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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to episode one hundred of the

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Speaker 1: Hammer Territory Podcast. I'm your host, Brad Roland, coming to

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Speaker 1: you on a Tuesday evening here in mid October, and

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Speaker 1: I am joined by not always Scott Coleman, but also

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Speaker 1: by Stephen Tolbert. We decided to kind of blow it

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Speaker 1: out on this Tuesday in three man fashion because it

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Speaker 1: is a landmark episode, so to speak. It's still at

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Speaker 1: austine An episode, but hey, three man for episode one hundred.

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Speaker 1: Welcome fellas.

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Speaker 2: Hey Brad, hope you and Steven are both doing well.

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Speaker 2: I think this is the first time on the show

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Speaker 2: the three of us have done a three man at

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Speaker 2: least since we moved over to Hammer Territory. We might

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Speaker 2: have done a three man back in the day on

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Speaker 2: Battery Power Talking Chop. One hundred episodes. Really cool and

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Speaker 2: glad to be on with you guys tonight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what's up, boys, It's it's a bit it's a

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Speaker 3: bit funny being on y'all's show.

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Speaker 1: You know, on camera.

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Speaker 3: No, let's right, Steven, Yeah, that's a whole other issue

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Speaker 3: that we're not going to talk about. But yeah, I've

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Speaker 3: listened to y'all. I mean, I've listened to this show

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Speaker 3: since twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, so it's still surreal. And

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Speaker 3: the fact that we've already done one hundred episodes is wild.

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Speaker 3: You know, the season always flies by, and one hundred

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Speaker 3: episodes has kind of flown by too. I know there's

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Speaker 3: four of us, so we kind of split it up.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it's crazy, but yeah, always good to be

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Speaker 3: with you guys.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and uh, obviously this is episode one hundred on

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Speaker 1: this feed. We joined up with the folks at Palid

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Speaker 1: Territory back in May, so one hundred episodes at about

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Speaker 1: five and a half months or so. But we are

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Speaker 1: proud to be at Palad Territory. Please subscribe to this

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Speaker 1: podcast Hammier Territory. Search it out wherever you find your podcast.

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Speaker 1: We are on Apple and Spotify, Amazon Music. We're also

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Speaker 1: on YouTube or again you can see all three of

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Speaker 1: us shining faces and one day, one day, folks, you

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Speaker 1: will see Sean Coleman in a HD. But today's podcast

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Speaker 1: is going to be not only the Landmark Hunter episode,

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Speaker 1: but we have a kind of beefy topic to get to,

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Speaker 1: I would say, and that was that's that's kind of

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Speaker 1: on purpose, and we kind of laugh because Scott teed

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Speaker 1: this up on Twitter when advertising the podcast we had

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Speaker 1: not yet recorded, and people were kind of going back

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Speaker 1: at a little bit about this. But it isn't necessarily

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Speaker 1: the only big topic of the winter by any means,

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Speaker 1: And it also is not the DH or the outfield

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Speaker 1: player review, because we'll be diving into individual player stuff

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Speaker 1: much more as we get into the winner. But look

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Speaker 1: the without a frame, it is the brace of a

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Speaker 1: DH conundrum. Basically, we've hinted at it on both of

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Speaker 1: our kind of sides of the aisle here Steven and

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Speaker 1: Seawan mean Scott, et cetera about it's not necessarily a

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Speaker 1: bad thing, but they have let's just say they have

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Speaker 1: multiple dhs on their roster right now. And then maybe

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Speaker 1: another wrinkle that we've got hit it at about Ronald Acunya.

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Speaker 1: So logistically, I guess Scott, I'll throw it to you, like,

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Speaker 1: why is this such a big topic? Because I have

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Speaker 1: a feeling that someone's gonna not thick about this very

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Speaker 1: clearly and just say, well, Marcel's do is the DH

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Speaker 1: of the Braves, So why is it a conundrum? And

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Speaker 1: I understand that response, but why is this a show

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, it really goes back to the

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Speaker 2: trade deadline in July when the Braves went out and

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Speaker 2: traded for Jorge Solaire, and at the time it was

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Speaker 1: They were going to have.

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Speaker 2: So Laire in the outfield, really in an attempt to

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Speaker 2: all know how much the team was struggling, especially in

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Speaker 2: those summer months. But now as we reach the off season,

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Speaker 2: we kind of hit part two of that where pretty

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Speaker 2: clearly after watching Jorge in right field for two months,

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Speaker 2: he is I mean, he's not an outfielder. He can

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Speaker 2: A pressing question for the front office and one we're

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Speaker 1: On Steve and I'll want to jump in here because, uh, basically, Ozuda,

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Speaker 1: that's essentially the worst ratio of any outfielder that played

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Speaker 1: So uh what I mean you kind of have three dhs?

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Speaker 3: two dhs is an understatement. They have effectively, especially next

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Speaker 3: see any planet where the Braves can take Solaire and

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Speaker 3: and he was a very you know, especially playing the outfield.

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Speaker 3: You know, he was very timid. It was not good

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Speaker 3: than he was able to because Azuna was on the roster.

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Speaker 3: Now now that you have Solaire on the roster, and

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Speaker 3: a Kunya coming back from another aco. I just don't

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Speaker 3: see a planet where the Braves can carry all three

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Speaker 3: the one year option that's gonna almost certainly be picked up.

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Speaker 3: Alex basically confirm that in their postseason press conference, and

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Speaker 3: then Solaire's got two years that pretty reasonable number left

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Speaker 3: but I I, in my opinion, I think you got

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Speaker 3: If you guys remember that press conference he gave when

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Speaker 3: a strong arm. He did it before. No, he was

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Speaker 3: he was miserably bad. And yeah, I just I don't

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Speaker 1: It was kind of shades of uh Ozuna. I remember

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Speaker 1: think Soilia is probably at that point now as well. Steve.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you kind of framed that way, because that's

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Speaker 1: kind of the overarching thing here, right is are they

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Speaker 1: It's not just the DH spot. You have to talk

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Speaker 1: it out there? Scott isn't as simple as that, do they?

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Speaker 1: exit interview call, but he acknowledged that, like they're not

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Speaker 1: gonna put a time table all Ronnie, at least publicly,

431
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Speaker 1: and nor should they. Probably it is probably safer to

432
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Speaker 1: not do that. But he's it's not he's saying right now,

433
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Speaker 1: Ronnie's playing an opening day like they're not planning on

434
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 1: That was publicly, So that's part of this. And just

435
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Speaker 1: to say the number out loud as well, Ronnie DHD

436
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,879
Speaker 1: twenty seven times in twenty twenty two. He was essentially

437
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,160
Speaker 1: dhing every other day for like I don't know, two

438
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,480
Speaker 1: months or so, six weeks, two months, Like he was

439
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 1: a at least part time DH till the summer that year,

440
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Speaker 1: and grant he got hurt a little bit later in

441
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Speaker 1: the cycle, all those things. But given that, I think

442
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 1: we all assume this now and said it. If anything,

443
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 1: he might recover slower. He's older. This is a second injury.

444
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Speaker 1: They they're also saying out loud Ronnie may not be,

445
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 1: but the team is the kind of preaching this, like

446
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Speaker 1: we're gonna take our time with Ronnie. They're not gonna

447
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,959
Speaker 1: push Ronnie hard, nor should they. He's, of course, a

448
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,960
Speaker 1: very very important piece of the long term future. While

449
00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,320
Speaker 1: everybody wants to win games in the short term, long

450
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,440
Speaker 1: term future is really important. He's still a young player,

451
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 1: he's on a coffee for a long time, et cetera,

452
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:09,400
Speaker 1: et cetera. But like I will be personally shocked if

453
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Speaker 1: he is ready to play the outfield every day in April,

454
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Speaker 1: like I through the outfold they in their purpose, Like

455
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Speaker 1: if he starts opening day, I won't be terribly shocked,

456
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Speaker 1: but I will be shocked if he's playing the outfield

457
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Speaker 1: every day starting on April first. And that again, creates

458
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Speaker 1: this interesting situation. And look, maybe I'll be wrong. I

459
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 1: think we're all rooting in the perfect world. Ronnie's playing

460
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Speaker 1: the outfield on April first, and everything's hunky dory and

461
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Speaker 1: we're all feeling great, right, But Scott' sport's a good one.

462
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Speaker 2: Though.

463
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Speaker 1: I do think that Scott Like brings uply a logical

464
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Speaker 1: point because I guess ideally Jorge Hilaire would have just

465
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Speaker 1: not been so bad of a fielder. Like if if

466
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Speaker 1: ye Hilaire was credible, not good, but credible in a

467
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 1: colorapfold spot, it'd be a lot easier to navigate this.

468
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Speaker 1: But he was so bad, and I don't, I don't.

469
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Speaker 1: It has made me feel good a pile aon. But

470
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Speaker 1: he was so bad that it made this a lot

471
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Speaker 1: more complicated because we all did it. But dating back

472
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Speaker 1: in the trade, whether we believed Alex or looked at

473
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Speaker 1: the numbers before he was a full time dach or whatever,

474
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Speaker 1: it was like, all right, this makes sense. I like

475
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Speaker 1: the deal. Jorge can stand out there and catch the ball.

476
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Speaker 1: But again, this is the the big domino is that

477
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Speaker 1: he was unplayed. He was genuinely unplayable. And Marcell can't

478
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Speaker 1: play there either, so it's like that was what really

479
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Speaker 1: can cuffs you when you throw in just the logistics

480
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Speaker 1: of all this.

481
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Speaker 3: So I have two thoughts. The first one is on

482
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Speaker 3: your point, on Brad's point about Marcelo Zuna's trade value.

483
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Speaker 3: If you just look at on the field relative to cost,

484
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Speaker 3: Marcelo Zuna definitely has positive trade value. Sure the problem.

485
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Speaker 3: The problem with Azuna is that you also have to

486
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Speaker 3: factor in an entire set of off the field stuff

487
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 3: that other teams are going to pr yeah, exactly, and

488
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 3: they have to sell it to their fans, have to

489
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Speaker 3: sell it to their season ticket holders, Like there is

490
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Speaker 3: a there's another side to a Zuna that complicates his

491
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Speaker 3: trade value to a level that other guys don't have

492
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Speaker 3: to worry about it. Like if it was just on

493
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 3: field production versus off the field cost, then Marcella Zuna

494
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 3: definitely has positive trade value, There's no question.

495
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Speaker 1: But yeah, he's much by the way he's to your point,

496
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 1: he's also the way he's also gave me a thirty

497
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: four year old DH only player on top of that,

498
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: like he's obviously been better than the contract the last

499
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 1: couple of years. But number one, you're one hundred percent

500
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 1: right there. Is a pr angle that I think Brad

501
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 1: spensive almost. I don't want to say they've forgotten about

502
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 1: and look, it's not the key is not on that

503
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Speaker 1: as much as it was a couple of years ago.

504
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 1: I'm not this is not a value of it by me.

505
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: I'm saying the attention on that has dimmed. That's just

506
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: the way miss. But if you're training him somewhere else,

507
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: it's a whole fresh round of stories from from another

508
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 1: fan base, another media market, and again that combined with

509
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: thirty four year old DH only player, that combination is

510
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Speaker 1: not great for his trade value.

511
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Speaker 3: Right exactly. So with him it's it's much more complex,

512
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 3: even though he's the better player and on the cheaper deal,

513
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Speaker 3: it's actually a much more complicated trade. So that's my

514
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Speaker 3: first point. My second point is, so Scott's point about

515
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 3: Ronnie's knee I think is the critical point. But in

516
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 3: my opinion, I think that is the critical point. So

517
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 3: what needs to happen is the roster needs more flexibility,

518
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 3: not less. So in a way, what I think is

519
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 3: if if Ronald's knee is this much of a question,

520
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:24,199
Speaker 3: and it certainly is, then you need to trade Jorge

521
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 3: Solaire even more, if nothing else, just to replace him

522
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 3: with somebody who can actually play the outfield, because you

523
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 3: don't know if Ronald's gonna be able to play on Opening,

524
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 3: you don't know if he's gonna be able to play

525
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 3: in April, May, June. You don't know. And because of that,

526
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 3: you need outfielders. And we got to stop treating Solaire

527
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 3: like he's an outfit. He's not an outfielder. And this

528
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 3: is why, you know, Scott and Sean and I remember

529
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Speaker 3: doing the show when when Jorge got traded, it was

530
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Speaker 3: on a left field because we were talking about outfielders

531
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Speaker 3: all all season long last year about you know, guys

532
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Speaker 3: that could potentially go get so Layer never came up

533
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 3: because not an outfielder, and Ronnie's knee makes it so

534
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 3: the in my opinion, the roster needs more flexibility, not less.

535
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Speaker 3: And I would be more inclined to trade both of

536
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Speaker 3: these guys before I would ever be inclined to not

537
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Speaker 3: trade either of them. I think there's a world where

538
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 3: you can make the argument that Ronald just needs to

539
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 3: be the full time DH and both of these guys

540
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 3: need to go, and you get way more, You get

541
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Speaker 3: way more roster flexibility. You can add some left handed,

542
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 3: you know, outfielders to your lineup, but you desperately need.

543
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 3: You can add some speed which you desperately need. Like

544
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Speaker 3: there's a whole argument. I don't know if we'll have

545
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 3: time to get into it in this show, but there's

546
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Speaker 3: a whole argument for getting rid of both of these

547
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 3: guys and being you know, twenty times more flexible with

548
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 3: your roster than you are when you have two full

549
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 3: time dhs.

550
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Speaker 1: It's the organizational thing like earlier. But there are some

551
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: teams that don't want to have full time DH. And

552
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: if they, yeah, they don't want to one of them. Yeah,

553
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: if they don't want to make Ronnie at full time DH,

554
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 1: which I had, I would understand. Like, Okay, let's say

555
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 1: in a vacuum they were able to just trade O

556
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: zoom in soul there and a staff of Not that easy,

557
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 1: but it is what it is. You could have Ronnie

558
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: Diage half the time, yeah, and rotate that spot like

559
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 1: that's what it seems.

560
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 3: Some teams like to do that, Like.

561
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: You use it to give guys days off or not

562
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: days off, but like a little bit you know, easier day.

563
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 1: All you have to do is hit. There's flexibility there

564
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: is that is that practical? Is it likely that they

565
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 1: would trade both of them this winter? I kind of

566
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: think not, but I tend to agree with you logistically,

567
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 1: and look, I'm gonna throw it to Scott. Part of

568
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: this question and conundrum that the store I keep using

569
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: is that they don't have even a second outfielder that

570
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 1: you like. Exactly if you remove Ronny, you're not removing Ronnie,

571
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 1: but like put ran into the side a little bit.

572
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 1: You have Michael Harris, Michael Harrison gonna start in center

573
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: field once he's hurt. We all understand that. But you know,

574
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: you have Jered Kelnick, who's under control for cheap, who

575
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: they invested in last winter and the trade at to

576
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 1: get him. He did not play very well this year.

577
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: He was okay at times, but also they clearly kind

578
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: of not give up on him, but he didn't play

579
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 1: really at all down the stretch like he went He

580
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: just kind of went away, And there's some utility there.

581
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: He's cheap, he'll be on the team, but that's not

582
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: a proven option. And then you have ramonl Loreano's on

583
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: our team control if they want a tenor in a contract.

584
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: But he was good in Atlanta. He was a reclamation

585
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: project that has some batted ball fortune. I would say,

586
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: good fortune in Atlanta. And then you have Adam Loans.

587
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: They don't have anybody else that you can rely on.

588
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,959
Speaker 1: Nobody wants Jerared Keelnick that I've talked to anyway, just

589
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: to be the opening day, full time starter in a

590
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: corner spot. So they also have this weird out situation where, yeah,

591
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: you'd love it if Ronnie and Harris were two thirds

592
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: of the outfield. But even then, going back to Sol

593
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: one more time, you don't have a third starting outfielder

594
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: as it is, even if you assume Ronnie is one

595
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: of the three, you don't have a third one. So

596
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: Scott like, how's that playing in this for you? Like,

597
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: it's that there's so many moving parts here on purpose

598
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: and some this is gonna be repeated every time we

599
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: talk about it, but man, it all folded on each other.

600
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 2: You talked about Kelnick. I think Kelnick is a valuable

601
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: piece to this roster because of the versatility that he has.

602
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,719
Speaker 2: He can play all three positions in the outfield, including centerfield.

603
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: Maybe he's not a.

604
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 2: Gold glover out there, but that's a real skill and Frankly,

605
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 2: if the Braves were to move on from Kelnick, they

606
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 2: would probably have to go out and add a fourth

607
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 2: outfielder similar to him anyway, So I think Kelnick is

608
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 2: is maybe not a virtual lock for the roster, but

609
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 2: I think he has a high probability of making it,

610
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 2: you know, talking this through, I think it's without the

611
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: luxury of being in the room with Alex and his

612
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 2: lieutenants at the trade deadline, if I had to guess,

613
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 2: clearly they were banking in thought that Jorg Solayer was

614
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: going to be a capable enough outfielder for twenty twenty five,

615
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 2: because that does give you some flexibility with Ronald's knee.

616
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: And then at the end of the season you move

617
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 2: on from Marcelo Zuna, and then you make Hoorge Solaire

618
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 2: your full time DH in twenty twenty six, in the

619
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Speaker 2: final year of his contract. The wrench in all of this,

620
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 2: of course, is that Jory Selaire is not an outfielder.

621
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: Well one more time he kept play defensive everybody.

622
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 2: So you know, and I did want to say quickly,

623
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Speaker 2: I mean, the thought of moving on from both Ozuna

624
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 2: and Solaire is both like it's kind of like mad

625
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 2: genius mad scientists a little bit. It would be some

626
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 2: serious overhaul of the roster. It would make presumably the

627
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 2: roster a lot younger, more athletic, more versatile.

628
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 3: Yes, but man to give up.

629
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Speaker 2: I don't if you had to ask me today October sixteenth,

630
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 2: As people will listen, I don't think they're going to

631
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 2: move on from Ozuna. But as we talk this through

632
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,239
Speaker 2: more and more, I don't see a world how they

633
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: can carry jorgeese Lair with basically his limitations being exactly

634
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 2: that of Marcelo Zuna. At this point, it's real hard

635
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 2: for me to get to a twenty six man roster

636
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 2: with Ozuna so Lair and a Ronda Kunya Junior, who

637
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 2: we just don't know what his knee is going to

638
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 2: look like.

639
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: So both of you said that, I think you're right

640
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: just to say this right now. Stephen live with that,

641
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: Scott's sound said it. We're on the same page. I

642
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: will just throw a little a little wrench. I'm not

643
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: saying I believe this, but like I'm trying to envision,

644
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: It's February twentieth and you get the leak about how

645
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: Horacezelaire's been in the lab. Defensively all went along, you

646
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like somebody's calling somebody's calling dB

647
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh man, so laire's been practice of defense.

648
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: All went along, they're gonna do this thing. Would would

649
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: I be shocked by that?

650
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 5: No?

651
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 3: Only just well just I think allowed the lab better

652
00:31:58,640 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 3: be the lab, better be a time.

653
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: No, I'm with you to be very clear, I would

654
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: not buy that leak. I just think that's something that

655
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: might happen at some point. But maybe it's because they

656
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: can't find a taker, like they can't find deal. Because

657
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: Alex does not like to be put in a box.

658
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: In my experience, I think he likes to be number one.

659
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: Nothing leaks out with him. That's a point of pride

660
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: for his organization. But I don't think he likes to

661
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: be forcing into things. I think he likes to be

662
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: proactive more than reactive. Even with the Freddy thing, like

663
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: that's the most famous example, like they basically went and

664
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: got mad Ulsa before Freddie even signed like that. He

665
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I'm not. You're not you're

666
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: not you're not doing this to me. I'm making a

667
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: move before you make a move. He likes to be

668
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: proactive and this is a hard spot to be proactive

669
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: because look, if you're another GM, they we're not. This

670
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: is not breaking ground, like we're we're not dumb people,

671
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: but like people can see the situation. Everybody kind of knows.

672
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: The Brakes have two and a half the ages right

673
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: now and they all have to play. They're all making

674
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: big money. It is what it is. But yeah, I mean,

675
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: if you don't, I think we all agree Ozuna is

676
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: not likely to be traded. Is that a fair statement

677
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: based on what we possibly could know on the outside.

678
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: He's got just have that. Now, granted we might this

679
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: is not intel. Maybe Alex has already decide he's gonna

680
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: trade Marcel and sell high, so to speak. I don't

681
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: know the answer to that. But with only what we

682
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: know publicly and what we've heard and makes logical sense,

683
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: it seems unlikely to be they're gonna trip that they're

684
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: gonna trade Marcel. So it just puts the spot like

685
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: squarely on Horiez Hilaire as a guy that like they

686
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,719
Speaker 1: kind of need to just move on from. And it's

687
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: not because he's not good at baseball. He can hit

688
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: like he's a real hitter. It's just that on this

689
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: roster with Marcel is like, is there a worse situation

690
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: for his orceler to being in the entire league? Like,

691
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: is there a player that's a pure DH that is

692
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: better than Marcel's Una? Like maybe, Like I guess Joan

693
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: is like the closest thing. Oh, I guess, show, I

694
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: guess show, Hey, what he's not pitching is the correct answer,

695
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: But show he could play, by the way, if show

696
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: he didn't pitch anymore, I'm pretty sure he'd be a

697
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: great outfielder.

698
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 3: I don't know why that. I don't know why they

699
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 3: don't have him play that. He's a he's an unbelievable

700
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 3: he's he's incredibly asked.

701
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: He's a great athlete. Anyway, that's a sidebar. But I mean,

702
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: if you're Horasse Hilaire, honestly, if I'm so, if I'm

703
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: Morris Hilaire's agent, at this point, he probably didn't mind

704
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: coming back to Atlanta. It's a better power park for

705
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: him than San Francisco. But man, you look up in

706
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: November and it's like, man, is this the good spot

707
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: for me? Like I don't think it is. Like, if

708
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 1: I'm miss Asian, I'm probably going to Alex. Like Alex

709
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: can we get out of here, just because if if

710
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: Marcel's on this team, he just can't have the everyday

711
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: role that you would want. He would be earning basically

712
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: anywhere else he would be.

713
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 3: Let me ask you guys this question. So trading both

714
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 3: of them is stuff that I think about, like, yeah,

715
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 3: that's that's not gonna happen.

716
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: To be clear, that's not people not saying that's going

717
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: to happen. It's just look, I love a sico idea.

718
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:46,959
Speaker 3: By the way, that's exactly what that That's a sick

719
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 3: idea that I thought about while driving today, Like you know,

720
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 3: they could get more left handed, they could get younger,

721
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 3: they could actually get a couple outfitters. That's not gonna happen.

722
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 3: They're almost really just gonna trade one of them. But

723
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 3: I will say this, like, if you told me, like

724
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 3: the Braids are gonna sign Michael Conforto, I'm just picking

725
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 3: a left handed outfielder who's an actual outfit You just

726
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 3: say the Braids are gonna sign Michael Conforto and Ronnie's

727
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 3: gonna dh and you know Michael's gonna play center. They're

728
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 3: gonna re sign Loreanno to play left and then Kelvinick's

729
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 3: gonna be your fourth outfielder and Ronnie's gonna DH. I

730
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 3: would love that team, like even if you took so

731
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 3: Laier and Azuna out of that equation, I would love

732
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 3: that team. I would love that team for a lot

733
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 3: more reasons than you know. It would be a very

734
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 3: different outfield. But I do think there is logic to it,

735
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 3: but it's it's it's more moving parts then I think

736
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 3: a GM wants to deal with in one offseason. I

737
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 3: think trading one of these guys is gonna be the move,

738
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 3: and just hoping that Ronnie can play. I think Loriano

739
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 3: and Kelnick will come back. Brad is right. You can't

740
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 3: have the DH conversation without also having the left field

741
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 3: conversation because they are intrinsically tied together, you know, especially

742
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 3: now that you know Solaire has been playing the outfield,

743
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 3: which again he's not He's not an outfitter. But this

744
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 3: is twelve time we've said that on this podcast. And

745
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 3: I don't mean to pile up, but that's how bad

746
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 3: he was, truly, actually historically bad.

747
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 1: I had one more thing to ask ask us on

748
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: this because I just thought of something and we talked

749
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 1: around it, But of the hypothetical where they trade Ozuna,

750
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's gonna happen if they traded Ozuna.

751
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: Could they could they say to themselves, we know we

752
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: had to dh Ronnie sometimes early in the season on

753
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: the days that Ronnie dhs. Can we play Hora so

754
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: Lair in right field thirty times next year? Not every day?

755
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: Not every day? But can you put him there only

756
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: when Ronnie DH's and when when Ryan needs? Is that

757
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: a viable solution? We just made fun of this defense

758
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: for thirty minutes. We know how bad it is. But

759
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: if you're Alex again, this is this is two steps

760
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: down the line. Is that credible? Like if you enter

761
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: the season with so Laer and Akunya on the team

762
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: and Ozona not on the team, can you play Horai

763
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:01,240
Speaker 1: in the outfield? A little?

764
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 5: Sure? Yeah?

765
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 2: I mean that they did it for two months and

766
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 2: there were some ugly moments. It's not ideal or preferable,

767
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 2: but yes, I mean corner outfield is one of the

768
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 2: places you can probably hide a player on a baseball diamond,

769
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 2: even if there's still like every other night situation. But

770
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 2: could you in this scenario, and and to be clear,

771
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 2: my stands, I think they trade still there. I don't

772
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 2: think they're going to trade Ozuna.

773
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: I also agree with that.

774
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, tonight, the whole reason for this

775
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 2: podcast tonight was to talk through, presumably the same conversations

776
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 2: that Alex and his team are talking about, because I think, frankly,

777
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 2: because of the complexity of the DH at the outfield spot,

778
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 2: every option needs to at least be on the table

779
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 2: and you just kind of see what shakes out and

780
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: what makes the most sense at.

781
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: The end of the day. Well, and by the way,

782
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: just to say that allowed Marcel did not play a

783
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: single inning of the outfield in twenty twenty four. He

784
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: played fourteen total innings in twenty twenty three, so he's

785
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: in two years, he's played fourteen innings of left field.

786
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: So as bad as Solaire is defensively, they think Ozuna

787
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: is worse. So I sometimes every once in a while

788
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: I will see mostly before Solair came in, but we'll

789
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: get the question, guys, can they ever put Ozuna back

790
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: in the outfield? The actions over words from the Braves

791
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: is basically they think the answer is no, based in

792
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,479
Speaker 1: the last two years, Like that's why I'm not bringing

793
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: that up because I mean, yeah, you could maybe say, Okay, Bro,

794
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: you just brought the Solaire situation, why can't you just

795
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: put Marcel on the outfield for twenty games while Ronnie dhs.

796
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,879
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna tell you that's impossible. But man, they

797
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: have shown that they just do not want to play

798
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: Marcel in the outfield, like over and over and over again.

799
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: They'll play guys who were should be in Triple A

800
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: before they'll put was Marcell in lefield in the last

801
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: two years.

802
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'll say this. I think it's fair to

803
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 3: say the least flexible situation is to keep both of them.

804
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 3: That's the least flexible situation. I think the second yeah, yeah,

805
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 3: and again I in my opinion, you can't. You just

806
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 3: there's no world you can do that. But we'll see

807
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 3: what happens. But I think the second most are. The

808
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 3: second least flexible situation is if you keep Ozuna and

809
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 3: trade Solaire, because like you just said, Brad, you can,

810
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 3: at least internally, I think they think Solara can at

811
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 3: least passibly play the outfield for twenty thirty games. I

812
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 3: don't believe they think that with Ozuna.

813
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: So if you keep fascinating, it'll be fascinations. Because if

814
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: they decided that Ronnie, Okay, we don't know this now,

815
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 1: but on April fifteenth, their doctor says, Okay, Ronnie should

816
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 1: not be playing the outfield every day, but he can

817
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: d h.

818
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 2: No.

819
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 1: If you're Brian Sticker and Oxythopolis, you have to sit

820
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: there and think, Man, I have to now sit Marcelo

821
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: Zuna every time I date around Lacunya, and Marcelo Zuna

822
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: might be their third best hitter, like it might be

823
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: a best hitterer. I what was bestator of this year?

824
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, Like that's a sad

825
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: spot to be in.

826
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 3: That scenario is the best argument for trading Ozuna honestly because.

827
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,280
Speaker 1: And that's what that's kind of what I think, because

828
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,479
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're gonna do it, but that's three.

829
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:26,280
Speaker 1: I think Ozuna is the guy who has zero flexibility,

830
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: that has Sola, has very little to be there. Like

831
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: I think they honestly would prefer to play Marcel if

832
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: you had to play defense at first base, but you

833
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: have Mitt Olsen who is not gonna come off the

834
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: field either. So ever, like Matt Olson plays every single

835
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 1: day without fail. So we we talked arooun it in circles.

836
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, one of the reason I keep coming back

837
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: to Maybele's considering trading Marcel is because there's just no

838
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 1: flexibility there at all. And if you get to April

839
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: and they don't they probably don't know this now, but

840
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: if you get to April, I think it's a real

841
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: possibility that a doctor or the team and they just like, Okay,

842
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 1: we want to play Ronnie. He's ready to hit, he

843
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: isn't ready to field. Every day you are in a

844
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: bad spot, you just are like because if you can't

845
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: maybe or maybe it's literally you kind of laugh and say,

846
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: all right, Marcel, go get them in left field ten

847
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: times and they just eat it. And I wouldn't I

848
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't mind that if we get that for it. Let's

849
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: say a traded so layer already, and it's the options

850
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: are play more Sell on left field or not play

851
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: Morsel at all. You kind of have to play them

852
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: on left field, which is crazy after two years, but

853
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 1: like and we're I know, we're down the rabbit hole now,

854
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: but like that is a practical situation that could happen,

855
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: like very very practically at six months.

856
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it very much is the great unknown.

857
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 2: And you know, one one item I just popped in

858
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 2: my head. I was trying to research it as we

859
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 2: were talking. And again, I think we're all in agreement

860
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 2: that the likelihood of so Layer getting traded is higher

861
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 2: than that of Ozuna. But uh, are ten and five

862
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 2: rights still a thing in Major League Baseball? Because if

863
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 2: they are, and I think so, Marcel has been with

864
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 2: the Braves for five years and he has eleven years

865
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 2: of service to The one possible wrinkle I don't know

866
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 2: is if twenty twenty counted for one full year of

867
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 2: service time it like it did Steven. Yeah, So I

868
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 2: believe without fact checking this with the league, I think

869
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 2: Marcel has ten and five no trade rights, which for

870
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 2: listeners who don't know, that's ten years in the league,

871
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 2: five years consecutively with one team. So he could veto

872
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 2: a trade on the chance that the Braves do try

873
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 2: to move him instead of so Layer.

874
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 3: That's ines I did not think.

875
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: I think you're right. I'm looking as now as we're

876
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: talking too. I think I think he actually, yeah, I would.

877
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 3: Now if he's at, if he's at, if he's I

878
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 3: didn't realize he's been on the brit Yeah, because I

879
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 3: guess his first year was twenty twenty.

880
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: Was your that was your five? He just finished with

881
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: the bridge. I think that's a point that I'd not

882
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: seen anybody make. And I think you are right based

883
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: on what I'm looking at right now.

884
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, he should he will now that just because he

885
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 3: has a note obviously, or I guess the fans don't

886
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 3: know if once you get to ten to five you

887
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 3: get on automatic uh no trade clause you get you

888
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 3: have to approve any trade that's made. Now. Just because

889
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 3: he's got it doesn't mean he wouldn't approve a trade

890
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 3: somewhere else. I will say that. But yes, if Scott

891
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 3: is right, and I believe he is.

892
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: I think he is too.

893
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, then that is another wrinkle that they would have

894
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 3: to consider.

895
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: Boy, that's uh. As a sidebar, Can you imagine what

896
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: a faster after all of what it was in after

897
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 1: the whole it was in Saga from three and four

898
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: years ago? How and then he comes back and has

899
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: two great years and then Alex is trying to trade

900
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: him and he's like, no, all said here.

901
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 3: Now, let me let me ask you guys this. And

902
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 3: I know we've gone crazy long here. But this is

903
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 3: such a fascinating situation to me. If you know that,

904
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 3: and you know that you're because of his off field stuff,

905
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 3: you're probably not gonna get a ton back in trade.

906
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 3: Is there a world were you decline the option?

907
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: No? I mean, oh, I don't think so, because what

908
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: do you what are you realistically going to trade him for? No?

909
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: We we we have we have already seen that, Alex.

910
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 3: Uh I can you imagine if they decline that option?

911
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 1: Holy, I was gonna say, we've already seen that. Alex

912
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: was not the most candid about the coaching staff when

913
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: they said that everyone was coming back and then they

914
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: did not bring for you guys back. But he did

915
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 1: say on that call, just to say this out loud,

916
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: he did say that guys with the options are coming back.

917
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: It was Marcel and Travis and I just looked on

918
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 1: the third one. Who's the third bomber who we defended

919
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: when that happened. Okay, anyway, it's late, it's late night here.

920
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, man, I I can't imagine them doing that.

921
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: I think that they would almost look, if it was

922
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 1: thirty million, it wouldn't be a no brainer, but fIF

923
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: at sixteen, like even if they had that exact thought

924
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 1: that Steve would just put out there, they still would

925
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: probably pick it up because of me.

926
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 3: The optics would be brutal.

927
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: The optics also the fact that like Ozuna might be

928
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 1: worth sixteen million even if he's the worst defensive fielder

929
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: in the league, if he's hitting like he was this year,

930
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like he just becomes like

931
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: one of those Phillies archetype joking things of like you

932
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: just have a DH out there murdering your defense, but

933
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: he hits forty home runs. No one cares, like it's

934
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. I don't know this. We're that's

935
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: a crazy one. But the ten to five thing is

936
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: actually notable for trades.

937
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 3: No, that's a very. That's a very, and it makes.

938
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: It even less likely. So we'll kind of wrap it

939
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: up starting now, I guess. But we are all in agreement.

940
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: We've said it multiple times that Ozuna seems like he

941
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: is less likely to be traded than so Layer we also,

942
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: please at interjected, you disagree with anything I'm about to say. Guys,

943
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 1: we also agree it seems like that we don't believe

944
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: that it's tenable to have Ozuna, and so Layer on

945
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: the team.

946
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, agreement, Yeah, I would agree it just man, it's

947
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 2: just could they do it? Yes, but dear God, the

948
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 2: defense and it just gets so messy. Without knowing what

949
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 2: Ronald's knee.

950
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: Is going to be like in six would be so

951
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: much it'd be so much easier.

952
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 3: If I do, I do want to make what I do.

953
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 3: Want to make one point that Alex brought up in

954
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 3: the postgame pressure, because I think this is how they

955
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 3: would spin it if they did that, Alex. What Alex

956
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 3: said in the postgame pressure was the point of the

957
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,720
Speaker 3: defense is to serve the pitching staff and to serve

958
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 3: the prevented runs column. And the Braves were like number

959
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 3: one or number two in baseball and prevented runs. Sure,

960
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 3: And so Alex would say, even with so Layer's terrible defense,

961
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 3: our prevented runs column was plenty strong enough to win

962
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:54,720
Speaker 3: a World Series. So if they were gonna make that argument,

963
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 3: I think that's how they would make it. They would say, listen,

964
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 3: even with him on right field for forty games last year,

965
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 3: we had the second best era in baseball. Our prevented

966
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 3: runs column was plenty good enough, and we think we

967
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 3: can do it again. I don't agree with it. But

968
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 3: if I was gonna make the case, if they were

969
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 3: gonna make that case, I think that's how they would

970
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 3: make it.

971
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: I agree, And maybe there is a world where they

972
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: do it. For sure, no one, as much as we

973
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: just said, we don't think it's going to happen. None

974
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: of the three of us have said that there is

975
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: no chance that's happening. They can bring everybody back if

976
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: they want to. It's just that the defense is going

977
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: to be what it is if that happens. If Ronnie

978
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: was I actually would like to be interested to see

979
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 1: if what would happen if Ronnie hadn't gotten hurt. Now

980
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: they wouldn't have traded for sol there anyway. But just

981
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: work with me for a second. If Ronnie was one

982
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: hundred percent healthy, it's a lot easier. It just is

983
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: because then you know he can play right field every day,

984
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: that's not a concern, and then you're figuring out left

985
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: field and DH that's kind of it's what you're dealing with.

986
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: The fact that it's three spots leads us to the

987
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: US doing an hour long podcast about it. That's what

988
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: kind of adds the and the third and fourth later

989
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: to this whole thing, and the fact they don't have

990
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: a third outfielder that that they trust. Like all these

991
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: things qualify each other. But I'll be fascinated. I mean,

992
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: the intel sizs be interesting. They don't leak, they really don't.

993
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: Their braves do a great job not leaking things. I

994
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: would love to know what they're thinking right now. We

995
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: don't at the moment, nor do we have your reporting

996
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: so far. It's still very early recording this before the

997
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 1: worse he's even started. But uh, we'll have wall have

998
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: an eye on it.

999
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 3: But I.

1000
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: Hori Solaire in left field and sorry in redfield. I

1001
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: can't stop picking. I can't I gut stop thinking about it. Guys,

1002
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: you can't stop thinking about upstanding out there again. But

1003
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: uh and uh yeah, April April tenth, Ozuna dhing Solaire

1004
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: in one corner and Ronnie with a giant knee brace

1005
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: in the other corner, and Michael Harris weeping concentered.

1006
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 3: Michael Harris has got a picket sign in his back

1007
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 3: pocket because he's.

1008
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 1: Uh anything else to add, Fellas before we sign off.

1009
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: We we've dide a pretty good job. I think of

1010
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: giving up even the crazy scenarios and the nuanced scenarios.

1011
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: We will do more on the individual players later on,

1012
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,439
Speaker 1: just again one more time, Like we'll do a deeper

1013
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: dive one Kilnick on Loreano as he is, that's a

1014
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: decision I have to make too, like we would a

1015
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: tender him. They probably will. I think we'll see on

1016
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: on Solaire, on Ozuna, on Ronnie, Like, well, we'll do

1017
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 1: some deeper dives on the players themselves, but this whole

1018
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: situation is kind of a good primer for that, and

1019
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: uh and for the whole of season, because yeah, they

1020
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,280
Speaker 1: have other issues too. Short stops an issue, of course,

1021
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: started pitching is always an issue, et cetera. But this

1022
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 1: is one where it's a it's a pressing decision they

1023
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 1: have to make.

1024
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'll say, and we we kind of

1025
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 2: mentioned this off the top, but going into tonight's show

1026
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 2: and we were promoting it, we said, this is arguably

1027
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 2: the biggest decision for the Braves this winter, and we

1028
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 2: got some pushback, and I think it's very valid to

1029
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 2: say that shortstop is just as big of a question.

1030
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: But short stops an easy fix, right, Like you love

1031
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: you love Arcia, You're an Arcia guy. Anyway, Scott, it's.

1032
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 2: A one for one, right, Either either you go out

1033
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 2: and add a shortstop who's better than Orlando, or you

1034
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 2: try to run it back with kind of the goal

1035
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 2: of this past season, where he's going to bat ninth

1036
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 2: and you have eight really good, healthy hitters ahead of

1037
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 2: him and you don't care. Shortstop is pretty straightforward. I

1038
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 2: think starting rotation is relatively straightforward, although there is a

1039
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 2: question of Spencer Strider. But clearly, as we've talked about

1040
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,879
Speaker 2: for the last fifty minutes on the show, there are many, many,

1041
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,919
Speaker 2: many considerations with the outfield and DH and as Steven said,

1042
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 2: they are basically intertwined. You can't really fix one without

1043
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 2: addressing the other. It really is a enormous decision ahead

1044
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 2: for the front office, and we did kind of want

1045
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 2: to talk through it tonight and spitball every possible outcome

1046
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:46,839
Speaker 2: that could happen in the next few months.

1047
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean shortstop is a closed loop, like either

1048
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 3: they get somebody else to play or who plays, or

1049
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,959
Speaker 3: they don't. Yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't have any like this.

1050
00:50:55,960 --> 00:51:00,240
Speaker 3: This decision has ripple effects throughout the entire roster. Yeah,

1051
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 3: And I do think starting pitching is a little more

1052
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:06,240
Speaker 3: interesting because ye're almost certainly losing Max, almost certainly losing Morton,

1053
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 3: Strider's coming back from injury, sales thirty six. You got

1054
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,800
Speaker 3: a rookie, you got a converted reliever. I think I

1055
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 3: think starting pitching honestly might sneak up to be number

1056
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,479
Speaker 3: one at some point. But that's a whole nother show.

1057
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 3: But Yeah, this is This is a fascinating topic. Like

1058
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 3: I didn't actually even realize how fascinating this was until

1059
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 3: we got into it. There's just so many permeuentations of

1060
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 3: what they could do, and I can make arguments for

1061
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 3: just about it. I can't make an argument for keeping

1062
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 3: both I don't think are not a very good one,

1063
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,280
Speaker 3: but I can make an argument for just about everything

1064
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 3: else they would decide to do. Yeah, this is that.

1065
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 3: This is a this is a fascinating situation. Over the

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Speaker 3: next three months.

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Speaker 1: Well, ellis, we've done a decent job I think bringing

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Speaker 1: this thing down, and we'll have much more on it

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Speaker 1: and everything else. But this is one that we were

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Speaker 1: always going to do. I think we even teased it

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Speaker 1: out on a previous show, like it was always gonna

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Speaker 1: be a DH centric episode. But it's outfitting that we

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Speaker 1: could go a little bit deeper, a little bit longer

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Speaker 1: with the three of us on this episode one hundred, Yes,

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Speaker 1: Episode one hundred. We definitely appreciate everyone being here throughout

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Speaker 1: the process, especially you know, tonight, but even beyond this,

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Speaker 1: Please tell your friends about the podcast. We say this

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Speaker 1: all the time, but we do not go dark in

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Speaker 1: the winter the way that some might covering the brapes.

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Speaker 1: We go all year long. Every week there will be

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Speaker 1: content fifty two weeks a year. Stay tuned for all

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Speaker 1: of that. Thanks to Stephen for being here and enjoying

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Speaker 1: the crush of the party with me and Scott in

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Speaker 1: this three man fashion. Thanks to Scott for always being

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Speaker 1: here with me, keeping me online as I often fly

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Speaker 1: off the rails and talk too much, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: But please subscribe to the podcast, follow social media Amma Territory.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you all next time.