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Speaker 1: What's going on? Everybody? It's your boy or just a boy?

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Speaker 1: John Middlecoff Three and Out podcast, Colin Coward Podcast Network.

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Speaker 1: A lot going on. We've got the owners meetings in

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Speaker 1: full swing. You know that means Andy Reid has the

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Speaker 1: shorts and the Hawaiian shirt out. We got coaches pictures,

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Speaker 1: we got GM pictures. I'm sure by Friday we'll have

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Speaker 1: a ton of stuff to go over, you know, Belichick,

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Speaker 1: whenever he talks at the breakfast to get peppered about

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Speaker 1: Robert Craft and the massage parlors. But today some thoughts

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Speaker 1: on March madness and the tom Iszo controversy and how

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Speaker 1: that parallels some stuff with football coaches. This new fourth

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Speaker 1: and fifteen rule that's kind of gonna might potentially wipe

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Speaker 1: out the on side kick. I'm fascinated by it. I

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Speaker 1: love it and wait to talk about that. Rob Gronkowski retires.

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Speaker 1: Uh just checked his playoff numbers. They're just stupid. I

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Speaker 1: love Rob Gronkowski. I'm gonna miss Rob Gronkowski. There's a

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Speaker 1: chance for Rob Gronkowski comes back. But is he the

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Speaker 1: greatest tight end of all? Time in my lifetime, probably

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Speaker 1: have some thoughts on that. And then just I mean,

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Speaker 1: It is pretty nuts when you think about it like that.

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Speaker 1: But let's start with this weekend mark. March Madness lost

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Speaker 1: a little money, but you know, I still got some

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Speaker 1: futures on Gonzaga, Kentucky, Tennessee in Michigan State. Love the tournament,

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Speaker 1: love gambling on the tournament. March Madness has a coaches tournament, really,

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Speaker 1: I mean, especially now with the one and dones typically

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Speaker 1: so it's kind of like a country club. There must

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Speaker 1: have been thirty dudes watching the last I don't know,

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Speaker 1: five minutes of that game huddled around this TV in

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Speaker 1: the locker room. Duke. Duke moves the needle. The other

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Speaker 1: guy that kind of moved the needle. This weekend on

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Speaker 1: social media, which I thought was pretty laughable was Tomzzo.

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Speaker 1: Tomzzo lit into this star freshman, really lit into him,

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Speaker 1: and social media just freaked out, How is he allowed

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Speaker 1: to talk to the player like that? That would never

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Speaker 1: crowd that thought that that was over the top. I

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Speaker 1: I typically on social media you have to be very careful.

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Speaker 1: There is a small vocal minority that thinks one way.

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Speaker 1: No one I've ever met would go. You know what,

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Speaker 1: Saban that that wouldn't be a program conducive to success.

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Speaker 1: you interaction several years ago where Draymond threatened to beat

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Speaker 1: the greatest playoff non quarterback players ever. He played six

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Speaker 1: team games in his playoff career, so he basically played

427
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Speaker 1: one NFL regular season. He had eighty one catches over

428
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Speaker 1: eleven hundred yards and twelve touchdowns. I mean that that's

429
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Speaker 1: an all Pro season in itself. He played nine seasons,

430
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Speaker 1: went to five Super Bowls and won three. Like, his

431
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 1: career resume is just incredible. Again, five super Bowls in

432
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 1: nine seasons and one three with the number those playoff numbers,

433
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 1: add thirty targets, eighty one catches over eleven hundred yards

434
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Speaker 1: and twelve touchdowns, and you know the PC crowd, they

435
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 1: always got so bothered, like why is he not held

436
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 1: to the same standard as Cam Newton. I don't know,

437
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,880
Speaker 1: Because Cam Newton I watched him in the Super Bowl.

438
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: I literally was there and I had money against him

439
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: shift the bed and was got awful and then acted

440
00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:00,679
Speaker 1: like an idiot after. So Gronkowski came through in the

441
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: clutch every time, every single time, healthier, not because a

442
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 1: lot of times he wasn't healthy. He looked like Barry

443
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 1: Bonds with all the the armory ad on. He answered

444
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 1: the bell literally every time and played his best in

445
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 1: the biggest games. And in a day and age when

446
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 1: all these athletes talk about their brands and how much

447
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,360
Speaker 1: money they're gonna make, like the biggest knock on gronkles.

448
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: He liked to drink and party and really it was

449
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: just hanging out with his four brothers and his dad.

450
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 1: That's actually a party animal for an older guy. And

451
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: he he dated or I don't know, David might be

452
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: strong hung out with Bebe Jones like I'm sorry, I

453
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: think grons never been arrested. Was the ultimate teammate Tom

454
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 1: Tom loved him, Belichick loved him. Clearly was willing to

455
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Speaker 1: do whatever you ask. And that's the other thing the

456
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:50,640
Speaker 1: modern day athlete isn't big on, Like, hey man, instead

457
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 1: of uh, instead of running routes, I want you to

458
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 1: block instead of running the go route, I'm gonna want

459
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 1: you to run out routes. Instead of shooting threes, I'm

460
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 1: gonna want you just to rebound. They get very offended

461
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: because they all think their stars. Gronk was legitimately an

462
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 1: all pro star, and he would do whatever he was asked.

463
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: The Patriots would say jump and he would say how high?

464
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,199
Speaker 1: Like he did everything like he couldn't have been a

465
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Speaker 1: better teammate member of the Patriots. I'm just talking about

466
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Speaker 1: from a teammate perspective. Then when you factor him on

467
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,719
Speaker 1: on the actual field, how well he played. I mean,

468
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 1: he dominated in the biggest games, and he was just

469
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Speaker 1: one of the big personalities I think we've had in

470
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Speaker 1: the NFL in recent memory. It wasn't fake personality, wasn't

471
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 1: like Cam dressing up and acting funny but then not

472
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: getting it done in big moments, or like pounding the

473
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Speaker 1: table requesting a trade. Now you could argue, why would

474
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,880
Speaker 1: he request the trade. He's on the Patriots. He actually

475
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 1: bell and checked cold blooded as he is. Tried to

476
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: trade him last year and Gronk told the Lions, I'll quit,

477
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 1: I will not play, and he you know, he kind

478
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Speaker 1: of did a little player empowerment. And I don't blame Gronk,

479
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 1: And then he gave him a season where he couldn't

480
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: really catch the ball, but all he did was he

481
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: operated like one of the best officeive tackles in the league.

482
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 1: He dominated blocking, but again to me, the numbers that

483
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: really stand out, beside the All pros and everything, in

484
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 1: six team playoff games, so he basically played one regular season.

485
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 1: One regular season, he had eighty one catches, twelve touchdowns

486
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 1: in eleven hundred yards, and a lot of those games

487
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 1: he was banged up. He's the ultimate playoff player. I'd argue,

488
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 1: non quarterback, best playoff player I've ever seen would probably

489
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald, maybe Jerry Jerry Rice obviously right up there too.

490
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 1: Some of the early games in the eighties. I was

491
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: too young, but Larry Fitzgerald in the last couple of

492
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: decades is so damn good in the playoff. That's Gronkowski.

493
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: So the Patriots they can draft a guy, they can

494
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 1: end up signing Jared Cook, who as of right now,

495
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: they're trying to talk into, you know, backing out on

496
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: the Saints. Whether that will happen or not, I don't know,

497
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: but I think at the end of the day, this

498
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 1: is one of the great players we've ever seen, one

499
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Speaker 1: of the great teammates you've ever seen, one of the

500
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: great true champions we've ever seen. Like when you think

501
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: about this Patriot Corps starts with Brady, then it's Gronk,

502
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: then it's Edelman, then it's mccordy, then it's high Tower,

503
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: then it's Slater. Listen, I'm unbiased. I just like watching

504
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 1: the Patriots because they kick everyone. They're just dominant. They

505
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: kick ass and take names. They've owned the league for

506
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 1: the last decade. That core has been fun to watch.

507
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 1: All those guys, you know, kind of keep their mouth shut.

508
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 1: They don't talk that much. They're just kind of like

509
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: Belichick's little creations. I mean, Tom's got his own personality,

510
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: even Gronk, but when he's in the football bubble that

511
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: they are focused on one thing and one thing only,

512
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: and that's kicking the ship out of you. That's when

513
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: the game starts on Sunday. I'm gonna be better coached,

514
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be more into the game plan. I'm just

515
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 1: gonna be better than you. And when ship hits the

516
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: fan and the third and fourth quarter and you get tight,

517
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: I won't get tight. And Gronk is a great example.

518
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: Obviously Brady is the cream of the crop, but Gronk

519
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: and Edelman and the Anilman is not the level of

520
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 1: player Wronk, but that little trio, those three guys to

521
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,959
Speaker 1: go along with Belichick and the coaching staff just just

522
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: champions in every sense of the word. I mean, the

523
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: the ultimate type guys you would want to go to

524
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 1: war with on Sunday, like I New England and and

525
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: Patriot fans will realize this probably in twenty thirty years,

526
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: like how good they had it. Like to me, this

527
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 1: core has had a little more personality, a little more

528
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: juice than the first Core, which had to be cool,

529
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: I mean, first Super Bowl ever. But the Bruski, the Rabel,

530
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: I mean, those guys are cool and all. But this

531
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: to me, the Adelman Gronk has a little more flavor,

532
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,719
Speaker 1: a little more juice to it. You know, TV twelve

533
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: kind of gotten a little different as as time got on.

534
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: But those two guys and especially Rob, I mean you

535
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: could you could argue in a city that's produced Larry Bird,

536
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: Bill Russell, Tom Brady, he's one of the most unique

537
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: athletes in in one of the top sports cities in

538
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: American history. Just his personality is how clutchy was, how

539
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: nails he was, how tough he was, how good he was,

540
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: how unique he was. I mean he was like six

541
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: five to fifty to sixty that could run, had soft

542
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: butter hands and was an absolute killer. So I'm gonna

543
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: miss him. I'm not sure his career is over. I

544
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: feel pretty confident, but you never know, Like Tom might

545
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: get on the phone, he's clearly here's the other thing.

546
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: In a league full of like guys that love telling

547
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: you how smart they are, everyone's like, oh, just some

548
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: big idiot meat head. He clearly isn't that big of

549
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: an idiot. If he saved every dime he's ever made,

550
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: I give him some smart credit points on that one.

551
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: You know, I get Arizona's an easy school to go into,

552
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: and he's just meat head. He likes to lift well

553
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: in a league full of guys, the majority of them

554
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: to go broke. In pro sports in general, maybe Gronkowski

555
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: is a little smarter than you think. You don't become

556
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: that good of a teammate. You're not that revered by

557
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: Belichick and Brady if you're an idiot. I actually think

558
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: that's one of the more underrated arts of Gronk is

559
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,719
Speaker 1: probably how truly smart he was. He liked playing up

560
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: his role and he's kind of like a W W

561
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: E character. But I think when the dust settled and

562
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: he showed up to work every day, entering the bell

563
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: every day, never had one problem in the facility, not

564
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: one in a in a program that is so hard

565
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,479
Speaker 1: for so many people to just be able to handle

566
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: the pressure that comes with being a patriot. And that's

567
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: why I think his his core of guys, starting with

568
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: Brady Edelman, mccordy, high Tower, Slater in him like they

569
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: are just to me when I think patriots like I

570
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: just think it's like those four or five guys, And

571
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: that's why they got three championships in the last five years.

572
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: They've been to eighth straight a f C championships. And

573
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: I know he's gonna be gone, but to me, they're

574
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: the heavy favorite to win the a f C, UH

575
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: the a f C just in general again, especially if

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Speaker 1: he comes storing through those doors. I don't know. Mid December,

577
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: I'm back, Let's do it Championship. I'm gonna miss him.

578
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: I hope he comes back. Don't feel great about it,

579
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: but I hope you realize what a complete badass and

580
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: teammate and champion it Ever since the word Gronk was Yeah,

581
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: let's get into the middlecoff mail bag. Do it every

582
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: week here on the show, and you slide up in

583
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: my d M s at John Middlecoff, my Instagram handle,

584
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: also my Twitter handle and basically all my handles and

585
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: just slide up in those d ms. Asked me a question,

586
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: I'll answer it here. What do you think the chances are?

587
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: Here's a question on Gronk coming back after a year off.

588
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: I can see that becoming a trend in the NFL

589
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: and potentially even negotiable in a new CB. A. Uh,

590
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: that offseason is never enough to fully heal. Yeah, I

591
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I don't I think he legitimately

592
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: is just taking some time off like he wants to retire.

593
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: I don't think it's like it's just his body's kind

594
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: of given up on him, you know, And I think

595
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: it's just time for in his mind, he saved a

596
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: bunch of money, like we talked about, and he's just

597
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: ready to take some time away get his body back.

598
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: I really don't even think it's that crazy because we've

599
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: been talking about him retiring for a while and he

600
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: didn't look the same last year. He was shell of himself.

601
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: Might be strong, but he he wasn't the same old Gronk.

602
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: You know, peek all pro Gronk going to the Hall

603
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: of Fame, but he was still an elite blocker, and

604
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: I think it just comes down to the fact that

605
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to be a blocker. He wants more. Hey, John,

606
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: quick question. Do you see two of having success at

607
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: the NFL level? It seems like he was the talk

608
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: of the town after he came in a halftime. After

609
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: this year's performance, it seems like a lot of people

610
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: have bailed on to it and are now favoring Trevor

611
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,239
Speaker 1: Lawrence does too, would need another great playoff performance in

612
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: order to go within the top five picks. Now. I mean,

613
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: I think his tape is pretty damn good. I think

614
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: he's established himself as one of the better players you

615
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: know in the NFL or excuse me, college football through

616
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: those two years. He had a terrible what was that

617
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: uh SEC Championship game against Georgia when he was clearly

618
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: banged up. I don't think NFL evaluators will hold that

619
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: against him. If he comes back this season plays well,

620
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: I think he will compete to be a top ten pick.

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Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be he's gonna get nitpicked. Arm strength,

622
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: Is his arm good enough? How tall is he? How

623
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: big is he? The question is also gonna be his

624
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: level of comp Like, you know, it's his team was

625
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: so much better than everyone else. If that will hurt him, Uh,

626
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: he's gonna get nitpicked. But he's really accurate. He's just

627
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: kind of a rhythm pass or he's kind of like

628
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: a Russell Wilson meets Steve Young. Not as good as

629
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Speaker 1: those guys, but