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Speaker 1: Hey Everybody, Episode seven sixteen. Welcome back to Drama Queens.
Speaker 1: You've got me and Rob today. This one is My
Speaker 1: attendance is bad, but my intentions are good. Air date
Speaker 1: February eighth, twenty ten. Hey you doing, Rob?
Speaker 4: Hey Joy? How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm pretty good. I'm pretty good. I'm in good spirits.
Speaker 1: How are you?
Speaker 4: I'm well? Although I feel like we should open the
Speaker 4: episode with a public service announcement to our listeners. Yes,
Speaker 4: I heard your cries in the comment sections of every
Speaker 4: single social media post, friends, and I apologize on behalf
Speaker 4: of all three of us. Julian's mom is not deceased?
Speaker 4: Are dad? We forgot in the moment, we got caught up,
Speaker 4: and shame on us. We own it. We apologize. Thank
Speaker 4: you for correcting us. Multiple multiple times.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, wait, I didn't know this happened. I
Speaker 1: missed this episode. Y'all forgot Sharon Lawrence came.
Speaker 4: I think we did it twice. Man, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 4: two separate episodes, at least one, because like the comment
Speaker 4: section was just a flood of like, she's alive and.
Speaker 1: Listen in your defense, there was a lot of confusion
Speaker 1: about parents alive, dad, who came in, who was talked about,
Speaker 1: who actually showed up. I was even confused about Bess
Speaker 1: Armstrong in this episode talking about Haley's dad who had
Speaker 1: passed away, and I was like, when did Hailey's dad die?
Speaker 1: I totally forgot that Huey Lewis had done. I mean, well,
Speaker 1: you know who played Haley's dad had passed away?
Speaker 3: Wait?
Speaker 4: What Huey Lewis played your dad?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 4: Wait, you didn't know this? No, are you kidding me?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Oh, Rob, I know. I wish you'd been a part
Speaker 1: of the show. And he came to the show. It
Speaker 1: was really fun. We were all a little starstruck.
Speaker 4: That's incredible. Oh my gosh, mister Huey Lewis and the
Speaker 4: news himself, that's so cool. I wanted to ask you
Speaker 4: because obviously this was my first time and I remember
Speaker 4: meeting her and Bess was so lovely, the actress who
Speaker 4: plays Lydia. But was she prominent in seasons one through six?
Speaker 1: No, she had come back. I think she had appeared
Speaker 1: two or three times. There was meeting Haley's family, Nathan
Speaker 1: met Haley's family, and then there was the wedding, one
Speaker 1: of the weddings, which might have been the same episode,
Speaker 1: but I feel like it wasn't. And then I feel
Speaker 1: like maybe there was a thanksgiving that Huey Lewis wasn't
Speaker 1: there for by.
Speaker 4: The way, I love that it's always Huey Lewis. It's
Speaker 4: never Hugh, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But then I guess I don't know if he
Speaker 1: wasn't available or if they just didn't want to pay
Speaker 1: anybody else because for whatever reason, but he didn't come
Speaker 1: back for this one, and I was so confused that
Speaker 1: they just said, yeah, he passed away. I'm like, we
Speaker 1: missed an entire storyline of Haley and Quinn losing their dad.
Speaker 1: Did am I wrong? Like chi him in our producers.
Speaker 1: Hannah is on the call now. Of course, so Hannah,
Speaker 1: if I'm missing it, to let us know. But no,
Speaker 1: she says, I don't think they said it on the show, right,
Speaker 1: so we just bypassed it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can guarantee you that Quinn never more in
Speaker 4: her dad's passing, because Quinn showed up when Clay showed up,
Speaker 4: and that never happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4: Unless you did it on your own.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. No, we just pretend skated right by that. Nevertheless, Okay,
Speaker 1: Brooke and Julian try and find a balance between their
Speaker 1: personal lives and work. As the movie shoot begins. Nathan
Speaker 1: and Haley receive a surprise visit Bess Armstrong playing Lydia,
Speaker 1: and Clay supports Quinn as she faces some unexpected news.
Speaker 1: Alex sets her sights on Alexander, and Millicent finds herself
Speaker 1: struggling with temptation.
Speaker 4: This was directed by Jessica Landlaw and written by Nicki Scheffelwan.
Speaker 4: I thought the episode opened so much fun. That kitchen
Speaker 4: scene that starts off with Taylor and Quinn and yeah,
Speaker 4: you come into it, and then Jamie and Nathan. It's
Speaker 4: the sibling just rivalry and the bickering. It's pretty all
Speaker 4: time when the three of you are in the same room.
Speaker 1: That was really fun. It was a dynamic that I
Speaker 1: didn't know I needed until I saw it, and that
Speaker 1: combined with the soundtrack whoever that must have been a
Speaker 1: Lindsay Wolfington pick. I don't know what that song was,
Speaker 1: but it was really fun. There was a lot of
Speaker 1: energy at the beginning. I always wanted that in my
Speaker 1: house growing up. I never got it, all of that,
Speaker 1: like sibling energy.
Speaker 4: Now me know of Taylor what I've seen of late,
Speaker 4: like this season, which don't get me wrong, has been horrendous.
Speaker 4: But has she always been this bad? I'm asking this
Speaker 4: to this end. You all rag on her mercilessly?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Is it deserved? Like? Have we shown she's just straight
Speaker 4: offul all the time?
Speaker 1: There has not been. I don't think there's been an
Speaker 1: episode with Taylor where she hasn't been causing trouble. I mean,
Speaker 1: she blew into town explaining that she took Nathan's virginity, right,
Speaker 1: I think she took his virginity and then right. I
Speaker 1: don't know if there was another time or if she
Speaker 1: I feel like there was since she came in. You're
Speaker 1: talking to somebody who's I've got the best short term memory,
Speaker 1: and my long term memory is I have a challenge
Speaker 1: with that, especially with this show. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like she just came in that one time.
Speaker 1: But yeah, this is very bad behavior. But I love
Speaker 1: Lindsay McKeon. She is a firecracker, Like she really is
Speaker 1: a firework coming into every scene that she's in, and
Speaker 1: especially in this episode. I'm trying to find the note
Speaker 1: that I wrote about that in this episode when you
Speaker 1: everyone else is being so contained, everybody's hiding something under
Speaker 1: the surface, and she is just everything is outside of
Speaker 1: her body. She's exploding off the screen. I just always
Speaker 1: want the camera to stay on her longer, even though
Speaker 1: she's causing trouble. I love watching her.
Speaker 4: She kind of has a bit of a Dan Scott
Speaker 4: vibe and Matt when she comes on the screen, I
Speaker 4: kind of lean in, Yeah, what are you about to
Speaker 4: get into? Yeah, because she is she's kind of a
Speaker 4: wild card, you know, you never know, and she plays
Speaker 4: it so well that character could have been far less
Speaker 4: interesting in the hands of a lesser actor.
Speaker 1: Yep, I totally agree, you.
Speaker 4: Know, but she's she's fun, man, and because she just
Speaker 4: like y'all are vinegar and she's baking soda. She's just
Speaker 4: there to make things explode. She can't help her.
Speaker 1: So that's it. That's it, she and she really that's
Speaker 1: I agree with you that in the hands of a
Speaker 1: lesser actor it could have been very sort of I
Speaker 1: don't know, mechanical is the right word, but very one dimensional,
Speaker 1: just like show up, make the poudy face and do
Speaker 1: the troublemaking thing. But she has this deep layer of need,
Speaker 1: like the need for attention, need for love for whatever happened,
Speaker 1: and that all of the bitterness and like jealousy of
Speaker 1: her sisters and all she's like carrying all of it.
Speaker 1: It's so interesting to watch.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this character could have been like every bolly in
Speaker 4: a nineteen eighties movie totally yeah, where you're like, oh yeah,
Speaker 4: you have one speed, it's mean and there is nothing
Speaker 4: else going on. Yeah, Like that could have been her,
Speaker 4: like I'm hot and I do what I want. Be like, eh, okay,
Speaker 4: after two scenes, he'd be like, we've seen it all.
Speaker 1: We're good, right right next please? Yeah, the look on
Speaker 1: her face, I mean, I don't know how much we
Speaker 1: want to jump around. But when Lydia shares the news
Speaker 1: that she's sick with the girls, the look on Lindsay's face,
Speaker 1: the way she did that was it broke my heart
Speaker 1: out of everything. Like me and Quinn were kind of
Speaker 1: just shocked, and she was immediately so angry and hurt.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And what I liked about that was that all
Speaker 4: three of your actions, all of those different reactions to
Speaker 4: that news and that grief. I feel like anyone who's
Speaker 4: gone through grief has been all three of those. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Like all of it was relatable, even though the even
Speaker 4: though the initial reaction was so extreme, especially in the
Speaker 4: case of Taylor. You know, I feel like everyone can
Speaker 4: kind of react to the way all three of you
Speaker 4: responded to that, Yeah, whereas I feel like you and
Speaker 4: or excuse me, Haley and Quinn responded.
Speaker 1: Taylor reacted, yes, as Taylor always does. It was very
Speaker 1: true to her.
Speaker 4: But going back to that opening scene, I love how
Speaker 4: Nathan and Jamie they just know what's about to happen
Speaker 4: and they just quietly dip out and they go to
Speaker 4: Clay's because they know Clay has all the good cereals,
Speaker 4: which made me laugh because I always had the best
Speaker 4: snack collection in my apartment in Wilmington, Like that was
Speaker 4: my thing. I had a giant candy bowl. I found
Speaker 4: out what everyone's favorite candies were I had it stocked.
Speaker 4: So I wondered because by this point we're sixteen episodes in,
Speaker 4: a lot of people have visited Wilmington. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: I wonder if by this point they're starting to write
Speaker 4: in little parts of Clay that are just rob Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense. I love that. I did really
Speaker 1: enjoy that because I don't think that's ever happened. For first,
Speaker 1: I was like, I didn't know you guys lived. I
Speaker 1: don't know Clay lived that close to Nathan and Haley
Speaker 1: that they were just like, just get in the car,
Speaker 1: we'll go to Clay's. But yeah, everybody piling into just
Speaker 1: eat cereal at Clay's house, like leaving an entire house
Speaker 1: just to avoid one person. Everyone leaves.
Speaker 4: And the fact that she catches you guys, that she
Speaker 4: shows up too.
Speaker 1: How does she even know where Clay lives? Has she
Speaker 1: been there yet?
Speaker 4: No? Of course not. And I started to be like,
Speaker 4: how would she know? And I'm like, just enjoy this.
Speaker 4: She's a funny, dynamic, cool out. But I love that
Speaker 4: Clay has all the good cereals because to me, it
Speaker 4: says two things. Clay has been a bachelor for a
Speaker 4: very long time. Yep, and Clay is still a child
Speaker 4: at heart.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 4: I just picture Clay on his like his day off
Speaker 4: is just like doing that thing where you pour like
Speaker 4: a little bit of every cereal into a giant bowl
Speaker 4: and just sits down in front of the TV. You know,
Speaker 4: it feels very clay that.
Speaker 1: That's a great point. I think that's one of the
Speaker 1: reasons why Clay and Quinn really connect, right because she's
Speaker 1: so she's she's the oldest, She's had to take care
Speaker 1: of so many things, she's had to be responsible. She
Speaker 1: probably got married young too and has been just being
Speaker 1: the responsible one. And to connect with a guy who
Speaker 1: is he's been through enough to experience to have real
Speaker 1: depth and real maturity. But there is a playfulness and
Speaker 1: a youthfulness at heart that gives her a permission to
Speaker 1: play and let that part of her personality out. I
Speaker 1: really like that about you, guys. Dynamic.
Speaker 4: Wait, Quinn is the Quinn eldest. Yeah, that's so interesting
Speaker 4: because I wasn't quite certain, and then watching this episode,
Speaker 4: I just assumed you were the eldest by the way
Speaker 4: that Lydia kind of calls upon you to be the lynchpin,
Speaker 4: to be the strong one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know why Haley was sort of I
Speaker 1: think in her family she might have been the middle.
Speaker 1: I think was Taylor younger than Hayley.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying that she thinks Taylor's the eldest.
Speaker 1: Oh. Interesting, I know Quinn is older than Hailey. For sure.
Speaker 1: I could absolutely be wrong about Taylor being the oldest
Speaker 1: one in the whole fit. Yeah, fans, you guys, have
Speaker 1: you guys know this stuff? You got to you gotta
Speaker 1: tell us because this one slipped through the cracks for me.
Speaker 4: Politely inform us in the comments. Second, I don't think
Speaker 4: it anymore. We're owning. Okay, it's Taylor's the eldest, then Quinn,
Speaker 4: then Haley. Okay, Taylor then.
Speaker 1: Quin then Haley. Okay, Okay.
Speaker 4: Lots it down.
Speaker 1: So weird though, because what how does that work? Usually
Speaker 1: the oldest one is the one who is so responsible complain,
Speaker 1: And it's interesting that Taylor is just so angsty.
Speaker 4: I think there's also something to be said for, Like
Speaker 4: I know, in my family the dynamic was I want
Speaker 4: my brother was sort of the wild child, and I
Speaker 4: watched him always getting grounded and busted, and I and
Speaker 4: I just sort of went I'm going to do the
Speaker 4: opposite of that, and so I just became the kid
Speaker 4: who worked hard in school. I followed the rules. I
Speaker 4: kept my head down. So if Taylor was the train wreck,
Speaker 4: it kind of tracks that, yes, that the next two
Speaker 4: would be like, let's not let's not do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that that does make sense.
Speaker 4: But it is funny that the baby is like literally
Speaker 4: the only one who has you know, her ducks in
Speaker 4: a row.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's funny. You think the Quinn would have been
Speaker 1: the one that went the complete opposite direction. Maybe she
Speaker 1: did in her own way.
Speaker 4: To be fair, she was on that trajectory. Yeah, she
Speaker 4: was happily married. They were probably thinking they were going
Speaker 4: that direction, and then he wanted that stupid entertainment room
Speaker 4: and ruined everything, ruined everything. You blew it, David.
Speaker 1: I think Hailey's got a good mix of both of
Speaker 1: them in there, because I don't see a lot of
Speaker 1: angst in Quinn. I see a lot of like eagerness
Speaker 1: and wanting just wanting things to be okay and make
Speaker 1: everything right. And I think Hailey's got a good mix
Speaker 1: of just responsibility and also I feel like she's constantly
Speaker 1: bursting with frustration like everything's fine, Everything's fine, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I won't everybody just be cool?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it kind of tracks because it does feel like
Speaker 4: Hailey's got flashes of both Quinn and Taylor to her. Yeah,
Speaker 4: she has a hot streak she can access. We've seen
Speaker 4: you slap the pretty off of multiple people. But you're
Speaker 4: also you know, level headed in earnest and a thinker.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But I like this dynamic between Clay and Quinn.
Speaker 1: I think it's a really good match. It's fun to
Speaker 1: watch you, guys, and it was really fun to watch
Speaker 1: you with Bess Armstrong in this episode. Who guys, we
Speaker 1: got so lucky with Bess Armstrong. Yes, the mos I
Speaker 1: mean we were so excited when we first heard that
Speaker 1: she was cast as Hailey's mom, because she's she's Claire
Speaker 1: Danes's mom from My so called Life, and she's had
Speaker 1: this incredibly illustrious, long career in Hollywood and the fact
Speaker 1: that she would come on our show and play with
Speaker 1: us and just interact with us and show up not
Speaker 1: just on set, but she actually really invested and stayed
Speaker 1: in touch and went out and had coffees with us
Speaker 1: and cared. She was really like a mom to us
Speaker 1: in many ways, as much as you can be with
Speaker 1: all the moving around in this industry, but she consistently
Speaker 1: has showed up and stayed in touch, and it's amazing.
Speaker 1: We got really lucky with her.
Speaker 4: I remember the first word I think it went, and
Speaker 4: I thought, oh, yeah, I remember this, and I vaguely,
Speaker 4: very vaguely recalled us shooting that scene on the on
Speaker 4: the stairs. But the first word is warm. She was
Speaker 4: very warm, like very There was like no ego, she
Speaker 4: was very accessible, like you said, she was interested in
Speaker 4: other people. She was terrific. And then she just does
Speaker 4: such a good job with the storyline. But yeah, I
Speaker 4: loved that scene with Clay and Lydia on the stairs
Speaker 4: talking about grief.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it felt really meaningful to bring those two together
Speaker 1: in a way that I just wasn't. I wasn't expecting
Speaker 1: that scene. I forgot that that scene existed. The fact
Speaker 1: that she comes into town. You know, obviously she's got
Speaker 1: this news that she's dying and she comes in and
Speaker 1: what really struck me about the conversation with Clay is
Speaker 1: that here's someone she doesn't know. I mean, she's obviously
Speaker 1: he's her daughter's love, and this is someone that she
Speaker 1: wants to invest in before she passes. But there's usually
Speaker 1: a dance of niceties. There's you know, it takes time
Speaker 1: to get to know someone and drop into these really
Speaker 1: deep places. And I imagine when you know your time
Speaker 1: on this earth is limited, so much of those things
Speaker 1: just you just push to the side all of the
Speaker 1: formalities and you just dive right in. And I thought
Speaker 1: it was so interesting that she was willing to just
Speaker 1: come in and start saying all the uncomfortable things and
Speaker 1: making grand gestures like buying the the uh sorry, renting
Speaker 1: the space for Quinn, and it just don't It made
Speaker 1: me think about that in life, like how often we
Speaker 1: how much time we spend doing all the nice formality,
Speaker 1: and how interesting it would be to just drop in.
Speaker 4: It reminded me of how you know, when you become
Speaker 4: a parent and all of a sudden, ninety five percent
Speaker 4: of your free time is gone, and it kind of
Speaker 4: forces you to look at all of the relationships in
Speaker 4: your life and just sort of go, I have time
Speaker 4: to nurture three of these, like what are the most
Speaker 4: important three? Yeah, you know, and not even that you
Speaker 4: have to like weed out people, but you just sort
Speaker 4: of look at the ones that are just kind of
Speaker 4: taking up space first. The ones that are actually meaningful
Speaker 4: kind of helps you become more efficient with your time
Speaker 4: because you're like, this small group is actually these are
Speaker 4: the plants I'm going to water. Yeah, other stuff doesn't matter.
Speaker 4: I wonder if it's the same in that situation where
Speaker 4: it's like I'm running out of time. So it's very
Speaker 4: clear what I want to do with it. I want
Speaker 4: to be with my girls.
Speaker 1: Yeah, be really beautiful.
Speaker 4: A clarity that comes with it. But before we get
Speaker 4: to Lydia's arrival, let's jump to Brooke and Julian's movie. Well,
Speaker 4: excuse Meulian's movie, but that Brook is working on.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because there was a lot of fun stuff with
Speaker 4: an this episode. I liked how it kind of opened
Speaker 4: with them using the movie as kind of a metaphor
Speaker 4: for their relationship.
Speaker 1: Okay, oh yeah in his office.
Speaker 4: Yeah it was. Yeah, it was cute to see them
Speaker 4: sort of talking to each other and about their situation
Speaker 4: through the movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was sweet.
Speaker 4: And then there was some great stuff. First of all,
Speaker 4: Julian is the kind of director I'd love to have
Speaker 4: on all my projects.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so invested, so present, so sensitive, could.
Speaker 4: You imagine getting sixteen takes without the director getting sassy
Speaker 4: with you Nope, and then coming up and reading with
Speaker 4: you off camera like that, I just come on so good.
Speaker 1: He is so good. And the patients because when Alexander
Speaker 1: walked in and he's like, nice shot, Hitchcock, what is that?
Speaker 1: That's a not psycho vertigo? Right? Like, can you imagine
Speaker 1: a costume designer, like, and he's not even a code
Speaker 1: design Brook is a designer. He's working for Brooke walking
Speaker 1: on set and commenting on the direction that the director
Speaker 1: is giving the cameraman out loud in front of everyone.
Speaker 1: He would never walk on that set again.
Speaker 4: Oh he wired tossed a grenade into the mix and
Speaker 4: then walked off like that was emotional terrorism. Could you
Speaker 4: imagine your first day of shoot or like, I don't
Speaker 4: know where they are in their schedule, but he's time directory. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and the guy who's already a threat to your love
Speaker 4: life comes in and just hits you below the belt
Speaker 4: like that terrible.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: But I also loved that Nathan shows up to set
Speaker 4: and he he makes a Shrek too, He quotes Shrek
Speaker 4: and I love but I love the reversal of where
Speaker 4: they were at the camping trip versus this, because it
Speaker 4: was the roles were flipped where Nathan was trying to
Speaker 4: do the bit and Julian just goes Shrek really and
Speaker 4: walks away. I was like, good for you, Julian, give
Speaker 4: him some guffs. He deserves it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, although I don't know why he gives
Speaker 1: it to Nathan and not to Alexander. Con My jaw
Speaker 1: was on the floor.
Speaker 4: It was misguided.
Speaker 1: I did like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they did be more choice words.
Speaker 1: I thought this. First of all, Jana Kramer is such
Speaker 1: a wonderful actress. It really is so nice to watch
Speaker 1: her on camera. She's another one like Lindsay McKeon, where
Speaker 1: there was there's just always so much more going on
Speaker 1: underneath the surface, And while all the rest of our
Speaker 1: characters were reacting or holding something in, these two were
Speaker 1: really propelling things forward just in there in two different ways.
Speaker 1: I mean, Lindsay was just exploding, and I felt like
Speaker 1: Janna's character alex like we've seen her be soft in
Speaker 1: a manipulative way, but this felt like it was an
Speaker 1: authentic personal journey for her that I was leaning into.
Speaker 1: I was doing the same thing that you were saying before.
Speaker 1: I was like, it brought me in to her in
Speaker 1: her turmoal because she was just wearing everything on her sleeve.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and this is the storyline I wanted to see
Speaker 4: for Jana. Yeah, not for Alex, because I know Jana's
Speaker 4: is good and she's very talented that I wanted to
Speaker 4: see her go to this level. I mean that scene
Speaker 4: where Julian talks her through and she just pulls it out.
Speaker 4: What's so funny is like, that's not easy to do, right,
Speaker 4: And what's so funny is it's so meta, right because
Speaker 4: they're shooting a fake movie, but she's actually acting and
Speaker 4: had to do the same thing for our show. Yeah. So,
Speaker 4: and it's like people don't get It's like oftentimes people
Speaker 4: have to step away, listen to music, whatever your process is.
Speaker 4: So I'm always impressed when someone can just on action boom,
Speaker 4: drop it and go. And she killed it.
Speaker 1: She really did. What is your process when you have
Speaker 1: to do that stuff? Rob? I know you talked about
Speaker 1: before where you used to have to stay in character
Speaker 1: all day and it was really brutal for you. Do
Speaker 1: you still feel like you have to do that or
Speaker 1: have you found a different method?
Speaker 4: No, I don't do that anymore.
Speaker 1: That was no emotional acting. You don't do that anymore.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. It's either eyebrows or laughter. Those are the
Speaker 4: two things I do. It's two speeds. Yep, that's exactly right.
Speaker 4: I'm like the bully from the eighties movie with one
Speaker 4: extra speed, bad attitude, and eyebrows. Now it's just like
Speaker 4: I said, I used to have. It wasn't even like
Speaker 4: staying in character as much as it was like just
Speaker 4: staying in sadness. So it's like whatever kept me in
Speaker 4: that place where I was just wavering on losing it?
Speaker 4: Now now I try to keep it more honest and
Speaker 4: just think about like the reality of what it is,
Speaker 4: you know, and and just sort of go with that.
Speaker 1: So you you feel more connected to your characters now
Speaker 1: in that way, like you can just be who they
Speaker 1: are in the moment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so much of what I do is just
Speaker 4: going how do I think I would react if I
Speaker 4: was in this situation? Yeah, you know, that's a lot
Speaker 4: of what at least it is for me, you know,
Speaker 4: is just trying to find the truth of how would
Speaker 4: this feel, you know, And so to that end, it's
Speaker 4: kind of it. But I don't like having to do crying,
Speaker 4: And whenever I read a script, especially they're like a
Speaker 4: tear rolls down his cheek. I'm like, ugh, don't forecast
Speaker 4: the tear, especially when it's not earned. Like I just
Speaker 4: did something where there was like a beat of joking
Speaker 4: and then there's one line and then I'm supposed to
Speaker 4: be welling up. And I went to the direct ground
Speaker 4: was like, hey, guy, this is a manic turn. What
Speaker 4: do you say? We don't do that? And he was like,
Speaker 4: great idea. That was crazy. You know.
Speaker 1: I wish they would somebody would do an actor's pass
Speaker 1: on scripts, because scripts have to get turned into studios,
Speaker 1: and it's a bunch of executives who are not creative
Speaker 1: and they're not actors, and they have to They need
Speaker 1: the tear rolling down the face in the script so
Speaker 1: that they can sort of watch the movie in their
Speaker 1: mind and understand, like the emotional arc almost has to
Speaker 1: be spelled out for a lot of people who don't
Speaker 1: do what we do and who are up in the
Speaker 1: higher ups in their suits and seats making decisions. But
Speaker 1: wouldn't it be nice if there was somebody who just
Speaker 1: took all of the stage direction out and turned in
Speaker 1: a script too that was basically just dialogue and like
Speaker 1: a couple of basic stage directions.
Speaker 4: That would be incredible. You know, what I would say
Speaker 4: my trick is now is that I let myself off
Speaker 4: the hook.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's there, but you ignore it exactly right.
Speaker 4: I don't feel because that was the problem before, was
Speaker 4: I have to start crying at this point. As soon
Speaker 4: as there's that pressure, I like rarely, if ever met it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so now it's sort of going, I'm just going to
Speaker 4: be as sincere and honest as I can. And if
Speaker 4: that's where it gets, it's earned and it's real and
Speaker 4: it's great. And if not, that's okay.
Speaker 1: Did someone teach you that? Was there a moment when
Speaker 1: someone taught you that? And like the idea of not
Speaker 1: having to stay in sadness but having to but being
Speaker 1: able to just drop into the moment with your character.
Speaker 1: Because it's interesting to start a career with these particular
Speaker 1: habits and then at some point switch over and do
Speaker 1: it differently.
Speaker 4: No, because I didn't train. You know, I sort of
Speaker 4: took one acting class in college and loved it and
Speaker 4: that was enough to get the bug. And then you know,
Speaker 4: I took a couple acting classes when I first got here,
Speaker 4: but I didn't have proper training, which is why like
Speaker 4: I come to one tree not it's the first time
Speaker 4: doing proper sadness and grief I didn't know, which is
Speaker 4: why I was like being wildly inefficient with just how
Speaker 4: hard I was making it on myself.
Speaker 1: Did it just occur to you, like I just want
Speaker 1: to do things differently? Did you hear people talking about
Speaker 1: different ways that they did it, Because that's a that's
Speaker 1: a hard transition, I think when you're so used to
Speaker 1: doing something a certain way and it's your whole job
Speaker 1: to start being like I'm going to try it and
Speaker 1: do it this way instead. Like how long did that
Speaker 1: transition take?
Speaker 4: I see, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 4: On my very first TV show, we had this director,
Speaker 4: David Hogan, and he said to us something effective like
Speaker 4: just make just make sure it's honest. And for some
Speaker 4: reason that's stuck with me and that always was my
Speaker 4: north star. But as soon as I started working like
Speaker 4: bigger stuff, I thought, it needs it needs to be
Speaker 4: a certain way. And I think it was just with
Speaker 4: enough experiencing enough experience, and then just also like listening
Speaker 4: to people I respected, watching people I respected, and going
Speaker 4: it doesn't have to be that way, Like, how about truly?
Speaker 4: So much of it has been getting out of my
Speaker 4: own way and just letting myself off the hook, you know,
Speaker 4: I love it, and not deciding ahead of time what
Speaker 4: it asked to look like and just being like, let's
Speaker 4: just play and see what the moment brings. Yeah, what's
Speaker 4: your process? Because you kill it with that stuff, at
Speaker 4: least on the outside looking in. That's how it appears
Speaker 4: to me.
Speaker 1: Thanks. That took me a while too. I started out
Speaker 1: with a very like I. I would try everything. I
Speaker 1: would try putting myself through physical pain to make myself cry,
Speaker 1: like like poking myself with a pin in my pocket.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of peace, or like trying to you know,
Speaker 1: I've heard of actors it would like pull hair out
Speaker 1: with tweezers, like hairs on their leg out with tweezers
Speaker 1: while they're doing a crying scene. I tried doing the
Speaker 1: same thing you're talking about, like just getting myself into
Speaker 1: a place of deep sadness. I would watch movies like
Speaker 1: I've probably watched the end of Brave Heart like seventeen
Speaker 1: times until it didn't make me cry anymore. I just
Speaker 1: would try all these different things. I think once I
Speaker 1: got comfortable in my real life, it's funny what you
Speaker 1: said about being what you're acting coach once said about
Speaker 1: being honest or was it a director maybe director? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that word is. It's not funny how somebody can just
Speaker 1: say one random thing that's They're just a sentence and
Speaker 1: they're vernacular, and they're moving on with their day and
Speaker 1: they just changed your whole life.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I in my real life, as I
Speaker 1: started to get more and more comfortable with emotion, which
Speaker 1: is something I wasn't really comfortable with as a child
Speaker 1: at all, I had a breakthrough in my personal life
Speaker 1: of being willing to cry in front of people, and
Speaker 1: suddenly I was like, oh, I guess it's not the
Speaker 1: end of the world. And then I was able to
Speaker 1: use it in my work, which was really really helpful.
Speaker 1: But I also found, you know what, another thing was
Speaker 1: I really started to rely on the other actors and
Speaker 1: the scenes with me for emotion because I don't want
Speaker 1: to just sit be alone, like creating a whole world
Speaker 1: inside my brain. I had this great I've talked about
Speaker 1: this early on in the podcast, but you weren't here,
Speaker 1: so I'm going to tell you because it was so helpful.
Speaker 1: I was doing a scene with Tammy Blanchard on Guiding Light.
Speaker 1: We were on together a long time before she blew
Speaker 1: up and started doing all these amazing movies, and she
Speaker 1: she was backstage with me. I had to do a
Speaker 1: scene where I was like weeping and I couldn't figure
Speaker 1: it out, and we were about to roll and I
Speaker 1: just on. She and I had gotten really close and
Speaker 1: I really trusted her, and I just grabbed her hands
Speaker 1: and we were standing off to the side on the
Speaker 1: stage in the dark, and I just said, will you
Speaker 1: just look at me for a second, And she just
Speaker 1: stood there and showed up for me, and we both
Speaker 1: just stared into each other's eyes and allowed all of
Speaker 1: the shields that we put up emotionally to fall away.
Speaker 1: And I saw her and she saw me, and I
Speaker 1: saw her pain, and she saw my pain and love
Speaker 1: and all the things. It was like a direct channel
Speaker 1: into her heart and into my heart, and we both
Speaker 1: just started bawling. Wow. And that moment. From that moment on,
Speaker 1: I need the other actor in the scene to show
Speaker 1: up for me. And I'm in auditions. If it's a
Speaker 1: casting assistant who doesn't care.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, can I share with you a very
Speaker 4: embarrassing audition story please, So again, early, very early in
Speaker 4: my career, and this is a time when it's like
Speaker 4: sadness equals tears. If I'm not crying, I'm not sad,
Speaker 4: you know it makes any sense. Obviously a very little
Speaker 4: life experience. So this audition called for those like two
Speaker 4: or three pages of stuff, and then I'm supposed to
Speaker 4: walk out of the room and walk back in a
Speaker 4: visibly emotionally distraught. So I thought I got a trick.
Speaker 4: I chopped up onions, put them into a tiny sandwich bag,
Speaker 4: went into the audition, did my three pages. Rather than
Speaker 4: like pretending to leave, I actually stepped out of the
Speaker 4: audition room, dug into my pocket, wiped my fingers on
Speaker 4: the chopped onions, and wiped my eyes, and went back
Speaker 4: in and jokes on me. I still didn't cry. I
Speaker 4: just smelled like onions. Didn't get the job. Sure you're
Speaker 4: all shocked to learn, but like that was That's what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. Like when I had no training, I was
Speaker 4: just like, no one taught me. So I was like,
Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe this is what people do.
Speaker 1: And that is why you're an actor because you think
Speaker 1: outside the box. You're willing to do crazy things that
Speaker 1: everybody else is like too scared to do. That's just it,
Speaker 1: that's we're just a different breed rob.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So I see the needle in your pocket and
Speaker 4: I raise you a bag of chop gun hands.
Speaker 1: You win, You absolutely win. That is so excellent.
Speaker 4: All this to say, well done, Jana Kramer. She's been
Speaker 4: so great. You know, we work together obviously, But like
Speaker 4: I said, I never revisited this show, and I'm glad
Speaker 4: I did because it has given me an entirely new
Speaker 4: found appreciation of how good she is. Yeah, and this
Speaker 4: in this role, she just crushes it. I'd have no
Speaker 4: idea where her character goes. I don't know how it ends,
Speaker 4: but I'm very interested, especially now that we're seeing this
Speaker 4: new side of her, Yeah, where she's being like she's
Speaker 4: turning over a new leaf, not entirely new. I love
Speaker 4: the way she threw herself at Alexander Cone was Yeah,
Speaker 4: that was her. But I'm enjoying seeing a more grounded,
Speaker 4: accessible version.
Speaker 1: Of alex me too. There's no other character on this show. Actually,
Speaker 1: there's only one other character on this show where the
Speaker 1: demand on them is to what's a good analogy the
Speaker 1: emotional requirement of bouncing not just back and forth, but
Speaker 1: like kind of all over the scale. Like it's just
Speaker 1: like a little emotional Richter scale, and you never know
Speaker 1: where she's going to go. Is Dan Scott is the
Speaker 1: only other character on the show where there's a demand
Speaker 1: as an actor to be able to flip it into
Speaker 1: something else in a moment, in an instant. And it's
Speaker 1: for him it's because he's so manipulative, and for Alex
Speaker 1: it's because she probably has been so manipulative in her life.
Speaker 1: But she's on this really genuine journey to try and
Speaker 1: outgrow these old patterns, but she does. There is such
Speaker 1: a requirement on Janna as an actress to be able
Speaker 1: to go cry, laugh, be sincere, be really hard, be sexy,
Speaker 1: be funny, like all of the things within one scene.
Speaker 1: Even it's a lot, It.
Speaker 4: Is a lot, you know, and usually you get a
Speaker 4: character and you kind of know, all right, this is
Speaker 4: more or less my lane, this is sort of these
Speaker 4: are the colors we'll be painting with. Yes, like you said,
Speaker 4: with with Alex Man, it's just it's all over the place.
Speaker 4: And again, another character who could have been wildly uninteresting
Speaker 4: in the hands of a different actor. Yes, you know,
Speaker 4: it only works because she sells the manic high and
Speaker 4: the manic low, and then it's just very fun in between.
Speaker 1: Yep, I love it. I love it.
Speaker 4: Otherwise you'd buy out. Speaking of growth, I loved to
Speaker 4: see Millie being Milly again.
Speaker 1: M hmm.
Speaker 4: I love Victoria as the mentor. Yeah, it is the
Speaker 4: relationship I didn't know I needed.
Speaker 1: I know, so unexpected.
Speaker 4: She's just so good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know she, both of them are. I love
Speaker 1: seeing Daphney play this new verse of Victoria too. It's like,
Speaker 1: it's one thing our show is really good at, is
Speaker 1: the redemption of characters, like constantly being able to see
Speaker 1: somebody eagerly trying to grow into a better version of themselves. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's really cool and surprising the audience. You know, you
Speaker 1: hate somebody and then eventually you're like, yeah, but they're
Speaker 1: trying so hard.
Speaker 4: Yes, And it's so fun because she you know how
Speaker 4: capable she is of just absolutely tearing someone to shred,
Speaker 4: e viscerating, and that it is always right there unerath
Speaker 4: the surface if need be, and so it's so fun
Speaker 4: though to see her leaning into this kind of tenderness
Speaker 4: and this compassion I know, and she's doing it with
Speaker 4: the character that I want to see redeemed. Yees, So
Speaker 4: I just I find myself thoroughly rooting for them, which
Speaker 4: is why when we saw Millie showing up to a
Speaker 4: meeting and just getting her court card signed and bouncing
Speaker 4: out like, oh no.
Speaker 1: I know, I felt that too.
Speaker 4: Come on, you bozo, don't blow this, I know.
Speaker 1: So it was good to see Milly being Milly. She was,
Speaker 1: she was, she was trying, but then she she has
Speaker 1: to reckon with herself.
Speaker 4: And then at the end she she hits a meeting
Speaker 4: and she shares and she gets honest. So it's yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, that's that's that's when the magic happens. So
Speaker 4: I love to see all of that that. There was
Speaker 4: one scene in that, or one moment in that close
Speaker 4: over Bros sequence that I found just absolutely laughable. Milly.
Speaker 4: It's after Victoria has left, they've had their bit, and
Speaker 4: Millie's putting away some clothes, and of course there's Milly
Speaker 4: the model on the screen who looks exactly the same
Speaker 4: as the Millie standing next to it, folding close and
Speaker 4: these two just random shoppers go Oh my gosh, that's her.
Speaker 4: Are you the model? And she goes, yeah, she goes,
Speaker 4: she looks so plain. First of all, she doesn't. She
Speaker 4: looks stunning. Also, she looks literally identical to what she is. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that screen in the app.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when that one bothered It bothered me just as
Speaker 1: a person, as a friend.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I like I I didn't like when the show did
Speaker 1: stuff like that. I get it, like this is part
Speaker 1: of the storyline, but I don't know. Could they have
Speaker 1: had her coming into work just a little tired or
Speaker 1: you know, working on her recovery, and maybe taken all
Speaker 1: her makeup off and made her look a little like
Speaker 1: darken up under her eyes, so she looked a little
Speaker 1: sad and whatever. But for the sake of Lisa, and
Speaker 1: I never asked Lisa how she felt about this, so
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to speak on her behalf. But I
Speaker 1: didn't like it. It made me feel I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: felt good if I had showed up to work and
Speaker 1: looked exactly the same as I did every day and
Speaker 1: like pretty with all my makeup and my hair done,
Speaker 1: and then got called plane in the script and had
Speaker 1: to you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's also the world's easiest problem to fix. Yeah,
Speaker 4: she comes in and she's already spilled coffee on her outfit,
Speaker 4: and so she has to put on a T shirt
Speaker 4: totally like it's as simple as that and all of that,
Speaker 4: except all that can happen off camera, you know, And
Speaker 4: so yeah it was. And also because I'm with you,
Speaker 4: when the girl goes, she's so plain, I understand Milly's
Speaker 4: at a vulnerable place. So they played to that, and
Speaker 4: that's how they did that. But what I would have
Speaker 4: loved is for her to be self aware enough and
Speaker 4: and her power enough to be like, bitch, please, yeah,
Speaker 4: looks awesome, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Are you blind exactly the same?
Speaker 4: Have some strength, you know, like and your so fond
Speaker 4: because it was such a ridiculous but again, I know
Speaker 4: what they're going for. She's sort of teetering, okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: but I did either was a part of me that
Speaker 4: wanted the other version where she's like, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little too caricaturey. The other line that
Speaker 1: she had to say, just before we move on from
Speaker 1: Milly drug doer, Millie, do you remember this line Victoria.
Speaker 4: Walks in Wow, how did I miss this?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: It was amazing. Victoria walks in and asks her. She say,
Speaker 1: you look tired. I can't remember what she said, but
Speaker 1: she says something to her, and Lisa says, this isn't
Speaker 1: drug do or Millie, I'm just working hard.
Speaker 4: Or whatever, which, by the way, it couldn't sound more
Speaker 4: like someone who's never done drugs. That is what an
Speaker 4: undercover cop trying to entrap someone says. You know, hey,
Speaker 4: it's just me pot door, Rick, Can I buy some?
Speaker 3: You know what?
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, that's so ridiculous. I love it. But I'm
Speaker 4: glad that it seems that we are finally leaving that
Speaker 4: storyline in the past, because I'm glad to give me
Speaker 4: all of Lisa doing anything else but that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Liked seeing Milly back at close over bros. You know,
Speaker 1: Brook's allowing Victoria to take her under her wing, and
Speaker 1: because I really wasn't sure how that was going to
Speaker 1: go so and Brooke Brook holds a grudge, I think,
Speaker 1: So it's nice to see her that like historically, It's
Speaker 1: nice to see her like giving Milly the space to
Speaker 1: still show up while Brooke is racing around this movie set.
Speaker 1: I was so confused by this storyline for Brook though,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if you feel this way, but like,
Speaker 1: I'm so used to Brooke not giving anyone the satisfaction
Speaker 1: of seeing her upset, Like only her really close friends
Speaker 1: and especially someone who's hurt her. She tends to always
Speaker 1: she's just bristly like like it's fine, everything's fine, I'm good,
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna rise above this and I'm not going
Speaker 1: to let you see that you've hurt me. So it's
Speaker 1: interesting to see her in this environment on set with
Speaker 1: Julian and behaving very much with her heart on her sleeve,
Speaker 1: and I kind of wanted to see a little bit
Speaker 1: more of her pretending like everything's fine and confusing Julian
Speaker 1: rather than just having to They wrote her just existing
Speaker 1: in so much suffering and sadness and just constantly looking
Speaker 1: longingly at I don't know, I was confused by it.
Speaker 4: To give the writing the benefit of the doubt. Could
Speaker 4: it be that she's behaving differently this time because this
Speaker 4: relationship is different for the first time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, just matter more and she cares
Speaker 1: and wants to do things differently than she has before.
Speaker 4: Because I hear what you're saying. If you were working
Speaker 4: with your kind of X. It feels like you would
Speaker 4: show up very much with your armor on and your
Speaker 4: guard up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's not just my kind of X, it's
Speaker 1: also my kind of ex and the woman we broke
Speaker 1: up over. Plus my assistant is also now hitting you know,
Speaker 1: like hitting on our I mean.
Speaker 4: Look, okay, let's just jump right to that. What happened? Okay,
Speaker 4: that he's been towing for me a very awkward line
Speaker 4: of being supportive friend and dude who's low key hitting
Speaker 4: on her regularly. So and I haven't been able to
Speaker 4: put my finger on it. And in this episode he
Speaker 4: just randomly kisses her on the cheek and she doesn't
Speaker 4: even raise her eyebrows.
Speaker 1: Wait, Alexander kisses her on the cheek.
Speaker 4: One hundred percent he kisses her on the cheek.
Speaker 1: Wait what where? What part of the episode is this in?
Speaker 1: I missed it? Okay, I was watching this on the
Speaker 1: plane I did, which, by the way, as an actor
Speaker 1: in Montree Hill, watching myself on a screen on an
Speaker 1: airplane is extremely uncomfortable.
Speaker 4: If yes, for our last two episodes, I was going
Speaker 4: to and from that convention in Paris, watching the show
Speaker 4: with myself going to a convention about the show. It
Speaker 4: was about as self involved as it probably could have
Speaker 4: a Ya, hey, guys, do you want to watch me
Speaker 4: watch myself? I'm totally normal. It was yeah, so I
Speaker 4: feel you. It's you got to like tilt that screen
Speaker 4: into the you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah window seat please. Anyway, when did this happen.
Speaker 4: It was when he brings the suit to Brook on set. Oh,
Speaker 4: they have like a little and it's not even an
Speaker 4: emotionally charged thing. Maybe it's you know, him doing his
Speaker 4: slightly flirty, cheer you up thing. But then he just
Speaker 4: kisses her on the cheek. Because what happens is he
Speaker 4: kisses on the cheek and he exits, and I'm fairly
Speaker 4: certain they rack to the background where Julian sees it.
Speaker 1: Okay, I must have been ordering my my orange juice
Speaker 1: or something, you know, and little Snack missed because I
Speaker 1: missed it.
Speaker 4: By the way, for someone who lacked boundaries, I criticized
Speaker 4: the heck out of Nathan, like, hey, Brook, yeah, really
Speaker 4: in front of your potential still boyfriend, ish, I don't
Speaker 4: you know, Alexander's the water is so muddy with him,
Speaker 4: you know, uh, and on the cheek and she's not
Speaker 4: even like huh. She's just like, Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 1: His presence confuses me a lot. I don't understand what
Speaker 1: point he's supposed to serve in the story, because he's not.
Speaker 1: I feel like he can lift right out at this point.
Speaker 1: It's it's like this rand. It's just it feels very
Speaker 1: random and confusing. But maybe it's going somewhere.
Speaker 4: It feels especially because I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 4: where it goes, but it feels to me like it
Speaker 4: was a character they inserted without fully knowing where it
Speaker 4: was gonna go. Yeah, so they sort of did a
Speaker 4: whole one foot out, one foot out there, or Susie
Speaker 4: one foot in, one foot out where it was like
Speaker 4: he's having me flirty, but he's also just supportive.
Speaker 1: It's like what you said on another of previous podcast
Speaker 1: were you said it's like when he first showed up
Speaker 1: that and this is actually this is totally in tandem
Speaker 1: with with his first introduction. So his introduction is just
Speaker 1: kept going where they just thought he's so handsome, he
Speaker 1: can just stand there and we don't actually need to
Speaker 1: write anything interesting for him. The audience will just love it.
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry that's not working for me. I need
Speaker 1: some substance here.
Speaker 4: That works for him and Alex. That works with a
Speaker 4: character who is not emotionally involved with someone else, a
Speaker 4: single gal. Sure, I'll buy that. That that cat that's
Speaker 4: enough to catch the eye and peak the interest. Yeah,
Speaker 4: like it does with Alex. But if that's what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: is like, I don't I don't know what his role
Speaker 4: was supposed to be. Was he supposed to threaten the relationship?
Speaker 4: Was he supposed to just be a kind of distraction
Speaker 4: that fosters a little jealousy.
Speaker 1: They didn't give him a personality he's he doesn't you
Speaker 1: know what's like, what are you? You can't just be handsome?
Speaker 4: Are you?
Speaker 1: Are you funny? Are you super intellectual? Or like what's
Speaker 1: give me something? Give me some kind of personality trait
Speaker 1: that is, Oh, I get this banter. I get how
Speaker 1: why they're connecting. I get where the threat is. But
Speaker 1: there doesn't s to be a threat. He's just there
Speaker 1: acting like a threat, even though it's I'm not worried.
Speaker 4: You know. It's almost like they they realized they weren't
Speaker 4: gonna have Milly around close over bros for Brooke to
Speaker 4: vent to, so they're like, oh, why don't we just
Speaker 4: bring in like a handsome dude, because if you think
Speaker 4: about it, the reason why I don't think he is
Speaker 4: long for the show is we haven't learned a single
Speaker 4: thing about him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 4: Brooke hasn't asked and they haven't told us. He's just
Speaker 4: been there to ask questions so that we can hear
Speaker 4: more about Brooke and then occasionally throw a come hither stare.
Speaker 4: But it's like, if it's if it was supposed to
Speaker 4: be a threat to Brook and Julian, it needed to
Speaker 4: come in with a lot more depth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree.
Speaker 4: Otherwise it's a massive disservice to Brooke. If like when
Speaker 4: she has the love of her life and she's like,
Speaker 4: but this guy has an accent and a jaw line,
Speaker 4: I don't know, you know, that's basically all I did.
Speaker 4: They're like, listen, you're handsome, you look like a superhero.
Speaker 4: Just stand there, buddy, it'll be good.
Speaker 1: It's fine. Such a shame, such a shame. And then
Speaker 1: just you know, make rude comments to the director, but
Speaker 1: he'll let it go because you're so handsome. It's fine.
Speaker 4: Just and again, it's almost like he's so inconsequential that
Speaker 4: they didn't even spend time with Julian responding.
Speaker 1: Oh, he didn't even look at him. I think he
Speaker 1: just kind of looked at him and then kept going
Speaker 1: so strange.
Speaker 4: He's like, we're going to find out the end of this.
Speaker 4: He was just a ghost. He was just a figment
Speaker 4: of Brooks imagination. The entire time, she's been just making
Speaker 4: suits by herself. That's why no one has ever spoken
Speaker 4: a word to Alexander Coyn. That is it.
Speaker 1: Nobody talks to him except her. Yeah, I'm into it.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 4: I did love how when alex was at the bar
Speaker 4: with taking shots. I started to write, like, what are
Speaker 4: we doing? Is she on the wagon? Is she off
Speaker 4: the wagon? Have we abandoned this storyline? What are we doing?
Speaker 4: Because again, she's been so like sincere up until this point,
Speaker 4: and then of course we found out their water, so
Speaker 4: I had to write never mind. But I loved the
Speaker 4: line where she maybe he says like are you not
Speaker 4: supposed to drink or something? Which why would he know?
Speaker 4: That doesn't matter? And she goes, it's not it's not
Speaker 4: it's water. I've replaced booze with boys. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 4: this is fun.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I liked it.
Speaker 4: He seems to be on board. I was like, great, Oh,
Speaker 4: except hold on, is this the episode or was it
Speaker 4: last episode? Oh? No, it was last episode. I think
Speaker 4: it was just sof and I it killed me. They
Speaker 4: do all this cool stuff of Alex being a total
Speaker 4: wingman to Julian, right like the movie, and then go like, no,
Speaker 4: you're gonna go to the eighties dance and yeah, at
Speaker 4: the end of the dance, how funny. There was a
Speaker 4: moment with Alexander and Alex outside and Alex says to him,
Speaker 4: you know, it's never gonna work with you and Brooke,
Speaker 4: and I think he says, like why and she goes
Speaker 4: cause she's in love with him? And he goes, oh,
Speaker 4: and she says, do you know why I know that?
Speaker 4: Or how I know that? And he goes now and
Speaker 4: she goes because I'm in love with him too.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are we doing, manufactured?
Speaker 4: Why are we keeping up this whole? Like is she
Speaker 4: a threat still?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, there was a lot of moments in this episode,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure in the last couple too. I mean,
Speaker 1: we had it was like there were storylines that were
Speaker 1: really important for the for the writer's room to focus on,
Speaker 1: and then there were kind of peripheral storylines that it
Speaker 1: was like, we just have to explain everything, And I
Speaker 1: wish that they would have taken a little more time
Speaker 1: to create something that was more subtle and just trusting
Speaker 1: the audience to pay attention and understand what was going
Speaker 1: on without having everything just verbally explained. It was a
Speaker 1: lot of time wasting dialogue in this episode and maybe
Speaker 1: the last one too. I didn't I haven't watched that one,
Speaker 1: but yes, it.
Speaker 4: Just would have been so much more interesting if at
Speaker 4: the end, instead of her reconfessing her love of Julian
Speaker 4: to a stranger, if she had just been like, what's up,
Speaker 4: what's up? Jaw line? You want to get out of here?
Speaker 4: Like just replace this and just have it start, you know,
Speaker 4: half an episode sooner.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the problem? Like, well, we know what's going on. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly explain it. I get it.
Speaker 4: I did love on that movie. Brooke was a total
Speaker 4: team player. You know, there's a scene where they're wardrobe
Speaker 4: adjustments on Alex and she goes like, oh, if we
Speaker 4: rolled the sleeves up and she sees the scars and
Speaker 4: Julie I think starts to say I like that, and
Speaker 4: but Brooke sees the scars and she's like, ah, no,
Speaker 4: I got it. I got something even better. Yeah, a
Speaker 4: real quiet act of kindness. And then it's end of
Speaker 4: the day when I think Brook sees that Alex is
Speaker 4: really doubting herself. She comes up and she says, like,
Speaker 4: you're doing good. Yeah. Man, that's such a high road
Speaker 4: move it is.
Speaker 1: That's some high frequency stuff right there.
Speaker 4: Because she's saying that to the woman who completely undermined
Speaker 4: a relationship. And I don't even know that she's doing
Speaker 4: it for Alex's sake. I don't even know that she's
Speaker 4: that compassionate as much as she's doing it for Julian's sake.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. It struck me as something that
Speaker 1: she was just doing for herself. Like, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't want to be a vindictive person. I just I
Speaker 1: don't want to have This is a lot, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of energy to carry around. I just I just
Speaker 1: want to be compassionate. It's this is someone harming themselves
Speaker 1: is such an intense thing to carry around. I think
Speaker 1: so many of us would have done the exact same thing, Like,
Speaker 1: no matter what the stakes, are emotionally with romantic issues
Speaker 1: and you see another person in front of you who
Speaker 1: has harmed themselves in that way, wouldn't you just like,
Speaker 1: you know what, none of this other stuff matters, Like,
Speaker 1: let's just be kind to each other and you know,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day day, that's what matters.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's very brooke. Yeah, it is. It is the
Speaker 4: very it's the evolved response where it's yes, rather than
Speaker 4: getting caught up in the nitty gritty ego cat fighting
Speaker 4: stuff happening, I'm gonna zoom out and realize you're a
Speaker 4: hurting person. Yeah, and I'm just gonna be kind.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm not gonna extrapolate on that. Let's just be kind.
Speaker 1: We have a question, But I do want to say
Speaker 1: Michael Grubbs is so good, dude.
Speaker 4: I wasn't gonna let us get out without talking about
Speaker 4: Miranda and Grubs.
Speaker 1: It's so good. First of all, also that he is
Speaker 1: he's kind of like the other parallel of Lydia in
Speaker 1: this episode, where he's the one person who's willing to
Speaker 1: dive in and ask uncomfortable questions and he's always been
Speaker 1: that way since he showed up on the scene. He
Speaker 1: really like it seems like he lives life to the
Speaker 1: fullest in that way where he's not gonna dance around things.
Speaker 1: He just dives right in, like let's not waste time.
Speaker 1: Life is short, Like what's really going on with you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's so good at it.
Speaker 4: He's great. And then they're they're just their chemistry is fun.
Speaker 4: It's so cute. I think you have a line where
Speaker 4: you come in into the into red bedroom and she's
Speaker 4: there with her flower and she's like kind of complaining
Speaker 4: about it, and then she's like and he called me
Speaker 4: her his girlfriend, and you're like, sounds like, are you
Speaker 4: totally have a boyfriend? Go get him Tiger. Yeah, so good.
Speaker 4: It's great. So yeah, their stuff is wonderful, and Lydia's
Speaker 4: stuff was just, uh was just great. Best killed it.
Speaker 4: You all showed up for it. It was great.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was strong. It was strong work.
Speaker 1: Thanks. Yeah. And they did such a great job too.
Speaker 1: It was it was a tough storyline to begin entering into,
Speaker 1: and I really it's a it was. It was really
Speaker 1: well done that they wrote so much fun, playful energy
Speaker 1: at the top of the episode and we really got
Speaker 1: to soak in the Scott family to the James Scott
Speaker 1: family dynamic, feeling that it almost felt like that the
Speaker 1: household that it will it did it must have felt
Speaker 1: like the household that the sisters grew up in. So
Speaker 1: we all got to really feel that for the first
Speaker 1: half of the episode. And then Lydia dropped this bomb
Speaker 1: about having cancer and having not much time left, and
Speaker 1: it was a really smart way of truncating years of
Speaker 1: experience that we haven't had as an audience because we've
Speaker 1: been living in tree Hill with all these other characters,
Speaker 1: to truncating all of that into a short amount of
Speaker 1: time so that we still really felt it hit home
Speaker 1: when she best made the Lydia makes this announcement, like
Speaker 1: the sorrow really really connected. I was crying on this
Speaker 1: flight watching this, watching these scenes with some really wonderful actresses.
Speaker 1: They were great.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think part of also why it was so
Speaker 4: effective was credit to the writing. It felt. It all
Speaker 4: felt believable, and it all felt honest. I thought, the
Speaker 4: way Lydia handles it, I see totally, that's believable. You know,
Speaker 4: she's she's had this information for a while. That's what
Speaker 4: allows her to be in this space now, you know.
Speaker 4: And then the way each of you reacts to me.
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, I could see me reacting any of
Speaker 4: those three ways.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And there's that great moment with the two of you
Speaker 4: where you're really struggling and she says, we're going to
Speaker 4: have to be strong for everybody else who can't be.
Speaker 4: I'm like, listen, there's one is at least one of
Speaker 4: those in every family. There's a lot of viewers who
Speaker 4: have had to be that person, you know, Like it's
Speaker 4: just so relatable and so honest. But yeah, that was
Speaker 4: top to bottom well executed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, next one's going to be tough.
Speaker 4: My honorable men goes to the final shot of Bess
Speaker 4: and you three on the couch cuddled, and then it
Speaker 4: cuts back to an old photo of them or of
Speaker 4: you all young, and it is that that tugged at
Speaker 4: my heart strings.
Speaker 1: Man, that really got me too, really did so sentimental man.
Speaker 1: Honorable mention, I'm going to give mine to India de Beaufort,
Speaker 1: who is really surprising me. You know, she showed up
Speaker 1: and it was very tough and not her the character,
Speaker 1: this character that she's playing was just so tough and
Speaker 1: unrelenting and unforgiving and cold and hard and watching her subtly,
Speaker 1: like watching her trust the audience that she's she is
Speaker 1: subtle in her performance, and it's it's really pleasant to
Speaker 1: see that you have to watch and pay attention in
Speaker 1: order to see the that's bubbling up in her beneath
Speaker 1: the surface, and it's there, and I really it's fun.
Speaker 1: It's a little Easter egg hunt when I watch her
Speaker 1: on screen, and I love fantastic.
Speaker 5: Yeah, listener, question yet, what does it say?
Speaker 4: Abigail writes. In season one, Haley says she comes from
Speaker 4: a big family, and Nathan looks at a bolton board
Speaker 4: and asks, are those all your brothers and sisters? By
Speaker 4: season seven, Haley has only two siblings, Taylor and Quinn.
Speaker 4: If Haley were to have a brother, what would his
Speaker 4: personality be? And if Brooke and Clay were to have
Speaker 4: siblings they were raised with what kind of personalities do
Speaker 4: we think they would have? And what kind of siblings
Speaker 4: would those characters be? Whoa essay question?
Speaker 1: Thank you, Abigail, thank you, Yes it's true, it's your first.
Speaker 1: By the end of the season, Taylor and Quinn are
Speaker 1: Haley's only siblings. By the end of this series, yes
Speaker 1: it is. This is like what soap operas used to
Speaker 1: do when a character would an actor would leave the
Speaker 1: show and a new actor would show up in the
Speaker 1: exact same role, and this announcer voice would come over
Speaker 1: and say, the role of Rebecca will now be played
Speaker 1: by Yeah. So I feel like that's what happened here.
Speaker 1: They just you know, it's been long enough. There wasn't this.
Speaker 1: The show was on syndication, but it wasn't streamable and
Speaker 1: binging like we were today, where now, if you watch
Speaker 1: seven seasons over the course of two months every day,
Speaker 1: you're recognizing all of these differences. But back then TV
Speaker 1: was a little different, So I think they just assumed
Speaker 1: the audience forgot, which is kind of funny. I don't
Speaker 1: know if Haley had a brother, well she did, right
Speaker 1: at some point she had brothers that.
Speaker 4: Were actually on the show or just referenced.
Speaker 1: No, they were just referenced. However, I think it would
Speaker 1: probably be like my mom. Actually, in real life, my
Speaker 1: mom's and my mom and her sister were about fifteen
Speaker 1: years younger than their oldest brother, and they had two
Speaker 1: older brothers. So I'm assuming that's probably what happened with
Speaker 1: Hayley and Taylor and Quinny. Maybe they just had much
Speaker 1: older brothers who were off living their lives. I don't
Speaker 1: know what their personalities would have been like. I mean,
Speaker 1: I could have gone in any different direction. They probably
Speaker 1: was one who was wild like Taylor, and another one
Speaker 1: who was you know, responsible and working a really great
Speaker 1: job and just keeping his life together and all that.
Speaker 4: I think if Clay had a sibling, I could see
Speaker 4: him having a brother like Nathan, because Nathan becomes Clay's
Speaker 4: best friend.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think a lot of times, you know, your your
Speaker 4: brother kind of is your best friend, and so I
Speaker 4: just I think it kind of makes sense that if
Speaker 4: he had a brother, I could see it being like
Speaker 4: Nathan because Nathan kind of becomes his brother.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I could see that.
Speaker 4: Thanks for the question, Abigail.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Thanks well.
Speaker 4: Joy, Well, unless you want to share some recipes, let's
Speaker 4: spin that wheel. I'm most likely to become a Broadway star.
Speaker 1: Broadway star?
Speaker 4: Sure and Lawrence?
Speaker 1: Yeah there done that? Oh my god, she's have you
Speaker 1: seen her on stage?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Oh, she's so good.
Speaker 4: But I am a family. All things shared.
Speaker 1: I find video she and I did it did a
Speaker 1: benefit for dang it. It's a French I can't remember.
Speaker 1: I can't remember I have to go find it. But
Speaker 1: she and I did a performance as nuns who turned
Speaker 1: out to be like cabaret performers by the end of
Speaker 1: the song, and uh, she's so brilliant. Like we had
Speaker 1: a good four or five days of it was a
Speaker 1: four days of rehearsal. We just like really worked on
Speaker 1: this routine together. And she's such a pro and her
Speaker 1: voice is so good. If you just go on a
Speaker 1: deep dive of Sharon Lawrence musical theater friends, you're going
Speaker 1: to be delightfully surprised.
Speaker 4: I've heard her sing, and I've seen her dance. I've
Speaker 4: just never seen any of her actually on Broadway stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, off to dive. There's got to be there's got
Speaker 1: to be stuff out there. What about characters on the show?
Speaker 4: Millie, that's mine, it's the first name. I thought. Oh,
Speaker 4: she's very interested in ballerinas. I'm assuming she's probably taking
Speaker 4: some dance classes. You're never gonna let that go. No. Also,
Speaker 4: because that's another thing the fans were like, hey, dumb, dumb.
Speaker 4: She actually said earlier in the show that she likes
Speaker 4: ballerinas in ballet, and her mouth I was like, well listen, gang, oh,
Speaker 4: I get it. Sorry, I haven't seen those episodes I missed,
Speaker 4: so now I know that she genuinely likes ballet. She
Speaker 4: also just looks She looks like someone who could have
Speaker 4: just stepped off of a Broadway stage.
Speaker 1: She'd for sure does. Yes, I also could see mouth.
Speaker 1: He seems to be someone that just really interesting opportunities
Speaker 1: come his way all the time that are just out
Speaker 1: of left fields. This feels like something that he would
Speaker 1: do completely.
Speaker 4: Also, Millie is she has a lot of the reluctant
Speaker 4: star energy going on. Oh yes, we've already seen it.
Speaker 4: With clothes overbros. You could see her getting thrust into
Speaker 4: a starring role all of a sudden, and she kills
Speaker 4: it and she's like, what's going on?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's so good. Thanks everybody for joining us.
Speaker 1: Next episode, Season seven, episode seventeen. Oh I think I
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