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:41.159 so I'll tell you why, Okay, Welle, It's just a 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:47.000 weird place, right because here, well, I'll get to the 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:49.080 running of some old hippies out in the woods later. 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:51.480 So it's like that kind of stuff. But the main, 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:55.960 the main, and I'll talk about that part of it. Um. 0:00:56.000 --> 0:00:57.440 The main thing that's weird to me is that you 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:06.800 could have such like like Hodgepodgy landownership issues where where 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:09.679 it's just like such a weird mixture of little teeny 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:12.440 bits of public and teeny bits of private and it's 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:17.880 real messy and public inside private it's messy, And that 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:26.040 there are so many people hunting, so many people just 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:30.319 out recreating out in the woods. But then which is 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:32.200 not normal. That's not weird at all, Like that's just 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:36.800 like normal, right, that's you find that anywhere like confused 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:40.360 landownership and shiploads of people is like readily available in 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:43.360 the United States of America. But you could have that 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:48.480 but also just have huge, giant freaking bucks running around everywhere. Yeah, 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:52.400 I mean, like how because it's just good habitat everywhere 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:59.040 you look, I mean from you know, the entire tooth 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:04.040 western tooth to the state is just mule deer habitat. Yeah. 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:06.240 And I was gonna say too. You know, every buddy 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:09.120 Jay has been checking out that new ranch down in 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:13.280 like south central, and it's a big ranch, and he 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:16.119 feels like there might be like it's like at Acre Ranch, 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:18.520 and he feels like there might be fifty mule deer 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:23.120 on the whole place. Poor habitat. Not quite the whole state, 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:29.480 but like central western, northwestern, northern, you know a lot 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:31.960 of mule deer habitat. And you keep saying as we 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:34.080 drive around, you're just like, I can't believe. In every 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:37.080 direction you look, you feel like there's just a great 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:39.520 patch of woods that would hide mule deer. When you 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:42.760 get up on a high spot, you look anywhere, just 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:45.359 it's just like all mule It's like all mule deer 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:51.440 country full of dudes looking for deer's but they can't. 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:54.480 They don't get them all, there's still giants. The fact 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:57.840 that I spent fifteen years trying to find a big 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:00.839 buck of Montana, maybe not fifty tone of years trying 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:03.760 to find like a just like a buck where you 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:05.960 look and go like holy ship, that's a big meal, 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:09.480 or you don't gotta think about it. It's hard in Montana. 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:14.200 Then you get like somehow like in Idaho in Colorado 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:19.400 and if you see him every day. But we talked 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:22.799 about this, like Montana runs that late season and they're 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:27.639 they're easy to kill on novemb you know, yeah, November 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:30.520 whatever it might be. So yeah, I would say when 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:33.679 it comes to growing big, huge giant box, if that's 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:37.480 your goal, um, and I don't know that, and I'm 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:39.280 not saying it should be because I like like the 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:42.720 Montana I like the Montana system. You get a general tag, 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:44.640 so you just go down to the gas station and 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:47.720 buy your hunt license if you live there or online 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:51.400 if you don't, and you got what five six weeks 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:55.600 to hunt, including plus five or six weeks to archery 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:58.320 if you if you want it. You know, it's like 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:04.120 have ad a son go including the rut. Yeah. So, 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:07.400 and I'm sure there's like genetic factors and habitat factors 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:09.160 and severe winners and all that kind of stuff. It's 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:12.080 playing into it too. But yeah, you can't be letting 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:15.080 every time Dick and Harry go one and around out 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:18.200 in the woods during the mulet your rut and think 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:21.039 that you're gonna have bucks growing to be old, big, 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:24.159 old huge bucks. And I don't really care because you 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:28.839 know and that they they manage for opportunity. They manage 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:32.760 for opportunity. Colorado like isn't short on opportunity, but they 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:36.080 get you get a week to hunt, not six weeks. 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:40.040 You get a week, and you gotta pick your season 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:48.119 and whatever they're doing, it's just, man, I'm just glad 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:50.359 you Most of these units around here only have a 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:53.440 couple of hundred of these buck tags. Some units way less. 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:57.160 That's I think they should make a rule that you 0:04:57.200 --> 0:04:59.480 need to wear a certain kind of hat, a certain 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:01.719 kind of range hat, or a certain kind of flag 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:04.760 on your hat if you're hunting the elk, and a 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:07.360 certain kind of flag on your hat if you're hunting milder. 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:10.960 Because if I'm hunting milder, in my head, everybody's hunting mulder. 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:13.920 So anytime I see orange, which there is plenty to 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:17.839 look at, like orange Blaze, orange off the you know, 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:20.160 on the other side of the valley, you're canyon from you. 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:22.840 I look and I'm like, ask some of a guy. 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:25.760 He's hunting milder, but I'm like, he's probably hunting elk. 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:28.039 And if you had a little flag system, then you 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:31.720 know who you were hated and who you didn't really hey, 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:33.800 who you could go talk to and say, hey, I 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:35.880 know I noticed your all kin. You see any big 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:38.599 box around? Yeah? And I could be like, just so happens. 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:41.200 I was looking at a couple of bulls that once 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:43.400 I started doing a little map reading, I realized those 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:45.720 bulls around public Land. And I'll tell you about it 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:47.520 if you're telling me about the box you've seen. But 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:49.120 if a guy's on Muler, I'm not gonna go talk 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:51.160 to him because I'm gonna lie to him. He's gonna 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:52.680 lie to me, and no one's gonna get anything out 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:56.440 of that. He like, see any box? Oh, you know 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:01.960 his unit sucks not a little and two miles off. Yeah, 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:06.760 So I went back toward the truck. So all right, 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:08.800 we gotta back up now. If we gotta get into 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:12.400 Yanni's how he's dying and we got to get into that. 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:15.440 You don't want to cover that, no weekend. I'm comfortable 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:20.320 covering it. Yeah, you should introduce your guests. Yeah, so 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:27.440 Yanni Janni the lavin eagle who tells us and Brodie 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:33.120 Henderson say something for yourself. Brodie, I love Big Bucks 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:38.440 and you cannot lie. Um, Brodie Henderson lives who lives 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:43.800 Um not terribly too far from here, that's big. Yeah, 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:46.520 it's not terribly too far from here. We're nowhere near 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:49.000 the I seventy quarter this year, you know. And Brody 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:54.800 lives in the land of big Giant Bucks. But we're 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:58.200 not even near there. Just to make sure you understand 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:00.039 that we're not at Brody. We were sitting in a 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:02.520 log cabin that is not owned by Brady, And if 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:04.719 Brady lived by here, we'd be sitting in his house. 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:07.640 So think about that before you try to get all 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:11.600 sneaky figuring out what's going on. But come down here. 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:15.080 I have a mulder tag. We're down here taking me 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:17.720 and Yan you're down here taking care of various pieces 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:24.840 of business. And um, I got a few days. We 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:31.360 had how many days to hunt? Three? Four, four? Supposed 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:35.320 before you miss one, miss one something that I'm not 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:37.560 even gonna If you don't want to talk about how 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:39.200 that happened, he can go ahead, But I'm not even 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:42.600 gonna get into that paperwork problem. Forgot some paperwork at home, 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:45.920 important pieces of paperwork having to do with whether or 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:48.160 not you're allowed to go hunt or not. Um So 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:54.920 lost a little time there and then go out and 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:57.320 we get into our zone and go on in the 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:02.200 evening hunt. And we have a friend who has been 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:07.200 hunting this area for a long time. And this friend's 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:09.480 got a spot he hunts. He hunts this he hunts 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:13.080 a ranch, primarily in some in some public land that 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:16.360 comes up against his ranch. But he's hunting there, and 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:18.920 we're not wanting to crowd him, and he knows the 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:21.040 area pretty well, and so he throws us a couple 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:25.920 of tips about what we ought to be doing. And 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:28.640 as a nice gesture too, he actually hikes back into 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:31.240 a little glass and tip he likes and does a 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:34.439 pre limb check before we show up. And he goes 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:38.200 up there and and uh finds I think he found 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:42.439 fifteen doughs from this glass and tip. This guy's strategy 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:46.439 and he's he's a he's a very successful big giant 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:51.320 buck hunter. This guy's strategy is he Well, Brodie keep 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:54.120 explained the first, second, third, fourth and all that. Yeah, 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:59.520 So Colorado has four different rifles seasons. First rifles season 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:04.800 usually we runs somewhere like October ten through that's elk only, 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:09.800 then five days long and five days. Then there's second season, 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:14.920 which starts a week after the end of first rifle days. 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:17.520 No that that one's only a couple of days. It 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:19.360 ends on a Wednesday, and the next one picks up 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:22.080 on saturd. That one runs nine days. Then there's a 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:25.800 weak gap between second and third, and and third usually 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:29.680 runs somewhere around the first nine days of November ish 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:33.120 somewhere somewhere right in there. And then fourth season picks 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:35.680 up a couple of days after third rifle ends, and 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:39.720 that's a five day season. But there's all like to 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:42.400 help people understand that because there might be thinking, so 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:45.200 you can only hunt one week. Talk about all the 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:49.360 tags you have and what they're all good for. Um, 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:51.800 I had a third season buck tag, so I just 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:55.760 I killed the buck a few days ago. Yep, pretty 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:58.400 good one. And then I have a fourth season bull 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:02.600 Tag which starts next week. And then I have a 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:05.760 late season cow tag. What's that runs for a month 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:09.040 like December fifteenth of January. And then you're walking around 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:10.840 the black bear tag. That's good for like a whole 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:15.200 long time, right that they have this like they just 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:17.120 changed this a couple of years ago. You can buy 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:21.360 and over the counter with caps, which means there's X 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:25.439 number of over the counter bare tags available. And if 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:27.160 you have to say you have a buck tag for 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:30.880 third rifle season and you buy one of those over 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:33.280 the counter bear tags, that bear tag is actually good 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:36.120 for all four rifle seasons. In the unit, you have 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:40.880 a deer or elk tag four huh. And then there's 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:44.520 a separate like rifle bear season basically the whole month 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:48.400 of September, which is a different tag. And then do 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:51.320 you did you do your mountain lion certification so you're 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:54.400 a certified Monday? I did. I'm gonna pack a mountain 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:58.720 lion tag around during that that late season cow tag hunt. 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:03.640 Who knows, maybe I'll see one. So the third third season, 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:09.480 we're just focusing on a mule deer here, well elk 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:14.400 elker rutten during first and second first they're like the 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:17.000 tail end of the rut would be during first rifle 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:23.360 um mule mule deer, third rifle mule deer is like 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:27.600 what I would call like pre rut because like real 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:30.720 close to the actual rut, and fourth which there aren't 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:34.280 that many Like the fourth season muled your tags are 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:38.600 hard to come by because it's route and they don't 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:41.400 issue very many. They're very tight with those. It might 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:46.240 be like instead of being might be like yeah, yeah, 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:48.240 that's on a set. My slights for it say about 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:50.120 enough points to get the fourth season. That would be 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:58.040 like haunting in Montana for big bucks on November. Um 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:01.720 sony help this guy that that gives us some intel, 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:05.559 some hunting info. He is, uh, he really likes to 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:08.800 hunt the third season and the third season depending on 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:11.800 whether it can be like real rudding. His hunting strat 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:16.000 his the way he finds Mulder is he hunts. He says, 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:18.599 I hunt does now by that he doesn't mean that 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:20.520 he's shooting at dos. By that he means that he 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:24.559 is locates every little group of doughs he can find, 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:28.640 and sometimes big groups are does, sometimes big groups are 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:33.160 dose and wakes up every morning and goes around and 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:38.280 checks all those groups of dos, because the box are 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:40.480 like the dolls are gonna be there, and their little 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:45.559 configurations kind of like consistency, consistently, but the box are 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:49.679 like the hand. The deck of cards gets shuffled every night. 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:54.200 So he checks those doughs, waiting to see who's gonna 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:57.480 show up, knowing that these big groups of dos if 0:12:57.520 --> 0:12:59.120 they got a little buck with him, he knows that 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:02.120 a big box is of find those doughs. So he 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:06.880 finds bucks by watching does. He tells us about a 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:09.880 little glass and tit that has some doughs by it, 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:15.480 some on public, some on private. Our first night, we're 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:20.440 going there and right away find the five five dos 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:24.440 on private, No, they're on five dos on public. They're 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:26.600 only like a hundred and fifty yards from us. But 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:30.440 the stuff around us is like real thick, giant sage, 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:33.760 so it's you could have three deer walking around there. 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:35.760 You're not gonna see unless they have a Stepane's little 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:39.000 teeny openings. But we got some where we know there's 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:42.679 some you mean to say, giant painting point and juniper right, No, 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:45.640 that stage in the bottom, real tall old stage down 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:50.160 autom that that stage six ft high. So but here 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:53.559 and there's little little grass patches in the stage and 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:55.680 you have to catch a deer out in one of those, 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:58.000 and you just realize, Man, there's a million places you 0:13:58.000 --> 0:13:59.840 can put more deer, and I wouldn't know they were there. 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:03.600 So when I say there's five, you don't know really 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:05.480 what's going on. It's just five that happened to be 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:08.320 mingling around in a grass patch in the middle of 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:12.439 all this stage, which hides deer real good. But what 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:17.120 we're seeing is lots of deer, lots of elk on 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:20.200 the private and where you're at. It's like if you 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:23.680 imagine if you could just shoot, like imagining to shoot 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:26.360 a laser at any land feature around you, I would 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:30.480 say that of those laser shots are gonna hit private 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:34.400 land if you had a laser pointer right, And you're 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:36.800 just like, I don't know, there there's a fifty percent 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:41.520 chance that there is gonna be private in at chance 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:46.400 that there's gonna be public. You agree, And there's a 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:48.440 lot of mapping technology out there where you can kind 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:52.880 of look at overlays to see what's what, and you 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:57.960 realize that from the spot you're looking at, we're looking 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:03.520 at deer, we're glassing up a bunch of deer and 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:09.400 some elk that are on private land, and we're glassing 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:11.920 up deer that are on public But you would not 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:17.200 be able to walk from your public patch to that 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:21.160 public patch because between there is a big barrier of 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:23.920 private land. Yeah, you couldn't do it in a straight line. 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:26.720 You'd have to make a j and you're starting at 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:29.800 the point of the j and go backwards. First swing 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:32.720 around some private and then you couldn't do it in that. 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:35.720 You couldn't do it in that hunt. Probably not like 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:39.000 in the evening hunt. Yeah, but you couldn't because no 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:41.760 evening hunt definitely not the hunt. If all sudden it 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:43.960 gets started, starts to feel kind of like evening, like 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:47.440 which I always know the minute it happens, just just 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:51.160 like internally it just became evening, I just know. And 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:55.920 all of a sudden there's deer um. You could feasibly 0:15:56.200 --> 0:16:01.040 be line it to him, but you have to go around, 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:04.440 get down the road, go out to a highway and 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:09.320 hike in two miles to get the right in front 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:12.560 of you. But if you saw a monster, you could 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:15.160 come up with some kind of plan to get there later. Well, 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:19.720 that was our plan that we would glass up a 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:23.920 biggin and then the next day go in there and 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:28.840 for the sea cout. But what happened was we glassed 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:35.840 up a biggin that was just absolutely like not on 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:39.360 public land. It wasn't likely to become on public land. 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:46.400 He's probably a mile away, right, Yeah, not for a while. 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:49.560 What do you mean not for a while? Him coming 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:52.360 onto public land, Well, he's probably gonna take some sort 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:54.680 of change in the weather. Sure. I mean, what I'm 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:56.600 saying is I wasn't gonna go and like make that 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:59.960 my morning plan. Whether short Yeah, you gotta short him 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:04.840 out of time because I would need to. I'm trying 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:07.200 to explain, like this tip that we're on, and how 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:11.240 this tip that we're on works, is that the chances 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:17.160 of you actually taking a poke from the tip are slim. Yeah, 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:21.840 there was a small piece of public that I mean, 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:24.800 we're almost perched on the edge of the public looking 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:28.680 at a lot of private. Oh and at dusk, that's right. 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:32.240 And at dusk we glass up another bagin who was 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:37.359 very easily walk table. But we all by looking at 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:40.159 my GPS, we had four hundred and sixty yards of 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:43.840 public in front of us, and that buck was at 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:49.440 sixty and not not looking in our direction but going 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:53.000 watching dolls the other drect so and that buck would 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:56.120 have been nearly impossible to go after. There's no way 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:57.679 you could have gotten up on a little perch to 0:17:57.720 --> 0:17:59.640 try to shoot down in there at om. He would 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:04.280 have been very a difficult to chase after. Am I 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:06.560 set in the stage here you are. I think you 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:10.440 described a situation well. And yeah, if you sat there 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:13.280 for seven days on that little and you were like, 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:15.200 I'm just gonna shoot, I just want to meat buck. 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:17.760 I'm here for a meat buck. I'm gonna stand this tip, 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:20.320 you would probably every couple of days gonna meat buck. Yeah, 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:23.680 because those does were right there hanging out, it would 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:26.200 be like it would have happened. It was frustrating with 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:28.480 me for me when I showed up, because we went 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:30.480 back into that spot. I went in with you guys 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:35.240 the next morning was we're looking at shiploads of deer, 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:39.000 but most of them. You're like, well, I can't hunt 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:44.560 those deer, drisking crazy and looking at deer's fun But 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:47.159 and then you you glass up another big and that 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:52.840 was indisputably on private, fixing the leave private. But we're 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:57.960 looking at um the public land dear that you would 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:01.680 have to go after another day, we were looking at 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:06.520 over a dozen oh yeah with bucks with meat bucks. 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:13.119 But if here too, my freezers jam packed. I'm like, 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:16.320 you know, I like the hunt meat bucks, but I 0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:19.360 was not, and I was these couple these last few days, 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:22.600 I have not been meat buck hunting. I'm okay going 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:24.920 home with that one. Yeah, I'm looking at I'm looking 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:27.359 for that one in a hundred, you know, like buck 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:29.280 where you're like, oh my gosh, look at that buck, 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:32.040 Like that's the buck that you gotta. You need to 0:19:32.040 --> 0:19:36.959 be a like have a special set of circumstances allow you. 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:40.120 You know, that's like the buck you you strive to 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:45.240 learn how to find. You know. The next morning we 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:48.480 go back to the same tip and the same thing happens. Oh. 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:51.320 Another thing happened that was interesting is at one point 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:55.040 I see a dear, like if you're glass and mule 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:59.240 deer and observing him, you can tell a lot about 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:02.959 what is around those dear by reading their body language. 0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:06.360 And and a lot of times you'll find bucks by 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:10.800 watching does because those are nervous around bucks during the rut, 0:20:11.320 --> 0:20:13.240 So a lot of times you'll see all the doughs, 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:17.840 like just being very fixed staring into some little hellhole 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:20.240 brush patch or something, and they don't like it, and 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:24.159 they're always looking in there. And after a while you 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:26.439 might start staring in out of the spot and scope 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:28.880 and find what it is they're annoyed by, and it's 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:30.480 a box. You find a lot of box like that. 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:33.480 Because those will be up feeding around, they're kind of 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:37.359 more a little more freewheeling about how they expose themselves 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:39.879 and how much time they spend out feeding. And the 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:43.840 bucks they don't get to be big giant bucks by 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:47.680 getting shot, So there's a certain amount of like stealthiness 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:49.920 that goes into being a big giant buck. And I 0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:52.919 don't think that it's I think it's a little bit learned, 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:56.280 and I think it's a little bit like if they 0:20:56.320 --> 0:21:00.199 were not that way, they'd be dead. So I think 0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:05.040 there's some that just are skittish, Like when you when 0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:09.000 you scare melding, the meal is running away eight out 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:12.160 of ten meal there are gonna stop if they're gonna 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:14.800 crest the ridge and be gone. They stop and look back. 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:17.760 They're kind of like, do I really need to run 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:20.240 this far? Like is this thing really seriously threatened to me. 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:24.040 Bucks that do that don't live to be big jaant bucks. 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:27.320 Bucks that like decide I'm just gonna run over the ridge, 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:30.280 just never stopped running and run way away from here 0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:34.040 before I stop or sneak just creep out of there. Yeah, 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:39.000 or the real the ones that are really born with 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:44.560 a gift, don't run with the dolls. The dolls book 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:46.960 and they make a big show out of how they're booking, 0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:49.080 and then they get on the ridge shout and stop 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:51.760 and look back. But that buck has taken some completely 0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:56.679 different route through a bunch of like brush without really 0:21:56.800 --> 0:21:59.879 running but kind of like trotting along, and he's just like, 0:22:00.040 --> 0:22:03.879 see you, ladies, I'll catch you after dark. Those bucks 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:09.840 become big giant box What were the ones that lived 0:22:09.840 --> 0:22:13.119 behind us private fence posts for most of their lives. 0:22:13.680 --> 0:22:15.679 There's different Yeah, there's different ways. You could probably be 0:22:15.720 --> 0:22:18.880 a dumb buck who's always out, a dumb buck who 0:22:18.920 --> 0:22:21.399 likes to always be on a l f alfa field eating, 0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:23.479 but if there's no hunting, he's gonna Yeah, he might 0:22:23.520 --> 0:22:28.639 be just fine. Um Oh, well, I was getting at is. 0:22:28.640 --> 0:22:30.679 I'm watching this dough and I can't figure out why 0:22:30.760 --> 0:22:34.520 she is looking at So if you see a dough 0:22:34.760 --> 0:22:38.040 staring at something, it's like you know there's something there 0:22:38.080 --> 0:22:40.840 that it doesn't like, or it's staring at a buck 0:22:40.920 --> 0:22:43.040 and she's just But I see this dough with the 0:22:43.160 --> 0:22:46.760 look of a dough that's like annoyed and concerned about 0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:51.960 something's presence near her. But she's walking forward like she's 0:22:52.000 --> 0:22:57.520 walking at her object of interest. And that caught my attention. 0:22:57.520 --> 0:22:59.040 So I'm staring at the spot and scope and I 0:22:59.040 --> 0:23:03.240 realized that she's seeing a bobcat. I'm not chasing it, 0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:08.399 but like like making sure it, yeah, where it is. 0:23:08.680 --> 0:23:10.879 I'm keeping tabs on you just kind of like a 0:23:10.960 --> 0:23:13.679 like a like an old lady like yelling at some 0:23:13.760 --> 0:23:16.680 neighborhood kid, you know, like following him along sort of 0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:22.480 like like escorting him out of the area. This bobcat. Oh, 0:23:22.520 --> 0:23:25.280 so that happened, big bobcat. I got a question. I 0:23:25.280 --> 0:23:29.159 couldn't I couldn't judge him. I can't judge way off bobcats. 0:23:29.800 --> 0:23:32.360 Did you have you ever seen mule deer stomped their 0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:35.720 feet like white tails? Do? Yes? Yeah? Did she do 0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:40.800 that at all? Man? Have I I feel like I have? 0:23:40.960 --> 0:23:43.400 I feel like they don't but maybe maybe they do. 0:23:43.760 --> 0:23:47.639 Blow a long time to figure. But you know how 0:23:47.720 --> 0:23:52.120 white tails don't stand there and stomp their feet. Man, 0:23:52.160 --> 0:23:54.200 I want to say that I've seen them stomp their feet, 0:23:54.200 --> 0:23:55.560 but the more I think about I can't think of 0:23:55.560 --> 0:24:00.760 an exact can you, nny? I can't think of an 0:24:00.760 --> 0:24:05.200 exact man. Dudes are gonna be writing in like, dudes 0:24:05.280 --> 0:24:07.840 gonna be writing like a bad out of hell about this. Man. 0:24:09.600 --> 0:24:12.560