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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 2: All right, guys, Almost Famous and the og all creations

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Speaker 2: of the Sugarman brain Trust Here tonight. This is the

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Speaker 2: post mortem. Guys. We're coming off of a great night

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Speaker 2: multiple interviews, Ben Higgins, Bob Guiney talking to everyone in

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Speaker 2: the room. We talked about parenthood, we talked about having children,

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Speaker 2: We talked about the baby shower, we talked about the baby.

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Speaker 2: What's about your gorgeous wife? We talked about colts, we

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Speaker 2: talked about sandwiches. We had so many conversations. I don't

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Speaker 2: even know what the hell was going on. My head

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Speaker 2: is spinning right now.

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Speaker 3: And you know what, Bob, some things that stood out

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Speaker 3: to me tonight Jonan Chalk outside of the baby stuff,

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Speaker 3: as solid as of a couple as I've ever seen

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Speaker 3: from The Bachelor.

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Speaker 2: Yes, me too.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they can joke with each other, they can

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Speaker 3: kind of like jab each other a little bit, and

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Speaker 3: they love each other. That's a standout, you.

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Speaker 2: Know what I loved. Also, first of all, they do

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Speaker 2: speak for each other a little bit, like in a

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Speaker 2: kind way, but they give each other that space to

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Speaker 2: speak for themselves, which I think is a very respectful thing.

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Speaker 2: And older couples do that, and couples who've been together

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Speaker 2: for a long time with that, but couples in the beginning,

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Speaker 2: it's like one of them is almost always trying to

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Speaker 2: dominate the conversation. It would stand a reason that Joan

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Speaker 2: would almost talk for Chok, right, she doesn't, she doesn't,

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Speaker 2: she lets him go, and Chalk doesn't need to be

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Speaker 2: let go. He's a he's a man dud. He has

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Speaker 2: his own moment. I love them. I love that dude.

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Speaker 3: Chalk made a comment at the very end of the

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Speaker 3: podcast that said, it feels like been married for five years.

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Speaker 3: I remember saying that, and I would say that makes sense,

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Speaker 3: like it does. Another stand out to me was Jonathan

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Speaker 3: going on Paradise, his excitement towards that, his you know,

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Speaker 3: the one thing we didn't dive into with him, but

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Speaker 3: I think is something to know is his intentionality about

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Speaker 3: preparing well for that show, meaning he wasn't going to

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Speaker 3: reach out to bachelor people, he wasn't going to date around,

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Speaker 3: he was going to keep his slate clean. Really, if

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Speaker 3: I would have, uh, what do you think about that? Like?

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Speaker 2: So I have two thoughts on that, Like one of

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Speaker 2: the thoughts is I I question someone who has such

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Speaker 2: a plan now that I question jigginy Jay because I

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Speaker 2: actually did enjoy him, But it is interesting to me

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Speaker 2: that someone has such a plan, like I didn't have

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Speaker 3: I wonder if a little no, I'm with you, I

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Speaker 3: think a plan is a is an odd way to

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Speaker 3: lay it out. I wonder though, for him getting to

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Speaker 3: spend some time with him, if he has a plan

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Speaker 3: because of past seasons and how many people have had

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Speaker 3: a lack of a plan right and just kind of

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Speaker 3: dated around and gone to these shows. He's watching the

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Speaker 3: carnage and yeah, and he's like, I need to set

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Speaker 3: my boundaries up. I need to make sure I think

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Speaker 3: this through so that I don't show up to the

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Speaker 3: beach and get absolutely destroyed.

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Speaker 2: I do. I do say this. I like him. I

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Speaker 2: think he's a very nice personality. I think he seemed

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Speaker 2: like a really cool guy, and I did like these

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Speaker 2: They're supporting Jen that whole time through out the season.

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Speaker 2: I mean that, you know, everyone's like speculating up their

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Speaker 2: dating and he knows they're not, but he's still there

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Speaker 2: every week. You know, part of me.

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Speaker 3: Is supporting her as a friend and we see this

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Speaker 3: now with her and Sasha, where like they Jonathan and

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Speaker 3: Jen definitely didn't have anything, and we guess we don't

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Speaker 3: really know Sasha and Jen do because it's kind of

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Speaker 3: the same thing that's happening with Jonathan. But the Sasha

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Speaker 3: thing seems a little more legit because she's like staying

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Speaker 3: at his house, which feels like, how did's too attractive people?

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Speaker 2: To me?

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Speaker 3: I go, how did too attractive single people sleep in

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Speaker 2: No, we're just gonna say she's gonna stay here at

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Speaker 2: my couge. She's a closer in the dirty laundry. Come on, bro, respect. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's not a thing. I watched gen dance on that show.

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Speaker 3: Come Courtney and Umberta were together. Uh, just I love

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Speaker 3: that you love them and you love Umberto and you

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Speaker 3: love coordinating I do. And you've been a fan of

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Speaker 3: hers forever and you could I could tell just through

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Speaker 3: that interview how like excited you were that they are together.

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Speaker 3: I like them, but like, again, go back to my

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Speaker 3: first point, Mberto Preciado shows up.

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Speaker 2: Like you both the greatest name I've ever heard in

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Speaker 2: my Like, there's no chance they don't get married, and

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Speaker 2: I get named Bob Guinea yea, and I want to

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Speaker 2: fight my parents. Why am I not Robert? No, it's

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Speaker 2: Bob Ginny And you really like saur Kraut. It's like

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Speaker 2: all these weird tonalities in the Midwest. Just abfuse me.

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Speaker 2: Beautiful couple.

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Speaker 3: We had Susie who's just crushing it in her podcast,

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Speaker 3: hosting an incredible show about so many unique, creative and

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Speaker 3: difficult topics, and she's doing it in a humorous, yet

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Speaker 3: de She's adorable. She is, she really is adoring. Do

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Speaker 3: you think her and Justin are back together?

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 3: I do too.

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Speaker 2: I got a feeling I think that. First of all,

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Speaker 2: it bothered me at our last time with Justin. It

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Speaker 2: bothered me that I felt like there was some it wasn't.

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Speaker 2: It didn't seem settled to me. There's something going on.

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Speaker 2: I love that right now, even though you know we

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Speaker 2: weren't able to pry it out of her in our

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Speaker 2: gripping interviews and you and I just hitting with the

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Speaker 2: hard stuff we weren't able to get out of her. That,

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Speaker 2: I do think they are together, and maybe that's something

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Speaker 3: I think they're back together. We have the Golden ladies.

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Speaker 2: Can we call them the Golden Girls, Yeah, of course

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Speaker 2: we can. I feel like the three of them are

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Speaker 2: like the three amigos who are just fucking awesome. And

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Speaker 2: I could listen to them read a phone book and

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Speaker 2: I would be laughing my ass off.

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Speaker 3: Can you imagine if we just stuck the three of

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Speaker 3: them in the house and said, there's no rules to this,

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Speaker 3: just live life, no, see what happens, because it would

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Speaker 3: be no bills would get paid, but it's asolutely crazy.

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Speaker 3: And if you have boys over, the show will pay

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Speaker 3: for everything. So like that's encouraged, love it and just

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Speaker 3: see what happens, and we just follow along.

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Speaker 2: King the pool boy would be there and none of

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Speaker 2: them have a pool.

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Speaker 4: Can I tell you something, Yes, I would bet money

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Speaker 4: that by early twenty twenty five a lot of those

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Speaker 4: Golden ladies are dating a lot of the Golden dudes.

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Speaker 4: I hope, Oh I guarantee you I see them. They're

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Speaker 4: all So Chalk's facetiming his buddies from the show and

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Speaker 4: getting the ladies on. They're all it's going to be

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Speaker 4: like the young ones inter dating, you know, as they

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Speaker 4: do with the Goldens. Nancy thousands dude and I think

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Speaker 4: I know who it's going to be. Do you want

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Speaker 4: me to tell you now? I think it's going to

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Speaker 4: be Guy.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I like, Guy, You're.

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Speaker 4: Gonna meet Guy when Ben's having a baby. Guy's going

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Speaker 4: to be with us. Oh my, So I think I

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Speaker 4: think there might be some sparks between maybe Nancy and Guy.

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Speaker 2: And Nancy back on that one. I think so should

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Speaker 4: That one's going to be. Okay, tune in for like

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Speaker 4: February for like Golden hookups, because what we're trying to

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Speaker 4: do Ben, when you have the baby is we're going

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Speaker 3: That seems like something I would not be down. I'm

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Speaker 4: We're just gonna get a baby all the goldens. It's

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Speaker 4: going to be fifty and over only, and it's going

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Speaker 4: to be all the goldens and Susie and your face.

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Speaker 4: Why are you so let the old Let the old folks.

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Speaker 2: I want them to have a lift so bad.

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Speaker 3: I just have this image in my mind right now

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Speaker 3: that I can get out. That's mostly what I'm thinking. Uh,

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Speaker 3: but I'm just thinking about how having a baby and

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Speaker 3: then like coming back in March and starting to record

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Speaker 3: again and all of a sudden. Now She's like, we're not.

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Speaker 4: Letting you have like two weeks off, like two months off,

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Speaker 4: said Ben's getting time off.

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Speaker 3: I thought I get like five days vacation.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no.

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Speaker 4: No, you don't know about that. We set up all

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Speaker 4: the cameras and the microphones and the delivery.

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Speaker 2: You know, we already cleared it. I'm gonna be right there,

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Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen, this is actually happening in real time.

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Speaker 3: I just can't imagine like the stories that have come out,

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Speaker 3: and I'm gonna listen to a podcast and be like, yeah, well,

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Speaker 3: it's not like Kathy and this guy they like snuck off.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be like stage Coach to the bedroom and

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Speaker 3: we walked in there making out.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be like stage Coach with I.

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Speaker 4: Was gonna say, who was the one that got in

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Speaker 4: trouble at stage Coach Blake? What was the nickname?

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Speaker 3: Uh? I don't know.

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Speaker 4: What was the name they gave stage Coach when Blake

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Speaker 4: had like too many hookups. What if we make a

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Speaker 4: Golden just like a Golden.

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Speaker 2: He is an island.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't actually like feel like this is something

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Speaker 3: i'd morally be against, because if we brought all them

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Speaker 3: we get four really successful makeouts from it. I'd actually

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Speaker 3: be like, that's kind of cool. I know what if

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Speaker 3: They're all like into.

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Speaker 2: No one's even remotely young enough to make a mistake.

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Speaker 2: We just holds bar. Yeah, nobody. It's like a candy

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Speaker 2: bowl of Viagara and condoms.

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Speaker 4: Like when Daddy's away.

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Speaker 3: Goodness, this sounds.

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Speaker 2: You put Firestone and I in a room. Bro, it's

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Speaker 2: gonna be bringing spin the bottle Truth or Dare.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna bring out all the teenage games and have

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Speaker 4: just hook up Island for the Golden I can't wait.

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Speaker 3: That's such good content.

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Speaker 4: It's really good.

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Speaker 2: It's good.

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Speaker 3: I just can't be a part of it.

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Speaker 2: We'll call you, We'll call you, we'll send you a video.

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Speaker 3: Who else was here tonight? Nobody? I think that was

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Speaker 2: Well. I wanted to say, like, let's talk about this.

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Speaker 2: So you did mention Courtney Bug Robertson and Umberto and yes,

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Speaker 2: Courtney earlier this year, and I always saw she was

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Speaker 2: to hear Alberto's experience with her being the villain. It

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Speaker 2: And I guess I never really thought about it because

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Speaker 2: I was edited very nicely when I was on the show.

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Speaker 2: I didn't realize that it could be hard to be

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Speaker 2: just like, holy shit, my head's gonna explode, Like I've

436
00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:54,120
Speaker 2: never felt this way. Someone says something kind of sideways

437
00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,439
Speaker 2: about my child and I'm ready to go bonkers and

438
00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,600
Speaker 2: I'm not that guy, and it's like this is so

439
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,719
Speaker 2: deep and so different. But then when you look at

440
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,879
Speaker 2: your wife and you realize that she did this, dude,

441
00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 2: mind blowing.

442
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:10,200
Speaker 4: What do you think?

443
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 3: I I'm gonna cry again. Yeah, I mean I trust

444
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,840
Speaker 3: Bob for every word he ever says. I just I

445
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 3: get it and I get and it's cool because I

446
00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,399
Speaker 3: also have this funny image. Right when I told Bob

447
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 3: that Jessica is pregnant. Bob and I were on the

448
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 3: golf course and we're playing golf together and riding in

449
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:30,760
Speaker 3: the car. We have a great time, and then Bob

450
00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 3: shows me a text that Kenyon has sent him and

451
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,479
Speaker 3: it's like so and so just pooped in the bucket.

452
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,800
Speaker 3: The other one tried to throw it at him, and.

453
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,399
Speaker 2: My kids are fairal yeah.

454
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 3: And I'm sitting in a lawn chair with a cocktail

455
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 3: like it was like it was the funniest text I've

456
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:48,720
Speaker 3: ever read in my life.

457
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,399
Speaker 2: And I was just like, funny, funny is that? Kapa

458
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,879
Speaker 2: Kapa Gamma?

459
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,120
Speaker 3: And I just and then like it's what I love.

460
00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,080
Speaker 3: Is what I've always loved about life is as I

461
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 3: get older, I care more, but I also care less

462
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,919
Speaker 3: on certain things. And I'm excited to enter into a

463
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 3: stage again where I'll care less about probably so many

464
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 3: things I care so much about. Right now, I don't

465
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 3: care less about yourself, and I'm gonna care so much

466
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 3: more for something outside of me, which has always been

467
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 3: a healthy step in my life. It's always been healthier

468
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 3: for me to extend externally and not so much focus

469
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 3: internally and try to build up whatever I'm doing. And

470
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,399
Speaker 3: I'm excited. I am because I know it's gonna make

471
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 3: me a better man. And I see all these dads

472
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:42,399
Speaker 3: around me who are incredible men. Now they might not

473
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 3: function as you'd picture this incredible man, but they love well,

474
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 3: they care well, they support well, and they're flying on

475
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 3: five thirty fights to get home to their kids tomorrow

476
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:54,199
Speaker 3: morning when you know.

477
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,199
Speaker 2: The way guys, Yeah, it's not easy for anybody, but.

478
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 3: It's it's something that, like, for me, that excites me

479
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 3: that I'll be entering into something where I'm willing and

480
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,199
Speaker 3: able and excited about. Hey, I'm gonna wake up at

481
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 3: the crack of dawn tomorrow just to get back home.

482
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,640
Speaker 2: They'll tell you this, So Canyon, I land, and Canyon goes,

483
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 2: this is ridiculous, Just come home later, don't worry about it,

484
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 2: and she's like, get on the go back to the

485
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 2: nine ten. I go. No, I switched to the five

486
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 2: point thirty for a reason. She's like why. I'm like,

487
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 2: cause I want three and a half hours of my

488
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 2: kid before I go to this stupid party that we're hosting,

489
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 2: you know. And she's like, okay, well whatever, And all

490
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 2: I can think of was, first of all, it was

491
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 2: really cool that And I mean, I know justics like

492
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 2: this too. Like Canyon doesn't see everything. She makes fun

493
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 2: of me, that everything I do is a party and fun,

494
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 2: but she knows that, you know, a lot of it

495
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,199
Speaker 2: isn't right. But she's always like she's like, no, just

496
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 2: enjoy yourself, Like stay there. That's the most beautiful place.

497
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 2: Because we've had dinner here before. In this place, Terry

498
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,400
Speaker 2: Outa is so gorgeous. She's like, enjoy it. You won't

499
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 2: even get to see it. And I'm like, oh, it's

500
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,120
Speaker 2: gonna be great. It's gonna be great. The point is

501
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter when you're here without them. It's yes,

502
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 2: it's a it's a reprieve and it's a moment, but

503
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 2: all you can think about is, oh, man, I wish

504
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 2: my kids could see this, you know. Or it's like

505
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 2: when you have these kids, it's like, especially where the

506
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 2: age of that Grayson's at now, which is he's six,

507
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,239
Speaker 2: he's become like my little best friend. Like I'll put

508
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 2: him in the car and we'll drive around and we

509
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,479
Speaker 2: have real conversations, like and I'm blown away by how

510
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 2: smart he is. And that doesn't happen without Canyon putting

511
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,360
Speaker 2: in that time. Like, you know, public schools are great,

512
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 2: and I love it, but Kanyon is the one teaching

513
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 2: them how to spell and how to add and how

514
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,400
Speaker 2: to have a conversation. And it's it's just this beauty

515
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 2: that you see that you recognize in your spouse that

516
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 2: is is is otherworldly. It really is, and it really

517
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 2: makes to me to answer Amy's question long, long, long form. Yeah,

518
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 2: it's been really challenging at times, and I won't lie

519
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 2: it's been There's been times where I'm like, why does

520
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 2: everything have to be so hard? You know? And there's

521
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 2: other times like, oh my god, this is the most

522
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 2: magic thing I could ever imagine, and why do I

523
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 2: wait so long to do this. I'm forty eight when

524
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 2: I had my first kid, and it's like, thank God

525
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 2: I waited that long though, because it was with Kanyon.

526
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 2: When it's with the right person, that's why you do

527
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 2: it right, or that's and maybe it isn't having kids,

528
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 2: Maybe that isn't what a couple needs for us. It

529
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 2: was like the only reason I even thought about getting

530
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 2: married again was to have a family. But it wasn't

531
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,919
Speaker 2: a time I met Canyon that I was willing to

532
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 2: do it. And I'm so thankful that I did because

533
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,199
Speaker 2: she was the right person for me. And Jess is

534
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 2: such the right person for you. Like you guys are

535
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 2: like two kindness bombs just exploding together all the time.

536
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 2: It's like I've never met two people that are so

537
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,120
Speaker 2: meant for each other in my life and the two

538
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,400
Speaker 2: of you, and it's like so wonderful when you love

539
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 2: someone like I do. You to see Jess come along

540
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 2: and just make you even more lovable, It's fucking mind blowing.

541
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, it blows my mind too. I touched on this earlier, Bob,

542
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 3: and I want to hear from you. So you were

543
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 3: forty eight when you had your first kid. I mentioned that,

544
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 3: you know, I'm thirty five and I'm having my first kid,

545
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 3: and there is this I'll be one month, I guess

546
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 3: when our baby is born, I'll be one month away

547
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 3: from turning thirty six, with thirty five years of my

548
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 3: life what I would call being selfish, because that's really

549
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 3: just who I've been, right, I'm living my life. I'm

550
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 3: doing the things I want to do. I'm investing into

551
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 3: the time and the people that I want to invest into,

552
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:29,439
Speaker 3: you know, And so there is this unique fear, I

553
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 3: guess of how in the world do I kind of

554
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 3: rip that selfishness out of me? And we talked about

555
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 3: it with the Golden Ladies and it was great. But

556
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 3: I would love for you to dive into what it

557
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 3: felt like at forty eight to have your first kid,

558
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 3: living forty eight years of your life without a child,

559
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 3: and still finding the space to not be resentful towards

560
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 3: this fact that this kid walked into your world and

561
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 3: ripped it all up and said, Nope, my time is yours. Now,

562
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 3: how did you make that transitions?

563
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I would say I I would

564
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 2: be more definitive of the word selfish than you. You

565
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 2: are very kind and giving person. I didn't go anywhere

566
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 2: and dig wells, and I didn't go anywhere and provide

567
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 2: water and all the things that you've done. I was

568
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,959
Speaker 2: somebody who was at every party in Hollywood, you know,

569
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 2: So my my version of selfish is probably a lot

570
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,360
Speaker 2: different than yours. And I mean that necessarily. I think

571
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 2: we're both very kind and very giving people. And I've

572
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 2: known any forever and I love her so much. She

573
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 2: could probably speak to that, like, you're just a different

574
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 2: person than me. I mean, I didn't do the things

575
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 2: that you do, So you saying your selfish, you saying

576
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 2: your selfish is a different version of me saying I'm selfish.

577
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 3: The same idea exists, though, like me doing what I

578
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 3: love to do and you do what you love to

579
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 3: do are the same thing. We both said we love

580
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:48,360
Speaker 3: to do these things.

581
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 2: Right, And I did, and I didn't even I didn't

582
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 2: think I want kidd I didn't think I wanted kids

583
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 2: at a certain point. But I will say this, like,

584
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 2: you know, hosting the Playboy Jazz and Playboy Radio and

585
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 2: all that dumb shit I did for so many years,

586
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 2: and I just thought, oh, I guess that's what I'm

587
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 2: supposed to be doing, and my sister being like you

588
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 2: shallow piece of s you know. I mean, there was

589
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 2: a point where I'm like, my sister, I'll never forget it.

590
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 2: She calls me, She's like, you are not bringing Jennifer

591
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:17,959
Speaker 2: Love Hewitt to the cottage from a Royal day weekend.

592
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 2: I'm like, I didn't even say I was. She's like,

593
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 2: I know you're dating or doda dumb stuff like that.

594
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 2: Like that's to me, is selfish.

595
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 4: Can we just possible?

596
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 5: No?

597
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 2: No, no, We're not going back on there. Point is

598
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 2: what I'm trying to say, is I think that my

599
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 2: I don't know what path of self destruction I might

600
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 2: have been on without my children, but I do know

601
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 2: that I was always pretty mindful in Midwestern about the

602
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 2: way I approach things, which I think is a huge

603
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 2: Badge of Honor with I love Midwestern values and I

604
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 2: love that I love in stewing that in my children.

605
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 2: But I was still kind of like, you know, what's next.

606
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm just every next thing that comes,

607
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 2: I'm just taking it and running with it. And I'm

608
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 2: still surviving. I guess there came a point where I

609
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 2: was like, there's got to be something more than this. Yeah,

610
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 2: And like for me, like I think about like my

611
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 2: relationship with with Canyon, Like I love her and she's

612
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 2: incredibly smart and insightful and intelligent. I don't know what

613
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 2: we'd be talking about ten years later if we didn't

614
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 2: have a kid, you know, And I'm so thankful that

615
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 2: I got something else to focus on besides me. Like,

616
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 2: you know, one of the funniest things that happens in

617
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 2: our life, and this happens literally on a daily basis,

618
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 2: is my six year old Grayson. I'll be like, I'll

619
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 2: take in the McDonald's playland and I'll be like, hey, buddy, day,

620
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 2: can we get French fries? No? Not today. We'll have

621
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 2: a bottle of water. And you know, I'm just like

622
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 2: be complaining the playlin like this right in her house

623
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 2: and He'll go in and literally the woman who's like

624
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 2: a twelve year old McDonald's waitress will walk over with

625
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 2: a tray with a bottle of water on it, and

626
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 2: he'll yell from the playland, Yeah, it's him, he's the bachelor.

627
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 2: You can get a picture with him. I'm like, what,

628
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: And it's become so funny, like it's no longer I don't.

629
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 2: I think I was trying to say it earlier tonight

630
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 2: to somebody of it. I was like, I was like,

631
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: trust me, it goes from being like a cool thing

632
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 2: to being this like semi famous guy to actually being

633
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 2: really laughable. If you can look at this and laugh

634
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 2: at yourself, then you've actually kind of made it to

635
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 2: the point where I'm actually going to really be your friend.

636
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: Because I think I used to always say it to

637
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 2: when they would ask me for advice for the new bachelors,

638
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 2: and I would always go, you're not Ben Affleck, And

639
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: if a monkey hands out of flower and doesn't give

640
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 2: one of those girls a flower, she's gonna cry. Think

641
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 2: about it that way and get over yourself, you know.

642
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 2: And I clearly wasn't around for much of the advice sessions,

643
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 2: but that was my mindset of the show was I

644
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 2: was like, get over you, like it isn't about you.

645
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 2: And I got over it really fast with my kids.

646
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 2: If I hadn't been over it previously. I realized really

647
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 2: quickly that the one thing I learned from my children

648
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 2: was it's no longer about me. And I love that,

649
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 2: Like I really love investing in them, and I love

650
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 2: watching them even when they're watching me, because it gives

651
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 2: you a different view of even how to see yourself.

652
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 2: But I've also I want to say this too, like

653
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 2: love your wife more than you've ever loved her in

654
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 2: these times because Kraigan. But I think that it's important

655
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 2: because my dad loved my mom so much and my

656
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 2: dad is no longer with us, and I want my

657
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 2: kids to feel that way about love, like the way

658
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 2: I feel about my dad and my mom's love. Like,

659
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 2: you know, I didn't know their problems. I never saw them.

660
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 2: All I saw was these two people who, no matter what,

661
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 2: they get through it. And so I want my kids

662
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 2: to see that. And so you know, if and we

663
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 2: probably bicker in front of them too much and all

664
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, which is maybe a good thing,

665
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 2: maybe bad thing. I'm sure there's a doctor's pock book

666
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 2: about all that shit. The point is like, you'll never

667
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: love your wife more than when you see her dealing

668
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: with your children. And I think you should never let

669
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 2: your children see it more how much you love your wife,

670
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 2: because that's going to be what they see in relationships.

671
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 2: Your daughter needs to know that a man should respect her.

672
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 2: Your daughter needs to know that a man should put

673
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 2: her first. Right, It's just like my son need to

674
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 2: know that they should put a woman first, in a

675
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 2: woman that they love first. It's important to.

676
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 3: Me, Bob, as I h any other advice. I didn't

677
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 3: ask you for advice, and I would love to have

678
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 3: any advice. You just shared some great stuff about loving

679
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 3: my wife well, and that will sit with me. She

680
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 3: deserves it one and she's great, so that's easy.

681
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 2: You're not gonna always want to though, yeah, because she's

682
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,479
Speaker 2: not always going to be super nice, you know, I mean,

683
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 2: at least you know my experience. But yeah, no, I

684
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 2: think it's I think it's pretty amazing, like when you

685
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 2: go through these moments, especially as your as your daughter

686
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 2: gets older, and I'm assuming you guys will probably have

687
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 2: another kid and stuff, you know, but you know who knows.

688
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. You don't need any advice

689
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 2: from me. Dude, I'm a disasker.

690
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 4: What are you most worried about?

691
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, what are you most worried about?

692
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 3: Is a day? I said it, like the selfishness. Like personally,

693
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 3: what I'm most worried about is this, like this idea

694
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 3: that I've just gotten. You know, when I get you

695
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 3: get married, there's there's things that you kind of not

696
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 3: rip away, but there's different rhythms, different things that you

697
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 3: implement in your life to be a good husband. My

698
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 3: passions and my desires and all those things that haven't

699
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 3: had to change since marriage. Because Jessica, it's like that's

700
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 3: not where I married you. I didn't marry you so

701
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 3: you become some like version of yourself. I married you

702
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 3: to be the best version of yourself, which is increasing

703
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 3: those things.

704
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 2: Which speak her confidence.

705
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's awesome. But with a kid, you know, there's

706
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 3: a whole different like mindset where it's like, no, some

707
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 3: of those things have to be changed, Like a new

708
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 3: version of myself has to exist because my handicap can't

709
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 3: get below a five.

710
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 5: Now every you're playing that, let's go fun and because

711
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 5: like you know, there's just things that have to change

712
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 5: and have to be tweaked.

713
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 3: And I think that's what I'm most fearful of. Is

714
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 3: am I going to be able to do that without resentment?

715
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 3: And am I going to be able to do that

716
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 3: with excitement and joy? That's what I'm fearful of, because

717
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 3: I don't do things well out of resentment. Even if

718
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 3: it's out of even if it's the right thing, there

719
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 3: has to be a better reason. And I know the

720
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 3: reason is because I want to be a dad that's present.

721
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 3: As Umberto was saying the night, I want to be

722
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 3: a dad that's available. I want to be a dad

723
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 3: that's that's there, not a dad that's like, yeah, I

724
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 3: remember dad playing golf five days a week. Right. What

725
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 3: I'm also, I mean, I think I'm fearful about I

726
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 3: was saying. I was talking to Courtney about tonight, and

727
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 3: I don't think she'll mind me sharing it. We have

728
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 3: the same thing where we have worst case scenario thinking

729
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 3: at night. So when I lay my head on the

730
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,479
Speaker 3: pillar tonight, no matter what I know it, I'll have

731
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 3: some type of negative thoughts flow into my head. It

732
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 3: will be something about I'm assuming tonight of who I

733
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 3: didn't talk to or what I said to somebody, or

734
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 3: maybe I didn't talk to somebody too, like a recap

735
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 3: a recap, and my recaps are always pretty harsh. So

736
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 3: I'm working with somebody right now, harsh on yourself, on myself.

737
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 3: The other side of this is my worst case scenario

738
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 3: thinking when I first got married, was Jessica's going to

739
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 3: work tomorrow morning and night. I start to have these

740
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 3: thoughts and these fears about her driving to work, or

741
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 3: even as silly as like when I got a puppy,

742
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 3: is our puppy in the crate gonna be okay tonight?

743
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:24,240
Speaker 3: Is he thirsty?

744
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 2: You have some anxiety issues.

745
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 3: I have some anxiety issues. And I'm just starting to

746
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 3: figure this out for the first time in my life,

747
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 3: mostly because I started talking to my some my mentor

748
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 3: and my growth coach whatever, gonna call him about this,

749
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 3: and he's like, you have some anxiety issues, and when

750
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 3: you have a baby, this is going to only increase

751
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 3: because you're gonna have a little human that you're like literally.

752
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 2: Responsible for every single thing.

753
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 3: So that's a fear of mine, is how does that

754
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 3: play out? What does that look like?

755
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 4: I think that's the hardest part.

756
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 2: Yeah too, I mean do you know what it is.

757
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 2: It's one of those things that I think I'm the

758
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 2: opposite of you in that regard. Like I I hate

759
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 2: to say it, I don't think about anything. I don't know.

760
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 2: I mean maybe I do and I just don't realize it.

761
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 2: But I think that Kanyon thinks. Kanyon is probably more

762
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: like you in that regard, Like she really thinks about everything, you.

763
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 3: See, Jessica doesn't like.

764
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,760
Speaker 2: So I think I think jess and I are probably

765
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 2: justin and I like you and Kanyon like in that regard.

766
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 2: But I think that's what makes a good parenting team.

767
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 2: Like you know, if you're both obsessing over every little detail,

768
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 2: what a disaster for that child, right, you got one

769
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 2: of us going back off, you know, I mean Kenyon

770
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 2: and I. I will say this, like Kanyon and I

771
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 2: have the most honest relationship I've ever had in my life.

772
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 2: And I've been married a lot. No. No, but you

773
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 2: know I say that joking, but you know, the first

774
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 2: one kind of counted, no, But it's true. Like I

775
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 2: think about it, like I never fought with my access,

776
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: I never argue with him because I love them and

777
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 2: I cared about them, and we got along and I'm

778
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 2: not saying I didn't care enough, but I the stakes

779
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 2: were what the stakes were, and it was like, does

780
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 2: it matter if I win this argument?

781
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 3: A f f it?

782
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 2: You know. Now we and it's been like this since

783
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 2: our at the beginning of a relationship, though before we

784
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 2: had children, i'd be like, so honest, that was painful

785
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 2: for me because I hate confrontation. So i'd be like,

786
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 2: you know, uh yeah, I call you Canyon because I

787
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 2: dated a girl named Jessica. In fact, i'm still dating her.

788
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 2: She used on an Oscan and my co host is

789
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 2: Jessica and she introduced us, and I just can't keep

790
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 2: it straight in my head sometimes because I, you know,

791
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: I think you're all kind of cute. So I'm just

792
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: gonna call you Kenyan, and Kenya is like, okay, I'm like,

793
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 2: what the hell? Why is she actually not fighting with me?

794
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 2: And but it was like we like she was so

795
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 2: comfortable and confident in her own skin that I couldn't

796
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 2: I didn't want to not just give her all the

797
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: chips on the table. Like so when I think about

798
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: like relationships and I think about things like like she's

799
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 2: the one person who I can honestly say, like you

800
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 2: could bring up anything for my past and I'd go, oh, yeah,

801
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 2: she knows that one. That's a funny one. Remember this one?

802
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I know that one. Like it was

803
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 2: like one of these things. But what I love about

804
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 2: it is that for our future, it also kind of

805
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 2: sets the stakes in a certain way as well, like

806
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 2: I can trust her with anything. And we kind of

807
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 2: touched on it tonight when I said, when we were

808
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 2: having our second child, my my biggest fear, which was

809
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 2: do I have enough love in me to give to

810
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 2: another kid? You know, like I've never loved anyone the

811
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 2: way I love Grayson are firstborn, and now here's coming

812
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 2: this second child. Holy shit, it's a boy. Do I

813
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 2: have enough love for another little boy? I don't know

814
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 2: if I can do it. And I was really doubting

815
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 2: myself and I didn't because I was, you know, I'm old,

816
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 2: and I'm like, what the hell, I don't even know

817
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 2: if I have this capability, And trust me, you do.

818
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 2: It's amazing how much I love Blake as well. But

819
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, I think having that self out

820
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 2: and having having the ability to kind of like look

821
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,439
Speaker 2: within and challenge yourself a little bit, you already beat

822
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 2: the system. The guys they have to worry about that

823
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: stuff for the guys who don't think about it. The

824
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 2: fact that you're thinking about it, God bless you, dude,

825
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 2: and your your family and your wife and your children

826
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 2: are going to be so much better for it because

827
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 2: you're thinking about it. Like, at the end of the day,

828
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 2: I don't know what the right answer is, because clearly

829
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 2: I don't know anything.

830
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 4: In the world that you worry less about being an Higgins.

831
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 2: No, Ben Higgins is the most sincere and thoughtful and

832
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 2: kind person.

833
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 4: For a long time, and I have not one ounce

834
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,919
Speaker 4: of concern about you being the ultimate dad.

835
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 3: Not even I wore my dad's sweater and I hoping you.

836
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 4: Say that he's also wearing loafers, and.

837
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 2: So I want to say this, I so agree with you, sugar.

838
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 2: So one of the nicest compliments I ever got in

839
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 2: my life was when I would say we're having a baby,

840
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 2: and there, oh, you're going to be the greatest dad.

841
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: I I feel like it's almost an embarrassment that people

842
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 2: would say that to me now that you're having a kid,

843
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 2: because I and I do feel like I'm a really

844
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 2: good dad and I'm super hands on and I care,

845
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 2: and I'm I'm but Ben, You're just You're just You've

846
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,959
Speaker 2: been built to be a dad dad, and you're.

847
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 4: An old soul. You're also about that tonight with all

848
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 4: the golden ladies.

849
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,280
Speaker 2: But I said that to you when you wrote your book,

850
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 2: and I remember calling you and I were on the phone.

851
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 2: It was it was kind of during the whole Harrison

852
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 2: thing and you and I were talking, and I remember

853
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,439
Speaker 2: saying to you, I was like, dude, you're just such

854
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: an old soul, like I feel like he's an og

855
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 2: even though you're ten years.

856
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:37,919
Speaker 4: After me, you are the oldest thirty.

857
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're I And that's the nicest compliment that I

858
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 2: do so I can give you.

859
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 3: I take it as a complement. Yeah, I mean credit

860
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 3: to my family too, Like credit to my friends and

861
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 3: my family who always, no matter what was happening, pulled

862
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 3: me back to reality, give me perspective. And I think

863
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 3: that's a gift, just always having the best of people

864
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 3: around you, two to speak into you, to hold you accountable,

865
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 3: to celebrate you. And that's the best thing. And it's

866
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 3: been the best part of this show too, is you know,

867
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 3: coming off the show, not everybody's awesome, A lot of

868
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 3: people are. I'd say most are, but to find the

869
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 3: few that are like just good rocks to surround yourself with.

870
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 4: And Ben, what about when we started this podcast, Like

871
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 4: we started this podcast on like this a very sad

872
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 4: day for you, And how many years has it been?

873
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 4: Eight nine?

874
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 3: Can we started this podcast in the day that not

875
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 3: strategically that the relationship was I remember, yeah, Amy was

876
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 3: seeing dollar signs, I.

877
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 4: Was, but I knew your heart was so broken the

878
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 4: day we started. And thank God for Ashley who really

879
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 4: like she's been such a best dye to you, you

880
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 4: know what I mean, But like your heart was broken

881
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 4: when we started this podcast, and to be with you

882
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 4: over this many years to see your heart mend. It

883
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 4: healed in front of my eyes, It grew in front

884
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 4: of my eyes, it filled up, just filled it up

885
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 4: like to such a bigger than it was before. And

886
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 4: now like this is your dream.

887
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's cool.

888
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 4: It's just like and I'm excited for the next eight

889
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 4: years to see you and what happens. And I hope

890
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 4: everyone comes on that ride with you because they are

891
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 4: in it with you.

892
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 3: Like it's wild. It's wild to think that we started

893
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 3: this as two single humans and soon we'll have three

894
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 3: kids a part of.

895
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 4: This show, and I eat my words every day. When

896
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 4: Ashley would call me or call me asking me to

897
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 4: do something for Jared. This is way before they were together.

898
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 4: She'd be like, let's get Jared tickets of this, and

899
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 4: I'm like, Ashley, this guy's not treating you, and she's

900
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 4: she just knew. I have such respect for Ashley because

901
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 4: she loved him, and she was like, I am going

902
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 4: to be patient.

903
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 2: I remember feeling that way them to look at her.

904
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 4: I mean, if I couldn't eat my words more, she

905
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 4: you know, sugarman.

906
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 2: I remember because I didn't know either one of them,

907
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 2: but I knew him from the show. I knew you,

908
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 2: and I knew others. But I remember thinking, why is

909
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 2: she keep lining herself up for this? She was now

910
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 2: he is so committed and devoted.

911
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 4: So obsessed in love with her, and it's just like wow,

912
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 4: she knew she was getting down her guy.

913
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's wild. Well, it's an exciting time for the

914
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 3: Almost Famis podcast. I appreciate you both. I love you both.

915
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,959
Speaker 4: Thanks for letting me jump in because I love this show.

916
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 2: We had to do a producer sash Yeah.

917
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 4: Sometimes and then I'll get a lot of hate mash.

918
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 2: How would you ever get hat.

919
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 3: She has her own podcast?

920
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 4: Now I have too.

921
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 2: Can I tell quick Sugarman story before we bring up please?

922
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 2: So I want to say this, and I know you

923
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 2: know this story, but here's why I love Sugarman so much,

924
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 2: and I would follow her into fire, I swear to

925
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 2: God so uh many many years ago. Do you mind

926
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: me telling this story? Do you want to say?

927
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 4: I have to remember it. I known Bob for so long.

928
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 2: It's so when I had just come off The Bachelor,

929
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 2: and Amy Sugarman was the booking coordinator and all the

930
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 2: other things you did for the seacrest stuff, and I

931
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 2: was getting sued by the Bachelor franchise. Can I talk

932
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 2: about this?

933
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 4: Of course?

934
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 2: Of course, this is why I love Amy Sugarman so much.

935
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: This is one of the many reasons. But and Amy

936
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 2: was always my friend, and she would book me for

937
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 2: many years after this with band from TV and all

938
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 2: the other things we would do. But at that time,

939
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 2: I was being sued by the Bachelor franchise and I

940
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 2: wasn't allowed to talk about the reason why they had

941
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 2: me on the show in the first place, which was

942
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 2: my music career and The only way I could talk

943
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 2: about it is if the host brought it up. It

944
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 2: was in it was in us, like Lee Order and

945
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 2: I and I just I have to talk about this

946
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 2: because you're on the show with me right now. So

947
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 2: I would go on all these shows and they all knew,

948
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 2: they were all my friends, the hosts and stuff, and

949
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 2: no one would ever bring it up. So we would

950
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 2: talk about the Bachelor, you know, never talk about anything else.

951
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 2: I'd go on Seacrest and he would go and first

952
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 2: of all, to have Ryan Seacrest bring up your music

953
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 2: career was a big deal, right, and Seacrest would go, well,

954
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 2: hold on, hold on, let's talk about your music career. So,

955
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 2: I mean, you've been doing this for a really long time,

956
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 2: and you know, and I'm like Amy Sugarman, and I

957
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 2: knew it was always Amy Sugarman, and I loved you

958
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 2: so much for it. You could have called me to

959
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 2: do anything and I would do it. But I was

960
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: always like man and I and I've said it to

961
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 2: anyone who will listen for many years. I'm like, you know,

962
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 2: when you make friends in Hollywood, it's very rare, but

963
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 2: when you make friends in Hollywood, it will actually stick

964
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: up for you, when you're getting your ass kicked, it's

965
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,919
Speaker 2: like it's it's an unbelievable feeling, because when you feel

966
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 2: like you're getting attacked, it's a really lonely place, you know,

967
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 2: especially when you're from the Midwest and all of a

968
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 2: sudden you're in LA and you know, and and I

969
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 2: just appreciate you and thank you for you know, creating

970
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 2: this for all of us, and thanks for giving us

971
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 2: a space, but thanks for always having our back because

972
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 2: a lot of people didn't and you did, and so

973
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 2: I love you for that. So thank you.

974
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 3: Do you remember that?

975
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, Ben, I ever remember the same moments

976
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 4: with you in tears and you having the same thing

977
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 4: that happened to Bob, and y'all just.

978
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 2: Stick together, we sure do.

979
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 4: You just stick it out.

980
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 3: You know. I didn't even know Ben until next time.

981
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 3: I've been Ben, I've been.

982
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 4: Bob, I've been Amy.

983
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,960
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984
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,239
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