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Speaker 1: It's twenty six degrees in Jacksonville, it's four in London.

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Speaker 2: Is one degree on the isle of sky Chili? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: What temperature is it in Chile?

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is still Talk, the official Jacksonville, Jankus UK

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Speaker 1: and Island podcast, presented by Gallagher.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jay Lawrence.

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Speaker 1: In new addition, he is Key Ramsuran. Big show today,

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Speaker 1: always a big show, but big show today. Safety Andrew

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Speaker 1: Winger joins the podcast. Our friend Jason Bell was of

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Speaker 1: course coming up as per now this time last week, Key,

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Speaker 1: I was I was in shock.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was shocked. This week.

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Speaker 1: I'm in shock, but for a very very different reason. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thirty five six the Jags beat the LA Chargers. Key,

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Speaker 1: extraordinary wind. Talk about a bounce back.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, absolutely, Sus is which team do we recognize?

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Speaker 3: Do we recognize the team that showed up against Houston

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Speaker 3: or do we recognize the team that showed up against

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Speaker 3: the Chargers, because those are two very different teams. Honestly,

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Speaker 3: week to week. I was thinking during that game, if

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Speaker 3: you showed someone who didn't know American football those two

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Speaker 3: games and said this is the same team, I don't

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Speaker 3: think they'd believe you.

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Speaker 2: I know which one I'm choosing to uh.

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Speaker 3: One hyeah. That Charger's performance was unrecognizable compared to the

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I think that what I really appreciated about

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Speaker 1: could have gone after that Texans defeat, which is you're

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Speaker 1: stewing the disappointment you don't quite come back from it,

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Speaker 1: you know, mentally maybe you're not there, or you can

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Speaker 1: use it to spur you on. And I mean this

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Speaker 1: was just that end that and a half. And what

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Speaker 1: was really great as well is that you can say

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Speaker 1: this is all about mentality, player mentality.

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Speaker 2: And all of that.

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Speaker 1: And obviously I do think that is a big thing

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Speaker 1: is to be like, well, Liam Cohen knew what he

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Speaker 3: There, so for me, you've just nailed it. So I

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Speaker 3: was thinking, well, what's the difference, because I'm just going

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Speaker 3: to say it this time last year, I feel that

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Speaker 3: the Jaguars go into that Chargers game and we lose

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Speaker 3: it again. This year, we bounce back, the team is

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Speaker 3: unrecognizable from the previous week. What's the difference? The difference

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Speaker 3: is Liam Cohen, what a difference he has made? To

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Speaker 3: how those players went into that game on Sunday. He's

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Speaker 3: changed the culture. He's changed the attitude. They gave everything

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Speaker 3: that they had to give. Rather than going into that

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Speaker 3: game feeling, oh, well, we lose to Houston, we're resigned

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Speaker 3: to the fact that we're not very good. That was

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Speaker 3: not the attitude that we saw on Sunday. The attitude was,

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Speaker 3: we are going to give everything that we have because

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Speaker 3: we've seen this season that they can perform, and that's

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Speaker 3: what they chose to do. They chose to give everything

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Speaker 3: in practice all week. You could see it and you

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Speaker 3: could read about it, how much players were putting in

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Speaker 3: that surely all comes from the head coach, don't you think.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that there is. Well, that is why

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Speaker 1: that a head coach. I know it's gonna sound dumb.

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Speaker 1: because that's that's what they're there for. Because you can

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Speaker 1: They need to get the most out of all of that.

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Speaker 1: Exactly what I was thinking about. You can have an

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Speaker 1: of it comes together without Steven Spielberg, Christopher No, none

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Speaker 1: of it comes together without the director. You can have

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Speaker 1: the best best boy in a world. Do you ever

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Speaker 1: watched the credits and you see best Boy?

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, I've been the best boy?

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Speaker 4: Anyway?

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Speaker 2: What were your best at at being me?

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Speaker 1: The only negative in this in this game I can

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Speaker 3: But apart from that, hey, you know what we were.

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Speaker 3: I can live with one bad throw like that. That's

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Speaker 1: And I think that what it's a really great feeling,

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Speaker 1: Thirty five six victory against a good LA Charges team.

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Speaker 2: In this game. And of course there was a record

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we love to see it. I'm just going to say,

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Speaker 3: I know Jason's not here, but let's talk about last

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Speaker 3: week's predictions and who said that. Josh was. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it was always going to happen.

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Speaker 2: Was not about to say, you know what a completely

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Speaker 3: No one expected, no, dude. It's it's fantastic to see Josh.

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Speaker 3: Josh deserves it, man Like it hasn't been his best

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Speaker 3: You love to see it. Also, he's one of the

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Speaker 3: nicest people you'll ever see playing American football, so I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, congratulations to Josh. Heines Allen.

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Speaker 3: That the whole defensive line, the whole offensive line, like

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Speaker 3: that is a completely different performance to that game was

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Speaker 3: won in the trenches. We often say like, and you know,

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Speaker 3: and lost in the trenches, and that's where it happened.

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Speaker 3: They won that game in the trenches on Sunday. It

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Speaker 3: was so you would say that they were so physical. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 3: they were so dominant. It was excellent.

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Speaker 1: And you know, this wasn't a massive passing game really either.

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Speaker 3: They really took opportunity to Jason said early on in

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Speaker 2: One hundred and ninety two yards?

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Speaker 1: And I mean two touchdowns for travistyt and Junior bachhef

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Speaker 1: Nice to see Jacobe Meyers get into the game a

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Speaker 3: As well, coming up with touchdown.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, lovely, yeah exactly.

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Speaker 1: So overall I think we can say we're happy with

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Speaker 1: that game. Of course, when Jason comes in, we'll talk

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Speaker 1: the upcoming game against the Cardinals as well. Jake, can

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Speaker 1: I just say one thing we've talked about it almost

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Speaker 1: every week, which is penalties. Yes, I meant to say sorry,

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Speaker 3: How good? One penalty five yards? Excellent.

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Speaker 1: Let's say that I was watching the game and it

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Speaker 1: got to about halftime. I thought, what was different? Yes

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Speaker 1: this is cleaner. Yeah, this is just cleaner.

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Speaker 3: Cleaner is such a good word for it, dude.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Six and four still hold the number seven spot in

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Speaker 1: the AFC, of course, behind the Indianapolis Cults in the

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Speaker 1: all to play for, really in the division, all to

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Speaker 1: three hours later some big news comes out and you're.

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Speaker 2: Like, Okay, too late to rerecord. That's annoying.

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Speaker 1: Because now Travis Hunter is out for this season of course,

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Speaker 1: we know he went on ir with a non contact

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Speaker 1: disappointing for his rookie campaign. Disappointing not to get him

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: You always want to hear the word successful before the

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Speaker 3: word surgery, and that's what we heard. So, yes, disappointing

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So we look forward to that and you know what,

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Speaker 2: Played a lot.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of players out and to perform like

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Speaker 3: this team can contend.

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Speaker 2: Of course, playoffs.

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Speaker 3: Playoffs insight, Baby, here we go on books insite. All right,

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Speaker 3: let's quarter.

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Speaker 2: Did you your third quarter?

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Speaker 1: I'm knowing you you would have bought it in about

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Speaker 1: the second quarter of the first game of the season.

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Speaker 3: To be fair, Jay, the truth is when it was

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Speaker 3: I went to sleep at the end of the third

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Speaker 3: quarter last week thinking everything's fine, and then I woke up.

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Speaker 3: I watched the fourth quarter the next morning, so when

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Speaker 2: Just as a side note, I was looking at.

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Speaker 1: Not that even I was thinking about I'm thinking about

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Speaker 1: going or whatever, but I was looking at how much

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Speaker 1: tickets were to some Jags games, and I was looking

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Speaker 1: at Jackson Belle. No, this one was actually I was

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Speaker 1: looking in Tennessee because obviously Tennessee haven't got the best

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Speaker 1: I suppose if you do fancy trip out to see

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Speaker 1: the Jags, go to Nashville seven quid.

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Speaker 2: Seven quid a ticket.

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Speaker 3: Wow, how many points have you got that you could

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Speaker 3: get a super cheap flight and you're spending.

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Speaker 1: Exactly. Do you know what, There's there's something in that.

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Speaker 1: There's something in that I can I can have a look.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's go over to Jason Bell, NFL pundit,

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Speaker 1: Jason Bell, let's talk all things. The winner, getst the

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Speaker 1: change of course, and we'll look forward to the next

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Speaker 3: We have NFL pundit Jason Bell with us as always,

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Speaker 3: fresh off of NFL Espanya. Jason, how was it? How

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Speaker 4: Man, But I like how you set me up. I mean,

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Speaker 1: And you get to combine that with coming home. So

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Speaker 2: Which Jacks player, are you going to give the game ball?

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Speaker 4: I mean Josh heines Allen, then he set a record.

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Speaker 5: Let's go Trevor.

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Speaker 4: Lawrence wants to throw the ball in between the numbers

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Speaker 4: You need somebody with some courage to go make it happen.

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Speaker 2: Well, what about what needs to improve?

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Speaker 4: So I think they're gonna have to continue to be consistent. Right,

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Speaker 1: Well, let's move on to this week, and then how

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Speaker 4: Stop the run, man to make Jacoby, I mean, make yeah,

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Speaker 1: But let's talk more about about that actually that game

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Speaker 6: Just keeping that consistency, it's everything because it's too hard

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Speaker 4: You gotta control that. And that discipline also allows you

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Speaker 4: Same thing has to happen this week. They found a

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Speaker 3: Jason, I'm really glad you've brought up Liam Cohen and

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Speaker 3: For me, it was like the best play calling that

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Speaker 4: Mentality and trust? I mean, right, you're coming off of

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Speaker 1: I think mentality is such a I know it's like

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Speaker 2: What do they have?

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Speaker 1: Well, they have a winning mentality. It's been it's been clear,

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Speaker 4: Yeah. And the mentality comes through situations, right, you have

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Speaker 4: We were faced with this challenge. We overcame it. This

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Speaker 4: You've been there before. Everybody's come, everybody's cool. It's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Okay, let's move on to the predictions. The mini

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Speaker 1: So is Jason eight. J seven Key. You'll be glad

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Speaker 1: And Josh Heines Allen to break the record, which we

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Speaker 4: Twenty eight fourteen twenty boom wow, lovely whoa two scores?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Now why are you going?

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Speaker 2: Why are you going to? You know so so cavaliers

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Speaker 4: I feel like they just this is a turner point,

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Speaker 4: who are we? Are we going to play down to

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Speaker 4: Can we just go out and make it happen? And

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Speaker 1: Like it.

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Speaker 3: It was just a Jason's like a pharmaceutical in the

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Speaker 1: I don't Jay Bell had had a phone call being like,

439
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Speaker 1: you just need to make sure that you don't get

440
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Speaker 1: yourself into legal troubles again again.

441
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Speaker 4: You do it, don't you? Don't you do it? Don't you?

442
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 4: This is all just football talk for fun in between.

443
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Speaker 1: The lines, but you do have a point in there,

444
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:45,960
Speaker 1: just just to touch on that though quickly. And we

445
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 1: do hear about the NFL a lot, but it is

446
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,680
Speaker 1: really true, is that the best teams they they might

447
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,360
Speaker 1: just about be able to be other really good teams,

448
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 1: but they can destroy teams that they're are not as

449
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Speaker 1: good as them. And the Arizona Ardinals this is a

450
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,880
Speaker 1: definite example of a team that they should be able

451
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Speaker 1: to beat.

452
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Speaker 3: Key based on the fact that it's unpredictable to know

453
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Speaker 3: which version of the Jags is going to show up.

454
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Speaker 3: I think we lose sixty five three.

455
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Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm joking.

456
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 2: I'm joking, of course.

457
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:23,880
Speaker 3: Points I think I really like Jason's twenty eight to fourteen.

458
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Speaker 3: I think that's really good. I'm going to go with

459
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,640
Speaker 3: to make it different, I'm going to go with another blowout.

460
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 3: Let's go thirty two, three.

461
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,439
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, why not?

462
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 3: I don't care about winning the prediction game, about being wild,

463
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,160
Speaker 3: stupid and getting one right one week.

464
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Speaker 1: Let me tell you a very quick story that I

465
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 1: may have told you before, but a while ago, I

466
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 1: was working in this at this radio station and there

467
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 1: was one person there who was like, right, I'm doing

468
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 1: a marathon. If you if people like you know, guess

469
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Speaker 1: my marathon time, then you get a prize. Okay, So

470
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 1: what I did is I waited until last and I

471
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Speaker 1: just put the slowest time because.

472
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Speaker 2: You don't know what's going to happen in a marathon,

473
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:09,159
Speaker 2: do you.

474
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: Anyway, I won, So this is a good example where

475
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 1: you two have gone. So like Nat Jacks have got

476
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 1: there is all I need to do to get closest

477
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 1: is just have a tighter game.

478
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Speaker 2: So what I'm going to go with twenty eight twenty five?

479
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know they could be up two scores

480
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 4: and then on the fourth quarter they make it even

481
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 4: you know, it kind of kind of comes back.

482
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Speaker 3: So yeah, fourth quarters this season, I'm going to.

483
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Speaker 1: Be honest, Okay, I will see how we get on

484
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Speaker 1: j Bell, What's what's going on this week for you?

485
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 1: Have you got anything fun? And anything or you know, chilling.

486
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 1: After all the international games are done.

487
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Speaker 4: Now I'm head of to Chicago. Man, I go to Chicago.

488
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,640
Speaker 4: We're going to do the game out there, and then

489
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Speaker 4: I am going to go from Chicago to Dallas for

490
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Speaker 4: the Thanksgiving game. So I'm on the road.

491
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Speaker 2: Fellas, no biggie, no biggie.

492
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Speaker 3: Have a Thanksgiving in the States, man, it's.

493
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Speaker 4: Been a long time, you know, It'll be good. I

494
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 4: usually celebrated out here a couple of my friends from

495
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 4: the from the US. We have a cool little vibe.

496
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Speaker 4: But I'm going to be in Dallas, so I see

497
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Speaker 4: my agent and one of my teammates who I'm really

498
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Speaker 4: good friends with that lives out there. It'll be cool

499
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 4: to be like being with family. Be a good, good

500
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Speaker 4: good time. Yeah, be cool. All right?

501
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Speaker 1: Just before you go, Jason, can we speaking to Andrew

502
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Speaker 1: Winger the safety of course for the Jacksonville Jaguars. Shortly

503
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Speaker 1: two questions as a form of safety yourself, what should

504
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Speaker 1: I ask him?

505
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Speaker 2: Do you reckon?

506
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Speaker 4: First of all, I like how he came up through

507
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Speaker 4: the ranks a lot of special teams before he became

508
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Speaker 4: a starter, So ask him about his ability to really

509
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,360
Speaker 4: communicate out there and keep everybody on the same page.

510
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 4: I mean, one thing about being a great special teamers

511
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 4: is how you relate to everybody on the team. You know,

512
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 4: doesn't matter what side of the ball you play on,

513
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 4: because everybody's out there together. And I think he does

514
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 4: a really good job verbally keeping everybody on the same page.

515
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 4: And just talk about those the skills he have with

516
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Speaker 4: that that he has with that, because that is underappreciated

517
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 4: at that position, you know, being able to just direct traffic.

518
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 1: And the other thing I wanted to ask is what

519
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: can I drop in to make myself seem like really

520
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Speaker 1: knowledgeable about the safety position.

521
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 4: Really knowledgeable at the safety per But.

522
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Speaker 1: You know to the point where you ask a question

523
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Speaker 1: and the person that you're interviewing is like, Wow, this guy,

524
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: this guy knows his stuff.

525
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Speaker 4: Yes, ask him about disguising. Ask him what's his what's

526
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Speaker 4: his go to disguise, Like whether he's making it look

527
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 4: like cover two, moving down, moving up, like as he

528
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 4: goes into that, you can talk about him understanding the timing.

529
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Speaker 4: It takes one great safety told me this, he said,

530
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Speaker 4: you know what works for me. I know how long

531
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Speaker 4: it's going to take me to get in the right place.

532
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 4: You know. So that's high level, bro. You might you

533
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 4: might want to chill out on that.

534
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 2: Do you know what? Do you know what it's going

535
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 2: to feel like?

536
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: Though, Jason is you know sometimes like when you were abroad,

537
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: let's say in France, and then you build yourself up

538
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 1: to ask a question in French, and then you ask

539
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: it and then they reply, and then you realize that

540
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 1: you have no idea what they just said, so you

541
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: can reply.

542
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 4: I got another one's easy.

543
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Speaker 2: What's your favorite cheese?

544
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 5: Now?

545
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 4: Talk about talk about trusting the quarterback's eyes, like or

546
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 4: who fools him the most? You know that kind of

547
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 4: that's to get into that some guys. Some guys will

548
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 4: tell you exactly where they're going. Like you're like, oh

549
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 4: he looks or whatever he's doing, and other ones you'd

550
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 4: be like, oh man, they just they tricked me.

551
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Speaker 1: Have you had that situation where you've had to where

552
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: you've played then and when you've been almost second guessing yourself.

553
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's gone both ways. Man. I remember playing against

554
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 4: Denver and I saw this. I was that corner, saw

555
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 4: it happen. I said, there's there's no way there throwing this,

556
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,959
Speaker 4: and I hesitated a second and it became a breakup

557
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 4: instead of a little exception return for touchdown. And then

558
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 4: one time we were playing the Rams and this quarterback

559
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 4: Mark Bulger, He's looking at me on this post and

560
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh my gosh, and I'm covering Tory Holt

561
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 4: and I'm like, it's going down. It is going down.

562
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 4: And I jumped and they double moved me. Then he

563
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 4: overthrew it. So it's all.

564
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Speaker 2: You got that one, like.

565
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's staring at me like I'm and I'm thinking,

566
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 4: oh my god, it's happening like it was also motion.

567
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 4: It's everything gonna film the whole route. I'm like, you're

568
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 4: throwing it and it just they set me up.

569
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Speaker 2: So yeah, that's a good one. That's a good one.

570
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Speaker 2: Sink of that.

571
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Speaker 4: Ja They know who to go after. They're like that

572
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 4: guy will believe.

573
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Speaker 2: Javel.

574
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Speaker 1: All right, I'll have a good time over in the stakes.

575
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Speaker 1: We speak to us said, all right, fellas, all right,

576
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: let's welcome Andrew Winging to the podcast.

577
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Speaker 2: So juwey I should say, how you doing, man?

578
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Speaker 5: Good? How are you appreciate its good?

579
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Speaker 1: Oh?

580
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 2: No, man, it's it's it's it's just our it is

581
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 2: our honor. All right, let's get to it.

582
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Speaker 1: I want to touch quickly upon the last game. I

583
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Speaker 1: know that you're like fully focused now and the game

584
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: against the Cards, but I'll focus on the last game

585
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 1: just really quickly. I want you to tell me your

586
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,719
Speaker 1: highlight of that win against the Charges.

587
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 7: I wouldn't say it was one particular play. I think

588
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 7: it was just the juice and the energy that everyone

589
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 7: played with. You know, we were obviously coming off a

590
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 7: tough loss the week before, and it's like, you know what,

591
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 7: it's reality. You got to accept it.

592
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 5: For what it is and move on.

593
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 7: The resilience we showed to put that behind us and

594
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Speaker 7: come out and just you know, go play with total

595
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 7: abandon and do it together and bring Jews. It was

596
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 7: that's kind of the culture of the team. And I

597
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 7: would say it was just the highlight is being that

598
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Speaker 7: that it was a culture win in terms of, like

599
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Speaker 7: I said, just the jewice, the energy, and that equated

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Speaker 7: to some really good outcomes. And it's fun when you're

601
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 7: in the fourth quarter and it's thirty five to six

602
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 7: and you're not in a one score game, sweating like crazy,

603
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 7: sweating bolt. That was nice that that actually was my

604
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 7: highlight now that I think about it.

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Speaker 1: What happens when you when you get out on the

606
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: field and you realize, ah, they've benched, they've benched the quarterback.

607
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: Do you is there like a I feel like, okay,

608
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: we've got this. They've they've they've taken, they've resigned almost.

609
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 5: Well in a way. Yeah.

610
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 7: But you know, me myself knowing that backups are the

611
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 7: guys you should honestly fear the most in this league

612
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 7: because they're they're sitting back, you know, hungry at the

613
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 7: bit in their NFL players too, So you've never really

614
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 7: kind of you know, take a playoff or anything like that.

615
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 7: But you definitely are like, okay, well, you know, I

616
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 7: think it's over at this point. But I know for

617
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 7: sure as a dB, when I see a backup come

618
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 7: in late in the game, I'm like, all right, I'm

619
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 7: gonna screw my job. I'm gonna go get a pick

620
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 7: or something.

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Speaker 1: So that well, you touched you touched upon it a

622
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Speaker 1: moment ago. It was, you know, a week after a

623
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Speaker 1: tough loss. You know when it you can imagine kind

624
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Speaker 1: of you can go two ways after a tough loss,

625
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Speaker 1: can't you, Like you can be really down or you

626
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: can try and you know, you know, take that resilience

627
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: of the team. I imagine that that was a week in

628
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,479
Speaker 1: which the leaders of the team really needed to step up.

629
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Speaker 1: I just want to know if you can tell me

630
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: about any of your teammates, maybe coaches, that made their

631
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: presence known in the week prior to that game.

632
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Speaker 5: Yeah. Everyone.

633
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 7: I mean, it wasn't like one guy just came up

634
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 7: and went, you know, rah rah this, rah rah that.

635
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 7: But even even Coach Cohen came up to me because

636
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 7: you know, we had a lot of guys down in

637
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 7: the secondary, and he even challenged me as a leader

638
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 7: because you know, I'm not a captain, but I'm kind

639
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 7: of a you know, I'm a locker room kind of leader.

640
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 5: I've been here a long time. Guys have respect for

641
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 5: what I say.

642
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 7: So he challenged me even to get these young guys

643
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 7: on the same page and dialed in on the calls

644
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 7: and stuff.

645
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 5: So I thought that was really cool of him.

646
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Speaker 7: And you know, the resilience of the team goes to

647
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,719
Speaker 7: the coach, and Coach Cohen this year has done an

648
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 7: amazing job of whether we've won or we've lost, He's

649
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 7: kept such an even keel and you know, kept the

650
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 7: perspective really good, and he's always given us good, you know,

651
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 7: mental training nuggets about how to persevere through this and that. So,

652
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 7: to be honest, it was him. You know, in years past,

653
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 7: I know, you know, we would have probably crumbled after

654
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 7: a loss like that and been like, oh, dang it,

655
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 7: you know, we you know, we have to win those games.

656
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 5: But you know that happens. This is the NFL.

657
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Speaker 7: So his leadership has been fantastic and it's trickled down

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Speaker 7: to everybody.

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Speaker 1: Well, I wanted to give a big shout out to

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Speaker 1: a colleague of yours, a teammate of yours, Josh heinz Allen,

661
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Speaker 1: who got that sack record. Can you tell me what

662
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Speaker 1: it's like to suit up alongside him every weekend.

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Speaker 5: It's fantastic.

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Speaker 7: You know, me and Josh are the last two guys

665
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Speaker 7: from the class of twenty nineteen. He was the first

666
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Speaker 7: pick and I was the undrafted probably last pick, so

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Speaker 7: it's super cool. He's one of my best friends on

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Speaker 7: the team outside of here as well, and we had

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Speaker 7: a good little party for him on Monday night after

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Speaker 7: that as well. So it's just super cool to see

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Speaker 7: a guy like that who you've been grinding with from

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Speaker 7: the jump and you know what he was like as

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Speaker 7: a rookie and to see him go from you know,

674
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Speaker 7: they put a lot of pressure on first round draft

675
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Speaker 7: picks and he's become everything and more.

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Speaker 5: So I'm super happy for him.

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Speaker 7: And he's just a better guy than he is a player,

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Speaker 7: So to see him get reward like that, it's super cool.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you just mentioned there you're an undrafted free

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Speaker 1: agent is stuck around in the league.

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Speaker 2: I think it's fair to.

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Speaker 1: Say, you know, it's been a You've been with the

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Speaker 1: same team, but it's been a journey for you. You know,

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Speaker 1: actually a journey that loads of players that come into

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Speaker 1: two NFL teams that are in your position, well they

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Speaker 1: don't make I'm wondering how much you think about where

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Speaker 1: you've come from, you know, since you got picked up

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Speaker 1: by the Jags.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's super cool just to think about it in retrospect,

690
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Speaker 7: just you know, it's God at the end of the day.

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Speaker 7: It really makes me put more into my faith of like, wow,

692
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Speaker 7: like he really brought me along and you know, move

693
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Speaker 7: mountains for me. So I'm just proud of of buying

694
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Speaker 7: into him and doing my thing and never you know,

695
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Speaker 7: never seeing myself as oh, you're an undrafted free agent, like,

696
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Speaker 7: oh this or that. I had the mentality of all right,

697
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Speaker 7: well you step on the grass, prove it to me,

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Speaker 7: and I, you know, I was. I even told one

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Speaker 7: of my coaches the other day, like I wanted to

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Speaker 7: get drafted. Obviously every kid wants to get drafted. But

701
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Speaker 7: we were talking about life lessons and it was like

702
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Speaker 7: me going undrafted was the best thing that could have

703
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Speaker 7: happened for me. It kind of woke me up, kind

704
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Speaker 7: of you know, got that fire back in my gut,

705
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Speaker 7: brought the dog out in me. So it was a blessing.

706
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Speaker 7: And here I am today and it's just super cool.

707
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Speaker 7: You just believe in yourself and go be a dog.

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Speaker 2: So we have.

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Speaker 1: A former NFL dB that's on the show every week,

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Speaker 1: Jason Bell. I asked him what I should be asking you.

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Speaker 1: He wants to know about your ability to communicate. How

712
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Speaker 1: are you able to keep everyone on the same page,

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Speaker 1: whether it's on you know, defense or special teams.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I, for whatever reason, the intangible of communication is

715
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Speaker 7: like what I do. It's like one of my It's

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Speaker 7: one of the things that I was just blessed with. Obviously,

717
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Speaker 7: anyone in my family would tell you I'm extremely loud,

718
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Speaker 7: So that's one key to it. But then just the

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Speaker 7: demonstrative just kind of you know, I love I studied

720
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Speaker 7: history growing up. I love, you know, warfare and studying

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Speaker 7: all that stuff. And I've always kind of seen myself

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Speaker 7: as you know, you know, a squad leader kind of

723
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Speaker 7: this or that, kind of getting guys lined up, and

724
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Speaker 7: for whatever reason, I'm just really good at that. And

725
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Speaker 7: and you know, guys when they're on the field with me,

726
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 7: for whatever reason, they you know, you just see them

727
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 7: every play just kind of sideye me, kind of look

728
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 7: at me like are we doing this? We're doing that,

729
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 7: and I just kind of get them, get them in

730
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Speaker 7: the right spot. And it's just like I said, it's

731
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Speaker 7: natural to me. So I think it's kind of a

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Speaker 7: calming effect to my boys out there.

733
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Speaker 5: When you're all on the same page.

734
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Speaker 7: It gets you out of your own head and here's

735
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Speaker 7: someone else barking.

736
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Speaker 5: At you and telling you what to do.

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Speaker 7: It kind of just focuses you in So that's I

738
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Speaker 7: don't know how I do it, but that's why I do.

739
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Speaker 7: I play a ton of call of duty in war zone,

740
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Speaker 7: so I'm sure the communication stems from that.

741
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Speaker 2: So I mean, that's it. That's it. That's so, that's

742
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Speaker 2: what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: Basically, you'd recommend anybody that wants to be an NFL

744
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Speaker 1: player get on war Zone.

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Speaker 2: That's what you're saying.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, I'm down, down to down, I'm pushing. I'm pushing.

747
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Speaker 5: Let's move left. You know, it's like, it's what you do.

748
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Speaker 2: Do you want to talk about QB eyes?

749
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Speaker 1: Can you tell us about the difference in some quarterbacks

750
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Speaker 1: you've faced and how you've learned to trust your instincts

751
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Speaker 1: on whether you've learned to believe the eyes of a quarterback.

752
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Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 7: You know, you play some quarterbacks who they're just gonna

754
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 7: stare things down and they don't really try to manipulate you.

755
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Speaker 7: And obviously those quarterbacks usually don't last very long. So

756
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 7: you get down the road, you know, you play the Herberts,

757
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 7: the mahomes Is, all those guys. You play Rogers. It's

758
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 7: like they're gonna look another way just to get you

759
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 7: to go somewhere to throw the ball to the complete

760
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Speaker 7: opposite way. So sometimes you got to buy into it

761
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 7: and sometimes you don't. It's just studying on a lot

762
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Speaker 7: of tape and kind of getting to read on them.

763
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Speaker 7: But once you get out there, you really don't have

764
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Speaker 7: time to think. So hopefully you studied enough, or hopefully

765
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Speaker 7: you just have the intuition to think he's looking you

766
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Speaker 7: off or he's not. So that's definitely a big thing.

767
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Speaker 7: But some of these guys are just so good at

768
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Speaker 7: you know, even mahomes like he does the no look

769
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 7: like it's become crazy. So you really just kind of

770
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Speaker 7: trust your rules and hope you make the right decision.

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Speaker 4: Do we.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much? Good luck against the cars this weekend.

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Speaker 5: Beautiful, Thanks Jay, Thanks for having me Jay.

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Speaker 3: What a lovely chat with Dewey Winger. He comes from

775
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Speaker 3: excellent stock. I am lucky enough to have met his

776
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Speaker 3: parents and now lovely, which explains why Dewey is also

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Speaker 3: so lovely.

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Speaker 1: What sort of chat do his parents? How do you

779
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 1: have a nice conversation with them?

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Speaker 3: They were as chatty as him, I will put it

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Speaker 3: that way.

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Speaker 2: That's a good thing, all right?

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Speaker 3: Then?

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Speaker 2: Okay, that was a good episode. That was nicer and

785
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Speaker 2: it's always better with the win.

786
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Speaker 1: Next game, of course, Arizona Cardinals in the in the desert.

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Speaker 2: It doesert.

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Speaker 1: It kind of is did you call it in the desert?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, in a very different climate to Florida. Let's just

791
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Speaker 1: put it that way. Nine oh five on Sunday, UK.

792
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Speaker 2: And Irish time. Of course, how are you watching.

793
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Speaker 1: It, King?

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Speaker 3: I will be watching it on my TV in the

795
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Speaker 3: cart but yeah, with one of my best friends who

796
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 3: is a Patriots fan.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, I'm speeching, speeching a few days and of

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00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: course we'll have Jay Bell on from.

799
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Speaker 2: From the United States.

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Speaker 1: This has been a shooting sharp production for Jacksonville, Jaguars

801
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Speaker 1: UK and Ireland in partnership with Gallagher.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back next week.

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