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Speaker 1: This is me eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely

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Speaker 1: fog bitten and in my case, underwear lessening podcast. You

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Speaker 1: can't predict anything. Um, dude, I still like I was

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Speaker 1: just telling Joanni about this, like Colorado is a weird

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Speaker 1: so I'll tell you why, Okay, Welle, It's just a

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Speaker 1: So it's like that kind of stuff. But the main,

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Speaker 1: The main thing that's weird to me is that you

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Speaker 1: it's just like such a weird mixture of little teeny

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Speaker 1: not normal. That's not weird at all, Like that's just

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Speaker 1: landownership and shiploads of people is like readily available in

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Speaker 1: the United States of America. But you could have that

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Speaker 1: And I was gonna say too. You know, every buddy

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Speaker 1: They don't get them all, there's still giants. The fact

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Speaker 1: it comes to growing big, huge giant box, if that's

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Speaker 1: Montana I like the Montana system. You get a general tag,

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Speaker 1: if you don't, and you got what five six weeks

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Speaker 1: Yanni Janni the lavin eagle who tells us and Brodie

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Speaker 1: Henderson say something for yourself. Brodie, I love Big Bucks

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Speaker 1: So think about that before you try to get all

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Speaker 1: explained the first, second, third, fourth and all that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So Colorado has four different rifles seasons. First rifles season

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Speaker 1: some hunting info. He is, uh, he really likes to

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Speaker 1: come up with some kind of plan to get there later. Well,

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Speaker 1: it was not Yeah, it's not fun walking to get

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00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:58,120
Speaker 1: up into a big area of open public and start

428
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 1: traps through theirfc you don't and falling you in it.

429
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 1: A dophon unit in there, hike up gets talking about

430
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 1: arrowheads and whatnot. Get up to the top and find

431
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: a sweet looking area that you could only hunt with

432
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,959
Speaker 1: a hot air balloon or still hunting techniques, or if

433
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 1: you had good wet ground you can still hunt it

434
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 1: because you're always seeing these little like one hundred yard

435
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,919
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yard open aspen patches, but you never

436
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: are getting like the commanding view that I like. Is

437
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: that where you saw the moose. Yeah, he saw moose

438
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: like like him to shake hand. I couldn't see it.

439
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 1: It was like one of those situations where I'm looking

440
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 1: at it, but I wasn't like comprehending it. I remember,

441
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: um uh, I can how the Africa or Tom McIntyre. No, yeah,

442
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: McIntyre already says his name was my mess his name up.

443
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 1: He saw about hunting being in Africa one time and

444
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: the guys with the guy he's with all of a

445
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: sudden stopping him and he's like, you know, it's the elephant.

446
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: He's like, I look and look, I can't see an elephant,

447
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: like nowhere. I look, honestly, trees, tree trunks. He realized

448
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: that's like one of the tree trunks as he's peering

449
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: under the brush, like one of the tree trunks is

450
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: like a leg of an elephant. Some of the moose

451
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: was just standing steep guys right there, right there, And

452
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: I don't know what I was looking for, but I

453
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: was saying, oh, yeah, I mean the moose standing there

454
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 1: like little ship moose. He was obscured, but Um, I

455
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: saw some rabbit sign went through some real nice open

456
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: aspen grovy kind of stuff, entered into just a hellhole

457
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: where it was a lot more like timber. Noisily bushedwag

458
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: through this timber. Yeah, that's some nasty stuff up there.

459
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: I didn't like to add at all. Squirted a bunch

460
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 1: of meals you're out ahead of us. I't like that

461
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: at all. And then bust out into and I could

462
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 1: see it on my map, bust out into the like

463
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: most picturesque gigantic sage flat meadow, like high elevation stage flat. Yeah,

464
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: it was like it wasn't feet something like that. And

465
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: the first thing I say is like like talking about

466
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: like a glass is half empty. We're like, holy shit,

467
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: this is like amazing up here. And I'm like, yeah,

468
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: but everybody know about this spot. This has got to

469
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: be like the spot everybody walks to look at it.

470
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: It's amazing. And even though we just kick some deer out,

471
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: I'm like all down on it because it looks too good.

472
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: If it looks too good, there must be a problem

473
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: with it. But I think at that point we were

474
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: probably getting onto in three miles from the rigs from

475
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: the road, from a trail, and that's like straight line miles.

476
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: There was a lot up and down and we had

477
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: climbed over a thousand feet. It's aways feeling pretty good

478
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, you knew I was being pessimistic about it.

479
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: About the meadow. We're gonna call it the meadow. It's

480
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: like an elk and deer playground almost up there. Like

481
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: it looks perfect. Yeah, it just has attleit of foreshadow.

482
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: I later had occasion to sleep on that meadow, and

483
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: I was laying in a bed instead of I had

484
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: a sleeping pad. I didn't need it because I was

485
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: laying in a bed of elk dropping. So we just

486
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: crossed this thing and gets where we're overlooking, and you

487
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: cross the stage flat and you went overlooking this big

488
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: canyon that Broidery had told but he had you go

489
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: off there hunting rabbits? Are you hunting deer? When I've

490
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: been up there deer hunting before and grouse hunting rabbits

491
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: down down low down by where the rig was any

492
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: track of lion and a bar threw there. Yeah, So

493
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: Brody told us about this this bitch and uh canyon

494
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: full of aspens. That's good glass. And so we get

495
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: the edge of that, and by this time it's like

496
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: the evening hunt and I perch up on the edge.

497
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: And before I even perch up on the edge, I

498
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: really I was just too deer down below me, and

499
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: they feed up towards us, and it turns into a

500
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: three pack of doze feeds up towards us. I sit

501
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: down and just start watching for more deer, and pretty

502
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: soon I pick up twenty dos in a nice not

503
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: a not a big giant bug, but a nice buck.

504
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: And Yan He's like, I'm gonna go, uh do a

505
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: little scout up and down canyon. Yeah, I just want

506
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: to make sure it was like no real nice vista

507
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: that we were missing. Yeah, did the thing? Did the

508
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: weird shooting occasion happened before or after that? Before? Were

509
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: you sitting by me for the weird shooting things? Okay,

510
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: so a little bit of a weird shooting thing. Earlier

511
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: I was talking about how Colorado's weird. There's always people

512
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: around when we're on the edge of where we're on

513
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: this canyon, rim glassing the bottom of the canyon in

514
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: the other side, like you could see the other side

515
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: was like kind of public but mostly private. Yea canyon

516
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: might be as a little bit in mis leading because

517
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: I start to think about grand canon when you say canyon.

518
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: But there's no real like exposed steep rock cliffs in

519
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: this canyon. It's just like a steep valley. Um. But

520
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: it's like there's nowhere where you can't climb down and

521
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: climb right back up the other side. Sure, and it's

522
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: two you couldn't shoot across it. Yeah, it's a big one,

523
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: too far to shoot across. But right, and we get

524
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: up on our little perch, we're gonna start just observing

525
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: what's going on below us. Yanni picks up two dudes

526
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: perched up on the opposing canyon wall. I didn't know

527
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: that valley wall. Yeah, I told you the story across

528
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: that big aspen draw across it. But higher up than

529
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: us are two pumpkins. And when I say pumpkins, I

530
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: mean dudes wearing Hunters orange. There's two pumpkins, and then

531
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: a while later realized there's another pumpkin below them with

532
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: an orange cowboy hat. And Yanni commented how he has

533
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: a blaze orange cowboy hat. And I speculated that it

534
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: might be one of those covers that you can put

535
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: I think there's like I'm like I said, I bet

536
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: it's an orange cover. If he has an actual blaze

537
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: orange cowboy hat. I like that ship a lot. That's

538
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: what Steve wears too when he's in Colorado. When your

539
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: in Colorado, you wear a big cowboy hat and you

540
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: put the orange cover over it. That's how we do it.

541
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: So see a cowboy hat would have got me thinking

542
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: about what kind of hunter it was. Yes, Listen, my

543
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: friend Ronnie Bam has a maxim. Never wear a hat

544
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: that has more personality than you do. That is why

545
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: I wear baseball hats, not flat rim base definitely not

546
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: a flat brim hat, and I definitely keep my ears

547
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: outside the hat band. About these stormy crombers that we

548
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: like to wear, I was gonna bring that up. They

549
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: work well. I don't have that much personality. They work.

550
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: They work well for you guys. Yeah, But to stick

551
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: to Ronnie Bams max and I wear his baseball hats. See,

552
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: I feel is almost a baseball hat. It's real clothes, right,

553
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: Isn't that how the story goes? That's written on the

554
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: inside of the hate was wearing a baseball hat, but

555
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: you're on an extra flap. They're nice. Well, I do

556
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: wear the first light brim beanie, which is a radar

557
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: hat that's like a trimmed down version of I have

558
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: that level of person I have the personality to support

559
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: that hat. I do not have the personality just support

560
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: a blaze on the cowboy. So so there's two guys

561
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: up high and we're having a conversation about whether or

562
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: not these these groups, the one man group and the

563
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: two man group are affiliate, like are they associates or not?

564
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, bouch. One of them shoots.

565
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: One of them shoots like from his canyon wall, like

566
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: apparently shooting over to our zone, but not our zone

567
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 1: because we're down value. But he's like shooting from his

568
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 1: canyon wall across canyon. So those guys are like, damn

569
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 1: near a mile away. Probably no, no, not, I could

570
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: have walked over there in fifteen minutes. Yeah, And he

571
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: was one of them was down low enough down that

572
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: he could he could shoot across. So it's like bouch,

573
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: and and I looked through my binoes and I can't

574
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: tell what the cowboy had. Dude's doing. He's kind of

575
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: like fidgetting around in some brush. But the two guys

576
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 1: above there are just transfixed with binoculars to their eyes,

577
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: staring across canyon, not even budging, And I'm like, they

578
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: didn't they didn't shoot because they couldn't have gotten into

579
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: positions they're in that fast. It must have been the

580
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: lower guy that shot. So I started watching him, anticipating

581
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 1: that he's gonna huh, you don't run down, do something

582
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: dramatic and like, you know, a single shot, it's a

583
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: good sign. Well, a couple of seconds later, he just

584
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: picks up his rifle and walks back up the hill like, no,

585
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: he wasn't. He didn't go over to check for blood.

586
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. I have no idea what clean miss

587
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: he they kind of like. He starts heading up towards

588
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: the other guys and I'm like, okay, so they are associates.

589
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: They drift off and towards the setting sun, and that's

590
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: when I see a deer coming. I'm like, oh, those

591
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: jokers are spooking deer. But I realized that's not the case.

592
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 1: And outcomes this just string a freaking dose and they

593
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: come out and start feeding, and there's a nice box

594
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: and in a day, and what I later learned was

595
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: a dinker box because they were fighting for a lot.

596
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 1: The two bucks are fighting for a long time. Yanni

597
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: goes to take a look around. Tell what it happened

598
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: in your little odyssey. Yeah, um, yeah, So I left

599
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: just as if we can get if there was a

600
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: better advantage of this Aspen canyon. And so I kind

601
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: of you had perched maybe like yards down off the rim,

602
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: and so I popped back up on the rim. I

603
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: go not fifty yards up canyon, and all of a sudden,

604
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: I'm looking at a doll and I look to my

605
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: peripheral and there's a foaking horn, another dough, probably like

606
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: a pretty spinley, but I don't know, two or three

607
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: year old four by four, you know, like a bucket

608
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: gets your attention, but you're like, probably not today, you know.

609
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: And uh, they kind of see any kind of don't

610
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,439
Speaker 1: and they get close enough whre I could have shot

611
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: with my bow. So it's a nice little, nice little encounter,

612
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: a little wildlife moment. I could farther up, don't see

613
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: much else, don't see a better risk to turn around,

614
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 1: come back and walk all the way past where Steve

615
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: sitting and start to look over more of the canyon,

616
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: and uh, I think I saw between looking down in

617
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: the canyon and doing at a loop, another two does

618
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: and another fork at horn and no more mugs, no

619
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: well way off in the distance. Because I was I

620
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: was almost assuming it might have been the same guys

621
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: that had laughed and they had just you know, done

622
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: a loop and then pop popped out lower in the camp.

623
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: Because it was you could glass up this over on private,

624
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 1: you could glass up this little cabin. They had all

625
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: kinds of trucks parked. They were headed down down canyon. Yeah,

626
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 1: and just as some foreshadowing, boy that those boys get

627
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: some shooting them later, just as foreshadowing. So Yanni comes

628
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 1: back and then we got like an hour left when

629
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: I get back to Steve's and you and you say,

630
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: I'm all geeked out about these dolls that are way

631
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: far away, and you say, um, there's not enough time.

632
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: Even if we were to find a big giant buck,

633
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: there's not enough time to put a move on him. Anyways,

634
00:37:55,480 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: Let's take our little bit of and just do a

635
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: little because it's a real nice trail, do a little

636
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: still hunt down this trail. Since we noticed a bunch

637
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: of deer starting to pop up top here and We're

638
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 1: going along nice and easy, and it starts getting like borderline.

639
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: Find some of the deer again. First, find some of

640
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 1: the deer you saw again, keep moving, marveling at how

641
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: amazing this area is up here, and all of a

642
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 1: sudden spook some deer. It's kind of like borderline too dark,

643
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: probably like borderline legal end of legal shooting light, like

644
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 1: within minutes of the end of legal shooting light. Well,

645
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: I mean I was watching the clock because I definitely

646
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 1: wanted to get to those like to where I knew

647
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: we could look over into stage flats and went about

648
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes left and it's a kind of light with

649
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: it with your naked eye, yeah, you're probably not seeing

650
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 1: real well. But you know, with optics you could eat

651
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: cleanly kill an animal, no problem. Yeah, well, I'm not

652
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: talking about I'm not talking about whether I could have,

653
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: because I've been in a lot of situations where you

654
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: could cleanly kill animals way outside of legal shooting light

655
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: with optics. Oh, because the moon or something snow. Yeah, anyways,

656
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: we're within I was watching were a full moon and

657
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: snow on the ground like round the clock. That's true.

658
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: So anyhow we jump I hear noise and see flashes

659
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: a deer, and Yannie runs ahead to try to get

660
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 1: a look at before to get away, and sees, yeah,

661
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: they have kind of bailed off this edge, And so

662
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: I run down the trail maybe I don't know, fifty yards,

663
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: thinking I'll catch him just down below. I'd have been

664
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: there just an hour earlier, and there's a big sage

665
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: flat Well this was, you know now, HARKing back to

666
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 1: how we're talking about bucks that grow to be big

667
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: and old, is these I think a dough and two bucks.

668
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,919
Speaker 1: I think again, it's pretty pretty dark, a bucking two

669
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: doughs throwing the other buck to in this talk about

670
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: the buck who is not a contender to grow into

671
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: a big, old, giant buck, all right, because well, yeah,

672
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: I'll come back to him. But these two quickly put

673
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 1: binoculars on. They have already made up probably two yards

674
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: I'm guessing maybe more. And I mean they are just

675
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: flat out. There's no stotting. And if you don't know

676
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 1: what that is, it's basically when they pronged, then when

677
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: they're hopping, they are just like flat ears, pinned back

678
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: like rum slow, just burning sage, and they're like, I

679
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: I catch him in my binos, and a half a

680
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,720
Speaker 1: second later they're into the timber and I just remember

681
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: seeing like no anilers, a whole bunch of andlers and

682
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: then a little bit less anglers on the rear one.

683
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, holy shit, they're in here, but we just

684
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 1: bumped them. Then Steve catches up to me. We're overlooking

685
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: the stage flat. He's like, oh, there's another dear, you

686
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: know like that, Keep looking, keep looking, maybe there's more.

687
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: And yeah, he's not a contenter for getting old, because

688
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: what was he was forky? He was like yeah, yeah,

689
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm I gonna get all excited about these

690
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: guys coming through here with a gun. Those guys look

691
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: like trophy hunters. What could possibly happen to me? So

692
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: he's not he doesn't have that special little thing. But

693
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: maybe it takes time, Maybe that dude will get paranoid.

694
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: That yeah, so that I was trying to Yeah, I

695
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 1: tried to add that in earlier, that some of it's learned.

696
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: He that, uh, you have a handful of your bodies

697
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,240
Speaker 1: get shot out from next to you and it probably

698
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: starts to instill in you, Yeah, some of that paranoia.

699
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: Then we just take a hike in the water, and

700
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: then we take a long hike in the dark. And

701
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: my only comment on the hike was that throughout the

702
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: day we climbed Grant over a long period of time,

703
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: quite a long ways and once you come instant all

704
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: into just a late night in the dark march down

705
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: the hill. See that we were traveling downhill longer and

706
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: farther than I ever imagined we had gone, because we

707
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 1: did a big loop. Yeah, you had me worried because

708
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: he's like, man, it took like two hours to get down.

709
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 1: I'm like ninety minutes. Ninety minutes. We were like practically

710
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: running down the damn hill and then we hit the

711
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: we hit the road and had always to hike back

712
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: one point seven miles from the truck. But when he

713
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: said it took ninety minutes to get down, I was like,

714
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: I don't that long to get up. You got a

715
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: little turned around the dark. Never ever been here before.

716
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: It's dark. Yeah, it's not. It's not the best trail spots. Well,

717
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: you guys did it in the in the light today,

718
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 1: so can you follow it. There's a couple of spots

719
00:42:54,840 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: where it what the trails is, uh like when you're

720
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: on a trail. The trail is usually good in the

721
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 1: shitty areas, and you're getting the good areas and people

722
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: just fan out. So every time that trail hits the meadow,

723
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: people are just like the kind of scatter. And then

724
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: you gotta yeah, because that's the spot where you can

725
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 1: actually talk to your buddy and walk with Soody walks

726
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: up next to you. You guys talk about what you're doing. Yeah,

727
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: And then you gotta get to the end of the

728
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 1: meadow and you gotta like pace around trying to find

729
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: out how the trail leaves enter some falls trails. And

730
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,720
Speaker 1: we got off in the dark on a dry wash,

731
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: thinking we were on the trail, and we're on the trail.

732
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,760
Speaker 1: We're on a dry wash, and events you come down,

733
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: find a little creek to get some water through out

734
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: of water, there's five to seventy cartridges laying there, which

735
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: I have no idea, some do, I don't know. Some

736
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 1: dude crouched down and get some water and then dumped

737
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,479
Speaker 1: out of his pocket full am I don't know. Five

738
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: to seventies shells laying there looked like Ramanton cor locks.

739
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: Where are they still there? When you came back? Yep,

740
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: I stuck them all nose into the mud, made like

741
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: a little uh install Asian art with him in the mud,

742
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: except some guy with a horse must have kicked him over,

743
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,439
Speaker 1: because three of them are laying off, but they're still there.

744
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: Um hit the road and then Yanny walks it was

745
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: one point seven miles and gets the rig and comes

746
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: back and fetches me. Now we're staying in a little cabin,

747
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: and we make a plan. We set our alarms for

748
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 1: three forty five am. Right, and Brody, you're gonna come

749
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: to meet us, And no, you weren't. You had bailed

750
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: you take the kids in. No, he had bailed. Set

751
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: our lars with three forty five am, so that we

752
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: can get back up in the zone before it gets

753
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: light out up on our perch, canyon perch. But all

754
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: night I'm not sleeping well because like Yanni just rummaging

755
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: around an e benu. I'm like, what's going on? And

756
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: he's having like a heart attack. I wasn't having a

757
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: heart attack. Thing goodness, but talking about your problem this

758
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 1: is the way I'll being like an episode of Oprah,

759
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: because we're gonna talk about like you having like a

760
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 1: health scare and the triumph of finding out what was

761
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: going on? We don't have that. Who's that guy that

762
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 1: was always like, oh yo, take some rhubar backs track,

763
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: it'll cure that. Garrett. No, doctor Oz, I was taking

764
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: doctors go ahead. This is like a doctor Oz episode.

765
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: Garret probably give us some that tinsture that he likes

766
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: to put on his tongue when he's everybody's sick around him. Um. Yes,

767
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: I've been dealing with these symptoms for I don't know,

768
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: five to fifteen years fifteen years ago. It was the

769
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: first time I remember having something that where I was

770
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: in police um with my wife before we got married,

771
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: angling angling, doing some bone fish angling, staying at my

772
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: buddies place. Who owns the Blue Water Grill down there

773
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: on what's that call Ambigas. Yeah, if you ever down there,

774
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: it's the only place you need to go eat, go

775
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: to the Blue Water And um, well real quick, Brody

776
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: did used a guy down there? No, I just fished

777
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 1: down there. Yeah, Brody used to do some hosted trips

778
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 1: ye down there. Um yeah. So we had been angling

779
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: in the hot sun, possibly gotten dehydra or whatever, and

780
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: I sort of had a like a fluttering heart feeling,

781
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: maybe like a miss beat something along those lines, and

782
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: I couldn't kick it, and so I end up going

783
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: to the doctor down there in the last which like

784
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: it's kind of scary in him itself, just because you're

785
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: in another country. Yeah, they speak English, so yeah, and um,

786
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: they could really you know say what it was like,

787
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: you needed to go check it out. They gave me

788
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 1: something to call me down. I was fine, and uh

789
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 1: I got home. When you get my heart checked out,

790
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: had to e k G. I can't remember where the

791
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: test they ran and I said I was fine, No,

792
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: no problems. So like ten years probably went by, and um,

793
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: one night just wake up in the middle of the

794
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: night and sort of have like an increased heart rate

795
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: and again sort of it like fluttering heart feeling and uh,

796
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: and stuff's going wrong with your heart man itself? Again,

797
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: is not that like there's no pain associated it's not scary. No,

798
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: But I'm no doctor. I'm no doctor. But I told it.

799
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: When your heart stops, when your heart stops working, that's

800
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: not good. Nothing you can feel it. Yeah, So it

801
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 1: it makes like something like an immense amount of anxiety

802
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: when you feel that, you know, but there's no, like

803
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: I said, no pain associated with it, you know, It's like,

804
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: it's funny because I've had a lot of injuries over

805
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: the years, and you know, I've had both knees blown

806
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: out and fixed in the last few years, and none

807
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 1: of that stuff really makes me nervous because you're just

808
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: like whatever, it's like bones and muscle, and it's like

809
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: they ain't gonna kill me, right, But when your heart's fluttering,

810
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: you're thinking what's next? It might kill me. So but

811
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 1: until until two nights ago, I'd always just call myself down,

812
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: walk around, make a phone call to my wife. It's

813
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: always seemed sort of like talking to people are engaging

814
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: somehow sort of takes my mind off it, and I

815
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: would get rid of the flutter, you know, because it

816
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: would be like a every three or four breaths at

817
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 1: the end of the next shale, you just feel like

818
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,959
Speaker 1: this little like extra just enough to be like what

819
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: what was that? What the fuck? What was that? You know?

820
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: And um So, so the other night it happened twice.

821
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: We went to bed like nine early, and like ten,

822
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: I wake up and feeling it. I'm like, fuck, well,

823
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 1: Jennifer's at home butcher butchering my dear left her. So

824
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: she's been sending me text like what about this? And

825
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 1: what about that? So I knew she was up, so

826
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: I called her and you know, so she's chatting me

827
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,720
Speaker 1: up and kind of talking me down and it goes away.

828
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: It's fine. I like, all right, Cony, to get some sleep.

829
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: We're getting up in like freaking three hours or something.

830
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: So go back to sleep and at two am wake up.

831
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 1: Same thing. And I don't know still to this day,

832
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: like what's the um? Like what causes it? Like what what?

833
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: What's the what kicks it off? Right? We're sleeping in

834
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: a small cabin. Steve's got too many logs on the fire.

835
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: It's like a sawny in here, so it's hard to sleep.

836
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: My body might be stretched from that. We did a

837
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: pretty big hike, so I could have been you know,

838
00:49:55,880 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: tuck it out or or um just what's the word

839
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: I'm looking for it, you know, just after some strenuous activity. Yeah,

840
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: like in the past, as it happened, like mostly at

841
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: night when you're sleeping. One time I had a UM

842
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 1: during the day episode. I was actually elker deer hunting

843
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 1: in Montana a couple of years ago, and the same thing.

844
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: I kind of just started going back down the hill

845
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: and got my mind off, and by the time I

846
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: got to the truck, they're going away and I end

847
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: up actually driving to a different different trailhead going hunting

848
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: for the evening. But anyways, to night twice in one night,

849
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,720
Speaker 1: and I had had enough. So I've been there multiple

850
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: times when I'm like, man, I should just go to

851
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: the doctor right now, go to the hospital and get

852
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: it checked out. So I'm sitting here. You want to

853
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 1: catch it. You want to catch it where the doctor

854
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: can actually see, because you couldn't even tell you were

855
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: even entertaining the idea that it's just something that exists

856
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: in your head. Yeah, right, because it's sole minor, you know.

857
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,919
Speaker 1: And this like after now talking to the cardiologists, um

858
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: p A, I can now back that up because she's

859
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: saying that, like, so, well, we'll get back to that

860
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: um at two thirty in the morning. I'm like, yeah, Steve,

861
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like I want to go to

862
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 1: the hospitals. She's like, well, let's fucking go. I'm like,

863
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: all right, let's go. It's about a time. So we

864
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: drive the nearest I proposed the hospital. Yeah yeah, well,

865
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,479
Speaker 1: well yeah, I'll just curiously what's happening to you. Yeah,

866
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: but I think I had said that, Like I'm kind

867
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: of like thinking about anyways, it's not important because I

868
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 1: just I just had a morbid curiosity. I just wanted

869
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: to have I just want to want to go nap

870
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: in the hospital chair for a couple of hours. Yeah.

871
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: It's funny. As I'm sitting there all hooked up to

872
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: the machines, They're like, yeah, you're all set. If you

873
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: want to, you know, buddy to come in and hang out,

874
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 1: that's fine. I'm like, no, he doesn't need to. He's like, yeah,

875
00:51:54,880 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: well he's sleeping out there anyway. Come on. Um. So yeah,

876
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: we go and uh, you know, they just do the

877
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: normal check up and ask me what's up, and uh

878
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: hook me up to the machine. All the machines that

879
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 1: monitor your heart rate. I don't know what. They're just

880
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: a regular monitor it's called but you know, you get

881
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: a couple of tabs on, you get a little pulse

882
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: deally on your finger. Um. They hit me with the

883
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: saline flush, which I think I've had before, but you know,

884
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 1: it's really interesting. I she's like, yeah, you're gonna taste

885
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,919
Speaker 1: it or maybe smell it. I'm like huh, And she's

886
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: like telling me as she's doing it, and immediately like

887
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 1: my mouth is full of salt, like holy shit. Yeah,

888
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: She's like yeah, it happens. And they gave you some

889
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: add a van. Yeah. So well they also hit me

890
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: with some liquids and then it kept It was good

891
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: because the sentence kept going so they were able to

892
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: see it on the monitor. They set me up with

893
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: the e k G, which is basically just like the

894
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: next level of hard monitors. So now instead of having

895
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: like two things attached to you've got ten, you know,

896
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: said have technacles. I'm in all off of you. And uh.

897
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: Before they gave me the ada van, I'm like, but

898
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: don't you don't want to do that to you because

899
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: it's gonna melow me out and symptoms will probably go away.

900
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: And she's like nope, no, that won't do it. So

901
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: it's just like it's like in your head, um, yeah,

902
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: as you're thinking that you're dying. Yeah yeah, which was

903
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: odd because I'm normally having like a very nervous reaction

904
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: to the symptoms and to have the symptoms happening and

905
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: in my head just being like yeah, whatever, heart flutter,

906
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: no big deal. Because when my old man was dying.

907
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: Hospice gave us liquid ada van and liquid morphine to

908
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: put with an eye dropper into his mouth when he

909
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: was struggling for air. So I was familiar with that

910
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 1: adavan when you told me that story. So, and they

911
00:53:52,360 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: diagnosed you with something called three things, um, three possible things,

912
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 1: well to for sure one possible. Later the when I

913
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: talked to the cardiology um p A, she said that

914
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: on my e k G report she didn't actually see

915
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: the s VT, which is the acronym for superventricular a cardia,

916
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,919
Speaker 1: but she did see the palpitations and premature atrial contractions.

917
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: What she also said, which is interesting, which backs up

918
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 1: my um I thought earlier, my hypothesis that I had

919
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: that it could just been in my head. She's like,

920
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:39,760
Speaker 1: in most rooms, nine out of ten people have palpitations

921
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: and premature atrial contractions and just basically like fluttering or

922
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: extra beats or misbeats. But they might only happen once

923
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,959
Speaker 1: a day or once a month or once a year,

924
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 1: or they could be just like so slight that the

925
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 1: person does never notices it. So she's like, it's quite common,

926
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,879
Speaker 1: but most people just aren't noticing the it's happening. To him,

927
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: you just when it happens to you, you just have

928
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 1: any very acute to that sense, and you're you know,

929
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: and me that's going on and it wakes you up

930
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night. She also thinks that

931
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 1: I might have shortness of breath. They kept asking about altitude.

932
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: You know, what would cause something shortness of Belize is zero.

933
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:21,240
Speaker 1: Belize is zero, that's right. And I live at five.

934
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 1: We're only at you know, six or seven? Now, Um,

935
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean the the uh, we don't. We

936
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 1: don't know exactly what's up now. She said that I

937
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: do not had the SPT here at least she didn't

938
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: see that. So she recommends that I go see the cardiologists.

939
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 1: I'm hoping they have an appointment next week in Bozeman.

940
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: But what's up? She did tell you? No more? Oh yeah, yeah.

941
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 1: So here's the weird part. Because the paperwork says the

942
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: lifestyle changes are a good idea, and it says the

943
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 1: exercise right, yeah, they tell you. So they give a

944
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,919
Speaker 1: piece of paper that says exercise, but tell him don't

945
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: do anything. Yeah. It's funny, man, because it's like it's

946
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,399
Speaker 1: it's always like that in the hospital because you look

947
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: around and most other people don't look like you. What

948
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: I mean by that is, you know, I'm knowing like

949
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 1: you know, podium athlete. But just like, yeah, I tried

950
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: his heart exploders. I do my part in trying to

951
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 1: keep myself healthy. And when you're in the hospital a

952
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 1: lot of times just surrounded by people that aren't that healthy.

953
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: And it was the same thing two nights ago. And

954
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: so I think this paperwork is sort of written most

955
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 1: of the time for the average like, what the hell

956
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 1: a little exercise is that what you're here for? It's not. Yeah,

957
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 1: it's gonna help, you know, help you out to walk

958
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: around a little bit more. Whatever. So, yeah, so the

959
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: morning hunt is blown. Morning hunt is done. Yeah, because

960
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: we come back and we're sleeping when we should be here.

961
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 1: And they've told you any now that until he finds

962
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,879
Speaker 1: out what's actually going on with his heart, be sure

963
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: to stay well, hydrated, rest, no strenuous activity. So what

964
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: I was talking to the cardiology uh gal, the p A.

965
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, what exactly, there's no strange activity because we've

966
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: got this hunt plan. It's gonna be you know, three

967
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: to four miles, a couple of thousand feet elevation hopefully

968
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: suss like probably not, you know, not a good idea.

969
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 1: You need to go figure out what it is. So, um,

970
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: we can leave it at this. She thinks that it's

971
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: most likely benign. And then I just have the flutter

972
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: like everybody else has, and I just feel it more

973
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 1: and most likely a CARDIOIY is gonna give me some

974
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: sort of a drug that so when I have these

975
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 1: sort of episodes, I can take this drug that will

976
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: basically like like smack my heart and knock it out.

977
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: Really yeah, it's like a pill form of a defibrillator.

978
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 1: So that's kind of what it sounds like. That's one word.

979
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 1: And again all you doctors are nurses, don't need to

980
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: write in about it. Um, I'm sure I'm not saying

981
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: exactly what this isn't It isn't verbatim from what she

982
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: told me, but I will we'll check back in on this,

983
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna go get checked out. There's two words

984
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: I struggle with superfluous, which I just said that time,

985
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: but sometimes I can't. That means like more than necessary

986
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: and then what's the thing that app your heart with later?

987
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: That word is hard for me to say. Um, So

988
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: the morning hunt is ship bagel. You have a hard

989
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: time with bagel? Yeah, dude, I just avoid it, like

990
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 1: you know, you go to them around Doughey Deals, you know. Yeah,

991
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 1: it starts with me. They you put cream cheese on them. Um,

992
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: So you were waffling on your plan at that point, Well, yes,

993
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 1: I was, because we've spent so much time on Yi's

994
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:00,080
Speaker 1: a little health scare that I didn't know if I

995
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 1: really had. I don't know if I had time to

996
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: get up into the zone. But and um, into the

997
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: zone is set camp up. We'll get up in the

998
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: zone and having like a reasonable evening hunt and then

999
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: a reasonable morning hunt. And after much vacillation and trying

1000
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 1: to try trying to cajole Brody into joining me at

1001
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: my hunt, but but it was it was I was

1002
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 1: springing on him a little too sooner for him to

1003
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: make proper plans um with family and work issues and

1004
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: all that. So I rushed. I finally get pulled my

1005
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: ship to get enough from Okay and rush in and

1006
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: pack up my overnight gear and Yanni drops me back

1007
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: at the trailhead and I got my overnight gear and

1008
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: I want to get up into the zone. And I

1009
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 1: start hiking up and the whole time I'm following lots

1010
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: of horse tracks overlaid with two sets of boot tracks

1011
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 1: that were not there the night before. So I'm feeling

1012
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: like enormous amounts of stress that there's a bunch of

1013
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 1: mugs up in the zone and I'm assuming like horse

1014
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: hunters are out and boot hunters are out, and I'm

1015
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: like three quarters the way up to the zone and

1016
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 1: I find out who the boots belong to is I

1017
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: run into a couple of old hippies who are out

1018
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: hikings describe. I want to hear what two old hippies

1019
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: are bearded dudes or with like bandanas around their hands

1020
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 1: like Willie. No one had a Hawaii themed baseball hat

1021
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: blue with palm trees and suns on it and stuff

1022
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: like a Hawaii like I had that I wouldn't have

1023
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: the personality to support a Hawaii themed baseball hat in

1024
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 1: an orange vest. And one had an orange bandana tied

1025
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 1: around his head with hair, you know, long hair and

1026
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: a beard, like are you do you saying that I

1027
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: don't know what old hippie when I see one who

1028
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: just get a kick out of it, because when I

1029
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 1: say old hippiot mean that like a guy who was

1030
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 1: in the counter culture at the time when being in

1031
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 1: the counterculture was countercultural. So like he was in his

1032
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: twenties in the sixties, okay, And that if you embraced

1033
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 1: that lifestyle at that time, apparently it's very hard to

1034
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 1: shake and you carry with you visual cues in the

1035
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: old manness that kee me to that. And also you

1036
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 1: can't shake the lineup of the age, right, So you

1037
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 1: were in your teens in the late sixties and these

1038
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:48,439
Speaker 1: things click and that look, and I'm like, I don't

1039
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 1: think you were a big conservative in the late sixties.

1040
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 1: I feel like you were left of center in the

1041
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 1: late sixties and doing drugs. That's my read on his

1042
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 1: facile smile, cheery. No, But they were talking to me aloud,

1043
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 1: So I was planning. I was hiking up listening to

1044
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 1: them up ahead of me and thinking their hunters and

1045
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, like, it is it okay for me to

1046
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: say that you are b a h bad hunting And

1047
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 1: I said, hey, fellers, just generally keep it down. But

1048
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 1: I get up and it's just two dudes out enjoying

1049
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 1: the joining being alive in America. I don't like and

1050
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 1: it was a beautiful afternoon. It was, and he says me,

1051
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 1: is it hunting season? And I said yeah, and he goes,

1052
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 1: are you sure? And I said yeah, and he goes

1053
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 1: a good The guy wore this orange. They said. I

1054
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 1: got a friend one time hunted all day and it

1055
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 1: wasn't eve hunting season. Didn't know untill he got home

1056
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 1: at night. Then he said, it's good to see someone

1057
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 1: out hiking without horses, and um, I said, yeah, we

1058
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 1: do a lot of walking. And the other guy goes, well,

1059
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 1: even if you do have horses, you still gotta hike

1060
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 1: a lot if you're hunting. And with that we bid

1061
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 1: our farewells and they went down the mountain. Well it's

1062
01:02:55,800 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 1: nice to I mean, no negative input whatsoever. Nice, no

1063
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 1: we had. I'm glad I ran into Gladiated. I'm just

1064
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 1: like just a regular Colorado. Yeah. I feel like that

1065
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 1: um age hippie because there's like there's newer, younger hippies.

1066
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 1: You know, they might not have been they weren't in

1067
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 1: their teens in the sixties, but you know who I'm

1068
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 1: talking about. But I feel like that um era of hippie. Um,

1069
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 1: it's not anti hunting. These were guys that were hunting,

1070
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 1: probably because or who's relatives whatever, the old kind of that,

1071
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 1: like the old kind of hippie. Now okay, I have

1072
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 1: relatives that were hippies and they live the tepees and

1073
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 1: eight porcupines and stuff. They shot with longbows because there

1074
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 1: was like back to the land. There was like a

1075
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 1: back to the land element to being the hippie. And

1076
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 1: also you have you get a commune, you raise chickens

1077
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 1: and pigs. Animal the animal rights movement didn't really like,

1078
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 1: didn't really take hold to a little bit later, you

1079
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 1: know in Pete with Pete Singer. Well, yeah, we recently

1080
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 1: learned that it was almost an offshoot of the civil rights.

1081
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 1: Civil rights Yeah, so yeah, I don't when I see

1082
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 1: an old hippie, I don't go like, oh, this guy

1083
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 1: doesn't like hunting. I mean, some bitch probably as far

1084
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 1: as I know, used to hunt like the wasn't. He's

1085
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 1: not so avid that he keeps track of win's hunting

1086
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 1: season or not. But they like the connection to the land. Yeah, connections.

1087
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 1: I see those guys in some damn mountain biker or

1088
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, of course, Anderson speaking, I love

1089
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 1: mountain bikers too, But I don't know I would rather

1090
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 1: run into non hunting old hippies on the trail than

1091
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 1: than dudes are out pounding the ground with with high

1092
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 1: end optics finding all the boxers. I was relieved to

1093
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 1: find out. The last thing I wanted was to turn

1094
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 1: out to be like two young whipper snappers out there

1095
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 1: like pounding the ground, and I'd be like, how man,

1096
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 1: I gotta deal with these guys. So you all you

1097
01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 1: are old enough to call young hunters whipper snappers. No, no,

1098
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 1: but you know what I'm saying, Just get back from

1099
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 1: my point. All the time I'm behind boot tracks thinking

1100
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 1: that I need to overtake or whatever that I'm on

1101
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 1: tainted ground that's already been hunted. It was a rage building, No,

1102
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 1: it just was really eager to find out. I was

1103
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: eager to see when their tracks split from the trail.

1104
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 1: Turns out the tracks lead me to a pair old

1105
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 1: hippies were headed back downhill. So then I'm like a

1106
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 1: little bit excited because I'm getting up into the zone

1107
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 1: prime time. But our tracks in the night have been

1108
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 1: obliterated by up hill horse travelers, So I'm real worried

1109
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 1: about these horse guys. Now, see that doesn't usually worry

1110
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 1: me because they're usually going in further than Yes, that's

1111
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 1: what I was banking on. And I find that guys

1112
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:55,919
Speaker 1: don't do good spot and game from horseback. There's too

1113
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 1: much there's you're you're you're paying attention to other stuff.

1114
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 1: Got horses. It's an unstable viewing platform. So movement just

1115
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 1: like a guy blasted you on a horse oftentimes not

1116
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 1: This is not general I mean this is not true

1117
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 1: cross the board, but just generally speaking, I think of

1118
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 1: a guy on a horse is potentially missing game. Well,

1119
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 1: you gotta make sure you're gonna stay alive on a horse.

1120
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 1: Number one. That's the weird thing I always see, like

1121
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 1: people are paranoid. Like I always kind of have a

1122
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 1: little chuckle about people who carry weapons because they're afraid

1123
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 1: of mountain lions and black bears. But you'll meet guys

1124
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 1: on a horse who have a pistol and they're not

1125
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 1: in a grizz country like and I look, I wish

1126
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 1: grizz has lived everywhere, but he Uh. When you see

1127
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 1: a guy on a horse with a pistol for grizz

1128
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 1: in or for black bear and mountainlin protection, I'm like,

1129
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 1: the safest thing for you would be to shoot that

1130
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 1: horse between the ears, because it's gonna wind up having this.

1131
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:56,919
Speaker 1: That thing is gonna kick you in the head. Maybe

1132
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 1: maybe not this year, but next year or the year

1133
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 1: after that, you're gonna get beat That horse is gonna

1134
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 1: beat you, senseless man. Horses are dangerous. No, we were

1135
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 1: hanging out with a guy here. Um oh yeah, I

1136
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 1: think it was two days ago medical here broke five

1137
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 1: ribs and crippled up from Because I love horse, I'm

1138
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 1: not doubt I'm just saying, like, like if I was

1139
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 1: gonna say, like, what's more like it gonna injure me

1140
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 1: in my life? A horse or a lion, Absolutely a horse.

1141
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:27,959
Speaker 1: So but now it's getting on towards the good time time,

1142
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 1: and I get up into the zone and I get

1143
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 1: to where we spooked the big box timber Bucks, timber Bucks.

1144
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 1: I get to where we spooked him, and I didn't

1145
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 1: realize quite how close that place was. And even Yanni

1146
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 1: felt active spood was we spooked him, but it was

1147
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 1: dark and no one shot at him, and the wind

1148
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 1: wasn't really in their favor. I don't think they spooked spooked.

1149
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 1: They were just think we bumped him. And Yoni was

1150
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 1: even saying I wouldn't be surprised at those bucks. He

1151
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 1: was steering me. He was steering me to go to

1152
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 1: that exact and watch the stage flat they were by.

1153
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 1: I didn't like that plan, but those just gives you

1154
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 1: an idea that yon He's take on it was that

1155
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 1: that buck isn't he didn't leave the county, but you were.

1156
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 1: You also needed a camp somewhere. Yeah, I could have

1157
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 1: slept anywhere. But Yan he's like he was, He's like

1158
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 1: the buck didn't like moved a wyoming or something like.

1159
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:30,759
Speaker 1: He's around. And I get up to the big Queen mother,

1160
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:33,760
Speaker 1: what is that what we're going to call the medal?

1161
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 1: And the horse tracks are still going, no sign any

1162
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 1: horses anywhere, and they could have been anywhere and all

1163
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 1: day long. And I get to the big meadow and

1164
01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 1: I got maybe fifty minutes legal shooting light left, and

1165
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 1: I and I pondered the idea that I would still

1166
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 1: hunt the edge and reject that because it just seems

1167
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 1: a little bit like I'm gonna spoot game that I

1168
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:01,880
Speaker 1: might want to be there in the morning. And I

1169
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,800
Speaker 1: pond of the idea also of going over and looking

1170
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 1: off the piering ledge where we watched the guy who

1171
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:12,519
Speaker 1: took a poke the day before his rifle, but decide

1172
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: instead to go into a little standard timber that's kind

1173
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 1: of like an island out in the middle of the

1174
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:20,599
Speaker 1: Queen Mother of All stage meadows, and I'm gonna set

1175
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 1: up there. So I get up to where I'm gonna be,

1176
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 1: and I even make a plan on, get my tripod

1177
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: out and set my shooting v up on the tripod,

1178
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna sit for twenty minutes this medal

1179
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:38,719
Speaker 1: see what all is going on. And but I'm getting

1180
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 1: cold because I got a sweaty clown up the hill.

1181
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:43,680
Speaker 1: So I kind of hunker in and well, first I

1182
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 1: was like glass everything around me. It was like nothing there,

1183
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:49,759
Speaker 1: and I kind of get down. I'm digging around my backpack.

1184
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna change my add some layers, and I even

1185
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 1: got my pants, my belts opened. My pants are undone

1186
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 1: because I'm thinking I'm gonna add a couple of things

1187
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 1: and talk add a shirt and tucking into pants and

1188
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 1: get all cozy for the evening. Six it's getting cold

1189
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 1: and I'm in the middle of side look up and

1190
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, now where nothing was a minute

1191
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 1: ago is a very nice, A big old buck a

1192
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 1: hundred plus yards going directly away from me. He'd come

1193
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 1: out of this little finger of aspens. It was going

1194
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 1: away from me. And without even fixing my pants, I

1195
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:32,639
Speaker 1: just raised my rifle and lean it on a tree.

1196
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 1: And this thing is just walk and walk and walking

1197
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 1: and showing no sign of like doing anything other than

1198
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 1: he's grabbing a bite now and then I think of grass.

1199
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 1: But he's not even kind of turning. He's just going

1200
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 1: dead away from me. And I think like, I'm gonna

1201
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 1: have to follow him and try to veer side to

1202
01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:55,559
Speaker 1: get a broadside shot, because I wasn't gonna take a

1203
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 1: shot going away shot on him. But I'm like, no,

1204
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 1: some minute I stepped clearer this timber, he's just gone

1205
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 1: like face me or not face me. He's gonna just

1206
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 1: sense my presence. So, in a I don't have buck

1207
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 1: fever yet, I don't think, but in a panic you

1208
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 1: had decided you wanted him, though, yeah, like nothing you've

1209
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 1: ever wanted in your life. Because when I see my

1210
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:23,759
Speaker 1: scope up, I knew I could just see the frame.

1211
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 1: And when I see my scope up, I could see

1212
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 1: all these extra points sticking out of the points and

1213
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 1: little TV does it from most guys little teeny bucks.

1214
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:38,680
Speaker 1: Little teeny bucks don't have little teeny points sticking out

1215
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 1: of their points. Generally, if you see a big frame

1216
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 1: and it's got little teeny stickers, as they say, which

1217
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:49,800
Speaker 1: is a term I do not like extra people junk with.

1218
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 1: That would mean it stuff you don't want, Like you

1219
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 1: don't want garbage, right, you get rid of it. I

1220
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 1: want these things badly. I've decided to call them gold

1221
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:02,639
Speaker 1: little golds. And I wanted shooting real bad. So I

1222
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 1: say to him, to the buck, I say hey, and

1223
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:11,720
Speaker 1: it works like a charm kinda. He doesn't spend. I'm thinking,

1224
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:14,680
Speaker 1: in the perfect world, he's gonna stop spinning broadside. But

1225
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:19,439
Speaker 1: what he does is he looks back and turns enough.

1226
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 1: And this is the point where buck fever happens. I

1227
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:26,559
Speaker 1: now officially have buck fever because he turns slightly and

1228
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 1: I think to myself, Oh, you can sneak one in there,

1229
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 1: Like I got enough exposure where I could sneak one

1230
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 1: in there that last rib and bou and the deer

1231
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:45,640
Speaker 1: humps up like like jumps humped up and kicks like

1232
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 1: a heart shot. That's what I think happened. I think

1233
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 1: you're in the I think I put one in the

1234
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 1: boiler room. Because when you hit a deer in the heart,

1235
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 1: it humps up. If you hit him too far back,

1236
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 1: he slumps down out. If you see a deer arts

1237
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 1: like a cat, what's that moving yoga? Not downward dog,

1238
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 1: but upward it is? Can't cow cow cat cow. If

1239
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 1: you see a deer, do like a yoga move where

1240
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:17,600
Speaker 1: you archer backup like or like a cat, hunch his

1241
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:21,559
Speaker 1: backup fast. He's hit good. He does it. He does

1242
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 1: the thing that says to me, after a lifetime of

1243
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 1: watching such things occur, it says to me that he's

1244
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 1: hit good. And he turns at a ninety degree. He's

1245
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 1: like a hundred and probably like a hundred seventy yards out,

1246
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:41,439
Speaker 1: spins at a ninety degree and starts just hauling ass

1247
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 1: across me, now broad side, looking at his right side

1248
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 1: as he's running, and I'm expecting him to tip over,

1249
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 1: and he's not tipping over, and he's not tipping over,

1250
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 1: and he's gonna vanish into an aspen patch. So, thinking

1251
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 1: I've already hit him and I'm now dealing with a

1252
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:02,720
Speaker 1: wounded deer, I swings through him. I come from behind him,

1253
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 1: so that my cross theirs in my scope passed through

1254
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 1: the center of his body, and just like I'm leading

1255
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 1: the duck, I passed through and touched that trigger at

1256
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 1: the end of his neck because he's already wounded. And

1257
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 1: that way, if you're off on your lead, you have

1258
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 1: a whole lot of room to be off. Yeah, at

1259
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 1: that point, you're just trying to get more at that point,

1260
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:28,559
Speaker 1: just trying to bullet into him and bouch and he

1261
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 1: just goes down like like down, like he's been hitting

1262
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 1: the spine. Yeah, And I go over there and sure enough,

1263
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:41,360
Speaker 1: he's just like as Bryan Callan would say dead or

1264
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:46,599
Speaker 1: a wedge, as Jerry Clower would say, graveyard dead, just dead.

1265
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 1: And he's got a hole in his neck and that

1266
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 1: thing doesn't have another scratch on him. I totally buck

1267
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 1: fever in my first shot. It's weird that he like,

1268
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:01,519
Speaker 1: I wonder why I jumped where you were there? You

1269
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 1: skinned him. There is not a scratch on that deer.

1270
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:11,080
Speaker 1: Maybe he felt the breeze. I don't know. I would

1271
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 1: have never like, well, maybe he jumped out of the

1272
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 1: way of the bullet. Yes, he felt the bullet coming.

1273
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:19,720
Speaker 1: He could be that he could be like there's a

1274
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 1: certain bigness and the oldness the buck gets where not

1275
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 1: only does he know to run away when they run

1276
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 1: and when to sneak, but he also knows when to

1277
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:29,960
Speaker 1: jump out of the way of bullets. I never, in

1278
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:32,639
Speaker 1: a million years, I would never have taken a full

1279
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 1: on run shot at a buck. It's just not something

1280
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:42,400
Speaker 1: I would do. I'll doing a wild pig, but wouldn't

1281
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:47,800
Speaker 1: do it on like a a cherished animal that anyone, right,

1282
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 1: because the chances of you getting a bad hit are

1283
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:53,600
Speaker 1: so high. But if you've already wounded it and you

1284
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:56,760
Speaker 1: gotta go find it anyway, it's like, yeah, it's like

1285
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 1: you don't then you don't have like you know, like

1286
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 1: like pursuing wounded game. You don't talk about like ethical

1287
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 1: shots And was this wounded that? That's that's all out

1288
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:07,720
Speaker 1: the window, and now was just get it dead? So

1289
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:11,720
Speaker 1: I don't even deserve the buck. I don't know about that. Yeah,

1290
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:14,599
Speaker 1: that's a little harsh. So I go over there, an

1291
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:18,599
Speaker 1: area is dead and there's no cell phone stating anywhere.

1292
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 1: I don't have a vehicle because I got dropped off.

1293
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:24,640
Speaker 1: But you've got a beautiful stage flat to camp in Yeah,

1294
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 1: so I uh got the deer, and there's something any

1295
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 1: that arts wants you to drag some part of you

1296
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 1: that Arts wants to drag ship over to a tree,

1297
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:41,400
Speaker 1: like psychologically got him out to drug him over to

1298
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:43,920
Speaker 1: a tree. And I didn't want to leave him there

1299
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 1: overnight because I thought Kyletes would get them. There's a

1300
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:50,600
Speaker 1: lot of Coyle tracks around there, so I kicked a

1301
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:53,720
Speaker 1: weigh all this out in my head and in the end,

1302
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 1: and I know that Brodie's coming up. Brody had made

1303
01:16:56,720 --> 01:16:58,479
Speaker 1: a plan to meet me up there around eight am

1304
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:03,439
Speaker 1: for the day's hunt. So I'll just make a fire,

1305
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:09,280
Speaker 1: cook some house, then go to sleep like ridiculously early,

1306
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 1: like sixty five or something like that, because this is

1307
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:14,920
Speaker 1: like dark and I don't want to leave my deer

1308
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:16,400
Speaker 1: to get eaten. So I just set my tent like

1309
01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:19,080
Speaker 1: literally like next like if I rolled up to like

1310
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:21,479
Speaker 1: if like it would be like I could like spoon

1311
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:25,080
Speaker 1: the deer through the tent wall and just kinda want

1312
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 1: nothing getting at him. Set my alarm for three forty

1313
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 1: five am, wake up three forty five am, make a

1314
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:36,640
Speaker 1: cup of villa, and run down and actually catch Brody

1315
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 1: ten ft from his truck. Had up trail six o'clock

1316
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:44,960
Speaker 1: in the morning. We have a cup of hot Cocoa's surprised, Brody,

1317
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 1: who's that guy with that? Yeah, because I got up

1318
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:50,599
Speaker 1: so early, I knew i'd make it back. But way

1319
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:54,720
Speaker 1: before got dayloight having a cup of hot cocoa and

1320
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 1: go back up and here's the thing. We get back

1321
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 1: up there and it's nothing but dudes. We were surrounded

1322
01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 1: like how, I don't understand, and all down in the

1323
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:11,639
Speaker 1: camp my beloved Aspen Canyon. I think they're actually below

1324
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 1: the like there where it opened up, but the same canyon,

1325
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:18,559
Speaker 1: just down lower. It is just like it. Remember hunting

1326
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 1: that Dug Durns and opening day in Wisconsin that we

1327
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:25,680
Speaker 1: had at least at least a box am and no

1328
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:28,680
Speaker 1: one shoots once. No, it was three or four or

1329
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:32,439
Speaker 1: five at a time, volleys of shots. And there's three

1330
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:35,840
Speaker 1: dudes perched up magically who like somehow weren't there the

1331
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:38,880
Speaker 1: night before. There's three dudes perched up on the big

1332
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 1: magic meadow. Yep, they must have been having a deer

1333
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:49,360
Speaker 1: drive down. I heard like I heard one boom swap. Yeah,

1334
01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:51,840
Speaker 1: you could hear the pumpkin strike. But even that guy

1335
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:54,080
Speaker 1: did a volley, but then he just shot some more

1336
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 1: just out of the joy of the general trigger happiness

1337
01:18:57,320 --> 01:19:01,559
Speaker 1: of American guys like her knelt back onto the private

1338
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:03,679
Speaker 1: or something. For a while. They were shooting so much

1339
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 1: even that idea out. So there's three guys observe in

1340
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 1: the medal. Two were kind of together and once off

1341
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:11,360
Speaker 1: in the air. So I just want to explain too,

1342
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 1: if it sounds like weird to maybe if you're an

1343
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 1: Eastern listener that were like so like upset about all

1344
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:20,759
Speaker 1: these shots, because if you're like, if you're a dude

1345
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 1: from the other side of the Mississippi, you're like, yeah,

1346
01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:27,040
Speaker 1: it's like Opening Day or Opening two days. Like you

1347
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:30,520
Speaker 1: hear shooting all the time in the white tailed deerwoods

1348
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 1: out west in the in the Greater Expanses. It's just

1349
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 1: simply not like that the shooting was so voluminous. Can

1350
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:43,679
Speaker 1: I use that here, that there's so much shooting going

1351
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:46,479
Speaker 1: on down And eventually we get to where the deer's

1352
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:48,760
Speaker 1: all butchered out except for just skin in the head,

1353
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:56,719
Speaker 1: and Brody has the just out of curiosity wander over

1354
01:19:57,320 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 1: to get to the edge of the canyon to see

1355
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 1: what's going on down there. All the cracking and bouching,

1356
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 1: and I sat up and so we got all the meat,

1357
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 1: like the meats all done. All the meats well, we

1358
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:13,760
Speaker 1: kept So we had the four legs. Hole took the

1359
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:18,599
Speaker 1: back straps off, Bondless took the tender loins off, just

1360
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:23,800
Speaker 1: as tenderlines. The rib cages saw the rib cage off.

1361
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:27,640
Speaker 1: So we just hauled out whole rib slabs. Took what

1362
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:30,400
Speaker 1: are the neck we could because I, you know, done

1363
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:36,360
Speaker 1: a number on the neck and then I was skinning

1364
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 1: the head out. You know, what I was thinking about

1365
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:42,519
Speaker 1: today is like I used to take, oh, a multi tool,

1366
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:44,679
Speaker 1: Like when you're skinning the deer's head off, it's hard

1367
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:49,720
Speaker 1: to skin around the base of the antler. Is that

1368
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 1: getting this? Oh yeah, I mean it's chuck, no big deal.

1369
01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:56,280
Speaker 1: So when you're skinning at the pedestal, Yeah, when you're

1370
01:20:56,280 --> 01:20:58,720
Speaker 1: skinning around the pedestals, it's a bastard. I used to

1371
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:04,960
Speaker 1: take a multitool screw driver and prior it off there.

1372
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:08,559
Speaker 1: But on that now I used to Now, like my

1373
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:11,800
Speaker 1: skin and knife, I used like a really and I

1374
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:14,519
Speaker 1: see you like you use use a version of this too,

1375
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 1: a really like stout short blade that hidden Canyon bench

1376
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:23,880
Speaker 1: made is like my new favorite knife. He might like

1377
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 1: a little bit different than short. Yeah, you're just like

1378
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:28,800
Speaker 1: a short yeah, like you could stab and do with yours,

1379
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:32,240
Speaker 1: And he'd be like, can that for like a very

1380
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 1: short blade? But it's like knights man, Yeah, and it's stout,

1381
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 1: like you said, yeah, and I got pride, you know,

1382
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 1: ball joints and stuff exactly. It mind's a little bit longer.

1383
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:44,799
Speaker 1: It's called a steep country like. It's got a blaze

1384
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:47,680
Speaker 1: orange handle on it, which helps you because when you

1385
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 1: got deer half time trying to find things. Very time,

1386
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:52,880
Speaker 1: you get a leg free and you go, like take

1387
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:54,120
Speaker 1: care of the leg and hang it at tree eight.

1388
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:56,080
Speaker 1: You come back if everybody looks for your knife for

1389
01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:58,080
Speaker 1: a while. So it like cuts that down a little

1390
01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:00,760
Speaker 1: having a blaze arge handle on it. But with that thing,

1391
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 1: that short, stout, fat stiff blade, I can just smoke

1392
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:09,639
Speaker 1: that hide off those antler bases without ruining the blade.

1393
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:11,920
Speaker 1: And you can still pry a little without worrying about

1394
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:15,920
Speaker 1: like just blowing your edge right off. You can kind

1395
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:18,080
Speaker 1: of like you don't want to like get scraping it

1396
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:20,560
Speaker 1: against But it's just like a more it's a sturdier,

1397
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:26,080
Speaker 1: heartier blade. I like that thing a lot that that's

1398
01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:27,920
Speaker 1: my like kind of like favorite of of of the

1399
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:33,639
Speaker 1: knives they make. But then cut his tongue out skinned him.

1400
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 1: You got back. We popped the eyeballs I had popped

1401
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:41,200
Speaker 1: one eyeball, popped a second eyeball. Um, yeah, popped the

1402
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:44,920
Speaker 1: lower draw. I told you about the Sika deer I killed.

1403
01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:47,839
Speaker 1: It was missing. An eye got poked by an antler,

1404
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 1: and Brody asked the same question everyone asked, was his

1405
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:55,080
Speaker 1: Was his dead eye facing you? And I point out no,

1406
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 1: I was dealing with his live eye. I was not

1407
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:04,040
Speaker 1: getting unfair advantage. Um, And that was it for chopping

1408
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 1: that deer up. As we're finally getting done skinning and

1409
01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:10,599
Speaker 1: loading their packs, here comes. It looks like a Western movie.

1410
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, man orange like seven horsemen in a pack

1411
01:23:16,040 --> 01:23:18,920
Speaker 1: string come by. Don't even give me a broidery. The

1412
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:23,160
Speaker 1: time of day one little buck on a saddle, six

1413
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:25,680
Speaker 1: or seven six hunters, Well you had no ship. They

1414
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:28,280
Speaker 1: didn't give you time. Today. You guys are the assholes

1415
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:30,720
Speaker 1: in the middle of the magic meadow at daylight with

1416
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:34,760
Speaker 1: a campfire. But think they were coming through like they

1417
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:36,920
Speaker 1: were coming through like mid morning, and I get the

1418
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 1: feeling they had probably packed camp up early morning, like

1419
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:45,120
Speaker 1: they were way like they were. One of my theorious, well,

1420
01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:47,680
Speaker 1: you're you're gonna say this, go ahead and say what

1421
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:49,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna say. No, I just think they've gotten up

1422
01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 1: for like, I think they're way in past hunting pass

1423
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:55,320
Speaker 1: where we were. No, you know what My theory is,

1424
01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:59,599
Speaker 1: We'll never know. I think they were on the other

1425
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:01,240
Speaker 1: side of the metal. I think they were. No. No,

1426
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:02,880
Speaker 1: I think they're camped up somewhere, and I think maybe

1427
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:04,880
Speaker 1: they packed up and rode down and on the way

1428
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:10,679
Speaker 1: down decided to do a morning hunt. Slow slow roll. Yeah,

1429
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:13,000
Speaker 1: it doesn't totally make sense, but I could you could have.

1430
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:17,479
Speaker 1: I mean there was yeah, seven or eight hunters. I

1431
01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:19,639
Speaker 1: gotta say, though, Man, if they were rocking like full

1432
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:23,360
Speaker 1: canvas wall tents that you had to almost be packing

1433
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:25,679
Speaker 1: all night long to pull that off for the morning,

1434
01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:30,680
Speaker 1: it didn't look like they're geared up like that. When

1435
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 1: you guys were kids that they call all their tents.

1436
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:35,599
Speaker 1: You had wall tens and pup tents, pump tents, I remember, Yeah,

1437
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:41,320
Speaker 1: pup tents for what we called backpack intense. Yeah, dome shaped, Yeah,

1438
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 1: I feel like they were. I feel that they were hunting,

1439
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:50,160
Speaker 1: like yeah, so then we just uh mosey down mosy

1440
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 1: down the mountain with my big old gacket, a couple

1441
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:57,400
Speaker 1: of horse shoes. Yeah, found horse, but you know, yeah,

1442
01:24:57,600 --> 01:24:59,599
Speaker 1: Rody kept the lucky horse. Shoot. No, but you always

1443
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 1: be a point to that horse and be like, I

1444
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 1: tell you who didn't get a buck? Yeah, those guys,

1445
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 1: the guy riding them horses. But dude, I'm on like

1446
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:11,639
Speaker 1: a mule. Your streak you are, is that three years

1447
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:15,960
Speaker 1: in a row. Yeah, I'm just glad because I remember,

1448
01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:19,240
Speaker 1: like before last year, So you killed the big buck

1449
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:22,400
Speaker 1: in Colorado last year, but before that, you're kind of

1450
01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:27,160
Speaker 1: down on Colorado, dude, way out because all I knew

1451
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:31,080
Speaker 1: about was the parts about weird land land ownership and

1452
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:33,120
Speaker 1: tons of mugs. I didn't know about the part about

1453
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 1: big giant bucks everywhere. Now I'm like, Joe Colorado, I'm

1454
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:38,719
Speaker 1: gonna get the Colorado hat. I'm gonna get an orange

1455
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:41,880
Speaker 1: cowboy hat that says of big bold letters like I

1456
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:46,720
Speaker 1: heart Colorado. I'm a Colorado man. Yeah, I don't know.

1457
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:50,200
Speaker 1: I think that you know, some people don't hunt here

1458
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:54,080
Speaker 1: because of the mugs, and that's a you know, like

1459
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:57,160
Speaker 1: it's fair. Yeah. I have friends that are like, look, man, yeah,

1460
01:25:57,200 --> 01:26:00,000
Speaker 1: I know you guys, are you know killing bucks? There

1461
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:02,320
Speaker 1: of people do. I just don't want to deal with

1462
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:06,000
Speaker 1: that stress of hunting big bucks during an open elk season.

1463
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 1: And I mean to be fair. Like the night you

1464
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:12,840
Speaker 1: killed the buck, you didn't see a soul, you know,

1465
01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:15,960
Speaker 1: that's the thing. Yeah, it was like I was. It

1466
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:18,160
Speaker 1: was like I'd flown into It's like I've flown in

1467
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:20,360
Speaker 1: Alaska and last year we didn't have a bunch of

1468
01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:22,559
Speaker 1: dudes on top of us. Like if you walk here,

1469
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:25,800
Speaker 1: you had because you got a lot of hidie holes. Yeah,

1470
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:28,679
Speaker 1: but here's the thing. I hunt all kinds of places.

1471
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:32,559
Speaker 1: I hunt places where you couldn't find someone if you

1472
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 1: had to write. Okay, So like we hunt areas in

1473
01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:37,640
Speaker 1: Alaska where you fly in and the pilot drops you

1474
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 1: off and if you needed to find help you can't,

1475
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:42,439
Speaker 1: or even Prince of Wales, you're not gonna see anybody there,

1476
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:45,639
Speaker 1: you know. And I hunt places where it's tons of mugs,

1477
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:47,759
Speaker 1: but they can't they're not really mess with you because

1478
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:50,400
Speaker 1: you're like you're on Doug's farm and and you know,

1479
01:26:50,439 --> 01:26:52,120
Speaker 1: all the neighbors and they're all hunting, but it's like

1480
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:53,880
Speaker 1: it's civic, you know, and you kind of like you

1481
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:57,519
Speaker 1: got like you tell dog like I want to go there,

1482
01:26:57,560 --> 01:26:59,040
Speaker 1: and dogs like what, I think you should go there?

1483
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:01,400
Speaker 1: And then you go there and you know that you

1484
01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:03,720
Speaker 1: have your little spot right and if you stay in

1485
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:06,679
Speaker 1: your spot, you're fine. There's people around, so there's there's

1486
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:09,439
Speaker 1: all these extremes. This is just another Yeah, it's just

1487
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:12,880
Speaker 1: a version. Like hunting comes in many forms, and hunting

1488
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:16,160
Speaker 1: pressure comes to maybe just like another kind of hunting pressure.

1489
01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:19,360
Speaker 1: And I think here it's you know a large part

1490
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:22,519
Speaker 1: of it is being able to buy over the counter

1491
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 1: bull tags. In second and third season, like there's just

1492
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:28,600
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of especially non resident hunters that

1493
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:31,760
Speaker 1: are coming just you know, it's easy for them to

1494
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:34,400
Speaker 1: get attacked. Yeah, So if it was that if you're

1495
01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:37,320
Speaker 1: hunting elk, you have to have on orange cowboy hat.

1496
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:40,080
Speaker 1: I think they should wear yellow and we should wear orange,

1497
01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 1: just so you know something. But I don't tell you, man,

1498
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:45,479
Speaker 1: I'm fired up. What do you do if you have both?

1499
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:47,080
Speaker 1: Like I had to roll in a lot of times

1500
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:52,439
Speaker 1: with the o TC bull tag and my cowboy hat

1501
01:27:52,479 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 1: with a yellow stripe tight around the hat band. Maybe

1502
01:27:56,160 --> 01:27:58,439
Speaker 1: it'll be all feather. If you want to see my

1503
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:01,960
Speaker 1: huge buck, um, we'll put it up on the show. Notes.

1504
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 1: Lots of meat on a buck like that, Yeah, a

1505
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 1: big meat buck. Big. That's what we're talking about today

1506
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:12,559
Speaker 1: because someone's like, oh, you know, it's terrible the bigger

1507
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:14,840
Speaker 1: the antlers, the more than meat, because it's terrible that

1508
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 1: you go out and try to find a big, huge

1509
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:18,400
Speaker 1: buck when it's all about the meat. But we were

1510
01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:21,360
Speaker 1: observing today that um, the best play itself. He's got

1511
01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:23,200
Speaker 1: a ton of meat is to look for big, huge antlers,

1512
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:26,800
Speaker 1: dark one with extra bling, because then you know that

1513
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 1: he's gonna be the size of a cow elk. Yeah,

1514
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:32,320
Speaker 1: I mean three pounds easily. So if I see a

1515
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:36,200
Speaker 1: big frame with lots of little stickers sticking out, I'm like,

1516
01:28:36,280 --> 01:28:38,920
Speaker 1: that is one meat rest and that's a big backstrap

1517
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:42,920
Speaker 1: and a fatty ham big package. And for those of

1518
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:45,280
Speaker 1: you out there saying that we don't know what we're

1519
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:49,519
Speaker 1: talking about, low stinky, old ruddy bucks can't be eating.

1520
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:51,600
Speaker 1: You gotta grind the whole thing, or if that's what

1521
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:55,120
Speaker 1: someone told you, all I can say is learn how

1522
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:57,760
Speaker 1: to cook, you learn how to take care of your meat.

1523
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:02,080
Speaker 1: We Pepsi challenged last year. We Pepsi challenged a year

1524
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:04,000
Speaker 1: and a half old meat buck or the big buck.

1525
01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:09,920
Speaker 1: It's like, it's such if you get a buck, but

1526
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:12,160
Speaker 1: I think not only that, but you could Pepsi challenge

1527
01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:15,559
Speaker 1: it with an elk or a white tail or whatever.

1528
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:21,360
Speaker 1: This whole like SG freaking out. Yeah, if you take

1529
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:23,360
Speaker 1: that buck. When you're stripping the hide off that buck

1530
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:25,160
Speaker 1: and you finally he's got an inch of fat laid

1531
01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:27,640
Speaker 1: out over his un it's like that deer's in good

1532
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:29,920
Speaker 1: shape and it's gonna be good. Meat is the best meat.

1533
01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:34,880
Speaker 1: My wife rarely will flag meat. I could cook like

1534
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:38,439
Speaker 1: played out housecat. My wife's not gonna like flag it.

1535
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:43,240
Speaker 1: She has flagged. Moose is being like something's peculiar, like

1536
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:46,160
Speaker 1: it's something about moose she doesn't like. Every time I

1537
01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:48,519
Speaker 1: served like big huge meat with the buck meat to her,

1538
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:51,800
Speaker 1: she'll comment. She doesn't comment at all. She just eats

1539
01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:54,600
Speaker 1: whatever we make. She'll comment on moose is being like

1540
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:57,679
Speaker 1: something's weird about it. Doesn't like click with her. When

1541
01:29:57,680 --> 01:30:00,760
Speaker 1: I cook like big old buck meat, my boy, so

1542
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:03,240
Speaker 1: I was like, God's good. Yeah, it's just freaking good.

1543
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:07,040
Speaker 1: But and I've shot bull elk and like mid November

1544
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:11,519
Speaker 1: and had him like there's just something a little you know,

1545
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:14,280
Speaker 1: a little tough, a little off about them that time

1546
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:17,559
Speaker 1: of year. So it's you know, and elks arguably the best.

1547
01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:20,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think, yeah, elk has that reputation to

1548
01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:23,280
Speaker 1: being the best. And they don't make a bad tasting elk.

1549
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:26,840
Speaker 1: You can get tough elk, but there's no bad tasting elk.

1550
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:31,080
Speaker 1: I had a buck, the worst piece of wild meat

1551
01:30:31,120 --> 01:30:38,120
Speaker 1: I ever ate, was from amuly buck. But circumstances, circumstances,

1552
01:30:39,040 --> 01:30:41,799
Speaker 1: he slid down the mountain on the snow and landed

1553
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:45,120
Speaker 1: in the sinkhole and boiled in the sinkhole. It couldn't

1554
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:48,200
Speaker 1: get him out of the sink whole until way later

1555
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:51,040
Speaker 1: got him out of the sinkhole, and he was in

1556
01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:56,519
Speaker 1: like like very insulated in a little dirt, coughing at

1557
01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:59,479
Speaker 1: the bottom of a you know, maybe he was alive

1558
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:01,880
Speaker 1: when he went into the same Yes, I know that

1559
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:06,920
Speaker 1: he was. And here's what happened. So it was like

1560
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:09,160
Speaker 1: unbelievably cold. I shot a buck. He slid down the

1561
01:31:09,160 --> 01:31:10,519
Speaker 1: mountain and I order to try to find him. I

1562
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:12,600
Speaker 1: can't find him anywhere. They was like a size that

1563
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:14,479
Speaker 1: he fell into a sinkhole the size of a man

1564
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:17,920
Speaker 1: hole cover. It was kind of hour glass shaped, and

1565
01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:19,960
Speaker 1: I could see down in there. I could see that

1566
01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 1: he was moving a little bit, and so I blouched

1567
01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:25,280
Speaker 1: down in there in the shock wave of the sound

1568
01:31:25,320 --> 01:31:26,800
Speaker 1: came back and hit my ears to bead, And now

1569
01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:30,439
Speaker 1: my ears are freaking ringing. Man, and we're camped down

1570
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:35,840
Speaker 1: valley from there, and now it's pitch black. I think

1571
01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:38,920
Speaker 1: I got him go down. We come up the next

1572
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:41,280
Speaker 1: day with some ropes and stuff. We peeled off our canoes,

1573
01:31:41,320 --> 01:31:43,280
Speaker 1: like the bow lines of our canoes and tied them together,

1574
01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:45,240
Speaker 1: and my buddy held my ankles and lowered me down

1575
01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:48,000
Speaker 1: into the sinkhole, and I was able to get a

1576
01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:50,960
Speaker 1: lasso around his antler, and then we all got on

1577
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:52,720
Speaker 1: the rope and dragged the deer up out of the

1578
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:56,320
Speaker 1: hole and drug up. What it looked like if you

1579
01:31:56,439 --> 01:32:01,960
Speaker 1: had it looked like if you pulled Bob Hope up

1580
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:04,280
Speaker 1: in his latest two years like this. It was like

1581
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:11,320
Speaker 1: just but like frail, and his muzzle was just gray, gray, gray,

1582
01:32:11,400 --> 01:32:12,800
Speaker 1: and he had the rack when you know, you get

1583
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:14,800
Speaker 1: a big rack and then you rack shrinks and it's

1584
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:18,080
Speaker 1: like different than a like a rack. A deer's antlers

1585
01:32:18,120 --> 01:32:20,600
Speaker 1: on his way downhill in life are different than on

1586
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:23,840
Speaker 1: his way uphill. So he could be at the same man,

1587
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:26,000
Speaker 1: he could be at the same measurements, but just there's

1588
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:30,719
Speaker 1: a different quality like softer, like they like softer edges.

1589
01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:33,880
Speaker 1: It's like a different like his like his. He was

1590
01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:36,360
Speaker 1: getting too old. He was still throwing racks off, but

1591
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:42,799
Speaker 1: they were like bad old man racks emaciated and gray muzzled.

1592
01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:47,280
Speaker 1: So he was old and he'd been in the same

1593
01:32:47,320 --> 01:32:51,400
Speaker 1: hole all night, insulated with his guts in him. When

1594
01:32:51,439 --> 01:32:53,960
Speaker 1: we started butchering a deer, I mean, my brother butcher

1595
01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:57,840
Speaker 1: that deer, and it's the meat smelled bad, and then

1596
01:32:57,880 --> 01:32:59,400
Speaker 1: we started to think that it was getting in our

1597
01:32:59,439 --> 01:33:02,280
Speaker 1: heads and it wasn't the meat, but it was just

1598
01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:06,640
Speaker 1: like like other that what that the flavor is, just

1599
01:33:06,680 --> 01:33:08,519
Speaker 1: like something about the smell of the meat was MASSI

1600
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:11,280
Speaker 1: I remember it got so bad at one point that

1601
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:13,439
Speaker 1: we got we couldn't tell if we're like really smelling

1602
01:33:13,439 --> 01:33:15,360
Speaker 1: it or not. And we thought that everything to smell

1603
01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:18,320
Speaker 1: and couldn't tell like actual part what cuts actually smelled.

1604
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:20,639
Speaker 1: It got to the point we were heating up butter

1605
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:25,080
Speaker 1: in a pan, and one of us went outside to

1606
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:28,599
Speaker 1: wait outside in fresh air. The other one of us

1607
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:33,080
Speaker 1: cooked a piece of backstrap in a pan in butter,

1608
01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:37,240
Speaker 1: floated it in butter, cooked it, and took it to

1609
01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:40,040
Speaker 1: the outside. Person who has now been in a clean atmosphere.

1610
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:43,880
Speaker 1: That person would eat that buck met and be like

1611
01:33:43,960 --> 01:33:49,840
Speaker 1: that buck meat is bad. Yeah, the only way this

1612
01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:52,360
Speaker 1: buck was in good shape. No, that was the only

1613
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:54,960
Speaker 1: bad buck meat I've encountered happen to come off a

1614
01:33:55,040 --> 01:33:58,800
Speaker 1: mule there under extreme circumstances. So yes, if you shoot

1615
01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:02,600
Speaker 1: a buck and then let rotting the back of your truck, yeah,

1616
01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:05,280
Speaker 1: and then say that mule to your taste like x

1617
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:07,360
Speaker 1: Y or z ok, you don't got it for you know,

1618
01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:10,360
Speaker 1: a couple of extra few hours because pictures are more important,

1619
01:34:10,479 --> 01:34:12,720
Speaker 1: you know. Cripple it up so it's been driving into

1620
01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:15,719
Speaker 1: a spot where you can get a good picture. Cripple

1621
01:34:15,720 --> 01:34:18,760
Speaker 1: it up so it like runs forty five minutes before

1622
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:22,799
Speaker 1: you find it. Then dink around, don't get the guts

1623
01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:24,559
Speaker 1: of it. Drive it somewhere else to take a nice

1624
01:34:24,600 --> 01:34:29,920
Speaker 1: picture of it. Hot sun. Sure, I'm gonna have to

1625
01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:34,080
Speaker 1: grind it all into sausage all right. Thanks for joining,