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Speaker 2: The World's of Vigeonal podcast Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. I

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Speaker 2: Who wants my jacket with my name?

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Speaker 3: In Hartford, Connecticut?

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Speaker 4: It's the Lake Cruse sale.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, what a Dutch of its not when you

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Speaker 4: They had a great touch of him.

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Speaker 6: Everybody should have beaten the Chiefs every game, but they

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Speaker 6: find a way to win. They never cover, like where

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Speaker 6: you're gonna lay like ten points? Okay, no one would

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Speaker 6: take Kansas City.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what that means, but okay, I want to.

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Speaker 6: Be like Mike do So I'm just being excited all

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Speaker 4: I don't have to go twelve and four anymore. It's

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Speaker 4: just exciting.

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Speaker 7: Defense is back, and.

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Speaker 8: You guys, don't worry that number one cornerback. It's not

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Speaker 8: going to be there.

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Speaker 4: Of course, we are worried.

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Speaker 7: False bravado.

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Speaker 4: Where's the false bravado coming?

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Speaker 2: It's not like we're sitting up here go Patriots by

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Speaker 2: fIF fifty.

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Speaker 4: That would be false. Come on, you're done, that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: I'm walking out right now.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here

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Speaker 2: at ji Lette Stadium. And yeah, it wasn't a good game.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't a good game, particularly that second half.

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Speaker 7: Uh so we're gonna talk about that.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about what they need to do

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Speaker 2: to get better against the Miami Dolphins. It is Deuce,

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Speaker 2: it is Evan, it is Paul. We have no locker

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Speaker 2: room or practice obligations today, so we'll be everybody will

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Speaker 2: be here for the whole two hours to break this

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Speaker 2: down and get right. So get right, episode right here,

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Speaker 2: get right. But I will have to say that the

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Speaker 2: hysteria that's going on Paul shows and otherwise it's everybody

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Speaker 2: right now is in a funk. And uh, you know,

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Speaker 2: it wasn't a good game. But come on, it's week one.

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Speaker 2: It's week one.

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Speaker 6: It's like the five stages of a Patriots loss. Yes, right,

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Speaker 6: so you'll be angry and the immediate aftermath that the

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Speaker 6: team didn't play well and you sort of address it,

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Speaker 6: then you immediately just blash out at the media for

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Speaker 6: being upset about well.

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Speaker 2: The first the first stage of stages of a loss.

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Speaker 2: First stage is denial.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, I left out the referees, car right.

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Speaker 2: So that's the first stage.

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Speaker 4: You know, we're saying that, No.

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Speaker 7: It's we're kidding around.

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Speaker 6: I think the Raiders just gonna call for another penalty.

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Speaker 6: Hard to blend the ress of this.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's so let's you know, we talked about

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Speaker 2: it in the post game show a lot, but it

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Speaker 2: did seem to me that in the second half Carol

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Speaker 2: his team, we're given and this offense too much respect.

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Speaker 2: Let's just go Adams. They definitely got more aggressive in

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Speaker 2: the second half, and the Patriots had problems with that, you.

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Speaker 7: Know, defense.

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Speaker 2: The problem with the defense is they just gave up

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Speaker 2: too many big plays, too many chunk plays. I think

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Speaker 2: at times they played well against the run, they played

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Speaker 2: And we kind of predicted that going into this season

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Speaker 6: I really well against the run. I wasn't expecting that.

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Speaker 6: try to really establish Genti and the Patriots took him out.

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Speaker 6: They did a good job of containing him, but it

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, don't. I mean, I think a little bit

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Speaker 10: The team's lost Week one, its loss is well, Miami

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Speaker 10: the Vikings and the Bears, and of course Twitter doesn't

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Speaker 4: McCarthy was and that that was a miss and that

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Speaker 4: and of course, knowing the result of the game, I

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Speaker 4: so quick to make a complete universal judgment off of

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Speaker 4: Look I think for me, was this the same Patriots

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Speaker 4: or you know, lose last year? Like it was losses

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Speaker 4: all look the same in the NFL. Like you lose

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Speaker 4: a game, your defense didn't get quite enough stops, your

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Speaker 4: that's what people are just so quick to say, that's it.

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Speaker 4: It's the same thing. We're gonna be four win again.

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Speaker 4: Maybe they will be, but I'm not ready to make

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Speaker 4: a blanket judgment about this team with you know, a

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Speaker 4: four win seasons, Like it's gonna take a lot to

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Speaker 4: get me like this really start feeling like we have

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Speaker 4: There's some good things to build off of. It wasn't

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Speaker 4: doesn't mean that's it. Drake May has done, Mike Rabel

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Speaker 4: can't coach. The defense is going to be the same

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Speaker 4: pathetic thing it was last year. You have to wait

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Speaker 4: and see, and I'm just trying to be patient. It's

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Speaker 4: just the start of a long, long year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I had one person say I'm not

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Speaker 2: watching another game until they make major changes. They fired

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Speaker 4: So, you know, twenty eight new players.

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Speaker 7: That's kind of a major team.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So again, I'm not happy with this result. There's

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Speaker 2: very little silver lining that I take out of this game.

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Speaker 2: I saw some individual plays that I like, but the

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Speaker 2: team as a whole did not play well special teams, defense, offense.

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Speaker 2: So there's a lot of improvement that needs to be done.

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Speaker 2: But it's it's weak. It's week one. It's week one.

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Speaker 2: As a knock the mouse across the room, so even

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Speaker 2: I have to take a step back and say, Okay, breathe,

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Speaker 2: take some deep reaths. Let's go into Miami. Let's get

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Speaker 2: gonna win this freaking game.

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Speaker 4: I mean, not to get ahead of it, but it's

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Speaker 4: a big game. I mean both ways.

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Speaker 3: It's like, okay, I mean positivity on that side.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to touch the Dolphins just yet, but

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Speaker 4: what a huge game. The Dolphins are. They playing to

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Speaker 4: save their regime right now.

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Speaker 7: I don't care if they had won this week.

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Speaker 2: I'm saying we're winning. Yeah, yeah, we'll see, we'll see.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's uh, that's gonna be a great matchup.

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Speaker 6: Chatting about it, Fred was saying the Patriots are going

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Speaker 4: Yep, I didn't see Who didn't see that coming?

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Speaker 7: Guaranteeing it?

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Speaker 4: Guarantee who didn't guaranteeing it?

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Speaker 6: I'm just bad because I thought the Patriots are gonna

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm mad.

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Speaker 3: I think, uh, you know, what you guys said was

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Speaker 3: But I don't really care that they lost. The result

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Speaker 3: isn't what I'm concerned about. It's how it looked like

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Speaker 3: the the yesterday was a dark day for me with

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Speaker 4: Just shut off those lights.

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Speaker 7: All right, what's the into that?

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Speaker 2: Because you had your after further view that I hope

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Speaker 2: they would have had a you know, more competitive second half.

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Speaker 2: Give me one thing, the run game, okay, but that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, we can unpack it. But like just big

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Speaker 3: picture wise, they are not built to drop back fifty

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Speaker 2: The stats say that most teams aren't. Most teams when

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Speaker 3: They're obviously not going to throw fifty times every game, right,

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying they're not built to be a high

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Speaker 3: volume passing game, Like that's just not. They don't have

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Speaker 3: the infrastructure around Drake made to support that. Like their

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Speaker 3: is still work in progress. He's still a work in progress.

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Speaker 3: Like they're just not They're not going to be able

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Speaker 2: WHOA, don't start behind.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, they might just jump in to help Evan out

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Speaker 6: because you know, Mike my Stat's coming right to help

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Speaker 6: Evan out a little bit here. They didn't go into

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Speaker 6: may attempt forty six pass?

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Speaker 2: That was the game play.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 6: The reason that they had to do that wasn't because

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Speaker 6: they fell behind. It was because they couldn't do anything else.

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Speaker 6: That's what forced them to throw the ball on twenty

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Speaker 3: Score game until midway through the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 6: Correct, they were never chasing until very very late in

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Speaker 6: the game. But that's why the numbers got thrown out.

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Speaker 6: Of whack, but you end up having to throw because

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Speaker 6: No, I think they gave it. I think they gave

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Speaker 3: They'rerunning fifteen times in the first.

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Speaker 4: Patriots had control of the game. I think they were playing.

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Speaker 6: Better than the Raiders.

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Speaker 2: I thought so too.

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Speaker 6: Now the problem was, in a span of over sixteen minutes,

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Speaker 6: They couldn't create any separation. I had the numbers here

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Speaker 3: If you can't run the ball, like, they're just not

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Speaker 3: that needs scheme. They need scheme related conflict. You know,

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Speaker 2: They're ready for any of that. And I was thinking

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Speaker 3: But they were playing two high and three high zone.

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Speaker 2: Guys getting over it.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, guys are open, but like he's either sailing

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Speaker 3: He had the game wasn't working because of their own doing.

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Speaker 2: He has to be better in that short game to

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Speaker 3: But he's not. But that's not the type of passer

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Speaker 2: Shouldn't never yet NFL quarterback be that type of passer.

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Speaker 2: I've got to take the profit. You got to take

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Speaker 3: Like the run game, I think was not working because

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Speaker 2: Something you said. I'm not going to accept that. Drake

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Speaker 3: You have to, Like, I don't know what we're like,

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Speaker 3: you're trying.

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Speaker 2: In the NFL, every quarterback should be able to recognize

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Speaker 3: I don't think a lot of the quarterbacks that you

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Speaker 2: When they have to be, they can do it. That's

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Speaker 3: Like he's not there yet, Like he's just not that

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Speaker 3: him to throw, you know, six and eight yard option

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Speaker 2: If that's what's open to you, if that's how you're

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Speaker 2: you have to do that. You can't force things. If

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Speaker 6: Evan's trying to tell you that that's not my strong suit.

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Speaker 6: He doesn't.

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Speaker 4: He lacks some accuracy with some of those throws.

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Speaker 6: And I think there was a perfect illustration was the

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Speaker 6: You talked about this in the postgame show. Easy Drivestarter,

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Speaker 6: you know, short little sit route for a hunter, Henry,

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Speaker 6: he missed him by a significant amount. That's not abnormal

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Speaker 6: Okay, that's a problem for a lot of quarterbacks in

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Speaker 6: My guy drew bledsoe. That was not his strong suit.

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Speaker 2: He was never asked to do it. I don't think

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Speaker 4: I think May was tight too. It wasn't just that

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Speaker 3: I agree with that mechanics in this game doesn't look

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Speaker 3: I didn't really particularly think that they.

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Speaker 6: Are just going to get mad.

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Speaker 3: I did much with the play calling that I you know,

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Speaker 3: And I know it's week one, but you know, you

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Speaker 6: What he was seeing and where where is no I actually.

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Speaker 6: Because I do think that they had some open guys.

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Speaker 4: Look that the interception, I mean, from my view, it

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Speaker 2: A little bit earlier.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Diggs was clearing in his zone right there,

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Speaker 2: wondering how many how many calls where Diggs was the

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Speaker 6: So that's another one that might be second guessable. I

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Speaker 6: his his snaps were down. I know everybody's focusing on

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Speaker 6: got to just send Stevenson to the bench and give

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Speaker 11: Which one of your shows say that all of them,

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Speaker 11: all of them, they're all, They're all universally, the single

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Speaker 6: And I love Henderson, but he had eleven touches in

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Speaker 3: Hanas Oh, I'm.

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Speaker 6: Sorry, yea thought I thought it was even later.

443
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Speaker 3: He was third behind the half foody in Douglas.

444
00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,040
Speaker 6: But he was behind the other guys. Yeah, Douglas and

445
00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,480
Speaker 6: every time. I mean I didn't I didn't see a

446
00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,240
Speaker 6: whole lot from Diggs in this game that reminded me

447
00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:54,960
Speaker 6: of the old Digs. There was the one player on

448
00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,399
Speaker 6: the quick slant that I think he immediately uncovered. It

449
00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,560
Speaker 6: was the last player of the third quarter convert a

450
00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:06,159
Speaker 6: big third down at the time. But if he if

451
00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,399
Speaker 6: he's healthy enough to be out there and be a

452
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Speaker 6: part of it, then let's let him. Let him try

453
00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:12,800
Speaker 6: to be Diggs.

454
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

455
00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,120
Speaker 6: I kind of agree with you, Fred, I think he's

456
00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,800
Speaker 6: the best receiver they have now. Booty was the best

457
00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:19,920
Speaker 6: receiver Sunday, right. Booty played terrific.

458
00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:20,440
Speaker 2: He did.

459
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,040
Speaker 6: I thought he played a really good game. Yeah, but

460
00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:25,639
Speaker 6: I think Diggs offers a little bit more.

461
00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,000
Speaker 2: I mean, who would have at least I hope on

462
00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,560
Speaker 2: the first game that the you know, if there was

463
00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,280
Speaker 2: someone that was going to have one hundred yards, it'd

464
00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,040
Speaker 2: be Booty. I mean that was pretty good. Good for him.

465
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he ran a lot of really strong round.

466
00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:37,720
Speaker 4: He played well.

467
00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:38,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, he was good in the game.

468
00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,240
Speaker 4: Good hands. Just to point Henderson and what Evan was

469
00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,520
Speaker 4: kind of saying with mc daniels is just it was disappointed.

470
00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,359
Speaker 4: They weren't able to seem him open, and it just

471
00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,800
Speaker 4: seemed like the Raiders were sitting there waiting for them

472
00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:53,600
Speaker 4: to try to throw those screen passes. I think there

473
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,399
Speaker 4: was one where it was Jermaine Pratt where he just

474
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:57,439
Speaker 4: danced next to Henderson.

475
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Speaker 6: There were times that he would I think there were

476
00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,520
Speaker 6: times that he was the focus of the play and

477
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,040
Speaker 6: it didn't even go to him, like you didn't even

478
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,760
Speaker 6: get a target, Like they didn't send him on the

479
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:06,600
Speaker 6: one final route.

480
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 3: I don't know why he doesn't get one route down

481
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,440
Speaker 3: the field. I don't think I tracked one route.

482
00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 6: I didn't see one wheel route either.

483
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,199
Speaker 2: I mean to Evit's point about the exotic nature of

484
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,560
Speaker 2: the what he thought the offense should be. There was

485
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 2: never a point where you said, oh, you know, the

486
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,919
Speaker 2: Raiders defense is on their heels. They were always able

487
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 2: to play going forward.

488
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Speaker 6: You know, Digs played twenty nine snaps by the way.

489
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:31,439
Speaker 3: I thought maybe it was.

490
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,119
Speaker 6: But twenty nine snaps, Like, yeah, that's not enough to

491
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 6: me unless it's because that's all he could do.

492
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:40,680
Speaker 4: Yeah physically right.

493
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Speaker 2: I just think like they were always they were always

494
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,280
Speaker 2: on their on their on their toes.

495
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just like none of that. Like I think

496
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,240
Speaker 3: Diggs is going to have a ramp up here and

497
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:55,200
Speaker 3: Diggs will be fine, but they just they got to

498
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 3: get the quarterback tied together mechanically, like his his feet

499
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 3: and even just the way just like if you watch

500
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 3: the way that his body on coils when he's throwing

501
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,440
Speaker 3: the football, like he's just not firing the right way

502
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 3: to be if you have those types of mechanics, like

503
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,200
Speaker 3: you're going to spray the ball like you just you're

504
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,880
Speaker 3: not going to be consistent with your accuracy when there's

505
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 3: so many moving parts to your mechanics. And then I

506
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 3: think the second thing is just you know, when you're

507
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 3: under center running the football, like teams that run the

508
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,120
Speaker 3: center under center effectively are using a lot of motion

509
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 3: like you don't. You're not running the fall from under

510
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 3: center with stagnant formation where you're just coming out and

511
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,919
Speaker 3: you're just running it right at the defense. You're having

512
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,879
Speaker 3: some sort of window dressing or eye candy with motion

513
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,160
Speaker 3: that's you know, affecting the defense in some sort of way,

514
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:45,400
Speaker 3: you know, opening space, forcing communication, you know that sort

515
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 3: of thing. If you're a gun run team, then you're

516
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 3: running options. You know, the quarterbacks involved you're read options,

517
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 3: your RPOs, that sort of thing. And if you just

518
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 3: are a team that's just going to hand the ball

519
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 3: off and run it right up the middle, it's that

520
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 3: is not really being super success.

521
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 4: Just one question for you, because they like, were you

522
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 4: surprised they weren't really under center all that much? I

523
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 4: mean it seemed like, I mean, no, that was a

524
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 4: thing for you. You don't really feel like Drake's and

525
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,199
Speaker 4: under center kind of guy. I mean, yeah, I know

526
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,439
Speaker 4: schematically you weren't happy, but at least it seem like

527
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 4: they had him way more in the gun, right, I

528
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 4: forget what the exact numbers, Yeah, like.

529
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Speaker 3: Eighty five percent. I mean, I don't know how much.

530
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 6: Of that was as passes. It was almost exclusive because.

531
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Speaker 3: They just decided to abandon the run game in the

532
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 3: second half. But you know, to me, it's just like, again,

533
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 3: if you're you're just either drop back passing from stagnant

534
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,439
Speaker 3: formation or you're handing the ball off from stagnant formation,

535
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 3: and there's really nothing pre snap that is really putting

536
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,919
Speaker 3: the defense into any sort of blender whatsoever.

537
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 2: So should they have abandoned the run in the second half.

538
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 3: The way that they were trying to run the ball. Yeah,

539
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 3: because they weren't going to be able to run the

540
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,919
Speaker 3: ball that way. You know, if they had something else

541
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,160
Speaker 3: that they could have gone to in the running game,

542
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 3: you know, a left hook or something like that, that

543
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,360
Speaker 3: would have caught the Raiders off guard.

544
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,120
Speaker 6: And shit, it's a fair question that you're at. I mean,

545
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 6: it's the chicken or the egg. Did they abandon the

546
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 6: run and that's why they didn't run the ball in

547
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:07,880
Speaker 6: the second half, or did they not do anything well

548
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 6: in the second half and they didn't have enough place

549
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 6: to run the ball and pass it. But you're not

550
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 6: wrong to ask the question. They only ran it I

551
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 6: think twice legitimately. I think there was like a scramble

552
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 6: for me. So even like the runs in the second

553
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:24,120
Speaker 6: half weren't really designed runs. I think they had one

554
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 6: to to Mario Douglas and one to Antonio Gibson. I

555
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 6: think they only had two actual running plays in the

556
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,199
Speaker 6: second half, which you can look at that and say

557
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 6: that that's not enough. You can't do that. But I

558
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,719
Speaker 6: do wonder had they knock gone three and out whatever

559
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 6: I think it was three times in a row or

560
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 6: something like that. Right, you know, you get a first

561
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,160
Speaker 6: down and does that you know, like the first down

562
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 6: throw to Hunter Henry as an example on the second

563
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 6: possession of the second half. If that's complete, do you

564
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 6: run the ball in the next play on second and three? Yeah,

565
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 6: you know, but because he overthrows him, now it's second

566
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 6: and ten. I meant to run the ball in second down,

567
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 6: but now I can't. Yeah, you wonder there's a chicken

568
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 6: or the egg thing.

569
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think two people are so primed I think

570
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 4: to be terrified of the pass protection that I heard

571
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 4: David Andrews say the same thing, like he was okay

572
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 4: with the pass protection, but really the run blocking and

573
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 4: you know, just the coordination of the run game that

574
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 4: was really concerning to me.

575
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 6: The pass protection was not terrible.

576
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 4: Ina, I think it's an easy place to start looking

577
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 4: forward that if you can get the run game going early,

578
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 4: take some pressure off of Drake, not have to force

579
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 4: him to be perfect, and open up some of those

580
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 4: opportunities downfield for play action. You know, it's an easy

581
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,360
Speaker 4: place to start with fixes get the run game.

582
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 6: A quick question from Mike and Evan, because you guys

583
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 6: definitely do more of the draft prep work, right, How

584
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 6: was Drake in college on zone reads as like a

585
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 6: potential runner.

586
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 4: That's another one.

587
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think mostly they use him in

588
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 3: that capacity in like shorty ard angelot red zone, Like

589
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 3: I don't think you're Lamar Jackson first and ten from

590
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 3: the thirty five and we're going to zone rea.

591
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,239
Speaker 6: So like first play of a two minute drill and

592
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 6: at the end of the first half as an example,

593
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 6: but when I'm asking it, because some guys, whether or

594
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 6: not they're dynamic runners, is not necessarily the key on

595
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,919
Speaker 6: his own read like does he sell the fake well?

596
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 6: Does he hold it long enough, does he threaten that end?

597
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 6: Does he force that? I mean, you were watching in

598
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 6: Evan's point. Again, no one's comparing him to Lamar Jackson.

599
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,719
Speaker 6: But what Lamar Jackson was doing the Buffalo the other

600
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 6: night was unbelievable. How he was getting those guys to

601
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 6: get on an island and commit. Now, eventually they finally

602
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 6: made a couple of plays on him, Joey Bosa, who

603
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 6: I thought actually looked pretty good, but you talk about

604
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 6: a tough, tough assignment for a guy having to deal

605
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 6: with that. You could see him as soon as Bosa

606
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 6: would make a step here, Lamar's out the back door

607
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 6: as soon as he takes a step up feeling he's.

608
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 4: Handing it takes one step.

609
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 6: Is that something that Drake may it was any good

610
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 6: at at North Carolina sort of putting that defensive end

611
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 6: on an island.

612
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he can do it, but it's not

613
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 3: even just like you could also put pass routes on.

614
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 3: It took with our pos and so that way there,

615
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 3: you know you have it's all numbers. It's all like

616
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 3: the run game is all numbers. You have to have

617
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 3: as many numbers of blockers as there are defenders, and

618
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 3: you want to keep the furthest guy away from the ball.

619
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 3: If you're going to have to leave somebody unblocked, you

620
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 3: want to keep him as the unblocked defender, which gets

621
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 3: into all the mic points and all the adjustments from

622
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 3: you know, pre snap fronts and things like that. And

623
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 3: I just look at the way that they tried to

624
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 3: run the ball on Sunday and I just think it's

625
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 3: too vanilla. Like I just I don't I think that

626
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 3: the Raiders are just going to tee off and every

627
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 3: other team is just gonna tee off on the line

628
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 3: of scrimmage.

629
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 2: Rabel's answer to the run question on Monday, not on

630
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 2: the EI, it was when he was at the podium.

631
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 2: I thought it was a lot of gibberish. I thought

632
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 2: he like he started talking about things that they were.

633
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 6: Doing, the one about the play call. I start the

634
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 6: answer that started about the play call to me was.

635
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: It was talking about like on time, well, well they

636
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 2: were doing different things, and he just went on and

637
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 2: on and on. It's like, I don't know, man, I

638
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 2: didn't think the running game was that complicated. You know,

639
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 2: it's had It's like, you know, just know your assignment,

640
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 2: so you know, I don't know.

641
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 4: I don't know.

642
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 7: It's almost like it was overthinking it.

643
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 6: I don't know what Mike's theory was with the way

644
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 6: he answered some of those questions, but I did find

645
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 6: it kind of interesting. And you can, I know my

646
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 6: shows have taken it the way that my shows generally do.

647
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 6: They turn it into a soap opera? Is he calling

648
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 6: out Josh McDaniels. I'm not ready to say that. But

649
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 6: I did find it interesting that you're asking about your

650
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 6: stable of running backs, which is you know, you had

651
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 6: some firepower there, and then the answer is, well, you know,

652
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 6: it comes down to a lot of things. We got

653
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 6: to get the play in on time.

654
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that all that stuff is more important.

655
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 6: That's the but that's the first thing that comes out. No,

656
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 6: we understand that the lack of the run. No one's

657
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 6: saying that ramondre Stevenson Trevion Henderson were the reason why

658
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 6: they couldn't run the ball. No one would say that, right.

659
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 6: Would you say that it was Trevion Henderson's fault that

660
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 6: they couldn't run the ball the other day or or

661
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 6: oh no, but you would say it was Minder Stevenson's though,

662
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 6: based on the look on your face. But they had

663
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 6: no room to run. I mean both guys they had

664
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,479
Speaker 6: one or two races all over them. I mean they

665
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 6: neither one of them had really, It's not like they

666
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 6: O jesup. He had just got back here like there

667
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 6: was nothing. No, so we know it's a you know,

668
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 6: it's blocking, its schemes, its sequenced. But like to start with,

669
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 6: we got to get the play call in on time,

670
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 6: and we got like is he calling out the operation there?

671
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 3: Well, I think the play call and on time might

672
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 3: stem from the fact that the quarterback is the one

673
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 3: setting all the mic points at the line of scrimmage.

674
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 3: So if he doesn't have time to get to the

675
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 3: line of scrimmage and start calling things, and that's why

676
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 3: they got called for a delay a game. Drake said

677
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 3: that after the game that he was trying to get

678
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 3: them out of a play and into a better play

679
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 3: and it just took too long. And so maybe that

680
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 3: that was where that was coming from. Maybe I just

681
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 3: I look at it and you know, you said scheme

682
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 3: and blocking like that, that they did not block well

683
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 3: in the run game, and the scheme was not good enough.

684
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 3: And now they had a couple of wrinkles and the

685
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 3: gun runs with you know, they had a shovel pass

686
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 3: read in there they had was.

687
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 6: A nice little wrinkle for fourteen yards. That was the

688
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 6: best running play they had.

689
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say that in the in the power

690
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,959
Speaker 3: shovel were probably the two best. But like it, just

691
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 3: if they can't run the football, then I just don't

692
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 3: know how you build off of anything, like you're just

693
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 3: you don't have enough fire.

694
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 2: Do you think Campbell was affected by the ankle. I

695
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 2: thought he looked a little slow coming out of his stance,

696
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: like when he was pulling.

697
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: No.

698
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 3: I actually I didn't think that. I didn't really see

699
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 3: any limitations with him physically. I thought he held up

700
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 3: really well in this game, and both him and Jared

701
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 3: Wilson kind of ran out of gas at the end,

702
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 3: which you know, first game conditioning.

703
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,959
Speaker 6: A lot of plays type things, a lot of plays

704
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 6: and a lot of consecutive dropbacks.

705
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I would think the false starts would probably

706
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 3: be related to fatigue. And then Jared Wilson, I know

707
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 3: some of the pressure numbers out there aren't very good,

708
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 3: but a lot of those came late in the game,

709
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 3: you know.

710
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, good last time.

711
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 6: I didn't think I didn't think it was it was terrible,

712
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 6: and I don't think it was great. I think they

713
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 6: they definitely schemed around it. They gave Morgan Moses, I

714
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 6: thought a significant amount of help on Crosby, and Crosby

715
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 6: still was active.

716
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 4: But I don't this game didn't break down.

717
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 6: Because they couldn't.

718
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 4: Right, It didn't look like they couldn't pass.

719
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 2: Cluster that you saw at times last.

720
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 3: Now, if they get that level of left tackle play

721
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 3: from Campbell for the whole year, then then they'll be okay,

722
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 3: Like he's not he's not, you know, Trent Williams, Like

723
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 3: he's not a difference maker necessarily at that level but

724
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 3: it's significantly better.

725
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I hope people enjoyed at least what

726
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 2: they were eating, because you know, football fans know that

727
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 2: traditions matter. Turning moments together into something truly epic. There

728
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,959
Speaker 2: would inspire us to make our maasa until Mostito's the

729
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 2: traditional way, starting with whole corn kernels, no artificial flavors, colors,

730
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: or preservatives, all to give you that perfect crunch. Discover

731
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 2: your next tradition this football season. Head to the store,

732
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 2: grab your Tostito's team bag and scan the code for

733
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 2: a chance to score an epic experience with the Patriots. Tostitos.

734
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 2: Tradition matters, So.

735
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 4: Who does Paul was asking me what masa was yesterday.

736
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 4: We're trying to figure that out corn corn.

737
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 2: They added a nice, nice wrinkle in the pro press

738
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,479
Speaker 2: box this weeks.

739
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like they bring those out for big games. Yeah,

740
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 3: season opener Sunday Night Football and.

741
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 4: My steak tips and Kish Let's go.

742
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 2: They should take requests from the visiting uh media, like

743
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 2: you know, pull them like on Monday before the game.

744
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 2: What would you like?

745
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 3: I've heard some uh you know about how that's all done.

746
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 3: It's like almost like planning a wedding, you have to

747
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 3: have a head count and you put you know, it's

748
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 3: like you put the order in with the caterer ahead

749
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 3: of time, and then you have to pick out a

750
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 3: menu and it's kind of a whole process. Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's.

751
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 6: A good like the Tampas does. Tampa still has a

752
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 6: good spread and like the carving station.

753
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 3: Some places definitely have station. Oh yeah, quite a few have,

754
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 3: Like Miami has carbon station.

755
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 4: And Miami does horse ratus with that, like the horse

756
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 4: ratish sauce with the carving station.

757
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 2: That's actually Miami is one of the worst. Agreed, they

758
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 2: are one of the worst offense. The press box and

759
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 2: the food is the worst.

760
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 4: Press box not great.

761
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 6: I've never noticed really anything out of the ordinary about

762
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 6: the food. But I agree with you guys on the

763
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 6: location of the press box, and like the whole setup

764
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 6: is not ideal.

765
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: All right, So we're not happy, and I don't think

766
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: that they are either. And when I say they, I

767
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 2: mean football.

768
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 3: Well, I will give Deuce's defense maybe a little bit

769
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 3: of flowers. I thought defensively, I at least saw like

770
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 3: an identity of like how they want to play defensively,

771
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 3: and they made some plays on that side of the

772
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 3: football that I was like, Okay, this is this is

773
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 3: what they want to be, you know, this is how

774
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 3: they want to play. They blitzed a lot more than

775
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 3: I was expecting, and they got burned by it a

776
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 3: couple of times, you know, on big, big plays in

777
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 3: the game. But overall, like I thought, they they play

778
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 3: with good energy, good aggression.

779
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 2: I'm the one where everyone's pointing to where Carlton Davis

780
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 2: got beat. It was an all out blitz. I'm sorry,

781
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 2: but like that's a fine call. You just can't have that.

782
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 3: Oh I hated.

783
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 6: I know a lot of people hated the I had

784
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 6: no pride and I were talking about in the post game,

785
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 6: and I agree with Fred only because of I feel

786
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 6: like the desperation of the situation there. It's really not

787
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 6: enough to force a a punt. I think you needed

788
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 6: to get the ball back and I think they went

789
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,919
Speaker 6: after it and you cannot get beat over the top

790
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 6: in that situation if you're Davis. Well, but it's it's

791
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 6: it's cover zero, yeah, so just give give him a

792
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 6: huge cushion, let him catch the ball and tackle him

793
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 6: and to tackle him and get off the field. And

794
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 6: they punt. But I think you if you're Terrell Williams there,

795
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,439
Speaker 6: you're going after a strip sack. You're trying to maybe

796
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 6: get in his face, tip a pass in the air,

797
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 6: and you know, do what they the Patriots did to

798
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 6: the Falcons in the Super Bowl. Like it's not enough

799
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 6: for us to just let them run, you know, the

800
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 6: play and then punts. We're not we don't have enough time,

801
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 6: like I understand normally like third and twenty all out

802
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 6: blitz not ideal, right, I think the situation of the game, yeah,

803
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 6: they needed to try to do something desperate in that

804
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 6: call for that and you know your best corner.

805
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 4: I trust I can't get beat by a rookie.

806
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 2: I gotta trust Carlton Davis to not get beat like that.

807
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, you know, hats off to Eldred by the way.

808
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 6: You know it's Dante Thornton. I know he him and

809
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 6: he made he made one. I mean he wasn't a

810
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 6: huge part of the game, but he made made a

811
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 6: play there.

812
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 3: I I guess what agreed third and twenty from your

813
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 3: your twenty six and you send the house. I mean

814
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 3: DeMarcus Covington did this last year against the Rams and

815
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 3: went for a seventy yard touchdown.

816
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 6: Okay, but that was in the middle of the game. Yeah,

817
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 6: but there wasn't like a do or die play like

818
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 6: if that, if that passes, the game is kind of

819
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 6: still over.

820
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 3: Make him check it down for eight yards and punt

821
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 3: the football. I don't understand.

822
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 4: And that's what Carlton Davis should have done.

823
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 6: But Carls that is coming up and biting on a

824
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 6: kind of a half aass double move. It wasn't really

825
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 6: even a great He bites on the route because he

826
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 6: thinks the ball's coming out because there's supposed to be pressure,

827
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 6: like it's covered zero.

828
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 3: You can't just expected.

829
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 2: But his job is to get that, make sure that

830
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 2: you don't get beat.

831
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 6: Can't get He can't a guy run by.

832
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 3: I mean, his job is he's on an island, like

833
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 3: he's by.

834
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: Fine, stay on the island, don't leave the island.

835
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 3: Okay, I know he left left.

836
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 4: I don't know how you.

837
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 3: Can defend sending the house on third and twenty.

838
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 2: Because you needed to make something happen.

839
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 6: I'm trying to expl I mean, if you don't agree

840
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 6: with Fred and I that's I mean, that's certainly it's

841
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 6: not a no brainer.

842
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 4: Here, but a lot of people, most people agree with you.

843
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 6: I just don't think forcing a punt. I think the

844
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 6: game was still over, the damage was done. If we

845
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,959
Speaker 6: want to go back the punt that the Patriots did

846
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 6: on fourth and twenty for mid I mean fourth and

847
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 6: ten from midfield, like is throwing a white flag up?

848
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 2: If you ask me, I just yeah, that was earlier.

849
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 3: If I was, like, you even have Marcus Jones returning

850
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 3: the punt, like why Marcus Jones flips the field position? Like,

851
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 3: and that's a situation. The last thing that you can

852
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 3: do is give up a first down. It's third and twenty.

853
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 3: You can't give up a first down. And they left

854
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 3: Carlon Davis on an island and he jumped the route

855
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 3: thinking it's cover zero, this ball's coming out.

856
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 6: I'm gonna I'm gonna jumping routes.

857
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 3: I just told you why, because there's no need to.

858
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 4: Fred just explained to you. Just let him catch it.

859
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 4: Just let him catch it and tackle.

860
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 3: Go call up the mccordy's and ask him what as

861
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 3: them when you send the house as a defensive back,

862
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 3: what are you doing?

863
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,399
Speaker 6: But you had twenty yards not seven, Like you didn't

864
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 6: have to be at his grill.

865
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 4: He doesn't let him catch it and tackle him.

866
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: Just make sure he doesn't get the first It's the

867
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 2: same thing.

868
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 6: I thought that call, and I thought the third and eleven,

869
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 6: third and eleven thousand percent with you. One third and

870
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 6: eleven from the twenty six was sending the house. That

871
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 6: to me didn't make any.

872
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 7: To me, that's instinct football.

873
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 6: There's no desperation. Third and eleven from the twenty six.

874
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 6: Let him catch a short crossing route or something, make

875
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 6: him check it down, tackle.

876
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 4: Him kick a field goal.

877
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's good red zone defense, even though they weren't

878
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 6: quite in the red zone. The red zone, you know

879
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 6: what I mean that. I'm not thousand percent with Evan.

880
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 6: I understand your point about the logistics of it. I

881
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 6: just feel like the game situation called for we need

882
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 6: to take the ball away.

883
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 3: If you were, if they were in scoring territory and

884
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 3: you're trying to get a sack to knock them out

885
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 3: of field goal range or something like that, then I

886
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 3: can be sold on sending the house there. But they

887
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 3: have the whole like it's it's it's like the twenty

888
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 3: six yard line.

889
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 6: Oh that was terrible.

890
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 3: You know, you just you can't. It's too aggressive.

891
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 6: And on top of all of that, the call, how

892
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 6: do you end up with Jalen Hawkins one on one

893
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 6: with Trey Tucker.

894
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 3: Because Marcus Jones blitzed right?

895
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 6: No, But this is what I'm saying, So even if

896
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 6: you're going to do that, why don't you have Marcus

897
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 6: Jones be the guy that stays back and have Jalen

898
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 6: Hawkins be the guy who blitzes. Jones is a better

899
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 6: cover guy. Okay? And they also on that play, if

900
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 6: if I if I have my plays, remember properly, I'm

901
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 6: not a big fan of anything that involves Christian Barmore

902
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 6: in Milton Williams retreating. Wasn't that the play They kind

903
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,720
Speaker 6: of put everybody up the line. They would disguise itself here.

904
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 3: And some some chords here for me.

905
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 6: Okay, So I'll just let them.

906
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 3: It's part of the scheme. So they're simulating pressure by

907
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 3: putting all those guys up on the line of scrimmage.

908
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,240
Speaker 3: So when the blocker goes to engage with Christian Barmore

909
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 3: and Milton Williams, all their job there is just to

910
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 3: occupy the blockers. It's not necessarily that they drop them

911
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 3: into coverage Like this isn't Matt Patricia dropping Trey Flowers

912
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 3: into coverage all the time. Like, so they when they

913
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 3: go to rush, the idea is to get the line

914
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 3: to block in and so that Marcus Jones coming from

915
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 3: the nickel is unblocked off the edge. Now, to the

916
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 3: Raiders credit, they left the tight end in and they

917
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 3: sniffed it out. They were ready for it. So they

918
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 3: ended up getting hat on a hat anyways and blocking

919
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 3: everybody that was coming. But the popouts, those are called

920
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 3: hot zones, and like really you expect when you send

921
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 3: the pressure that they're going to run like a slant

922
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 3: or something like that over the middle of the field

923
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 3: right behind the pressure. So the idea is to pop

924
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 3: those guys out, get their hands up in the passing

925
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 3: lanes and take away those underneath crossers and things like

926
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,280
Speaker 3: that to get the ball out of the quarterback's hands quickly,

927
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 3: so you know in that spot. Like it's I think

928
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 3: it's more complicated than just saying they drop them into coverage.

929
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 3: Like I get that that was what ended up happening,

930
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 3: but that that I think is I.

931
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 6: Just want those guys being involved in getting after the

932
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 6: quarterback all the time.

933
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 4: Those two guys I don't think.

934
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 6: Should ever be involved in sort of tricking the other

935
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 6: team into trying to.

936
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 4: Do those are the who well who is like, Yeah,

937
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,720
Speaker 4: I think we're getting a lot of defensive.

938
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 6: Like the guys on the edge, you know, Landry and

939
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 6: chase them at least if I'm going to drop them,

940
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 6: I don't necessarily want to do that with them either.

941
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,919
Speaker 6: But at least they have some mobility and they can

942
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 6: disrupt in some of those zones and and you know,

943
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 6: getting the getting passing lanes.

944
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 4: They have some what is like Milton William's going to

945
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 4: be doing.

946
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 3: So you have to like if you drop the ends out,

947
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 3: what you can do. But if you drop the ends out,

948
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 3: then the tackles are uncovered. So the idea is to

949
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 3: get all five linemen engaged in the block and that

950
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 3: way there when the tight end goes out for his

951
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 3: pattern and Marcus Jones blitzes, Marcus Jones is supposed to

952
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 3: be unblocked in this situation. The Raiders they had the

953
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 3: right protection on and they just they got it blocked

954
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 3: to their Yeah.

955
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 6: I don't want to take away the credit from the

956
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 6: Raiders too, because they made they made a lot of

957
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 6: good plays in this game, and they had a lot

958
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 6: of things that they got the.

959
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 4: Coaching gedge in. Did Devin White? I get Devin White

960
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 4: had a good game? He did? He did the problem.

961
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 3: Jamal Adam said, good game.

962
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 2: It was a guy that was on my radar in

963
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 2: that draft, that linebacker Devin White. I was that was

964
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 2: the cold strange draft, right.

965
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 6: Oh, Devin White's been in the league for a long time.

966
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 2: Really okay, Well my thinking of Devin maybe, yeah, okay,

967
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 2: same thing.

968
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 6: Definitely mobile lineback mobile a big difference in career.

969
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: Though.

970
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,919
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I can't have any this is just yeah,

971
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 3: getting wound up over well.

972
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 4: I mean but Maddy p would have gone your route.

973
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,240
Speaker 4: Matty P would have been like, we're gonna rush three

974
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 4: on third and twenty and you know, like, I mean,

975
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 4: there's this like there's no right or wrong answer.

976
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 6: It's just what how do you listen? I agree nine

977
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 6: game situations. I agree with with the way Evan's talking about.

978
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 6: I just feel like in that situation, you needed to

979
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 6: do more than force a punt. That's all.

980
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think you're seeing from Terrell Williams that

981
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 4: they're going to err on the side of let's just

982
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 4: go get it, and.

983
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 3: I hope that was a weak one.

984
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, but how can they balance Like we

985
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 4: said all summer that there's going to be feast or

986
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 4: family with this defense, that they're going to make some

987
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 4: big plays, and that they're going to get burned from

988
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 4: some big plays. I just don't think we thought they

989
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 4: would be what ten plays in nineteen yards or more.

990
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: Like.

991
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 4: They have to cut that down.

992
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 6: I would say that in terms of the defense, they run,

993
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 6: the ability to stop the run was a very pleasant

994
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 6: surprise to me.

995
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 4: I don't think anything else was.

996
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 6: Really all that good.

997
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 4: I thought that they did a good job.

998
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 6: Terrell Williams and his group did a good job of

999
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 6: finding ways to get after the passer, occasionally with some

1000
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 6: good you know. I think Hawkins had a nice blitz

1001
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 6: that resulted in a sack. I think that they dialed

1002
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:00,919
Speaker 6: up some things, but without Gonzales they struggled back there.

1003
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 3: It was it was just I was surprised by how

1004
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 3: much they miss, not because he's obvious to the opponent, right,

1005
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 3: He's obviously a great player, but they they trickled down

1006
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 3: effect really hurt them. You know, they really picked on

1007
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 3: I know Davis gave up to play late, but he

1008
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 3: really was fine for the majority of the game.

1009
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, I thought he was okay, Yeah, I agree.

1010
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:21,919
Speaker 3: But they really picked on everybody else.

1011
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, they they had a lot of success in the

1012
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 6: passing game doing whatever they wanted to do, like whether

1013
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 6: it was you know, the numbers of stuff in between

1014
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 6: the hashes, Kobe Myers, Yea Bowers. You know, we always

1015
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 6: we've been trained over the years, well, the other team's

1016
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 6: number one option will never kill them until he did

1017
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 6: mayor two.

1018
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 4: I mean, and that's just continuation of the summer.

1019
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 6: With the they had four different guys catch passes of

1020
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 6: twenty yards or more, four different guys. There were times

1021
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 6: where you know, I think Evan right off the top

1022
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 6: talked about the marriage of the covert, the rush and

1023
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 6: the coverage. You never really saw that in this game,

1024
00:44:58,719 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 6: Like I know that was a big thing for you

1025
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 6: in the postgame show now.

1026
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, talking about the RPOs too. There's

1027
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 4: a lot of space in the middle. You know, a

1028
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 4: lot of those Jacobe Myers where this linebackers get sucked

1029
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 4: up a little bit.

1030
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 6: And you can look at it and say, well, they

1031
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 6: give up twenty points and you should win a game.

1032
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 6: And I absolutely agree anytime you go up twenty points

1033
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 6: or unless you should win the game. So I wouldn't

1034
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 6: put this game on the defense. I would simply say

1035
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 6: I don't think the defense played very well. I think

1036
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 6: twenty points is not really indicative of the way the

1037
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 6: Raiders played offense. I think they easily could have scored more.

1038
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 6: The last drive of the game, as an example, they

1039
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 6: were able to hold the ball for over three minutes

1040
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 6: with three different clock stop, two timeouts for the Patriots,

1041
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 6: and the two minute warning, and they still held the

1042
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 6: ball for over three minutes protecting a ten point lead.

1043
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 6: They easily could have scored there. The previous drive that

1044
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 6: they kicked the field goal to make it ten, they

1045
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 6: had a third and short that they were easily going

1046
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 6: to pick up and Ashton Genty fell down running to

1047
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 6: the left side. If the game's tied there when they

1048
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 6: needed maybe they go for that. And there was no

1049
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 6: indication that they weren't going to get it. They were

1050
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 6: getting it all day. Yeah, in short yarded situations. So yes,

1051
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 6: they only get twenty points. I think Gino Smith kind

1052
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 6: of had his way with you again and again, hats

1053
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 6: off all you got Eldrid, Patty and Agu on you

1054
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 6: guys told me that, no, he does like to throw

1055
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 6: the ball down I knew he was an effective downfield passer,

1056
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 6: but he clearly likes to throw the ball downfield more

1057
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 6: than I gave him credit for, and again I was wrong.

1058
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 3: I just think there was enough bones there from the

1059
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 3: defense where especially in the pass rush or where they

1060
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 3: can build off of that defensively and you hope that

1061
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 3: you get Gonzo back and that makes the secondary that

1062
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 3: much better. There were a couple of instances where if

1063
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 3: the pass rush really bailed out the coverage, even there

1064
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 3: were open guys down the field, Bowers came wide open

1065
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 3: on a sale route on one play I think it

1066
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 3: was Hawkins's sack that if the pressure hadn't been there

1067
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,479
Speaker 3: would have been another big play. And so at least

1068
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 3: you had some examples of pass rush where you said, okay,

1069
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 3: you know, Milon Williams, Harold Landry. I thought those guys

1070
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 3: showed well in their debuts, so you have something to

1071
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 3: build off.

1072
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,240
Speaker 2: That's the thin line that they're going to be treading

1073
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:07,240
Speaker 2: this year with that type.

1074
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 7: You know, it's going to be important. Thank God for

1075
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 7: the pressure.

1076
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I was really encouraged by what I

1077
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 3: saw from Landry, but Milton Williams too. You know, Landry

1078
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 3: last year kind of had a down year in Tennessee.

1079
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 3: What didn't really look like he had much left and

1080
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 3: he looked more like the Very Bowl era at Titans.

1081
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 3: Landry and Milton Williams was as advertised and for sure.

1082
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 2: So what's you know? I want to turn it over

1083
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 2: to the listeners and viewers in a second. But from

1084
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 2: what you saw, is this fixable?

1085
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 7: Like what well, I.

1086
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 4: Wouldn't call it fixable. I would just say, is this

1087
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 4: the start of something?

1088
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 5: You know?

1089
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 4: Like that's to me, Yes, there are things to.

1090
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 2: Fail, everything's to start to something. Is it something good

1091
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 2: as something bad?

1092
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 5: No?

1093
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 4: I mean I look I and I'd say, specifically with

1094
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 4: the defense, they got a ways to go. They don't

1095
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 4: have the right personnel, they don't have much depth, and

1096
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 4: there's also probably a more than a couple of players

1097
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 4: on the defense right now that are kind of placeholders

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Speaker 4: till next year. So you know, once it all comes

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Speaker 4: they have a personality on defense. They're going to be aggressive,

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Speaker 4: They're going to go after it. They have some pieces

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Speaker 4: been a consistent, productive player. But they're going to have

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Speaker 4: to come together on both sides of the ball and

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Speaker 4: really start to look like a team, play like a team.

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Speaker 4: And you know, starts with a run on the offensive

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Speaker 4: side also just starts Drake. Calm down, bro, you know,

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Speaker 4: calm down. Can we take some pressure off of him?

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Speaker 4: Can we? You know, I know they didn't. They got

1113
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Speaker 4: the lead in this game, but I think that's very

1114
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Speaker 4: important is to get a good start, get the run

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Speaker 7: So is it, Eric Evan?

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Speaker 2: Are you thinking that this offense has to be balanced

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Speaker 2: in order to be successful.

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I just don't really see a path for them to

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Speaker 3: be a viable offense without balance. I just don't think

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Speaker 3: that they have the pass game infrastructure to be a

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Speaker 3: high volume passing game. And that's not just Drake may

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Speaker 3: It's the offensive line, it's the receivers. Like you don't

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Speaker 3: look at them on paper and say this team should

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Speaker 3: throw the ball forty times a game, Like, it's just

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Speaker 3: not how they're built. So if they're gonna be a

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Speaker 3: good offense this year, then it has to all kind

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Speaker 3: of stem off of having early down success, run game play, action,

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Speaker 3: you know that sort of thing. And I think that's

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Speaker 3: what suits him the best too. Like I think when

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Speaker 3: you ask Drake May to keep dropping back and keep

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Speaker 3: dropping back, it starts to snowball on him sometimes in

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Speaker 3: terms of the inaccuracies. When he's throwing the ball forty

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Speaker 3: six times, it just you start to see higher volumes

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Speaker 3: If you can limit his dropbacks, limit the exposure of

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Speaker 12: Hey, guys, how you doing goody good? Just a couple

1158
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Speaker 12: of things. I wanted to kind of mention and go

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Speaker 12: over and see what you guys thought about it.

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Speaker 13: I'll keep it, I'll keep it breathed.

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Speaker 12: But the first thing, I want to know how you

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Speaker 12: guys felt about what's in the safety. I was kind

1163
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 12: of in and out of the game, but every time

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Speaker 12: I seemed like I saw him on the screen and

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Speaker 12: you guys can see if he was like on your uplist,

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Speaker 12: on your down list, or if it was just the

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Speaker 12: random plays that I saw. Also, I wanted to mention

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Speaker 12: Kayshaun Boody. I've thought this for a couple of years now,

1170
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Speaker 12: and it seems like you know, I don't know if

1171
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Speaker 12: it's just you guys or everybody else, but when it

1172
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Speaker 12: comes to Booty, I hear sacrificial X and like kind

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Speaker 12: of a placeholder, if you will. But for the past

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Speaker 12: two years, well the past year, and then this first game,

1175
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Speaker 12: it seems like he's by far the most productive. And Paul,

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Speaker 12: I understand like one game doesn't doesn't make a difference.

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Speaker 12: And I'm not saying he's justin Jefferson out there, but

1178
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Speaker 12: it seems like he's increasingly getting better. He's starting to

1179
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Speaker 12: build a report with with May, and I feel like

1180
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Speaker 12: he's he's actually a solid number two, and I think

1181
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 12: that we should we should kind of incorporate him more

1182
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Speaker 12: into the game plan. And the last thing I'll say

1183
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Speaker 12: is Evan, I understand you, you know way more football

1184
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Speaker 12: than me, but I think every single NFL player should

1185
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 12: be able to throw a ten yard pass when they

1186
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Speaker 12: want the greats. I mean, we're not talking Gardner Minshew here,

1187
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Speaker 12: We're talking Drake May, We're talking the franchise QB. Potentially,

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Speaker 12: he needs to be able to throw seven eight yard

1189
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Speaker 12: yard balls. If he can't, then maybe.

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Speaker 13: He's not the guy.

1191
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Speaker 12: But that's that's basically can I feel like they should

1192
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Speaker 12: all be able to do that. So that's all I have, guys,

1193
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Speaker 12: and I appreciate for everything you can do, and let's

1194
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Speaker 12: take it off one thanks.

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Speaker 2: Camp.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he can do it. It's not like every

1197
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Speaker 3: single throw is a miss. It's just like if you're

1198
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Speaker 3: asking him to do that, I think you're just kind

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Speaker 3: of making him play left handed. Like I don't even

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Speaker 3: think it's necessarily canny or canty. It's just like, I

1201
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Speaker 3: don't want this offense to be built that way for

1202
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Speaker 3: a guy that has his kind of physical talent. Like,

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Speaker 3: I don't know why you would it.

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Speaker 6: Just there's a lot of guys that didn't accel at

1205
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Speaker 6: Brett Favre wasn't great at that kind of stuff. I mean,

1206
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Speaker 6: you can succeed now. Brett Favre could throw those passes,

1207
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Speaker 6: of course he could. Everybody can the.

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Speaker 4: College good ones.

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Speaker 6: Can the good ones hit him all? Yeah, Brady hit

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Speaker 6: them all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well he's a great one.

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Speaker 6: So someone some guys can't consistently do that. They can

1213
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Speaker 6: do it, they just don't do it all the time.

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Speaker 6: And when they don't, you get in trouble. And Booty

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Speaker 6: I just got finished saying like Boody was the best

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Speaker 6: player for the Patriots on Sunday, certainly offensively, what do

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Speaker 6: you think of Woodson?

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Speaker 4: I thought he was fine.

1219
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Speaker 3: He kept himself out of trouble, which.

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Speaker 7: Is I think he had a nice hit against the run.

1221
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Speaker 6: Thought I thought he was fine. I didn't notice any

1222
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Speaker 6: breakdowns for him. The other safety. I noticed a lot

1223
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Speaker 6: of breakdowns.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think when safety is a lot to me,

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Speaker 3: like a lot like the offensive line. If I don't

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Speaker 4: Bring one more thing though, like bring it out break

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Speaker 4: was that? Yeah? I mean I felt like how do

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1311
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Speaker 1: not just a drop back.

1312
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 17: Passing games are from the a lot helping the moderate

1313
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 17: orcher got there's is that just because the running was efficient,

1314
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 17: it was just wasn't you know, it wasn't one of

1315
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 17: our better plays.

1316
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 1: And again, we just have to take advantage of the

1317
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: plays that.

1318
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 17: We do call and and hit it when we have

1319
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 17: guys open, and just being able to start the second

1320
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 17: half and you know, being able to go down there

1321
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 17: and continue that drive and unfortunately, you know, not not

1322
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,959
Speaker 17: turn it over and be able to create some momentum

1323
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 17: in that situation. You talked about this real briefly after

1324
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 17: the game, but the benefit of hindsight any more thoughts

1325
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 17: about deciding to talk with roughly fires, I mean, I

1326
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 17: don't think so. I think that the way that the

1327
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,919
Speaker 17: game was going, I mean again hindsight, yeah, I mean,

1328
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 17: if we were going to get the fourth and ten

1329
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 17: and go down there and score a touchdown and stop them,

1330
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 17: and you know, but they don't let.

1331
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: Us do that.

1332
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 17: You know, we have to make a decision. You have

1333
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 17: to be decisive, and then once you do that, you

1334
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 17: have to execute on the field. And so we weren't

1335
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 17: good enough. It didn't turn out to be the right decision,

1336
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 17: and it didn't turn out to be the right execution.

1337
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, when you get into the situations.

1338
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 17: Down two scores like that everything has to be perfect,

1339
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 17: everything has to be perfect, and so that's why you

1340
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 17: have to avoid those situations at all costs.

1341
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 2: Mike on the radio this morning, talking about the run game,

1342
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 2: you mentioned something along the lines of, you know, there

1343
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 2: might be issues that a team presents us.

1344
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 4: They might be at a certain funt to them.

1345
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: We have to get away from them. What we think

1346
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 1: we have to get away from a certain route. Did

1347
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 1: they give you something that you weren't.

1348
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 17: Expecting, Well, they're just there were different pieces and different

1349
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 17: guys moving at different parts of the area, and whether

1350
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 17: we wanted to run and play at a certain player,

1351
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 17: you're never going to know. And I think we just

1352
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 17: have to rely on our base base rules based fundamentals.

1353
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 1: You know, block, block the bigs and block.

1354
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 17: The backers, and again you're going to have to do

1355
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 17: something to get the safety. And sometimes the corners are

1356
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 17: the ones that are left in some of these run games.

1357
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 17: So because you either can rpo it, you can read somebody,

1358
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 17: or they're going to have a player. Again, Wide is

1359
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 17: from the formation that that in theory is free.

1360
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: So we have to.

1361
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 17: Pick something each play and decide how we want to

1362
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 17: run it, but not be uh, you know, tentative and

1363
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 17: making sure that we're never going to be perfect, right,

1364
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 17: you just want to be precise.

1365
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 1: And I think that that's going to be the message.

1366
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 17: To us going forward, is how we improve and we

1367
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 17: can't rely and we can't think that every play is

1368
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 17: going to be perfect.

1369
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 1: It's never going to be that way.

1370
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 17: And when it isn't perfect, that we somehow have some

1371
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 17: sort of reaction.

1372
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 1: And we need to make sure that we.

1373
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 17: Have a great response and continue to stay positive and

1374
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 17: have positive plays overcome whatever penalties and things that we

1375
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 17: have to fix.

1376
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 1: And we have to protect the ball.

1377
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 17: You know, we have to keep make sure that we

1378
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 17: protect the football and it takes everybody.

1379
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 1: Michael, do you use those turns of the fret decisive? Perfect?

1380
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 1: Is that? How do you get them to that? Well,

1381
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: that's the challenge.

1382
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 17: I think everything that we do, we always want to

1383
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 17: be competitive and do it the right way. But then

1384
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 17: you know, there just can't be any sort of block

1385
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 17: that that keeps us from from just going and playing

1386
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,959
Speaker 17: a game and knowing that it's not going to look

1387
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 17: great at times, but it's going to be making a

1388
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 17: play and somebody has to do that and you know,

1389
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 17: just somebody on defense has got to beat their guy

1390
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 17: or tip a pass and accept the ball, knock it out,

1391
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 17: and just again there's a scheme to it. There is,

1392
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 17: and it's just I don't say that by going rogue.

1393
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 17: There's a scheme to it. But then throughout the course

1394
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 17: of the game there's you know, somebody makes a play.

1395
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 18: You guys were mostly successful when you blitz, but it

1396
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 18: seemed like the four man pass rushers weren't quite as effective.

1397
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 1: What did you see from the blitzer versus the four

1398
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 1: man rushes? They kind of cause that despair. Yeah, I

1399
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:50,919
Speaker 1: did like our blitz demeanor most of the day.

1400
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 17: That wasn't great, certainly on the touchdown, But I think

1401
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 17: when you blitz, it's about timing, you know, about about

1402
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 17: being where you're supposed to be, if he's supposed to

1403
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 17: come under the back to free up somebody else that's coming.

1404
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 17: You know, those things that we did and it was effective.

1405
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 17: I think we had some some good four man rushes.

1406
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 17: There were times where guys one whether we're going to

1407
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 17: rush straight or whether we're gaming, just having an understanding

1408
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 17: of where the slide is or who you're working with

1409
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 17: on a particular side whether he's going to be hind

1410
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 17: the b gap and you know you need to wrap

1411
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 17: around or where they're winning on the edge and we

1412
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 17: need great push in the middle. So those are kind

1413
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 17: of things that come up with a four man rush

1414
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 17: and we'll continue to work them.

1415
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 1: Uh, you know, I can't can't live in a in

1416
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 1: a blitz world, Beach.

1417
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 4: What a lot of him to start the season up strong,

1418
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 4: And how much growth did you see you from the.

1419
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 6: Off season of top down unless we just said it

1420
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 6: was sort of the nine day between him a professionals

1421
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 6: in the sprint.

1422
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, just that's a lot of positives there.

1423
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 17: I think his comfort level and us and everybody and

1424
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 17: what we're doing, and let's say his professionalism, the way

1425
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 17: he came in and prepared and.

1426
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 1: I knew a lot of spots.

1427
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 17: You know, I played a bunch of different positions in camp,

1428
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 17: which gave him a really good role which then then grew.

1429
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 1: I think the quarterback trusts him.

1430
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 17: I think he's got good, good play strength and at

1431
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 17: the top of the route, and so just looking forward

1432
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 17: to continue to improve and you know, so I'm happy

1433
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 17: for him that he's been able to have success from

1434
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 17: from the spring till now, Starry, I.

1435
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 19: Think when it comes to the running backs and who

1436
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 19: you put on the field of the seventy one steps,

1437
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 19: that if Romandre had the bulk of him, was this

1438
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 19: sort of predetermined or how much of that is based

1439
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 19: on the movie game?

1440
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 17: Well, I mean, I think some of it is just

1441
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 17: based on the play and the flow of the game

1442
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 17: and knowing that they're all going to have a role,

1443
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 17: and Treyveon is going to have a role, and you know,

1444
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 17: Ramandre is going to do some things. So I don't

1445
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 17: think it's ever going to be perfect, and we have

1446
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 17: to evaluate everything to make sure that we're getting it

1447
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 17: right based on volume, who's playing, who's getting the ball,

1448
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 17: who's trying to get the ball. It's hard to always

1449
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 17: dictate when we throw it who gets it. But you know,

1450
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 17: whatever the scheme is, that we're executing it and being

1451
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 17: able to stay balanced.

1452
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 2: Seem jets yesterday just not having thought well, I think

1453
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 2: that there was an energy I thought that, you know,

1454
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 2: I mean, he made a nice few.

1455
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 1: You know, splash plays, a few productive plays.

1456
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 17: It blitzed well, and you found the quarterback and I

1457
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 17: was in great position on the tip ball, and then

1458
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 17: some mistackles showed up, and those things we have to correct,

1459
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 17: so against trying to put it in the buckets and

1460
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 17: continuing to teach the good, the bad and the stuff

1461
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 17: that gets you beat and we have to, you know,

1462
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 17: make sure that we're fixing the bad stuff and then

1463
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 17: eliminating the stuff that gets as beaten. You know, understanding,

1464
01:04:56,720 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 17: you know all the little details of all three phases

1465
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 17: and putting it, putting.

1466
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 1: It together, tie it together.

1467
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 17: You know, defense had three three and outs and we

1468
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 17: managed three points, like that's complimentary. Football is not going

1469
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 17: to exist and we're not gonna win games if our

1470
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 17: defense can do that. And we only managed three points.

1471
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 17: So there'll be times that, you know, we're going to

1472
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 17: need the offense to help us and and and possess

1473
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 17: the football longer to help the defense. And when we

1474
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 17: get three and outs like that, the offense is going

1475
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 17: to have to do something. And when we do kickfield goals,

1476
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 17: we'll have to make them. So again just showing everybody

1477
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 17: how those things tie in. And then we talked about

1478
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 17: the second half, and I think we got into the

1479
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 17: drive and then quickly got out of the drive and

1480
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 17: then we gave up a touchdown, So.

1481
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 1: You know it was.

1482
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 4: Tough and now great moments in.

1483
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 2: History begging tripped and sprained your.

1484
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 4: Ankles and what happens when you run.

1485
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 16: I sprain mikle pretty bad. That's why you gave it up, right, Yeah,

1486
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 16: Paul's not running.

1487
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 4: I've never fallen down while walking. I'm just saying the

1488
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 4: kindly park ranger trovy homes that cross country stump in

1489
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 4: the woods.

1490
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 16: I did have to get a ride home today though,

1491
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 16: thankfully that was that was that was Megan this morning.

1492
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, thankfully. I'm like, so I got a ride home.

1493
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 7: I can't go on the park range that comes riding

1494
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 7: over Jake Steel.

1495
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 2: You know, would you like to look at the red well.

1496
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 16: I was a little nervous because I got the ride

1497
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 16: home from this park ranger, but I didn't want him

1498
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 16: to know where I live because that's trying to creepy.

1499
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 4: Good.

1500
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 7: We have like the hat on and the shorts and everything.

1501
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, shorts, yes man, no mustache?

1502
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 3: Right, he had his socks arboretum car.

1503
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 16: It was labeled and everything. And I run through there often,

1504
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 16: so I'm gonna see him again, and now he knows

1505
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 16: where I live, so I don't really I don't really

1506
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 16: like that I wanted him to drop me off like

1507
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 16: a little ways away, but I really couldn't walk, so

1508
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 16: it left me.

1509
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 4: You're fine, actually no kick on?

1510
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 2: No wait yet.

1511
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 16: Then it would be awkward because I'd be limping down

1512
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 16: the sidewalk and.

1513
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 7: Here, let me show you how to make a campfire.

1514
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 2: You have to rub.

1515
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 4: Why do you always have to take way too?

1516
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 11: They have to do it.

1517
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 7: That's another great moment from.

1518
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 2: All right back here on Patriot sunfiltered at eight five

1519
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 2: to five. Pass five hundred is the hotline podcast at

1520
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 2: Patriots dot com is the email address. Bob in Southern

1521
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 2: California writes, and he says, I'm not surprised at the outcome.

1522
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 2: How many new faces are we seeing in the first game.

1523
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 2: You can practice all you want, but game action matters.

1524
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 2: Vrabel was visibly pissed, and I think some of it

1525
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 2: has to do with the offensive play calling. You can't

1526
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 2: expect forty to fifty passes a game. They didn't put

1527
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:00,960
Speaker 2: our playmakers in a position to succeed.

1528
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 4: So who would those be?

1529
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:07,080
Speaker 2: By the way the playmakers.

1530
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,920
Speaker 4: Henderson, eleven touches not enough for Douglas.

1531
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 3: It was the type of touches we already.

1532
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 6: With seven targets not enough for him.

1533
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 3: We already talked about Wes with Henderson.

1534
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would have given him a wheel road absolutely,

1535
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:23,599
Speaker 6: based on what I saw in the summer. That's something

1536
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 6: that I think should be part of the equation. But

1537
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 6: I just think that you guys are inventing playmakers that

1538
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 6: they don't have.

1539
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 2: Adam and Louisiana Paul speaking out of both sides of

1540
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:37,760
Speaker 2: his mouth, he says, they are sending the house because

1541
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 2: they need to take the ball away. Then that's why

1542
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 2: Davis jumps the route. He's jumping the route to take

1543
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 2: the ball away. Then he says, well let him catch

1544
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 2: it and tackle him short. If you're gonna a fair point.

1545
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 2: If you're just gonna let them catch it and tackle

1546
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:51,759
Speaker 2: them short, why send the house. Just play a normal defense.

1547
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 2: I'm with Evan on this. You can't give up the

1548
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 2: first down, get them to fourth down, and see if

1549
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 2: your offense can try to move the ball to scall.

1550
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:00,839
Speaker 4: The Davis thing with the turnover.

1551
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 6: That's a fair point because he is jumping the route,

1552
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:05,560
Speaker 6: probably with his mind saying it's not enough of me

1553
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 6: to just tackle him.

1554
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 2: That's a very fair I don't know, but I can

1555
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,840
Speaker 2: it's a very fair retort, I know, but I could

1556
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:14,680
Speaker 2: also say if it's not working, if you see it,

1557
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:16,719
Speaker 2: we're not getting there up front.

1558
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 7: But you can't be the guy.

1559
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 2: I know, but you can't be the guy. I just

1560
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:22,600
Speaker 2: remember the last resort.

1561
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 3: I'm in twenty nineteen when they ran a lot of

1562
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 3: cover zero, Boogeyman defense, all that stuff. I just remember

1563
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 3: talking to Devin and Jason mccordy about cover zero and

1564
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 3: how you play defense because you're on an island with

1565
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 3: no help. So you are one on one in a

1566
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 3: deep part of the field with absolutely no help.

1567
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 6: So how do you do that?

1568
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 3: And they both laughed and said the pass rusher better

1569
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 3: get effing home. That's what they said. Sure, So if

1570
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 3: you're going to run that defense and you're going to

1571
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:56,760
Speaker 3: send the house, it's not like the onus is not

1572
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 3: on Carlton Davis to make the play. The play is

1573
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 3: supposed to be up front. Yeaw, to Gino's credit, they

1574
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 3: actually did get some pressure on that play.

1575
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 4: Bought himself a little.

1576
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, he made a hell of a throw and you

1577
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 3: gotta tip your cap.

1578
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 6: I like that because that that is true. Like I'm

1579
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:17,679
Speaker 6: looking for a turnover. So Davis probably is too. Yeah,

1580
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 6: and that's why he's he's jumping a little bit. That's

1581
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 6: a good counter and you usually.

1582
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 3: Think the ball's coming out because there should be pressure

1583
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:26,840
Speaker 3: on the quarterback right, so he shouldn't have you know,

1584
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 3: time back there to unload a forty yard deep ball.

1585
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 6: So it just on that one.

1586
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 3: I think you can chop that up to the play.

1587
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 2: Call Iowa Tim. I watched the recorded game. A few observations.

1588
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 2: I wonder if some of Campbell's penalties were from being

1589
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 2: tired first game and recorders O line never came out. Also,

1590
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:47,760
Speaker 2: too many zero to five yard passes. Need to move

1591
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:50,880
Speaker 2: the routes into the ten to twenty yard range. One

1592
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 2: concern I have is Josh coached his best with Brady.

1593
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 2: He needed to move away from Brady. Brake should be

1594
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:58,879
Speaker 2: rolling right or left, move the pocket, let Drake improvise

1595
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 2: at times. Best way to give Drake more time while

1596
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 2: he gets better.

1597
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 7: Just some thoughts.

1598
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:06,640
Speaker 3: I think he looks great every single time they move

1599
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 3: the pocket. Now they hit one to Hooper, a little

1600
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:12,639
Speaker 3: crossing route and the red zone for about ten yards

1601
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 3: doing it. I just think he looks really natural doing it,

1602
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 3: and he can throw on the run like that. And

1603
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:20,640
Speaker 3: he can vomit like he doesn't have limitations from an

1604
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 3: arm talent standpoint. But in order to really get the

1605
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 3: bootlegs going, you have to be able to run the ball,

1606
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:29,639
Speaker 3: Like you have to keep them honest by getting outside

1607
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:32,639
Speaker 3: zone going and getting them to respect the run game

1608
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 3: to run those boots. But I couldn't agree more. But

1609
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 3: I think getting him out into space and letting him

1610
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 3: use his legs to either boot and throw or even

1611
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 3: if there's nothing there, he can just run himself. It's

1612
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 3: it's something they need to do more of.

1613
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:48,880
Speaker 4: Let's go, Mike, Mike, you've got something on you.

1614
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 2: I want to say, Okay, go ahead, you want to

1615
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 2: save it?

1616
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:54,760
Speaker 4: Or well, somebody's been thinking about do you think that

1617
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 4: NFL teams really have no clue what they have until

1618
01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 4: week one? I mean, do you really do anybody really

1619
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:01,680
Speaker 4: know unless you I mean established team, you know, but

1620
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 4: especially for a new team with so many new pieces,

1621
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 4: like did they just get truth bombed? And you know,

1622
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 4: like you just now we have an immense amount of

1623
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 4: truth of how this is really going to come together?

1624
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 4: And can now the adjustments really start?

1625
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 3: You know, it's hard to like that's the home go

1626
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 3: into game one where you're like, we don't really know.

1627
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 18: We don't know how the left side's going to hold up,

1628
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:23,680
Speaker 18: we don't know what Traveon is going to be able

1629
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 18: to do. You like, so you're now you have things

1630
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 18: to go off of and you have some truth to

1631
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 18: base your adjustments off of. Whereas joint practices, preseason games,

1632
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:33,599
Speaker 18: training camp practice.

1633
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 2: I mean, the best coach out there said you need

1634
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 2: five game, five six games before you really know and

1635
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:41,040
Speaker 2: that and that's when he was Bill Belichick.

1636
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:43,560
Speaker 4: And that's when he was here for twenty years and

1637
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 4: had the same system right, and had a lot of

1638
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 4: the same pieces, and the most importantly, had the same

1639
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 4: We are dismissing now what he's not.

1640
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 6: He's not welcome here, okay, and his thoughts aren't.

1641
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:53,599
Speaker 4: Welcome here either.

1642
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 3: No, but I agree.

1643
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 2: I think I think most coaches would agree with him.

1644
01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:00,560
Speaker 6: That's especially now, the way that no one really anything

1645
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 6: in the summer.

1646
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 3: That's that's like the glass half full way to look

1647
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:07,080
Speaker 3: at what happened on Sunday. I think today, at least

1648
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 3: for me, is a day of like venting about what

1649
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 3: happened on the game on Sunday. But once we start

1650
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:13,759
Speaker 3: to turn the page, like you hope with a coaching

1651
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 3: staff with Rabel and Josh McDaniels, who are two veteran

1652
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 3: coaches that have been around the block and seen a

1653
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:19,759
Speaker 3: lot of things.

1654
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, that one's don't work.

1655
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 6: Take us out.

1656
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:23,759
Speaker 3: This is play trash.

1657
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:26,479
Speaker 6: That there's going to be as you guys are one

1658
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 6: thousand percent right. But I can still I mean, two

1659
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 6: things can be true. I can still be disappointed that

1660
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 6: the other team that had all the new pieces was

1661
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 6: able to better prepare for the opener than the Patriots did. Right,

1662
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 6: But that guys are absolutely right. Maybe they maybe now

1663
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 6: they look at it. You know what, Will Campbell he

1664
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 6: was okay, but I think around that as much as

1665
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:46,799
Speaker 6: I thought.

1666
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 4: But drilled down even more on it, where it's Gino Smith,

1667
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 4: a veteran quarterback who's been with numerous teams and been

1668
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:54,559
Speaker 4: in numerous systems, and you know Pete Carroll who's coached

1669
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:56,560
Speaker 4: a few different teams, and you know, I get what

1670
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 4: you're saying, but I'm still saying even within that, there's

1671
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 4: some nuance to you know, they had some veteran players,

1672
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:03,439
Speaker 4: whereas the Patriots were playing a few rookies, and you

1673
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 4: know that I don't know and I also think about

1674
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 4: last year where maybe the reverse happened, where you win

1675
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 4: the first game and you're like, oh.

1676
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 7: We got this.

1677
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 4: This is gonna be good. Ramoni is gonna be breaking

1678
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:16,800
Speaker 4: tackles all season long, you know, and maybe then in

1679
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:19,880
Speaker 4: that sense of the word, you're giving yourself a false

1680
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 4: sense of belief.

1681
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1682
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 4: I just think of all these teams in the NFL

1683
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:26,040
Speaker 4: got a big bunch of truth that maybe they weren't expecting.

1684
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:28,560
Speaker 3: I think that that's how because I think it's a

1685
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:31,200
Speaker 3: great point. I think that's how Vrabel has set this up.

1686
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:33,080
Speaker 3: Like if he really wanted to come out of the

1687
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:35,680
Speaker 3: gate firing, they wouldn't have handled training camp in the

1688
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:37,800
Speaker 3: preseason the way that they did. They would have played

1689
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 3: starters in the preseason games and they would have really

1690
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 3: gotten everything.

1691
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 4: And I just would have been coming in and out.

1692
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 3: And I think, like what they they want to have

1693
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 3: a slow build, They want to they want to be

1694
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:48,680
Speaker 3: better at the end of the year than they are

1695
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:50,840
Speaker 3: at the beginning of the year. You just hope you

1696
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 3: don't put yourself in too big of a hole that

1697
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 3: it's too late. Like once it starts clicking and you're

1698
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 3: one in five and you're trying to dig out. But

1699
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 3: these two coaches make Daniels and Rabel like that's their specialty,

1700
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:07,719
Speaker 3: Like that's their superpower, is their ability to understand you know, Okay,

1701
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:09,280
Speaker 3: this is what I have, this is what I have

1702
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:12,160
Speaker 3: to work with, you know, this is what strains are,

1703
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 3: this is what our weaknesses are. And then being able

1704
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 3: to just build something around it, like we're able. Didn't

1705
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:19,840
Speaker 3: have a ton of talent in Tennessee, like those teams

1706
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:22,599
Speaker 3: weren't weren't loaded, but he figured out what they were

1707
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 3: really good at and he was able to build around that.

1708
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 6: Derrick Henry, Yeah, took him a couple of years.

1709
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:30,559
Speaker 4: There.

1710
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:35,920
Speaker 7: Mike and Vermont, what's up, Mike? Mike and Vermont?

1711
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:36,559
Speaker 2: Not there?

1712
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 4: I was once a Mike informal Okay, how about and

1713
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:40,120
Speaker 4: going on with the phone?

1714
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:41,519
Speaker 7: How about Chris and Virginia?

1715
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 2: Chris, I thank thee hell can.

1716
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 4: Yes, Chris, you got Hi.

1717
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 20: Hi, guys, So I want to give a little perspective

1718
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 20: and then ask you a question. I don't think we

1719
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 20: got blown away by the opposition in the game. We

1720
01:15:57,280 --> 01:16:00,200
Speaker 20: lost it because of our own performances and mistakes, whether

1721
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:03,120
Speaker 20: that's the players or the coaches and As people have said,

1722
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:05,840
Speaker 20: this is the first time Vrabel has seen the current

1723
01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:09,000
Speaker 20: set of players in a fully competitive game, first time

1724
01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 20: he's had a chance to assess mistakes in that context,

1725
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 20: and there have been a lot of changes in personnel

1726
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 20: both on and off the pitch. But it's really day

1727
01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:21,560
Speaker 20: one for everyone. So my question in relation to the

1728
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:24,800
Speaker 20: players particularly, is do you think it's better for the

1729
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:27,679
Speaker 20: rookies and the younger team members to keep taking the field,

1730
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 20: making those mistakes and hopefully learning from them, or is

1731
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 20: it better to try and shore up the team with

1732
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 20: some experience in the rest of the trade window maybe,

1733
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:40,040
Speaker 20: and then eliminate the mistakes that way and develop your

1734
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:42,479
Speaker 20: future behind the scenes. Kick up the good work, and

1735
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:43,560
Speaker 20: I'll take it offline.

1736
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 7: Going all right, I think you are what you are

1737
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 7: right now.

1738
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 2: I think you know, if you think like, even if

1739
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:49,400
Speaker 2: you think, oh, it'd be nice to have some oh,

1740
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, even if you think it'd be nice to

1741
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:54,960
Speaker 2: have some veterans on the team, it's too late. The

1742
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:56,560
Speaker 2: guys that you're going to bring in aren't going to

1743
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 2: be much better than what you got them.

1744
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:00,360
Speaker 3: Or yeah, I also didn't really feel like the keys

1745
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:03,120
Speaker 3: were to blame. Yeah, Now, it happened in the game.

1746
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 2: Now it goes to kind of what Paul said, it's

1747
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 2: it's first time Pete Carroll had a chance to see

1748
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:13,599
Speaker 2: his team too, you know. So, yeah, the other team.

1749
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:16,280
Speaker 6: Gets paid to like, you're not the only one, Chip Kelly.

1750
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 6: A new offense and you know, a new quarterback, first

1751
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:20,679
Speaker 6: game as a Raider.

1752
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 4: It was all new there too, right, and it was

1753
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 4: a twenty ten ish game. I mean, you know it was.

1754
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 2: It was clear.

1755
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:28,519
Speaker 7: I agree with what Chris said.

1756
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 4: We didn't get blown out and they had bunch of three.

1757
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 6: Now let's not let's not move the goalposts on that.

1758
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 6: We all thought the Patriots are going to win. They

1759
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:40,679
Speaker 6: were favorite to win. They were playing a very similar

1760
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 6: team to them, so we let's not hang our hat on.

1761
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:46,880
Speaker 6: They didn't get blown out, No, but they didn't didn't

1762
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 6: kind of get blown out in the second half. They

1763
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:50,639
Speaker 6: lost the second half basically thirteen to nothing.

1764
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 7: But even though that's not a blowout.

1765
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:54,640
Speaker 4: Well kind of is.

1766
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 2: It's just the offense became inept in the second half.

1767
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 6: Right, they got they got dominated in the last thirty

1768
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:03,840
Speaker 6: minutes of the game. My team that is not any

1769
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 6: better than them, So that part I agree with this

1770
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:09,680
Speaker 6: wasn't like they got overwhelmed because Baltimore came rolling in

1771
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 6: here with all their playmakers and they couldn't keep up, right.

1772
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 6: The other team just played better than they did. Yeah,

1773
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:16,800
Speaker 6: and I think that they coached better than they did

1774
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:19,560
Speaker 6: to Yah And I think Rabel actually said that in

1775
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 6: the I think it was the post game that he said, we.

1776
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:24,160
Speaker 2: Said, we said, don't underestimate Pete Carroll.

1777
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 3: I was really surprised by I thought they adjusted pretty

1778
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:32,639
Speaker 3: well on defense, and they got those three and those

1779
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:34,680
Speaker 3: three and outs in the middle of the game there

1780
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:38,880
Speaker 3: and kind of stabilize a little bit defensively. But I

1781
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:41,680
Speaker 3: was really surprised that they didn't kind of get a

1782
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 3: beat on what they were doing the Raiders defense was

1783
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:49,599
Speaker 3: doing to them to sort of punch back a few times.

1784
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:51,400
Speaker 3: It felt like the only plays that they hit were

1785
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 3: scripted plays early on in the game that they kind

1786
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 3: of had ready from the week, and I thought that

1787
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 3: Josh would adjust fast.

1788
01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:00,120
Speaker 6: I think I made the comment during the game to

1789
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 6: you guys, it kind of looked like two bad teams

1790
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:06,719
Speaker 6: playing each other that have improved. Both teams have improved

1791
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 6: from what we saw last year, and there were periods

1792
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:14,800
Speaker 6: of time during the game where they both looked good. Now,

1793
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 6: the problem for the Patriots was, I think the Raiders

1794
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 6: time looking good was longer than the Patriots.

1795
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 1: You know.

1796
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:22,280
Speaker 6: The Patriots was like that last drive of the first

1797
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:25,760
Speaker 6: quarter into the second quarter where they kind of, as

1798
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:28,439
Speaker 6: we said earlier in the show, took control of the game.

1799
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:32,519
Speaker 6: And then that interception allowed I thought, and I really

1800
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 6: think that sort of the lack of taking advantage of

1801
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:37,840
Speaker 6: the opportunities they had in the second quarter really was

1802
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 6: the difference. But that interception changed it back in the Raiders'

1803
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:43,800
Speaker 6: favor and the Patriots never got it back again. You know,

1804
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:46,439
Speaker 6: But there were times where the Patriots were the better

1805
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:50,439
Speaker 6: team and you want to ask, what's different, you know,

1806
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:52,760
Speaker 6: why am I thinking this is different than last year? Well,

1807
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 6: I don't think there were very many times in those

1808
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:56,640
Speaker 6: games last year that they lost that they looked like

1809
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:59,360
Speaker 6: the better team for any consistent stretch of time.

1810
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 4: And that's what makes it so frustrating that they laid

1811
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 4: an egg in the second half because they were in

1812
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:06,519
Speaker 4: the game, they were winning, you know, and just to

1813
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 4: see that dramatic drop off, it's just a little bit

1814
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:11,280
Speaker 4: more jarring when you were starting to get hopeful.

1815
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 2: Yep. Valentin from Switzerland. I have questioned for Evan. You

1816
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 2: said earlier in the show that the scheme was vanilla.

1817
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 2: Is it possible that the scheme was vanilla because that

1818
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:23,599
Speaker 2: was only what May could run and McDaniels is concerned

1819
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 2: that he can read that he can't read more complicated stuff.

1820
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:30,760
Speaker 3: I didn't really, guys, I don't know. I didn't really

1821
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:33,200
Speaker 3: think that reading the field was his biggest issue. And

1822
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 3: I know that that's I've seen that a little bit

1823
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:37,720
Speaker 3: that people feel that way.

1824
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:39,560
Speaker 11: I did not.

1825
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:42,680
Speaker 3: I didn't think that he was missing open, guys, as

1826
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 3: much as with his eyes as he was with his arm.

1827
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 3: Like you know, it's not you didn't miss Pob Douglas

1828
01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:52,720
Speaker 3: on the first third down of the play of the

1829
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:55,360
Speaker 3: game and just not see him open. He just airmailed

1830
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 3: it ten yards over his head. Like I thought that

1831
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 3: that was more of a of an issue than like

1832
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:04,919
Speaker 3: reading things. Now, motion is set in place by the quarterback,

1833
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:07,840
Speaker 3: and that's a big reason why Miami is so good

1834
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:12,719
Speaker 3: with Tua normally so good with two are but falls

1835
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 3: off a cliff with every other quarterback, is because a

1836
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 3: lot of the the point guarding that Tua does is

1837
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:22,639
Speaker 3: very specific to Tua, and it's sort of what makes

1838
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:25,040
Speaker 3: that whole thing go for them. It's like their engine.

1839
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 3: But that's that's motion at like a different level. Like

1840
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:33,760
Speaker 3: you know, that's that's as sophisticated of emotion package as

1841
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:34,639
Speaker 3: you have in the league.

1842
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:37,120
Speaker 4: You said, funny, you said point guard. In pregame last night,

1843
01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 4: Kyle Williams was saying that Ben Johnson was telling him

1844
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:43,120
Speaker 4: the philosophy was be the point guard and then when

1845
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:45,720
Speaker 4: it's time to be Superman, be Superman, And that was

1846
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 4: interesting coming from him, as he seems like he needs

1847
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:51,639
Speaker 4: to be Superman to really be him and still felt

1848
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:54,240
Speaker 4: to me early on like he was being Superman.

1849
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:54,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1850
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:57,040
Speaker 3: I thought both those guys, you know, I watched most

1851
01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:59,559
Speaker 3: of the game last night with two tight pants guys,

1852
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:05,200
Speaker 3: you know, so I had to go watch convoys saw them. Yeah, Caleb,

1853
01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:07,519
Speaker 3: I thought had a lot of the same issues as Drake, Like,

1854
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:10,200
Speaker 3: there was certainly some good plays mixed in there, and

1855
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 3: there's some sprays where the ball is just nowhere close

1856
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:13,400
Speaker 3: to the rest.

1857
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:16,400
Speaker 2: What do you think about the play calling for uh,

1858
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:20,639
Speaker 2: Ben Johnson? Ben Johnson, I thought it was pretty good.

1859
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:23,560
Speaker 2: I like the flow of that game I like what

1860
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 2: I was seeing, Like, yeah, it's you know, like I

1861
01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 2: talk about getting a defense on their heels, I thought

1862
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:31,200
Speaker 2: he had them on their heels.

1863
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:34,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tough to say because I think he stripped

1864
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:35,800
Speaker 3: it down so much because he doesn't have the talent

1865
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 3: that he had in Detroit. And I know in the

1866
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 3: broadcast they said that he's really trying to get them

1867
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:43,439
Speaker 3: to like do elementary things before they start doing all

1868
01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:45,439
Speaker 3: the crazy stuff that they were doing with the Lions,

1869
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:49,920
Speaker 3: and so it was definitely a watered down version of

1870
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:53,719
Speaker 3: Ben Johnson's offense compared to what he was running in Detroit.

1871
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:57,240
Speaker 3: But I didn't think the play calling was a huge issue.

1872
01:22:57,240 --> 01:22:59,400
Speaker 3: I thought Caleb missed a lot of throws, especially.

1873
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:00,679
Speaker 7: But I thought that plits were there.

1874
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 6: But I also think you're going against a much more

1875
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:07,640
Speaker 6: difficult defense Minnesota's defense, and Flores has a reputation of

1876
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:12,280
Speaker 6: being difficult to play against, scheme against, so I think

1877
01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 6: there's a lot of different things that play. I didn't

1878
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:16,200
Speaker 6: see the second half, and I know it got bad.

1879
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:17,760
Speaker 2: For k I only saw the first half.

1880
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 3: The blitzed the crap out.

1881
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:20,519
Speaker 4: Of I know it got bad in the second half.

1882
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:22,040
Speaker 2: Minnesota blitzing.

1883
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:23,719
Speaker 7: Wow, Well they.

1884
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:25,720
Speaker 3: Didn't blitz in the first half, and I think they

1885
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:27,559
Speaker 3: were trying to rope a dobe them by not blitzing.

1886
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:29,960
Speaker 6: He know, it's comfortable. When I saw I didn't think

1887
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 6: that he was doing the Superman thing. I think he

1888
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:36,080
Speaker 6: was just taking the little checkdowns across you know, you know,

1889
01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 6: just a little sitting in a zone, you know, eight

1890
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:42,600
Speaker 6: yards downfield in between the hashes hit. You're giving me that,

1891
01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:44,760
Speaker 6: I'm just going to take these easy throws. That's how

1892
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:46,639
Speaker 6: we got the ten. I think it was ten for ten.

1893
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 6: You know, it culminated with that ridiculous throwing the sideline

1894
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:51,320
Speaker 6: to Roma Dunday.

1895
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:53,400
Speaker 2: That was just unbelievable with Joe Milton.

1896
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:55,360
Speaker 6: If that wasn't a play design, that was just him

1897
01:23:55,400 --> 01:23:56,000
Speaker 6: making a play.

1898
01:23:57,520 --> 01:23:57,680
Speaker 4: Yea.

1899
01:23:58,479 --> 01:23:59,799
Speaker 6: Dolphins signing Cole Strange.

1900
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:01,800
Speaker 4: Oh it's on is on.

1901
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:05,040
Speaker 6: They have a lot of injuries in Dolphins.

1902
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:08,280
Speaker 7: Let's go to Sean and Vancouver can tell I.

1903
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:11,559
Speaker 4: Don't know what we're running.

1904
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:16,439
Speaker 9: I got Yeah, I got two comments in one question.

1905
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:19,720
Speaker 9: So I was at the game and the weather for

1906
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:22,160
Speaker 9: me was was like November and Vancouver, so I'm used

1907
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 9: to it. It's not a big deal. But I was

1908
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:27,800
Speaker 9: disappointed that there were so many empty seats. It's like

1909
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:30,519
Speaker 9: all these season ticket holders are are pink cats. I

1910
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 9: don't know. Uh So that was a little disappointing. The

1911
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:36,320
Speaker 9: other thing is the turning point, like Paul said, was

1912
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:39,920
Speaker 9: when Trick makes through that interception, and to me, like

1913
01:24:40,479 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 9: it's really about overcoming that. That's what we need to

1914
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:45,479
Speaker 9: get to. The next step is like can you get

1915
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 9: over this adversity and and do something positive after that?

1916
01:24:50,479 --> 01:24:52,920
Speaker 9: So that's what I want to see in Miami Sunday.

1917
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:58,680
Speaker 9: You're right, definitely, definitely. Now, uh Fred, this is for you.

1918
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:01,040
Speaker 9: This is a question you said, and I agree with it.

1919
01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:04,320
Speaker 9: They have to pass against the Dolphins. I got to

1920
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:06,880
Speaker 9: start off passing. But which way do you think will

1921
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:11,640
Speaker 9: be more effective? To be empty and spread or you know,

1922
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:13,760
Speaker 9: come out like you look like you're going to run.

1923
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:18,240
Speaker 9: So you have in the backfield Westover and maybe Trevian

1924
01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 9: Henderson and then you have Diggs and Pop and Henry

1925
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:26,720
Speaker 9: you knows as your receivers, and then you you do

1926
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:30,320
Speaker 9: a play action and try and get them off off

1927
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:30,720
Speaker 9: guard there.

1928
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:32,639
Speaker 8: So I'll leave that for you and you can discuss.

1929
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:32,840
Speaker 21: Thanks.

1930
01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:35,559
Speaker 2: Thanks, Sean. I think he's referring to after the post game,

1931
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 2: I said, you know, I'm not sure right now they're

1932
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:40,560
Speaker 2: good enough to be balanced. I think they have to

1933
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:43,080
Speaker 2: go into a game with say this is what we're

1934
01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:46,880
Speaker 2: going to do. We're going to aligneman, get ready to

1935
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:49,080
Speaker 2: fire off on every snap because we're going to be

1936
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:53,320
Speaker 2: running the ball, or get ready to pass probe because

1937
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:56,040
Speaker 2: we're going to be passed. I don't know, like right

1938
01:25:56,240 --> 01:25:58,439
Speaker 2: right now, if they're ready to say we're going to

1939
01:25:58,479 --> 01:26:00,599
Speaker 2: be able to be balanced this game. I think they

1940
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:03,800
Speaker 2: have to get a defense on their heels doing one

1941
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:07,600
Speaker 2: thing and then you can do something else. I don't know.

1942
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:10,439
Speaker 2: I like it, just it's just my feeling.

1943
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:13,479
Speaker 4: I would target Miami's run defense how they looked well,

1944
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:15,080
Speaker 4: then then go into the game.

1945
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 6: I would do the opposite. I would target the secondary.

1946
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:21,880
Speaker 6: It's completely decimated the run defense. The first half, the

1947
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:24,800
Speaker 6: Colts averaged like three and a half yards to carry,

1948
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:28,519
Speaker 6: like they got a lot of yards, but because they would.

1949
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:30,479
Speaker 6: They had a thirty point lead the whole game, and

1950
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:32,800
Speaker 6: they just kept running the ball. In the whole second half.

1951
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:36,360
Speaker 6: They didn't run it all that effectively, but Daniel Jones

1952
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:38,519
Speaker 6: threw for like two hundred and eighty yards. They scored

1953
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:42,439
Speaker 6: every time they had the ball. Every time. Daniel Jones

1954
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:44,960
Speaker 6: like the same guy that we saw with the Lions

1955
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:47,080
Speaker 6: and the joint practices. Mike, I still go back to that.

1956
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 6: I know that's not fair to Daniel Jones. I know

1957
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:50,640
Speaker 6: he's but like the.

1958
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:53,479
Speaker 4: Naked boot like him just running and then running. And

1959
01:26:55,160 --> 01:26:57,800
Speaker 4: I think that they got some yardage in that game.

1960
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:00,720
Speaker 6: For Jones ran for a couple of touchdowns, not really

1961
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:04,680
Speaker 6: you know, necessarily stopping the run. And I think the

1962
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:06,920
Speaker 6: dueling kid had like a big run on an end

1963
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:09,719
Speaker 6: a round. But Jonathan Taylor average less than four yards

1964
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:11,800
Speaker 6: of carry in the second back average less than four

1965
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:14,320
Speaker 6: yards to carry. They and they those two combined for

1966
01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:19,240
Speaker 6: thirty carries. So the top two guys in conventional running

1967
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:22,320
Speaker 6: had thirty carries for less than four yards of carry.

1968
01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:25,040
Speaker 6: And it was I thought, maybe, well, maybe this number

1969
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:26,720
Speaker 6: got knocked down because at the end of the game

1970
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:28,680
Speaker 6: they were just running and getting two yard runs. But

1971
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:30,840
Speaker 6: I looked at the first half, and the first half

1972
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:32,519
Speaker 6: wasn't good either, but they were.

1973
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:36,200
Speaker 3: Pretty successful running the ball, like in terms of you

1974
01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:38,559
Speaker 3: know success, right, things like you know, just picking up

1975
01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:40,679
Speaker 3: the amount of yards that first.

1976
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:43,080
Speaker 6: They had a lot of yards. They had a lot

1977
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:44,439
Speaker 6: of Yeah, I think they ran for like one hundred

1978
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:45,000
Speaker 6: and sixty yards.

1979
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:48,200
Speaker 3: Agree with you that it wasn't It took a high

1980
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:51,000
Speaker 3: volume to get to the one fifty. But you know,

1981
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:53,719
Speaker 3: I don't think that the Dolphins ever really like stop them.

1982
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:54,800
Speaker 2: In the run game.

1983
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:57,960
Speaker 6: They didn't stop them anything, obviously, but seven for seven

1984
01:27:58,000 --> 01:27:59,880
Speaker 6: in scoring drives and there's some long drives.

1985
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:02,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that when you face you know, Weaver

1986
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 3: and Anthony Weaver, their defensive coordinator last year, just blitz

1987
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:08,599
Speaker 3: the crap out of Drake May in that game down

1988
01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:09,320
Speaker 3: there in Miami.

1989
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:11,879
Speaker 6: I just look at the I'm just looking at personnel

1990
01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 6: and I'm like, so up front they got guys like

1991
01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:18,560
Speaker 6: Sealer and you know, they got some linebackers. Is it

1992
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:22,400
Speaker 6: is Dotson the guy that they have Terrell Dotson.

1993
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 3: I haven't gotten that deep into Miami yet.

1994
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:27,880
Speaker 6: They have some decent personnel on the front set. They

1995
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:30,639
Speaker 6: have nothing in the same It's it's like, yeah, that's

1996
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:33,640
Speaker 6: Jack Jones. They just signed like three weeks ago, and

1997
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:37,639
Speaker 6: he's like their best corner by far. That they lost

1998
01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:41,800
Speaker 6: two different starters in the preseason. They lost another starter,

1999
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:45,280
Speaker 6: Storm Duck I just like saying that name in the game.

2000
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:48,760
Speaker 6: You know, Mika Fitzpatrick is back there, but you know

2001
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:51,680
Speaker 6: you got he hasn't been the same. I just look

2002
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:53,680
Speaker 6: at the secondary and I'm like, where's the personnel that

2003
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:56,360
Speaker 6: you want to take advantage of? It's probably back there,

2004
01:28:57,479 --> 01:29:00,479
Speaker 6: I don't. I guess you sort of a lot yourself

2005
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:03,519
Speaker 6: to say, like, what's the only thing that the Dolphins

2006
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:05,479
Speaker 6: have going for him? Is like Jalen Phillips and Bradley

2007
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:08,559
Speaker 6: Chubb and Job Robinson, And maybe those guys have an

2008
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:10,120
Speaker 6: impact on the game if you want to just make

2009
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:11,040
Speaker 6: it a drop back game.

2010
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:13,840
Speaker 3: But I mean, I just think they butts a lot,

2011
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:18,280
Speaker 3: and they butts creatively as well, And a lot of

2012
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:20,799
Speaker 3: their blitzing last year gave me a lot of problems

2013
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:24,240
Speaker 3: in that game. And I think as a result of

2014
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:27,080
Speaker 3: like being in the gun is probably the best thing

2015
01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:30,040
Speaker 3: that you can do, because you start turning around and

2016
01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 3: play actioning and his backs to the line of scrimmage

2017
01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:35,840
Speaker 3: and there's guys coming and guys dropping and all this

2018
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:39,160
Speaker 3: different stuff. It can be hard to decipher, hard to

2019
01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:42,200
Speaker 3: read those types of things. But I'm with you, Paul.

2020
01:29:42,240 --> 01:29:44,200
Speaker 3: I mean, I think their secondary is definitely there.

2021
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:47,280
Speaker 6: Dotson was the guy was thinking of. And Jordan Brooks

2022
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:51,040
Speaker 6: is a pretty good linebacker too. I just look at

2023
01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:52,920
Speaker 6: those guys in the back end and I say, let's

2024
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:53,720
Speaker 6: see if they can cover.

2025
01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:56,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's see if would would you go out and

2026
01:29:56,800 --> 01:29:57,320
Speaker 4: we're throwing?

2027
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:00,280
Speaker 6: That was there.

2028
01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:02,599
Speaker 4: I'm stealing Fred's theory from him. That was your post

2029
01:30:02,680 --> 01:30:05,800
Speaker 4: game take. That scares me. I mean the goal. I'm

2030
01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:07,360
Speaker 4: just saying this should be balanced. I think that's what.

2031
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:07,920
Speaker 1: Oh.

2032
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:09,439
Speaker 6: I don't want to not run it at all.

2033
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:11,160
Speaker 7: I just think the goal of this game was to

2034
01:30:11,240 --> 01:30:11,960
Speaker 7: be balanced too.

2035
01:30:12,240 --> 01:30:14,760
Speaker 3: I hear it Fred is saying. I. I just it's

2036
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 3: a really hard way to live, to be one dimensional.

2037
01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:20,240
Speaker 3: I know it's just really predictable.

2038
01:30:20,280 --> 01:30:22,599
Speaker 2: But can we establish something that we're doing well.

2039
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:24,879
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't want to be one dimensional.

2040
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:25,400
Speaker 2: No, I don't.

2041
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:26,920
Speaker 7: I don't want to be one dimensional.

2042
01:30:27,240 --> 01:30:29,040
Speaker 6: There's a difference. I want to come out throwing and

2043
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:31,400
Speaker 6: have some success right now. You know, maybe it's the

2044
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:35,120
Speaker 6: first drive, right, you know, maybe I go to the defensive.

2045
01:30:35,200 --> 01:30:38,280
Speaker 6: Maybe tell me about ten plays, seventy yards or a touchdown,

2046
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:40,120
Speaker 6: and I threw it seven out of the ten plays,

2047
01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:42,320
Speaker 6: and then I come out the next drive, and I'm like, Okay, now,

2048
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:43,519
Speaker 6: let's let's get the.

2049
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:44,479
Speaker 4: Running backs going.

2050
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:46,400
Speaker 6: You know, I don't want to throw the ball forty

2051
01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:48,519
Speaker 6: six times or run an eighteen. I don't want to

2052
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:51,639
Speaker 6: do that every week. I don't think that. I agree

2053
01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:54,080
Speaker 6: with Mike and Evan. That's not a form just for success.

2054
01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:57,600
Speaker 2: Let's establish something DS in Baltimore. What's up, D.

2055
01:30:58,600 --> 01:30:59,479
Speaker 4: It's disgusted.

2056
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:05,280
Speaker 6: Maybe that was something Hello, Hey, how you guys doing

2057
01:31:05,479 --> 01:31:05,880
Speaker 6: all right?

2058
01:31:07,080 --> 01:31:07,400
Speaker 2: Okay?

2059
01:31:08,040 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 22: And I agree with what you said earlier about the

2060
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:12,000
Speaker 22: office being real Vanilla.

2061
01:31:12,439 --> 01:31:13,320
Speaker 20: I don't know if it's a.

2062
01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:16,559
Speaker 22: Thing with McDaniels, maybe stuck in his ways and want

2063
01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:18,559
Speaker 22: to run an offense like he ran it ten years ago,

2064
01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:20,840
Speaker 22: which ain't gonna work into the day's NFL. I don't

2065
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:23,920
Speaker 22: know why you just don't add a little misdirection or something.

2066
01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:24,799
Speaker 22: So it's too blaying.

2067
01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:25,040
Speaker 23: It's not.

2068
01:31:25,320 --> 01:31:28,400
Speaker 22: It's not fooling. Nobody's just like line up against my

2069
01:31:28,479 --> 01:31:30,120
Speaker 22: guys and your guys that we're gonna run y all over.

2070
01:31:30,160 --> 01:31:30,800
Speaker 22: It ain't gonna work.

2071
01:31:32,360 --> 01:31:35,840
Speaker 3: I'm with you, yeah, I that's just the way I

2072
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:40,519
Speaker 3: feel about it. Just it's not so much to play

2073
01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:43,720
Speaker 3: calling necessarily, it's to play design and the whole the

2074
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:49,120
Speaker 3: design of what they're running schematically, it just you're talking

2075
01:31:49,160 --> 01:31:51,439
Speaker 3: about Paul you know, like Daniel Jones, like having a

2076
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:54,320
Speaker 3: big game well, because Shane Stikeen is one of the

2077
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:57,439
Speaker 3: best offensive play callers and offensive minds in the league,

2078
01:31:57,439 --> 01:32:00,479
Speaker 3: and he just makes it easy for you. He just

2079
01:32:00,640 --> 01:32:04,160
Speaker 3: has different tricks that you know, they're motioning their RPOs,

2080
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:07,599
Speaker 3: they're rolling them out and play action and like you're

2081
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:10,439
Speaker 3: not asking the quarterback to do all this heavy lifting.

2082
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:13,720
Speaker 3: And I don't necessarily know if he has too much

2083
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:15,680
Speaker 3: on his plate, but I think the head coach is

2084
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:17,400
Speaker 3: starting to think maybe he has too much on his

2085
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:20,400
Speaker 3: headplay on his plate. And I think that that relates

2086
01:32:20,439 --> 01:32:23,720
Speaker 3: to when your drop back and you're the guy that's

2087
01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:26,439
Speaker 3: the trigger man in terms of the protections and all

2088
01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:29,120
Speaker 3: this different stuff, and you got to get the protection right,

2089
01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:30,560
Speaker 3: and then you got to snap the ball, then you

2090
01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:32,200
Speaker 3: got to read the defense, then you got to get

2091
01:32:32,240 --> 01:32:33,840
Speaker 3: it to the right guy, and then you got to

2092
01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:36,200
Speaker 3: throw it well and like all these different things. And

2093
01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:38,719
Speaker 3: I just watched Daniel Jones play and he just runs,

2094
01:32:39,040 --> 01:32:41,639
Speaker 3: you know, like an RPO and Michael Pittman slips out

2095
01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:44,320
Speaker 3: into the flat and he throws the ball to him

2096
01:32:44,479 --> 01:32:47,280
Speaker 3: three yards away and it's a twelve yard game, you know,

2097
01:32:47,439 --> 01:32:49,560
Speaker 3: And like I don't see that from the Patriots. I

2098
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:54,240
Speaker 3: don't see easy lay up scheme to open throw.

2099
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:56,320
Speaker 4: Certainly not enough of the movement.

2100
01:32:56,640 --> 01:32:59,439
Speaker 6: Like I would say that that throw to Hunter Henry

2101
01:32:59,479 --> 01:33:01,120
Speaker 6: down the side line was an example of that, but

2102
01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:04,040
Speaker 6: we didn't see enough of them. To Haven's point, I just.

2103
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:06,240
Speaker 4: Want once for Evan to be excited about the Patriots

2104
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:09,000
Speaker 4: scheme because I feel like this is like definitely last year.

2105
01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:11,400
Speaker 4: I don't know about the Billy Oh year, but the

2106
01:33:11,439 --> 01:33:13,160
Speaker 4: map were you with us? The mapatris A year two?

2107
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:15,400
Speaker 4: Like I feel like, go look at like the Tuesday

2108
01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:17,400
Speaker 4: show after week one or week two, and it is

2109
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:20,080
Speaker 4: like an Evans lament, Like.

2110
01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:25,320
Speaker 3: Well, it's just like it's two different trees, right, like

2111
01:33:25,680 --> 01:33:28,000
Speaker 3: I just talked about like Stiking is from like the

2112
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:30,599
Speaker 3: Philly Andy Reid tree and then you have the West

2113
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:32,880
Speaker 3: Coast guys, and like those are the two different trees,

2114
01:33:33,160 --> 01:33:36,120
Speaker 3: and they're still running this offense that's just in neither world,

2115
01:33:36,360 --> 01:33:40,120
Speaker 3: Like it's just his own thing, that's archaic, Like it's

2116
01:33:40,240 --> 01:33:43,680
Speaker 3: just it's been it's been done. It's old it's outdated

2117
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:44,000
Speaker 3: and they.

2118
01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:48,120
Speaker 4: Run instead of they keep doing it and it's just

2119
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:52,439
Speaker 4: like it's tough. What it I mean, just how the film?

2120
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:54,479
Speaker 4: Just asked him how the film was yesterday while he's

2121
01:33:54,479 --> 01:33:58,320
Speaker 4: breaking it down, and it's not good Bob. Yeah, let's

2122
01:33:58,600 --> 01:33:59,559
Speaker 4: go get something to eat.

2123
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:00,840
Speaker 6: Is going to take a while.

2124
01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:04,400
Speaker 7: Uh when you do the break you're at home?

2125
01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:04,640
Speaker 21: Right?

2126
01:34:05,080 --> 01:34:05,240
Speaker 4: Yes?

2127
01:34:05,640 --> 01:34:07,720
Speaker 2: What are you wearing? Are you when you're underwear? Are

2128
01:34:07,760 --> 01:34:08,240
Speaker 2: you nude?

2129
01:34:08,479 --> 01:34:08,519
Speaker 1: Like?

2130
01:34:08,600 --> 01:34:09,240
Speaker 2: How do you do it?

2131
01:34:10,080 --> 01:34:10,120
Speaker 18: What?

2132
01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:13,360
Speaker 2: I don't know?

2133
01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:18,720
Speaker 4: Like, so you know freeze in his sensory depication, is

2134
01:34:18,760 --> 01:34:20,360
Speaker 4: there a certain thing that sounds.

2135
01:34:20,160 --> 01:34:22,439
Speaker 2: Like you have to have things a certain way? Your

2136
01:34:22,479 --> 01:34:25,040
Speaker 2: clothes you're lighting? How does it work?

2137
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:27,880
Speaker 4: Now? There's definitely a coffee. There's definitely a coffee for sure.

2138
01:34:28,160 --> 01:34:29,000
Speaker 7: Coffee coffee.

2139
01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:30,400
Speaker 4: Are we music? What are we listening to?

2140
01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:31,599
Speaker 7: Silence?

2141
01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:31,840
Speaker 21: Oh?

2142
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:37,840
Speaker 3: I can't do music, it's too distracting. Dog No, he's

2143
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:39,000
Speaker 3: really next next to me.

2144
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:41,000
Speaker 4: Okay, he said the dog came in yesterday and was

2145
01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:42,240
Speaker 4: like wolf and like you said it.

2146
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:47,360
Speaker 2: Out yeah yeah, okay. The windows that you're doing, yes,

2147
01:34:47,640 --> 01:34:48,479
Speaker 2: there are windows.

2148
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:50,160
Speaker 6: There are deuces, right.

2149
01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:55,320
Speaker 3: I I hate myself on Tuesdays. I hate myself on Mondays,

2150
01:34:55,360 --> 01:34:58,400
Speaker 3: because all I want to see is the Patriots score

2151
01:34:58,479 --> 01:35:02,800
Speaker 3: some freaking points. And it's just it's absolutely nauseating that

2152
01:35:02,920 --> 01:35:03,240
Speaker 3: this is.

2153
01:35:03,439 --> 01:35:07,200
Speaker 6: For three years? What is it twenty two Zappi and Cleveland, Right,

2154
01:35:07,240 --> 01:35:10,120
Speaker 6: it's still still taking away the last thirty point game.

2155
01:35:10,280 --> 01:35:12,759
Speaker 3: And I don't need fifty, Like if we hang thirty

2156
01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:14,200
Speaker 3: on somebody anyway.

2157
01:35:14,360 --> 01:35:16,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, like literally just have forty eight in the preseason.

2158
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:19,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was the best I felt about this

2159
01:35:19,880 --> 01:35:20,800
Speaker 3: team in three years.

2160
01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:23,759
Speaker 4: Just score some points.

2161
01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:26,120
Speaker 3: Do something offense.

2162
01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:32,720
Speaker 2: Sean's and Virginia, Hey Sean, Sean, what's going on doing there?

2163
01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:33,000
Speaker 4: He is.

2164
01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:35,519
Speaker 1: Good?

2165
01:35:35,640 --> 01:35:35,880
Speaker 8: Good.

2166
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:38,679
Speaker 5: I don't want to stop about saying like I don't

2167
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:40,439
Speaker 5: I don't care like who the OC is.

2168
01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:41,240
Speaker 12: Uh.

2169
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:43,240
Speaker 5: You know, if you have a quarterback that doesn't have

2170
01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:45,879
Speaker 5: great fours in the pocket, get deliver the ball with Acrocy.

2171
01:35:46,200 --> 01:35:48,160
Speaker 5: It's not gonna matter who the person is calling the

2172
01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:50,800
Speaker 5: signals because this he's not telling it enough for a

2173
01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:52,960
Speaker 5: guy to miss and throw with an opportunities like that,

2174
01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:55,720
Speaker 5: they can't overcome it. So people can talk about what

2175
01:35:55,760 --> 01:35:57,400
Speaker 5: the defense is not doing and not doing it, not

2176
01:35:57,520 --> 01:35:59,400
Speaker 5: doing that, whatever, But you gotta be able to score

2177
01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:02,040
Speaker 5: a point. That's the reason why this team continues to

2178
01:36:02,120 --> 01:36:04,400
Speaker 5: lose weekend and week out because they can't score points.

2179
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:06,960
Speaker 5: Raise defensive at tal get with the same you are

2180
01:36:07,080 --> 01:36:09,360
Speaker 5: the tom and also twenty points game. Twenty points is

2181
01:36:09,400 --> 01:36:10,760
Speaker 5: not to give up in the game. How would you

2182
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:12,880
Speaker 5: put up thirty points? Put up thirty five, put up forty?

2183
01:36:13,200 --> 01:36:15,400
Speaker 5: The uscw's in the column. That's all I gotta say.

2184
01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:18,760
Speaker 2: All right, thanks Sean, he's right with Evan, He's not wrong.

2185
01:36:19,400 --> 01:36:19,719
Speaker 4: Points.

2186
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:22,240
Speaker 6: That's really they don't move the ball and score enough.

2187
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:24,920
Speaker 3: If they we did. We're talking about this since the

2188
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:26,840
Speaker 3: breaker when we were talking about this. Uh, if they

2189
01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:29,760
Speaker 3: lost this game thirty five to thirty, then I would

2190
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:31,800
Speaker 3: have been in much better mood like it.

2191
01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:36,040
Speaker 4: Just I wouldn't have Yeah, Jets lost, right, and that

2192
01:36:36,160 --> 01:36:37,200
Speaker 4: was the game that I brought up.

2193
01:36:37,240 --> 01:36:38,800
Speaker 6: I don't think the Jets are a great team, but

2194
01:36:38,840 --> 01:36:40,920
Speaker 6: at least you looked if you're a Jet fan, and

2195
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:43,599
Speaker 6: you looked at you got the new quarterback in Justin Fields,

2196
01:36:43,640 --> 01:36:46,200
Speaker 6: and you're trying to figure out where you might be

2197
01:36:46,680 --> 01:36:49,400
Speaker 6: and well, Gee's first game he came out, he put

2198
01:36:49,439 --> 01:36:51,040
Speaker 6: thirty two on the board. It's a game they probably

2199
01:36:51,040 --> 01:36:53,760
Speaker 6: should have won. So you're really disappointed that they didn't

2200
01:36:53,800 --> 01:36:55,360
Speaker 6: find a way to win the game, but at least

2201
01:36:55,439 --> 01:36:57,960
Speaker 6: you have something to have some hope for. And I'm

2202
01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:00,280
Speaker 6: not saying this there's no hope with New England, because

2203
01:37:00,280 --> 01:37:02,160
Speaker 6: I do think it everything you guys are talked about

2204
01:37:02,200 --> 01:37:03,720
Speaker 6: in the first hour of the show, I agree with.

2205
01:37:04,040 --> 01:37:07,400
Speaker 6: They'll get better. It's one game. They you know, I

2206
01:37:07,439 --> 01:37:10,080
Speaker 6: think they had an opportunity to be more successful in

2207
01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:12,719
Speaker 6: terms of points in the first half, and they squandered

2208
01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:13,719
Speaker 6: some of those chances.

2209
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:16,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, they did. But they'll get They'll get better.

2210
01:37:16,280 --> 01:37:18,920
Speaker 6: But I would much rather be talking about a thirty

2211
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:21,320
Speaker 6: four to thirty two loss than a twenty to thirteen loss.

2212
01:37:21,439 --> 01:37:23,360
Speaker 3: I mean, we've seen this twenty to thirteen loss for

2213
01:37:23,400 --> 01:37:26,960
Speaker 3: three we sure have, and it's just the same thing.

2214
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 3: And I know it was Bill O'Brien and it was

2215
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:32,720
Speaker 3: Matt Patricia doing the offshoot of Josh mcdaniels's offense. And

2216
01:37:33,080 --> 01:37:35,920
Speaker 3: you know, even AVP last year, it's just the av

2217
01:37:36,200 --> 01:37:38,840
Speaker 3: We talked about it with AVP, like he he's running

2218
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:39,600
Speaker 3: a system that.

2219
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:40,920
Speaker 2: Is old school.

2220
01:37:41,160 --> 01:37:44,679
Speaker 3: Also just an old school West Coast instead of old

2221
01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:47,880
Speaker 3: school EP. It's just but it's still was a system

2222
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:52,479
Speaker 3: that wasn't brought to life like that hasn't been updated.

2223
01:37:53,439 --> 01:37:55,240
Speaker 7: Devin and Belleville rights.

2224
01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:57,479
Speaker 2: And there always seems to be this perception of Booty

2225
01:37:57,560 --> 01:38:00,000
Speaker 2: that he's a throwaway piece, so that he's someone would

2226
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:02,639
Speaker 2: trying to replace. Wasn't he at one point in college

2227
01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:05,760
Speaker 2: a highly regarded prospect my opinion, he is one of

2228
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:09,759
Speaker 2: the only receivers we have to consistently to consistently exceed

2229
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:12,360
Speaker 2: my expectations of him. He also seems to have a

2230
01:38:12,439 --> 01:38:14,600
Speaker 2: knack for making a play or coming down with a

2231
01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:17,960
Speaker 2: ball when given the opportunity. Add with that with the

2232
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:20,360
Speaker 2: rapport he seems to have with Drake, why does he

2233
01:38:20,400 --> 01:38:21,720
Speaker 2: always seem to be overlooked?

2234
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:22,960
Speaker 3: Who's overlooking him?

2235
01:38:23,120 --> 01:38:25,360
Speaker 6: It's a good point. Now, I think the team is

2236
01:38:25,439 --> 01:38:28,000
Speaker 6: the ones that overlook him. I think every year, you know,

2237
01:38:28,160 --> 01:38:31,160
Speaker 6: different coaching staffs, because the same thing happened to him

2238
01:38:31,200 --> 01:38:33,320
Speaker 6: last year. He had to sort of reprove himself. He

2239
01:38:33,479 --> 01:38:36,280
Speaker 6: was during training camp last year, a lot of people

2240
01:38:36,320 --> 01:38:38,000
Speaker 6: thought he was going to get cut, and then he

2241
01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:42,320
Speaker 6: had that kind of controversial podium visit at training camp.

2242
01:38:42,360 --> 01:38:44,360
Speaker 6: Report he thought he was a lock. Do you remember that?

2243
01:38:44,479 --> 01:38:45,000
Speaker 4: Ye ye?

2244
01:38:45,320 --> 01:38:47,600
Speaker 6: And then he has a decent year, you know, and

2245
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:51,000
Speaker 6: this year, new regime comes in, and the first thing

2246
01:38:51,040 --> 01:38:54,640
Speaker 6: that we see about Kayshan Bouti is ESPN. I think

2247
01:38:54,720 --> 01:38:57,280
Speaker 6: Adam Schefter and Jeremy Fouler said that he's a veteran

2248
01:38:57,360 --> 01:39:00,400
Speaker 6: that could be available via trade before the draft, right,

2249
01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:02,599
Speaker 6: and he had to sort of prove himself all over again.

2250
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:04,960
Speaker 6: You're hearing a lot of talk about he's impressed us

2251
01:39:05,040 --> 01:39:06,120
Speaker 6: with his professionalism.

2252
01:39:06,240 --> 01:39:06,720
Speaker 4: It's like.

2253
01:39:08,200 --> 01:39:10,760
Speaker 6: They're the coaches are the ones that are overlooking him,

2254
01:39:11,640 --> 01:39:13,280
Speaker 6: and I don't have the anter as to why.

2255
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:13,639
Speaker 4: I don't.

2256
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:14,360
Speaker 6: I don't know why.

2257
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:17,960
Speaker 2: David and Maryland. By my count, Gino Smith has beating

2258
01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:21,720
Speaker 2: the Patriots on three different teams, Jets, Seahawks, and Raiders, Paul,

2259
01:39:21,800 --> 01:39:23,960
Speaker 2: can you think of another quarterback has done the same

2260
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:26,280
Speaker 2: thing with multiple teams? Are there any others who have

2261
01:39:26,400 --> 01:39:26,680
Speaker 2: done so?

2262
01:39:26,920 --> 01:39:27,240
Speaker 7: Thrice?

2263
01:39:28,520 --> 01:39:29,559
Speaker 2: With Fitzpatrick, I.

2264
01:39:30,720 --> 01:39:32,800
Speaker 6: Do not recall Geno Smith beating him with the Jets,

2265
01:39:32,840 --> 01:39:33,200
Speaker 6: but I'll.

2266
01:39:33,080 --> 01:39:36,599
Speaker 3: Take you an overtime game, right, yeah.

2267
01:39:36,600 --> 01:39:40,640
Speaker 6: Ryan Fitzpatrick beat him in overtime, I think, so. I

2268
01:39:40,720 --> 01:39:42,880
Speaker 6: know Ryan Fitzpatrick beat him with the Jets and the Bills.

2269
01:39:42,920 --> 01:39:47,519
Speaker 4: It wasn't like a mistake Miami. Oh yeah, good.

2270
01:39:48,960 --> 01:39:50,280
Speaker 6: That was the game that knocked him out of the

2271
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:52,400
Speaker 6: bye the first round by in nineteen.

2272
01:39:52,960 --> 01:39:55,759
Speaker 4: It always comes back to fitzmagic journeyman.

2273
01:39:56,240 --> 01:39:58,680
Speaker 6: I'm pretty sure, well he's a big time journey Oh yeah,

2274
01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:02,439
Speaker 6: the journey man. I'm pretty sure he beat the beat

2275
01:40:02,479 --> 01:40:04,280
Speaker 6: the Patriots with the Jets. I know he beat him

2276
01:40:04,280 --> 01:40:06,760
Speaker 6: with Buffalo thirty four to thirty one in Buffalo. Yeah,

2277
01:40:07,680 --> 01:40:09,360
Speaker 6: otherwise known as the Zach Sudfeldt.

2278
01:40:09,600 --> 01:40:11,599
Speaker 4: Kind of the question that I think twenty fifteen they

2279
01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:14,960
Speaker 4: beat them. Maybe it I feel like Chris Jones, not

2280
01:40:15,120 --> 01:40:17,479
Speaker 4: the good Chris Jones, the old Chris Jones and Patriot.

2281
01:40:17,479 --> 01:40:20,320
Speaker 3: I am like nine Shorg Gino beat us with the

2282
01:40:20,400 --> 01:40:23,519
Speaker 3: Jets in overtime around the beginning of Genus.

2283
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:26,680
Speaker 6: So maybe that's the game I'm I'm giving to Ryan Fitzpatrick.

2284
01:40:26,720 --> 01:40:30,519
Speaker 6: I thought it was Ryan Fitzpatrick to Eric Decker in overtime,

2285
01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:32,439
Speaker 6: but maybe it was Gino.

2286
01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:33,879
Speaker 3: It might have been both.

2287
01:40:35,360 --> 01:40:37,120
Speaker 7: Uh Sam and Saint Catharines.

2288
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:40,360
Speaker 2: Evan going on a long winded explanation that Barmore and

2289
01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:43,080
Speaker 2: Williams didn't drop and cover it, but rather dropped into

2290
01:40:43,120 --> 01:40:46,200
Speaker 2: an area and disrupt the passing late is peak pure

2291
01:40:46,439 --> 01:40:47,000
Speaker 2: to beat.

2292
01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:48,559
Speaker 6: The Patriots in overtime in thirteen.

2293
01:40:48,840 --> 01:40:51,400
Speaker 2: We are so back, baby, this is what Deuce was

2294
01:40:51,439 --> 01:40:54,320
Speaker 2: excited for. Who needs twelve and four in AFC Championship

2295
01:40:54,360 --> 01:40:55,000
Speaker 2: games every year?

2296
01:40:55,200 --> 01:40:56,920
Speaker 7: Boring Squisch the fish.

2297
01:40:57,040 --> 01:40:58,920
Speaker 4: Let's go who was that?

2298
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:00,679
Speaker 2: Sam and Saint Catherine?

2299
01:41:00,680 --> 01:41:03,880
Speaker 4: I appreciate that so, thank you. I'd like to get

2300
01:41:03,920 --> 01:41:04,439
Speaker 4: back to the twelve.

2301
01:41:04,439 --> 01:41:04,600
Speaker 6: Do you?

2302
01:41:04,680 --> 01:41:07,000
Speaker 2: I'm going to guys now you want to go back

2303
01:41:07,000 --> 01:41:07,719
Speaker 2: to it, I'm.

2304
01:41:07,560 --> 01:41:08,400
Speaker 4: Ready to go back now.

2305
01:41:08,439 --> 01:41:11,280
Speaker 7: You you don't appreciate it until you don't have it anymore.

2306
01:41:11,600 --> 01:41:14,880
Speaker 6: So now that you've made that admission, maybe Fred and

2307
01:41:14,920 --> 01:41:15,559
Speaker 6: I will stop.

2308
01:41:15,880 --> 01:41:16,960
Speaker 4: No, you won't never know.

2309
01:41:17,080 --> 01:41:19,760
Speaker 6: No, we won't because it never fails to put a smile.

2310
01:41:20,200 --> 01:41:21,679
Speaker 7: I'm so tired of twelve.

2311
01:41:22,360 --> 01:41:24,599
Speaker 4: It's so exciting to see what's going to happen. I'm

2312
01:41:24,600 --> 01:41:26,800
Speaker 4: glad I did some exciting going twelve forever year with

2313
01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:28,439
Speaker 4: my first couple of years on the show. That has

2314
01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:30,920
Speaker 4: now resonated through all of my time here that I

2315
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:32,280
Speaker 4: will never live down. I think it's good.

2316
01:41:32,760 --> 01:41:35,880
Speaker 7: Uh, let's go to our friend Christian in La.

2317
01:41:37,280 --> 01:41:39,880
Speaker 6: He's not there on himself this time.

2318
01:41:39,960 --> 01:41:40,920
Speaker 4: That's his best call ever.

2319
01:41:41,160 --> 01:41:47,040
Speaker 2: Wow, Will's and Philly Willem and Philam what's up? What's

2320
01:41:47,080 --> 01:41:47,360
Speaker 2: going on?

2321
01:41:47,720 --> 01:41:48,160
Speaker 8: How you doing?

2322
01:41:48,280 --> 01:41:48,639
Speaker 2: All right?

2323
01:41:50,760 --> 01:41:50,880
Speaker 10: Uh?

2324
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:53,360
Speaker 24: I'm so pissed with.

2325
01:41:56,000 --> 01:41:58,560
Speaker 23: Season? Are you kidd of me?

2326
01:41:58,920 --> 01:42:00,840
Speaker 2: Don't swear? Two?

2327
01:42:01,280 --> 01:42:01,559
Speaker 20: Okay?

2328
01:42:01,720 --> 01:42:05,080
Speaker 23: Two questions? Well I have more than that, but I'm

2329
01:42:05,160 --> 01:42:09,280
Speaker 23: just noticed the two that I'm getting off there with it, Well,

2330
01:42:09,439 --> 01:42:11,439
Speaker 23: no one is a question. The other one is really

2331
01:42:11,439 --> 01:42:15,439
Speaker 23: about the twenty twenty twenty twenty four draft class. If

2332
01:42:15,560 --> 01:42:18,640
Speaker 23: Drake May does not pened out, do you know that

2333
01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:21,840
Speaker 23: none of your players, like nothing pinned it out, like

2334
01:42:21,960 --> 01:42:25,639
Speaker 23: the receivers, the receivers that we drafted, the offensive line,

2335
01:42:25,920 --> 01:42:31,280
Speaker 23: the one tight end with James Bell, Jalen Poe all.

2336
01:42:31,400 --> 01:42:35,679
Speaker 23: I mean, wouldn't that be a question towards Elliott wolf

2337
01:42:35,840 --> 01:42:38,320
Speaker 23: and no scouts over there? I was not keen about

2338
01:42:38,439 --> 01:42:42,680
Speaker 23: neither the scouts or or even Elliot Wolf out. They

2339
01:42:42,760 --> 01:42:45,000
Speaker 23: need to be gone after this. Unfortunately, I don't want

2340
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:48,080
Speaker 23: to see nobody get fired, But god damn you. None

2341
01:42:48,080 --> 01:42:53,040
Speaker 23: of your players in twenty twenty four, none, nobody pinned

2342
01:42:53,080 --> 01:42:53,439
Speaker 23: it out.

2343
01:42:53,800 --> 01:42:54,720
Speaker 2: It's not a good track.

2344
01:42:54,960 --> 01:42:57,400
Speaker 6: The biggest reason why the Patriots are in the situation

2345
01:42:57,520 --> 01:43:00,720
Speaker 6: they're in their inability to draft well cansistantly over the

2346
01:43:00,800 --> 01:43:03,320
Speaker 6: last yeah, ten years, yep, long time.

2347
01:43:03,439 --> 01:43:09,360
Speaker 23: Now, yeah, it sucks so bad. I mean it's it's

2348
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:13,559
Speaker 23: oh my god. And then my last my last question

2349
01:43:13,680 --> 01:43:18,120
Speaker 23: is this is uh, this is for evident. If the

2350
01:43:18,240 --> 01:43:21,360
Speaker 23: Patriots lose this next game against the Dolphins, we already

2351
01:43:21,400 --> 01:43:24,240
Speaker 23: know the track record with that. Gentleman, When do you

2352
01:43:24,400 --> 01:43:28,080
Speaker 23: think the players are going to start talking again and

2353
01:43:28,160 --> 01:43:31,120
Speaker 23: giving push back and stop and probably won't believe in

2354
01:43:31,240 --> 01:43:34,320
Speaker 23: what coach Rabel is trying to sell the team.

2355
01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:35,760
Speaker 8: And I'll leave it that day.

2356
01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:36,559
Speaker 4: Take care of Gumen.

2357
01:43:36,640 --> 01:43:38,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't know why that's directed to happen.

2358
01:43:39,640 --> 01:43:42,759
Speaker 3: I wonder why that's a that's a pretty big stretch.

2359
01:43:42,840 --> 01:43:45,400
Speaker 3: I don't think so we're going there.

2360
01:43:45,400 --> 01:43:46,360
Speaker 6: I have some thoughts on that.

2361
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:47,640
Speaker 4: Can I.

2362
01:43:50,240 --> 01:43:52,240
Speaker 6: Think that's one of the reasons why no, no, I

2363
01:43:52,280 --> 01:43:56,280
Speaker 6: think that's one of the reasons why Rabel was so

2364
01:43:56,479 --> 01:43:59,479
Speaker 6: determined to sort of move on from as many veterans

2365
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:01,679
Speaker 6: as he did, because veterans are the ones that sort

2366
01:44:01,720 --> 01:44:04,120
Speaker 6: of pack it in when things aren't looking good, because

2367
01:44:04,120 --> 01:44:06,680
Speaker 6: they know what it looks like when it's potentially going

2368
01:44:06,760 --> 01:44:10,519
Speaker 6: to turn around. Young guys don't know any better. Young

2369
01:44:10,600 --> 01:44:13,560
Speaker 6: guys are still fighting for their NFL career, you know,

2370
01:44:13,720 --> 01:44:17,120
Speaker 6: so if they're one in five, young guys are going

2371
01:44:17,200 --> 01:44:18,800
Speaker 6: to continue to show up to work with the same

2372
01:44:18,840 --> 01:44:21,840
Speaker 6: attitude in trying to so that like, I got to

2373
01:44:21,840 --> 01:44:23,600
Speaker 6: show these guys that I belong in the NFL and

2374
01:44:23,640 --> 01:44:27,800
Speaker 6: I'm part of the future. Whereas you know, and I'm

2375
01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:31,360
Speaker 6: not saying any of the individual names, but everybody knows

2376
01:44:31,600 --> 01:44:34,400
Speaker 6: all the veterans that are no longer here. When you

2377
01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:36,400
Speaker 6: get to one in five and you're a veteran's been

2378
01:44:36,439 --> 01:44:39,679
Speaker 6: in the league for seven years, you're not sitting there saying, wow, jeez,

2379
01:44:39,720 --> 01:44:41,320
Speaker 6: we're going to rattle off, you know, eleven in a

2380
01:44:41,439 --> 01:44:43,920
Speaker 6: row and make the playoffs. They know better they're not

2381
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:44,479
Speaker 6: going to do that.

2382
01:44:44,920 --> 01:44:46,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, Evan and I talked a little bit about this

2383
01:44:46,880 --> 01:44:49,559
Speaker 4: of you know, is there a culture of losing around here?

2384
01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:51,280
Speaker 4: A little bit that they've tried to get rid of,

2385
01:44:51,920 --> 01:44:54,840
Speaker 4: and Rabel talked about after the game that you know,

2386
01:44:54,920 --> 01:44:56,920
Speaker 4: he said it all off season. There's gonna be hard

2387
01:44:56,960 --> 01:44:58,680
Speaker 4: times to arrive. There's going to be times when we

2388
01:44:58,760 --> 01:45:00,800
Speaker 4: have to figure out who we are and it goes

2389
01:45:00,840 --> 01:45:02,559
Speaker 4: a little bit towards you know, what I said about

2390
01:45:02,600 --> 01:45:04,680
Speaker 4: your first game when you get some truth, well, now

2391
01:45:04,720 --> 01:45:07,840
Speaker 4: you have immediately a little bit of adversity to face,

2392
01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:10,120
Speaker 4: and it doesn't get easier. You got to go on

2393
01:45:10,200 --> 01:45:11,840
Speaker 4: to Miami. I mean that's we all know how hard

2394
01:45:11,880 --> 01:45:13,680
Speaker 4: it is to play down there, and what's going to

2395
01:45:13,680 --> 01:45:15,680
Speaker 4: be on Drake in that game in terms of just

2396
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:20,320
Speaker 4: the conditions, Miami playing desperate. So I I'm just interested

2397
01:45:20,360 --> 01:45:22,400
Speaker 4: to see how they react. But to the caller's point,

2398
01:45:23,680 --> 01:45:25,840
Speaker 4: this does this help him weed out guys who are

2399
01:45:27,120 --> 01:45:28,720
Speaker 4: I don't know, part of a losing culture and just

2400
01:45:28,760 --> 01:45:31,320
Speaker 4: don't have that kind of Nope, not this year. I'll

2401
01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:33,040
Speaker 4: just I'll show up, I'll catch my paycheck, I'll do

2402
01:45:33,080 --> 01:45:33,600
Speaker 4: what I got to do.

2403
01:45:33,720 --> 01:45:35,880
Speaker 6: But I'm not gonna And I do think that's why

2404
01:45:36,040 --> 01:45:38,040
Speaker 6: he was And I'm not telling you that every one

2405
01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:39,840
Speaker 6: of those decisions was the right one. I think there's

2406
01:45:39,880 --> 01:45:41,439
Speaker 6: some of the some of those veterans that are no

2407
01:45:41,520 --> 01:45:44,720
Speaker 6: longer here could certainly be helping the team. But to

2408
01:45:44,840 --> 01:45:46,360
Speaker 6: come back, you know, I think we were talking about

2409
01:45:46,560 --> 01:45:49,400
Speaker 6: Jabrill Peppers last week and I was like, I didn't

2410
01:45:49,439 --> 01:45:51,360
Speaker 6: really get it. You know what that might be why

2411
01:45:51,479 --> 01:45:53,439
Speaker 6: and this is not That's not a knock on Peppers.

2412
01:45:54,200 --> 01:45:55,519
Speaker 6: Peppers is a veteran.

2413
01:45:56,400 --> 01:45:56,560
Speaker 4: You know.

2414
01:45:57,840 --> 01:45:59,320
Speaker 6: I used to talk to someone. I don't want to

2415
01:45:59,360 --> 01:46:03,680
Speaker 6: ascribe this to any players specifically, but they know what

2416
01:46:03,800 --> 01:46:04,280
Speaker 6: it looks like.

2417
01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:07,200
Speaker 3: They know what it looks like, or they don't. You know,

2418
01:46:07,400 --> 01:46:09,200
Speaker 3: some of these guys have not really been around.

2419
01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:12,200
Speaker 6: A lot, but there's some veterans that do, and they

2420
01:46:12,439 --> 01:46:14,320
Speaker 6: they were part of good teams and then they know

2421
01:46:14,400 --> 01:46:16,400
Speaker 6: what it looks like when they when it's not potential

2422
01:46:16,479 --> 01:46:19,320
Speaker 6: to turn around. I remember in eight, right the the

2423
01:46:19,720 --> 01:46:23,160
Speaker 6: Matt Castle year, we did a Patriots Monday back in

2424
01:46:23,479 --> 01:46:27,160
Speaker 6: right in this studio, Vince Wilfork and Ty Warren. You know,

2425
01:46:27,200 --> 01:46:30,080
Speaker 6: I remember like they were sort of overachieving and they

2426
01:46:30,120 --> 01:46:31,880
Speaker 6: were playing well and they had the big win in

2427
01:46:31,960 --> 01:46:34,240
Speaker 6: the wind in Buffalo and it's like eleven and five.

2428
01:46:35,120 --> 01:46:36,560
Speaker 6: I remember talking to them. It was like, you know,

2429
01:46:36,680 --> 01:46:39,040
Speaker 6: do you guys feel like and they lost on the tiebreaker,

2430
01:46:39,080 --> 01:46:41,920
Speaker 6: they missed, they missed out on a on a playoff berth,

2431
01:46:42,680 --> 01:46:44,400
Speaker 6: Did you guys kind of feel like you were peaking

2432
01:46:44,439 --> 01:46:46,040
Speaker 6: at the right time and you would have been dangerous?

2433
01:46:46,040 --> 01:46:50,320
Speaker 6: And they looked no, both of them, Tywarren and Vince Wilford,

2434
01:46:50,320 --> 01:46:53,479
Speaker 6: guys that have been involved with Super Bowls. You know,

2435
01:46:53,800 --> 01:46:58,519
Speaker 6: in Warren's case two and will Fork's case one, they

2436
01:46:58,560 --> 01:47:00,400
Speaker 6: were like, no, no, no, we were hanging were hanging

2437
01:47:00,439 --> 01:47:03,120
Speaker 6: on we were running on fumes. We didn't have it.

2438
01:47:03,320 --> 01:47:05,800
Speaker 2: We didn't have it, especially against the good teams. That

2439
01:47:06,240 --> 01:47:06,599
Speaker 2: was the right.

2440
01:47:06,680 --> 01:47:08,880
Speaker 4: They don't recognize, you know what I mean, can't beat

2441
01:47:08,880 --> 01:47:09,320
Speaker 4: the good team.

2442
01:47:09,680 --> 01:47:11,320
Speaker 2: You're looking at them more realistic than we.

2443
01:47:11,560 --> 01:47:15,639
Speaker 6: Correct And I think that sometimes veterans will tell you, yeah,

2444
01:47:17,040 --> 01:47:19,080
Speaker 6: they might be getting better, but we're a long way away.

2445
01:47:19,360 --> 01:47:20,880
Speaker 6: They know, because they're smart enough to know.

2446
01:47:21,280 --> 01:47:23,800
Speaker 3: I just worry about, you know, for some of the

2447
01:47:23,880 --> 01:47:26,879
Speaker 3: guys that I want to single anybody out. But the standard,

2448
01:47:27,160 --> 01:47:33,360
Speaker 3: like the standard of this is not acceptable, these types

2449
01:47:33,400 --> 01:47:37,519
Speaker 3: of mistakes, these types of uh, you know, it's third

2450
01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:40,400
Speaker 3: and one and we really need to pick up this

2451
01:47:40,560 --> 01:47:44,439
Speaker 3: first down and you don't even really don't have a

2452
01:47:44,479 --> 01:47:49,759
Speaker 3: competitive block, right like that. That's that's something that happens

2453
01:47:49,800 --> 01:47:53,320
Speaker 3: with four win teams. That doesn't happen with twelve and

2454
01:47:53,439 --> 01:47:57,719
Speaker 3: four teams. And so that standard I got those.

2455
01:47:57,640 --> 01:47:59,200
Speaker 6: Boring three runs on third.

2456
01:47:59,280 --> 01:47:59,960
Speaker 4: Oh we already, cup.

2457
01:48:01,920 --> 01:48:04,640
Speaker 3: I just wonder because you know, I'll sing out in

2458
01:48:04,720 --> 01:48:08,000
Speaker 3: a positive way I thought Milton Williams was awesome in

2459
01:48:08,080 --> 01:48:10,720
Speaker 3: this game. And Milton Williams just won a Super Bowl

2460
01:48:10,800 --> 01:48:13,400
Speaker 3: with the Eagles and he can come out in this

2461
01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:16,840
Speaker 3: game on Sunday and he is a game wrecker. Like

2462
01:48:16,920 --> 01:48:20,280
Speaker 3: he is firing into gaps, he's off the ball first guy,

2463
01:48:20,800 --> 01:48:24,799
Speaker 3: he's pressuring quarterback, he's making run stops like he's making plays,

2464
01:48:25,439 --> 01:48:28,400
Speaker 3: and that's the standard, Like that's a that's a tone

2465
01:48:28,479 --> 01:48:30,800
Speaker 3: setting standard. And I don't know if the guys that

2466
01:48:30,880 --> 01:48:33,800
Speaker 3: have been here for the last handful of years or

2467
01:48:33,840 --> 01:48:36,040
Speaker 3: have been on other teams that have lost, like I

2468
01:48:36,120 --> 01:48:40,439
Speaker 3: don't know if they play to that level of Milton

2469
01:48:40,479 --> 01:48:43,800
Speaker 3: Williams or even Harold Landry, who I thought brought the

2470
01:48:43,880 --> 01:48:46,080
Speaker 3: same type of energy on Sunday.

2471
01:48:46,160 --> 01:48:49,080
Speaker 4: And I just worry both guys with something are proof.

2472
01:48:49,400 --> 01:48:51,280
Speaker 6: Yeah you know what I mean. So like we need

2473
01:48:51,360 --> 01:48:55,400
Speaker 6: some veterans, but let's let's have incentivized you know, you know,

2474
01:48:55,479 --> 01:48:58,200
Speaker 6: Landry's basically trying to resurrect his career coming off of

2475
01:48:58,520 --> 01:49:00,960
Speaker 6: an injury in a in a sub part season for him,

2476
01:49:01,439 --> 01:49:04,640
Speaker 6: and Williams wants to substantiate that huge contract.

2477
01:49:04,280 --> 01:49:07,680
Speaker 4: And every doubt right, And I just say I think

2478
01:49:07,680 --> 01:49:11,240
Speaker 4: it's good that you have those players highlight as a

2479
01:49:11,320 --> 01:49:13,840
Speaker 4: coach and say this is what we're looking for, Whereas

2480
01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:15,840
Speaker 4: the past couple of years, I don't know how many

2481
01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:22,599
Speaker 4: of those guys you had, right Matthews in Arizona, Hey Matthew, how.

2482
01:49:22,439 --> 01:49:23,400
Speaker 8: Are you guys doing today?

2483
01:49:23,560 --> 01:49:29,479
Speaker 13: Okay, yeah, I emailed today. I emailed a few days ago.

2484
01:49:29,880 --> 01:49:32,000
Speaker 13: May not have read earlier. But you know there is

2485
01:49:32,040 --> 01:49:34,559
Speaker 13: a reason why you know, the NFL doesn't use there

2486
01:49:34,760 --> 01:49:38,479
Speaker 13: our Perkins offensive system. I think watching the first game,

2487
01:49:38,520 --> 01:49:40,479
Speaker 13: I think it's I look at it as like a

2488
01:49:40,479 --> 01:49:42,240
Speaker 13: square peg in a round hole, like it's trying to

2489
01:49:42,280 --> 01:49:46,200
Speaker 13: But Drake May who's more of a spreading offensive Let's

2490
01:49:46,280 --> 01:49:50,400
Speaker 13: Coast type of player, a scramble player into a system

2491
01:49:50,479 --> 01:49:52,160
Speaker 13: that's more of like a pro style, and so I

2492
01:49:52,200 --> 01:49:54,160
Speaker 13: think it's more of a compatibility issue with the Dress

2493
01:49:54,240 --> 01:49:59,320
Speaker 13: medio system overall, and I think him trying to work

2494
01:49:59,360 --> 01:50:02,559
Speaker 13: in that system is much less capacitive compatible to Matt

2495
01:50:02,640 --> 01:50:06,200
Speaker 13: Jones for Brady, because they work better in that system

2496
01:50:06,240 --> 01:50:07,880
Speaker 13: in general. I don't know what your thoughts are, but

2497
01:50:08,960 --> 01:50:11,160
Speaker 13: I just I think Drake worked better in a less

2498
01:50:11,240 --> 01:50:12,120
Speaker 13: offense in my opinion.

2499
01:50:13,120 --> 01:50:14,200
Speaker 2: Okay, thanks, Matthew.

2500
01:50:15,120 --> 01:50:18,000
Speaker 3: I I would say it's more of like a theory

2501
01:50:18,320 --> 01:50:20,679
Speaker 3: at this point than like a fact that he can't

2502
01:50:20,720 --> 01:50:23,559
Speaker 3: succeed in this offense. It's way too early to say

2503
01:50:24,160 --> 01:50:27,160
Speaker 3: that he can't succeed in this offense. But it's on

2504
01:50:27,280 --> 01:50:30,639
Speaker 3: my mind, Like I just I don't think he can't succeed.

2505
01:50:30,800 --> 01:50:34,080
Speaker 3: I just wonder if it's really bringing out the best

2506
01:50:34,160 --> 01:50:36,479
Speaker 3: in him, Like if it's really amplifying the right things.

2507
01:50:37,400 --> 01:50:40,559
Speaker 2: Let's see Chris with a T, I A N. What's up, Christian?

2508
01:50:42,240 --> 01:50:44,080
Speaker 12: Oh no, we suck a game.

2509
01:50:47,880 --> 01:50:52,080
Speaker 21: I don't want to overreact, but I will. It just

2510
01:50:52,240 --> 01:50:55,880
Speaker 21: didn't look It was so copy and I get it

2511
01:50:56,040 --> 01:50:58,160
Speaker 21: was so past heavy in the in the second half.

2512
01:50:59,080 --> 01:51:00,800
Speaker 21: The worst thing that you could do is compare it

2513
01:51:00,880 --> 01:51:03,519
Speaker 21: to other teams. But you watch them. Minnesota game last night,

2514
01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:07,560
Speaker 21: JJ McCarty through three quarters wasn't good and then the

2515
01:51:07,640 --> 01:51:09,320
Speaker 21: fourth quarter something just clicked.

2516
01:51:10,400 --> 01:51:10,840
Speaker 2: And I'm just.

2517
01:51:10,880 --> 01:51:13,880
Speaker 21: Waiting for something to click with Drake. You know, I

2518
01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:16,880
Speaker 21: need that drive where we go seven to seven right

2519
01:51:16,960 --> 01:51:19,880
Speaker 21: down the field. The offense looks good. At least give

2520
01:51:19,960 --> 01:51:24,599
Speaker 21: us that late, you know, give us that and if

2521
01:51:24,680 --> 01:51:26,639
Speaker 21: we have that, be like Okay, it's there.

2522
01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:27,920
Speaker 5: It's there.

2523
01:51:28,040 --> 01:51:30,800
Speaker 21: We can see it, right if they get If they

2524
01:51:30,920 --> 01:51:33,280
Speaker 21: get like two and two through the first four games,

2525
01:51:33,920 --> 01:51:35,720
Speaker 21: I think that's huge for this team based on the

2526
01:51:35,760 --> 01:51:36,759
Speaker 21: way they looked on Sunday.

2527
01:51:36,920 --> 01:51:38,479
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what I'd be saying if I was

2528
01:51:38,479 --> 01:51:40,880
Speaker 2: a Vikings fan, you didn't have that great a game,

2529
01:51:40,920 --> 01:51:43,040
Speaker 2: but when it mattered, he stepped up.

2530
01:51:43,160 --> 01:51:43,479
Speaker 4: He did.

2531
01:51:43,680 --> 01:51:45,880
Speaker 6: You know, it's also his first game. I know, right,

2532
01:51:46,040 --> 01:51:47,639
Speaker 6: but no, but I'm just saying there is a difference

2533
01:51:47,640 --> 01:51:49,360
Speaker 6: between playing ten or eleven games in one.

2534
01:51:49,560 --> 01:51:51,720
Speaker 2: No, I know, but like if you can, if you

2535
01:51:51,840 --> 01:51:53,800
Speaker 2: do it in your first game, the chances are you'll

2536
01:51:53,800 --> 01:51:54,920
Speaker 2: be able to do it later.

2537
01:51:55,520 --> 01:51:57,720
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you know, I give what Christian saying. And

2538
01:51:57,880 --> 01:52:00,439
Speaker 4: even just in the locker room after that game, Kevin

2539
01:52:00,479 --> 01:52:02,960
Speaker 4: O'Connell pumping JJ McCarthy up and the way the team

2540
01:52:03,240 --> 01:52:06,080
Speaker 4: reacted to him, Yeah, you know, that's just I was jealous,

2541
01:52:06,160 --> 01:52:07,720
Speaker 4: Like that's what you want to see, Like just the

2542
01:52:07,960 --> 01:52:10,040
Speaker 4: confidence I want that, I.

2543
01:52:10,280 --> 01:52:15,120
Speaker 6: Want jealousy on the school thing. It's what's going on.

2544
01:52:17,080 --> 01:52:20,040
Speaker 3: I am the furthest thing from a JJ McCarthy guy.

2545
01:52:20,640 --> 01:52:24,000
Speaker 3: But he's got one fourth quarter comeback and Drake has

2546
01:52:24,080 --> 01:52:26,080
Speaker 3: zero and he started one game.

2547
01:52:26,200 --> 01:52:28,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and that's just that's just the fact.

2548
01:52:29,400 --> 01:52:30,759
Speaker 6: I mean, it wasn't just a comeback.

2549
01:52:30,800 --> 01:52:33,880
Speaker 4: I score he played terrible and like I said, like

2550
01:52:33,960 --> 01:52:36,360
Speaker 4: everyone is killing him, like his career was decided in

2551
01:52:36,400 --> 01:52:37,519
Speaker 4: the first half of the first game.

2552
01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:40,040
Speaker 6: Not all fourth quarter comebacks are built the same. Like

2553
01:52:40,120 --> 01:52:41,960
Speaker 6: sometimes you know you're going to tie. You know, the

2554
01:52:42,040 --> 01:52:43,800
Speaker 6: other team kicks a field goal to tie the game,

2555
01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:45,040
Speaker 6: and you go down and kick a field goal to

2556
01:52:45,080 --> 01:52:47,679
Speaker 6: win the buzzer. This is like they're down two scores

2557
01:52:47,720 --> 01:52:49,960
Speaker 6: in the fourth quarter and he put twenty one points

2558
01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:50,320
Speaker 6: on the way.

2559
01:52:50,439 --> 01:52:51,040
Speaker 4: I didn't see it.

2560
01:52:51,040 --> 01:52:53,040
Speaker 6: I don't know. If the Bears turn it over and

2561
01:52:53,040 --> 01:52:54,880
Speaker 6: give him short, I don't. I didn't say they kicked

2562
01:52:54,960 --> 01:52:56,280
Speaker 6: off at the end, but that was different.

2563
01:52:56,320 --> 01:52:58,320
Speaker 7: But but you know, ply they to say if they

2564
01:52:58,400 --> 01:52:59,479
Speaker 7: don't bite when they're puppies.

2565
01:52:59,840 --> 01:53:03,519
Speaker 4: But was there and the Beers that did Chicago, you know,

2566
01:53:03,720 --> 01:53:04,439
Speaker 4: turn the ball.

2567
01:53:04,320 --> 01:53:06,920
Speaker 3: Over or they couldn't move the ball, So I guess, like,

2568
01:53:07,160 --> 01:53:09,080
Speaker 3: you know, short, but it was three three and outs.

2569
01:53:09,200 --> 01:53:12,559
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, okay, So give give some credit to Minnesota

2570
01:53:12,640 --> 01:53:14,639
Speaker 6: the like I would say, just even.

2571
01:53:14,479 --> 01:53:17,639
Speaker 4: Regardless of how good or bad it was for the quarterback,

2572
01:53:17,680 --> 01:53:20,760
Speaker 4: involved just that moment and the team believing in him.

2573
01:53:21,160 --> 01:53:23,240
Speaker 4: That's going to help him enormously. That's he's going to

2574
01:53:23,280 --> 01:53:25,599
Speaker 4: believe in him now. And you know, I just Drake

2575
01:53:25,640 --> 01:53:27,559
Speaker 4: still kind of waiting for that moment, right and.

2576
01:53:27,640 --> 01:53:32,599
Speaker 3: Drake's defense J J. McCarthy has Justin Jefferson, Yeah, yeah,

2577
01:53:32,920 --> 01:53:36,559
Speaker 3: and Kevin O'Connell. You know, I think Kevin O'Connell right now,

2578
01:53:36,680 --> 01:53:38,240
Speaker 3: there's a case to be made he might be the

2579
01:53:38,280 --> 01:53:41,839
Speaker 3: best head coach in the NFL. Like he is everything

2580
01:53:41,960 --> 01:53:44,440
Speaker 3: that you want, but in everything.

2581
01:53:44,200 --> 01:53:46,680
Speaker 6: In defense for them, you know, they were missing their

2582
01:53:46,720 --> 01:53:49,120
Speaker 6: second guy in Addison, and they were missing their left

2583
01:53:49,160 --> 01:53:52,240
Speaker 6: tackle and Darisaw like they were missing big pieces of

2584
01:53:52,280 --> 01:53:52,799
Speaker 6: their offense.

2585
01:53:52,960 --> 01:53:56,920
Speaker 3: Sure, but you know you and Jefferson certainly was not healthy. Yeah,

2586
01:53:56,920 --> 01:53:59,040
Speaker 3: and one of the best receivers in football, he's the best,

2587
01:53:59,120 --> 01:54:02,240
Speaker 3: he's arguably the but he was not healthful. Well, you know,

2588
01:54:02,320 --> 01:54:05,120
Speaker 3: one of the drives that specifically where they were, they

2589
01:54:05,240 --> 01:54:07,559
Speaker 3: one of the big drives that they put together. They

2590
01:54:07,720 --> 01:54:10,760
Speaker 3: just decided, oh, right, like we have Justin Jefferson, We're

2591
01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:12,960
Speaker 3: gonna start throwing that guy the football. And he made

2592
01:54:12,960 --> 01:54:13,840
Speaker 3: a couple of big plays.

2593
01:54:13,920 --> 01:54:18,080
Speaker 2: That's all all right, let's go to the other Christian.

2594
01:54:18,240 --> 01:54:19,000
Speaker 2: He's in LA.

2595
01:54:19,680 --> 01:54:20,599
Speaker 7: What's up Christian.

2596
01:54:21,920 --> 01:54:24,479
Speaker 8: Well, you guys don't need me to be a negative Nellie,

2597
01:54:24,560 --> 01:54:27,240
Speaker 8: but I'm going to tell you this. It's not going

2598
01:54:27,320 --> 01:54:30,439
Speaker 8: to get better, guys to get better at what This

2599
01:54:30,640 --> 01:54:33,120
Speaker 8: is the wrong offense to Drake May, he's not a

2600
01:54:33,200 --> 01:54:37,120
Speaker 8: precision passer. This is the wrong defense. When you had

2601
01:54:37,280 --> 01:54:41,840
Speaker 8: Gena Smith being a perennial number two receiver, it looked

2602
01:54:41,880 --> 01:54:45,240
Speaker 8: like a Christian gosults. That's not going to fix that.

2603
01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:48,080
Speaker 8: We are headed guys and I and I'm the game

2604
01:54:48,200 --> 01:54:50,960
Speaker 8: is gonna be thirteen to seventeen because I did not

2605
01:54:51,120 --> 01:54:54,040
Speaker 8: hear not one time in the off season. That's the

2606
01:54:54,200 --> 01:54:57,960
Speaker 8: offense good. This guy's making some throws that are amazingly Wow.

2607
01:54:58,080 --> 01:54:59,800
Speaker 8: Back to to this kid he had to hit back

2608
01:54:59,840 --> 01:55:02,440
Speaker 8: to if you don't hear it, even behind closed doors,

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01:55:02,680 --> 01:55:04,840
Speaker 8: it's not going to click and happen. And we talked

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01:55:04,880 --> 01:55:09,400
Speaker 8: about this. I'm even pissed that you had Don Dante Thornton,

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01:55:09,640 --> 01:55:14,840
Speaker 8: who both I'm a man l ROUDI and Eldrick and

2612
01:55:15,000 --> 01:55:18,040
Speaker 8: we both said we need receivers like that, big, fast,

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01:55:18,080 --> 01:55:21,240
Speaker 8: strong guys. Forget about this. You know, guy in the

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01:55:21,280 --> 01:55:23,600
Speaker 8: middle Jacon that you can get into a five yard throat.

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01:55:24,040 --> 01:55:26,800
Speaker 8: This is not going to work in today's NFL. I'm

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01:55:26,920 --> 01:55:28,880
Speaker 8: pissed as that you guys didn't listen to me when

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01:55:28,880 --> 01:55:31,120
Speaker 8: I said Bravery was the wrong the wrong coach for

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01:55:31,240 --> 01:55:33,800
Speaker 8: this team, Drake May. Out of all the five six

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01:55:34,360 --> 01:55:36,480
Speaker 8: quarterback that came out, we got the one guy that

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01:55:36,600 --> 01:55:38,560
Speaker 8: cannot turn it up and turn it on. It is

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01:55:38,600 --> 01:55:39,960
Speaker 8: going to get worse and not better.

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01:55:40,280 --> 01:55:44,080
Speaker 2: Truck all right, thanks Christians, Christian, it's gonna get worse

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01:55:44,160 --> 01:55:45,920
Speaker 2: before I thought I got to get that place.

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01:55:46,440 --> 01:55:46,800
Speaker 3: Christian.

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01:55:47,000 --> 01:55:48,960
Speaker 4: Just I mean, they won four games the last two years.

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01:55:48,960 --> 01:55:49,760
Speaker 4: How much worse can I get?

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01:55:49,840 --> 01:55:52,040
Speaker 6: If you just say it's definitively, I guess it becomes

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01:55:52,080 --> 01:55:52,440
Speaker 6: a fact.

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01:55:53,160 --> 01:55:55,600
Speaker 2: Well, listen, everyone's entitled to their opinion.

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01:55:55,840 --> 01:55:57,879
Speaker 4: Absolutely sounds like he's gonna have a lot of fun watching.

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01:55:57,640 --> 01:55:59,440
Speaker 2: For you, you know, And I'd rather have people come

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01:55:59,480 --> 01:56:01,480
Speaker 2: in here and be definitive than wishy washing.

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01:56:01,840 --> 01:56:06,320
Speaker 6: But you can be definitive without being disrespectful. Like again,

2634
01:56:06,440 --> 01:56:09,000
Speaker 6: this is the same conversation I had with him last week.

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01:56:09,960 --> 01:56:12,000
Speaker 6: Why do you need to hear someone tell you what

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01:56:12,120 --> 01:56:14,120
Speaker 6: happened in training camp to make you feel better. I

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01:56:14,200 --> 01:56:17,320
Speaker 6: don't really understand that there were days that Drake may

2638
01:56:17,560 --> 01:56:19,200
Speaker 6: look good in training camp, there were other days that

2639
01:56:19,280 --> 01:56:23,800
Speaker 6: the offense looked bad. It's that that's a fact, But

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01:56:24,000 --> 01:56:26,400
Speaker 6: like this whole thing, like not once did you tell

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01:56:26,440 --> 01:56:28,640
Speaker 6: me about a thrower he made? There were times in

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01:56:28,720 --> 01:56:30,840
Speaker 6: the game on Sunday did he made some throws that

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01:56:30,960 --> 01:56:34,560
Speaker 6: looked really good? And then there were other times he

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01:56:34,640 --> 01:56:38,800
Speaker 6: couldn't hit the little seven yard sit route to Hunter Henry,

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01:56:38,880 --> 01:56:39,720
Speaker 6: you start a drive.

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01:56:39,640 --> 01:56:40,320
Speaker 7: All right, one more.

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01:56:40,400 --> 01:56:43,360
Speaker 6: He's inconsistent with his accuracy. That's that's what I've seen

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01:56:43,440 --> 01:56:43,760
Speaker 6: so far.

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01:56:43,960 --> 01:56:45,360
Speaker 2: Honest is in North Carolina?

2650
01:56:45,520 --> 01:56:46,440
Speaker 4: Is that your name is that?

2651
01:56:46,880 --> 01:56:47,760
Speaker 7: Your name is honest?

2652
01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:48,120
Speaker 4: Yes?

2653
01:56:48,560 --> 01:56:49,880
Speaker 7: What's your last name? To goodness?

2654
01:56:50,160 --> 01:56:50,760
Speaker 4: Tell the truth?

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01:56:52,560 --> 01:56:55,000
Speaker 2: Is okay? Honest Richardson.

2656
01:56:55,080 --> 01:56:56,320
Speaker 6: That didn't go the way you thought it was going

2657
01:56:56,400 --> 01:56:56,520
Speaker 6: to go.

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01:56:56,600 --> 01:56:56,800
Speaker 1: To it?

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01:57:00,080 --> 01:57:02,880
Speaker 24: So for y'all is how do you guys feel about

2660
01:57:04,360 --> 01:57:07,320
Speaker 24: Terrence Williams or what's his name the defensive court?

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01:57:09,600 --> 01:57:09,800
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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01:57:10,560 --> 01:57:13,720
Speaker 24: I wasn't a big fan of his play calls. It

2663
01:57:13,880 --> 01:57:16,960
Speaker 24: was a lot of unnecessary blitzes. It was just a

2664
01:57:17,000 --> 01:57:19,400
Speaker 24: lot of blown coverages. Do you think that the defense

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01:57:19,440 --> 01:57:21,160
Speaker 24: has completely bought into his system?

2666
01:57:22,400 --> 01:57:24,480
Speaker 3: I don't think it's a question of buying into it.

2667
01:57:24,720 --> 01:57:26,680
Speaker 2: But I I mean, I I was.

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01:57:28,680 --> 01:57:30,920
Speaker 6: Before that's how they want to play, though I know,

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01:57:31,400 --> 01:57:32,760
Speaker 6: I think that that's just the first time.

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01:57:33,400 --> 01:57:34,960
Speaker 3: I think that that's a piece of it. You know,

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01:57:35,080 --> 01:57:37,960
Speaker 3: I think you'll do you these are the the licks

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01:57:38,000 --> 01:57:40,000
Speaker 3: that you take and then you hopefully learn from him.

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01:57:40,240 --> 01:57:43,680
Speaker 3: Like I didn't particularly like we argued about the third

2674
01:57:43,760 --> 01:57:47,160
Speaker 3: and twenty blitz. I bet you the next time that

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01:57:47,280 --> 01:57:49,960
Speaker 3: that happens, that situation comes up, he probably won't send

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01:57:50,000 --> 01:57:50,320
Speaker 3: the house.

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01:57:50,720 --> 01:57:52,680
Speaker 4: Do you feel some parallels? So just watching a first

2678
01:57:52,760 --> 01:57:54,880
Speaker 4: year play caller into Marcus Covington last year where it

2679
01:57:54,880 --> 01:57:57,120
Speaker 4: felt a little like all over the place at times,

2680
01:57:57,200 --> 01:57:59,400
Speaker 4: and it just, you know, didn't really seem like Thank God,

2681
01:57:59,520 --> 01:58:02,760
Speaker 4: experience play callers have a feel for the game and

2682
01:58:02,800 --> 01:58:04,879
Speaker 4: they know the right time to break out the blitzes,

2683
01:58:04,920 --> 01:58:06,800
Speaker 4: and you know, maybe it's an experiencing but I just

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01:58:06,880 --> 01:58:08,400
Speaker 4: I got a little bit of vibes to that. I'm like,

2685
01:58:08,440 --> 01:58:11,520
Speaker 4: why that now, you know, are you once you're actually

2686
01:58:11,560 --> 01:58:13,240
Speaker 4: calling the plays? I think it's a little bit different.

2687
01:58:14,080 --> 01:58:16,160
Speaker 2: All right, Well, listen, I'm calling the show.

2688
01:58:16,280 --> 01:58:18,040
Speaker 4: You're my friend. Even with one guy on the line,

2689
01:58:18,040 --> 01:58:18,840
Speaker 4: I'm calling the show.

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01:58:18,960 --> 01:58:20,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, calling the show.

2691
01:58:20,520 --> 01:58:23,640
Speaker 2: We're gonna pick it up tomorrow at noon.

2692
01:58:23,720 --> 01:58:25,680
Speaker 3: We're all going to take it every Wednesday, so.

2693
01:58:25,800 --> 01:58:29,240
Speaker 2: We'll have Mike Vrabel talking. We'll probably have Drake May

2694
01:58:29,360 --> 01:58:34,120
Speaker 2: talking tomorrow after practice. Correct, Diggs will be talking in

2695
01:58:34,200 --> 01:58:38,160
Speaker 2: the locker room before practice, and then we'll have our

2696
01:58:38,280 --> 01:58:42,160
Speaker 2: show catch twenty two tomorrow tomorrow at ten. It's a

2697
01:58:42,240 --> 01:58:45,120
Speaker 2: big day, Big Wednesday. It's turn the Page Day.

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01:58:46,200 --> 01:58:47,920
Speaker 3: Exactly what I was just about to say.

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01:58:47,840 --> 01:58:48,600
Speaker 7: Turn the Page Day.

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01:58:48,640 --> 01:58:53,200
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about beating Miami in Miami tomorrow,

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01:58:53,360 --> 01:58:53,880
Speaker 2: Page Day.

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01:58:53,880 --> 01:58:56,600
Speaker 7: All right, thanks for listening today. We'll see you tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: Hey, this is Evan.

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01:59:00,720 --> 01:59:01,920
Speaker 3: Thanks for tuning in to the show.

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01:59:01,960 --> 01:59:03,960
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01:59:04,200 --> 01:59:07,600
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01:59:07,680 --> 01:59:10,000
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2708
01:59:10,040 --> 01:59:12,960
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01:59:13,040 --> 01:59:14,240
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