Speaker 1: The following. Here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
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Speaker 1: official Dallas Cowboys at now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls,
Speaker 1: and Micky Spagnola. Well, it's Everson Walls and Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 1: Once again. We're gonna have to spend send a doctor
Speaker 1: over to Bill Jones's house. We're gonna have to get
Speaker 1: a new intro sure making sure that he's okay. But
Speaker 1: he's still under the weather. So we will just continue
Speaker 1: on with Mick Shots on this Wednesday at the SWBC
Speaker 1: podcast studio here in the Star. And it's a kind
Speaker 1: of a glorious fall after a really feels nice right nice, Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: the West afternoon, now, Spags, we come on it noon,
Speaker 1: So it is afternoon, right absolutely, And uh, I was
Speaker 1: glad to see the temperature because I was supposed to
Speaker 1: play tennis tonight at seven o'clock, so I was hoping
Speaker 1: I wasn't going to be free. Man, I saw you
Speaker 1: limping around here. You know, I am not okay, you're
Speaker 1: not around here. I favor you, favor I recovered from
Speaker 1: my two week injury. I sprang okay, I sprained my
Speaker 1: good foot. Oh you didn't tell me. I saw you limping,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, he's still feeling at achilles injury.
Speaker 1: And I hid it right by the big toe, which
Speaker 1: is the worst, right, because you need your big toe
Speaker 1: to do anything athletic or bunyans I do. And that's
Speaker 1: where I hid. That's tort you. It's like, okay, I
Speaker 1: need to get how many times did your case? Man?
Speaker 1: Who did you? Who did your case? And it ain't
Speaker 1: got worse? Yeah, myself because it was a dumb thing.
Speaker 1: I was outside barefoot by the pool when it was raining. Yeah, idiot. Anyway,
Speaker 1: you're right. There's a lot of tours going on here
Speaker 1: today as another one's coming through, and I think they
Speaker 1: can hear us as we started their head right, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: all right, you got it right, I hope this time. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: tell him it's not I did I did. I hear
Speaker 1: you reprimanding bad man. It's like, hey, let's get it right.
Speaker 1: We need credit, that's right. So anyway, uh, cowboys on
Speaker 1: a different schedule than normal. On Wednesday, we just got
Speaker 1: out of the locker room for right at about an hour,
Speaker 1: they will have their team meeting right now. I think
Speaker 1: he was trying to keep them off their feet as
Speaker 1: long as possible, and then McCarthy at three o'clock and
Speaker 1: they will practice at four UM. But it's a closed practice,
Speaker 1: so don't hang around to think you're gonna watch anything.
Speaker 1: If this was back in the day, yeah, and Nat
Speaker 1: and I were talking about it. We made mention of
Speaker 1: it yesterday. This would be one of those games where
Speaker 1: the entire team would have to be in on the
Speaker 1: film session. In other words, you don't save time by
Speaker 1: splitting up into your special team's coach and you watchings
Speaker 1: defensive and then break it even down more into the
Speaker 1: position coaches. I mean, just the DBS watching together, linebackers
Speaker 1: watching in their own room, d lineman their own room.
Speaker 1: When it's a game like this, Tom Langie would make
Speaker 1: all of us kickers, lineman, DBS, running backs, receivers, all
Speaker 1: of us had to watch it together. Now, did you
Speaker 1: have to watch it immediately the day after Monday? Yes,
Speaker 1: we watched it Monday. I think, Yeah, that's what That's
Speaker 1: the way the schedule was too. But man, and it
Speaker 1: probably was hard to watch. And that's what he wanted. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not just the punishment, it's it's about the you know,
Speaker 1: you can face things so many different ways as a coach.
Speaker 1: You know, you can say, well, it's about you know, accountability, Yeah,
Speaker 1: from all sides, which I kind of like that one,
Speaker 1: because you know, you can't tell me something different when
Speaker 1: we know what the truth is in this room, when
Speaker 1: you especially when you see it in in color now
Speaker 1: not black and white. Back and forth, back and forth,
Speaker 1: back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back
Speaker 1: and forth. Okay, thanks coach, I got it. I think
Speaker 1: I got it in that coach. I remember, I blew her.
Speaker 1: I remember one day and it was only like our
Speaker 1: softomore year in high school, and we're watching the game
Speaker 1: film and one of the guys was arguing with the coach. Right.
Speaker 1: Edie goes, okay, I want you to see this right
Speaker 1: that he did that? Back and forth, right and forth.
Speaker 1: He goes, that's what I learned the term film dope.
Speaker 1: Why and see, that's how I watch a game, you know,
Speaker 1: And I know my son is my my little protege,
Speaker 1: so you know, he sits there and patiently listens to me.
Speaker 1: Just go over. I want to the game live game.
Speaker 1: Just stop the game, like, hod, Man, did you see that?
Speaker 1: Sound like, h yeah, Dad, I see it. You know,
Speaker 1: can we catch up to the game real time please,
Speaker 1: because yeah, you just you just see something, you notice it.
Speaker 1: And you said, man, that is not how you do it.
Speaker 1: It's not that we're better than as as older guys.
Speaker 1: We made the same mistakes. Yeah, we made the mistakes.
Speaker 1: That's why we know. That's why I try to teach
Speaker 1: my kids. Don't make the same mistakes I make. You
Speaker 1: gotta make your different mistakes. And that's how you get
Speaker 1: better as a player. Right. You can't keep making the
Speaker 1: same mistakes. You better try to make some difference, you know.
Speaker 1: And that's what sounded like when we were talking to
Speaker 1: the guys about them watching the film and understanding that
Speaker 1: it wasn't effort, it wasn't skill. It was just a
Speaker 1: matter of doing what you're supposed to do and not
Speaker 1: try to do the guys next job to you, and
Speaker 1: and and I was, you know, and I think it
Speaker 1: was never Gallimore was pointing out that, you know, if
Speaker 1: if you got the B gap and the guy next
Speaker 1: to you's got the gap next to you, and he
Speaker 1: jumps in the B gap and there's two guys in
Speaker 1: the B gap. Well, the gap where somebody was supposed
Speaker 1: to be that now means that guy on the offensive
Speaker 1: line is on the linebacker, and the linebacker is not
Speaker 1: gonna make He's cut off, right, he is cut off.
Speaker 1: So the moral of the story was do your job
Speaker 1: and don't get gass. And sometimes yeah, and sometimes the
Speaker 1: play you don't make is the play you make. Now Here,
Speaker 1: here's what I think about good defense. I was there
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys. You know, we hear our Doomsday two
Speaker 1: or whatever you want to call it, and then we
Speaker 1: I was with the Giants, which is really a lesson
Speaker 1: on just how really to play a certain type of
Speaker 1: defense with aggression. I learned to play good defense under
Speaker 1: Tom Landry and Bill Belichick. The thing you have to
Speaker 1: worry about with a good defense is a good defense
Speaker 1: will stop some of the greatest plays that never happened.
Speaker 1: You understand, if if if you have, if your defense
Speaker 1: plays up to snuff, then Aaron Rodgers game never happens.
Speaker 1: You see, there's not Watson doesn't catch three touchdown passes.
Speaker 1: You see, those things don't happen if you play the
Speaker 1: defense correctly. That's the story that will never be told spags.
Speaker 1: You understand what I'm saying. So this moment will never
Speaker 1: happen because I did my job. And I can say that,
Speaker 1: always bring it up about San Francisco. That's the play.
Speaker 1: When you do it right, that history made play should
Speaker 1: never have happened. So when I say that, I critique
Speaker 1: not because I'm better than It's because I've been there, right,
Speaker 1: trust me, I've been there. Well. I went back and
Speaker 1: looked at a lot of the plays. Although during the
Speaker 1: game I was doing what you were doing. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I got to see that again, and I rolled my
Speaker 1: laptop back or the video on my laptop, and it's like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: that's why that happened. And you start seeing things and
Speaker 1: it was like the um, I think it was the
Speaker 1: fourth and seven play, the touchdown to to Watson, yeah. Um.
Speaker 1: And they were in a bunch formation to the right,
Speaker 1: and Watson was the rightest one on the right and
Speaker 1: so he cut behind one guy and the other guy
Speaker 1: crossed his face, so he went underneath and um, and
Speaker 1: he cut right between those two wide receivers going left
Speaker 1: and Bland, who's in the slot. He's playing five yards
Speaker 1: off the line of scrimmage. So when you don't get
Speaker 1: your hands on that guy, he gets through the whole
Speaker 1: point of the bunch, he gets a cross, right, he
Speaker 1: gets a jump, he's running and you're standing flat foot right,
Speaker 1: and then he gets open and then the safety over
Speaker 1: the top hooker was reacting to the two other guys
Speaker 1: instead of the guys that was right right right now.
Speaker 1: Of course, that's by design. Now to me, if I
Speaker 1: see a bunch and I have a safety high, one
Speaker 1: safety high, I'm gonna play to that safety. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be outside, if I'm gonna outside and deep, if
Speaker 1: I'm I'm sorry on top with leverage, right, if I'm
Speaker 1: playing man to man, that's safety. And I know it's
Speaker 1: tempting to go and help those guys, but they have
Speaker 1: their guys, like the two guys to the outside there
Speaker 1: outside the numbers. Right, if you have one high safety,
Speaker 1: don't worry about anybody outside the numbers. That guy crossed
Speaker 1: your face, that's who you should have seen. And he
Speaker 1: threatened him early as well, because there was no one
Speaker 1: over on the other side. There was no one over there.
Speaker 1: And I also noticed on that play that um they
Speaker 1: had the Cowboys had seven guys on the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: Now two dropped off, but they weren't in coverage and
Speaker 1: they didn't drop off where Watson was cutting across. They
Speaker 1: end up having a five man rush and didn't get there,
Speaker 1: which meant he had all the time all the way
Speaker 1: and he really didn't even need it. Yeah, yeah, he was.
Speaker 1: He was open from the beginning, right, and they kid
Speaker 1: he hit him. So anyway, Uh, you know, it's just
Speaker 1: uh and the other and the other thing on Hooker
Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to lay blame, but the two
Speaker 1: other guys that were over there in the bunch, they
Speaker 1: ran short routes, so the safety didn't really have never right,
Speaker 1: And that's kind of how that play turned out. But
Speaker 1: it's amazing when you go back, when you go back
Speaker 1: in and kind of look at the things, um and
Speaker 1: even the two interceptions. Yeah, you know, it was like
Speaker 1: and I could see afterwards watching it and watching Lamb
Speaker 1: how he reacted at the goal line. It was like, Schultz,
Speaker 1: you were supposed to that guy out and then it
Speaker 1: was an easy touchdown because the corner or whoever was
Speaker 1: in the slot covering Lamb, he was outside, he was
Speaker 1: like seven eight yards behind him. It would have been
Speaker 1: an easy throw away. C Lamb caught the same time,
Speaker 1: not the same play, but in the later manner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and just got to clear that guy out. And as
Speaker 1: it ended up, he ended up instead of going out
Speaker 1: like that, he went up and kept it right in
Speaker 1: front of him and you can see it playing his day, right,
Speaker 1: And so they had that discussion on the sideline, and
Speaker 1: there was another play later in the game and they
Speaker 1: did it right. And that's why CD was so wide open.
Speaker 1: And you know what's so crazy, Like you said, it's
Speaker 1: not about blame, but it is about accountability. And so
Speaker 1: let's just be real, CD, for the for a major
Speaker 1: portion of the game, play excellent football. Yeah, there's no
Speaker 1: doubt a bad way. Eleven catches one fifty something like, right, man,
Speaker 1: that's it. That's a day. That's a number one receiver
Speaker 1: right there. Yeah, but you have to have that reputation
Speaker 1: of being that and they'd always have been that dog, right,
Speaker 1: And so that means that every play you're gonna make
Speaker 1: sure that you put your team in a my position.
Speaker 1: So when you have to make that route, when you
Speaker 1: have to run your route, the regardless of who's in there,
Speaker 1: regardless of the contact they might be made. Regardless of
Speaker 1: the mistake or whatever, you gotta go in there and
Speaker 1: keep that guy from cutting you off right as a
Speaker 1: as a wide receiver. And that's what happened on the
Speaker 1: second interception. Going back to the first interception, if Schultz
Speaker 1: had flattened his route off, that safety who made the
Speaker 1: interception forward would have gone with them. That's correct, right,
Speaker 1: and then they would have been open. And then on
Speaker 1: the second one, um, you know they were in two
Speaker 1: deep safeties. The Cowboys went empty. Um they had three
Speaker 1: wide receivers to the left, and Hendershot you know, was
Speaker 1: one of them. And all CD had to do was
Speaker 1: take a right turn like ninety degrees. Yes, you can't
Speaker 1: go forty five behind you, it's made to go forty five.
Speaker 1: But if that safety is there, then yes, you have
Speaker 1: to write it's automatic that you cut it to forty
Speaker 1: five degrees. And that's that's understood between wide receiving quarterback. Right.
Speaker 1: You don't need to look at me for that. He
Speaker 1: did the defensive bat dictates how I my wow period, right.
Speaker 1: And then the other thing I noticed was the ball
Speaker 1: got tipped just a little. I thought it did? It did?
Speaker 1: I thought it did? I thought so, and then when
Speaker 1: I looked at it and I played it back, and
Speaker 1: it looked like the guy just got his fingertips on
Speaker 1: it and you can see the ball wobble, not that
Speaker 1: that was going to make a difference. He would have
Speaker 1: been better off and he hit the damn thing. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's uh, it's quite amazing when you go
Speaker 1: back and look at things and break it down instead
Speaker 1: of reacting to what those guys say on TV. But
Speaker 1: to Olsen's credit, he broke down both of these plays perfectly.
Speaker 1: He saw it right the tight end, knew what the
Speaker 1: tight end was. That's why he gets some of the
Speaker 1: games that he gets. Talking about Olsen, I think his
Speaker 1: his uh detail, his attention to detail is really it's
Speaker 1: up there with the best guys that's on TV. Back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he broke it down and and just immediately to
Speaker 1: see it immediately, didn't need to see a replay right,
Speaker 1: exactly what he saw what happened. Yeah, and even on
Speaker 1: on Schultz's touchdown, you know, he ran a really good
Speaker 1: role he did, and and he just cut to the right,
Speaker 1: but he cut it straight and then made the play
Speaker 1: to get into the end zone. So I know that
Speaker 1: felt good for right, right, know that felt good that
Speaker 1: he's gonna have the tough year. Yeah and so yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, and the tight ends have done a
Speaker 1: really good job. But when you see just one misstep
Speaker 1: and it's like, it's amazing, even in coverage, when when
Speaker 1: you watch coverage and I've noticed this, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: you noticed it when you were safety, all you gotta
Speaker 1: do is take one step the wrong way and you
Speaker 1: can't recover. It's amazing. It's basically against the good quarterback, right,
Speaker 1: just one step and you leave that spot open and
Speaker 1: there it goes. All right, you can put your head
Speaker 1: down and digging and all you want. Right, it's too late,
Speaker 1: it's yeah. So anyway, when they talk about technique and
Speaker 1: you know, do your job, that's what this is. I mean,
Speaker 1: they've sprung a leak now, and guess what Minnesota's gonna
Speaker 1: do on Sunday? Right, And not to mention and we'll
Speaker 1: get to this next um. Justin Jefferson just happened to
Speaker 1: be the NFC offensive player on the week, Right, And
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there going somewhere, Watson going, why do you
Speaker 1: have to have a game like that this week? That
Speaker 1: was my award, right. I don't know how it could
Speaker 1: have been better, but his was spectacular lead better and
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Speaker 1: The Cowboys now have to turn their attention towards the
Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings eight and one. Who to thunk it? Well,
Speaker 1: nobody did? I remember? We talked around four games ago
Speaker 1: and I said that they were the one that the
Speaker 1: most underrated team. And it wasn't because of their play,
Speaker 1: it's because no one's paying attention, right, no one. First
Speaker 1: of all, no one expected it, and no one's paying attention.
Speaker 1: And they're in there and I can't remember if I
Speaker 1: said this here or somewhere else, but I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: it again, and they're with all these comebacks they've had,
Speaker 1: right almost every game, it seems like they're dead, and
Speaker 1: then they come back. And I said, it's like, and
Speaker 1: this will go over most people's heads that's not at
Speaker 1: least fifty years old. But I said, it's like those
Speaker 1: old spaghetti westerns, right when they shoot the guy and
Speaker 1: he spins and turns, and shoot him and he turns
Speaker 1: and he won't go down, right, And that's what they are.
Speaker 1: They just they don't go down, they somehow survive and
Speaker 1: you know, this last game, same thing. Let's hope that
Speaker 1: they've had enough of those, right point. Yeah, let's hope
Speaker 1: that we are the team that stops them from doing that,
Speaker 1: because you look at that and say, they can't keep
Speaker 1: doing this the entire season. Someone's gonna come along and
Speaker 1: you know, buck the chrant. So they're they're point differential
Speaker 1: is only thirty five points. Think about how all these
Speaker 1: close shaves, you know, eight nine games now they've played
Speaker 1: nine nine games, so that's you got it. Keep it going.
Speaker 1: Wait nine times, that's four points a game, right, that's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, five yeah, boy, But you know they win.
Speaker 1: So it uh goes back to you know what I
Speaker 1: said about Dak saying you got to make the plays
Speaker 1: that matter, right, and the Cowboys these forget numbers, right,
Speaker 1: forget numbers. Buffalo was supposed to win that game. Let's
Speaker 1: forget numbers, right. It's about the moments, right, And that's
Speaker 1: that's where we've also failed ourselves. You see. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean we go back to I'm still mad about
Speaker 1: the San Francisco game with the referee in the way,
Speaker 1: who has the ball? I mean, give me a break. See,
Speaker 1: those moments for us have not been kind, right because
Speaker 1: we have a team, and we talked about this yesterday,
Speaker 1: I think a little bit. You gotta know how to win.
Speaker 1: Those are the moments where you know how to win.
Speaker 1: You're poised, you're ready for the opportunistic moments. We're never
Speaker 1: ready for that. Matter of fact, we create moments for
Speaker 1: other teams in that situation. And that's different because before
Speaker 1: the last two years, we were the team that did
Speaker 1: well under pressure. Yeah, and now we we were that
Speaker 1: team that we keep second guessing ourselves where we should
Speaker 1: have called the time out there. Man, we would have
Speaker 1: called the time out there and the challenge this. We
Speaker 1: seem to be missing those moments. And that's just not
Speaker 1: from the players, that's from the coaches as well. You know,
Speaker 1: it's funny you brought up the the play from last
Speaker 1: year looking for the referee with the ball. So it's
Speaker 1: like every time there's a hurry up and I and
Speaker 1: I see it and I see this guy come running
Speaker 1: up real fast, and I go, where are you last year?
Speaker 1: And it's like you're back there basking in the sun.
Speaker 1: What that guy? And sometimes it's the one of the
Speaker 1: other guys comes up and grabs it, didn't wait for
Speaker 1: the umpire. Well, nobody wants to be uh god, what's
Speaker 1: the why the wide receiver's name that screwed up? Was
Speaker 1: it when he was with the Colts with the Steelers
Speaker 1: where he wanted to show off after he caught the
Speaker 1: pass for the first down his last two minutes, he
Speaker 1: wants to show off and do his stuff right center,
Speaker 1: his own center came and grabbed the ball from him
Speaker 1: and they got into an argument what it was. And
Speaker 1: you know what, that's the other thing I've noticed. I've
Speaker 1: noticed the center going to the spot, grabbing the ball
Speaker 1: and bringing it back and and everybody's learning and he's
Speaker 1: looking around. Okay where he at hand? You the ball? Um? Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was a lot of fault uh in that in
Speaker 1: that plate. So what about what about the injuries personnel? Yeah,
Speaker 1: signed somebody, Well they did um to the practice squad. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: So basically it was practice squad stuff. So the wide
Speaker 1: receiver they signed and Tonio Callaway, who has had a
Speaker 1: history of knucklehead itis going all the way back to Florida, Wow,
Speaker 1: where he had been suspended multiple times for different things.
Speaker 1: He was a fourth round draft choice of Cleveland, and
Speaker 1: he ended up getting suspended there twice, once four games
Speaker 1: as a rookie for substance testing positive for substance, and
Speaker 1: then his second year he had a ten game suspension
Speaker 1: that one't didn't say, but I'm assuming right because it
Speaker 1: was a second offense. Uh. And then they let him
Speaker 1: go and he got picked up. Um, I don't know why,
Speaker 1: I'm guessing I wrote all this down. Uh. And then
Speaker 1: he got picked up by Miami and he ended up
Speaker 1: getting suspended there. But you can't go to Miami with
Speaker 1: a substance abuse problem, right, And then Kansas City they
Speaker 1: ended up releasing him. And then Kansas City signs him
Speaker 1: to the practice squad, and then he got released injury
Speaker 1: with an injury, so he hasn't He played five games
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty and hadn't played a game yet since.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if it's a body or what
Speaker 1: they're looking for. We'll find out. When we talked to
Speaker 1: McCarthy at three oh and, I said, yeah, I did
Speaker 1: say he went to Kansas City and then they released
Speaker 1: him off longup, just line up, but you know what,
Speaker 1: and I'm not I'm not defending Toilbert. You can but
Speaker 1: you don't have a blue line on the field, right.
Speaker 1: And after he scooted his foot back like a couple
Speaker 1: of inches, a couple of inches, he was right on.
Speaker 1: It was like right on the line, right, but his
Speaker 1: head was still his head was a line right. But
Speaker 1: they don't call offside, they really well Belichick had it
Speaker 1: called in the Super Bowl right against the Rams, if
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, But yeah, that's I mean, that was
Speaker 1: one of those things where if he was a foothold,
Speaker 1: I mean a yard over, I could see it it
Speaker 1: was and it had nothing to do with the play.
Speaker 1: That was the worst thing. I mean, come on, man,
Speaker 1: I mean you know what. I was a wide receiver,
Speaker 1: you know, but that was in high school, and trust me,
Speaker 1: I would not be offsides. I would just look at
Speaker 1: the yard line there and I mean, come on, it's
Speaker 1: right there. I always thought it was silly that the
Speaker 1: wide receivers had to check with the referee anyway, don't
Speaker 1: you know what the line is. That's just me make sure,
Speaker 1: well the referee is least looking straight. I mean, if
Speaker 1: I'm lining up on the wide receiver, I don't have
Speaker 1: to check with the let's see if I'm offside. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what after that, and I had the wrong
Speaker 1: play when I was watching what it was after there
Speaker 1: was no one close to the line of scrimmage and
Speaker 1: I'm going, oh, they're gonna call him for not enough
Speaker 1: guys on the line of scrimmage, right, and it was like,
Speaker 1: that's all far back everyone. Yeah, they gave the other
Speaker 1: guy a half yard head start on covering him. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so anyway they did that. Uh, they signed brock Hoffman
Speaker 1: to the practice squad. He's a center, and I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: so what they've been doing to bring in a backup
Speaker 1: center has been the Shepley, but they've already elevated him twice.
Speaker 1: So unless you're gonna put him on the fifty three,
Speaker 1: you need another center that probably you can elevate if
Speaker 1: the guy's good enough. Although he not have a job,
Speaker 1: and everybody has fifty three guys on their roster and
Speaker 1: usually all sixteen on their practice squad and he didn't
Speaker 1: have a job, so anyway he's the center. And then
Speaker 1: they on the practice squad tack McKinley. I think we've
Speaker 1: probably heard his name before. Um, I'm thinking dan Quinn
Speaker 1: had him and wouldn't know exactly who he is, and
Speaker 1: what high school he he's a linebacker slash. He's basically
Speaker 1: a pass rusher. Yeah, it's tack with two k's by
Speaker 1: the way, Oh okay, two k So anyway, Uh, they've
Speaker 1: they've they've signed him to the practice squad, uh to
Speaker 1: make room uh to a foy Uh, the offensive lineman
Speaker 1: they released off the practice squad. And then Alec Lindstrom
Speaker 1: has gone to practice squad injured. So the Vikings also,
Speaker 1: but they signed some guys too, right at that part,
Speaker 1: I'm not aware, you know what. No, that was Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: Remember mc tac McKinley actually worked out with the Cowboys
Speaker 1: like it was Pard. Yes, yes, that's what I'm correctly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And they didn't they did not sign him at that time. No.
Speaker 1: I wonder I didn't look up to see where he
Speaker 1: had been or if he's been somewhere or just sitting
Speaker 1: at home waiting for something. But I think he's just
Speaker 1: been sitting. He's kind of a pass rusher, you know.
Speaker 1: They don't need pass rushers. They need somebody to set
Speaker 1: the edge against the run, you know, And I think
Speaker 1: that's you know everybody. I am so curious. I wish
Speaker 1: I could have been in the room to hear while
Speaker 1: they're not to hear, just to see whether adjustments are
Speaker 1: gonna be made, right, because you're not signing anybody else
Speaker 1: to play, right, you got what you got. We're not
Speaker 1: signing another player, another defensive linement or whatever to stop
Speaker 1: the run. What are we gonna do? I want to
Speaker 1: know what adjustments because if I recalled and I don't
Speaker 1: know who the defensive defensive coordinator was for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: under Jimmy was Wanstead, but Butch and Butch Davis, I
Speaker 1: would wonder what kind of adjustments Butch Davis would make
Speaker 1: in this situation. As well as only starting back in
Speaker 1: my day. Well, I saw a couple plays where the
Speaker 1: defensive end was acting like he was rushing the quarterback
Speaker 1: and here comes Aaron Jones running right by him like
Speaker 1: he never saw him, and he was still pushing right
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, you got to play the run
Speaker 1: on the way of the quarterback. Well, at that point
Speaker 1: of the game, especially in run run down, what you
Speaker 1: mean that's when he cut backside? Yeah, and now that
Speaker 1: no excuses, but that at that point of the game
Speaker 1: maybe well, already everything was obviated off the whales and
Speaker 1: McKinley was signed by Tennessee on September sixteenth to the
Speaker 1: practice squad, and then the Rams plucked him off their
Speaker 1: practice quad on September twenty first, and then the Rams
Speaker 1: released him on October eighteen, so they had to keep
Speaker 1: him for three weeks and then released ye, so we'll see. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but those defensive ends, specially anybody playing on that right
Speaker 1: side of the defense, has to be aware that that
Speaker 1: you know that pitch is coming, but now and then
Speaker 1: once again, do as we made the adjustment. We opened
Speaker 1: ourselves up to the counter play, which is the runs
Speaker 1: up the middle. They cut back, they had they actually
Speaker 1: had a pitch, Aaron Rodgers would pitch it, but Jones
Speaker 1: came right back right to where Aaron Rodgers was standing,
Speaker 1: so he came back against the grain. That was a
Speaker 1: pretty good play and it worked every time. And that's
Speaker 1: the counter right to all of the outside plays where
Speaker 1: we lost content. And on one of those, the guy
Speaker 1: that was playing the slot on defense, Um, he was
Speaker 1: going to make the play and the receiver just clocks
Speaker 1: him from behind. Yeah, I thought you were supposed to
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, now you're supposed to be illegal. No,
Speaker 1: you can't do I don't care where you're only he's
Speaker 1: gonna the tackle and he just pushed them down. And
Speaker 1: it's like I asked Dan Quinn about it, and he said, yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw that, just like yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw.
Speaker 1: Don't want to make too many excuses, yeah, referees, because
Speaker 1: then you end up with a Connor Williams situation. McKinley
Speaker 1: played one game for the Rams this year verse the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. Oh did he he did? He got assistant tackle,
Speaker 1: So an assist. That's it? All right? Well, thanks for
Speaker 1: that assist from Chris Beam and to assist him. I'm
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Speaker 1: to day. I think I've seen Stevie Nixon concert like twice.
Speaker 1: The first time when she was playing with Fleetwood Mac.
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Speaker 1: second time she was on her own in Jackson, Mississippi,
Speaker 1: and it was it wasn't quite there. You are a
Speaker 1: Southern dude, don't you well. I've been in the South
Speaker 1: quite a bit, almost your whole life, in South Carolina, Jackson, Mississippi,
Speaker 1: and then Dallas, Texas, which I never thought was in
Speaker 1: the South. Until I got here Southwest. Well, yeah, the
Speaker 1: Southerners don't call us I know, yeah, they got this
Speaker 1: thing going on. But there were some Southern philosophies I
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Speaker 1: get started on South Carolina back in nineteen seventy five,
Speaker 1: by the way, Oh wow, that's tough. Three. It was
Speaker 1: four years so four years removed from and I had
Speaker 1: a friend there that he went to not only they
Speaker 1: hadn't integrated the schools yet, but he went to the
Speaker 1: boys school and they had girls school. And I said,
Speaker 1: so did they have that for the other folks in town?
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Speaker 1: that was my introduction to South Carolina. How many years ago?
Speaker 1: Almost fifty years ago? All right, So I wanted to
Speaker 1: make sure we talked about this because it was an unusual,
Speaker 1: uncommon performance by Luke Gifford Special teams. Yes, five tackles. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm glad we talked about yeah, because I remember bringing
Speaker 1: it up. I yelled it out before one of my shows,
Speaker 1: after one of my shows, And do you think I'm wondering,
Speaker 1: do you think that that qualifies him for a shot?
Speaker 1: That playing linebacker well, I was hoping in regular downs
Speaker 1: and I asked him, I said, so, and you had
Speaker 1: a recovered fumble, Yes he did. I said, how do
Speaker 1: you not get name NFC Special Teams Player of the week.
Speaker 1: And he goes, oh, the kicker from Washington had a
Speaker 1: really good game. He made a bunch of field goals.
Speaker 1: I guess in that winner those were yah. Yes, So
Speaker 1: so anyway, he goes, yeah, I think I lost out.
Speaker 1: He goes, of all days, right, I don't know, so
Speaker 1: I said, how, I said, and they won and they right?
Speaker 1: I said, this obviously had to be the most you've
Speaker 1: ever had. He goes, yeah, my rookie year. He goes,
Speaker 1: I think it was the Giants game. I had three
Speaker 1: and he goes, I've never you know, come close to
Speaker 1: that or more. And I said five. And I said,
Speaker 1: that's got to be like a team, right, And they
Speaker 1: weren't uh you know, chasing the guy down right, And no,
Speaker 1: he made flopping in exactly Yeah. Now he made serious
Speaker 1: uh stops right that really kind of saved it from
Speaker 1: going extra yards. And just the hustle that he had
Speaker 1: going for the fumble. I thought he made another play
Speaker 1: he did or he missed? He said he missed one
Speaker 1: that he should have had said, I should have had
Speaker 1: and you know that's his mentality. I have five, I
Speaker 1: should have had six. Right. Uh. I wonder if they
Speaker 1: tracked those special teams tackles, like if I went and
Speaker 1: looked at Bill Bates game by game, although that's a
Speaker 1: lot of years they go game by game, but to
Speaker 1: see if he's ever had or Kenny Gant, the guys
Speaker 1: that were really good special teams players, Uh, for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and even C. J. Goodwin is has led
Speaker 1: the team and special teams tackles behind he ever had five,
Speaker 1: both of those guys together, Yeah, they come. When they
Speaker 1: come together on special teams, something's good is gonna happen.
Speaker 1: So Fossil keeps a chart and gives them points throughout
Speaker 1: the year for different things. Right, and he said, normally
Speaker 1: what you're trying to hit is five hundred points and
Speaker 1: he goes, So we said, so how many points you
Speaker 1: think he got Gifford guid in that game? And he
Speaker 1: goes probably a hundred. It was like, that's how good
Speaker 1: the performance was. But to go back to your point,
Speaker 1: give him a chance at linebacker many see, you know,
Speaker 1: if he's just one of those guys. Okay, so speaking
Speaker 1: of NFC players of the week, guess who was the
Speaker 1: offensive NFC player of the week. Jefferson? Justin Jefferson and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys gonna contend with him when you've seen him play.
Speaker 1: What makes him so difficult to be able to contain?
Speaker 1: First of all, his length. His length is amazing, as
Speaker 1: you saw with the one handed catch and not just kiss,
Speaker 1: but it was a one handed takeaway. You're right, you
Speaker 1: know he took it away from the dB A. His
Speaker 1: vertical is up there. Yeah, so you're dealing with an
Speaker 1: extremely athletic kid, and just because he's long and lanky,
Speaker 1: there's routes are not He's very quick footed, he has
Speaker 1: much control of his body. He's basically a contortionist when
Speaker 1: the ball goes up in the air. So he's going
Speaker 1: to challenge you for those fifty fifty balls, which is
Speaker 1: always tough for a defensive Backles used to doing the same.
Speaker 1: When the ball is in the air, you expect for
Speaker 1: Dicks to come down with it. Yeah, if it's up
Speaker 1: to heat and the wide receiver, this is going to
Speaker 1: be an issue to where you're gonna have to contend
Speaker 1: with the wide receiver. Before you go up for the ball.
Speaker 1: When you when you have a player like that, you
Speaker 1: cannot give him room or space to gather and go
Speaker 1: up for the ball. So you gotta get into his body.
Speaker 1: You gotta get into his body, and you have to
Speaker 1: be quicker than he is. Digs is quicker and faster
Speaker 1: than he is. Uh. Just Jefferson has the long legs
Speaker 1: and he has the balance. But you need to be
Speaker 1: into his into his body, and you need to have
Speaker 1: leverage on him at all times. You know what I
Speaker 1: need to do is go back and look and see
Speaker 1: how they dealt with him last year because they helped
Speaker 1: Minnesota the seventeen points. Yeah, he's different, he's a different player. No,
Speaker 1: he's a different player. So here's what Nate said. Nate
Speaker 1: made a good point about Michael Irvin and going against
Speaker 1: double teams. Jefferson didn't know how to go against double
Speaker 1: teams last year. Now he knows. You know, you you
Speaker 1: you know. It's like anything else. You gotta work one guy.
Speaker 1: You can't work double team two guys. You gotta work
Speaker 1: one guy. And they he learned that, uh this year,
Speaker 1: and that was something that Michael Irvin, all the good
Speaker 1: receivers Cooper. Cooper cups. He does that. He works against
Speaker 1: two receivers, two dvs all the time, so he has
Speaker 1: learned to do that. But when it comes down to it,
Speaker 1: if you have a defensive back that doesn't need a
Speaker 1: double team, and you guys are just gonna say, this
Speaker 1: is gonna be our matchup of the game, I think
Speaker 1: Dix can handle this guy. So I was going to
Speaker 1: ask you that, so say, uh, Anthony Brown said he
Speaker 1: was still in concussion protocol and he said he would
Speaker 1: probably be in it till Friday and then they'll see
Speaker 1: if he's able to play or not. Say he's not
Speaker 1: able to play? Did you just put Diggs? Would you
Speaker 1: just put Digs on Justin Jefferson? Take your chances. I
Speaker 1: don't care if if Brown was playing. I would still
Speaker 1: do that on Justin Jefferson. But the problem you have
Speaker 1: is Stale Right, did I say his name or yeah? Yeeldeeling?
Speaker 1: Is that's an all pro? You know we're looking at
Speaker 1: the Jefferson over here? Feeling? Is a Cooper Cup feeling
Speaker 1: is is you know, he's that that slot guy that
Speaker 1: you have to contend with. Right, So the matchups to me,
Speaker 1: I still put Jefferson Diggs on Jefferson, but I still
Speaker 1: know I have I have feeling to contend with, and
Speaker 1: not just some of the times. He is a what
Speaker 1: seventy eighty reception receiver right Pro Bowl, All Pro, So
Speaker 1: you have to deal with this as well. That's why
Speaker 1: there they've only lost one game, because these are people
Speaker 1: that you have to contend with, not to mention all
Speaker 1: the other talent they have in the backfield. So I
Speaker 1: was talking with Jordan Lewis. That was the first time
Speaker 1: i'd seen him in the locker room on his little scooter,
Speaker 1: who He's got a cast on his foot fractured, and
Speaker 1: he said he had to wear that four weeks and
Speaker 1: they were going to put another cast and then they
Speaker 1: have to have surgery again to take the pins out.
Speaker 1: So it's like it's like that you're you're, you're, you're
Speaker 1: out for the season. Yeah, and he goes, well, if
Speaker 1: they make a deep run in the play, that's like,
Speaker 1: I don't he's okay. So I asked him, I said, so,
Speaker 1: what makes uh Jefferson so good? I said, you've covered him.
Speaker 1: He goes out, Yeah, we covered him last year. He said,
Speaker 1: it's his suddenness. He comes out of his breaks so fast. Uh,
Speaker 1: I mean off his takeoff. And then he said he
Speaker 1: comes out of the breaks in and out so fast. Uh.
Speaker 1: He said he can do it all, and he goes
Speaker 1: on top of it. And I thought, this is very good.
Speaker 1: He said, he's a very vicious competitor. You can see it.
Speaker 1: So got a little Michael Irvy. You can see it.
Speaker 1: You can see it. And so you know, when when
Speaker 1: the ball's in the air for him, it's mine, it's mine.
Speaker 1: I mean he saw, he showed it. I mean, you
Speaker 1: don't give up one thing. Night. We saw two of
Speaker 1: the best catches you might see in in that entire
Speaker 1: decade in one game, right, you know, between digs and
Speaker 1: and uh and Jefferson. And by the way, I didn't
Speaker 1: bring it with Oh no I did. So he's fourth
Speaker 1: in the NFL in receptions and he's second in yards.
Speaker 1: He is averaging um fifteen point four yards a catch.
Speaker 1: Now that guy's a load. He Uh just broke Randy
Speaker 1: Moss record for consecutive one games. Oh is that what
Speaker 1: it was? Yes? Okay, yes, yes, I believe he's he's
Speaker 1: so what are we at nine? They've got nine games
Speaker 1: and he's had one thousand and sixty yards receiving already,
Speaker 1: it's got a half a season almost to play. I mean,
Speaker 1: he can he get to two thousand? Hey, but you know,
Speaker 1: so we could sit here and talk all about stopping
Speaker 1: the run. But you better take care of that, you know. Hey,
Speaker 1: Hey Bradley, Oh we should he's going. I guess we
Speaker 1: can always do that. Do something with Douglas. But when
Speaker 1: you when you look at a player like that, that's
Speaker 1: it's football, man. So who's our play with it? It's Biggs? Right?
Speaker 1: Can you have on him? I got him coach right,
Speaker 1: put me in coaching ready to go. All I could.
Speaker 1: All I can do is I've gone to or either
Speaker 1: watched on TV or been there when he was playing
Speaker 1: at LSU. And all I can in my back of
Speaker 1: my mind, all I can hear is that announcer at
Speaker 1: LSU going touchdown, just Jefferson. That boy, he wore that
Speaker 1: line out so many times at LSU. So he was
Speaker 1: pretty good. So, uh, I think we survived another one
Speaker 1: without Bill right, we didn't get that high school for
Speaker 1: Antonio Kellaway, but I bet he'll text it is yet.
Speaker 1: I told him if he can't make it on Friday,
Speaker 1: we're doing a phone hookup so he can make his
Speaker 1: pick to click right. That's all we need. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: we're bringing in at the end of the show, or
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