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Speaker 1: Native Lampod is the production of iHeartRadio in partnership with

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Speaker 2: Welcome home, y'all.

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Speaker 1: This is episode of Native Lampid where we gave it

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Speaker 1: to you straight no chaser this holiday season. I am

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Speaker 1: your co host Tiffany Cross here with Angela Rye, but

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Speaker 1: Kari Sellers and Andrew Gillum. That's right, ladies, first back

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Speaker 1: in the lead, chare and we got a busy show

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Speaker 1: for y'allday, what are we talking about, guys.

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Speaker 3: So much?

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Speaker 4: We have some tragedy that of course struck Brown University's

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Speaker 4: campus with two students dying summing critical condition. And my godsend,

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Speaker 4: happens to be a student there at Brown University, plays

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Speaker 4: on the football team, but is an academic on academic scholarship.

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Speaker 4: And he will join us today. His name is f

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Speaker 4: Ali Ho.

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Speaker 3: He'll join us to talk about that shooting that is devastating.

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Speaker 5: We're going to definitely keep them in our prayers. I

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Speaker 5: just want to take a point of personal privilege here

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Speaker 5: before we get too far down in this and give

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Speaker 5: a shout out to the South Carolina State Bulldog Bos

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Speaker 5: who are there HBCU national champions. I think it's necessary

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Speaker 5: for me to say that with UH. With Andrew Gillham

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Speaker 5: on this podcast as well, I think we all need

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Speaker 5: to give credence to Chenness Burry and the Sacon State Bulldogs.

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Speaker 5: I was in Atlanta this past weekend beat preview A

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Speaker 5: and M along those same lines. We're going to keep

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Speaker 5: it in the football family and talk about something that

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Speaker 5: has kind of shocked the cultural world. Coach Sharone Moore, UH,

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Speaker 5: coach at University of Michigan. He crashed out a little

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Speaker 5: bit and UH we'll talk about all the dynamics around

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Speaker 5: his what is now infamous cash crash out as the

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Speaker 5: first African American head coach in the history of University

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Speaker 5: of Michigan football.

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Speaker 3: You can also say cash out, he's cashed out as

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Speaker 3: well as.

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Speaker 5: Get say that he out of cash.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's too Andrew.

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Speaker 2: What you got?

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Speaker 6: That's true?

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 6: The tragedy's unfortunately continued this week, and I wanted to

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Speaker 6: reflect just for a moment on I think someone who

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Speaker 6: was mutually known to a number of us, Rob Reiner,

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Speaker 6: his wife Michelle, and they're untimely and very tragic passing.

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Speaker 6: Just to reflect a little bit on some I think

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Speaker 6: interesting interconnections that different ones of us may have.

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Speaker 1: We do want to kick off the show with Rob Reiner. Andrew,

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Speaker 1: you and I both had a personal relationship with I

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Speaker 1: and Michelle, and on our production call when we were

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Speaker 1: talking about the show, you shared that you guys had lunch,

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Speaker 1: I believe breakfast when you were on the campaign trail,

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Speaker 1: and I've certainly broken bread with them. But want to

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Speaker 1: hear your story about your time and just really quickly

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Speaker 1: before so our viewers know. This week, Rob Reiner and

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Speaker 1: his wife Michelle were found deceased in their home in

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Speaker 1: their Los Angeles home, and what came out later this

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Speaker 1: week is that their son Nick is being charged with

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Speaker 1: those murders. So very tragic story all around, and even

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Speaker 1: our ignorant ass, remorseless ass president weighed in on it.

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Speaker 1: But I would love for us to just first focus

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Speaker 1: on the beautiful life and the beautiful person that Rob

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Speaker 1: Reiner was, he and his lovely wife Michelle. So, Andrew,

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Speaker 1: what was your experience with.

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Speaker 6: Yes, me had actually for those who who know me

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Speaker 6: maybe followed the campaign a little bit, you know that

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Speaker 6: Norman Lear and I were very close. I worked for

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Speaker 6: the organization he founded, People for the American Way and

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Speaker 6: people for the American Way Foundation for all the years

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Speaker 6: of my early career working and movement work, and got

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Speaker 6: very close to Norman and his wife Lynn. And as

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Speaker 6: a result of that, if you knew Norman, then you

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Speaker 6: him even though Carl rein Or his father, was already

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Speaker 6: Carl didn't really observe him as being someone who could

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Speaker 6: It just held such a vivid mirror up to the

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Speaker 6: We got Rob was a mainstay around people for the

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Speaker 6: American Waves events that we would all hold each year

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Speaker 6: you know, frankly, it was a very welcome actually after

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Speaker 6: very welcome distraction from the race for governor, just watching

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Speaker 6: that's just so big, a heart that's so big, a

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Speaker 6: man who cared so big. I didn't know Michelle, as

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Speaker 6: you know as well, but could only imagine that a

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Speaker 5: And so.

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Speaker 6: You know, prayers up for him in his family and

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Speaker 6: the very tragic circumstances surrounding his passing in Tiffany, I

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Speaker 6: know you also had your experiences with them, and I

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Speaker 1: Well, I want to be celebratory of his life because

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Speaker 1: he was such a staple in my life before we

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Speaker 1: you said, the iconic character meathead on all in the family,

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Speaker 1: stand by me, that was one of my favorite movies,

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Speaker 1: The Princess Bride. I still know every line from that movie.

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Speaker 2: But the sad part of this is so.

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Speaker 1: When I this is probably twenty eighteen, I was in

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Speaker 1: I will honor their privacy about some of the teams

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Speaker 1: they shared, but the crazy parties. They were talking to

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Speaker 1: how many challenges they were having and who knew you

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Speaker 1: know that years later that you know he would be

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Speaker 1: charged with their murders, which is so sad. But they

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Speaker 1: were asking how I grew up. I was telling them,

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Speaker 1: Another one of my favorite shows is Curb Your Enthusiasm

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Speaker 1: with Larry David. It is just an amazing show. I

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Speaker 1: David had it right. So when I watched now, I

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Speaker 1: episode where they go out to dinner. Larry David and

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Speaker 1: his wife Cheryl played by Cheryl Hines. They go to

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Speaker 1: for dinner. And the wife is there and she's like, okay,

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Speaker 1: well what about me? And he's like, yo, okay, like

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Speaker 1: And he's like, you don't work. Is your husband's money.

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Speaker 2: He only thanksout.

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Speaker 1: So I just I love their whole like friend crew,

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Speaker 1: highlight that. But I do know, Angela, we were talking

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Speaker 1: were really upset by that, Angela.

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Speaker 2: So curious your thoughts about all of it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I hate to do this, but just to

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Speaker 4: refresh the viewers recollection or actually give them some window

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Speaker 4: into the soul of who this man is who now

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Speaker 4: sits in the chair as commander in chief of this union,

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Speaker 4: I think should actually roll the clip.

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Speaker 6: A number of Republicans have denounced your statement on True's

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Speaker 2: Do you stand by that post?

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Speaker 8: Well, I wasn't a fan of his at all. He

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Speaker 8: was a deranged person as far as Trump is concerned.

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Speaker 8: He said he knew it was false affect. It is

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Speaker 8: the exact opposite that I was a friend of Russia

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Speaker 8: controlled by Russia. You know, it was the Russia hoax.

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Speaker 3: I thought he was very bad for our country.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so tif you normally say the cheese stands alone,

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Speaker 4: and it's normally about somebody standing on the side of righteousness.

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Speaker 4: This cheese cheesy nut is standing, you know, clearly, like

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Speaker 4: not even the fact that he could use the words

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Speaker 4: as is alleged, I think is so unfortunate.

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Speaker 3: And this country is run by this man who.

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Speaker 4: Will get out regularly promote information that it has no

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Speaker 1: I think it's never been in Bible school in his life.

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Speaker 5: He didn't have no severe mental break. It was a

438
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 5: butter knife that man took him. It was Tiffany. He

439
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 5: was playing game the.

440
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 4: Way you shouldn't thrown nobody's life. You shouldn't threaten to

441
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 4: take hers.

442
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 5: Can I can I ask all a question? Yes, Yeah,

443
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 5: he took out a butter knife andry. That man wasn't seriously,

444
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 5: he wasn't about to do nothing. Have y'all ever have

445
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 5: y'all have y'all ever been in a relationship where either

446
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 5: you crashed out of the other person crashed out. Yes, yes,

447
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 5: I want to hear about it. Can you talk about it?

448
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,040
Speaker 4: No, I want to talk about this black man and

449
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 4: I can talk about it.

450
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 6: I'm much more interested in but Car's question.

451
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 5: About we're talking about she should be fired in a minute.

452
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 5: But I want to hear about the crash outs.

453
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 2: Yes, I can talk about it.

454
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: I let me just say first, I'm never the aggressor,

455
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 1: you know, like I didn't and I don't know, okay anyway,

456
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: anyway energy, if you aggress I'm not when I'm arguing

457
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 1: with somebody.

458
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 2: So it depends what your crash out looks like.

459
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 1: When I'm in argument with a man and it's only

460
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 1: been one person to make me move this way, I

461
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: don't yell, I don't curse. I'm not you know, like,

462
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 1: it's not one of those like situations where you know,

463
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: we got Jahen playing in the background and I'm throwing

464
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: ship out on the lawn or anything like that.

465
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 3: I have thrown stuff I see, I don't do.

466
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 2: I'm not violent. It's nothing like that.

467
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 3: I was not violent.

468
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: I am going to hit you in the place that

469
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: it hurts the most, in the most calming way. And

470
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: so this guy, he was not very nice to me,

471
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: and he did something that I he was just not

472
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 1: nice to me. Angela knows the whole story. So he

473
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,360
Speaker 1: just wasn't a nice person to me. And we were fighting,

474
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 1: and he was divorced and he had a really touchy

475
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 1: relationship with his kids, and amidst this fight, I said

476
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: maybe that's why your own kids don't even like you.

477
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 1: And that was probably the worst thing I could say

478
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: to him. Well, it was the worst thing I could say.

479
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: It was a wound that he has shared with me,

480
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to excuse it. I would just

481
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: say there was months and months and months of him

482
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 1: hurting me and so then when I lashed out, that's

483
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: how I did it. So that's my version of crashing out.

484
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: I think it's different if somebody pulls a knife, butter

485
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 1: or otherwise on somebody. I think that kind of crash

486
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 1: out is a little different. I know angel does not

487
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: want to talk about crashing out, but I want to ask,

488
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: and I think this.

489
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,479
Speaker 2: If y'all have an opinion, that's fine. But I kind

490
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 2: of feel like.

491
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,439
Speaker 1: This is a question specific to Angela because I know

492
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: I have thoughts. When you hear about this kind of

493
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: crash out, does it make a difference to you? Because

494
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: I know what I want to know is the wife

495
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: white or black woman? That's my point. So when you

496
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: know that, does it make a difference on how you

497
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: respond or how you feel about the situation.

498
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 3: Oh, that's no comment.

499
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 5: Advertising. I'll just say this is.

500
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 3: What I will This is what fight the power. This

501
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 3: is what I will say. And I got my black

502
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 3: leather on to day.

503
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 4: At least it's vegan leather, but I got it, you.

504
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 3: Know, thank you. I will just say that what troubles

505
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 3: me about this story in particular, and I think there's

506
00:27:58,760 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 3: historical context.

507
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 4: I said to somebody the other day, I was like,

508
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 4: this might be the first time I've ever agreed with doctor.

509
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 3: Umar on some stuff, but like, it just feels like.

510
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 4: Black women in the same position as this subordinate at

511
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 4: school would not be would not have the same protection

512
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 4: by the school. I do not believe even based on

513
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 4: what's the policy they have listed. The policy they put

514
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 4: in place after the provost at the school was sexually

515
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 4: harassing women is policy number twoh one point ninety seven.

516
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 4: And in that policy they require that if you're in

517
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 4: a relationship with the subordinate, the supervisor must report the relationship. Well,

518
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 4: he denied the relationship, and so did this subordinate. But

519
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 4: she actively concealed text messages and denied the relationship. I

520
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 4: don't know what happened for her to break up with him,

521
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,479
Speaker 4: but I just think that in these situations.

522
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 3: I want to know more. I want to know more

523
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 3: about what happened.

524
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 4: I'm not justifying his violent behavior at all, but I'm

525
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 4: very curious to know, you know what, like, did she

526
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 4: threaten him?

527
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 3: Was this an extortion moment?

528
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 4: Was like what happened to make her say now I'm

529
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 4: gonna report this relationship after denying it? And then two,

530
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 4: I just feel like, again, if a black woman were

531
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 4: in the same position, One, she wouldn't have got that

532
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 4: fifty five raise this young lady got.

533
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 3: And two I think that she would have been fired.

534
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: To the lawyer, Yes, go ahead, what you just read,

535
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: Angela said, the supervisor must disclose the relationship. Errol, The

536
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: onus is on the supervisor. So I don't see wrongdoing

537
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: in her part legally.

538
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no.

539
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 4: This is the part of me and Barcaria are arguing

540
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 4: about because I'm saying that that is true. That is

541
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 4: what their policy says. It's not the law. That's what

542
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 4: University of Michigan's policy is. But if you're confronted about

543
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 4: an alleged relationship and you deny said relationship, and you

544
00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 4: also concealed text messages they went through her phone, So

545
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 4: when you do all of that, you are actively doing

546
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 4: something wrong. I think she should be penalized, whether it's

547
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 4: the suspension or something.

548
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 3: I think that she should be penalized too, I really do.

549
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 4: I'm not saying he shouldn't be fired, he should be fired,

550
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 4: but I'm saying there should be some type of penalty

551
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 4: for involvement in the relationship.

552
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 5: They're two different things too, I hear you, Tiffany. But

553
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 5: the first thing is Angels talking about something that falls

554
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 5: outside of outside of that ordinance that she read, because

555
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 5: she's talking about impeding some type of internal investigation or

556
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 5: obstructing it, which the young lady clearly did. However, she

557
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 5: eventually came back and rectified all of that and told

558
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 5: her truth and brought receipts and all those other type

559
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 5: of things. But it's very difficult to in this word.

560
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 5: I know we're going to get crucified or I am

561
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 5: in the comments for using this word and describing her,

562
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 5: but this is an accurate legal term in describing her

563
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 5: in this situation. You cannot fire the victim of any

564
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,479
Speaker 5: type of sexual harassment or improper relationship in this setting.

565
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 5: You just simply cannot. They already gonna have to pay her.

566
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,239
Speaker 5: Firing her looks like some form of retribution, and if

567
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 5: I was advising him. I'd just be like, you keep

568
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 5: her along. The other thing is I think a black

569
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 5: woman would have got to raise because apparently it was

570
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 5: that good that he was handing out raises and everything else.

571
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 5: So he ain't get no approval. He was like, he

572
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 5: was like, man, this box is amazing. He goes. So

573
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 5: that's that's my opinion. But andrew back to my question,

574
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 5: which was the best question asked on this show in

575
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 5: a long time. I've actually crashed out once with my

576
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 5: current wife. She made me mad. She went down the

577
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 5: homecoming that's not even her homecoming back.

578
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 3: She made me mad.

579
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 5: Argument. Yeah, she went to more House spelling because you know,

580
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 5: her whole family went down there, and she's like, we

581
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 5: going to the club and all this other stuff. We

582
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 5: had been arguing, arguing, arguing, and I punched a hole

583
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 5: in the wall, okay.

584
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 2: In front of her.

585
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 5: No, she was gone. We were on the phone. I

586
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 5: hung up and punched the hole in the wall, not

587
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 5: with her not around.

588
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 3: I hope your hand hurt too. I hope your hand

589
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 3: hurt really, But.

590
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 2: What was the anger? What drove you to that reaction?

591
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 5: But I was like, I'm not I didn't go because

592
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 5: I hadn't been because we had an awful homecoming experience

593
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 5: the first time I took her, which is a whole

594
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 5: nother episode because for you all who haven't been to

595
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 5: an HBCU homecoming, we fought all night long over that

596
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 5: one question you should never ask at an HBCU homecoming

597
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 5: if you didn't go, which.

598
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 6: Is did you mess with her?

599
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 5: Who is that? Did you mess yet? Exactly? Please? Cause

600
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 5: they give they give hugs that are different at HB

601
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 5: So I didn't go back for a long period of time,

602
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 5: but she went with her sisters whatever, and then I

603
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 5: punched a hole in the wall. We ended up breaking

604
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 5: up after that, but we got back together after some time.

605
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: But I'm confused with her. Then you punched the hole

606
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: in the wall? Why was it that she was at homecoming?

607
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: Was it that she was there to spite you? Was

608
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: it that she might have run into some dudes and

609
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: they might have hollered at her?

610
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 5: The above, all of the above, And when you're irrational,

611
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 5: you're irrational and it makes no sense, and then you

612
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 5: wake up in the morning you're like, I got this

613
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 5: hole in the wall.

614
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 6: I got a passion thing.

615
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 5: So that was funny. No, I make sure there was

616
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 5: no stud right there. I wasn't silly. Uh. And then

617
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 5: I got crashed out.

618
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 6: On load load no load, daring walls here.

619
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 5: And then I got crashed out on one time. I'm

620
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 5: not gonna say who, but in college one time, my

621
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 5: senior year, my good friend Jared Lodhuk, Uh, my my

622
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 5: ex girlfriend came in the house and she was like,

623
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 5: I'm gonna just go back here.

624
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 6: Uh.

625
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 5: She had been mad at me for something, probably because

626
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 5: I was too good of an American, and she put

627
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 5: all my clothes. She put all my clothes in the tub.

628
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 5: And when Jared walked back there, my entire closet, she

629
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 5: had bleach out, and he like he stopped her. He

630
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 5: stopped her from pouring bleach on my clothes.

631
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 6: But oh my god, but I.

632
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 5: Did have I did it. When I got home, I

633
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 5: was like, why are all my clothes in the tub?

634
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 5: And he was like, you're lucky. It almost got worse

635
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 5: than this. So shut out to my brother for for

636
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 5: saving me on that infamous crash out moment.

637
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 6: Did you want to share? Did you want to share yours? No?

638
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 3: I don't.

639
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 4: I wanted to talk about this white woman and this

640
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 4: black man and what happened as a result because his

641
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,239
Speaker 4: crash I was severe. He went to jail. I had

642
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 4: never been to jail. I never threatened violence on anybody.

643
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: I will say I had a respond to something about

644
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 1: with the white man. And because I'm still a little confused,

645
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you. You tell me what I got wrong.

646
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: He's married, she works at the school doing what do

647
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: we know what she does?

648
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 4: She's an assistant mistress.

649
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: She's talking about the mistress. Is she his administrative assistant?

650
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 5: Yes, executive assistant.

651
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 2: She's his executive assistant.

652
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: These two start having an affair, and you said that

653
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 1: he sent he uh uber eats her a Plan B.

654
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 2: Like, how did all this blow up?

655
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 9: No?

656
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 3: So yeah, so they that is what is rumored.

657
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 4: I don't have any fact on that, but it is

658
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 4: interesting because they're saying how this relationship was discovered, right

659
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 4: that there was a door dash or some type of

660
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 4: order of Plan B to the office and it was

661
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 4: discovered in that way. I know that's ignorant, but it

662
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 4: makes it tracks because this whole thing is ignorant. She

663
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 4: was an administrative assistant in the athletic department. You see

664
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 4: him like on the field with her talking to her

665
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 4: if that was the practice or a game. I think

666
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 4: it was a break before a game. But they were

667
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 4: in a relationship and it's been ongoing for at least

668
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 4: a year.

669
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 3: It's been like.

670
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 5: Okay, but it was. It was one of those things.

671
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 5: It was a well known secret, well known, well known secrets. Yeah,

672
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 5: open secret, Like they would walk around on campus together.

673
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 5: The football players would would kind of pick on they

674
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 5: would talk about it, pick on him about it. It

675
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 5: was a well known secret. Her father is actually the

676
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 5: executive scout for the Chicago Bears.

677
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 3: How about that? How about that? So so I think

678
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 3: that's why I'm thinking.

679
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 4: I think that this is far more nefarious than what

680
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 4: is alleged.

681
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I was gonna say, this just goes deep

682
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 5: and deep water here and we can this is a

683
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 5: mini pod. When I got elected and when I got

684
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 5: elected in two thousand and six, one of my family

685
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 5: friends who is a very well known former.

686
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 4: Remember, wait, but Carr, you're add tip did you get

687
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 4: clarity on this on this storyline?

688
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 2: Though still I'm sure how it all blew up.

689
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 5: But I was this ties in tied together. No, no, no,

690
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 5: because I'm not gonna mention his name, but yeah, but

691
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 5: he was. He's very popular, very well known, very well

692
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 5: known politician, but he's a close family friend. And he

693
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 5: told me when I got elected, he said, you never

694
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 5: hire anyone that's attractive. And he said, either you are

695
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 5: sleeping with him or people think you're sleeping with him.

696
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 5: And I know that that probably is one of the

697
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 5: more misogynistic, sexist type of ideals. I was looking at

698
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 5: my friend Ben Watson his He was talking about his

699
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 5: college football coach. Ben is a great guy, played tight

700
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 5: end at the at the Georgia Bulldogs played in the

701
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 5: NFL twenty years and he said his college football coach

702
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 5: would not get in the elevator with the woman by himself.

703
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 5: And I know that's an outdated but so that's my

704
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,439
Speaker 5: question to y'all. And I don't know if Andrew heard

705
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 5: anything similar. It doesn't.

706
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 6: I was supposed to hire a mother figure for my

707
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,720
Speaker 6: off and I sure did, Angela Whitaker.

708
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 7: Love her to death.

709
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 6: She's a preacher and uh uh and was my EA.

710
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 6: And she had the discernment of Jesus' first acolyte. You know,

711
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 6: if you will calling office for I mean I had honestly,

712
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 6: when I first got elected, I had people who missed

713
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 6: us a contestant, Come bring her fold out book, walk

714
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 6: me through the pictures, and when she got crowned.

715
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 5: This is that.

716
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,280
Speaker 6: I mean, my my aid was in for every meeting

717
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 6: that she was suspicious of. Uh, sat right there in

718
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 6: the room.

719
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 5: Job you give her?

720
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 6: There were no jobs out, none, but car you hilarious,

721
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 6: you really are. I'm I'm not following you down into

722
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 6: any of those drains, however, But the point is is

723
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 6: that yes, it was stated, and then it was like, okay,

724
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 6: my progressive self, we cannot state this anywhere. But there

725
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 6: were operating rules that were not stated around much of

726
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 6: you know, much of those kinds of things. And I

727
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 6: do think it's unfortunate, but I have to tell you,

728
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 6: almost to a t, every one of those instances that

729
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 6: she was suspicious about could have very easily become something else,

730
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 6: because in the moment when she's not there is when

731
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 6: the unterappropriate comment gets made to you or the overture.

732
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 6: You know, you sense the overture being made and you

733
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 6: have to have discipline around to avoid it or to

734
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 6: walk through that door. So the truth is that even

735
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 6: though it's probably not popular, and it certainly isn't anybody's

736
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 6: hr book to do this. Most of those instincts around

737
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,720
Speaker 6: not doing that, it is probably the right instinct.

738
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 2: That's not I agree.

739
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 4: I think I agree it's very unfair. I don't think

740
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 4: it's fair either, But I'm gonna tell y'all. Like one,

741
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 4: there's like very traditional church stuff around this. So like

742
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 4: growing up, like high school away I started going to

743
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 4: coaching church. In high school, we were told like you

744
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 4: date in groups, you know, you go in groups. And

745
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 4: even after that, like you don't do if you like,

746
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,439
Speaker 4: if you meet with a.

747
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 3: Pastor or an elder, a deacon, you meet with the

748
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 3: door open.

749
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 4: Like there are some things that people do not because

750
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 4: it's biblical, but just because it's wisdom. And I think that,

751
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 4: you know, there are a lot of especially young folks,

752
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 4: are like all of that sounds crazy, but like even

753
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,919
Speaker 4: when I started my CBC job, the first CBC meeting

754
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 4: I went to, I had on like it was my

755
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 4: favorite DVF dress.

756
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 3: It was black and.

757
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,240
Speaker 4: If it was form fitting, but it wasn't like yes,

758
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 4: it was, well, it was right to the knee, like

759
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 4: right at.

760
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 5: The did you have to jump up and down?

761
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 3: Shut up? No, just wait a minute, let me make

762
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 3: my point.

763
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 4: So the thing is it was form fitting, but it

764
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 4: wasn't skin tight.

765
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 3: The women members that left.

766
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 4: That meeting and how they described what I had on,

767
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,720
Speaker 4: you would think that my ass was out at the club,

768
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 4: boobs booted, ever at the sea through like it was

769
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 4: so bad and you know what was behind that. I

770
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 4: was so offended at first when it was reported back

771
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 4: to me by Patrice Willoughby, who was the edy before me.

772
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 4: But she was saying, you know, the members really want

773
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 4: to make sure that you cover up. You know, the

774
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 4: women are and they were trying to protect me from

775
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 4: the men.

776
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 3: So it's there is something about it that is.

777
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 4: Frustrating, that is remarkably unfair, but also it comes from

778
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 4: a place of protection.

779
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 3: For the most part.

780
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 4: I ain't going to speak for all of them, but

781
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 4: I know in my experiences that absolutely came.

782
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 5: From go ahead.

783
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 1: I think that's so unfair, and if that were the case,

784
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: that Angela wouldn't have been hired for any of the

785
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: jobs that she had on Capitol Hill. I also don't

786
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: think that those comments are always rooted in protection. Sometimes

787
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: there is like an animus towards younger women who look

788
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: a certain way, and you can feel you can feel that,

789
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: and it doesn't come from a good place all the time. Furthermore,

790
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: it's discrimination, like you're discriminating against some.

791
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 2: And I think it says more about the higher than.

792
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: It does the potential employee that you cannot handle a

793
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 1: situation like attractive people can be attractive and smart and capable.

794
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: So if whoever was doing, you know, mister Clever's hiring

795
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: Congressman Emmanuel Cleaver from Missouri, who is the executive director

796
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: or the CBC at the time, Andel chair or the

797
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 1: chair forgive me the chair of the CBC when Angel

798
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 1: was ed, imagine I'm saying like, no, no, no, mystically,

799
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: but she can't work for you, but she's too attractive,

800
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: Like that would not have been fair to.

801
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 6: But the facts are is that attractive people are not losing.

802
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 6: They're the ones who are large.

803
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 2: But we don't know that.

804
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 6: Studies, no, no, no, no, no. Studies studies attraction identify that

805
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 6: the more attractive you are, the more likely you are

806
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 6: to be hired, the higher paid you are, so on

807
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 6: and so on and so on. So in truth, even

808
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 6: though we may have some of these layers on our associations,

809
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 6: the truth is is that people who are attractive who

810
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 6: are largely you know, thinner who I mean, they're winning by.

811
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you yes, Andrew every point, there was

812
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 4: some women who were like, how did you get your job?

813
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 3: Right?

814
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 5: I was about to say, I mean the perception, the perception,

815
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 5: but you must have been doing something.

816
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 3: So then let me tell you what my answer was.

817
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 4: Back, and young people, I encourage you to try this

818
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 4: at home, I said, back, not the same way you

819
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 4: got yours?

820
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 1: Young fun that way, like that is the surest fastest

821
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: way to alienate yourself. Like watch your mouth when you're

822
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,760
Speaker 1: talking to people asking you. You are a young person

823
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: trying to find your question. I agree that question is well,

824
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: the implication of the question is in appropriate.

825
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 4: It was the way they even said it. I know

826
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 4: it was like, oh, how did you get your job?

827
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 3: Not the same way?

828
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 1: You disrespectful to you and they yeah, But I hope

829
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: that younger people can navigate that space a little better.

830
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: Here's the advice I would offer young women, and something

831
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. I wouldn't I would

832
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: not encourage that kind of tone from younger people trying

833
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: to navigate their way. This is the advice I would

834
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: offer that I had to learn myself because a lot

835
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 1: of people, sometimes older men come to in quotations help

836
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: younger women, younger attractive women, and they come under the

837
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,479
Speaker 1: guise of mentorship or under the GUIDs that I'm trying

838
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: to help you, and they have bad intentions. And then

839
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: you're met with this group of more established older women

840
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: who are looking at you saying things like, well, how

841
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: did you get your job? You know, and you can

842
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: feel lonely as this young person trying to find your way.

843
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: You know, both both sides are trying to attack you

844
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: from a very negative way. Here's what I had to learn.

845
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: So a guy told me this. He's like, look, you're

846
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: a young attractive woman in DC. People are going to

847
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 1: try to you know, if your go if your intention

848
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: is I'm never going to talk to you because you're

849
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: trying to sleep with me. Like you, it would be

850
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: hard for you to navigate. You have to learn how

851
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 1: to navigate those situations. So things I did, and I

852
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: offer this to young women. One, there's no reason for

853
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: us to meet for drinks or dinner. If somebody wants

854
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: to help you have breakfast, let's meet for breakfast. See

855
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,479
Speaker 1: if the chief of staff or somebody or coffee, even

856
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: see if somebody can join you, you know, say I

857
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: really you know, your chief of staff or your home ever,

858
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: if it's not a member on Capitol Hill, but somebody else,

859
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: like I would love to learn from them as well,

860
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: you know, Or is it possible if I bring a

861
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: friend of law because she could really benefit from your

862
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: tutelage anything like that. I think for women who Angela

863
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: says it comes from protection, I didn't always experience it

864
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: as protection. I think for women who respond that way, unfortunately,

865
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: like you're not in a place to battle with them

866
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: on equal footing. So I think a better or one

867
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 1: way I would suggest responding is to show your talent,

868
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: you know, like actually answer the question, say, oh I

869
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: graduated top of my class. I'm from Spellman. I you know,

870
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: intern for this person. That person. I'd really love to

871
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: pursue law. I hope to be an executive director one day.

872
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: Would love to bend your ear if you have time

873
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: to hear from me to me and let me do

874
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: agree to me. That is a little more belittling, but

875
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 1: also because me as an older person, if I talk

876
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: to a younger person that way and they responded, now

877
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: I feel embarrassed. Now, I feel embarrassed that I was

878
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: trying to be a vits to this young girl and

879
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: she responded with an appropriate answer that gave me her

880
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,280
Speaker 1: resume that showed that she more than earned the job,

881
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: and she just happened to be attractive.

882
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,280
Speaker 5: She's still at gonna like this, she.

883
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:28,760
Speaker 2: Does your one. That's not true, Beakari.

884
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,720
Speaker 1: I don't believe that about It pitched women against women,

885
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: and I just hate that attitude. But they would give

886
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: practice to these young people to carry yourself with a

887
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: certain demeanor.

888
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,280
Speaker 6: You knowsition in the conversation. Y'all are people who actually

889
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 6: genuinely mean to help you along the way, which I

890
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 6: have to say are they're plentiful in the process. And

891
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 6: sometimes the experiences you might get from some of those

892
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 6: people is that because they're they're either they're set up

893
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 6: to to to being where they are has already been

894
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 6: tainted by someone, or their experiences so far have have

895
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 6: caused them to have doubt around your intentions so much

896
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 6: that there becomes this rejection of decent people who are

897
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 6: really just trying to help you navigate the situation, not

898
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 6: trying to get in your bands are offended by the

899
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 6: very suggestion that that's their intent, and you find yourself

900
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 6: up the creek without a pedal because you decided to

901
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 6: put everybody in the same box. That wasn't the but

902
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:26,760
Speaker 6: was it the intent?

903
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 3: So I guess that's men and women.

904
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 5: I can only imagine the opportunities I missed just from

905
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 5: being handsome. I mean, it's.

906
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,959
Speaker 6: But this show was not one of them, and that's good.

907
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 5: Uh uh.

908
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: I mean you've you've had Angela is intentional about mentoring

909
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 1: young people in a way that will make all of

910
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: us feel guilty because I don't have the capacity that

911
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: she does. But she devotes so much time to these

912
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: young people. You guys have all talked to PDP, but

913
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: you run the program like you. It's it's a difference

914
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: between me popping in to talk to them.

915
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 3: Versus I just appreciate it. They do too.

916
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: But you have had young people and that say, I

917
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: bore witness once. But you had young people come out

918
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: their mouth the wrong way to you. Not it's like subtle,

919
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: you know, it's like you just won one little inch

920
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: too far, and it does not endear them to you.

921
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 3: You know, it actually does.

922
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 4: There's one in particular she's gonna be mad at me

923
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 4: for saying it. Not the one, but this one that

924
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 4: comes to mind. I actually appreciate the combative ones the

925
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 4: most in the program because it gives me an opportunity.

926
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 3: It does.

927
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 4: It gives me an opportunity to guide a little more.

928
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 4: I know what it feels like to be froggy and leap.

929
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. There's one in particular right now, Morgan.

930
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 3: I love you. But Morgan is in the program right now,

931
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 3: and Morgan is always she's she's she's feisty and passionate,

932
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:46,760
Speaker 3: and I know it's not directed at me.

933
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 2: Yes, you do what you did? I don't remember.

934
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 1: It was some girl and she was It was one

935
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: of the sessions and she says something out of pocket.

936
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 5: We need to revisit this topic. This is a good one.

937
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: I don't memory. We can table a baby my memory

938
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: and Jack Candela like the girl left the group. The

939
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: girl ended up leaving, but the girl, so we can.

940
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 4: Do we can add to the Christmas thing, the Grinch

941
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 4: who stole the Grinch who stole?

942
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 3: Uh your PDP opportunity. But yeah, we just we go.

943
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 4: We're gonna focus on opportunity, I guess. But yes, speaking

944
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 4: of young people, we of course know on a Saturday

945
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 4: note that, Uh, there was a really tragic shooting this

946
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 4: past week at Brown University and it hit really close

947
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 4: to home. I know Tiff has someone who's like a

948
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 4: nephew to her. This at the school and my god son,

949
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 4: I call him godson nephew.

950
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 5: F A.

951
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 4: Alijo attends Brown University and was right near where all

952
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 4: the activity was taking place, heard the gunshots.

953
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 10: Uh.

954
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 3: He joins us today to talk about his.

955
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 4: Experience at Brown before and after the shooting, which I

956
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 4: think is important. As joins us and Nick brings him

957
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 4: in the studio, I will just say one of my

958
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 4: favorite things to say about Fa is he is a

959
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 4: computer science with an engineering student, but he plays. He walks,

960
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 4: walked onto the football team at Brown. He is not

961
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 4: on football scholarship, he's on academic scholarship. But I love

962
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 4: that he is multi talented and multifaceted.

963
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 5: And just just a note for the viewing audience, I'm

964
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 5: going to bow out of this conversation because we have

965
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 5: some it's an ongoing investigation into this matter, and we

966
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 5: don't have a lot of answers, and there are a

967
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 5: lot of victims that will be represented in this matter

968
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 5: in my firm may be involved. So I'm going to

969
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 5: bow out just to keep the integrity of the investigation

970
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 5: where it should be. But shout out to this young man.

971
00:49:55,239 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 4: Nobody knows, so Fa, thank you so much much for

972
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 4: joining us today. I know that Saturday was a crazy experience.

973
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 3: I was very worried. Your mom was very worried.

974
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,959
Speaker 4: Can you talk a little bit about what you saw,

975
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 4: what you heard in your experience?

976
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 9: For sure, it was crazy. It's hard to put it

977
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 9: in the words, the totality of the experience. But I

978
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 9: was studying in the library. We call it the sidelines,

979
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 9: the sciences library. I was studying up all the way

980
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 9: on the thirteenth floor and this and the first thing

981
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 9: that happened was a girl came up to the window

982
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 9: right next to me. She peered out the window and

983
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 9: she gasped, and then she walked away. And I didn't

984
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 9: know what was going on because I was studying.

985
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 11: I hadn't been on my phone or anything, so I

986
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 11: just went back to my work. I was wondering, why

987
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 11: did she gas? And then some more people came up

988
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 11: and they taught me, and they were like when it

989
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 11: was one of my friends, and she taught me and

990
00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 11: she was like, somebody, somebody got shot and I and

991
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 11: I stood up, and at first it didn't really process it,

992
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 11: almost like didn't sigger that much of a reaction for me,

993
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 11: just because that's something, unfortunately that I've heard more than

994
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 11: once before. But when I got up and I looked

995
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 11: out the window, I saw not only I saw somebody

996
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 11: on the ground and medical responses caring for them, but

997
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 11: I also saw probably seven or eight police cars on

998
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 11: the on the side of the street, so I knew

999
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 11: it was something a little bit more serious. I texted,

1000
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 11: started texting, I texted my mom, I texted some of

1001
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 11: my closest friends, my teammates, my roommates, just to make

1002
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 11: sure they were okay. And then as I kept looking

1003
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 11: out the window, I saw I started to see people

1004
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 11: kind of running around, like police officers running around in

1005
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 11: the perimeter of the library and this area where this

1006
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 11: person was on the ground, and I and people everybody

1007
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 11: started talking about it and what we came to realize

1008
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 11: that it was an active shooter, and it was somebody

1009
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 11: who was trying to keep shooting and keep hurting more people,

1010
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 11: not just a one time incident.

1011
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 9: So as the time went on, we I saw people

1012
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 9: still running around. I didn't see anything else out the window,

1013
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 9: but as you could go around the library, I saw

1014
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,760
Speaker 9: a Bayer Street, which is like the biggest busiest street

1015
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,879
Speaker 9: on our campus. It was cop cars all the way

1016
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 9: up the street, literally as far as I could see.

1017
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 9: And then even that's a north south street, even on

1018
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 9: the east and west besides there was cop cars. I

1019
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,919
Speaker 9: heard a report that they pulled in all the cop

1020
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 9: cars and Providence and then started even pulling in some

1021
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 9: from around the city just because of the searts that

1022
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 9: was going on, and they were trying to find the person.

1023
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:05,320
Speaker 9: So after that, the students on the floor hour was

1024
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 9: with It was maybe twenty or twenty five of us

1025
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 9: decided to barricade the doors. We heard a report that

1026
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 9: maybe the shooter was because they were running it was

1027
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 9: running around. We heard a report that maybe they came

1028
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 9: in the bottom floor of the library. So we were

1029
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 9: still on the thirteenth floor. I didn't feel super personally

1030
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 9: threatened in that moment, but it was still good. We

1031
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 9: barricaded the doors and took our own safety precautions. After

1032
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 9: maybe an hour or an hour and a half, excuse me,

1033
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 9: we heard that the police were coming in to evacuate

1034
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 9: and search the building, the sciences library that I was in,

1035
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 9: and they were going up four by four, so I

1036
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 9: we heard that they were going up four by four,

1037
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 9: and maybe a few floors down we heard at least

1038
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 9: I heard the police yell knock on the door door,

1039
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 9: but a.

1040
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 7: Few fours down or Providence police were coming in.

1041
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 9: And so I kind of knew that, okay, they're coming

1042
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 9: up to our floor. And then maybe a few minutes later,

1043
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 9: we heard somebody excuse me. We heard somebody knock on

1044
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 9: the door, but they didn't say anything. So that caused

1045
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 9: a lot of panic in the in the room. Everyone

1046
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 9: went to the other side of the room because some

1047
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 9: people thought, okay, maybe it was they shoot it.

1048
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 7: It was coming in and trying to come up to

1049
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 7: our floor.

1050
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 9: That caused a lot of panic in the room, and

1051
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 9: that was a lot of heightened emotions in that moment.

1052
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 9: But a few maybe admitute or two later, through a

1053
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:50,240
Speaker 9: different door, the police came in announced themselves Providence police,

1054
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 9: and they got us all the one side of the room,

1055
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 9: made us count off to get a head count. That

1056
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 9: thankfully let us grab our stuff for short period of

1057
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,959
Speaker 9: time our belongings and our computer and stuff like that,

1058
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 9: and then they escorted us all the way down to

1059
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:06,760
Speaker 9: the basement.

1060
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 4: EF I want to ask you really quick on just

1061
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 4: on this point, on how you all responded to this

1062
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,240
Speaker 4: with One of the things you and I talked about

1063
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 4: before is when I was growing up, we did drills

1064
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 4: for fire and earthquake.

1065
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 3: But when even when you were in high school, you

1066
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 3: did a drill for shooting.

1067
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 4: If a shooting happens at school, was it was it

1068
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 4: remarkably different from what you learned at school. The response,

1069
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 4: the way that you responded, the way you felt in

1070
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 4: the moment, for sure it was.

1071
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 7: It was a little bit different. I think.

1072
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 9: One of the main differences that presented us, that presented

1073
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 9: itself was the location of where I was in response

1074
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 9: to the shooter. I think it would have been different

1075
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 9: if I was on the if I was on the

1076
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 9: bottom floor on the basement. Because we were on the

1077
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 9: thirteenth floor, I think it didn't feel as dangerous, I

1078
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 9: guess I could say, but I think a lot of

1079
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,760
Speaker 9: the same things came into play, like barricading the doors.

1080
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 9: I think one thing that was different is none of

1081
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 9: us were hiding necessarily, but I had. My roommate was

1082
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 9: on the in the basement, so you walk in the library,

1083
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 9: there's no door, and just walked down some steps into

1084
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 9: the basement, and he described everybody was hiding in the basement.

1085
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 9: So I think that was one of the main differences

1086
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 9: that presented itself. But in terms of barricading the doors,

1087
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 9: and then obviously when we heard noise is coming up,

1088
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 9: those a lot of those other things came into play, and.

1089
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:54,919
Speaker 6: I'm curious to know one. Thank you for sharing your experience.

1090
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 6: I remember how emotional my wife and I were when

1091
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 6: we got the notice about our kids having to first

1092
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Speaker 6: do active shooter drills. And I think the way in

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Speaker 6: which Angel and I grew up at that time and

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Speaker 6: at that period, because we weren't so exposed to active

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Speaker 6: shooter drills being a regular part of training. It really

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Speaker 6: messes with your mind when you hear about your kids

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Speaker 6: or people who you're very close to having to go

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Speaker 6: through that experience. One that I think you know, in

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Speaker 6: an ideal scenario, you would want to protect kids from.

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Speaker 6: You don't want my kids thinking about somebody coming into

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Speaker 6: a classroom with a gun to you know, to take

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Speaker 6: them out. But your you know, your lived experience is

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Speaker 6: a little bit different than what ours was in the

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Speaker 6: sense that I think you probably have, at least as

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Speaker 6: far as I've been able to read, maybe two classmates

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Speaker 6: who this was the second active shooter event that they

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Speaker 6: had been in in their lifetimes, which means twice before

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Speaker 6: they have been in this this kind of condition and scenario.

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Speaker 6: And I just under psychologically for you and your peers

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Speaker 6: whether or not is there a shock toa moments like this,

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Speaker 6: or does it do you fully anticipate that over the

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Speaker 6: course of your life and your educational experience, that this

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Speaker 6: is something that you and your peers are going to

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Speaker 6: have to deal with and that older folks probably like us,

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Speaker 6: ought to just get over, you know, the shock and

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Speaker 6: awe around active shooter drills having to be taught to

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Speaker 6: our children and embrace the fact that this is kind

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Speaker 6: of part of your lived experience now for your generation

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Speaker 6: and maybe those coming after you. Or is there still

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Speaker 6: a healthy rejection of this as an experience that you

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Speaker 6: have to go through.

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Speaker 7: I'm curious, for sure. I am.

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Speaker 9: There's a lot of merit to that. I think that

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Speaker 9: in the moment it was a shock, of course, However,

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Speaker 9: it really wasn't I don't think the shock that I

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Speaker 9: had was near the levels of the shot that.

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Speaker 7: Maybe my parents or you all met it might have had.

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Speaker 9: I think in high school we had one active shooter situation,

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Speaker 9: not directly on our campus but a few blocks away.

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Speaker 9: So even just that being in my lived experience before,

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Speaker 9: I think I heard that it was a shooter.

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Speaker 7: And I was like, wow, this is this is real.

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Speaker 9: Of course, you never expected to be your school, especially

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Speaker 9: a mass shooting and things. I don't want to describe

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Speaker 9: the numbers, but in the moment on Saturday, we numbers

1136
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 9: were going around of casualties that were higher than what

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Speaker 9: the actual number ended up being. So that was that

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Speaker 9: part had a lot of shock because that's something that

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Speaker 9: you never experienced, you never expect to be you even

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Speaker 9: if you have heard it before. But I think the

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00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 9: totality of the experience it was shocking, and I didn't

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Speaker 9: expect it to happen for sure, but I think in

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Speaker 9: my head it was just it was kind of like, oh,

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Speaker 9: this is this is happening. It this is the next

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Speaker 9: one that happened. It was like it's it's like it

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Speaker 9: was almost like it had been enough time, it's pasted,

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Speaker 9: Like where this is the next one that's going on.

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Speaker 6: If that makes sense, Yeah, heartbreaking, but yes, it just

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Speaker 6: makes sense.

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Speaker 3: If do you feel safe for turning to school.

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Speaker 7: I think that.

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Speaker 9: In a month, a little over a month, I think

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Speaker 9: I would feel safe returning to school.

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Speaker 7: I think it's always going to be in the back

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Speaker 7: of your mind.

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Speaker 9: I hope that there'll be at least a little bit

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Speaker 9: of added security and things like that that go on

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Speaker 9: on campus. And I know that they're definitely going to

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Speaker 9: be changing things that changing things past this next winter break,

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Speaker 9: but I think I would feel safe. I think the

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Speaker 9: safety that I felt before this incident as a big

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Speaker 9: was was great. It was really strong, and I feel

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Speaker 9: like I felt safe walking around campus all hours of

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Speaker 9: the day, interacting with people, not not even just ground

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Speaker 9: students and faculty, but interacting with people in the Providence community.

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Speaker 9: I feel really safe to have not even walking around

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Speaker 9: downtown and going off campus, and I feel like that

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01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 9: isn't going to completely go away, but it will always

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Speaker 9: be in the back of your mind for sure. I

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Speaker 9: think I probably won't go out for as many walks

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Speaker 9: and stuff like that on my own, but I think

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Speaker 9: in the in the in the big picture, I'll feel safe,

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Speaker 9: especially because I feel like our community there's so much

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Speaker 9: you can do against somebody with a gun, but I

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Speaker 9: think our community is also going to be a lot

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Speaker 9: tighter and a lot stronger and willing to support each other.

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Speaker 7: So I feel like that also adds to that.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm so grateful that you could join us today.

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01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 4: Means the world to me and definitely want you to

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Speaker 4: feel safe. So love you, god Son, Thank you, good.

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Speaker 5: Love, good luck, good luck.

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Speaker 7: We're proud of you too, Thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 6: Okay, Wow, I just appreciate, appreciate you tapping into your

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01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 6: personal network and for FA being so willing to come

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Speaker 6: on and share that experience. It is I you know,

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Speaker 6: there's this there's a difference in generations, right because these

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Speaker 6: guys have to be built to really tolerate experiences that

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Speaker 6: are just you know, really beyond what I think I felt,

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Speaker 6: what I know I felt, you know, elementary middle high school.

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Speaker 6: That wasn't active shooter, wasn't my fear, you know, buying

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01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 6: large hurricanes and tornado. Who were our drills? You talked

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Speaker 6: about earthquakes, Angela and your experience and Florida. You know,

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Speaker 6: for a lot of us, it was getting the corner,

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Speaker 6: cover your head, get under your desk, you know, those

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Speaker 6: sorts of things in fear of tornadoes breaking out or

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Speaker 6: or or god forbid you being in a situation where

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Speaker 6: hurricane conditions started to whip up. But it wasn't this

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Speaker 6: kind of a situation. But each I guess, each generation

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Speaker 6: has to confront these things differently, and it's gonna take

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Speaker 6: me a long time before I think I accept you know,

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Speaker 6: active shooter drills and that kind of thing is being

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Speaker 6: regular and normal.

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Speaker 4: We had like gun violence that we were worried about,

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Speaker 4: but it was like drive by shootings and gang violence,

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Speaker 4: but for the most part it was targeted. We lost

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Speaker 4: somebody who was two years ahead of me in middle school.

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Speaker 4: I think it was her freshman year in high school,

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Speaker 4: but it was it was still rare, and I'm not

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Speaker 4: justifying it, but it's just like we did not prepare for,

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Speaker 4: Like how do you respond to a drive by or gunshots?

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Speaker 3: Like we just ran.

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Speaker 4: That's what we learned to run. But yeah, I just

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Speaker 4: I wish that this did not happen to fa I

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Speaker 4: was telling I camera, if I was telling y'all, I

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01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 4: don't think I told y'all this, But I was saying

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Speaker 4: to my mom the other day that earlier this year,

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Speaker 4: when he was starting at Brown, I was like, man,

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Speaker 4: I really wanted you to go to Howard. I hate

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01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 4: like't he didn't get enough scholarship money basically at Howard,

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Speaker 4: and Brown covered his tuition for the most part. And

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Speaker 4: I was like, well, it must have been God because

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Speaker 4: now they got to National Guard and Ice outside of Howard.

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Speaker 3: So we would have been so panicked. We would have

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Speaker 3: been so worried.

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Speaker 4: You know, like I would have had tip combined to

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Speaker 4: swoop you up right, like we would have been trying

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Speaker 4: to move completely different. And then when this happened, I

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Speaker 4: was like, what am Where is he safe?

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Speaker 5: You know?

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Speaker 4: And I can't imagine the number of parents and aunties

1231
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 4: and godparents and grandparents who were asking this question all

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Speaker 4: the time about their elementary school students, their middle school students,

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Speaker 4: their high school students and now college too, and it's

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Speaker 4: just it's just it's remarkable. I cannot imagine, like the

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Speaker 4: young man who wanted to become a brain surgeon because

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01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 4: he had brain surgery, losing his life on this campus

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Speaker 4: his freshman year.

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Speaker 3: It's just it's unbelievable.

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Speaker 4: So thank you all for carving out the time for

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01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 4: that and hopefully we can figure out what gun safety

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Speaker 4: really looks like in this country.

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Speaker 1: All right, every week we ask you guys to submit

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Speaker 1: your viewer questions comments. We love to hear from you,

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01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 1: and we say welcome home. It's with intention. So before

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01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 1: we get out of the show this week, we want

1246
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 1: to hear from you what's on your mind. Let's hear

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01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 1: from a viewer.

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Speaker 10: My name is a Ken and I'm from Atlanta. The

1249
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 10: term patriotism is a scam. Every time the government labels

1250
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 10: people as unpatriotic, it's because critical thinking has prevented those

1251
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 10: people from accepting a lie. The people against the wars

1252
01:05:56,600 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 10: in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan and were labeled unpatriotic. All

1253
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 10: those wars were based on lies. Let's be real. The

1254
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 10: American government has been aligned to the American people since

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01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 10: July fourth, seventeen seventy six. In seventeen seventy six, the

1256
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Speaker 10: American people were told to go west for free land.

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Speaker 10: But that land wasn't free. It came at the cost

1258
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Speaker 10: of the genocide of the natives living on that land.

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Speaker 10: I would like to hear more troops like this from

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Speaker 10: the tunnel.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: He sounds like you ready to join the panel. I

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01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 4: don't have anything that had no. No, great, no, no,

1264
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Speaker 4: you got to roll another one.

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Speaker 1: Thank yeah, Thank you, Ken, And I echo everything he said.

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Speaker 1: In terms of patriotism, I kind of feel like we

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01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 1: talked about this a bit earlier and we were talking

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Speaker 1: about evangelicals. A lot of these terms are rooted in

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Speaker 1: what white conservatives think, how they define patriotism. They would

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01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 1: rather have somebody who's an accused trader, somebody who had.

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Speaker 2: Hostile leaders of a hostile.

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Speaker 1: Nation in the Oval Office leaking American intelligence to Kisleyak

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Speaker 1: from Russia in the Oval Office, and this is the

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Speaker 1: person who they call their patriots. So, Kim, we couldn't

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Speaker 1: agree with you more. Thank you for taking the time

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Speaker 1: to send us a video.

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Speaker 6: I do accept the challenge that I think he threw down,

1278
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 6: which is to interrogate intensely everything that we hear from

1279
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Speaker 6: our government and frankly that we hear in society. I

1280
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 6: think said, I think that's a fair challenge, not to

1281
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 6: take things that sort of window window dressing and face

1282
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 6: value that we interrogated.

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Speaker 3: I agree Lolo said this was our mini PI.

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Speaker 1: Basically, but We do have a mini pot coming out

1285
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 1: this week, so be sure you check that out on Friday.

1286
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 2: But let's get the call to action. Who's kicking us off?

1287
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 12: Who cares about truth when the laws more than say it.

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01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 5: I got a call called at I think I'm stealing

1289
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 5: what Angela said. Spend some time, and I talked to

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Speaker 5: a guy in the in the airport. He ran me

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01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 5: down in the airport. No, he didn't think I was

1292
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 5: Andrew Gillen, but he actually ran me down in the

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01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:24,480
Speaker 5: airport and he said he was talking to me about

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Speaker 5: how he's encouraging his family to teach about civil rights.

1295
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Speaker 5: And I think that we need to spend some time

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Speaker 5: celebrating Kwanza. And the reason we need to celebrate Kwansa

1297
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 5: is not to be militant, not to go through this

1298
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 5: exercise of necessarily just trying to be different for the

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Speaker 5: sake of being different. And please God, don't do it

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01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 5: just to post on Instagram. But the just the the

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Speaker 5: the very fundamental tenets of Kwansa teach us what Angela

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01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 5: was talking about, which is to love yourself. And I

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01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:01,680
Speaker 5: think that the com except of community, the concept of

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01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 5: loving yourself are all encapsulated in quansa. And so while

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Speaker 5: we're saying Happy Hanukkah, and while we're saying Merry Christmas,

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Speaker 5: I also want to say Happy Kwanza to those who celebrate.

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Speaker 5: And if you don't, it's worth just picking up a

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Speaker 5: book and reading about it a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Ay, I like it. I'll go next.

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Speaker 4: Since I got tag teamed in here, I found out

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Speaker 4: about this site. It's not updated for this year.

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Speaker 5: No, you should look at it on your private browser though,

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Speaker 5: because you don't want people to.

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Speaker 6: Speak whatsite to tell you.

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Speaker 3: Renee blew it renee blew It.

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Speaker 4: Started this concept called she Did That, and the tagline says,

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Speaker 4: when black women own businesses, when we all win. So

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Speaker 4: I started going, like looking through this site, and she

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Speaker 4: has this whole gift guide that she created for the

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Speaker 4: holidays last year, and it's it was a twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: four guide, but tif when I tell you, there are

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Speaker 4: some incredible hats and ear rings and head reps and

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Speaker 4: games and shoes and food and art, like I mean,

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Speaker 4: she has all of the things. That's seventy five black

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Speaker 4: women owned businesses and she did it also in twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty one, but twenty twenty four as the latest I

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Speaker 4: did click on a number of the sites to see

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Speaker 4: if they're still active. When I tell you I'm about

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Speaker 4: to burn a hole in my pocket, I don't need

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Speaker 4: but I want you all to please consider it's called

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Speaker 4: she did that dot co, not dot com.

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Speaker 3: She did that dot co.

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Speaker 4: But shout out to the sister for taking the time

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Speaker 4: to hand pick and curate these incredible businesses.

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Speaker 3: Paper goods. Wellness. You know, I can't wait to get.

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Speaker 6: To the bun bag.

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Speaker 5: Yes, that's good, that's stuff.

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Speaker 2: We should get some stuff to wear, like when we

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Speaker 2: go to Detroit.

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Speaker 3: Oh, yes, that's true.

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Speaker 5: You know what you know we need to do? Get

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Speaker 5: back to This is random but nothing, but we need

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Speaker 5: to get back to. Uh remember when Ebany used to

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Speaker 5: have all of the scholarships in the Is it anywhere?

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Speaker 3: Did you freeze or.

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Speaker 2: FROs Jesus Lord, help help for Macary?

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Speaker 3: Yep, yep, yep, yip yip gip just hushed.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Andrew, give to you hopefully McCary Andrew call to action.

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Speaker 6: I just the holidays is coming up. Everybody get out

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01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 6: a little bit more time on their hands. I just

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Speaker 6: encourage folks to spend time as best you can with family.

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Speaker 6: The ones you're born into, but also the ones that

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Speaker 6: you select. It doesn't it doesn't require a whole bunch

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Speaker 6: You don't need a whole bunch of money, a whole

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Speaker 6: bunch of much of anything to carve out that time

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Speaker 6: to spend with those folks. Because when the cars come

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Speaker 6: crashing in or you're at your moment of desperation or uh,

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Speaker 6: you just want to be with the people who love

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Speaker 6: you or or or or ride with you just because

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Speaker 6: you're you just the time to pay it forward into

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Speaker 6: those relationships so that your time of crisis isn't the

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Speaker 6: first time that they didn't heard from you in a

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Speaker 6: minute that you've paid some of that forward in don't

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Speaker 6: do it for that intention. I'm just simply saying, think

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Speaker 6: about the people who are your roight or dies and

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Speaker 6: pouring some time into that relationship while we can this

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Speaker 6: holiday season.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: I'll go last, and I'm being disobedient as you guys

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Speaker 1: are going through your ccas, I was like, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if I to do this or not, but I'm

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Speaker 1: going to My publisher will probably kill me. But because

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Speaker 1: we were talking about loving ourselves, I want to tell

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Speaker 1: everyone that for the past I think year and a half,

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Speaker 1: maybe two years. I have been consumed with writing from

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Speaker 1: sun up to sundown. That's all I've been doing is writing.

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Speaker 1: And so I want to tell everybody my book will

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Speaker 1: be available for sale on January first, and it is

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Speaker 1: rooted yes, loving yourself. They told me not to say anything.

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Speaker 1: They're like, we'll make me an thouncen in January. But

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Speaker 1: I love that we were talking about this. It seems

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Speaker 1: right on time. It is rooted in loving ourselves. It

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01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 1: is a snapshot of everything black women are seeing, experiencing,

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01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:56,639
Speaker 1: and feeling right now in this era of American rock.

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01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 1: It is not just about politics, although I include politics.

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01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 1: It's not just about policy, although I talk about that,

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Speaker 1: but it is about our personhood, our humanity, our love,

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Speaker 1: our sisterhood. Angela's in the book, but Car is in

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Speaker 1: the book, Andrew's in the book. But it really is

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Speaker 1: a comprehensive, holistic look. And so I hope on January

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Speaker 1: first that people will find it. Well, that's when you'll

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Speaker 1: hear the title and see the book cover. So my

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01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 1: publishers won't be too upset that I said this today. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm very very excited. Angela does not know, but she's

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01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 1: gonna be on my book tour with me somewhere I'm pulling. Yes,

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01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:35,920
Speaker 1: we'll be in conversation somewhere. I have an idea where

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01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:37,519
Speaker 1: I want us to be, but we'll talk about it

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01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:40,679
Speaker 1: next year. So anyway, I beg you all on January first.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you how you can find the book and

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01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:47,719
Speaker 1: all that, but it is support our She been working hard, yes,

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Speaker 1: bleeding on the pages.

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01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 6: So I give order you let me know.

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01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if RJ told you, but I

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01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 2: was texting her yesterday because.

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01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:57,799
Speaker 6: I want so exciting.

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01:13:57,880 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, good, I want us to do something.

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01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:01,639
Speaker 6: When we were discussing the cities.

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01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:03,639
Speaker 2: Oh good, okay, good, you're good.

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01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:04,600
Speaker 6: You're discussed trying to.

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01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 2: God our other call action.

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01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:11,639
Speaker 1: I would just say, we would ask our brethren out

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01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 1: there to please pray for Bacari and his WiFi situation.

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01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:19,439
Speaker 3: Please, in the name of Jesus, the work, the Blood,

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01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:19,920
Speaker 3: the blood.

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Speaker 1: Every week, my mama, we ask you the name of Jesus,

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01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:27,920
Speaker 1: please get this man.

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01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 4: He blew off a dial up in twenty twenty five.

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01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:33,080
Speaker 4: Oh God, let him stop freezing. Oh God, let him

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01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 4: stop cutting on our comments and just being doing the

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01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:40,040
Speaker 4: robottle gods the devil.

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Speaker 3: In the name of Jesus.

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Speaker 6: Hiyy oh Jesus. All right about, you're playing with God

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01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:50,559
Speaker 6: and I got we're not.

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01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:54,759
Speaker 4: Playing with Bacari because he's playing with us in Jesus

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Speaker 4: Mighty names.

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Speaker 2: Amen.

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01:14:58,040 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 9: Amen.

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