Speaker 1: Welcome to Criminalia, a production of Shonda land audio in
Speaker 1: partnership with I heart radiom. Ezra pound was an American
Speaker 1: expat poet and intellectual who was a major figure of
Speaker 1: the modernist literary movement in the Early To mid twentieth century.
Speaker 1: He was also a fascist collaborator and anti semi who
Speaker 1: was arrested for treason against the United States where his
Speaker 1: radio broadcasts during the Second World War. Welcome to Criminalia.
Speaker 1: I'm Maria Tremarqui and I'm holly FRY. Ezra Weston loomas
Speaker 1: pound was born on October in the small town of Hailey, Idaho.
Speaker 1: He was the only child of homer loomas pound, of
Speaker 1: Federal Land Office official, and Isabel Weston. When Ezra was
Speaker 1: only a few years old, the family moved east and
Speaker 1: in June of eighteen eighty nine, following homer's appointment to
Speaker 1: the United States Mint in Philadelphia, they settled in nearby Wincote, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: It said that Ezra was eleven when he published his
Speaker 1: first poem, Elmer. At the age of fifteen he told
Speaker 1: his parents he wanted to be a poet. Ezra attended
Speaker 1: Cheltenham Military Academy just outside Philadelphia. He went on to
Speaker 1: attend the University of Pennsylvania for two years, from nineteen
Speaker 1: o one to nineteen o three, and it's there where
Speaker 1: he met the now famous poet William Carlos Williams, who
Speaker 1: became a lifelong friend. He graduated with a degree in
Speaker 1: philosophy from Hamilton College in Clinton, New York in nineteen
Speaker 1: o five, the four returning to the University of Pennsylvania
Speaker 1: for Graduate School. He immersed himself in English literature and
Speaker 1: Grammar and studied Latin Greek, French, Italian, German Spanish. He
Speaker 1: received his masters in June of nineteen O six, but
Speaker 1: withdrew from the university while working towards his doctorate. At
Speaker 1: the start of the academic year of nineteen o seven,
Speaker 1: pound began work as a professor of Romance Languages at
Speaker 1: Wabash Presbyterian College in Crawfordsville, Indiana. It's widely described that
Speaker 1: Ezra had begun to affect a quote, Bohemian manner by
Speaker 1: this time. The details of what exactly that meant are
Speaker 1: not clear, but it is clear that his career in
Speaker 1: academia didn't fit with his art and his lifestyle and
Speaker 1: his work as a professor came to an end not
Speaker 1: long after it began. Another version of this story suggests
Speaker 1: that he lost his position after six months, after having
Speaker 1: been accused of hosting a woman in his room overnight.
Speaker 1: Other versions of this story suggests he just wasn't what
Speaker 1: they were looking for. But in February of Nineteen O eight,
Speaker 1: with eighty dollars in his pocket and the manuscript of
Speaker 1: a book of poems that had been rejected by at
Speaker 1: least one American publisher, he set off for Europe. When
Speaker 1: pound arrived in London, he taught, lectured and published reviews.
Speaker 1: That same year he self published his first book, a
Speaker 1: collection of poems and titled a Loom Spento, translated by pound.
Speaker 1: As with tapers quenched, he would go on to have
Speaker 1: more than seventy books published in his lifetime. In nineteen
Speaker 1: o nine, pound found the success as a writer that
Speaker 1: he had been hoping for. He published three books. Personni
Speaker 1: in nineteen o nine, exultations, also in nineteen o nine,
Speaker 1: and in the spirit of romance, this last one a
Speaker 1: book of critical essays based on lectures he had given
Speaker 1: during his early days in London. wrote one reviewer. Quote
Speaker 1: pound is that rare thing among modern poets, a scholar.
Speaker 1: He was an American poet and critic, but pound had
Speaker 1: no trouble finding work overseas. He became a foreign editor
Speaker 1: of a handful of American literary magazines. In London. He
Speaker 1: became friends with other influential writers and critics of the time,
Speaker 1: including w Yates Ford, madox Ford, Percy Wyndham, Lewis and
Speaker 1: James Joyce. He promoted and also occasionally edited the works
Speaker 1: of many now famous poets and novelists, including Yates, Joyce
Speaker 1: and Ernest Hemingway, Robert Frost and D H Lawrence. It's
Speaker 1: pounds revisions, guidance and heavy handed editing that shaped t
Speaker 1: s Eliot's famous poem the waste land, which is regarded
Speaker 1: today as one of the most important poems of the
Speaker 1: twentieth century. Pound basically became involved in a whole lot
Speaker 1: of literary activities. He was also co editor of blast,
Speaker 1: the short lived literary magazine of a London based modernist
Speaker 1: art movement known as Vorticism. Only two issues were published
Speaker 1: before that magazine folded, though. He was the London editor
Speaker 1: of the American Literary magazine Little Review and a Paris
Speaker 1: correspondent for transcendentalist magazine the dial. He wrote numerous reviews
Speaker 1: for a variety of publications, including new age magazine inspired
Speaker 1: by British Socialist Organization called the Fabian Society, the EGOIST,
Speaker 1: which was a London literary magazine that claimed to quote
Speaker 1: recognize no taboos, and Poetry magazine. His friend and fellow poet,
Speaker 1: T s Eliot would later note, of pound quote. During
Speaker 1: a crucial decade in the history of modern literature, approximately
Speaker 1: nineteen twelve to nineteen two, pound was the most influential
Speaker 1: and in some ways the best critic in England or America.
Speaker 1: Ezra also continued to publish collections of his own poetry,
Speaker 1: including Lustra, which came out in nineteen sixteen, and homage
Speaker 1: to sextus Propertius in nineteen nineteen. In nineteen twenty he
Speaker 1: published the poem Hugh Selwyn Mobberly, which is considered a
Speaker 1: turning point in his writing career. But it was in
Speaker 1: nineteen fourteen when Ezra moved to Rapolo, Italy, where he
Speaker 1: began writing the now famous poem the Kantos. For nearly
Speaker 1: fifty years he focused on this encyclopedic narrative poem. It
Speaker 1: is comprised of a hundred and sixteen sections, each of
Speaker 1: which is a canto. In addition to the famous Kantos,
Speaker 1: pound is best known for advancing a modernist movement in
Speaker 1: English and American literature, a movement that he and others
Speaker 1: called Imagism, which signaled a new literary direction in poetry.
Speaker 1: The core idea of this movement was to stress clarity,
Speaker 1: precision and economy of language in writing and to shed
Speaker 1: the sentiment and narrative that had shaped Victorian and romantic poetry.
Speaker 1: Writers were encouraged to forego traditional rhyme and meter in
Speaker 1: order to in pounds words, quote, compose in the sequence
Speaker 1: of the musical phrase, not in the sequence of the metronome.
Speaker 1: His challenge to other artists was to quote, make it new.
Speaker 1: Part of his direction consisted of maxims, including quote. Do
Speaker 1: Not Retell in mediocre verse what has already been done
Speaker 1: in good prose and quote. Use No superfluous word, no
Speaker 1: adjective which does not reveal something. Imagesn't reflected similar changes
Speaker 1: happening in other art forms at the time, most notably
Speaker 1: with painting and the cubist movement. Pound may have been
Speaker 1: the leader of a literary movement, but it's reported he
Speaker 1: became quite frustrated he couldn't have total control over it.
Speaker 1: We are going to take a break for a word
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Speaker 1: another side of Ezra pound to talk about. Welcome back
Speaker 1: to Criminalia. Brace yourselves. The side of Ezra pound we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about now is a side of hate
Speaker 1: and ignorance, and it's what got him charged with treason.
Speaker 1: You already have guessed as much, but heads up, we're
Speaker 1: talking about some pretty volatile hate speech in this segment.
Speaker 1: There is no denying Ezra pound's influence on American poetry,
Speaker 1: but there is also no denying that Ezra pound was
Speaker 1: a fascist and an anti semi and by the time
Speaker 1: the Second World War began, he had grown to blame
Speaker 1: the practice of usury, which he believed to be propagated
Speaker 1: by a secret network of Jewish bankers, for all of
Speaker 1: the evils afflicting the world. He strongly supported Benito Mussolini,
Speaker 1: who he believed shared his economic views, and held private
Speaker 1: audiences with the dictator during the war. He delivered pro
Speaker 1: axis and Anti Jewish broadcasts four times a week between
Speaker 1: nineteen and nine on shortwave radio aimed at America to
Speaker 1: improve American sympathy for Italian fascism. In January nine. At
Speaker 1: that time Italy had joined the war were but the
Speaker 1: United States wouldn't. Until December that year, his calling card
Speaker 1: quote Europe, calling pound, speaking as a pound speaking came
Speaker 1: over the airwaves. Pound recorded more than one hundred shortwave
Speaker 1: broadcasts from Rome, each criticizing United States President Franklin, D Roosevelt,
Speaker 1: Roosevelt's family and the Jewish community. Pound warned the white
Speaker 1: race was, quote, going towards total extinction. In one show,
Speaker 1: he suggested hanging President Roosevelt, adding, quote, if you can
Speaker 1: do it by do legal process. He praised Hitler's mind
Speaker 1: COMP and urged his listeners to familiarize themselves with the
Speaker 1: Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a widely distributed fabricated
Speaker 1: anti Semitic text describing a Jewish plan for global domination.
Speaker 1: He collaborated with Mussolini's fascist regime and he often parroted
Speaker 1: fascist propaganda talking points on his show. Pound was paid
Speaker 1: for his services urging America to stay out of the war.
Speaker 1: Shortly after the attack on Pearl Harbor, which is when
Speaker 1: the United States did enter the war. He stated on
Speaker 1: his show quote, America could have stayed out of the war.
Speaker 1: If America had stayed neutral, the war would now be over.
Speaker 1: For the United States to be making war on Italy
Speaker 1: and on Europe is just plain damn nonsense, and for
Speaker 1: this state of things, Franklin Roosevelt is, more than any other,
Speaker 1: one man responsible. The broadcasts were transcribed by a United
Speaker 1: States Foreign Broadcast Monitoring Service listening station. Those transcriptions directly
Speaker 1: led to his post war arrest in nine for treason.
Speaker 1: It was in nineteen forty three when United States Attorney
Speaker 1: General Francis Fiddle indicted pound and absentia for treason against
Speaker 1: the United States. Treason is the only crime to find
Speaker 1: in the United States Constitution, as we've talked about earlier
Speaker 1: this season more than once, and it reads us. So
Speaker 1: I'm going to remind us all. Treason against the United
Speaker 1: States shall consist only in levying war against them or
Speaker 1: in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.
Speaker 1: No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the
Speaker 1: testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act or
Speaker 1: on confession in open court. So there it is, and
Speaker 1: we can move along. Pound answered the charge by writing
Speaker 1: a letter to biddle, and we quote. I do not
Speaker 1: believe that the simple fact of speaking over the radio
Speaker 1: can in itself constitute treason. I think that must depend
Speaker 1: on what is said. I obtained the concession to speak
Speaker 1: over Rome radio with the following proviso, namely that nothing
Speaker 1: should be asked to me contrary to my conscience or
Speaker 1: contrary to my duties as an American citizen. I have
Speaker 1: not spoken with regard to the SWAR, but in protest
Speaker 1: against a system which creates one more after another. I
Speaker 1: have not spoken to the troops and have not suggested
Speaker 1: that the troops should mutiny or revolt. Pound was arrested
Speaker 1: in Genoa, Italy, by the United States Army. The FBI
Speaker 1: searched the residents where pound had been living when he
Speaker 1: was arrested and removed more than seven thousand articles, letters
Speaker 1: and other documents that were classified and then used as
Speaker 1: evidence against him. Some versions of his arrest story suggest
Speaker 1: he turned himself into American military officials, or maybe it
Speaker 1: was that he went to Italian authorities to tell them
Speaker 1: he had heard they were looking for him. Either way,
Speaker 1: pound was arrested and two weeks after Nazi Germany surrendered
Speaker 1: to the Allies. He was brought to the United States
Speaker 1: Army Disciplinary Training Center north of Pisa, Italy. He would
Speaker 1: be returned to the United States to sand trial, but
Speaker 1: that would come later. We are going to take a
Speaker 1: break here for a word from our sponsor, and when
Speaker 1: we return we're going to talk about treason and the
Speaker 1: insanity defense. Welcome back to Criminalia. Let's talk about pounds trial,
Speaker 1: and it may not be what you're expecting. In Pisa,
Speaker 1: pound was placed in what we're known as the quote,
Speaker 1: death cells, which were a series of six by six
Speaker 1: FT outdoor steal cages lit by floodlights. It's reported that
Speaker 1: engineers reinforced pounds cage with heavier steal than usual just
Speaker 1: to keep out anyone trying to rescue him. During his
Speaker 1: time there, he spent three weeks in isolation, sleeping on
Speaker 1: the concrete. He was denied exercise and communication, except for
Speaker 1: talks with a chaplain. After two and a half weeks,
Speaker 1: it's reported that he began to break down under the stress.
Speaker 1: Pound later said, quote, Ha, I was a dangerous criminal.
Speaker 1: He continued, quote. They thought I was a dangerous wild
Speaker 1: man and were scared of me. I had a guard
Speaker 1: night and day, and when they built a cage out
Speaker 1: of iron mats from airplane runways and put me in
Speaker 1: the cage for the merriment of all, they posted a
Speaker 1: guard outside. Soldiers used to come up to the cage
Speaker 1: and look at me. Some of them brought me food.
Speaker 1: Old As was a prize exhibit. It is in this
Speaker 1: place where he actually produced one of his most famous works,
Speaker 1: the Pison. Kantos pound was returned to the United States
Speaker 1: and indicted for treason on November of the accusation he
Speaker 1: betrayed his country. He stated it was a quote damn
Speaker 1: fool idea and that he was, he insisted, trying to
Speaker 1: save it. His insistence he was saving his country and
Speaker 1: its constitution became part of the nine sentence report compiled
Speaker 1: by a board of psychiatrists appointed by the court, three
Speaker 1: for the government and one retained by pounds defense lawyer,
Speaker 1: Julian Cornell. It was a statement that helped determine his fate,
Speaker 1: but really not how he'd hoped. Included in their report,
Speaker 1: they remarked on his quote uncertain living, his being quote
Speaker 1: eccentric and his quote advancing years. They called him quote
Speaker 1: abnormally grandiose, which actually we found many reports that backed
Speaker 1: this description of pound as a larger than life character.
Speaker 1: Outside the courtroom, one of the psychiatrists, Dr Wendell Munsey,
Speaker 1: testified that, on the evidence of excerpts from the CONTOS
Speaker 1: and pounds other writings, he judged that quote, there has
Speaker 1: been for a number of years a deterioration of the
Speaker 1: mental processes. The board's unanimous opinion was that the defendant
Speaker 1: was quote, mentally unfit to advise properly with counsel or
Speaker 1: to participate intelligibly in his own defense. Archibald McLeish, a
Speaker 1: three time Pulitzer Prize winning writer and contemporary of pound,
Speaker 1: said of the case. Quote, it is pretty clear that
Speaker 1: poor old Ezra is quite quite Balmy. On the basis
Speaker 1: of the testimony from the board, he was ruled unfit
Speaker 1: to stand trial. In December of n sixty year old
Speaker 1: pound was committed to St Elizabeth's Psychiatric Hospital in Washington
Speaker 1: D C, where, it was ordered he would receive treatment
Speaker 1: until he might become mentally competent to stand trial. If
Speaker 1: he had been fit to stand trial and was convicted,
Speaker 1: pound would have likely faced the death penalty for the
Speaker 1: first thirteen months of his confinement, pound was held at
Speaker 1: Howard Hall, the hospital's maximum security ward, an area enclosed
Speaker 1: by a twenty two FT concrete perimeter wall used to
Speaker 1: house the quote, violent and criminally insane of his situation.
Speaker 1: Pound later said quote. I met a very pleasant chat.
Speaker 1: We had many interesting conversations. He seemed no crazier than I.
Speaker 1: When I found out that he had been committed for
Speaker 1: killing his wife, I reconsidered my position. In early ninety seven,
Speaker 1: pound was moved to what was known as center building.
Speaker 1: It was a less fortified area and those there were
Speaker 1: granted more leeway in receiving visitors, and a lot of
Speaker 1: people wanted to see him, from his longtime friends to
Speaker 1: young poets who just wanted to meet him. Then something
Speaker 1: a bit out of the ordinary happened that drew a
Speaker 1: lot of attention to Ezra during his confinement. In Ninety nine,
Speaker 1: pound was awarded the Bull Engine Prize. The jury, interested
Speaker 1: in recognizing his enormous poetic achievements and influence, overlooked his
Speaker 1: political agenda and treason trial and bestowed the literary honor
Speaker 1: upon him for the poison Kanto's work that the prestigious
Speaker 1: prize was given to a fascist who was being held
Speaker 1: for treason against America, triggered a pretty major controversy, not
Speaker 1: just among the literary crowd but also in Congress. The
Speaker 1: bull engine prize at the time was awarded by the
Speaker 1: Library of Congress. Congressman Jacob K Javits of New York wrote, quote,
Speaker 1: after having read the editorial treason's strange fruit, I am
Speaker 1: particularly concerned about the awarding of the Bull Engin Library
Speaker 1: of Congress award of one thousand dollars to Ezra pound.
Speaker 1: I would very much appreciate learning how the fellows who
Speaker 1: make this award were chosen, who they are and the
Speaker 1: basis of their selection. Another congressman, James T Patterson of Connecticut,
Speaker 1: addressed the House regarding the award recipient, stating, quote. Should
Speaker 1: we encourage the activities in literature of moral lepers? Javits
Speaker 1: called for an investigation, saying, quote. Must we not be
Speaker 1: equally diligent to investigate the infiltration of fascist ideas, especially
Speaker 1: in so August and institution as the Library of Congress?
Speaker 1: The matter went before the Congressional Joint Committee on the
Speaker 1: Library of Congress, whose chairman was Senator Theodore F Green
Speaker 1: of Rhode Island. The committee did not convene to investigate anything,
Speaker 1: not really. What they wanted was a resolution to the problem,
Speaker 1: and quickly it was decided that the library of Congress
Speaker 1: would abstain from giving prizes or awards. Senator Green told
Speaker 1: the press, quote, I think it is a bad policy
Speaker 1: for the government to give prizes and awards, especially in
Speaker 1: matters of taste. For those curious, because you may know
Speaker 1: that this prize still exists, the bull engine prizes now
Speaker 1: awarded through the Yale University Library. No one questioned whether
Speaker 1: or not the work was suitable for the award. It
Speaker 1: was generally agreed yes, yes, it was. It was about pound,
Speaker 1: his politics and his acts against the United States. Ernest
Speaker 1: Hemingway wrote of the poem quote. The best of pounds writing,
Speaker 1: and it is in the contents, will last as long
Speaker 1: as there is any literature. But, as Luther H Evans
Speaker 1: of the Library of Congress later observed, quote, the award
Speaker 1: possessed that bizarre quality that makes news. Along with excited
Speaker 1: reports and dignant editorials appeared in the press. Teasing out
Speaker 1: the artist from the fascist and anti semi proved difficult
Speaker 1: for some who had come to love his poetry and
Speaker 1: followed his literary movement. The New York Times reacted to
Speaker 1: pound receiving the award with this headline, quote. Pound in
Speaker 1: Mental Clinic Wins Prize for poetry penned and treason cell.
Speaker 1: An editorial in The New York Herald Tribune stated, quote.
Speaker 1: This emphasis on an objective criterion of beauty and excellence,
Speaker 1: akin to belief in an objective truth, is fundamental to
Speaker 1: a free and rational society. In maintaining it, the judges
Speaker 1: acted in the only way that is open to men
Speaker 1: who are sensitive to a later verdict of history. In
Speaker 1: that same edition of the Tribune, though, poet and critic
Speaker 1: Lewis under Meyer called the Pison Kantos quote a rag
Speaker 1: bag and tail end of pound at his worst. It
Speaker 1: shows a very disordered mind, one affected by the seeds
Speaker 1: of Fascism pullets. Her prizewinning poet, Robert Hillier, thought the
Speaker 1: award quote regrettable. For aesthetic rather than political reasons, he
Speaker 1: continued quote. I never saw anything to admire, not one
Speaker 1: line in pound. Poet Robert Frost called pound quote possibly
Speaker 1: crazy but more likely criminal. Pound, upon being told he
Speaker 1: had won this prize, prepared a statement for the press.
Speaker 1: No comment from the Bug House, that was his nickname
Speaker 1: for St Elizabeth's, but then he decided not to release
Speaker 1: that statement. Eventually, while at St Elizabeth's, pound was granted
Speaker 1: permission to spend time out on the grounds, where he
Speaker 1: would lecture two groups of eager young poets who called
Speaker 1: themselves the asrologists. Author Daniel Swift describes this in his
Speaker 1: book the Bug House, the poetry, politics and madness of
Speaker 1: Ezra pound as, quote, the world's least Orthodox Literary Salon
Speaker 1: convened by a Fascist held in a lunatic asylum. Fellow
Speaker 1: poets and authors rallied around Ezra Pound and, please for
Speaker 1: his freedom, kept a constant awareness of his situation. In
Speaker 1: the new directions booklet of tributes to pound that was
Speaker 1: written for his birthday, Ernest Hemingway wrote, quote. Will Gladly
Speaker 1: pay tribute to Ezra but what I would like to
Speaker 1: do is get him the hell out of St Elizabeth's,
Speaker 1: have him given a passport and allow him to return
Speaker 1: to Italy, where he has justly valued as a poet.
Speaker 1: I believe he made bad mistakes in the war and
Speaker 1: continuing to broadcast for that Sad Mussolini. After we were
Speaker 1: fighting him, but I also believe that he has paid
Speaker 1: for them in full and has continued finement is a
Speaker 1: cruel and unusual punishment. Playwright Arthur Miller took a different stance, writing, quote,
Speaker 1: a greater calamity cannot befall the art than that Ezra pound,
Speaker 1: the Mussolini mouthpiece, should be welcomed back as an arbiter
Speaker 1: of American letters. There are a few versions of the
Speaker 1: story of his release. The popular version is that pounds
Speaker 1: release happened because of a kind of unofficial pardon after
Speaker 1: a long running campaign on behalf of his fellow writers
Speaker 1: and artists, including prominent names like Franklin, right, Igor Stravinsky,
Speaker 1: William Carlos Williams and Hemingway. After he won the Nobel
Speaker 1: Prize in literature in Nineteen fifty four, Hemingway referred to
Speaker 1: pound in his speech, saying, quote, this would be a
Speaker 1: good year to release poets. Pound was a leading figure
Speaker 1: in a prominent and important literary movement and those who
Speaker 1: followed him, it seems, did so despite his sins. On
Speaker 1: April Eighteenth, United States Federal District Court Judge Belietha laws,
Speaker 1: who coincidentally, oversaw pounds treason trial as well dismissed the
Speaker 1: indictment for treason that had been lodged more than a
Speaker 1: decade prior against Ezra. His immediate released from St Elizabeth
Speaker 1: after thirteen years was ordered. He was released in May,
Speaker 1: and the United States Justice Department did not oppose the
Speaker 1: motion permitting pound to promptly sail for Italy, the country
Speaker 1: that he considered his home. He lived in Venice until
Speaker 1: his death on November one nineteen seventy two. What I
Speaker 1: can say about pound is what a ride with this
Speaker 1: guy right. He's a complicated dude for this perfecty poor
Speaker 1: I wanted to do something extra delicious because there is
Speaker 1: this thing where it is hard to read about people
Speaker 1: who are often lauded as really great eats and discover
Speaker 1: that they were in some ways train wrecks or that
Speaker 1: they just did they had a very stupid bad view
Speaker 1: on something, when you otherwise consider them kind of a genius.
Speaker 1: It's problematic. So I wanted to make something that was
Speaker 1: very delicious to help take that edge off, and I
Speaker 1: also started thinking about literary cocktails. Have you ever had
Speaker 1: a drink called the last word? Okay, no, but I
Speaker 1: have a love where you're going here. Because years ago
Speaker 1: my father sent me a book. That's basically the title
Speaker 1: of the book. It's like dinners from famous literary works
Speaker 1: and cocktails. So the last word is a cocktail that's
Speaker 1: quite old. It predates prohibition, so it was around in
Speaker 1: the nineteen teens, and it is usually made in the
Speaker 1: following way. Three quarters of announce of dry GIN, three
Speaker 1: quarters of announce of Maraschino liqueur, the Italian pronunciation, since
Speaker 1: it's Ezra, is Mariskino, so we'll go with that. Three
Speaker 1: quarters of announce of green chartreuse and three quarters ann
Speaker 1: ounce of fresh lime juice. This is a delicious cocktown.
Speaker 1: We are not doing quite this one for today because
Speaker 1: we want to tweak it and make it as Ra's words.
Speaker 1: I wanted to make it even a little sweeter. I
Speaker 1: love Chartreuse to a dangerous degree. However, that's kind of
Speaker 1: an expensive spirit to keep on hand if you only
Speaker 1: use it from time to time. Absolutely yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: also one that not everybody can get locally super easily. Some,
Speaker 1: not all, liquor stores are going to carry chartreuse, so
Speaker 1: I wanted to do a twist on this that includes
Speaker 1: the basics but subs out that chartreuse for another delicious
Speaker 1: thing that we have had on the show enough times
Speaker 1: the people that follow along probably have it, and even
Speaker 1: if you don't, it's pretty easy to get so for
Speaker 1: Ezra's which we are calling Ezra's words instead of the
Speaker 1: last word, because Ezra's words were a mixed bag. And
Speaker 1: while I don't normally like Jim I'm learning to of
Speaker 1: it and I love this cocktail so so. This one
Speaker 1: is three quarters of Ann Ounce of dry gin, three
Speaker 1: quarters of an ounce of Mariskino liqueur, you're gonna keep that,
Speaker 1: three quarters of announce of fresh lime juice and, instead
Speaker 1: of the Chartreuse, three quarters of an ounce of elder
Speaker 1: flower liqueur. Come on, shake a shake it again, pour
Speaker 1: it into a chilled glass. We've done a few of
Speaker 1: those lately. This is such a beautiful sip. The Mariskuino
Speaker 1: and the elder flower are both pretty sweet, but because
Speaker 1: the dry gin is not at all to me, it
Speaker 1: doesn't feel very cloying Lee sweet. Depending on your tolerance
Speaker 1: for sweet drinks, you might find it very sweet. You
Speaker 1: can always up the lime juice to help counter that
Speaker 1: as well, if you wanted to. I love this drink
Speaker 1: and love it like I said, it's just super yummy
Speaker 1: and I like it because it's not a huge drink.
Speaker 1: We recently did the Sydney Riley, which that is a
Speaker 1: lot of spirit, and this has a lot of spirit,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't feel quite so dangerous as it's not
Speaker 1: as many ounces. The mocktail for this is another one
Speaker 1: where we got a step completely away, because everything in
Speaker 1: this except the lime juice is an alcohol. So for
Speaker 1: the mock tail you're going to use, say, measurements three
Speaker 1: quarters of announce of everything, which I love because that
Speaker 1: also keeps it simple. If you want to also throttle
Speaker 1: up or down on your volume, you don't have to
Speaker 1: do any mass you just match all of your measures.
Speaker 1: So for this you're gonna do Ginger Beer for one
Speaker 1: of them, Cherry Syrup, for one of them, elder flower
Speaker 1: syrup and lime juice. The reason I went with ginger
Speaker 1: beer is because it does have that kind of cutting.
Speaker 1: I would go with a very bity ginger beer because
Speaker 1: it's gonna help counter the sweetness of two kinds of syrups.
Speaker 1: That sounds like a delicious mocktail. Yeah, again, you can
Speaker 1: throttle up your lime juice if you want. You can
Speaker 1: increase the amount of ginger beer if you want it
Speaker 1: even like a softer sweetness, just very refreshing. This one
Speaker 1: is like the one that I want to carry around
Speaker 1: over ice, like all day long. It'll like a garden party.
Speaker 1: It is sweet and Yummy and it's I don't know.
Speaker 1: It just makes me think of things that are far
Speaker 1: more delightful than anyone committing treason and then claiming that
Speaker 1: they didn't commit treason because clearly they don't understand the
Speaker 1: definition of treason. Oh, I said that out loud. I
Speaker 1: don't think you understand what the maybe read the definition
Speaker 1: in the constitution. You didn't. You did exactly what it said.
Speaker 1: I said. Terrible thing you did. You did support an enemy.
Speaker 1: You did anyway. So that is as risk words both
Speaker 1: sweet and sour and some way, but they come out
Speaker 1: delicious in this instance, which would be a way better
Speaker 1: legacy if it were me, I would think, than some
Speaker 1: of the foolish things that Ezra pound did. The EGO
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