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Speaker 1: Crime Stories With Nancy Grace, we go behind bars and

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Speaker 1: freakily into the mind of murder dad Chris Watts, including

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Speaker 1: why he justifies murdering his wife and two little girls,

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Speaker 1: actually blaming his pregnant wife Shenan for not being more

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Speaker 1: like his latest sex affair, his latest mistress. Really, it's

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Speaker 1: her fault. She's dead?

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Speaker 2: Then?

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Speaker 1: How do you wrote Bella and Celestin to that long story? Short?

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Speaker 1: Tonight behind bars and into the mind of Chris Watts,

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Speaker 1: a place I thought I would never go. I'm Nancy Grays.

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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us.

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Speaker 3: I mind I dropped her up at her house during

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Speaker 3: the morning.

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Speaker 1: We were out of time.

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Speaker 3: You got her pregnant and I haven't been able to

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Speaker 3: get uphead of her.

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Speaker 4: Good morning.

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Speaker 5: Can you tell your mother in law that she went

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Who's four friends went to a friends after?

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Speaker 4: That's all I know.

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Speaker 6: Who is she supposed to go to?

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Speaker 1: Though? I wear my sun glasses at night and indoors. Okay,

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Speaker 1: did you see him going back and forth and back

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Speaker 1: that that's off and with good reason. Take a listen

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Speaker 1: to this right. Dad here, he helped me grow up

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Speaker 1: shut he helped me Oh so good.

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Speaker 4: He leaves me but times.

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Speaker 7: Nick daddy Daddy.

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Speaker 2: Shenan Ruchak never expected to fall in love with a

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Speaker 2: man who sent her a random friend request, but two

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Speaker 2: years later she married Chris Watts. Just after their first anniversary,

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Speaker 2: the couple welcomes baby Bella and she becomes a big

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Speaker 1: Baby Niko was never born, unless you count coffin birth.

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Speaker 1: After Shanan Watts was murdered and placed in a shallow grave,

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Speaker 1: her body expelled baby boy Nico. This raised the first

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Speaker 3: I'm concerned about a friend of mine. I dropped her

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Speaker 3: off at her house at two in the morning, Mark

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Speaker 3: And said a doctor's appointments this morning, and she didn't.

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Speaker 1: Go to it, and I'm just I don't know what

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Speaker 3: I called him and talked to him, and he said

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Speaker 3: that she went on a playdate with her other three daughters.

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Speaker 3: But like, if she went on a playdate, they're both

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Speaker 4: Take a car.

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Speaker 1: Shenan's friend rightfully disturbed. You know, that's called routine evidence,

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Speaker 1: not stereotypical or normal evidence, evidence of a routine Why

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Speaker 1: would Shenan take her children on playdates with their car

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Speaker 8: with close friend Nicole Atkinson. Shanan confide her marriage has

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Speaker 8: The pair's flight was delayed and Atkinson drops Shanan off

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Speaker 8: nine am doctor's appointment, but the expectant mom misses it.

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Speaker 1: Well, what about that missed doctor's appointment. Shanan pregnant with

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Speaker 5: Any friends she you know she would be hanging out with.

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Speaker 10: She can play all the girls with blankies are gone.

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Speaker 10: She'd tell you anything about leaving, moving out, not moving out.

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Speaker 9: I mean, the last time talk to her was this morning.

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Speaker 11: The kids to her friend's house, and then she asked

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Speaker 11: her today. I never heard anything but the cars, cars here,

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Speaker 11: people that I know, nobody's heart from her, nobody's See.

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Speaker 1: Am I just projecting? Or can you tell who's lying

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Speaker 1: You see Chris Watts leading the police along they're trying

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Speaker 1: to find his wife, his pregnant wife, Shenan. Check out

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Speaker 1: the closet that I noticed immediately. Everything is in perfect order.

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Speaker 1: She wanted to give him the perfect home. She had

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Speaker 1: Where does he fit in? Another thing? Oh yeah, another

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Speaker 1: He knows exactly where those blankets are. They were with

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Speaker 1: But you've got to see this, the inevitable begging for

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Speaker 9: sNaN Bella Celeste, if you're out there, just come back,

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Speaker 9: like if somebody has her, just please bring her back.

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Speaker 9: I need to see everybody. I need to see everybody again.

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Speaker 9: This house is not complete without anybody here. Please bring

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Speaker 1: That's where our friend's at Denver seven. That was his

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Speaker 1: not complete. That was your doing. Once you're doing it

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Speaker 10: Not a no, he's never he's never dropped them back

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Speaker 10: stuff and then out of the garage, every right, And

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Speaker 10: it doesn't look like he can't from that here, it

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Speaker 10: of wondering when she was on ventation if something happened

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Speaker 5: Crazy mass pretty recently, I guess, And.

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Speaker 10: That's why she went and visited people, because she wanted

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Speaker 1: I love the neighbor. I want him to be my neighbor.

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Speaker 1: So from his doorcam, he could see what was happening

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Speaker 1: He could see Shanan's car parked there. Now he referred

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Speaker 1: them with her. The neighbor noticing uncharacteristically odd behavior on

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Speaker 5: We waited the time we were told that mom called

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Speaker 10: Was still on it in the way another forty five minutes.

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Speaker 5: So he's just been giving us false times and everything.

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Speaker 11: And we know he's been lying because his.

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Speaker 5: Stories aren't know enough reading different stories.

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Speaker 1: Because we have one story.

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Speaker 5: She's with a friend right now, and then there's no story, sound.

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Speaker 10: To play day with the kids without a friend.

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Speaker 5: And then she left in the moon night. So she

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Speaker 5: told us through different stories.

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Speaker 1: So now that's the son of Shenan's best friend, Nicole

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Speaker 1: Atkinson speaking Now. I've always believed and observed that if

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Speaker 1: that's totally understandable. Maybe you were not asked the right questions,

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Speaker 1: then of course it culminates here.

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Speaker 6: We have been able to recover a body that we're

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Speaker 6: quite certain is Shenan Watt's body. We have a strong

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Speaker 1: That's where our friends at ABC eleven. Her body recovered

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Speaker 1: and recovered in a horrible way. Pregnant Shenan was found

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Speaker 1: she then baby Nico was born by coffin birth. Her

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Speaker 1: Bella and Celeste. These two babies were found forced, their

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Speaker 12: You have to trust me that when I tell you

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Speaker 12: that these two beautiful girls right here, I did nothing

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Speaker 12: and I don't know what your opinion is, but you

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Speaker 12: have to realize that these two beautiful girls right here

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Speaker 12: and my wife, I had nothing to do with the disappearance.

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Speaker 12: Like they vanished. They were taken. Someone take has taken them.

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Speaker 12: They're safe somewhere, we don't know. I had nothing to

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Speaker 12: cut whatever has happened here, because my love for these

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Speaker 12: to happen to them. I've never wanted anything to happen

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Speaker 12: to them. Like I need them. I want them to

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Speaker 12: just to run through that front door and just grab

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Speaker 12: me or just Barrol, just tackle me, knocked me to

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Speaker 12: it's never gonna die, and they need I want it back, Okay,

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Speaker 12: I have to have it back.

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Speaker 12: But I did, you know, keep coming, She shoots me

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Speaker 12: I didn't her, I did. I heard her emotionally, I

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Speaker 7: Did they leave you after that?

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Speaker 4: So she started her. He gives.

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Speaker 10: Paper.

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Speaker 1: Oh my stars. Not only does he murder her, he

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Speaker 12: Listen, and then what happened.

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Speaker 5: I looked at her and I just cam top of her.

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Speaker 12: She was already underground, and.

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Speaker 5: I was like, I just pulled her off.

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Speaker 10: Pulled her down. I had that. I don't know, I

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Speaker 4: Sure o enanos laying on the ground, on the bed,

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Speaker 10: Sure, that's probably a queen of some sort.

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Speaker 4: The race that I had after seeing that, I oh,

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Speaker 1: Should joining me right now. Is a very special guest

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Speaker 1: Christopher Watts and The Many Faces of Christopher Watts. A

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Speaker 1: What led you to speak to Chris Watts?

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Speaker 4: Well, just as you saw him on the front porch

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Speaker 1: Wow, I've never been interested in hearing what he had

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Speaker 4: At the very beginning was he wanted to clear his

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Speaker 4: He invited me to come to the prison. Actually, his

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Speaker 4: me in a letter. He said that there were guards

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. And now that's curious. He

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Speaker 4: But this is a man who wants people to think

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Speaker 4: way he came off to everyone. And he's a monster,

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Speaker 4: absolutely a monster in sheep's clothing when you go. When

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Speaker 4: he was very ashamed. At one point, I said, Christopher,

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Speaker 4: he was lying so much, I realized later, because he

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Speaker 5: So we.

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Speaker 4: From there. He started writing me letters, mini letters, twelve

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Speaker 4: the girls were still alive. As he was rolling Shenan

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Speaker 4: What's happened? And he told her that mommy was sick

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 4: One of the most horrible things that can be imagined

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Speaker 4: He took them to the oil field, where he had

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Speaker 1: I just okay, wait a minute, wait a minute, sherylyn Caitele.

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Speaker 1: He pulled away, I mean drove away in his car

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Speaker 4: Uh, he didn't want to look at me. He was acting,

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Speaker 4: Exactly, and they had a six week affair up to

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Speaker 4: he could literally pull this off and never be caught

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00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 4: and he could go off and have his life with

443
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 4: his girlfriend and everything would just be wonderful. Yeah, that's

444
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 4: a monster. That's a real monster.

445
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: When he would talk to you, Sherlynn, what what was

446
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: your impression of him? Because I find that really not

447
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: only interesting, like I said, studying a rattlesnake, but I

448
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: find it probative. In other words, it proved something to

449
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: me that he was so arrogant that he believed he

450
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: would never be caught, that he could manipulate everyone, the

451
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: girlfriend and well the many girlfriends he had, his wife,

452
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: his children, his own family, the justice system, his coworkers.

453
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: I mean, he's been hooking up with women for you know,

454
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: one night stance forever, right right.

455
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 4: I mean, Christopher is good looking, or he was at

456
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 4: one time. He was a good looking I believe that

457
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 4: this crime has eaten him. He's not as good looking

458
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 4: as he used to be, but he's a good looking man,

459
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 4: and he comes across very sweet. He was very gallant,

460
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 4: and the way he even treated me, he was very kind.

461
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 4: He wanted me to just feel that he was the

462
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 4: good boy next door, and he took on a role

463
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 4: with me almost as that I was a mother figure

464
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 4: to him. And he would tell me that because I mean,

465
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 4: I went into it at sixty years old. I had

466
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 4: no intentions of any kind of a romance. And I

467
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 4: made that upfront in my letter. That's not what my

468
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 4: letter was about. And I find it interesting that he

469
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 4: has a lot of issues from growing up that he

470
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 4: may think is okay. But I would be very concerned

471
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 4: if my son had those kinds of issues. And I

472
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 4: think that it was some.

473
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: Kind of issues.

474
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 7: Well, he had a he would go into the bathroom

475
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 7: at home, and his mother told me this. He would

476
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 7: go into the bathroom at home and she would hear

477
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 7: him crying and saying, Oh God, please forgive me, Please

478
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 7: forgive me, Please forgive me for what I did. Please

479
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 7: forgive me.

480
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 4: She said that she would ask him about that and

481
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 4: he wouldn't answer her, and so she decided to leave

482
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 4: him alone because she felt like he had his right

483
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 4: to moments of privacy. Well, that is far beyond privacy.

484
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,959
Speaker 4: That was sick. Something had happened, something a twelve year

485
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 4: old boyfriend.

486
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: Oh no, much, something happened, or that he did something

487
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,959
Speaker 1: sounds to me, Dad did something that he was anxious

488
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: to be forgiven.

489
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, absolutely, And so he would do things like that,

490
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 4: and he was very much a kind of a loner.

491
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 4: He did have a friend that he grew up with

492
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 4: that lived close by to them or next door or something.

493
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 4: But I think there was a lot of dark things

494
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 4: in his childhood that he did. And I don't think

495
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 4: it was killing the cat down the street. I think

496
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 4: there was some things that he did. He told me

497
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 4: once in the jail that there was some things he

498
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 4: would take to his grave that he would never talk about.

499
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: One of those things, well, hold on my head, just

500
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: blew off, let me attach it. He's murdered his pregnant wife,

501
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: the unborn baby, his two daughters, Bella and Celeste. But

502
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: there's something so bad he won't tell you.

503
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that was one of those things happened. During

504
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 4: the surrounding the murders, I would question him about different things.

505
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 4: I think the thing that he wouldn't talk about that

506
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 4: he was going to take to his grave, I think

507
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 4: it had to do with the fact that he gave

508
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 4: Shenan a heavy dose of oxycodone when he had met

509
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 4: up with her at her family's house in South Carolina.

510
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 4: He spent the night the first night at the house

511
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 4: there with the family, and he so wanted to get

512
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 4: rid of the unborn baby that he gave Shenan. He

513
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:42,479
Speaker 4: made her a shake, and he put oxycodone in that shape,

514
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 4: thinking that it would cause her to miss carry. The

515
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 4: poor girl drank it unaware of what he was doing

516
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 4: to her, and it made her very violently ill. She

517
00:33:55,320 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 4: threw up all night. He couldn't even console her, allowed

518
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 4: her to literally sleep in the bathroom with her head

519
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 4: on the toilet, vomiting and sick. Her brother had to

520
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 4: come in and help console her. She was so sick,

521
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 4: but she did not lose her baby. I believe that

522
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 4: one of the things that he will take to his

523
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 4: grave with him is who gave him that oxycodone. He

524
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 4: wouldn't tell you on this moment.

525
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: Hold on so disagree, and I admit that you're the

526
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: expert because you've had all these conversations with him. But

527
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: he would sell anybody down the river. He's now blaming Shenan.

528
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: She was the problem. She was a control freak. He's

529
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: blaming the girlfriend. It's all her fault. She was a

530
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: quote dark spirit, like Coltman Laurie Valo said, he blames

531
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,720
Speaker 1: everybody else for everything. I think it's something much worse

532
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: than who gave him the OxyContin that he slipped into

533
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 1: her drink to kill the baby. And maybe her. I

534
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: don't think that's it. He would sell out anybody and

535
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: their mother. I think it's something worse than that, Something

536
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: he did to Shenan or the girls, or to their bodies,

537
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: something that's so horrible he won't confess it.

538
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 11: Now.

539
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: Follow that through to its logical conclusion, right right.

540
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 4: And I have wondered if the girls were alive when

541
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 4: they hit that water. That has been because it's he

542
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 4: was a time crunch getting out of there. You know,

543
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 4: he had to appear like everything was okay at work

544
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 4: at eight o'clock, and so it took time to smother

545
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 4: those girls. It took time to walk them up those

546
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 4: battery steps. If you've seen a picture of them, they're huge.

547
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 4: They're huge, They're tall up in the air. So were

548
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 4: they alive?

549
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: So he had sex with Shenan right before he killed her.

550
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: I wonder if rape kits were done on Bella and Celeste.

551
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: I wonder if he, let me just say ephemistically, tampered

552
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: with Shenan's body post mortem. Whatever news has got to

553
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: be something that's so horrible he can't bring himself to

554
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: state it. I don't know what could be more horrible

555
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: than what we already know he did what he's confessed

556
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: to question, how is he twisting this around and making

557
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 1: this all Shenan's fault.

558
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 4: Sanan was an accomplished woman in her own rights. She

559
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 4: sold a company, Thrive, that she worked for, and she

560
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 4: was very successful. They gave her a car allowance for

561
00:36:55,680 --> 00:37:00,720
Speaker 4: new Lexus. When she would go to the the large

562
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 4: campaigns that they have every year, she won awards. She

563
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 4: had something like four hundred thousand people under her. She

564
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 4: was very accomplished woman, and she liked to spend money.

565
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 4: She liked to impress. They lived in a huge home.

566
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 4: She made him look very little in his eyes. He

567
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 4: felt like she made him look little. He told me

568
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 4: that she would.

569
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: What how does her working her fingers to the bone

570
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: and creating this beautiful home that she artfully designed. I've

571
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: looked at every room that she designed, she painted, she furnished.

572
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: Now how does she makes the money she brings home,

573
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: the money she takes care of the children, She designs

574
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: the home, she cleans the home. What how does she

575
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: make him look small? I thought you only got all

576
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: on your own.

577
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 4: That's only in his eyes, not in I don't believe

578
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 4: Shenan felt that way. About him, I know for fact,

579
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 4: and laws did not feel that way about him. But

580
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 4: he had to have some way to blame all this. See,

581
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 4: they went on trips. That shows right right here, you're

582
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 4: looking at them at a beach. That trip was furnished

583
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 4: by her, by her company that she worked for. She

584
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 4: earned those things, and he had a job, a decent job,

585
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 4: but he only made sixty thousand a year tea mean

586
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:38,720
Speaker 4: twice what he made, and he felt belittled, he said,

587
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 4: by her.

588
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 1: She was very fending her money. Daddy, nobody I know

589
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: pay for all those motels he's shacked up in.

590
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, so all the dinners he took his girlfriend to

591
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 4: and the gifts that he bought her, that's right, yes.

592
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 4: And so Sanan was, like you said, working her fingers

593
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 4: to the bone. The girl work day and night to

594
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 4: do what she accomplished. And yet he would say that

595
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 4: she was just you know, just onto him all the time,

596
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 4: and you know, just whatever he could use to blame

597
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 4: her forever.

598
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, because she probably knew he was cheating, or at

599
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: least suspected. Well, I think you can't have a house

600
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: that beautiful that you design and you keep nate as

601
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: a pen and not look at your husband's credit cards

602
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: when he doesn't show up for supper?

603
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 4: Right?

604
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 3: Right?

605
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: Isn't that why we all have live three sixty?

606
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 4: Yes? Right? Yeah? No, No, she she was blindsighted in

607
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 4: the beginning. I believe she trusted him because she was

608
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 4: so busy. I don't think she had time to follow

609
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 4: him around and see what he was doing. And so

610
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 4: in the beginning, I think she was very trusting.

611
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: Crimes to with Nancy Grace. Yes, I want to throw

612
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: something at you. I mean, I know you're not a shrink,

613
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 1: but I'm just thinking about her and I admire her. Well,

614
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: she's beautiful, and she always is so put together, and

615
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: she's trying so hard to get that Hallmark family and

616
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 1: home and keep it perfect and beautiful. And she has

617
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: to wonder, what's wrong with me? Why is he not

618
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: coming home at night? Why is he at the do

619
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: drop in motel. I mean, she had to be suspicious,

620
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 1: and that probably manifested by her being quote on him

621
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: like what are you doing? Where have you been? And

622
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: I'm sure he resented that. But this beautiful woman on

623
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: the end, not her, I'm talking about Shine. That's one

624
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: of his many many girlfriends, Her Shanan. She was always

625
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: feeling like she was overweight, like she wasn't pretty enough,

626
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 1: like she wasn't exciting and funny and witty and blah

627
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 1: blah blah, feeling the blank because of him.

628
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 4: Right right, He didn't do anything to feed her ego,

629
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 4: but he wanted his fed well, and he went to

630
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 4: the gym and he lost to weight and he buffed up.

631
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 4: And she had to have known something's going on here

632
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 4: because she was a smart girl. She was just you know,

633
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 4: she wasn't stupid by any means. And so, I mean,

634
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 4: we all have things about us that we we wish

635
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 4: we looked different or we were way less.

636
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: Wrong with men, I don't get it. He didn't get it.

637
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: Of course. I guess you could say the same thing

638
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: about some women. But they've got it all. If you

639
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: can't be happy with her and the beautiful girl and

640
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: the baby boy and the picture perfect home and the

641
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: perfect neighborhood, what I mean, what does it take?

642
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 10: I don't know.

643
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what does it take. That's everybody's dream.

644
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: But listen to this. This I'm quoting from Sherilyn Catle's book.

645
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: Now she's got two of them. I know, if Nikki

646
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: and I were going to be together. I had to

647
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:28,240
Speaker 1: kill all of them. That's a quote from the murders

648
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: of Christopher Watts. It was all to be with another woman.

649
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: Hadn't he ever heard of divorce?

650
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 4: Yes, think of that. And the other woman. I don't

651
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 4: know anything about her, but she was, in my opinion,

652
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 4: far more what he should want. I mean, he built

653
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 4: a life.

654
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 1: A lot of people always cheat down. Yeah, yeah, cheat down,

655
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: cheat down.

656
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 4: That's a good one, yes, definitely. I mean, look at Shanan.

657
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 4: She's beautiful, she's laughing, She's got a wonderful personality. She

658
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 4: treated people so well. People loved her. She had a

659
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 4: huge group of friends. I don't understand at all. I

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00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 4: don't understand why he would not be happy with what

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00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 4: he had.

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Speaker 1: He tries to blame it on anger, that I was

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00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: so angry I would have killed anything like anger is

664
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: some type of a beast that did the date. It

665
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,760
Speaker 1: was him that did the day. Did he ever shed

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00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 1: a tear?

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00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 9: Never?

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00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 4: Never did he shed a tear. And here's another thing.

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Speaker 4: And I asked him about this point blank, because I said,

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00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 4: it seems like that this monster in you, that whatever

671
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 4: it was, that you were having to go to the

672
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 4: bathroom and pray for forgiveness. And this didn't happen just once.

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00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 4: This is something that happened on a kind of a

674
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 4: regular basis that he could hear him as a child.

675
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 4: I said, it seems to me like there was a

676
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 4: monster inside of you and it was boiling and boiling

677
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 4: and it had to come out. And that's why you

678
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 4: killed Shanan is because that monster just had to come out.

679
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 4: I don't know what you think of that, but it's

680
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 4: like something in there and it wasn't caused by Shananne,

681
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 4: that monster inside of him.

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00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 1: You know. You mentioned that when he left the disposal, saying,

683
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: which is a really ephemistic way to put what he

684
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: did to Bella and Celeste, Sheanan and Nico, that he

685
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 1: was playing Metallica. What he was playing was a Metallica song, Battery, Battery,

686
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: and some of the lyrics are pounding out, aggression turns

687
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 1: into obsession. Cannot kill the battery, cannot kill the family.

688
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: That's he knew exactly what he was doing. Yeah, and

689
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: the motive was to be with another woman who would

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00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: probably start cheating on the moment he could.

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00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 4: Yes.

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00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, What is your takeaway of Chris Watts and the

693
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: books are amazing. The murders of Christopher Watts and the

694
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,439
Speaker 1: many faces of Christopher Watts a five year update. What's

695
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 1: your takeaway that you can give.

696
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 4: Us all of these women that are at that are

697
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 4: writing to him and sending him love letters and sending

698
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 4: him money through the mail that has overloaded his commissary.

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00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 4: My takeaway is that there's something in him that he

700
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 4: thinks he can just woo any woman, and woman beware,

701
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:57,240
Speaker 4: because let me tell you, anyone that has that personality

702
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 4: I would definitely be very careful of there. I don't

703
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 4: think that there is a man or a woman alive

704
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 4: that is willing to kiss your feet that much, to

705
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 4: wool you that much, and not just be himself. But

706
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 4: these women, they want to marry him, they want to

707
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 4: support him, they want to visit with him, they want

708
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 4: to talk to him on the phone. Oh my gosh.

709
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 4: My takeaway is just beware women, beware.

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00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: You know you mentioned that he was good looking. I

711
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: have never once found him good looking, even before I

712
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: need for sure he murdered Shnan because he doesn't have

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00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: a kind face.

714
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 11: You know.

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00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: Now, why am I seeing him without a shirt on?

716
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: Why are you doing that to me? I don't want

717
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: to see his body. He's guck. Do you know what

718
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 1: control room showing me that? You might as well show

719
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: me a picture of a coral snake or anaconda or

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00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: a poisonous spider. That's how I view him. I've never

721
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: want saying a kind look in his eyes. I mean,

722
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: he may smile, but there's something cold in his eyes.

723
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: You know, when my husband smiles, his eyes smile too, yes,

724
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 1: and I spe like my dad and my mom their

725
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: eyes smile. His eyes always look cold to me.

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00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean, there's so many women think that

727
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 4: he's good looking, to the points that all these women

728
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 4: that have written him Nancy, they send him money in

729
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 4: the mail. He has a fan club. It's unbelievable, the

730
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 4: fan clubs that he has. And the people that believe

731
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 4: that he didn't really do this or it was more

732
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 4: caused by shenand they.

733
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: May confessed, and people still believe he didn't do it.

734
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, people still believe he did not do it.

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00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 1: What an artful deceiver he is, you know, that's what

736
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: the devil is often called, the deceiver. Yes, the deceiver,

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00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: that's what he is. You know what, Just to irritate

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Speaker 1: Chris Watts I'm going to close our time together for

739
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: now anyway, and I hope we meet again. Your books

740
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: are amazing, and you work so hard and so meticulously

741
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: to do this, and thank Heaven you didn't fall for

742
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: that poc Chris Watts, The Murders of Christopher Watts and

743
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: The Many Faces of Christopher Watts A five year update

744
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: now to irritate Christopher Watts. I'm going to close out

745
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:44,919
Speaker 1: remembering someone decent and good and true and American hero

746
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: Corporal Michael Roberts Tampa Pede, shot in the line of

747
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 1: duty after eleven years of serving others, leaving behind a

748
00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: grieving wife, Cynthia, and a lonely son, Adam. American hero

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00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: Corporal Michael Roberts rested peace, Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,