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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Trump says he was too busy

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Speaker 1: averting a holocaust to commit fraud. We have a great

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Speaker 1: show today. The Guardian's Hugo lol joins us to talk

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Speaker 1: about Trump's many legal woes. Then we'll talk to Rhode

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Speaker 1: Islands Lieutenant governor so being a Matos about her run

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Speaker 1: first we have the Bulwarks Jonathan Last. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: Fast Politics. Jonathan Last.

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Speaker 2: Molly, it's good to be with you.

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Speaker 1: I love you because you are like one of the

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Speaker 1: greatest editors I've ever had, so I am always such

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Speaker 1: a huge fan. Though I just googled you and found

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Speaker 1: out that you're not that much older than I am,

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Speaker 1: which is very annoying, but still a little bit not.

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Speaker 2: That much old her, right, I thought we were exactly

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Speaker 2: the same age? Are we not the same age?

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Speaker 1: Forty nine? Man, I'm only forty five and I just

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Speaker 2: Feel like I'm a really young forty nine.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about my text exchange with Tim Miller,

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Speaker 1: a friend and mine. So watch the debates. Of course

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Speaker 1: got drawn into the vacmentum. Just kidding. But one of

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Speaker 1: and Tim and made me text him endlessly was that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she was good, She was basically fine. She understood

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Speaker 2: that the spending problems are not like just Democrats, even

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Speaker 2: And I mean, I don't know about you. I came

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Speaker 1: So interesting. I really appreciate having you here. Thank you

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Speaker 1: Hugo Law is a political investigations reporter at The Guardian.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Fast Politics, Hugo loll. Hell, let's talk

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Speaker 3: I mean, choosual problem and then make that capturization.

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Speaker 1: So you've been in Georgia, you've been in DC. I

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Speaker 3: because you know, he goes and gets his employees to

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Speaker 1: I feel like that was a sort of unforced error.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, and the whole thing is kind of

433
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Speaker 3: comical because his employees are also not very good at

434
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Speaker 3: carrying out his wishes. Right, this is less water game.

435
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Speaker 4: More.

436
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Speaker 3: Let's hop in a clown car and you know, put

437
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Speaker 3: the sirens on and say that we're coming down to

438
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Speaker 3: mar Lago. You know, let's send shushing emojis to people

439
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Speaker 3: and then like you know, pull.

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Speaker 1: People off to the side.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I really got to do this in one case.

442
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Speaker 3: So it's not great. But that's really the class white

443
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Speaker 3: document's case. So let's let's now get to the Federal

444
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Speaker 3: of January sixth case.

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Speaker 1: The classified documents case is easily the most open and

446
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Speaker 1: shot though I don't know.

447
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Speaker 3: I mean, look, I don't think any of these cases

448
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:20,159
Speaker 3: are necessarily open and shut. I think when things go

449
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Speaker 3: to trial, when you see kind of the arguments and

450
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Speaker 3: how the jury compositions, and you know, in the class

451
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Speaker 3: by documents case, you also have the wild card of

452
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Speaker 3: Judge Cannon, who has hidden very deferential to Trump's side.

453
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Speaker 3: I mean even in the preacher motion so far, I

454
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Speaker 3: mean she is delayed holding a Garcia hearing, which is

455
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Speaker 3: a hearing to form both defendants and witnesses that their

456
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Speaker 3: shared representation, their shared lawyer could cause them not to

457
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Speaker 3: have effective accounts at trial. That has not happened yet.

458
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Speaker 3: And these are all delays that are going to factor

459
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Speaker 3: into the case. And I think, you know, even the

460
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Speaker 3: May trial date that I've been scheduled is now looking

461
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Speaker 3: likely to be pushed back further. And so I think

462
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Speaker 3: the classied Documents case has its own unique right.

463
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Speaker 1: And that has ended up with Judge Cannon, right.

464
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Speaker 3: And you know, Judge Cannon is, of course, as the

465
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Speaker 3: same judge who presided over the Special Mass litigation last

466
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Speaker 3: year and you know, proceeded to give Trump a whole

467
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Speaker 3: bunch jobs.

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Speaker 1: Right, She's a mega judge well.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it's fair to say she's a

470
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Speaker 3: mega judge, but she has shown preference and deference to

471
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Speaker 3: Trump's legal team, probably for the last year or so.

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Speaker 1: She was appointed by Trump.

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Speaker 3: Yes, she was the Trump appointing. In fact, she was

474
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Speaker 3: one of the last judges appointed by Trump. I think

475
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Speaker 3: her Senate confirmation came basically December twenty twenty or November

476
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: Why were you in DC on Monday?

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Speaker 3: So that was the federal January sixth case. So now

479
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Speaker 3: we're getting onto indictment two or four, and so Judge Chuckan,

480
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Speaker 3: who is overseeing that case, was a setting a trial date.

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Speaker 1: That's the federal and also the superseding. No, this is

482
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Speaker 1: the federal.

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Speaker 3: The only case that we have a superseding and diamond

484
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Speaker 3: is the class Fight doc.

485
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Speaker 1: Okay, so that's the judge Canon case.

486
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

487
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Speaker 3: So on Monday, Judge Chuppan presiding judge in DC, set

488
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Speaker 3: a March trial date for the federal and January sixth case.

489
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Speaker 3: And again, this is a case that presents Trump with

490
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Speaker 3: a very big problem because one of the statutes that

491
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Speaker 3: has been charged obstruction of an official proceeding is a

492
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Speaker 3: statute that has been used against hundreds of January sixth

493
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Speaker 3: right defendants, and the core element in that statute is

494
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Speaker 3: did the defendant act corruptly that for the operative language

495
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Speaker 3: to start, basically the certification on January sixth, And there

496
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Speaker 3: is currently a case pending before the DC what Appeals

497
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Speaker 3: the DC Circuit courts, where they are trying to come

498
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Speaker 3: up with an interpretation or definition of the work corruptly.

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Speaker 3: But we can look at how the statute has been

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Speaker 3: a play to the hundreds of other January sixth defendants,

501
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Speaker 3: and in almost all cases it has been interpreted as

502
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Speaker 3: kind of unlawful benefit or sort of corrupt benefit. And

503
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 3: it is quite clear that Trump was seeking to obtain

504
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Speaker 3: a corrupt benefit on January sixth, by pressuring members of Congress,

505
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Speaker 3: by pressuring senators, by pressuring Pence, by encouraging the crowd

506
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Speaker 3: to not go home. He was effectively trying to extract

507
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Speaker 3: a corrupt benefit from himself through the certification not being completed.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's a real area of jeopardy.

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Speaker 1: So there's so much traffic on Trump's legal calendar, how

510
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Speaker 1: will we know who goes first and who will sort

511
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Speaker 1: of win that?

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Speaker 3: I mean, we don't know I mean, right now, as

513
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Speaker 3: things have been scheduled, it seems like the federal January

514
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Speaker 3: sixth case will go first. You know, we're set for

515
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Speaker 3: March four. Whether or not we stick to that, you know,

516
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Speaker 3: remains an issue. Also in March we have the Manhattan

517
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Speaker 3: A g A hush money case. I think that's March

518
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Speaker 3: twenty fifth off the top of my head. You know,

519
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 3: the issue with all of these child dates is that

520
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 3: they do tend to slip right. You know, there's delays

521
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 3: in discovery production, there's pre trial motions and pretrial motions.

522
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Speaker 3: You know, we call it, as we say, motion practice.

523
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Speaker 3: And you know Trump Trump's the whole thing is to

524
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Speaker 3: delay it as much as he can. That's his strategy.

525
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Speaker 3: If he can push as many of these things pass

526
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Speaker 3: the election as he can, and if he wins, the

527
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Speaker 3: whole idea is to either self pardon himself if he's

528
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Speaker 3: already been convicted, or if there is a case on appeal,

529
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Speaker 3: for instance, then he you know, the ideas he would

530
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Speaker 3: appoint a sympathetic attorney general and have DOJ just drop

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Speaker 3: the charters.

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Speaker 1: Joyce Fans yesterday was on Nicole Wallace and she was

533
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Speaker 1: saying that Donald Trump is not going to be running

534
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Speaker 1: for president from jail. The way that the timing on

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Speaker 1: this works, that is not going to happen. Can you

536
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Speaker 1: just say a little more about that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's fundamentally because even if he's convicted in

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Speaker 3: let's say, all of these cases, the appeals won't be

539
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 3: resolved by the time the elections. Even if we stick

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Speaker 3: let's say, you know the current schedule in the federal

541
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Speaker 3: January sixth case, I mean, if there's several weeks to trial,

542
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Speaker 3: we will get through, you know, marsh will be at

543
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Speaker 3: the start of April. The idea that this will go

544
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Speaker 3: to the quart of Appeals and it will be all

545
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 3: resolved by November twenty twenty four is just not realistic.

546
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Speaker 3: And if that doesn't happen, he might be convicted, but

547
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 3: he will be out on appeal, just like Steve Bannon

548
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 3: is currently out on appeal even though he was convicted

549
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 3: in his conduct of Congress case. And so I think

550
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 3: in the same vein that I don't think there is

551
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 3: any expectation that Trump will be incarcerated and will be

552
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Speaker 3: heaving a campaign from in Jailstone.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that is really interesting about these

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Speaker 1: cases is that they are both. There are sort of

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Speaker 1: intersection of politics and the league system in a way

556
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Speaker 1: there is no historical precedent for so every judge, from

557
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Speaker 1: Judge Cannon to Judge check In, they are in this

558
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Speaker 1: sort of brave new world of legal cases against someone

559
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: who is the front runner for the Republican nomination. Talk

560
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Speaker 1: to me about what the tension there is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, you know, in many ways it matters,

562
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Speaker 3: and in many ways it also doesn't matter. You know,

563
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Speaker 3: I think because of the way these cases are coming down.

564
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Speaker 3: Basically in an election cycle, necessarily there will be politics involved.

565
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Speaker 3: Trump's whole campaign for president was announced early because he

566
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Speaker 3: thought it would insulate him or protect him from DOJ

567
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 3: seeking indictments against It ironically kind of backfired because had

568
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Speaker 3: it not been for his campaign launch, Merrick Garland would

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Speaker 3: not have appointed as Special Council and they were not

570
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Speaker 3: a been an officer of the Special Council with you know,

571
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Speaker 3: sixty a round sixty prosecutors detailed to that office or

572
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Speaker 3: investigating him onto kind of parallel cases. It would have

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Speaker 3: been you know, a handful maybe or a dozen or

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Speaker 3: so line attorneys in the National Scurity Division, and and

575
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 3: you know, in the criminalsion, and so he's kind of

576
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 3: brought this on himself in some ways. And the response

577
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 3: has been particularly trumpient in that it's impossible to determine

578
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Speaker 3: where the presidential campaign ends and where the legal team starts.

579
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 3: It is all the same thing. In fact, I think

580
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Speaker 3: it's better to think of it as a presidential campaign

581
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Speaker 3: first and a legal defense team second. The constant we

582
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Speaker 3: heard as reporters through the document's investigation, well that the

583
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 3: lawyers are finding it difficult to work around the campaign.

584
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Speaker 3: Always the messaging that came first. It was always the oh,

585
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Speaker 3: but you know, we need to do this politically, or

586
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 3: you know, this doesn't look great optics. Why it's rather

587
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 3: than that's treat this as a really serious kind of

588
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 3: criminal investigation that could land Trump on the hot water

589
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 3: and having to deal with the new reality that he

590
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Speaker 3: is now a criminal defendant in four cases, and you know,

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Speaker 3: in Judge Ricken's words, you will have to yield to

592
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 3: the criminal process. I think that's really tough for them,

593
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 3: because neither Trump nor anyone around him, or anyone else frankly,

594
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Speaker 3: has ever had to deal with this. But I think

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00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,479
Speaker 3: the one point that is that has become a feature

596
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Speaker 3: in all of these cases. Is he is now subject

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Speaker 3: to the judicial process, and he might not like the

598
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 3: fact that his federal January sixth case has been scheduled

599
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 3: the day before Super Tuesday, but that's out of his control.

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Speaker 3: Become a criminal defendant, you're a subject to the wide

601
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Speaker 3: discretions that federal judges have, and federal judges if an

602
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 3: Article three judgements to schedule a trial in a particular day,

603
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 3: they will do that. And you have very very little recalls.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Trump's talking about he can appeal the chrial date.

605
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 3: That's just really not feasible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it is this conflict of here we

607
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Speaker 1: have someone who is running for president while also a

608
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Speaker 1: defendant and numerous federal, state, and civil cases.

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Speaker 3: But when you talk to Trump's advisors, they are very

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Speaker 3: colonist and all the fact that Trump is now running

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Speaker 3: for president in order to keep himself out of jail,

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Speaker 3: and I think they feel that very keenly, and Trump

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Speaker 3: feels that very keeen You know, back in November and

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00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 3: December when he was just launching his campaign, a lot

615
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 3: of the accusations and kind of dismissive comments are like, oh,

616
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Speaker 3: you know, he's low energy, he doesn't really care. I

617
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 3: mean that might have been true to some degree, but

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Speaker 3: it's not true now. And it's not true now because

619
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Speaker 3: he knows if he doesn't win, he will not have

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Speaker 3: the powder self pardon himself if he's convicted, and he

621
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Speaker 3: will not have the patent to have an attorney general

622
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Speaker 3: does not these cases, and so he really needs to win.

623
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Speaker 3: And I think maybe people underestimating a little bit the

624
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Speaker 3: lengths that Trump might go to ensure that he does

625
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Speaker 3: win because the stakes are now so high.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And I think that is a really good point.

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Speaker 1: And you'll remember he did announce very very early because

628
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Speaker 1: he wanted to get ahead of these indictments.

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Speaker 3: Right and can as you were saying, in trying to

630
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Speaker 3: get ahead of the indictments, he probably actually spent them

631
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Speaker 3: up because you know, a special counsel was appointed. You know,

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Speaker 3: an office will stood up. You know, people were detailed

633
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 3: from Main Justice in the US Attorney's office, and you

634
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 3: know in the Public Integrity Section, the National Security Division,

635
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 3: all these lawyers came in. You know, if you have

636
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 3: about you know, sixty lawyers investigating, you chan saw they're

637
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 3: probably going to find something. And so you know, I

638
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 3: don't know if that was in hindsight the best strategic

639
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 3: move for him if he did want to string this

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Speaker 3: this war out.

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Speaker 1: Can you do two seconds on Peter Navarro?

642
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we are going to trial next week.

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Speaker 1: I'm watching the video of him trying to grab the

644
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: Trump lost and you know it signed from a protester

645
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: at his news conference, right.

646
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Speaker 3: And he try to grab any missed Catch us up

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Speaker 3: on Peter Navarro. Yeah, we are going to trial in

648
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Speaker 3: US vers Peter Navarro. It is the contempt of Congress

649
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 3: case after Navara basically blew off the January sixth Committee subpoena.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's a little bit crazy that we are

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Speaker 3: going to try on twenty twenty three for subpoena that

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Speaker 3: was issued, you know, in late twenty twenty one. But

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Speaker 3: here we are. You know, we have jury selection on

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Speaker 3: September fifth. The presiding judge in this case is Ammet Meta.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 3: Judge Meta said, you know, he expects jury section to

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Speaker 3: maybe take only one or two days and so it

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Speaker 3: could be very very quick. So we may go to

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Speaker 3: trial on September seven, as kind of scheduled. And Peter

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Speaker 3: Navarro has a big problem because his central defense and

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Speaker 3: what his lawys have been saying, was Peter Navarro genuinely

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Speaker 3: believed that he had an executive privileged waiver from Trump

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Speaker 3: that allowed him to refuse to comply with the January

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Speaker 3: sixth Committee subpoena. The problem was it was never formally

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Speaker 3: written down anywhere, and he never got a written notification

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Speaker 3: from Trump to that effect. So what Navarro's team tried

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Speaker 3: to do instead was to use a letter that Trump

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Speaker 3: had given him with respect to the Coronavirus Subcommittee that said,

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Speaker 3: you know, Pier Navarro, you must protect executive privilege to say, oh,

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Speaker 3: this was you know, this applied to all of the

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Speaker 3: subpoenas he got. But the judge did not buy that. Ultimately,

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Speaker 3: it hasputed as a defense, and so I think this

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Speaker 3: is going to be a very short trial, and his

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Speaker 3: lawyers are really prepping, like in Bannon, for a fight

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Speaker 3: at the appeals core. DOJ stumbled a number of times

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Speaker 3: in the pre chrial period, but I think for trial

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Speaker 3: or in a pretty good position.

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Speaker 1: I just want one last question, because it's breaking news

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Speaker 1: that Donald Trump has just fled not guilty in Georgia.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's look, it's very procedural. We knew

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Speaker 3: he was going to plead not guilty. The question was

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Speaker 3: would he appear in person on a September six and

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Speaker 3: kind of you know, say not guilty in person or

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Speaker 3: would he would he fight a waiver and just do

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Speaker 3: it on the barket, and you know, he's chosen the latter.

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Speaker 3: It saves him from having to go back to Forum

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Speaker 3: County Superior Court. It kind of save saves him in

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Speaker 3: his campaign at of hassle on.

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Speaker 6: So I think this was.

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Speaker 3: Always the expected move, although I will say that, you know,

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Speaker 3: and this is kind of indicative of what we've been

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Speaker 3: talking about, how the political and the legal will kind

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Speaker 3: of get him meshed in the same thing. His political

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Speaker 3: team were considering having him actually go in person if

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Speaker 3: they could figure out a way to hold some sort

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Speaker 3: of event after, whether it was like a press conference

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Speaker 3: or a rally or a gag. You know, they were

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Speaker 3: keen to turn into a media event if they could,

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Speaker 3: even if it was hear hearted. The fact that this

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Speaker 3: was being considered, I think is indicative of how much

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Speaker 3: still the political campaign has an equity and everything Trump does.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Hugo. I hope you'll come back.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Sabina Meados is the Lieutenant governor of Rhode Island and

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Speaker 1: a candidate in their first congressional district primary. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Fast Politics, Sabina.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, Mollie, thank you so much for having me here.

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Speaker 1: First, you need to tell us you are the Lieutenant

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Speaker 1: governor of the state of Rhode Island. You are running

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Speaker 1: for one of Rhode Island's two congressional seats. Explain to

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Speaker 1: us what this special election is, when it's happening, Why

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Speaker 1: it's happening.

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Speaker 6: Yes, so I I'm the current Lieutenant governor, just ran

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Speaker 6: last year and one four years as lieutenant governor. Then

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Speaker 6: our congressmnding is Sicelini resigned this year for good reasons.

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Speaker 6: He became the president of the Rhode Island Foundation. And

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Speaker 6: this has an opportunity now for an open seat in

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Speaker 6: Rhode Island, which you don't seem too often.

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Speaker 1: All right, since only two ceraily.

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Speaker 6: Two right, we had one last year and now a

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Speaker 6: second one this year. This is a special election in

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Speaker 6: it's going to be on Tuesday, September fifth. I'm running

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Speaker 6: for this seed. Yes, very soon. We are less than

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Speaker 6: a week away from election.

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Speaker 1: Day, Okay, And so you're running for this open seat.

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Speaker 1: Explain to us who are you running against What does

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Speaker 1: your race look like?

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Speaker 6: Yes, because it's an open seed. Actually, if we have

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Speaker 6: a large bill.

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Speaker 1: Oh interesting, if I don't know.

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Speaker 6: We started with about thirty four candidates Jesus, but we're

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Speaker 6: down to we're down to twelve, actually eleven Democrats. Right

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Speaker 6: now the primary is less than a week await, and

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Speaker 6: right now the race is coming down mostly to me

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Speaker 6: and my opponent who is more to the left of

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Speaker 6: me in this politics.

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Speaker 1: So explain to us why you accurately reperen and why

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Speaker 1: your views more represent this district in Rhode Island.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the state of Rhode Island, we're always labeled as

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Speaker 6: a blue state, right in CD one actually is the

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Speaker 6: most liberal of the two district that we have.

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Speaker 1: This district.

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Speaker 6: Actually, the state of Rhode Island, we have never sent

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Speaker 6: a Democratic woman to Congress.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we had only one woman.

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Speaker 1: Say it again, man, I mean wow, Yes, that.

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Speaker 6: One woman in the eighties. She was Republican. And people

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Speaker 6: think of Rhode Island as is so blue. But we

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Speaker 6: have never sent a Democratic woman to Congress, and we

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Speaker 6: are more than half of the population. I think this

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Speaker 6: is a great opportunity for us to send the woman's

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Speaker 6: voice to Congress. Out of our four members of the

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Speaker 6: federal delegation, the two senators are the two state reps.

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Speaker 6: We never had a Democratic woman's in Congress from Rhode Island.

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Speaker 6: The state of Rhode Island also has a diversity than

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Speaker 6: we are about twenty five five percent diverse. We have

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Speaker 6: a sixteen percent Latino, eight point nine percent Black, you

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Speaker 6: have the Asian and Leaks race. When you add that together,

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Speaker 6: we're over twenty five percent of people of color. We

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Speaker 6: have never sent a person of color to Congress in

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Speaker 6: the from Rhde Island.

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Speaker 1: Wow, so you're twenty five percent people of color and

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Speaker 1: you've never sent a person of color to Congress.

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Speaker 6: That is correct. So this year we have this opportunity

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Speaker 6: to elect the first Democratic woman to Congress and also

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Speaker 6: the first person of color, a Manfro Latina was born

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Speaker 6: in the Dominican Republic and have been here for the

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Speaker 6: last almost thirty years. I've been in the United States.

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Speaker 6: Came here, didn't speak the language when I arrived, and

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Speaker 6: I've been able to learn English, go get an education

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Speaker 6: in Rhode Island College, serve my community, first in the

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Speaker 6: Providence City Council, now as Lieutenant Governor and now running

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Speaker 6: for Congress thanks to the amazing thing that we have

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Speaker 6: in this country that is called democracy.

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Speaker 1: So tell us a little bit about your views. You

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Speaker 1: have this experience of being self taught, self made, How

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Speaker 1: has that affected your views and what will you do

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Speaker 1: when you're in Congress.

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Speaker 6: The experience that I have of being in the local

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Speaker 6: government helped me a lot to understand when needs to

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Speaker 6: happen in Congress. I have been working a lot in

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Speaker 6: the housing space. Being in the local government, I get

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Speaker 6: to see firsthands whenever there is a fire and a

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Speaker 6: family get displaced, or when the city condemns a property

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Speaker 6: and there's a family that doesn't have a place to go.

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Speaker 6: Most of the time they get one or two days

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Speaker 6: in a by the Red Cross, putin in a hotel.

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Speaker 6: What I have found out, which is so shocking, is

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Speaker 6: that a family in that situation is not a priority

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Speaker 6: based on the federal definition of homelessness. The family because

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Speaker 6: they have a place to state that night they staying

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Speaker 6: in a hotel, they don't meet it the priority to

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Speaker 6: leaves in order to help them find a place to leave.

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Speaker 6: We have to make sure that we change that. Because

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Speaker 6: I remember one pas in which I was helping a

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Speaker 6: family and grandmother that her home was condemned. She had

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Speaker 6: the custody of her two granddaughters. And every time I

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Speaker 6: was trying to call the agencies that all worked with

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Speaker 6: the homelessness, I was raised with the same problem. She's

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Speaker 6: not a priority. She wouldn't become a priority unless they

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Speaker 6: were on the street or into a shelter. Yeah, and

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Speaker 6: a family like that, if the grandmother goes to the

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Speaker 6: street or into the shelter, she lose the custody of

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Speaker 6: the granddaughters. So that makes sense. We have to do

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Speaker 6: things in a different way. So that's the experience that

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Speaker 6: I bring to Congress. The other thing is my fight

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Speaker 6: for a woman's right and for the right for abortion.

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Speaker 6: We have to make sure that we protect the right

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Speaker 6: at the federal level because right now, people like myself,

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Speaker 6: black and Latino women tend to be at a higher

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Speaker 6: disadvantage whenever our law is passed that prohibit abortion in

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Speaker 6: their state.

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Speaker 1: Exactly true.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and Rodorina, we're fortunate that we could afide abortion

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Speaker 6: into law near but there are other states that don't

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Speaker 6: have that, and a woman that can now afford to

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Speaker 6: take time out of work to travel or don't have

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Speaker 6: real resources to travel, some have access to abortion, and

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Speaker 6: then now the latest court ruling that is also coming

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Speaker 6: and gainst the access to abortion through the male when

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Speaker 6: more than fifteen percent of the abortions are done through meditation.

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Speaker 6: That's also something that worries us and that we need

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Speaker 6: to make sure we send someone that's going to fight

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Speaker 6: for women's right.

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Speaker 1: I want to come back to abortion, but I first

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Speaker 1: want to go back to housing for a minute. One

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Speaker 1: of the big problems states like yours have, and states

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Speaker 1: like New York where I live have, and really a

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Speaker 1: problem in the Northeast but also in California, is that

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Speaker 1: housing is just very expensive. It's prohibitively expensive for working families.

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Speaker 1: We've had real trouble with legislating for that. Do you

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Speaker 1: have ideas do you feel like being in Congress you

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Speaker 1: might be able to help with that.

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Speaker 6: Yes, we have to make sure that we send more

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Speaker 6: resources to the states and the local municipalities to build

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Speaker 6: more housing. Here in the state of Rhode Island. One

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Speaker 6: of the biggest challenges that we had is all we

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Speaker 6: have right now, is that we have not been building

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Speaker 6: housing at the pace that we needed to keep up

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Speaker 6: with the popuation growth. That's one of the number one

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Speaker 6: problems that we have. For the first time last year

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Speaker 6: we were able to allocate out of the area funding

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Speaker 6: two hundred and fifty million dollars for housing. That's a

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Speaker 6: big investment for rheinan that we have never seen before.

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Speaker 6: But the problem has grown to be so big that

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Speaker 6: that just makes a little bit of tend and to

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Speaker 6: the housing challenges that we have. We have to make

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Speaker 6: sure that the third level once we send more resources

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Speaker 6: for the states and for the local government to be

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Speaker 6: able to build more affordable housing and to build housing

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Speaker 6: at all income levels, because we hear we have such

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Speaker 6: a big problem that we need housing at all income

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Speaker 6: levels we have not been built in. But also sending

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Speaker 6: resources to how families that are about to become homeless

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Speaker 6: or that suffare and emergency and become homeless. We need

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Speaker 6: to make sure that we send more resources to the

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Speaker 6: local level.

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Speaker 1: So I want to ask you about abortion and the

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Speaker 1: medication abortion. One of the things that I have for

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Speaker 1: a long time been really keenly aware of is just

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Speaker 1: how much the people who suffer when you make abortion

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Speaker 1: illegal are women, women of color, women who are working

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Speaker 1: multiple jobs. Children are And I say this as a

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Speaker 1: mother of three wildly expensive. I mean just in calculator,

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Speaker 1: like the largest indicator of bankruptcy is children. So people

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Speaker 1: who are barely scraping by making a possible for them

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Speaker 1: to be able to manage their own fertility. Talk to

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Speaker 1: me about ways in which you feel that when you're

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Speaker 1: in Congress you could protect these women.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we have to make sure that we protect abortion

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Speaker 6: access at the federal level the same way how we

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Speaker 6: were able to do it here in Rwanda. We have

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Speaker 6: to make sure that it's done at the federal level

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Speaker 6: and now leave the till issue state to make it

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Speaker 6: on the individual decision, because that is what is putting

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Speaker 6: our risks right now, abortion access for so many womens

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Speaker 6: that cannot afford it. They cannot afford to travel out

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Speaker 6: of this state to get an abortion, they cannot afford

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Speaker 6: to take time out of work to go and get

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Speaker 6: an abortion. And right now there are some states are

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Speaker 6: passing legislation that they can even hard for a doctor

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Speaker 6: to make the right decision right their doctor right now

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Speaker 6: that may have to be thinking of checking with their

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Speaker 6: lawyers before they make a medical decision. And that's what

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Speaker 6: is a risk. And if you're not concerned about the

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Speaker 6: woman and the woman's think about if your child is

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Speaker 6: a suffician, is a doctor and have to be put

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Speaker 6: in that position that a medical decision that they may

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Speaker 6: may being used to either take their license away after

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Speaker 6: years of work or either may in that in jail.

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Speaker 6: This is the reality that some states are doing and

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Speaker 6: this is what could happen if we don't do more

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Speaker 1: It recently became Rhode Island lieutenant governor. What have you

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Speaker 1: learned from your time in that position?

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Speaker 6: Yes, I became a lieutenant governor. When Gina Ramande was

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Speaker 6: appointed a Secretary of Commerce, our lieutenant became governor.

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Speaker 1: So you recently got re elected to that position.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I got re elected last year. In the twenty

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Speaker 6: a half years in the role as lieutenant governor, one

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Speaker 6: of the things that I have learned is that going

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Speaker 6: back to the housing need. At the beginning, I used

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Speaker 6: to be a consult number of Providence, which is in

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Speaker 6: the metro area of Rhode Island. Right is a community

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Speaker 6: with a lot of needs, and I thought that the

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Speaker 6: housing problem was just unique to the metro area community.

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Speaker 6: The more I traveled through the state of Rhde Island.

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Speaker 6: I realized that the housing was a big problem in

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Speaker 6: every community. I remember going to Block Island early on

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Speaker 6: as Peutenant governor and learning about the challenges that Block

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Speaker 6: Island is having with housing. And most of the time

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Speaker 6: we don't think about that when we think about Block

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Speaker 6: Island or Newport, but they're having such a big challenge

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Speaker 6: with housing that they're not able to attract not even

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Speaker 6: municipal employees, because they're not able to pay enough for

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Speaker 6: them to be able to afford housing in the island,

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Speaker 6: or they real so much on seasonal workers, and a

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Speaker 6: problem that they're having is that they're not housing a

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Speaker 6: foodaball housing available for the workers to leave when they're there.

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Speaker 6: So it was very surprised to see how the housing

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Speaker 6: is such a big problem even in communities when you

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Speaker 6: didn't think it was going to be a problem.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, really interesting. I mean, housing, I feel like is

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Speaker 1: one of the sort of most important things we're still

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Speaker 1: struggling with for sure, and it feels like there's no

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Speaker 1: way to get on it. One of the things that

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Speaker 1: Rhode Island has been really famous for because it's such

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Speaker 1: a tiny state and you're so affected by climate change

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Speaker 1: and rising tides is legislating for climate. You have one

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Speaker 1: of the absolute all stars, the ogs of climate legislation,

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Speaker 1: my man Sheldon white House, a frequent flyer. Frequent flyer

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Speaker 1: on this podcast. But I'm just curious, you know, as

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Speaker 1: a lieutenant governor, what kind of stuff have you guys

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Speaker 1: done with climate and what does that look like for

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Speaker 1: you guys.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the State of Verrela has been a leader when

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Speaker 6: it comes to the climate space, thanks in big part

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Speaker 6: to senatorshelle On white House was so fortunate to have

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Speaker 6: in here. But we are doing things that we have

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Speaker 6: been at the forefront of the all short wind with

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Speaker 6: the wind Meals of Blog Island. We had been right

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Speaker 6: now in the process of the constructions the beginning of

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Speaker 6: the Revolution Winds which is going to add about four

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Speaker 6: hundred megawads of power to Rhode Island and also told

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Speaker 6: three hundred mayor was to Connectico. We had been working

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Speaker 6: also to incentivize to add electric buses and electric bags.

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Speaker 6: We have been providing incentive for dusta wants to switch

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Speaker 6: from the vehicle from gas vehicle to electric vehicle. And

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Speaker 6: we are making sure that we are providing also free

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Speaker 6: buses which are electric buses. A new line for transportation.

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Speaker 6: So this is some of the things that we have

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Speaker 6: been doing here at the State of Rhode Island. The

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Speaker 6: governor signed the ad on Climate which is going to

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Speaker 6: have a big impact. We want to be the leaders

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Speaker 6: and when it comes to renewables and switching from pussil

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Speaker 6: field to renewable energy. So I'm France feel very proud

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Speaker 6: of the work that Ranana has been doing in this space.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. So tell us again what day

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Speaker 1: your election is.

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Speaker 6: The election is going to be on September fifth, so

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Speaker 6: it's the date after just a day after Labor Day. Wow,

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Speaker 6: so really close.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I hope you'll come back.

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Speaker 6: Thank you so much, Thank you for this opportunity. Molly,

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Speaker 6: and I'll be back good.

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Speaker 1: Thanks No, no mom second, Jesse Cannon.

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Speaker 5: Molly Jong Fast. Oh. Clarence Thomas, I feel like this

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Speaker 5: was kind of like a funny thing he did today.

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Speaker 5: What'd you see here?

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Speaker 1: I thought that was amazing.

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Speaker 5: It's really something.

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Speaker 1: So Clarence Thomas decided finally to disclose all the stuff

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Speaker 1: that pro Publica reported months ago. Look, man, I think

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Speaker 1: his thing was. I don't even know what his thinking was.

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Speaker 1: It was just kind of magic and for that him

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Speaker 1: and his better late than never disclosure is our moment

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Speaker 1: of Fuckeray, okay, wait, stop the press.

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Speaker 5: As MOLLI every year I buy you a cameo for

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Speaker 5: your birthday, and this year, when it dropped on Ari

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Speaker 5: Milburgh's show that Roger Stone said all that stuff about

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Speaker 5: planning January sixth, I knew who I had to choose

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Speaker 5: right then there, and I requested it. Then it took

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Speaker 5: him a little while after your birthday. The posilla been busy,

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Speaker 5: but live on air. This just happened while we were

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Speaker 5: taping the Moment of Fuckery. It came in, so let's

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Speaker 5: listen to what he said.

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Speaker 4: This is Roger Stone with a belated birthday greeting for Molly. Molly,

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry I had missed your birthday on the nineteenth.

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Speaker 4: I understand you went to see the movie Oppenheimer, Complete Propaganda.

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Speaker 4: Oppenheimer was in fact a Russian spy and a Communist.

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Speaker 4: I understand you have a beautiful you love politics. I'd

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Speaker 4: love to invite you to one of my wild parties,

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Speaker 4: but well those are long in the past. Today I'm

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Speaker 4: a dedicated family man, no longer wild, but still loving life.

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Speaker 4: God bless you. Godspeed, and a belated happy birthday.

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Speaker 1: Whoa, whoa.

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Speaker 5: And the best is he was so late that they

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Speaker 5: actually reflected to me, we got that for free.

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Speaker 1: Oh so bad. Oh my god.

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Speaker 5: We have so much fun.

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Speaker 1: That is incredible. That's it for this episode of Fast Politics.

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Speaker 1: Tune in every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday to hear the

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Speaker 1: a friend and keep the conversation going. And again, thanks

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Speaker 1: for listening.