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Speaker 1: This is episode of Native Lampid where we gave it
Speaker 1: to you straight no chaser this holiday season. I am
Speaker 1: your co host Tiffany Cross here with Angela Rye, but
Speaker 1: Kari Sellers and Andrew Gillum. That's right, ladies, first back
Speaker 1: in the lead, chare and we got a busy show
Speaker 1: for y'allday, what are we talking about, guys.
Speaker 3: So much?
Speaker 4: We have some tragedy that of course struck Brown University's
Speaker 4: campus with two students dying summing critical condition. And my godsend,
Speaker 4: happens to be a student there at Brown University, plays
Speaker 4: on the football team, but is an academic on academic scholarship.
Speaker 4: And he will join us today. His name is f
Speaker 4: Ali Ho.
Speaker 3: He'll join us to talk about that shooting that is devastating.
Speaker 5: We're going to definitely keep them in our prayers. I
Speaker 5: just want to take a point of personal privilege here
Speaker 5: before we get too far down in this and give
Speaker 5: a shout out to the South Carolina State Bulldog Bos
Speaker 5: who are there HBCU national champions. I think it's necessary
Speaker 5: for me to say that with UH. With Andrew Gillham
Speaker 5: on this podcast as well, I think we all need
Speaker 5: to give credence to Chenness Burry and the Sacon State Bulldogs.
Speaker 5: I was in Atlanta this past weekend beat preview A
Speaker 5: and M along those same lines. We're going to keep
Speaker 5: it in the football family and talk about something that
Speaker 5: has kind of shocked the cultural world. Coach Sharone Moore, UH,
Speaker 5: coach at University of Michigan. He crashed out a little
Speaker 5: bit and UH we'll talk about all the dynamics around
Speaker 5: his what is now infamous cash crash out as the
Speaker 5: first African American head coach in the history of University
Speaker 5: of Michigan football.
Speaker 3: You can also say cash out, he's cashed out as
Speaker 3: well as.
Speaker 5: Get say that he out of cash.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's too Andrew.
Speaker 2: What you got?
Speaker 6: That's true?
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 6: The tragedy's unfortunately continued this week, and I wanted to
Speaker 6: reflect just for a moment on I think someone who
Speaker 6: was mutually known to a number of us, Rob Reiner,
Speaker 6: his wife Michelle, and they're untimely and very tragic passing.
Speaker 6: Just to reflect a little bit on some I think
Speaker 6: interesting interconnections that different ones of us may have.
Speaker 1: We do want to kick off the show with Rob Reiner. Andrew,
Speaker 1: you and I both had a personal relationship with I
Speaker 1: and Michelle, and on our production call when we were
Speaker 1: talking about the show, you shared that you guys had lunch,
Speaker 1: I believe breakfast when you were on the campaign trail,
Speaker 1: and I've certainly broken bread with them. But want to
Speaker 1: hear your story about your time and just really quickly
Speaker 1: before so our viewers know. This week, Rob Reiner and
Speaker 1: his wife Michelle were found deceased in their home in
Speaker 1: their Los Angeles home, and what came out later this
Speaker 1: week is that their son Nick is being charged with
Speaker 1: those murders. So very tragic story all around, and even
Speaker 1: our ignorant ass, remorseless ass president weighed in on it.
Speaker 1: But I would love for us to just first focus
Speaker 1: on the beautiful life and the beautiful person that Rob
Speaker 1: Reiner was, he and his lovely wife Michelle. So, Andrew,
Speaker 1: what was your experience with.
Speaker 6: Yes, me had actually for those who who know me
Speaker 6: maybe followed the campaign a little bit, you know that
Speaker 6: Norman Lear and I were very close. I worked for
Speaker 6: the organization he founded, People for the American Way and
Speaker 6: people for the American Way Foundation for all the years
Speaker 6: of my early career working and movement work, and got
Speaker 6: very close to Norman and his wife Lynn. And as
Speaker 6: a result of that, if you knew Norman, then you
Speaker 6: knew Rob because Norman in some ways kind of discovered
Speaker 6: him even though Carl rein Or his father, was already
Speaker 6: in the entertainment business. He tells his story of playing
Speaker 6: jacks with one of Norman's daughters, one of his older daughters,
Speaker 6: and Norman reflecting to Carl, you know, hey, that kid's
Speaker 6: kind of funny, and Carl basically saying that kid, no,
Speaker 6: he's a mute. He doesn't talk. You know, his father,
Speaker 6: Carl didn't really observe him as being someone who could
Speaker 6: really be a participant in this very outwardly facing business
Speaker 6: of entertainment, and Norman saw something different, ended up, of course,
Speaker 6: casting him for the role that so many of us
Speaker 6: came to know him as. And that was me head
Speaker 6: from all in the family show that you know, we
Speaker 6: probably could debate this another time that I would question
Speaker 6: whether or not could even take liftoff in today's environment.
Speaker 6: It just held such a vivid mirror up to the
Speaker 6: country through the use of satire about the kind of
Speaker 6: overt discrimination and racism that existed, and Rob played a
Speaker 6: very memorable role as sort of the liberal student and
Speaker 6: the son in law to Archie Bunker. That again, I
Speaker 6: think held up a really important vivid mirror mirror to
Speaker 6: the country to see itself reflected. But through satire, which
Speaker 6: I think is sometimes the best way of helping us
Speaker 6: reckon with some of the more difficult issues in our community.
Speaker 6: We got Rob was a mainstay around people for the
Speaker 6: American Waves events that we would all hold each year
Speaker 6: in Los Angeles. And actually during the campaign, my campaign
Speaker 6: for governor, I made a number of trips out to
Speaker 6: Los Angeles and on one of those occasions got to
Speaker 6: sit down with Rob and Norman Lear for lunch. And
Speaker 6: you know, frankly, it was a very welcome actually after
Speaker 6: giving him a quick update of the race, of a
Speaker 6: very welcome distraction from the race for governor, just watching
Speaker 6: them and listening to them and laughing. But a personality
Speaker 6: that's just so big, a heart that's so big, a
Speaker 6: man who cared so big. I didn't know Michelle, as
Speaker 6: you know as well, but could only imagine that a
Speaker 6: person with such a huge heart, could only find his
Speaker 6: match in someone with equally as large a heart.
Speaker 5: And so.
Speaker 6: You know, prayers up for him in his family and
Speaker 6: the very tragic circumstances surrounding his passing in Tiffany, I
Speaker 6: know you also had your experiences with them, and I
Speaker 6: love to hear.
Speaker 1: Well, I want to be celebratory of his life because
Speaker 1: he was such a staple in my life before we
Speaker 1: even had a chance to meet. He was not, as
Speaker 1: you said, the iconic character meathead on all in the family,
Speaker 1: but he also like my early, my earliest movies that
Speaker 1: I was so addicted to. He was a producer, so
Speaker 1: stand by me, that was one of my favorite movies,
Speaker 1: The Princess Bride. I still know every line from that movie.
Speaker 1: When Harry met Sally is one of the movies I
Speaker 1: watch every Christmas. Misery of You Good Men, Ghost of Mississippi.
Speaker 1: He was so conscious and so talented, and so I
Speaker 1: just really enjoyed when I got a chance to put
Speaker 1: a face to the name and a personality to this
Speaker 1: person who had shaped my childhood, much of my childhood.
Speaker 2: But the sad part of this is so.
Speaker 1: When I this is probably twenty eighteen, I was in
Speaker 1: La and Rob knew I was going to be there,
Speaker 1: and he asked if I wanted to come out to
Speaker 1: Brentwood and have lunch with him and his wife Michelle,
Speaker 1: or if I want to come to their home and
Speaker 1: have dinner. And so because of my schedule, we ended
Speaker 1: up having lunch and we had the most wonderful time.
Speaker 1: I will honor their privacy about some of the teams
Speaker 1: they shared, but the crazy parties. They were talking to
Speaker 1: me about their son Nick and how many problems and
Speaker 1: how many challenges they were having and who knew you
Speaker 1: know that years later that you know he would be
Speaker 1: charged with their murders, which is so sad. But they
Speaker 1: were asking how I grew up. I was telling them,
Speaker 1: and they were kind of debating between them about how
Speaker 1: to handle their son, and it was just so awful.
Speaker 1: Another one of my favorite shows is Curb Your Enthusiasm
Speaker 1: with Larry David. It is just an amazing show. I
Speaker 1: think in my younger years I was like, Larry David
Speaker 1: is an asshole, and my older years, I'm like, Larry
Speaker 1: David had it right. So when I watched now, I
Speaker 1: have a completely different take. And so Rob and Larry
Speaker 1: David are really close friends, and I was telling them
Speaker 1: how much I love Curb Your Enthusiasm. And there's an
Speaker 1: episode where they go out to dinner. Larry David and
Speaker 1: his wife Cheryl played by Cheryl Hines. They go to
Speaker 1: dinner with another couple and so this other couple they
Speaker 1: treat Larry and his wife to dinner and Larry thanks
Speaker 1: the man. He says, you know, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for dinner. And the wife is there and she's like, okay,
Speaker 1: well what about me? And he's like, yo, okay, like
Speaker 1: what about you. I thanked your husband. He paid for dinner.
Speaker 1: She's like, well, we paid for dinner. It's our money.
Speaker 1: And he's like, you don't work. Is your husband's money.
Speaker 1: And it gets into this whole thing. So when I'm
Speaker 1: telling Rob and Michelle's story, and Michelle's like, you know,
Speaker 1: he based that episode on us, that happened with.
Speaker 6: Us, and.
Speaker 2: He only thanksout.
Speaker 1: So I just I love their whole like friend crew,
Speaker 1: their friendship. And he was such a wonderful man when
Speaker 1: I got my show. He was so celebratory. He was
Speaker 1: always on joy sale Joy read, and he also had
Speaker 1: a close friendship. So I just honor his talent and
Speaker 1: so much of his life that he lived on screen
Speaker 1: behind the camera, but also as a really good patriot
Speaker 1: in today's society and all the things that he did,
Speaker 1: he supported so many causes that benefit the greater good,
Speaker 1: and so I want us to focus on that and
Speaker 1: highlight that. But I do know, Angela, we were talking
Speaker 1: about on the call that it was really disgusting to
Speaker 1: see Donald Trump post on truth Social. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's worth really revisiting what he said, but it was
Speaker 1: just really ugly things that Donald Trump said because he's
Speaker 1: a child, a petulant child, and so I know you
Speaker 1: were really upset by that, Angela.
Speaker 2: So curious your thoughts about all of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I hate to do this, but just to
Speaker 4: refresh the viewers recollection or actually give them some window
Speaker 4: into the soul of who this man is who now
Speaker 4: sits in the chair as commander in chief of this union,
Speaker 4: I think should actually roll the clip.
Speaker 6: A number of Republicans have denounced your statement on True's
Speaker 6: Social after the murder of Rob Reiner.
Speaker 2: Do you stand by that post?
Speaker 8: Well, I wasn't a fan of his at all. He
Speaker 8: was a deranged person as far as Trump is concerned.
Speaker 8: He said he knew it was false affect. It is
Speaker 8: the exact opposite that I was a friend of Russia
Speaker 8: controlled by Russia. You know, it was the Russia hoax.
Speaker 8: He was one of the people behind it. I think
Speaker 8: he heard himself in career wise, he became like a
Speaker 8: deranged person Trump derangement syndrome. So I was not a
Speaker 8: fan of Rob Reiner at all in any way, shape
Speaker 8: or form.
Speaker 3: I thought he was very bad for our country.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so tif you normally say the cheese stands alone,
Speaker 4: and it's normally about somebody standing on the side of righteousness.
Speaker 4: This cheese cheesy nut is standing, you know, clearly, like
Speaker 4: not even the fact that he could use the words
Speaker 4: deranged after the type of killing, like gruesome murder they suffered,
Speaker 4: as is alleged, I think is so unfortunate.
Speaker 3: And this country is run by this man who.
Speaker 4: Will get out regularly promote information that it has no
Speaker 4: you know foundation. In fact, he will sound so callous. Actually,
Speaker 4: I'm actually surprised about what he said about Brown, because
Speaker 4: at least he found some compassion for Brown students and
Speaker 4: for the people who suffer that tragedy on the campus.
Speaker 4: But it is remarkable to me the things that come
Speaker 4: out of his mouth, and I know that at some
Speaker 4: point I should stop being surprised, but there just is
Speaker 4: no floor, you know, there is just absolutely no floor.
Speaker 4: So for people to be suffering like this during the
Speaker 4: holiday season or at all, and then for him to
Speaker 4: say anything about some Trump derangement syndrome, which is a
Speaker 4: completely made up met I mean, it's just anyway. I
Speaker 4: wanted to play that because, you know, it's shocking to
Speaker 4: me that there's someone who could be the commander in
Speaker 4: chief and say something so ugly, even in times when
Speaker 4: people really disagree, you never wish death on anyone.
Speaker 3: These are things that we know.
Speaker 4: I don't just think their Christian principles certainly rooted in
Speaker 4: the church, but there are people that just find and
Speaker 4: tap into their humanity and he just cannot do that.
Speaker 4: So I wanted to play that because I think it's
Speaker 4: interesting that they gave him an opportunity to say, you
Speaker 4: know what, I went too far in truth social you
Speaker 4: know what, I should have done something different, and he
Speaker 4: just doubled down into bs.
Speaker 6: You know, it's a great it's not a great, but
Speaker 6: it's interesting to contrast that to how Rob Reiner responded
Speaker 6: to the death of Charlie Kirk with such great humanity,
Speaker 6: and even though on opposite sides of probably every side
Speaker 6: of most issues political still have the human compassion, the
Speaker 6: human awareness, the human experience to say, this should not
Speaker 6: have happened, and it shouldn't happen to anybody, regardless of
Speaker 6: where we stand on the political divide. But that's just
Speaker 6: you who. That's who Rob Reiner was, and this is
Speaker 6: who Donald Trump is. He's a megalomaniac and in every condition,
Speaker 6: in every situation, he's got to figure out how to
Speaker 6: make it about himself. And I think that that is
Speaker 6: I don't know how far medicine goes and sort of
Speaker 6: handicapping that kind of a condition, but I do think
Speaker 6: that there's something the synapses are not all working, they're
Speaker 6: not all flaring, that caused you to deepen into your
Speaker 6: humanity when every situation has to be somehow converted to
Speaker 6: being about you, no matter what it is.
Speaker 5: No, I'm just listening. I it's it's hard to dive
Speaker 5: into a discussion as robust as this because I didn't
Speaker 5: have the personal relationship with Rob Ryiner, and uh, you know,
Speaker 5: I think it's fascinating to see the individuals in your orbit,
Speaker 5: because I was questioning whether or not his death would
Speaker 5: actually break through the fourth wall, because you know, all
Speaker 5: in the family was a little bit before my time.
Speaker 5: I did love him in Woofle Wall Street. I think
Speaker 5: that that was probably the best acting scene I've ever
Speaker 5: seen in my life with he and Leeho DiCaprio and
Speaker 5: they're discussing the expense report. Yeah, and it's just it
Speaker 5: was like a room full of amazing actors in that space.
Speaker 5: But to hear you all talk about it shows that
Speaker 5: it did kind of break through that fourth wall, that
Speaker 5: it has permeated more mainstream thought because of his impact,
Speaker 5: and I think that that is symblematic or emblematic of
Speaker 5: his impact. That's kind of first. Second, I do think
Speaker 5: it's death highlights two political issues that I would love
Speaker 5: to hear you all's input on. One is the role
Speaker 5: of or how we discuss and talk about mental health
Speaker 5: in his country, whether or not it's Rob's son, or
Speaker 5: whether or not it's the heavy dose of psychopathy that
Speaker 5: our president suffers from, and how we address it and
Speaker 5: the narcissism. I would talked about this on CNN the
Speaker 5: other night and got a bunch of doctors who you know,
Speaker 5: a lot of black doctors were saying that the word
Speaker 5: you missed Bokari is narcissism, and we don't really talk
Speaker 5: about it enough. I don't talk about it enough in
Speaker 5: association with him. I try to stay away from diagnosing
Speaker 5: people with mental health issues because I'm sure I can
Speaker 5: be diagnosed with enough. But I do think it highlights
Speaker 5: both of those things. And then the other issue is
Speaker 5: I am fascinated by the role of Christian nationalism or
Speaker 5: Christian conservatism or white evangelical Christianity, whichever one of those,
Speaker 5: or however you want to couch it, and they're coddling
Speaker 5: of Donald Trump. And I love to hear you guys
Speaker 5: dig into it, because you know, you have somebody who
Speaker 5: has a prayer counsel, you have somebody who has that
Speaker 5: Christian nationalist whatever, however you want to phrase it. And
Speaker 5: I don't know what the correct definition of it is.
Speaker 5: But he has that block of this country behind him,
Speaker 5: and yet he doesn't have that walk that we would
Speaker 5: all aspire to have. He's not on the same journey
Speaker 5: that we would even though we fail. I mean I
Speaker 5: fail every day I wake up. You know, that's a
Speaker 5: part of that journey. How does that work politically? And
Speaker 5: how does that? How do we how do we crack
Speaker 5: into that? Do we crack into that? Is it worth
Speaker 5: cracking into it? Or do you all see that as
Speaker 5: not an issue as you look at Rob Ryer's death,
Speaker 5: because that's the first thing, or one of the first things,
Speaker 5: because I didn't have a personal relationship that I thought
Speaker 5: was all of these Christian conservatives supporting a man who
Speaker 5: literally has no ethos. It's two Corinthians.
Speaker 1: I think it's never been in Bible school in his life.
Speaker 1: I think this is something that the media calls them.
Speaker 1: I don't call them Christians or evangelicals, and the data
Speaker 1: supports that. You know, the and for a long time,
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said white evangelicals vacari because for a
Speaker 1: long time the white was silent. They would just say evangelicals.
Speaker 1: The white was silent, but the hypocrisy was loud. During
Speaker 1: Trump's first term. I'm sure you guys know this. The
Speaker 1: number of Americans who identified as evangelicals expanded under his
Speaker 1: first term, firmly in his corners.
Speaker 2: In twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: Now more than eighty percent of white evangelicals voted for
Speaker 1: Donald Trump in the last election. In twenty twenty four,
Speaker 1: and I know, I think of all the black women
Speaker 1: who are you know, Christian toten Bible toten deacon board
Speaker 1: members in people in the pews every Sunday, and that
Speaker 1: group has never been referred to as evangelicals. And I
Speaker 1: think research came out from Pew that reported sixty nine
Speaker 1: percent of these white evangelicals say they only attend religious
Speaker 1: services two or three times a year or less, emphasis
Speaker 1: on the or less. So I wonder what did they
Speaker 1: do to earn this title of evangelicals or Christians?
Speaker 5: Well maybe, I mean I look at the like, I'm
Speaker 5: in the South, Andrew's in the South. And one of
Speaker 5: the things I can tell you about being in the
Speaker 5: South is we all have that one first Baptist church
Speaker 5: that's white town does downtown and it's all white. It's
Speaker 5: literally all white and a negro insight, right. And then
Speaker 5: you got a Baptist church that's probably like in the
Speaker 5: black side of town. That's huge, right. And I'm talking
Speaker 5: about the fact that these the people who go to
Speaker 5: First Baptists in the heart of every southern city downtown,
Speaker 5: ninety eight percent of them still voted for Donald Trump.
Speaker 5: Now we can call them whatever we want to, and
Speaker 5: that that is kind of our if we're ever And
Speaker 5: this is a bold statement for me to make, and
Speaker 5: this is indicative of this Rob Ryner situation. And this
Speaker 5: is where this is. This is how I take the
Speaker 5: pressure off of the four of us and changing the world,
Speaker 5: because I say, the country will never change unless white
Speaker 5: male evangelicals want it to. And I just firmly believe
Speaker 5: that no matter how much we push a prad the
Speaker 5: country will never change its direction, of course, unless white
Speaker 5: male evangelicals wanted to. And I look at these individuals
Speaker 5: still standing behind this man who went to the depths
Speaker 5: of hell to talk about somebody who had the heart
Speaker 5: that you all described in the terms that he did, you.
Speaker 6: Know, Butcury, I sort of when I hear the term evangelical,
Speaker 6: to me, it has much more of a political connotation
Speaker 6: than it does a religious one. And part of this
Speaker 6: for me probably comes out of the you know, the
Speaker 6: movement helmed by the radical right, the quote radical right
Speaker 6: evangelicals who were attempting to transform frankly take hostage Christianity
Speaker 6: religious religiosity in this country and bastardize it into a
Speaker 6: political terminology that they could then convert religious believers, Christian believer,
Speaker 6: Christian white religious believers into a political commodity. They were
Speaker 6: evolved into a vote block that was largely intended one
Speaker 6: to further codifyde and white male supremacy in the family
Speaker 6: and in community, and moreover, to then control the bodies
Speaker 6: of their women, white women largely, but women writ large
Speaker 6: because the impact was cast so broadly on all women
Speaker 6: and their reproductive rights. They organized, you know, through the
Speaker 6: seventies and early eighties on television as many of us,
Speaker 6: you know, sort of recall, and were largely weaponized during
Speaker 6: the Reagan administration to again advance a political electoral outcome.
Speaker 6: And so I don't give them the grace, the credit,
Speaker 6: the merit of having religious favor on their side, or
Speaker 6: even deep religious beliefs on their side. I see control,
Speaker 6: I see white male supremacy, and I see the bastard
Speaker 6: of real faith. Uh in favor of creating a political
Speaker 6: block that could be negotiated with, can be moved, you know,
Speaker 6: from from here to there, largely on the Republican side,
Speaker 6: to to stretch their muscle in the context of primaries
Speaker 6: to produce a candidate who would move their political agenda
Speaker 6: and I think that that's what the You know, so
Speaker 6: the people who who sort of began this conversation on
Speaker 6: the right actually hope to hope to achieve was a
Speaker 6: political heavyweight and not a religious test, not even a
Speaker 6: faith test, not not the production of a more religious
Speaker 6: or god faithful country. They wanted a more white male
Speaker 6: uh hegemonist society, and they weaponized and then bastardized faith
Speaker 6: to achieve that end. So they don't get real credit
Speaker 6: with me. It is a political term as far as
Speaker 6: I'm concerned. And where where people who might consider themselves
Speaker 6: truly faithful on the right come down in this sort
Speaker 6: of equation, in my opinion, is that they have made
Speaker 6: their peace with being in common cause over the issue
Speaker 6: largely of reproductive health and of controlling women's bodies uh
Speaker 6: and frankly making illegal abortions aside from that issue. Can't,
Speaker 6: I can't. They're not organizing for the poor, they're not
Speaker 6: rallying behind the the health and well being of children.
Speaker 5: They're not doing they're doing.
Speaker 6: They're not doing it to others as you would have
Speaker 6: them builty. They're not doing any of that. All the
Speaker 6: verses that we know of, they don't live that life.
Speaker 6: They're a political commodity traded back and forth on the
Speaker 6: on the on the on the on the conservative right.
Speaker 6: As far as I'm.
Speaker 4: Concerned, yeah, I think now is a good time since
Speaker 4: we probably will not crack the code on uh white
Speaker 4: evangelicals in white Christian nationalism today. But what we do
Speaker 4: know is that their Plan A may not work, and
Speaker 4: so there's Plan B A little pun intended. As we
Speaker 4: transitioned to Sharon Moore, who was rumored to have door
Speaker 4: dashed some plan be over to his mistress at the
Speaker 4: University of Michigan. He, of course, is the head football
Speaker 4: coach at the school, was recently fired after the relationship
Speaker 4: that she previously concealed and he definitely concealed throughout the duration,
Speaker 4: was discovered from the University of Michigan. She broke up with,
Speaker 4: as reported the coach on December eighth, and then told
Speaker 4: the University of Michigan about the relationship on December tenth.
Speaker 4: He was fired. He had some moments Bakari wants to
Speaker 4: talk about, and I want to talk about if she
Speaker 4: should be fired, because people right now are talking about
Speaker 4: whether or not a subordinate should be fired in this circumstance.
Speaker 3: So I'd love to hear y'all thoughts on this.
Speaker 4: It's a little bit of white mess, a little bit
Speaker 4: of black mess, we'll call a little bit of.
Speaker 3: But it is a mess.
Speaker 4: And we were talking about mental health earlier, so all
Speaker 4: jokes society also had a really severe breakdown.
Speaker 3: It looks like my thre man.
Speaker 5: No, he did.
Speaker 3: Threatening her life.
Speaker 5: He didn't have no severe mental break. It was a
Speaker 5: butter knife that man took him. It was Tiffany. He
Speaker 5: was playing game the.
Speaker 4: Way you shouldn't thrown nobody's life. You shouldn't threaten to
Speaker 4: take hers.
Speaker 5: Can I can I ask all a question? Yes, Yeah,
Speaker 5: he took out a butter knife andry. That man wasn't seriously,
Speaker 5: he wasn't about to do nothing. Have y'all ever have
Speaker 5: y'all have y'all ever been in a relationship where either
Speaker 5: you crashed out of the other person crashed out. Yes, yes,
Speaker 5: I want to hear about it. Can you talk about it?
Speaker 4: No, I want to talk about this black man and
Speaker 4: I can talk about it.
Speaker 6: I'm much more interested in but Car's question.
Speaker 5: About we're talking about she should be fired in a minute.
Speaker 5: But I want to hear about the crash outs.
Speaker 2: Yes, I can talk about it.
Speaker 1: I let me just say first, I'm never the aggressor,
Speaker 1: you know, like I didn't and I don't know, okay anyway,
Speaker 1: anyway energy, if you aggress I'm not when I'm arguing
Speaker 1: with somebody.
Speaker 2: So it depends what your crash out looks like.
Speaker 1: When I'm in argument with a man and it's only
Speaker 1: been one person to make me move this way, I
Speaker 1: don't yell, I don't curse. I'm not you know, like,
Speaker 1: it's not one of those like situations where you know,
Speaker 1: we got Jahen playing in the background and I'm throwing
Speaker 1: ship out on the lawn or anything like that.
Speaker 3: I have thrown stuff I see, I don't do.
Speaker 2: I'm not violent. It's nothing like that.
Speaker 3: I was not violent.
Speaker 1: I am going to hit you in the place that
Speaker 1: it hurts the most, in the most calming way. And
Speaker 1: so this guy, he was not very nice to me,
Speaker 1: and he did something that I he was just not
Speaker 1: nice to me. Angela knows the whole story. So he
Speaker 1: just wasn't a nice person to me. And we were fighting,
Speaker 1: and he was divorced and he had a really touchy
Speaker 1: relationship with his kids, and amidst this fight, I said
Speaker 1: maybe that's why your own kids don't even like you.
Speaker 1: And that was probably the worst thing I could say
Speaker 1: to him. Well, it was the worst thing I could say.
Speaker 1: It was a wound that he has shared with me,
Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to excuse it. I would just
Speaker 1: say there was months and months and months of him
Speaker 1: hurting me and so then when I lashed out, that's
Speaker 1: how I did it. So that's my version of crashing out.
Speaker 1: I think it's different if somebody pulls a knife, butter
Speaker 1: or otherwise on somebody. I think that kind of crash
Speaker 1: out is a little different. I know angel does not
Speaker 1: want to talk about crashing out, but I want to ask,
Speaker 1: and I think this.
Speaker 2: If y'all have an opinion, that's fine. But I kind
Speaker 2: of feel like.
Speaker 1: This is a question specific to Angela because I know
Speaker 1: I have thoughts. When you hear about this kind of
Speaker 1: crash out, does it make a difference to you? Because
Speaker 1: I know what I want to know is the wife
Speaker 1: white or black woman? That's my point. So when you
Speaker 1: know that, does it make a difference on how you
Speaker 1: respond or how you feel about the situation.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's no comment.
Speaker 5: Advertising. I'll just say this is.
Speaker 3: What I will This is what fight the power. This
Speaker 3: is what I will say. And I got my black
Speaker 3: leather on to day.
Speaker 4: At least it's vegan leather, but I got it, you.
Speaker 3: Know, thank you. I will just say that what troubles
Speaker 3: me about this story in particular, and I think there's
Speaker 3: historical context.
Speaker 4: I said to somebody the other day, I was like,
Speaker 4: this might be the first time I've ever agreed with doctor.
Speaker 3: Umar on some stuff, but like, it just feels like.
Speaker 4: Black women in the same position as this subordinate at
Speaker 4: school would not be would not have the same protection
Speaker 4: by the school. I do not believe even based on
Speaker 4: what's the policy they have listed. The policy they put
Speaker 4: in place after the provost at the school was sexually
Speaker 4: harassing women is policy number twoh one point ninety seven.
Speaker 4: And in that policy they require that if you're in
Speaker 4: a relationship with the subordinate, the supervisor must report the relationship. Well,
Speaker 4: he denied the relationship, and so did this subordinate. But
Speaker 4: she actively concealed text messages and denied the relationship. I
Speaker 4: don't know what happened for her to break up with him,
Speaker 4: but I just think that in these situations.
Speaker 3: I want to know more. I want to know more
Speaker 3: about what happened.
Speaker 4: I'm not justifying his violent behavior at all, but I'm
Speaker 4: very curious to know, you know what, like, did she
Speaker 4: threaten him?
Speaker 3: Was this an extortion moment?
Speaker 4: Was like what happened to make her say now I'm
Speaker 4: gonna report this relationship after denying it? And then two,
Speaker 4: I just feel like, again, if a black woman were
Speaker 4: in the same position, One, she wouldn't have got that
Speaker 4: fifty five raise this young lady got.
Speaker 3: And two I think that she would have been fired.
Speaker 1: To the lawyer, Yes, go ahead, what you just read,
Speaker 1: Angela said, the supervisor must disclose the relationship. Errol, The
Speaker 1: onus is on the supervisor. So I don't see wrongdoing
Speaker 1: in her part legally.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no.
Speaker 4: This is the part of me and Barcaria are arguing
Speaker 4: about because I'm saying that that is true. That is
Speaker 4: what their policy says. It's not the law. That's what
Speaker 4: University of Michigan's policy is. But if you're confronted about
Speaker 4: an alleged relationship and you deny said relationship, and you
Speaker 4: also concealed text messages they went through her phone, So
Speaker 4: when you do all of that, you are actively doing
Speaker 4: something wrong. I think she should be penalized, whether it's
Speaker 4: the suspension or something.
Speaker 3: I think that she should be penalized too, I really do.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying he shouldn't be fired, he should be fired,
Speaker 4: but I'm saying there should be some type of penalty
Speaker 4: for involvement in the relationship.
Speaker 5: They're two different things too, I hear you, Tiffany. But
Speaker 5: the first thing is Angels talking about something that falls
Speaker 5: outside of outside of that ordinance that she read, because
Speaker 5: she's talking about impeding some type of internal investigation or
Speaker 5: obstructing it, which the young lady clearly did. However, she
Speaker 5: eventually came back and rectified all of that and told
Speaker 5: her truth and brought receipts and all those other type
Speaker 5: of things. But it's very difficult to in this word.
Speaker 5: I know we're going to get crucified or I am
Speaker 5: in the comments for using this word and describing her,
Speaker 5: but this is an accurate legal term in describing her
Speaker 5: in this situation. You cannot fire the victim of any
Speaker 5: type of sexual harassment or improper relationship in this setting.
Speaker 5: You just simply cannot. They already gonna have to pay her.
Speaker 5: Firing her looks like some form of retribution, and if
Speaker 5: I was advising him. I'd just be like, you keep
Speaker 5: her along. The other thing is I think a black
Speaker 5: woman would have got to raise because apparently it was
Speaker 5: that good that he was handing out raises and everything else.
Speaker 5: So he ain't get no approval. He was like, he
Speaker 5: was like, man, this box is amazing. He goes. So
Speaker 5: that's that's my opinion. But andrew back to my question,
Speaker 5: which was the best question asked on this show in
Speaker 5: a long time. I've actually crashed out once with my
Speaker 5: current wife. She made me mad. She went down the
Speaker 5: homecoming that's not even her homecoming back.
Speaker 3: She made me mad.
Speaker 5: Argument. Yeah, she went to more House spelling because you know,
Speaker 5: her whole family went down there, and she's like, we
Speaker 5: going to the club and all this other stuff. We
Speaker 5: had been arguing, arguing, arguing, and I punched a hole
Speaker 5: in the wall, okay.
Speaker 2: In front of her.
Speaker 5: No, she was gone. We were on the phone. I
Speaker 5: hung up and punched the hole in the wall, not
Speaker 5: with her not around.
Speaker 3: I hope your hand hurt too. I hope your hand
Speaker 3: hurt really, But.
Speaker 2: What was the anger? What drove you to that reaction?
Speaker 5: But I was like, I'm not I didn't go because
Speaker 5: I hadn't been because we had an awful homecoming experience
Speaker 5: the first time I took her, which is a whole
Speaker 5: nother episode because for you all who haven't been to
Speaker 5: an HBCU homecoming, we fought all night long over that
Speaker 5: one question you should never ask at an HBCU homecoming
Speaker 5: if you didn't go, which.
Speaker 6: Is did you mess with her?
Speaker 5: Who is that? Did you mess yet? Exactly? Please? Cause
Speaker 5: they give they give hugs that are different at HB
Speaker 5: So I didn't go back for a long period of time,
Speaker 5: but she went with her sisters whatever, and then I
Speaker 5: punched a hole in the wall. We ended up breaking
Speaker 5: up after that, but we got back together after some time.
Speaker 1: But I'm confused with her. Then you punched the hole
Speaker 1: in the wall? Why was it that she was at homecoming?
Speaker 1: Was it that she was there to spite you? Was
Speaker 1: it that she might have run into some dudes and
Speaker 1: they might have hollered at her?
Speaker 5: The above, all of the above, And when you're irrational,
Speaker 5: you're irrational and it makes no sense, and then you
Speaker 5: wake up in the morning you're like, I got this
Speaker 5: hole in the wall.
Speaker 6: I got a passion thing.
Speaker 5: So that was funny. No, I make sure there was
Speaker 5: no stud right there. I wasn't silly. Uh. And then
Speaker 5: I got crashed out.
Speaker 6: On load load no load, daring walls here.
Speaker 5: And then I got crashed out on one time. I'm
Speaker 5: not gonna say who, but in college one time, my
Speaker 5: senior year, my good friend Jared Lodhuk, Uh, my my
Speaker 5: ex girlfriend came in the house and she was like,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna just go back here.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 5: She had been mad at me for something, probably because
Speaker 5: I was too good of an American, and she put
Speaker 5: all my clothes. She put all my clothes in the tub.
Speaker 5: And when Jared walked back there, my entire closet, she
Speaker 5: had bleach out, and he like he stopped her. He
Speaker 5: stopped her from pouring bleach on my clothes.
Speaker 6: But oh my god, but I.
Speaker 5: Did have I did it. When I got home, I
Speaker 5: was like, why are all my clothes in the tub?
Speaker 5: And he was like, you're lucky. It almost got worse
Speaker 5: than this. So shut out to my brother for for
Speaker 5: saving me on that infamous crash out moment.
Speaker 6: Did you want to share? Did you want to share yours? No?
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 4: I wanted to talk about this white woman and this
Speaker 4: black man and what happened as a result because his
Speaker 4: crash I was severe. He went to jail. I had
Speaker 4: never been to jail. I never threatened violence on anybody.
Speaker 1: I will say I had a respond to something about
Speaker 1: with the white man. And because I'm still a little confused,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you. You tell me what I got wrong.
Speaker 1: He's married, she works at the school doing what do
Speaker 1: we know what she does?
Speaker 4: She's an assistant mistress.
Speaker 1: She's talking about the mistress. Is she his administrative assistant?
Speaker 5: Yes, executive assistant.
Speaker 2: She's his executive assistant.
Speaker 1: These two start having an affair, and you said that
Speaker 1: he sent he uh uber eats her a Plan B.
Speaker 2: Like, how did all this blow up?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 3: So yeah, so they that is what is rumored.
Speaker 4: I don't have any fact on that, but it is
Speaker 4: interesting because they're saying how this relationship was discovered, right
Speaker 4: that there was a door dash or some type of
Speaker 4: order of Plan B to the office and it was
Speaker 4: discovered in that way. I know that's ignorant, but it
Speaker 4: makes it tracks because this whole thing is ignorant. She
Speaker 4: was an administrative assistant in the athletic department. You see
Speaker 4: him like on the field with her talking to her
Speaker 4: if that was the practice or a game. I think
Speaker 4: it was a break before a game. But they were
Speaker 4: in a relationship and it's been ongoing for at least
Speaker 4: a year.
Speaker 3: It's been like.
Speaker 5: Okay, but it was. It was one of those things.
Speaker 5: It was a well known secret, well known, well known secrets. Yeah,
Speaker 5: open secret, Like they would walk around on campus together.
Speaker 5: The football players would would kind of pick on they
Speaker 5: would talk about it, pick on him about it. It
Speaker 5: was a well known secret. Her father is actually the
Speaker 5: executive scout for the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 3: How about that? How about that? So so I think
Speaker 3: that's why I'm thinking.
Speaker 4: I think that this is far more nefarious than what
Speaker 4: is alleged.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I was gonna say, this just goes deep
Speaker 5: and deep water here and we can this is a
Speaker 5: mini pod. When I got elected and when I got
Speaker 5: elected in two thousand and six, one of my family
Speaker 5: friends who is a very well known former.
Speaker 4: Remember, wait, but Carr, you're add tip did you get
Speaker 4: clarity on this on this storyline?
Speaker 2: Though still I'm sure how it all blew up.
Speaker 5: But I was this ties in tied together. No, no, no,
Speaker 5: because I'm not gonna mention his name, but yeah, but
Speaker 5: he was. He's very popular, very well known, very well
Speaker 5: known politician, but he's a close family friend. And he
Speaker 5: told me when I got elected, he said, you never
Speaker 5: hire anyone that's attractive. And he said, either you are
Speaker 5: sleeping with him or people think you're sleeping with him.
Speaker 5: And I know that that probably is one of the
Speaker 5: more misogynistic, sexist type of ideals. I was looking at
Speaker 5: my friend Ben Watson his He was talking about his
Speaker 5: college football coach. Ben is a great guy, played tight
Speaker 5: end at the at the Georgia Bulldogs played in the
Speaker 5: NFL twenty years and he said his college football coach
Speaker 5: would not get in the elevator with the woman by himself.
Speaker 5: And I know that's an outdated but so that's my
Speaker 5: question to y'all. And I don't know if Andrew heard
Speaker 5: anything similar. It doesn't.
Speaker 6: I was supposed to hire a mother figure for my
Speaker 6: off and I sure did, Angela Whitaker.
Speaker 7: Love her to death.
Speaker 6: She's a preacher and uh uh and was my EA.
Speaker 6: And she had the discernment of Jesus' first acolyte. You know,
Speaker 6: if you will calling office for I mean I had honestly,
Speaker 6: when I first got elected, I had people who missed
Speaker 6: us a contestant, Come bring her fold out book, walk
Speaker 6: me through the pictures, and when she got crowned.
Speaker 5: This is that.
Speaker 6: I mean, my my aid was in for every meeting
Speaker 6: that she was suspicious of. Uh, sat right there in
Speaker 6: the room.
Speaker 5: Job you give her?
Speaker 6: There were no jobs out, none, but car you hilarious,
Speaker 6: you really are. I'm I'm not following you down into
Speaker 6: any of those drains, however, But the point is is
Speaker 6: that yes, it was stated, and then it was like, okay,
Speaker 6: my progressive self, we cannot state this anywhere. But there
Speaker 6: were operating rules that were not stated around much of
Speaker 6: you know, much of those kinds of things. And I
Speaker 6: do think it's unfortunate, but I have to tell you,
Speaker 6: almost to a t, every one of those instances that
Speaker 6: she was suspicious about could have very easily become something else,
Speaker 6: because in the moment when she's not there is when
Speaker 6: the unterappropriate comment gets made to you or the overture.
Speaker 6: You know, you sense the overture being made and you
Speaker 6: have to have discipline around to avoid it or to
Speaker 6: walk through that door. So the truth is that even
Speaker 6: though it's probably not popular, and it certainly isn't anybody's
Speaker 6: hr book to do this. Most of those instincts around
Speaker 6: not doing that, it is probably the right instinct.
Speaker 2: That's not I agree.
Speaker 4: I think I agree it's very unfair. I don't think
Speaker 4: it's fair either, But I'm gonna tell y'all. Like one,
Speaker 4: there's like very traditional church stuff around this. So like
Speaker 4: growing up, like high school away I started going to
Speaker 4: coaching church. In high school, we were told like you
Speaker 4: date in groups, you know, you go in groups. And
Speaker 4: even after that, like you don't do if you like,
Speaker 4: if you meet with a.
Speaker 3: Pastor or an elder, a deacon, you meet with the
Speaker 3: door open.
Speaker 4: Like there are some things that people do not because
Speaker 4: it's biblical, but just because it's wisdom. And I think that,
Speaker 4: you know, there are a lot of especially young folks,
Speaker 4: are like all of that sounds crazy, but like even
Speaker 4: when I started my CBC job, the first CBC meeting
Speaker 4: I went to, I had on like it was my
Speaker 4: favorite DVF dress.
Speaker 3: It was black and.
Speaker 4: If it was form fitting, but it wasn't like yes,
Speaker 4: it was, well, it was right to the knee, like
Speaker 4: right at.
Speaker 5: The did you have to jump up and down?
Speaker 3: Shut up? No, just wait a minute, let me make
Speaker 3: my point.
Speaker 4: So the thing is it was form fitting, but it
Speaker 4: wasn't skin tight.
Speaker 3: The women members that left.
Speaker 4: That meeting and how they described what I had on,
Speaker 4: you would think that my ass was out at the club,
Speaker 4: boobs booted, ever at the sea through like it was
Speaker 4: so bad and you know what was behind that. I
Speaker 4: was so offended at first when it was reported back
Speaker 4: to me by Patrice Willoughby, who was the edy before me.
Speaker 4: But she was saying, you know, the members really want
Speaker 4: to make sure that you cover up. You know, the
Speaker 4: women are and they were trying to protect me from
Speaker 4: the men.
Speaker 3: So it's there is something about it that is.
Speaker 4: Frustrating, that is remarkably unfair, but also it comes from
Speaker 4: a place of protection.
Speaker 3: For the most part.
Speaker 4: I ain't going to speak for all of them, but
Speaker 4: I know in my experiences that absolutely came.
Speaker 5: From go ahead.
Speaker 1: I think that's so unfair, and if that were the case,
Speaker 1: that Angela wouldn't have been hired for any of the
Speaker 1: jobs that she had on Capitol Hill. I also don't
Speaker 1: think that those comments are always rooted in protection. Sometimes
Speaker 1: there is like an animus towards younger women who look
Speaker 1: a certain way, and you can feel you can feel that,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't come from a good place all the time. Furthermore,
Speaker 1: it's discrimination, like you're discriminating against some.
Speaker 2: And I think it says more about the higher than.
Speaker 1: It does the potential employee that you cannot handle a
Speaker 1: situation like attractive people can be attractive and smart and capable.
Speaker 1: So if whoever was doing, you know, mister Clever's hiring
Speaker 1: Congressman Emmanuel Cleaver from Missouri, who is the executive director
Speaker 1: or the CBC at the time, Andel chair or the
Speaker 1: chair forgive me the chair of the CBC when Angel
Speaker 1: was ed, imagine I'm saying like, no, no, no, mystically,
Speaker 1: but she can't work for you, but she's too attractive,
Speaker 1: Like that would not have been fair to.
Speaker 6: But the facts are is that attractive people are not losing.
Speaker 6: They're the ones who are large.
Speaker 2: But we don't know that.
Speaker 6: Studies, no, no, no, no, no. Studies studies attraction identify that
Speaker 6: the more attractive you are, the more likely you are
Speaker 6: to be hired, the higher paid you are, so on
Speaker 6: and so on and so on. So in truth, even
Speaker 6: though we may have some of these layers on our associations,
Speaker 6: the truth is is that people who are attractive who
Speaker 6: are largely you know, thinner who I mean, they're winning by.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you yes, Andrew every point, there was
Speaker 4: some women who were like, how did you get your job?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 5: I was about to say, I mean the perception, the perception,
Speaker 5: but you must have been doing something.
Speaker 3: So then let me tell you what my answer was.
Speaker 4: Back, and young people, I encourage you to try this
Speaker 4: at home, I said, back, not the same way you
Speaker 4: got yours?
Speaker 1: Young fun that way, like that is the surest fastest
Speaker 1: way to alienate yourself. Like watch your mouth when you're
Speaker 1: talking to people asking you. You are a young person
Speaker 1: trying to find your question. I agree that question is well,
Speaker 1: the implication of the question is in appropriate.
Speaker 4: It was the way they even said it. I know
Speaker 4: it was like, oh, how did you get your job?
Speaker 3: Not the same way?
Speaker 1: You disrespectful to you and they yeah, But I hope
Speaker 1: that younger people can navigate that space a little better.
Speaker 1: Here's the advice I would offer young women, and something
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. I wouldn't I would
Speaker 1: not encourage that kind of tone from younger people trying
Speaker 1: to navigate their way. This is the advice I would
Speaker 1: offer that I had to learn myself because a lot
Speaker 1: of people, sometimes older men come to in quotations help
Speaker 1: younger women, younger attractive women, and they come under the
Speaker 1: guise of mentorship or under the GUIDs that I'm trying
Speaker 1: to help you, and they have bad intentions. And then
Speaker 1: you're met with this group of more established older women
Speaker 1: who are looking at you saying things like, well, how
Speaker 1: did you get your job? You know, and you can
Speaker 1: feel lonely as this young person trying to find your way.
Speaker 1: You know, both both sides are trying to attack you
Speaker 1: from a very negative way. Here's what I had to learn.
Speaker 1: So a guy told me this. He's like, look, you're
Speaker 1: a young attractive woman in DC. People are going to
Speaker 1: try to you know, if your go if your intention
Speaker 1: is I'm never going to talk to you because you're
Speaker 1: trying to sleep with me. Like you, it would be
Speaker 1: hard for you to navigate. You have to learn how
Speaker 1: to navigate those situations. So things I did, and I
Speaker 1: offer this to young women. One, there's no reason for
Speaker 1: us to meet for drinks or dinner. If somebody wants
Speaker 1: to help you have breakfast, let's meet for breakfast. See
Speaker 1: if the chief of staff or somebody or coffee, even
Speaker 1: see if somebody can join you, you know, say I
Speaker 1: really you know, your chief of staff or your home ever,
Speaker 1: if it's not a member on Capitol Hill, but somebody else,
Speaker 1: like I would love to learn from them as well,
Speaker 1: you know, Or is it possible if I bring a
Speaker 1: friend of law because she could really benefit from your
Speaker 1: tutelage anything like that. I think for women who Angela
Speaker 1: says it comes from protection, I didn't always experience it
Speaker 1: as protection. I think for women who respond that way, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: like you're not in a place to battle with them
Speaker 1: on equal footing. So I think a better or one
Speaker 1: way I would suggest responding is to show your talent,
Speaker 1: you know, like actually answer the question, say, oh I
Speaker 1: graduated top of my class. I'm from Spellman. I you know,
Speaker 1: intern for this person. That person. I'd really love to
Speaker 1: pursue law. I hope to be an executive director one day.
Speaker 1: Would love to bend your ear if you have time
Speaker 1: to hear from me to me and let me do
Speaker 1: agree to me. That is a little more belittling, but
Speaker 1: also because me as an older person, if I talk
Speaker 1: to a younger person that way and they responded, now
Speaker 1: I feel embarrassed. Now, I feel embarrassed that I was
Speaker 1: trying to be a vits to this young girl and
Speaker 1: she responded with an appropriate answer that gave me her
Speaker 1: resume that showed that she more than earned the job,
Speaker 1: and she just happened to be attractive.
Speaker 5: She's still at gonna like this, she.
Speaker 2: Does your one. That's not true, Beakari.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that about It pitched women against women,
Speaker 1: and I just hate that attitude. But they would give
Speaker 1: practice to these young people to carry yourself with a
Speaker 1: certain demeanor.
Speaker 6: You knowsition in the conversation. Y'all are people who actually
Speaker 6: genuinely mean to help you along the way, which I
Speaker 6: have to say are they're plentiful in the process. And
Speaker 6: sometimes the experiences you might get from some of those
Speaker 6: people is that because they're they're either they're set up
Speaker 6: to to to being where they are has already been
Speaker 6: tainted by someone, or their experiences so far have have
Speaker 6: caused them to have doubt around your intentions so much
Speaker 6: that there becomes this rejection of decent people who are
Speaker 6: really just trying to help you navigate the situation, not
Speaker 6: trying to get in your bands are offended by the
Speaker 6: very suggestion that that's their intent, and you find yourself
Speaker 6: up the creek without a pedal because you decided to
Speaker 6: put everybody in the same box. That wasn't the but
Speaker 6: was it the intent?
Speaker 3: So I guess that's men and women.
Speaker 5: I can only imagine the opportunities I missed just from
Speaker 5: being handsome. I mean, it's.
Speaker 6: But this show was not one of them, and that's good.
Speaker 5: Uh uh.
Speaker 1: I mean you've you've had Angela is intentional about mentoring
Speaker 1: young people in a way that will make all of
Speaker 1: us feel guilty because I don't have the capacity that
Speaker 1: she does. But she devotes so much time to these
Speaker 1: young people. You guys have all talked to PDP, but
Speaker 1: you run the program like you. It's it's a difference
Speaker 1: between me popping in to talk to them.
Speaker 3: Versus I just appreciate it. They do too.
Speaker 1: But you have had young people and that say, I
Speaker 1: bore witness once. But you had young people come out
Speaker 1: their mouth the wrong way to you. Not it's like subtle,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like you just won one little inch
Speaker 1: too far, and it does not endear them to you.
Speaker 3: You know, it actually does.
Speaker 4: There's one in particular she's gonna be mad at me
Speaker 4: for saying it. Not the one, but this one that
Speaker 4: comes to mind. I actually appreciate the combative ones the
Speaker 4: most in the program because it gives me an opportunity.
Speaker 3: It does.
Speaker 4: It gives me an opportunity to guide a little more.
Speaker 4: I know what it feels like to be froggy and leap.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. There's one in particular right now, Morgan.
Speaker 3: I love you. But Morgan is in the program right now,
Speaker 3: and Morgan is always she's she's she's feisty and passionate,
Speaker 3: and I know it's not directed at me.
Speaker 2: Yes, you do what you did? I don't remember.
Speaker 1: It was some girl and she was It was one
Speaker 1: of the sessions and she says something out of pocket.
Speaker 5: We need to revisit this topic. This is a good one.
Speaker 1: I don't memory. We can table a baby my memory
Speaker 1: and Jack Candela like the girl left the group. The
Speaker 1: girl ended up leaving, but the girl, so we can.
Speaker 4: Do we can add to the Christmas thing, the Grinch
Speaker 4: who stole the Grinch who stole?
Speaker 3: Uh your PDP opportunity. But yeah, we just we go.
Speaker 4: We're gonna focus on opportunity, I guess. But yes, speaking
Speaker 4: of young people, we of course know on a Saturday
Speaker 4: note that, Uh, there was a really tragic shooting this
Speaker 4: past week at Brown University and it hit really close
Speaker 4: to home. I know Tiff has someone who's like a
Speaker 4: nephew to her. This at the school and my god son,
Speaker 4: I call him godson nephew.
Speaker 5: F A.
Speaker 4: Alijo attends Brown University and was right near where all
Speaker 4: the activity was taking place, heard the gunshots.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 3: He joins us today to talk about his.
Speaker 4: Experience at Brown before and after the shooting, which I
Speaker 4: think is important. As joins us and Nick brings him
Speaker 4: in the studio, I will just say one of my
Speaker 4: favorite things to say about Fa is he is a
Speaker 4: computer science with an engineering student, but he plays. He walks,
Speaker 4: walked onto the football team at Brown. He is not
Speaker 4: on football scholarship, he's on academic scholarship. But I love
Speaker 4: that he is multi talented and multifaceted.
Speaker 5: And just just a note for the viewing audience, I'm
Speaker 5: going to bow out of this conversation because we have
Speaker 5: some it's an ongoing investigation into this matter, and we
Speaker 5: don't have a lot of answers, and there are a
Speaker 5: lot of victims that will be represented in this matter
Speaker 5: in my firm may be involved. So I'm going to
Speaker 5: bow out just to keep the integrity of the investigation
Speaker 5: where it should be. But shout out to this young man.
Speaker 4: Nobody knows, so Fa, thank you so much much for
Speaker 4: joining us today. I know that Saturday was a crazy experience.
Speaker 3: I was very worried. Your mom was very worried.
Speaker 4: Can you talk a little bit about what you saw,
Speaker 4: what you heard in your experience?
Speaker 9: For sure, it was crazy. It's hard to put it
Speaker 9: in the words, the totality of the experience. But I
Speaker 9: was studying in the library. We call it the sidelines,
Speaker 9: the sciences library. I was studying up all the way
Speaker 9: on the thirteenth floor and this and the first thing
Speaker 9: that happened was a girl came up to the window
Speaker 9: right next to me. She peered out the window and
Speaker 9: she gasped, and then she walked away. And I didn't
Speaker 9: know what was going on because I was studying.
Speaker 11: I hadn't been on my phone or anything, so I
Speaker 11: just went back to my work. I was wondering, why
Speaker 11: did she gas? And then some more people came up
Speaker 11: and they taught me, and they were like when it
Speaker 11: was one of my friends, and she taught me and
Speaker 11: she was like, somebody, somebody got shot and I and
Speaker 11: I stood up, and at first it didn't really process it,
Speaker 11: almost like didn't sigger that much of a reaction for me,
Speaker 11: just because that's something, unfortunately that I've heard more than
Speaker 11: once before. But when I got up and I looked
Speaker 11: out the window, I saw not only I saw somebody
Speaker 11: on the ground and medical responses caring for them, but
Speaker 11: I also saw probably seven or eight police cars on
Speaker 11: the on the side of the street, so I knew
Speaker 11: it was something a little bit more serious. I texted,
Speaker 11: started texting, I texted my mom, I texted some of
Speaker 11: my closest friends, my teammates, my roommates, just to make
Speaker 11: sure they were okay. And then as I kept looking
Speaker 11: out the window, I saw I started to see people
Speaker 11: kind of running around, like police officers running around in
Speaker 11: the perimeter of the library and this area where this
Speaker 11: person was on the ground, and I and people everybody
Speaker 11: started talking about it and what we came to realize
Speaker 11: that it was an active shooter, and it was somebody
Speaker 11: who was trying to keep shooting and keep hurting more people,
Speaker 11: not just a one time incident.
Speaker 9: So as the time went on, we I saw people
Speaker 9: still running around. I didn't see anything else out the window,
Speaker 9: but as you could go around the library, I saw
Speaker 9: a Bayer Street, which is like the biggest busiest street
Speaker 9: on our campus. It was cop cars all the way
Speaker 9: up the street, literally as far as I could see.
Speaker 9: And then even that's a north south street, even on
Speaker 9: the east and west besides there was cop cars. I
Speaker 9: heard a report that they pulled in all the cop
Speaker 9: cars and Providence and then started even pulling in some
Speaker 9: from around the city just because of the searts that
Speaker 9: was going on, and they were trying to find the person.
Speaker 9: So after that, the students on the floor hour was
Speaker 9: with It was maybe twenty or twenty five of us
Speaker 9: decided to barricade the doors. We heard a report that
Speaker 9: maybe the shooter was because they were running it was
Speaker 9: running around. We heard a report that maybe they came
Speaker 9: in the bottom floor of the library. So we were
Speaker 9: still on the thirteenth floor. I didn't feel super personally
Speaker 9: threatened in that moment, but it was still good. We
Speaker 9: barricaded the doors and took our own safety precautions. After
Speaker 9: maybe an hour or an hour and a half, excuse me,
Speaker 9: we heard that the police were coming in to evacuate
Speaker 9: and search the building, the sciences library that I was in,
Speaker 9: and they were going up four by four, so I
Speaker 9: we heard that they were going up four by four,
Speaker 9: and maybe a few floors down we heard at least
Speaker 9: I heard the police yell knock on the door door,
Speaker 9: but a.
Speaker 7: Few fours down or Providence police were coming in.
Speaker 9: And so I kind of knew that, okay, they're coming
Speaker 9: up to our floor. And then maybe a few minutes later,
Speaker 9: we heard somebody excuse me. We heard somebody knock on
Speaker 9: the door, but they didn't say anything. So that caused
Speaker 9: a lot of panic in the in the room. Everyone
Speaker 9: went to the other side of the room because some
Speaker 9: people thought, okay, maybe it was they shoot it.
Speaker 7: It was coming in and trying to come up to
Speaker 7: our floor.
Speaker 9: That caused a lot of panic in the room, and
Speaker 9: that was a lot of heightened emotions in that moment.
Speaker 9: But a few maybe admitute or two later, through a
Speaker 9: different door, the police came in announced themselves Providence police,
Speaker 9: and they got us all the one side of the room,
Speaker 9: made us count off to get a head count. That
Speaker 9: thankfully let us grab our stuff for short period of
Speaker 9: time our belongings and our computer and stuff like that,
Speaker 9: and then they escorted us all the way down to
Speaker 9: the basement.
Speaker 4: EF I want to ask you really quick on just
Speaker 4: on this point, on how you all responded to this
Speaker 4: with One of the things you and I talked about
Speaker 4: before is when I was growing up, we did drills
Speaker 4: for fire and earthquake.
Speaker 3: But when even when you were in high school, you
Speaker 3: did a drill for shooting.
Speaker 4: If a shooting happens at school, was it was it
Speaker 4: remarkably different from what you learned at school. The response,
Speaker 4: the way that you responded, the way you felt in
Speaker 4: the moment, for sure it was.
Speaker 7: It was a little bit different. I think.
Speaker 9: One of the main differences that presented us, that presented
Speaker 9: itself was the location of where I was in response
Speaker 9: to the shooter. I think it would have been different
Speaker 9: if I was on the if I was on the
Speaker 9: bottom floor on the basement. Because we were on the
Speaker 9: thirteenth floor, I think it didn't feel as dangerous, I
Speaker 9: guess I could say, but I think a lot of
Speaker 9: the same things came into play, like barricading the doors.
Speaker 9: I think one thing that was different is none of
Speaker 9: us were hiding necessarily, but I had. My roommate was
Speaker 9: on the in the basement, so you walk in the library,
Speaker 9: there's no door, and just walked down some steps into
Speaker 9: the basement, and he described everybody was hiding in the basement.
Speaker 9: So I think that was one of the main differences
Speaker 9: that presented itself. But in terms of barricading the doors,
Speaker 9: and then obviously when we heard noise is coming up,
Speaker 9: those a lot of those other things came into play, and.
Speaker 6: I'm curious to know one. Thank you for sharing your experience.
Speaker 6: I remember how emotional my wife and I were when
Speaker 6: we got the notice about our kids having to first
Speaker 6: do active shooter drills. And I think the way in
Speaker 6: which Angel and I grew up at that time and
Speaker 6: at that period, because we weren't so exposed to active
Speaker 6: shooter drills being a regular part of training. It really
Speaker 6: messes with your mind when you hear about your kids
Speaker 6: or people who you're very close to having to go
Speaker 6: through that experience. One that I think you know, in
Speaker 6: an ideal scenario, you would want to protect kids from.
Speaker 6: You don't want my kids thinking about somebody coming into
Speaker 6: a classroom with a gun to you know, to take
Speaker 6: them out. But your you know, your lived experience is
Speaker 6: a little bit different than what ours was in the
Speaker 6: sense that I think you probably have, at least as
Speaker 6: far as I've been able to read, maybe two classmates
Speaker 6: who this was the second active shooter event that they
Speaker 6: had been in in their lifetimes, which means twice before
Speaker 6: they have been in this this kind of condition and scenario.
Speaker 6: And I just under psychologically for you and your peers
Speaker 6: whether or not is there a shock toa moments like this,
Speaker 6: or does it do you fully anticipate that over the
Speaker 6: course of your life and your educational experience, that this
Speaker 6: is something that you and your peers are going to
Speaker 6: have to deal with and that older folks probably like us,
Speaker 6: ought to just get over, you know, the shock and
Speaker 6: awe around active shooter drills having to be taught to
Speaker 6: our children and embrace the fact that this is kind
Speaker 6: of part of your lived experience now for your generation
Speaker 6: and maybe those coming after you. Or is there still
Speaker 6: a healthy rejection of this as an experience that you
Speaker 6: have to go through.
Speaker 7: I'm curious, for sure. I am.
Speaker 9: There's a lot of merit to that. I think that
Speaker 9: in the moment it was a shock, of course, However,
Speaker 9: it really wasn't I don't think the shock that I
Speaker 9: had was near the levels of the shot that.
Speaker 7: Maybe my parents or you all met it might have had.
Speaker 9: I think in high school we had one active shooter situation,
Speaker 9: not directly on our campus but a few blocks away.
Speaker 9: So even just that being in my lived experience before,
Speaker 9: I think I heard that it was a shooter.
Speaker 7: And I was like, wow, this is this is real.
Speaker 9: Of course, you never expected to be your school, especially
Speaker 9: a mass shooting and things. I don't want to describe
Speaker 9: the numbers, but in the moment on Saturday, we numbers
Speaker 9: were going around of casualties that were higher than what
Speaker 9: the actual number ended up being. So that was that
Speaker 9: part had a lot of shock because that's something that
Speaker 9: you never experienced, you never expect to be you even
Speaker 9: if you have heard it before. But I think the
Speaker 9: totality of the experience it was shocking, and I didn't
Speaker 9: expect it to happen for sure, but I think in
Speaker 9: my head it was just it was kind of like, oh,
Speaker 9: this is this is happening. It this is the next
Speaker 9: one that happened. It was like it's it's like it
Speaker 9: was almost like it had been enough time, it's pasted,
Speaker 9: Like where this is the next one that's going on.
Speaker 6: If that makes sense, Yeah, heartbreaking, but yes, it just
Speaker 6: makes sense.
Speaker 3: If do you feel safe for turning to school.
Speaker 7: I think that.
Speaker 9: In a month, a little over a month, I think
Speaker 9: I would feel safe returning to school.
Speaker 7: I think it's always going to be in the back
Speaker 7: of your mind.
Speaker 9: I hope that there'll be at least a little bit
Speaker 9: of added security and things like that that go on
Speaker 9: on campus. And I know that they're definitely going to
Speaker 9: be changing things that changing things past this next winter break,
Speaker 9: but I think I would feel safe. I think the
Speaker 9: safety that I felt before this incident as a big
Speaker 9: was was great. It was really strong, and I feel
Speaker 9: like I felt safe walking around campus all hours of
Speaker 9: the day, interacting with people, not not even just ground
Speaker 9: students and faculty, but interacting with people in the Providence community.
Speaker 9: I feel really safe to have not even walking around
Speaker 9: downtown and going off campus, and I feel like that
Speaker 9: isn't going to completely go away, but it will always
Speaker 9: be in the back of your mind for sure. I
Speaker 9: think I probably won't go out for as many walks
Speaker 9: and stuff like that on my own, but I think
Speaker 9: in the in the in the big picture, I'll feel safe,
Speaker 9: especially because I feel like our community there's so much
Speaker 9: you can do against somebody with a gun, but I
Speaker 9: think our community is also going to be a lot
Speaker 9: tighter and a lot stronger and willing to support each other.
Speaker 7: So I feel like that also adds to that.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm so grateful that you could join us today.
Speaker 4: Means the world to me and definitely want you to
Speaker 4: feel safe. So love you, god Son, Thank you, good.
Speaker 5: Love, good luck, good luck.
Speaker 7: We're proud of you too, Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 6: Okay, Wow, I just appreciate, appreciate you tapping into your
Speaker 6: personal network and for FA being so willing to come
Speaker 6: on and share that experience. It is I you know,
Speaker 6: there's this there's a difference in generations, right because these
Speaker 6: guys have to be built to really tolerate experiences that
Speaker 6: are just you know, really beyond what I think I felt,
Speaker 6: what I know I felt, you know, elementary middle high school.
Speaker 6: That wasn't active shooter, wasn't my fear, you know, buying
Speaker 6: large hurricanes and tornado. Who were our drills? You talked
Speaker 6: about earthquakes, Angela and your experience and Florida. You know,
Speaker 6: for a lot of us, it was getting the corner,
Speaker 6: cover your head, get under your desk, you know, those
Speaker 6: sorts of things in fear of tornadoes breaking out or
Speaker 6: or or god forbid you being in a situation where
Speaker 6: hurricane conditions started to whip up. But it wasn't this
Speaker 6: kind of a situation. But each I guess, each generation
Speaker 6: has to confront these things differently, and it's gonna take
Speaker 6: me a long time before I think I accept you know,
Speaker 6: active shooter drills and that kind of thing is being
Speaker 6: regular and normal.
Speaker 4: We had like gun violence that we were worried about,
Speaker 4: but it was like drive by shootings and gang violence,
Speaker 4: but for the most part it was targeted. We lost
Speaker 4: somebody who was two years ahead of me in middle school.
Speaker 4: I think it was her freshman year in high school,
Speaker 4: but it was it was still rare, and I'm not
Speaker 4: justifying it, but it's just like we did not prepare for,
Speaker 4: Like how do you respond to a drive by or gunshots?
Speaker 3: Like we just ran.
Speaker 4: That's what we learned to run. But yeah, I just
Speaker 4: I wish that this did not happen to fa I
Speaker 4: was telling I camera, if I was telling y'all, I
Speaker 4: don't think I told y'all this, But I was saying
Speaker 4: to my mom the other day that earlier this year,
Speaker 4: when he was starting at Brown, I was like, man,
Speaker 4: I really wanted you to go to Howard. I hate
Speaker 4: like't he didn't get enough scholarship money basically at Howard,
Speaker 4: and Brown covered his tuition for the most part. And
Speaker 4: I was like, well, it must have been God because
Speaker 4: now they got to National Guard and Ice outside of Howard.
Speaker 3: So we would have been so panicked. We would have
Speaker 3: been so worried.
Speaker 4: You know, like I would have had tip combined to
Speaker 4: swoop you up right, like we would have been trying
Speaker 4: to move completely different. And then when this happened, I
Speaker 4: was like, what am Where is he safe?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 4: And I can't imagine the number of parents and aunties
Speaker 4: and godparents and grandparents who were asking this question all
Speaker 4: the time about their elementary school students, their middle school students,
Speaker 4: their high school students and now college too, and it's
Speaker 4: just it's just it's remarkable. I cannot imagine, like the
Speaker 4: young man who wanted to become a brain surgeon because
Speaker 4: he had brain surgery, losing his life on this campus
Speaker 4: his freshman year.
Speaker 3: It's just it's unbelievable.
Speaker 4: So thank you all for carving out the time for
Speaker 4: that and hopefully we can figure out what gun safety
Speaker 4: really looks like in this country.
Speaker 1: All right, every week we ask you guys to submit
Speaker 1: your viewer questions comments. We love to hear from you,
Speaker 1: and we say welcome home. It's with intention. So before
Speaker 1: we get out of the show this week, we want
Speaker 1: to hear from you what's on your mind. Let's hear
Speaker 1: from a viewer.
Speaker 10: My name is a Ken and I'm from Atlanta. The
Speaker 10: term patriotism is a scam. Every time the government labels
Speaker 10: people as unpatriotic, it's because critical thinking has prevented those
Speaker 10: people from accepting a lie. The people against the wars
Speaker 10: in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan and were labeled unpatriotic. All
Speaker 10: those wars were based on lies. Let's be real. The
Speaker 10: American government has been aligned to the American people since
Speaker 10: July fourth, seventeen seventy six. In seventeen seventy six, the
Speaker 10: American people were told to go west for free land.
Speaker 10: But that land wasn't free. It came at the cost
Speaker 10: of the genocide of the natives living on that land.
Speaker 10: I would like to hear more troops like this from
Speaker 10: the tunnel.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 4: He sounds like you ready to join the panel. I
Speaker 4: don't have anything that had no. No, great, no, no,
Speaker 4: you got to roll another one.
Speaker 1: Thank yeah, Thank you, Ken, And I echo everything he said.
Speaker 1: In terms of patriotism, I kind of feel like we
Speaker 1: talked about this a bit earlier and we were talking
Speaker 1: about evangelicals. A lot of these terms are rooted in
Speaker 1: what white conservatives think, how they define patriotism. They would
Speaker 1: rather have somebody who's an accused trader, somebody who had.
Speaker 2: Hostile leaders of a hostile.
Speaker 1: Nation in the Oval Office leaking American intelligence to Kisleyak
Speaker 1: from Russia in the Oval Office, and this is the
Speaker 1: person who they call their patriots. So, Kim, we couldn't
Speaker 1: agree with you more. Thank you for taking the time
Speaker 1: to send us a video.
Speaker 6: I do accept the challenge that I think he threw down,
Speaker 6: which is to interrogate intensely everything that we hear from
Speaker 6: our government and frankly that we hear in society. I
Speaker 6: think said, I think that's a fair challenge, not to
Speaker 6: take things that sort of window window dressing and face
Speaker 6: value that we interrogated.
Speaker 3: I agree Lolo said this was our mini PI.
Speaker 1: Basically, but We do have a mini pot coming out
Speaker 1: this week, so be sure you check that out on Friday.
Speaker 2: But let's get the call to action. Who's kicking us off?
Speaker 12: Who cares about truth when the laws more than say it.
Speaker 5: I got a call called at I think I'm stealing
Speaker 5: what Angela said. Spend some time, and I talked to
Speaker 5: a guy in the in the airport. He ran me
Speaker 5: down in the airport. No, he didn't think I was
Speaker 5: Andrew Gillen, but he actually ran me down in the
Speaker 5: airport and he said he was talking to me about
Speaker 5: how he's encouraging his family to teach about civil rights.
Speaker 5: And I think that we need to spend some time
Speaker 5: celebrating Kwanza. And the reason we need to celebrate Kwansa
Speaker 5: is not to be militant, not to go through this
Speaker 5: exercise of necessarily just trying to be different for the
Speaker 5: sake of being different. And please God, don't do it
Speaker 5: just to post on Instagram. But the just the the
Speaker 5: the very fundamental tenets of Kwansa teach us what Angela
Speaker 5: was talking about, which is to love yourself. And I
Speaker 5: think that the com except of community, the concept of
Speaker 5: loving yourself are all encapsulated in quansa. And so while
Speaker 5: we're saying Happy Hanukkah, and while we're saying Merry Christmas,
Speaker 5: I also want to say Happy Kwanza to those who celebrate.
Speaker 5: And if you don't, it's worth just picking up a
Speaker 5: book and reading about it a little bit.
Speaker 3: Ay, I like it. I'll go next.
Speaker 4: Since I got tag teamed in here, I found out
Speaker 4: about this site. It's not updated for this year.
Speaker 5: No, you should look at it on your private browser though,
Speaker 5: because you don't want people to.
Speaker 6: Speak whatsite to tell you.
Speaker 3: Renee blew it renee blew It.
Speaker 4: Started this concept called she Did That, and the tagline says,
Speaker 4: when black women own businesses, when we all win. So
Speaker 4: I started going, like looking through this site, and she
Speaker 4: has this whole gift guide that she created for the
Speaker 4: holidays last year, and it's it was a twenty twenty
Speaker 4: four guide, but tif when I tell you, there are
Speaker 4: some incredible hats and ear rings and head reps and
Speaker 4: games and shoes and food and art, like I mean,
Speaker 4: she has all of the things. That's seventy five black
Speaker 4: women owned businesses and she did it also in twenty
Speaker 4: twenty one, but twenty twenty four as the latest I
Speaker 4: did click on a number of the sites to see
Speaker 4: if they're still active. When I tell you I'm about
Speaker 4: to burn a hole in my pocket, I don't need
Speaker 4: but I want you all to please consider it's called
Speaker 4: she did that dot co, not dot com.
Speaker 3: She did that dot co.
Speaker 4: But shout out to the sister for taking the time
Speaker 4: to hand pick and curate these incredible businesses.
Speaker 3: Paper goods. Wellness. You know, I can't wait to get.
Speaker 6: To the bun bag.
Speaker 5: Yes, that's good, that's stuff.
Speaker 2: We should get some stuff to wear, like when we
Speaker 2: go to Detroit.
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, that's true.
Speaker 5: You know what you know we need to do? Get
Speaker 5: back to This is random but nothing, but we need
Speaker 5: to get back to. Uh remember when Ebany used to
Speaker 5: have all of the scholarships in the Is it anywhere?
Speaker 3: Did you freeze or.
Speaker 2: FROs Jesus Lord, help help for Macary?
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, yep, yip yip gip just hushed.
Speaker 1: Okay, Andrew, give to you hopefully McCary Andrew call to action.
Speaker 6: I just the holidays is coming up. Everybody get out
Speaker 6: a little bit more time on their hands. I just
Speaker 6: encourage folks to spend time as best you can with family.
Speaker 6: The ones you're born into, but also the ones that
Speaker 6: you select. It doesn't it doesn't require a whole bunch
Speaker 6: You don't need a whole bunch of money, a whole
Speaker 6: bunch of much of anything to carve out that time
Speaker 6: to spend with those folks. Because when the cars come
Speaker 6: crashing in or you're at your moment of desperation or uh,
Speaker 6: you just want to be with the people who love
Speaker 6: you or or or or ride with you just because
Speaker 6: you're you just the time to pay it forward into
Speaker 6: those relationships so that your time of crisis isn't the
Speaker 6: first time that they didn't heard from you in a
Speaker 6: minute that you've paid some of that forward in don't
Speaker 6: do it for that intention. I'm just simply saying, think
Speaker 6: about the people who are your roight or dies and
Speaker 6: pouring some time into that relationship while we can this
Speaker 6: holiday season.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: I'll go last, and I'm being disobedient as you guys
Speaker 1: are going through your ccas, I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I to do this or not, but I'm
Speaker 1: going to My publisher will probably kill me. But because
Speaker 1: we were talking about loving ourselves, I want to tell
Speaker 1: everyone that for the past I think year and a half,
Speaker 1: maybe two years. I have been consumed with writing from
Speaker 1: sun up to sundown. That's all I've been doing is writing.
Speaker 1: And so I want to tell everybody my book will
Speaker 1: be available for sale on January first, and it is
Speaker 1: rooted yes, loving yourself. They told me not to say anything.
Speaker 1: They're like, we'll make me an thouncen in January. But
Speaker 1: I love that we were talking about this. It seems
Speaker 1: right on time. It is rooted in loving ourselves. It
Speaker 1: is a snapshot of everything black women are seeing, experiencing,
Speaker 1: and feeling right now in this era of American rock.
Speaker 1: It is not just about politics, although I include politics.
Speaker 1: It's not just about policy, although I talk about that,
Speaker 1: but it is about our personhood, our humanity, our love,
Speaker 1: our sisterhood. Angela's in the book, but Car is in
Speaker 1: the book, Andrew's in the book. But it really is
Speaker 1: a comprehensive, holistic look. And so I hope on January
Speaker 1: first that people will find it. Well, that's when you'll
Speaker 1: hear the title and see the book cover. So my
Speaker 1: publishers won't be too upset that I said this today. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm very very excited. Angela does not know, but she's
Speaker 1: gonna be on my book tour with me somewhere I'm pulling. Yes,
Speaker 1: we'll be in conversation somewhere. I have an idea where
Speaker 1: I want us to be, but we'll talk about it
Speaker 1: next year. So anyway, I beg you all on January first.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you how you can find the book and
Speaker 1: all that, but it is support our She been working hard, yes,
Speaker 1: bleeding on the pages.
Speaker 6: So I give order you let me know.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if RJ told you, but I
Speaker 2: was texting her yesterday because.
Speaker 6: I want so exciting.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, good, I want us to do something.
Speaker 6: When we were discussing the cities.
Speaker 2: Oh good, okay, good, you're good.
Speaker 6: You're discussed trying to.
Speaker 2: God our other call action.
Speaker 1: I would just say, we would ask our brethren out
Speaker 1: there to please pray for Bacari and his WiFi situation.
Speaker 3: Please, in the name of Jesus, the work, the Blood,
Speaker 3: the blood.
Speaker 1: Every week, my mama, we ask you the name of Jesus,
Speaker 1: please get this man.
Speaker 4: He blew off a dial up in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4: Oh God, let him stop freezing. Oh God, let him
Speaker 4: stop cutting on our comments and just being doing the
Speaker 4: robottle gods the devil.
Speaker 3: In the name of Jesus.
Speaker 6: Hiyy oh Jesus. All right about, you're playing with God
Speaker 6: and I got we're not.
Speaker 4: Playing with Bacari because he's playing with us in Jesus
Speaker 4: Mighty names.
Speaker 2: Amen.
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