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Speaker 2: And we are back. I am Dale Lolly, he is

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Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson and uh well it's the top of

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Speaker 2: do a little fantasy football here, but change things up,

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Speaker 3: A little bit, right, Such a weird fantasy week.

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Speaker 2: It really is. And there's no sense in talking to

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Speaker 2: let's get into a little draft conversation here on the

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Speaker 2: thirty third team. Ian Valentino has put together a little

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Speaker 2: first round mock draft here. Let's see where we're at here.

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Speaker 3: Stuff that could shake up the top of the draft

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Speaker 3: though this.

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Speaker 2: Week, absolutely so. Right now, the Patriots have the number

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Speaker 3: They want quarterbacks to shine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is where it's going to get interesting for

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think somebody only takes one, and I think

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Speaker 2: So he has the Patriots taking Mason Graham, the defensive

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Speaker 3: But he has any options not up to him until he's.

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Speaker 2: Right until he gets out of your contract, right right? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: At fourteen, Arizona takes Kenneth Grant, the defensive tackle from Michigan.

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Speaker 2: Joe here you go. Here's stay happy. Worked. Defense is

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Speaker 2: At seventeen, Atlanta takes Mike Green, the edge marsh edge

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Speaker 2: At twenty two, the Chargers take Shamar Stewart to defensive

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Speaker 2: At twenty five, he has the Steelers taking Caleb Johnson,

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Speaker 2: At twenty six, the Commanders take Isaiah Bond, the wide

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Speaker 3: And I'm not saying he's the perfect fifth of the

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Speaker 3: I don't think they're going to be in that market.

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Speaker 3: At twenty sixth they need No. One.

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Speaker 2: Twenty seven the Ravens take Will Campbell, the offensive lineman

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Speaker 2: Twenty eight the Eagles take Jonah s. Yeah. I can't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I mean they always take lineman before they

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Speaker 2: Twenty nine the Bills take mikeel Williams, the address rut

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Edge, They've invested a lot of those guys, but

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Speaker 3: Byron Murphy's had a really good year for them, and

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Speaker 2: That would make some sense for the Steelers too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it looks like a decent corner draft too. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: At thirty one, the Lions take Princely. Here we go again, Uman,

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Speaker 2: I haven't watched Ole Miss. I watched Ole Miss once

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Speaker 2: no sound. That's my drift. And so Princely Uman, Melon, Uman,

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Speaker 3: And that's to the Lions. To the Lions, Yeah, they're

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Speaker 2: And then it's thirty two. The Kansas City Chiefs take

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Speaker 2: Malekai Starks, the safety out of Georgia.

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Speaker 3: People talk about him like he's one of the best

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Speaker 2: There's some good safeties in this draft.

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Speaker 2: I like to get from from Notre Dame too. That

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Speaker 2: corner two. Yeah he got hurt too. Yeah, Yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're playing as we speak.

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Speaker 2: But this is a good defensive tackle draft. It's a

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Speaker 2: good running back draft. Very I don't know that the

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Speaker 3: It's always never going to be lacking. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 3: you know. Now, the type of thing I mean, like

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Speaker 3: this draft, this rookie class is ridiculous. We get quarterback,

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Speaker 2: There's some interesting body types too. At the defense. You

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's like six seven to ninety, right. You

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Speaker 3: You know that. I would love to dip my toe

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Speaker 3: Need to start here. We see what start getting on

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Speaker 2: Se and you know, if you're looking for a true nose,

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that are pretty much starters. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's where you found Javon Hargrave.

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Speaker 2: He contributed early. So if you want to move Keanu

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Speaker 3: you get both in this draft. Maybe it's Lowry on

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Speaker 3: those guys would prohibit you from taking a great player,

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Speaker 2: And again, if you can move, that's the move you move.

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Speaker 3: Okay, No, I totally get it right.

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Speaker 2: If he has some passwords, he still have montrevious Adams

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Speaker 2: that you can play, you know.

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Speaker 3: Sure, and don't Joe background who knows. Interesting.

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Speaker 2: That's where we're at right now as we sit here

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Speaker 2: on January second. We haven't dug completely into this ship.

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Speaker 2: I'm really in parliament preliminary research on stuff.

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Speaker 3: I'm just learning the names and you know that type

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Speaker 2: Got to pronounce them.

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Speaker 3: Every year.

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Speaker 2: I got a new mouth this year. This does not

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Speaker 2: make this any easier, Like, come on, keep meeting these guys.

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Speaker 2: I mean, where the John Smith's at?

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Speaker 3: You know, ninety percent of these dudes I've read about it,

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Speaker 2: Even when I'm like watching tape of guys I'm not

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Speaker 2: not like Rob. Where Rob has to go? I got

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Speaker 3: Like he's a real nerd. About that he is, He's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get to another break. That's going to do

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Speaker 2: it for the Ian Valentino mock draft first run. Well

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Speaker 2: the Senior Bowl, and at the end of this month,

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Speaker 2: well we'll be on to a really good idea of

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Speaker 2: a lot of different guys here. We'll get to talk

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Speaker 2: to some of them down there. But he is Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 2: I am Dale, Lollie. You're listening to the Drive here

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Speaker 2: on the Steelers Audio Network, Matt and now will be

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Speaker 2: back with more right after this.

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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with and Matt Williamson on your twenty

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Speaker 2: Ah, welcome back. I am Dale, Lolly. He is the

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson and except no imitations, and this is the

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Speaker 2: Drive on the Steelers Audio Network. And Matt, I thought

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Speaker 2: we'd take a look here at the efficiency ratings now

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Speaker 2: on ESPN after the with one game left for everybody

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Speaker 2: at this point right now, Detroit still number one.

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Speaker 3: And they put a lot of money in the bank,

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Speaker 2: They're no longer number one in offense, which is kind

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Speaker 3: Who's passed them, Baltimore.

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Speaker 2: Baltimore's moved back into number one on offense.

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Speaker 3: I am surprised Detroit's on one on offense. I think

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Speaker 2: They're twelfth on so really good team, twelfth on defense,

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Speaker 3: Okay, the Steelers are first, are they? Yeah? I didn't

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Speaker 2: Number two is Buffalo.

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Speaker 3: They must be well rounded though.

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Speaker 2: Third on offense, eleventh on defense, thirteenth on special teams.

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Speaker 3: I don't think their defense is great either, though.

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Speaker 2: No, you can run on them.

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Speaker 3: You can run on them. They're not super physical, live

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Speaker 2: Okay, Minnesota's three tenth on offense, first on defense, ninth

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Speaker 3: Okay, I think that passes the sniff.

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Speaker 2: Est to me as much as they're first on defense,

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Speaker 3: No, I don't think there's a great defense in the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's really tough to play defense in

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Speaker 3: It is it is. I'm not sure that even be

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Speaker 3: I think Philly is playing like the best defense.

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Speaker 2: Fourth on offense, second on d defense, twenty third on

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Speaker 3: Didn't known special teams was something that's an issue for them,

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Speaker 2: The Ravens are fifth, first on offense, fourteenth on defense,

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Speaker 2: Then you have Kansas City ninth on offense, eighth on defense,

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Speaker 2: twelfth on special teams.

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Speaker 3: Pretty solid. I think the offense is getting better and better.

444
00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:29,800
Speaker 2: The Packers come in after that, eighth on offense, seventh

445
00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:31,679
Speaker 2: on defense, fourteenth on special teams.

446
00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,199
Speaker 3: You'll take it. Still a little bit of star power lacking.

447
00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,120
Speaker 3: Then the Chargers bet their defense is high.

448
00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:44,119
Speaker 2: Eleventh on offense, fifth on defense, eleventh on special teams.

449
00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,040
Speaker 3: The eleventh on offense doesn't quite pass a stiff ted

450
00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,280
Speaker 3: does not. No, I would say it's average. I wouldn't

451
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Speaker 3: say it's above average. Yeah.

452
00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:56,920
Speaker 2: The Commanders then are next, sixth on offense, nineteenth on defense,

453
00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:58,080
Speaker 2: tenth on special teams.

454
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Speaker 3: Their defense is really worrying. Me for a playoff. And

455
00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:02,399
Speaker 3: I'm also not sure that the offense is going to

456
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Speaker 3: be the sixth best offense in the.

457
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Speaker 2: Playoff either, you know, and you're playing good people, and.

458
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,440
Speaker 3: Right, how well do you run the ball over and over?

459
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Speaker 3: And then I'm not talking about the Daniel stuff. You know,

460
00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:12,160
Speaker 3: just you're running.

461
00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,480
Speaker 2: You're running like when you line up to run the football.

462
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Speaker 3: And like we just said that mock. They took another receiver.

463
00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,040
Speaker 3: You're like, the Kias is a good player. He's been

464
00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,400
Speaker 3: impressive to me. But if that's your number two receivers,

465
00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,720
Speaker 3: like that's a little lacking on the playoff caliber team.

466
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Speaker 2: Uh, Tampa Bay next at ten.

467
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Speaker 3: They're gonna be heavy on offensive.

468
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,800
Speaker 2: Seventh on offense, twenty second on defense, third on special teams.

469
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Speaker 2: You would think the offense might be higher than that.

470
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Speaker 3: I thought it'd be even high. I thought'd be like

471
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Speaker 3: top five, and I thought the defense might even be

472
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Speaker 3: low there.

473
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the way their offense is playing, like if you're

474
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Speaker 2: if we were going to rank the offenses how they're

475
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Speaker 2: playing right now.

476
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Speaker 3: Pretty strong, it'd be pretty good. Yeah, I'd be up there.

477
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Speaker 3: I guess one thing about the defense I didn't consider

478
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Speaker 3: is there's just so many garbage teams that if you're

479
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Speaker 3: twenty second and you're a playoff caliber team, there's eight

480
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Speaker 3: that are.

481
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Speaker 2: Just horrendous, you know.

482
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Speaker 3: Right.

483
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:05,480
Speaker 2: Then you have the Steelers eighteenth on offense, sixth on defense.

484
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Speaker 3: First sex attempts, and first on teams. Yeah, okay, gotta

485
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Speaker 3: get that offense up. Defense needs to get back to

486
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Speaker 3: where it was. But these things are all capable. Yeah.

487
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Speaker 2: Then you have Denver, their defense to be really nineteenth

488
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:24,640
Speaker 2: on offense, third on defense, fifth on special teams. Well coached,

489
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,440
Speaker 2: So they're worse on offense, a little bit better on defense,

490
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Speaker 2: and worse on special teams.

491
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Speaker 3: I don't love their offense, but I thought it was

492
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Speaker 3: a little higher than that.

493
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Speaker 2: Cincinnati then comes in next fifth on offense, twenty ninth

494
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,199
Speaker 2: on defense in eighteenth and.

495
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Speaker 3: Special teams tells the whole story.

496
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's exactly where they're at. Then you have Houston.

497
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Speaker 3: I like their defense a lot.

498
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Speaker 2: Twenty second on offense, it might be.

499
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Speaker 3: The most disappointing offense in the league.

500
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Speaker 2: Twenty second when you look like people are complaining about

501
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Speaker 2: the Steelers offense, Yeah, Houston's offense is twenty second when

502
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Speaker 2: you look.

503
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Speaker 3: At like preseason expectations and where they were. He's not

504
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Speaker 3: twenty second and you added Diggs and it's supposed to

505
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Speaker 3: be a top ten offense, right, and there's been some

506
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 3: mixes not that. Yeah, you can't just blame injuries. What

507
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:17,880
Speaker 3: were they on defense?

508
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 2: When I say fourth on defense, fifteenth on special teams?

509
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 3: Okay, I do like their defense a lot.

510
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 2: The Rams thirteenth on offense, eighteenth on defense, twenty fifth

511
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Speaker 2: on special teams. I would have thought their offense would

512
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 2: be a little higher, but they've had some.

513
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Speaker 3: I say, I think if you just did the splits

514
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 3: of when Nakua Cup William Stafford are out there, it's

515
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,679
Speaker 3: probably much better. It's near the top, but more so

516
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Speaker 3: than most teams.

517
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Speaker 2: Seattle is sixteenth, twenty first on offense, he's pretty good,

518
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 2: ninth on defense, nineteenth on teams.

519
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 3: Leonard Williams is a name I was thinking of that

520
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 3: should have been Pro Bowl or didn't get. Yeah, yeah,

521
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 3: I think he should have went for sure.

522
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Speaker 2: So if we were ranked the playoff teams, you get Detroit, Buffalo, Minnesota, Philadelphia, Baltimore,

523
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:13,159
Speaker 2: Kansas City, Green Bay. The Chargers are in Washington, is

524
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh, is in Houston, is in the Rams are in.

525
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 3: Okay, well, yeah, just a couple of spots left right,

526
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Speaker 3: We do not have an NFC South winner. We don't

527
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Speaker 3: know that yet. Tampa Bay right now is tenth in

528
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 3: power rankings, so we have there. If we're Atlanta, you

529
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 3: mentioned them.

530
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,640
Speaker 2: Yet, Atlanta is eighteenth.

531
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Speaker 3: What's whether they're splits? I bet they're dth pretty.

532
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 2: Bad, fifteenth on offense, twentieth on defense, twenty seventh on

533
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Speaker 2: special teams.

534
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 3: A team like that shouldn't be bad on special teams,

535
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 3: you know, like I don't know, I mean the young

536
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 3: coaching staff, I guess, but is that the only remaining

537
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 3: NFC spot? We know the other six right? Yes, everyone

538
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 3: else has been eliminated.

539
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 2: If you're looking at the remaining spots in the AFC, well,

540
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 2: Denver is twelfth right now, Cincinnati's thirteenth.

541
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Speaker 3: Denver's had a better year. Yeah. Where's Miami?

542
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:16,360
Speaker 2: Miami is seventeenth, sixteenth on offense, tenth on defense, thirtieth

543
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 2: on special teams.

544
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 3: I know, special teams in a problem and this year. Yeah,

545
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 3: or that's how they're built too. Who else is in it?

546
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 3: I think that's it?

547
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 2: That's it?

548
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay. According according to the their list is pretty strong.

549
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, yeah, according to the Again, this is

550
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 2: the ESPN's FPI Analytics ratings. Who do you think the

551
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 2: worst team in the NFL is right now?

552
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 3: Giants?

553
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 2: Not even close. They're twenty eighth Browns Cleveland.

554
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 3: Browns say, I think they weight offense pretty heavy, thirty.

555
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 2: Second on offense, twenty first on defense, and twentieth on

556
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 2: special teams. They are bad across the board, but.

557
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 3: Were the special teams twentieth. I know they have kicker problems.

558
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 3: At least they must. They have to wait offense. I

559
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 3: think they weighed pretty heavy, heavier than the defense, lot

560
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 3: of them. Second, is the Browns defense disappointing this year?

561
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 3: I can kind of make an offense a conversation for both.

562
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 2: Well, here's the problem, there's so much and this is

563
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,679
Speaker 2: what happens with the Steeler defense as well. Yeah, the

564
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 2: same thing. And Arthur Smith mentioned this at his press

565
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 2: conference yesterday, like, look, everything goes hand in hand, like.

566
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 3: It's awful tough to be with the thirty second offense

567
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 3: if you're the defense for seventeen games.

568
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Speaker 2: For example. In the last couple of weeks, we've seen

569
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Speaker 2: this in Steeler games, including last week. The Steelers get

570
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 2: the ball. On the opening possession, they get the Chiefs

571
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 2: to punt punts down at the one yard liner, two

572
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 2: yard line, whatever it was. The offense doesn't generate a

573
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 2: first down, kicks the ball, gives it right back and

574
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 2: on the return they force a fumble that rolls forward

575
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 2: ten yards. Yeah, and they get the ball. You're giving

576
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 2: the Chiefs offense the ball to forty two.

577
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And it's not much different than them hitting

578
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 3: a long pass on third down before and not punning,

579
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 3: you know, right, and the defense did nothing wrong, and

580
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 3: you're right back out.

581
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 2: You're giving Patrick Mahomes the ball at the forty two.

582
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,239
Speaker 2: He actually gained yards from where they punted it at right.

583
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 3: He's like, oh, this is great. Right, last time I

584
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 3: was on the field, we were in a lot worse shape.

585
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 3: It's like I hit a loan ball now one hundred percent.

586
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,439
Speaker 3: Like I think the Browns are a perfect example, Like

587
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 3: they have a lot of problems, but it wouldn't be man.

588
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 3: We could go back to the drawing board on defense,

589
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 3: I would at least roll that back. Let's just possess

590
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 3: the ball a little bit, have competent quarterback play. The

591
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,360
Speaker 3: defense might not be top five or wherever it ended

592
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,479
Speaker 3: up in DVOA or these rankings a year ago. But

593
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 3: they almost have no chance to succeed none, yeah, I

594
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 3: mean none. You're as bad as that offense has been. Yeah,

595
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 3: if you're just constantly punning. What's a quick exercise, like,

596
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 3: who are the bottom five offenses? And I wonder do

597
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 3: we think their defenses are disappointing this year? The bottom

598
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 3: five offense, it seems like probably the Patriots that just

599
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 3: don't have good players period.

600
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 2: The Patriots are twenty eight.

601
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 3: Okay, the Giants, what's their defense at thirty first? And

602
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 3: that adds up. I mean they just need everything.

603
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 2: The Giants are twenty nine. They're twenty eighth on defense.

604
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 3: But they weren't like when the Steelers played them, Remember

605
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 3: they were like the best pass rushing unit. And Lawrence

606
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 3: that's another one that's probably just on the field for

607
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 3: too many months in a row, yeah months.

608
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 2: The Titans are thirtieth on offense, are twenty third on defense.

609
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 2: I think that's a but that's I think it's a

610
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 2: talented I get some talent on the least.

611
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 3: The middle of the row defense, but they're on the

612
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 3: field too too much exactly. I mean that's exactly what

613
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 3: That's why I want to do this.

614
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 2: The Raiders are the outlier here. They're thirty first on offense,

615
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 2: they're sixteenth on defense. But he's a defensive coach, he is, and.

616
00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 3: Like EPA and Dvoa, they've been skyrocketing up the boards lately,

617
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 3: and I think it's because they played the Saints and

618
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,959
Speaker 3: that doesn't hurt. The last couple of weeks have been

619
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 3: really I mean, they did them.

620
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 2: The last couple weeks have been kind to them, and

621
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 2: they've been playing without their best player, even.

622
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 3: Without Crossley, Yeah, which is a feather in their cap.

623
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 3: The defense is still playing. Harden's defensive mining coach and

624
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 3: all that. But like, I wouldn't look at their defensive

625
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 3: offseason and think, oh, we're good.

626
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 2: They might.

627
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 3: They might because they have so many other things, especially

628
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 3: a quarterback.

629
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 2: But then you get the Browns at thirty two and

630
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 2: their twenty first.

631
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Speaker 3: On the defense. So there's some decent defenses there. They're

632
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 3: just being really brought down by offenses not being able

633
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 3: to do anything.

634
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 2: If you look at this, Houston is twenty second offensively

635
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 2: fourth on defense.

636
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 3: It's hard to have that kind of split. Yeah, it's

637
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 3: easy to have the other kind of split, the Bengal

638
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 3: kind of split. Right.

639
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Steelers or the Seahawks are twenty first on

640
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 2: offense ninth on defense.

641
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 3: Which adds up their defense is pretty good.

642
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 2: Denver is eight nineteenth on offense, third and defense. Steelers

643
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 2: are eighteenth on offense, sixth in defense.

644
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 3: But I bet Denver I don't know this, but I

645
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 3: bet they have a good time posession because then they

646
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 3: control the football. Well. I mean, maybe they're not the

647
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 3: most explosive offense, but I don't think their style of

648
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 3: play hurts their defense.

649
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 2: If you look at it from the other perspective. The

650
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 2: teams that have the really good offenses Baltimore first and

651
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 2: offense fourteenth in defense.

652
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 3: But trending the other way. And now though I bet.

653
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 2: There should be that way though, because they run the

654
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 2: crap out of the ball.

655
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 3: Oh, they're so complimentary.

656
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 2: There's no reason. There was no reason for them to

657
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 2: be in the twenties before. No, No, when you possessed

658
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 2: the football, you're running for over almost two hundred yards

659
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 2: of a game, and you're giving giving it up left

660
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 2: and right.

661
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that was the defensive deficiency. Yes, you know,

662
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 3: the first half of the season Detroit. And the thing

663
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 3: about them too is their special teams are hurting them too.

664
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Detroit is second, their twelfth in defense,

665
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 2: but that's injuries that's going the other like.

666
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing is they're just so decimated. It

667
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 3: does sound like they might get some people back, like Angelone,

668
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 3: Montgomery's now far some of their injuries are trending the

669
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Speaker 3: right way.

670
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 2: Buffalo is third, but eleventh in defense.

671
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Speaker 3: I'm not sure they're eleventh best defense. I don't really

672
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 3: think they're do it. I mean I think they benefit

673
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 3: from playing with the lead a lot.

674
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. Philadelphia is fourth, second defense. Yeah really again, they run,

675
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 2: but they run the ball a lot a lot. Cincinnati

676
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 2: fifth on offense, twenty ninth on defense.

677
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the way. It's really hard to win.

678
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 2: Washington six and nineteen.

679
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Speaker 3: And that doesn't surprise either. I mean that's a new

680
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 3: staff that this doesn't have a ton of great defensive

681
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 3: players now either.

682
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 2: So, I mean they do go hand in handy. Absolutely,

683
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 2: it absolutely works hand in hand. And if you're going

684
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 2: to you've got to possess the football offensively, You've got

685
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 2: to move the ball, even if you're kicking field goals.

686
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 2: You're still giving your defense time to rest.

687
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Speaker 3: And that's been the biggest thing. Two things I've really

688
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 3: harped on this week when I look at this game

689
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 3: or the state of the Steelers is the long week,

690
00:30:55,640 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 3: which leads to health and better prep time, your ability

691
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 3: to attack your issues. You know, some of the things

692
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 3: they've had problems with, bunch motion and things like that too.

693
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 3: Now you have more time to practice it and maybe

694
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 3: even get the different people in there, and time possession,

695
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 3: you know, I mean to me, those are the things

696
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 3: that everything else will fall into place once you kind

697
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 3: of get with those things. Right the ship right, the

698
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 3: ship there, you know, like they caused fumbles, but they

699
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 3: don't fall on them. Well, that's his bad luck. I mean,

700
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 3: keep causing, just keep doing what you're doing, and if

701
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 3: your offense possesses the football a little bit more and

702
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 3: you're a little well rested, you'll get your share of

703
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 3: fumble recovery. Okay, Like that stuff's coming. You know.

704
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 2: I saw the one that they forced watched hard knocks last.

705
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 3: Night, the one that hit off the helmet to like

706
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 3: this is bonkers right right.

707
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 2: Like that ball is shooting towards the entire Steelers defense

708
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 2: or coverage unit. As they're coming down the field, they

709
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 2: can see the ball coming out.

710
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 3: They make a great play and they're right.

711
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 2: They're ready to you know they're going to fall on

712
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 2: this because they get their eyes on the ball coming

713
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 2: out and it's hits a Chiefs guy in the back

714
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: of the helmet and bounces backwards and their guys falls

715
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 2: on it.

716
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 3: And if that happens a week four, you might not

717
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 3: think about it again because you're possessing the football and

718
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 3: you run the ball, and you're not playing the best

719
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 3: team in the league. And you know, but in a

720
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 3: game like that, when times are tough, it's like, yeah,

721
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 3: and you need it most. So there's a bad luck.

722
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 2: Too, Yeah, a little bad luck there. But you know,

723
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 2: they've done a pretty good job of actually getting on

724
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 2: the balls for the most part this season.

725
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 3: No, I think they swarmed the ball well.

726
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 2: Last few games have not gone their way.

727
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 3: But those kinds of things correct themselves.

728
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 2: Most of the time. When we've seen in the Ravens game,

729
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 2: and we've seen it now in the in the Chiefs game.

730
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 2: Most of the time on a on a punt return,

731
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: when you hit the hit the return guy, the ball

732
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 2: goes backwards. It doesn't go forward.

733
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't get it.

734
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 2: Both instances the ball went forward, Like it's just weird.

735
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 3: And I also think things like that. I mean, everyone

736
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 3: knows about the ball isn't round it bounce is funny

737
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 3: for everyone and all those things. But when you're a

738
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 3: little fresh, sure, when you've had the football, more bounces

739
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 3: start to go your way. You know, like, oh you

740
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 3: thirty four minutes to the time of possession. Well, the

741
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 3: defense doesn't quite get to the ball as well as

742
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 3: they because they're tired. You know, those type of.

743
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 2: Things that went against the Chiefs. They were like five

744
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 2: steel They were like five Steelers right there.

745
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 3: I know, I think they all right back to.

746
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 2: The one chief that was there.

747
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 3: Like the angle they showed on hard knocks, Like did

748
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 3: not get that, Like that's crazy.

749
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 2: There was one dude there went one right to him,

750
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 2: right back to them. Yeah yeah, yeah, I thought the

751
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 2: same thing. But of course I remember that it would

752
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 2: have been a massive play in that game. They would

753
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 2: have the ball inside to ten.

754
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 3: And going back. I mean, you can frame things a lot,

755
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,959
Speaker 3: and hard Knocks has just trying to and drum up

756
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 3: you know, viewership and all those things. But the way

757
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 3: they laid out that Chiefs game. It's like, oh oh,

758
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 3: you know, like like man, that was rough and when

759
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 3: it happened and the friar Mouth fumble and oh yeah,

760
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 3: and you know they weren't the better team that day,

761
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 3: but it was some self inflicted stuff.

762
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 2: There's again, even with the friar Mouth fumble, you gave

763
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 2: the Chiefs a field the one team elite you can't

764
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: give a short field to yep, and you gave them

765
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 2: short field twice. That's how you end up losing.

766
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 3: Started on the forty two yard line after you give

767
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 3: gotten them down right, you.

768
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 2: Give him fourteen points because he gave him the ball

769
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 2: in scoring range twice.

770
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Speaker 3: Mahone's just smiling ear to ear with that like a

771
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 3: butcher's dog. Yeah.

772
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 2: So anyways, let's get to a break. He is the

773
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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the

774
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 2: Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt and I'll

775
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 2: be back to finish up the show right after this.

776
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 3: At least.

777
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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

778
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven Home of the Black and

779
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 3: There's a couple of history Anyway, anyway, back to the show.

781
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 3: I did that last week too. Yeah, you know, they

782
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,959
Speaker 3: hit record and I'm just babbling away here, what a

783
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 3: crap or dalking them up like.

784
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 2: This was live radio or something. Man, right, right, So, anyways,

785
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 2: looking at this Cincinnati Bengals team. They've won four in

786
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 2: a row, the four wins coming over Dallas without Dak Prescott.

787
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Tennessee with that, Levis Levis Yeah, yeah, either way,

788
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 3: they're not a good team.

789
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. They beat the Browns twenty four to six dtr

790
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 2: and then they just beat the Broncos, and the Broncos

791
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 2: might be their best win of the year. It's easily

792
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 2: their best win of the year. They only win this

793
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 2: season over a team with a winning record. They're one

794
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 2: in seven in games against teams with a five hundred

795
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 2: or better record.

796
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 3: There's some distinct things there with this season. We talked

797
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 3: about a lot of last.

798
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 2: Time around with the Bengals, but wow, and in those

799
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 2: games against teams with a five hundred or better record,

800
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 2: they've given up thirty four points a game. They've scored

801
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: twenty nine. Yeah, they've given up thirty four.

802
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. The stuff that the NFL put out about, you know,

803
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 3: they dug into this real heavy of the split verse

804
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 3: teams with winning records versus not is really distinct for

805
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 3: this team, and there's a lot, I mean, every team

806
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 3: has a story of you know, the Steelers is very

807
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 3: obvious when they went from fields to Wilson, et cetera,

808
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,479
Speaker 3: et cetera. The Bengals have kind of been this team

809
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 3: sixteen games.

810
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 2: True, they are.

811
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 3: I mean the offense is and all of a sudden

812
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 3: playing better or worse. I know the defense has done

813
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 3: a little better, but you just mentioned who they've played

814
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 3: since the Steelers saw them last Yeah, and a lot

815
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 3: of that's big play driven, but I don't think a.

816
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 2: Lot of it's also the turnovers that they forced since

817
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 2: that game. Four games since they played the Steelers, they

818
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 2: forced ten turnovers.

819
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 3: They've also turned ball over a lot more too.

820
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 2: They've also turned the ball over seven times. If they

821
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 2: turned the ball over like that against the Steelers, yeah,

822
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 2: they're gonna lose.

823
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 3: That's not the Titans in the Browns no.

824
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 2: Right right, Yeah, the Browns with dtr aren't going to

825
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 2: hurt you if you turn the ball over. They turned

826
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 2: the ball over. They forced six turnovers against the Titans. Yeah,

827
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 2: because Levis stinks turnover machine. They had four turnovers in

828
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 2: that game. I know, four I know and one.

829
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 3: It's how their whole season's gone. Like I was about

830
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 3: to compare him, like to the Ravens. Ravens defense was

831
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 3: a mess, but it looks like they fixed it, you know,

832
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 3: Like this defense since the Steelers played them, has done

833
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 3: better things in that they've generated sacks and turnovers. But

834
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 3: then your offense is doing the same thing. They're getting

835
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 3: sacks and turning the ball over at a higher rate,

836
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 3: you know, Like it's so even Steven with this team,

837
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 3: and they played some bad teams since then. Denver side,

838
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 3: I think Denver's good, and that's a nice win. That's

839
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 3: when they're coming off and.

840
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 2: They easily could have lost that game. Oh yeah, I

841
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 2: mean easily.

842
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 3: I mean the coaching decision or if Burrow took it

843
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 3: in his own hands or whatever, doesn't bite you. Nine

844
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 3: out of ten times they chase three.

845
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 2: Fourth down they only got one of them.

846
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 3: But you asked Chase Brown to take a dive and

847
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 3: not get in the end zone and then the net

848
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 3: and he gets injured on the play and the next play.

849
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 3: I don't know if Burrow just took it upon himself

850
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 3: to get in. Maybe they never would throw him under

851
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 3: the bus, but you should have lost that game considering

852
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 3: I lighting the ball to Denver at the way that

853
00:37:59,480 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 3: they did.

854
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, if I'm Denver in that situation, that's

855
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,479
Speaker 2: a situation where I would have gone for two. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

856
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 2: you had the momentum.

857
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 3: I mean, you don't want to hand it to the

858
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,720
Speaker 3: borrow and their defense stinks, you know, their defense stinks.

859
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 2: Look, I mean you ran for one hundred and twenty

860
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 2: three yards in that game. Why don't you just line

861
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 2: up and say, okay, we're going to go for two here.

862
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and what I don't know, we can get two

863
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 3: yards the Denver. Would a tie have gotten Denver into

864
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 3: the playoff? Don't know what all their time?

865
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, would for him?

866
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 3: Oh really, it would have acted the same as a

867
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 3: win for them.

868
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 2: So maybe that would win maybe, And they almost did

869
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 2: end up with the tie.

870
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 3: Right, if we can extend this thing through, you know,

871
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,479
Speaker 3: over time we get out of here with our goal

872
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 3: and act. But no, I mean, just in terms of

873
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 3: winning the game, going for to was the move.

874
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you had the momentum. I mean they

875
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 2: gave up they let you go.

876
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 3: Oh they were deflated. I mean you walked down the

877
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 3: field and you know that was not great.

878
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 2: Let's you score with eight seconds left. I think it

879
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 2: was a fourth down play too, think it was. Yeah,

880
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 2: and you got it. You hit a twenty five yard

881
00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 2: pass like they can't. Here's the thing about Mims had

882
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 2: a fifty one yard touchdown catch. He had a twenty

883
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 2: five yard touchdown catch. Nobody's gonna confuse Marvin Mims, although

884
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 2: he's fast with towards Pickens, No, no different style player two.

885
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: Like if so, if you're gonna give up those kind

886
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 2: of things to Marvin Mims, yeah, yeah, Pickens might tear

887
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 2: you up.

888
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 3: So I get the logic, and I've said this a

889
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 3: thousand times too. I don't want Burrow to be in

890
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 3: the AFC playoffs, and but I don't get the logic

891
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 3: of that's the team you don't want to meet, you know,

892
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 3: like if they beat the Steelers and they're on this

893
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,959
Speaker 3: five game winning streak going into the playoffs, you're gonna

894
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 3: read article after our you don't want. Nobody wants to

895
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 3: play this. This is the hottest team out there. Nobody

896
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 3: wants to play the Bengals. The defense is still terrible. Yeah,

897
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 3: and I don't think their running game is going to

898
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 3: be all that productive without Chase Brown.

899
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 2: I don't think Josh Allen looking at that going, boy,

900
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 2: I don't know, I how we we're gonna move the

901
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:49,439
Speaker 2: ball right against this team.

902
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure Alan Mahomes, Lamar Etctera be like, Okay,

903
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to put up points against these guys,

904
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 3: but it's not gonna be real hard to do.

905
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 2: Lamar's done it twice where they just they just gone

906
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 2: out and out them. The Steelers went out and just

907
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:02,439
Speaker 2: outscored them.

908
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 3: And I do think the Bengals could win on Saturday.

909
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 3: I mean, I definitely think they can beat anybody because

910
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 3: of that offense. They can lose to anybody because of

911
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 3: that defense. I know, I know. And I also look

912
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 3: at the offense, though, I really think it's three guys.

913
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 3: I mean, if the Chase I mean not that he's

914
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 3: a great back, but he's a capable and he's a

915
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 3: big playback, and he's a two way guy, and he

916
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 3: can effect the receiving and run game. I don't think

917
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 3: there are lines particularly good, no, I mean, and the

918
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 3: run game and the running in the backfield is flat

919
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 3: out bad right now. I mean maybe the worst in

920
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 3: the league, so is to me, this is just a

921
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 3: massive compliment to Burrow that they're even close to this

922
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 3: in Chase and Higgins unless less Higgins doesn't play. Yikes,

923
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 3: let's not forget.

924
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,280
Speaker 2: In that game, the Bengals won the coin toss in overtime.

925
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and they're going down. They're trying to score

926
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 2: to finish the game off. You're a Denver game, Yeah yeah,

927
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 2: and what happens Burro gets sacked. Oh yeah, He's got

928
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 2: to be a magician all year, all year long. I mean,

929
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 2: the sack stuff's getting bad, and he's taking a beating.

930
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 2: He's got three different injuries.

931
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 3: Again, he's unbelievably good.

932
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 2: In fact, Cincinnati get the ball back twice, so I

933
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 2: think they had two drives. They had They had three

934
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 2: possessions in that overtight three three. The first one ended

935
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: with Burrow being sacked on back to back plays. Zach

936
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:26,959
Speaker 2: Allen got him twice one yeah uh, and then they punched.

937
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 3: Side note left guard is a real problem for them,

938
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 3: or Cam Heyward laser lines up. Yeah uh.

939
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 2: They force a three and out by Denver, they get

940
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 2: the ball back at their own forty six. Not only

941
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 2: he needs a field.

942
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 3: Goal to win the game.

943
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they donk it.

944
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, that was off the upright, thirty.

945
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 2: Three yard field goal that you that you hit off

946
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 2: the upright because the kickers.

947
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 3: I say, kicker is a problem issue. Yeah yeah.

948
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 2: And then you get it back again with two twenty

949
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 2: left at your at the thirty seven. You hit a

950
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 2: couple of plays and you don't even try this time

951
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 2: to go get a field goal like that would be

952
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 2: and that would all you need to win. Now you've

953
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 2: got to get it in the end zone because you

954
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 2: don't trust. You don't trust your kicker, you can't trust

955
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 2: your defense like.

956
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 3: It.

957
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 2: There's so much not to trust on.

958
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 3: It, so much not to trust like I would be

959
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 3: if you're Chase Higgins and especially Burrow, I'm not sure

960
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 3: you could come up with a more frustrating situation. You know,

961
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 3: like I have to do everything every play ever.

962
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 2: You saw that on Hard Knocks last night, exact when

963
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 2: when the kick cup is or when they scored the touchdown.

964
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 3: Burrow was like, and you've seen it eight to ten

965
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 3: times this year, Chase on the sideline losing his mind

966
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 3: or Burrow's face just like, what else do you want

967
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 3: me to do? Yeah? I mean I throw for three

968
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 3: hundred and three touchdowns every time every week.

969
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 2: That's why I think if if once again, if you

970
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 2: get up on the Bengals early in this one, they

971
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 2: might say, you know what enough and I don't want

972
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 2: to do this anymore. We gotta we got to rebuild

973
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 2: this thing. I'm not going to play my butt off

974
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 2: to go out there and lose another game like this

975
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,240
Speaker 2: and watch that defense just cave.

976
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna I'll say this no matter what the

977
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 3: result is on Saturday, if the Bengals beat the Steelers handily,

978
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 3: I still would not want to be in charge of

979
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 3: their offseason. I mean, Chase is going to get paid huge,

980
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 3: Higgins is not going to be back. The defense, he's

981
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 3: totally rebuilt, the O line needs reinforcements, and you got

982
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 3: the quarterback. And that's awesome. I mean that is awesome.

983
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 3: But I've heard a lot of people say Burrow may

984
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 3: end up like a Stafford like career, you know, like

985
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 3: I'm the driving He's made it more success Thanah Stafford

986
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 3: was on.

987
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 2: It might be a Matt Ryan type career.

988
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 3: Though, Yeah, or where I was going with that is

989
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 3: team number two for Burrow gets the Super At.

990
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 2: Some point he might he might get tired of it

991
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 2: and like this is enough.

992
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 3: I can't be.

993
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 2: I mean you've already heard that kind of rumbling out

994
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 2: of Miles Garrett.

995
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 3: Absolutely. I mean it's becoming more and more common in

996
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 3: the league period.

997
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like Gary Wilson, I gotta know what's what's what's

998
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 2: our plan here moving forward? Because I'm twenty eight now

999
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 2: and we're not close to winning.

1000
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Garrett Wilson sits there and looks at hey,

1001
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 3: I love you DeVante Adams, but I'm open too, and

1002
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 3: just because you guys are buddies and what the heck's

1003
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 3: going on here? Am I coming back? You know? Like

1004
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 3: it's not uncommon in the league anymore. These guys have

1005
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 3: a little more power. Yeah.

1006
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 2: Absolutely, But matt that's going to do it for today's show.

1007
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 2: We'll be back again tomorrow. We'll make our picks on

1008
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 2: everything and we'll do our DFS lineup the whole deal

1009
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 2: as we do.

1010
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 3: Be a challenge.

1011
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it certainly is. Missy Matthews will stop by, so

1012
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 2: lots of good stuff to look forward to. But that's

1013
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 2: going to do for today's show. So for my partner

1014
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 2: Matt Williamson, for Justin Miller here on site running the

1015
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Speaker 2: Justin Miller hotline and the soundboard over there. For Tyler

1016
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 2: Viittmeyer making sure our video gets out there onto the

1017
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Speaker 2: YouTube check that out there. I'm Dale Lollie. We thank

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Speaker 2: you for listening to this edition of the Drive on

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