1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. John Means's no hitter was the third of 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:12,319 Speaker 1: the season already. I was curious, big name pitchers, Hall 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: of fame pitchers who haven't thrown no hitters, And Roger 5 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: Clements never did it, Pedro Martinez never did it. Greg 6 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: Maddox never did it. Steve Carlton never did it. So 7 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: those are some I mean, how many starts do you 8 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: have with those pictures combined? Don Drysdale, Whitey Ford, Robin Roberts, 9 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: Early Win, Kurt Chilling, CC Sabathia. The best active pitcher 10 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: without a no hitter Zach Grenky, I guess, but yeah, 11 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: pretty amazing. You start to look at those who have 12 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: no hitters, and why is it it's the guy that 13 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: you probably only haven't heard too much about. Now does 14 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: the does the opposition not get geared up when you're 15 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: you're facing somebody like John Means? But if this was 16 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: you know somebody, well, I was going to say, the 17 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: Orioles don't have not necessarily a great pitching staff, but 18 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: you know Max Scherzer or Justin Verland, are you're going 19 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: to be facing them, You're probably going to be a 20 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: little bit more geared up. But Maddox I understand not 21 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: throwing a no hitter because he you know, he allowed 22 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: them the opposition put the ball in play. Like he 23 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: got you out. He was not trying to strike you out. 24 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: But Carlton, strikeout guy, Shielding, strikeout guy, Clemens, strikeout guy. 25 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: You know those are the guys that you you have 26 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: no hitters. Yampo means was a couple of years ago. 27 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: He actually made the All Star team. In twenty nineteen, 28 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: he was twelve and eleven. He was second for Rookie 29 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: of the Year. Even though he's twenty six years old. 30 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: He was second for Rookie of the Year. This year 31 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: he's four and oh and uh cy young candidate. He's 32 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: here's one point three seven. But there's always names like 33 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: I remember there's a guy for the Cardinals, probably fifteen 34 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: years going to Bud Bud Smith. I think it was 35 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: his second month in the league. He throws a no hitter. 36 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: I have no idea if he played ten more games 37 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: or two more years, or it happens sometimes in the majors. 38 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,399 Speaker 1: Remember Mike Weir from Canada, he won a Major. Yeah, 39 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: he won the Masters. I have no idea he's still playing. Yeah, 40 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: he's playing on the Champions Tour and playing well, but 41 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: then he never followed up. It's like a moment and 42 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:27,959 Speaker 1: then you go, he won like two last week or 43 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: two weeks ago, he beat John Daly in a Champions 44 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: Champions event. But yeah, you're right, you get that one moment. 45 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: And sometimes this happens in golf with majors, where you go, 46 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: Danny Willett has won the Masters, and you go and 47 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: we'll never hear from Danny Willett again. Probably who was 48 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: the guy who won in Minnesota? Rich Beam? Rich Beam 49 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: won the PGA Championship. Little guy. He used to be 50 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: on the show all the time. Yeah, we had. He 51 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: was part of the book what is it not, Blood 52 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 1: Sweat and Beers. But it was something something that there 53 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: was a book that was based on Alan Schipnut wrote 54 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 1: it and it was about Rich Beam and his caddy 55 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: and uh, I forget what the name of the book was, 56 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: but it was it was really insightful. Yes, Todd, Blood 57 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: Sweat and Tease. Um Fritzie just uh oh no, somebody 58 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 1: else just sent me this. Pedro threw a no hitter 59 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: for nine innings against the Padres, but the team hadn't 60 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: scored either. He lost his no hitter in the tenth 61 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: or eleventh inning. Uh yeah, but still no no hitter 62 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: for Pedro. Yes, he's like Jacob Degram needs no hitters game. 63 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: Even then he might have a no hitter. We're gonna 64 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: have to go into the tenth inning here, poor guy. Yeah. 65 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: If you ever felt sorry for yes, yes, yes, I 66 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: mean not that sorry because he gets paid. But you 67 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: just and I sometimes that happens with a certain pictures 68 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: where the team doesn't score, they just don't Keegan and Iowa, Hey, Keagan, 69 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: what's on your mind? Hey damn, hey, Keith, six one, 70 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: one sixty. I hate to do it, but I got 71 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: to defend the Toddler here. I remember my freshman year 72 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: of high school basketball. Our coach lined us up in 73 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: layup lines and we did drills on how to take 74 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: a charge so you don't smack your head. Oh okay, well, 75 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: thank you, Keagan. So somebody agrees with you todd that 76 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: you you know you can take charges or practice it. 77 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: I just remember my little league basketball career. I was 78 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: an oh in twenty team and no one would pass 79 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: me the ball. I played on a team everyone was 80 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: for some reason three years older than me. The ball 81 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: happened to bounce my way. I threw it and it 82 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: went over the backboard because there's no way I was 83 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: going to pass it back, and the coach gave me 84 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: one of these things with his finger, like, here's a 85 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: nice spot next to me on the bench. You're done 86 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,679 Speaker 1: for the afternoon. Thank you, Todd. Welcome Nolan Ryan. Seven 87 00:04:55,680 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: no hitters, Sandy Kofax four, Justin Verlander three, Bob Feller three, 88 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: Sid Young three, Larry Corkrane three, Mike Fires two, Jake 89 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 1: Carrietta two, Randy Johnson in there, Johnny Vandermere of course 90 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: do the back to back no hitters. Not a lot 91 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: of big names though, throwing those no hitters. Nolan Ryan, 92 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: I think seven no hitters and then had like twelve 93 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: one hitters. Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. 94 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every weekday morning nine 95 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: to noon Eastern or six to nine Pacific on Fox 96 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Find your local station for The Dan Patrick 97 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: Show at Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us 98 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching f 99 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 1: s R, or stream us live on the Peacock app. 100 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: It was just about a week ago, a couple hours 101 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: from now, where Adam Schefter came on Sports Center and 102 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: said basically that Aaron Rodgers wanted out of Green Bay. 103 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: Walk me through that. Did you get a phone call 104 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: or text? You know? Then? The funny part about it 105 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: is that I've heard people say, oh, Aaron Rodgers wanted 106 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 1: that out before the draft, and I could assure you 107 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers did not want that out before the draft. 108 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: I've had people say the Green Bay Packers planted that. 109 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: It was a very pro Packer story. I could assure 110 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: you the Greenbay Packers didn't plant that. When people guess 111 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: at where stories come from, more often than not, they're 112 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 1: usually wrong, and in this case they're wrong. This was 113 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: an accumulation all during the off season of just listening 114 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: to people talk and observing. And if we go back 115 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 1: to the NFC Championship game that the Agreement Packers lost 116 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 1: at home, did we not hear Aaron Rodgers after that 117 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: game talk about his level of unhappiness if you will, 118 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: uncertainty for the future. Just go back and listen to 119 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: that press conference, and it sounds almost like he's saying 120 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: goodbye to Green Bay. And so you're antenna is up, 121 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: And I'm just telling you. Throughout the course of the season, 122 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: there was rarely a week that went by where I 123 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: didn't hear something about Aaron Rodgers. And on Draft day 124 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: there's a report that morning from Paul Allen out in 125 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: Minneapolis that the forty nine ers made a draft offer, 126 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: which they didn't make an offer. They never made an offer. 127 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: And the other people saying that the forty nine ers 128 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: called and I said, how long till it gets out 129 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: that Aaron Rodgers Monts had agree? Is it next week? 130 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: Is it next when he doesn't show to the OTAs, 131 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: is it next month when he isn't it's going to 132 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: come out. What does it matter if it comes out 133 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: now or next week or next month? And so so 134 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: you chose to break the news on draft day? That 135 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: is actually that is absolutely accurate, correct. But it wasn't 136 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: something that you got information about. No o, okay, okay, no, 137 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: there was nothing that morning that came in and said 138 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: to me, yeah, he wants out, you should report this. 139 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: Like it was going on all off season. You just 140 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: keep hearing it, and there was more and more talk, 141 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: and now they're starting to be on Rogers talking. I said, 142 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: you know what this isn't gonna wait much longer. Let's 143 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: just go. And it just happened to be drafted because 144 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: I wondered when you said it didn't come from Rogers, 145 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: didn't come from the Packers, and it's being characterized differently. 146 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: I was wondering, Okay, you're not gonna tell me your source. 147 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: You know, what was the motive behind that? Yeah, yeah, 148 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: there's not a source. No, no, I know, but I 149 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: know that now. But we're just finding this out right now, 150 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: I said, I said around the NFL out, I said, 151 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: I said it, you know, I mean, I don't know. 152 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: People want to believe whatever they want to believe. It 153 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: was just an accumulation of information throughout the course the 154 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: entire off season. Did the Rams make an offer? The 155 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:51,839 Speaker 1: Rams inquired in January, and again that's an example. I 156 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: knew when they were calling and they were quickly rebuffed, 157 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: like the conversation went nowhere. But they checked in early 158 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: in January, and they were not the only team that 159 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 1: checked in. So, by the way, Dan, why are these 160 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: teams checking in because he's available or their hearing is available. 161 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: Where are they hearing that? Are they hearing it from 162 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: the Packers? Are they hearing it from Aaron Rodgers, because 163 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: it has to come from one of those two. Right, Well, 164 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: I'm just saying that there was a lot of speculation 165 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: in league circles. However, you want to characterize that that 166 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: he was unhappy and wanted out, And then if you 167 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: just again go back to the press conference, go back 168 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: to Jeopardy. Now, I he cou to play Jeopardy. He 169 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: could do Jeopardy, host Jeopardy and play football together. You 170 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: could do that. Yeah, but he's doing that, he's making 171 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: the comments he's making. I mean, you know, it's funny. 172 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: There were so many people that knew this of his 173 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: unhappiness that I think all I really there was shine 174 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: a light on some of what had gone on the 175 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: fact that, you know, Mark Murphy, the Packers, isn't it 176 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: flown out to meet with him. The Packers GM Brian 177 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: Goodacuns had flown out to meet with him. Packer's head 178 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: coach Matt Lafloory had flown out to meet with him. 179 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 1: They're all trying to state their case, plead with him 180 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: to come back, explain to him why he should be 181 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 1: in Green Bay. And by the way, doesn't appear that 182 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: any of them made any progress with him, So this 183 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: was all going on. But what can we confirm though 184 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: Adam does he want Brian Goodacoon's fired the GM, can 185 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: we confirm that. I've never said that, it doesn't No, No, 186 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: I'm just saying there's so much information out that other 187 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: people have put out there that I don't know what 188 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: has been confirmed. I mean Rodgers hasn't said anything. I 189 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: mean even you know, did he refer to Goudacons as 190 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: Jerry Krauss. I don't know that. But let me say this, 191 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: there's so much stuff that's flowing around out there, some 192 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: of which is probably true, some of which probably isn't. 193 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: And I would say this also, whatever was floating around 194 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: out there, whatever's being said, we probably don't know the 195 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: majority of the story. And I was saying this, like 196 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: when Tom Brady left in England. We think we might 197 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: have an idea, but I guarantee you one day we'll 198 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: hear more to that than what was just out there 199 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: being discussed on your show or ESPN or whatever it 200 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: may be. And I believe that that's the case. Fran Rogers, 201 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: we know he was unhappy with some of the moves 202 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: the Packers made. We know that he didn't like that 203 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: day not only drafted Jordan Love, but didn't even tell 204 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 1: him they were drafting Jordan Love. We know that he 205 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: has issues with certain people, but we probably don't know 206 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,839 Speaker 1: a lot of the things that have really pissed him 207 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: off through the years in Green Bay that have been 208 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: building and plus, Dan, everybody gets like this, I think 209 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: at some point, and you're like, you're probably like this. 210 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: You get to a certain point. He got engaged over 211 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: the New Year, different life. He's been there seventeen years, right, 212 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: at some point everybody wants to try something different. You 213 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: want to try something different at one point in time. 214 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: Did you know how old were you when that happened? Dan? Uh? Fifty? Okay, 215 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:13,439 Speaker 1: Well Aaron Rodgers is fifteen? Quarterback? Here's right. Yeah, So 216 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 1: I mean, but do you know that he wants out? 217 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: He still wants out? Well, I know, I believe, Do 218 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: I know? Yeah? I know, Yeah, I believe, I believe. 219 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: Do I know he wants out? What do we know? 220 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: Fully know? I have been told that he does not 221 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: want to be there by many people. Okay, so you 222 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: whatever that means he doesn't want to be there. Well, 223 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to separate fact from fiction. Rumor from 224 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: innuendo and and and that's why I go to this source. 225 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: That's why I wanted to have you on, because it 226 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: started with you. Now did I hear about the Rams thing? Later? Yes? 227 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,199 Speaker 1: I did. I wondered about the Niners if you gave 228 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: them a do over, don't trade those draft picks to 229 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: the Dolphins, and you can have those draft picks with 230 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 1: the Packers. Have entertained a trade like that, No, I 231 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: don't believe. I don't believe they would have. You know, 232 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan called Mike Matt Lafloor that night to feel 233 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: it out, to see whether the Niners should make a run, 234 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: as these men have documented, and quickly was able to 235 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: ascertain if the Packers had at that time no interest 236 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: in dealing Aaron Rodgers. And so the talks never went anywhere, 237 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 1: just as they never went anywhere with the Los Angeles Rams. 238 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: But then we are now in early May, and the 239 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: Packers have held firm to their stance. And the interesting 240 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: part becomes, now, over time, what happens to change this 241 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: particular dynamic. Does Aaron Rodgers sup in his dance? I 242 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: don't believe he will, but we'll see. Do agree with 243 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: Packers come off their stance of saying we won't trade him. 244 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: I don't know right now. They don't have to make 245 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: a decision, right The fact of the matter is they 246 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: couldn't trade him until after June one anyway, due to 247 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: the salary cap numbers. If they trade him today, it 248 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: would be a third eight million dollars charge. If they 249 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: trade them post June one, it will be split up 250 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: to sixteen and twenty two between the two years. So 251 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: they can't even do anything for the next twenty six 252 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: twenty seven days, whatever that may be. So there's no 253 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: reason for them to budge up that stance. They want 254 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers to change his mind. They're going to continue 255 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: to hold out hope that he changes his mind, do 256 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: what they can to change his mind. I don't think 257 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: he will, but there's no rush right now, So potential 258 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: suitors here because if you think there's this stalemate continues 259 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: and Rogers doesn't want to play, at some point the 260 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: Packers have to cut their losses and just say okay, 261 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: well hold on. But do they then, because they could 262 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: just say, you know what, Aaron, you don't want to 263 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: play anymore. You're not going to play here. We're not 264 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: going to trade you, and then it's just a standoff. 265 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: Now I don't think that serves anybody but nobody. Yeah, 266 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: nobody wins. But okay, do you want to be the 267 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: guy in Green Bay? Do you want to be the 268 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: Mark Murphy the president the GM who trades Aaron Rodgers? 269 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: Do you want to do you want that on your resume? Then? 270 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: I think they already chose that direction by drafting Jordan 271 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: Love Adam Well. I agreed that. I mean that that's 272 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: where a lot of this starts. A lot of this again, 273 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: how much I don't know, but certainly a healthy portion 274 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: of it. And that was their decision. And so again 275 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: they could say that, you know, as somebody said to 276 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: me yesterday, each side as levers, the Packers could say 277 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: we're not trading you and if you don't want to play, 278 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: you're never playing again. And oh, by the way, and 279 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: this would be really petty and really small and really 280 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: hard to imagine, but they could say, you also are 281 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: thirty million dollars in signing artist money. Now, I can't 282 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: believe that somebody who's done so much for one franchise 283 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: would be subject to that where the team would come 284 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: after him for the money. But the Packers could do that. 285 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: It's a business. I mean, that's that would be their decision. 286 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. If he says I'm not showing up, they're 287 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: in trouble, and so to me, I've always felt like 288 00:15:55,800 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers wants the Green Bay Packers to do everything here. 289 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: He wants them to draft Georgiana, he wants them to 290 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: trade him. He doesn't want any of the mud on 291 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: his hands. And I've always felt like Aaron Rodgers has 292 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: got to get a little mud in his hands and 293 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: not worry about, not care because the one's gonna wash off. 294 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: All you have to do is say I love Green Bay, 295 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: love my seventeen years, the love the coaches, and I 296 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: love the players, my teammates. But they made their decision 297 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: last year, and now with everything going on in my life, 298 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: I'm making the mind. It's not that hard, right. Sorry. 299 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: I know that he'll disappoint some people, but that's that's 300 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: where he's at. Why hasn't Rogers spoken at him. I 301 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: don't know that. That's a great question to me. He 302 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: can clear up a lot of this rumor innuendo. What's 303 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: factor No, no, no, it's not rumored. Into anything. He 304 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: wants out. He wants out. He does not want to 305 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: be there. That's not a rumor, that's not innuendo. He 306 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: doesn't want to be there. Well, no, the other stuff 307 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: about you know, how he views Gooda Coons, you know, 308 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: the like there's there's other things there. You know. I 309 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: trust what you say that he wants out. But if 310 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: he does, say, hey, you know they they cut my 311 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 1: friend Jake Kumero. Okay, how important was that to this? 312 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,919 Speaker 1: You drafted Jordan Love You didn't give me a heads up. 313 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: Do I have my issues with Brian Gouda Koons? Yeah, 314 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean I don't know, but at some 315 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: point I think he owes it to him himself and 316 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: the situation to just tell us what you feel, what 317 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 1: you think, instead of question to read into it. Okay, 318 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: let me ask a question. I don't think he owes 319 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 1: that to us. Do you ever do you why did 320 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: Carson Palmer? Did he ever state why he held that 321 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:32,919 Speaker 1: a Cincinnati and and want to more? Do we know 322 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: the reasons that he wanted to move on in full? Well, okay, 323 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: you don't owe it what the Packers fans. Yeah, Carson 324 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: eventually talked about it. Yes, he talked about he didn't 325 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: want to play for a losing organization anymore. He didn't 326 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: like he didn't think that the Bengals were a NFL franchise. 327 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: You know, their practice facility was horror. I mean there's 328 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: a long thing list of things that Carson talked about there. 329 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: Well we ever get a full, full, honest explanation from 330 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 1: Time Brady about why he left New England. That's fair, 331 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: But but he was free to go, like Tom. Tom 332 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: could Yeah, Tom could just walk away. He didn't have 333 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: to say anything. He was like, correct, here here is 334 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: my response to all of this. I'm leaving. I'm gonna 335 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: go play for the Buccaneers. This is different because you 336 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: got money that's tied up with Aaron h And granted 337 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: you did draft his replacement in New England, Jimmy G. 338 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 1: But we saw what happened with Tom Brady. Tom went 339 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: above Belichick to make sure Jimmy G got escorted out 340 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: of the building. He had a power move. Here's here's 341 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: something interesting, Dan, This already unfolded, This very scenario unfolded 342 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: in the NFC. No noruth already this offseason, and no, 343 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: it was not with a Super Bowl winning MVP legendary quarterback, 344 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: but it was with a former number one overall pick 345 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: the Lions in Matthew Stafford went through this dance already. Okay, 346 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: and maybe the Green Bay Pack and I don't know 347 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: when we've ever said this before, should take a pat 348 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: from the Detroit Lions playbook. And these two sides sat down, 349 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: agreed that they would be better a part and used 350 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: it to their advantage. Matthew Stafford now he wanted he 351 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: wounded up in La. The Lions traded him, got three 352 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: ones back for that guy, so everybody won. It was 353 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: not messy. It was a clean divorce. But this is 354 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: this is like somebody said this to me this morning. 355 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: Then they said, it's like the couple that disagrees the 356 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: married couple where they won. Couple wants to go into therapy. 357 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: The other couple wants to get the other person wants 358 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:40,959 Speaker 1: to get a divorced. But they want the person who 359 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: who wants to go say we want the divorce. Ada 360 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: Rodgers doesn't want it. He wants them to do everything. 361 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: He wants them to draft toward and love. He wants 362 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: them to me and then he wants them to trade him. 363 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 1: Went to me, He's just got to come out and 364 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: literally cut the court for everybody and say I'm not 365 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: coming back. But that's why I said, he's got to 366 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: say something at him. You're saying he felt that, okay, 367 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: but you said he didn't owe us No, no, no, 368 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,679 Speaker 1: he doesn't. He owes the situation. So he can't. You 369 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,719 Speaker 1: want clarity, finality, then you can. He can, he can, 370 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: he can create that finality, yes, clarity. No, I don't 371 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: think he's got to specify about Brian Gouda, counstro Jake Coomer. 372 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: But he will give us clarity that he truly wants 373 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: out by saying I truly want out there. Now we 374 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: know I want I'm not coming back. Trade me. How 375 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: does this all? How does this all play out? You're betting, well, 376 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: it's it's the biggest question of the off season, and 377 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: it's the biggest question since Tom Baby became a free 378 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: age of the last offseason in the NFL. And again, nobody, 379 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: the Packers don't have to do anything. Um my guess 380 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 1: is nobody will do anything until they have to. So 381 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: my guesses they'll be OTAs later this morning. He won't 382 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: be there, they'll be training camp. And does he show, 383 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: does he say I owe it to the who I 384 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,679 Speaker 1: really like and the players who I really like to 385 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: be there. Or does his feeling override all that and 386 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,640 Speaker 1: has he made the ultimate decision his mind? It's done 387 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 1: and over and I don't know whether his stance softens. 388 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: Right Like again, people change their minds. That happens in life, 389 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: in football, in business. I couldn't tell you how it's 390 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: going to work out. All I can tell you is 391 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 1: it is an issue. It's a big issue, and it's 392 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: not going away. Dan. Who's the starting quarterback for the 393 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: Packers Week one? That's a great question, right, you know, 394 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,360 Speaker 1: I don't know that Jordan Love is ready for that, 395 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: as much as his need. Franchise invested in him. When 396 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: you when you talk to people, that's that's the great part. 397 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: So if they if they move on, if somehow they 398 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: move on to Aaron Rodgers, they got to bring in 399 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: another quarterback at him. I think so Dan, I think 400 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: so Dan. The way it was described to me this 401 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,360 Speaker 1: all season was I was telling people about Jordan Love, 402 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: people that have watched him practice, and I said, how 403 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: is he? And the exact raise was He's got a 404 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: long way to go. Yeah. I figured, Hey, you're a 405 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: great sport coming on and clarifying it. I appreciate that. Well. 406 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if I offer you much clarity, damn, 407 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 1: but I tried to do the best I could. Yeah, 408 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: I know, Well you did better than Rogers is doing 409 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: right now. Thank you, buddy, Adam Schefter The Adam Schefter Podcast. 410 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick Show Podcast. Be 411 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: sure to catch us live every weekday morning nine until 412 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 1: noon eastern six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, 413 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 1: and you can find us on the iHeartRadio app at 414 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: FSR or stream us live on the Peacock app. Carl 415 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: hackled Vicdowd and Gardard Hathaway. They combined for two goals 416 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: three a ser ago that drove the face off three 417 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: fights simultaneously. Rooney and Dowd teacher Seppy going out it 418 00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 1: with halfaway flock well clip one second is That's how 419 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: it started last night NBCSN, NHL and NBC Inside the 420 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: Glass analyst Pierre maguire was on the call for that 421 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: game last night. It'll be on the call for tonight's 422 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 1: Rangers Bruins matchup NBCSN. Probably less fireworks in that one, 423 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: and Pierre kind enough to join us Pierre. When did 424 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: you sense that there was something that was going to 425 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,400 Speaker 1: happen prior to or quickly after the puck was drawn. 426 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: Probably earlier in the afternoon, Dan, when I had a 427 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: chance to talk to large Ell or the Washington Capitals. 428 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: The Washington Capitals clearly brought their a game, not just 429 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: athletically but physically as well, and I think they were 430 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,400 Speaker 1: tired of some of the rhetoric that was going out 431 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: there about their team. I know the Rangers were very 432 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 1: tired about some of the rhetoric that was going on 433 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 1: around their team. So I think earlier in the afternoon 434 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 1: I kind of felt there was going to be some shenanigans. Ever, 435 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: it's going to happen. Whether it happened at the start 436 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 1: of the game or the middle of the period, I 437 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: didn't know. But also, if you send the fourth line 438 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: out both teams, I'm guessing you're sending out your tough guys. 439 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: And that's not normal for a face off to start 440 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: a matchup, is it. Well. The one thing I'd give 441 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: Peter lave Let, the coach of the Washington Capital, is 442 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: a little leadway on that he doesn't get last change 443 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: because he's on the road and usually the line that 444 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: you're talking about with Doubt Hathaway. At Haggling, they play 445 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: a lot against the other team's top lines, so I 446 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: don't think they were sure what exactly Mike Sullivan was 447 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: going to do. Mike sorry, not myself, and I apologize. 448 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: I'm thinking Pittsburgh what David Quinn was going to do. 449 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: But I would tell you this, David Quinn comes with 450 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,199 Speaker 1: his artillery. They don't have a lot of it obviously 451 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 1: with the Rangers, and then everything kind of gets gone. 452 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 1: Give us the backstory on this, Pierre Well, Obviously, the 453 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 1: Tom Wilson situation on Monday, Dan wasn't something that endeared anybody, 454 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: I think in the hockey world to what happened. I 455 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 1: mean it basically it was Tom Wilson getting involved to 456 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: paddle Busnevitch and then eventually getting involved with our ten Pannaron. 457 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: Pannaron being a superstar player in the league and Tom 458 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: Wilson basically just tossing him down to the ice and 459 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: could have been very, very dangerous obviously, as you know, 460 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: without a helmet off, if he hits his head instead 461 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,360 Speaker 1: of his shoulder, Dan, I think we have a very 462 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 1: large potential problem. Obviously, he hit his shoulder and not 463 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: nearly as much mayhem or or injury caused to Panarin. 464 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: But that's really the backstory of this whole thing with 465 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: Tom Wilson and the New York Rangers. Okay, but five 466 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: thousand dollars, Fine, no suspension. It's not like Tom Wilson 467 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: doesn't have a rap sheet here. But can you factor 468 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: in priors with someone like Tom Wilson and should he 469 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,640 Speaker 1: have been suspended? Well, I said last night, it begs 470 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: the question, why wouldn't you have suspended him for one game? 471 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: And I think if you had suspended him for that 472 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: game last night, you wouldn't have had what we had. 473 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: And I'll just I won't use my words, Dan, I'll 474 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: use the words of Brendan Smith, who got involved and 475 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: fought Tom Wilson. He said at the end of the game. 476 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 1: I have no bad blood with anybody at the Washington Capitals. 477 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: I do with Tom Wilson. And so if Tom Wilson's 478 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: not part of the equation, I don't think we have 479 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: or we had last night, explain the etiquette of fighting 480 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: in today's NHL. I don't know if I can. Things 481 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 1: have changed a lot because of the salary cap. It 482 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: used to be you could carry three or four extra 483 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: players that would be quote unquote enforcers. I don't think 484 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: we have the room the luxury of that anymore, not 485 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: that I call it a luxury, but against the salary cap, 486 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: it's an issue. And now you know you need to 487 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: be a player. You just can't be a one dimensional 488 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: asset to a team in terms of police in a game. 489 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: You've got to be able to play, and if you can't, 490 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 1: then you're not valuable. I will say this, Dan, I 491 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: think it's really important. Tom Wilson's not a one dimensional player. 492 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 1: He's a really good, important power forward for the Washington Capitals. 493 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: He was a major part of a Stanley Cup winning team. 494 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 1: He's not a knuckle dragger. He's a legitimate good player. 495 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: But sometimes he crosses the line. And he did that 496 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: the other night in New York. Okay, but how do 497 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: you get your message across? You know, I go back 498 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: to when the Oilers had Dave Simenko protecting Gretzky. How 499 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: do you how do you enforce without it being fighting 500 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 1: in today's NHL. Well, I think there's a lot of 501 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 1: different ways you can own the pot the other team 502 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: takes penalty is trying to defend against you. You run 503 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 1: the score up on the power play. You can play 504 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: an aggressive four check game and target some of their defensemen. 505 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: You can create matchups that you talked about correctly off 506 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 1: the opening faceoff, where you put a debt player on 507 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: against a star player and you make sure that star 508 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 1: player feels some physical pain. You can do all that stuff. 509 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: But the truth of the matter is, I would like 510 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: to have a player like Tom Wilson on my team. 511 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: I wish Rick Tockett was still playing in the NHL. 512 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: I had the privilege of coaching Rick. We want a 513 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: Stanley Cup with Rick in Pittsburgh in nineteen ninety two, 514 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: and a big reason why we want the physicality and 515 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: the dogged determination of Rick Hackett. They don't make play 516 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 1: a lot of players like that anymore. They really don't. 517 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: Five thousand dollars for a guy who makes whatever, five 518 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: million dollars, I mean, that does seemed like that's really impactful. 519 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: Wouldn't you take a five thousand dollar hit if it 520 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: meant that you were sending a message to a team. 521 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,679 Speaker 1: Mike Wilson did, yeah, but I don't know what message 522 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: he was sending in that situation. Now everybody said, oh, 523 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: was a scrum around the net. Yeah, it was a 524 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 1: harmless scrum in a power place situation. He was out 525 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: there actually killing a penalty. He knew the Rangers didn't 526 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: have any artillery on the ice. So I don't know 527 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: what message he's trying to present. It's already a Washington 528 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 1: Capital's team that's down a lot of people because of 529 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: injury and COVID related instances, a team that's a legitimate 530 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: contender to win the Cup. So I don't know what 531 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: message he was sending to the Rangers. That being said, 532 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: I think he got himself into trouble. Now. It's really 533 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: underscrutiny all the time. Every shift he takes in the league, 534 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: he's under scrutiny. Now, what's the NHL do, if anything? Today? 535 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: They've got to look at the Pavo Boutsnevit's cross check 536 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: on Anthony Mantha. I don't know what they're going to 537 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: do with that. That took place in the third period. 538 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: I mean, that wasn't particularly good, So that's something they're 539 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: going to have to look at. But all that being said, 540 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: I think they have to look back and say, did 541 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: we handle the Tom Wilson situation correctly, Pierre. Great to 542 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: talk to you, buddy, and have fun tonight. Probably a 543 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: little less drama with the Rangers in bruins, right, Really 544 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: nice visity, Really, Dan, thanks a lot. That's Pierre McGuire. 545 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan 546 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific 547 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.