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Speaker 2: It's spooky. I'm really sure it's dead. He's coming this way.

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Speaker 1: Ross Dress.

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Speaker 2: Hey boo, it's me Ras you guys.

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Speaker 3: I am joined by an icon on today's episode, Raja

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Speaker 3: Raja Gemini, which is Raja Raja is so incredible and.

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Speaker 2: You'll hear from this.

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Speaker 3: I I actually don't know Raja, and it's it's weird

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Speaker 3: that I don't, but she was very instrumental in my

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Speaker 3: my young days pre being a drag perform and I

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Speaker 3: would go see her and I remember thinking, that is

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Speaker 3: the most beautiful human being I have ever seen in person.

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Speaker 3: And yes I do have a mirror, and I just

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Speaker 3: to me, she's just the epitome of cool. And then

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Speaker 3: she went on to do drag Race. She won RuPaul's

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Speaker 3: Drag Race season three. And she's also hilarious and has.

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Speaker 2: Some ghost stories.

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Speaker 3: So we recorded this about a month ago, and you're

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Speaker 3: really gonna enjoy this, I think, because she comes. She

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Speaker 3: comes correct with these stories today and I got a

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Speaker 3: good one for you next week. Oh, podcast is going

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Speaker 3: well over here. I love it when people send me

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Speaker 3: ghost stories, and I don't always I haven't lately. I

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Speaker 3: haven't been reading that many because I haven't been getting

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Speaker 3: that many written out. And it's okay. I'm sure you

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Speaker 3: guys are very busy, but if you have one, you know,

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Speaker 3: you could always email me I go stood by rosigmail

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Speaker 3: dot com, or leave it in a five star review

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Speaker 3: on Apple podcasts. But here's one that I recently noticed.

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Speaker 3: This one came from I want to say. Their name

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Speaker 3: is Lese and it says Hi Roz was listening to

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Speaker 3: your February fourth show with Jess Ambrose Lover. You're discussing

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Speaker 3: never seeing ghosts from the waist down. Well, one time

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Speaker 3: I was walking my dog Tyler and glanced up to

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Speaker 3: see an old high back wooden chair all by its

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Speaker 3: lonesome on the corner in San Francisco. Finding abandoned furniture

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Speaker 3: is one of the best ways to acquire nice, new

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Speaker 3: for you pieces. I considered picking it up, but something

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Speaker 3: odd caught my eye. Movement of fluttering in the breeze.

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Speaker 3: Closer Now I saw air of legs draped in pattern

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Speaker 3: loose flowing pants seated in the chair. It wouldn't seem

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Speaker 3: I could see the chair through the pants. I was transfixed, thrilled, unnerved.

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Speaker 3: As I circled the chair with the transparent lower torso

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Speaker 3: decided not to bring it home with me. The chair

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Speaker 3: know that coind reminds me of is in Beetleteos when

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Speaker 3: there's like the waiting room and there's that woman and

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Speaker 3: two legs, just like sitting there. That's an amazing story.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for sending me that. And I love the gorgeous pants.

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Speaker 3: Maybe they were some type of pantaloon or a palazzo pant. Gorgeous, guys.

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Speaker 3: I want to hand it on over to our episode today.

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Speaker 3: Of course, if you want to hear a little extra,

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Speaker 3: you can always go to patreon dot com slash razjezz

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Speaker 3: Falas to hear Raja's thoughts on some unexplained phenomenals, including

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Speaker 3: Ouija boards and sleep paralysis and you know that kind

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Speaker 3: conversation with winner of RuPaul's Drag Race Season three, Raja Gemini,

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Speaker 3: and with the show Oh my God, I am starstruck

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Speaker 3: because I am joined by Raja.

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Speaker 2: Hello, how are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing good your stars.

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 1: I love when people are struck.

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Speaker 3: You don't even understand. First of all, you're one of

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Speaker 3: No, I know I've never worked with you, because I

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Speaker 2: You mean so much to me.

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Speaker 3: Seriously, I I even during the pandemic, and I know

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Speaker 3: And then I started listening to your podcast with Delta

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Speaker 3: It felt like I was like in a dressing room.

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Speaker 3: You guys were talking about places I used to go

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Speaker 2: I want to be like them.

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Speaker 3: It brought me back so much and has given me

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's wonderful. I love that. I love that because

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I really appreciate hearing that from you,

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Speaker 1: Like I said, I love it when people are starstruck.

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Speaker 1: Is I fucking worked hard for people to be starstruck

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Speaker 1: for decades? Sis? No, I was just gonna ask you

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Speaker 3: I mean people could say they raz I'm not a

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Speaker 1: I I have definitely embraced the masculine parts of me.

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Speaker 2: Well, I want to hear if thou will doubt tell us.

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Speaker 3: About your your your paranormal relationship. I want to know, well,

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Speaker 1: On a personal note, death has been a recurring conversation

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Speaker 1: But you know, so I I have friends who've died

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Speaker 3: So I totally agree. Like, I think that having conversations

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Speaker 3: And it's just I still don't I don't know what

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in one in one way or another. And a

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Speaker 3: Do you think that your cultural upbringing has informed your

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Speaker 3: So what's going on in your apartment? Because I've heard

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Speaker 2: Long have you been there?

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Speaker 1: I've lived in this apartment now almost five years. Previously

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Speaker 1: And I always kind of felt that in West Hollywood.

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Speaker 1: But there's this one little nook and this closet door

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Speaker 2: And this isn't scary to you.

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Speaker 1: Not really. I mean, I don't really have a choice.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Carol Channing or what, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: really one that was unframed. It was just the canvas

432
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: of Carol Channing flying across. So I actually love it

433
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 1: until I feel threatened by it, you know, will I move?

434
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 1: But no, I'm I'm actually fascinated by it, and I

435
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 1: am I almost prefer my my buildings with a little

436
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: bit of a little bit of ghost flavor in it.

437
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: You know, is do you have.

438
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,959
Speaker 3: Any interest in doing a say once or getting someone

439
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 3: in there and and you know, maybe a medium or

440
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 3: something like that.

441
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 1: Yes, I think about that, and I you know, and

442
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: I've done some research through friends, I've asked about it,

443
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: and one day I will It's not a priority. Again,

444
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: it's not anything that I'm afraid of. And until it

445
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: does scare me, then then I'll take those those measures.

446
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: But otherwise I'm fine with it. I actually find it

447
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: quite like sweet.

448
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 2: Is that I find that beautiful?

449
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: You know.

450
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 3: I if I was to have a ghost, I would

451
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 3: want one like that. I I don't have one currently.

452
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 3: I understand why people find that stuff creepy, and and

453
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 3: I think that people's upbringings or what they learn from

454
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 3: horror movies or whatever can inform how they feel about

455
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 3: stuff like that. Some people might interpret, oh my god,

456
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 3: they through a painting that means that this this it's

457
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 3: a demon and they're going to try to kill me,

458
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 3: or you know whatever. But it seems like you have

459
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 3: a pretty good grasp on it, and and you know

460
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 3: your your gut instincts around it, and it sounds like

461
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 3: it's a really sweet thing.

462
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not afraid yet. It hasn't done anything really threatening,

463
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: so I'm I'm okay with it. But I also, you know,

464
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: I'm I'm an I'm a crazy, crazy vintage and thrift shopper,

465
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: same crazy crazy about it my entire life. And when

466
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: I pick clothing or items, you know, whether it be

467
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: furniture or whatever, I always always think about who previously

468
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: owned it. And in some ways I'm even more fascinated

469
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: to know that, you know that I'm taking the things

470
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: of people who have passed. For instance, when I lived

471
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: in West Hollywood, out of the Closet had a series

472
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: of dresses, all sort of like lycra ish of a

473
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: certain style and length and they and it belonged to

474
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: one person. I knew it right away that it belonged

475
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: to one person, because it was all the same size,

476
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: and they all had a lot of bazazz and flare

477
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: to it. And it just so happened that that week

478
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: or the previous week before those things appeared at out

479
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: of the closet Hollywood Line, Hollywood Lawn passed away, who was.

480
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 2: A big rhol legend, right.

481
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: And I firmly, firmly believe that because I met Hollywood Lawn,

482
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: and I firmly believe that many of those those dresses

483
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: that were that I found there probably belonged to her.

484
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: And and uh, if they did or they did not,

485
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: I I don't know. My strong my my feelings says

486
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: that they belong to her. So I liked her. You know,

487
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: when I when I hold those items or have those

488
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: items in my possession, I always think about the previous

489
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: owners and and and a lot of them, you know

490
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: me have died, you know, and they would have probably

491
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: been really quite happy to know that I took over

492
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: those things and that I own those things and will

493
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: wear them proudly and showcase them in one way or another.

494
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: So so I definitely have like like cozy sentimental feelings

495
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: to other people's belongings.

496
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 3: Do you so, do you do any because I I

497
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 3: they call me the bargain bin beauty ros Dresfalas, and

498
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 3: I am I have spent years in a thrift store

499
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 3: and antique store and.

500
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 2: All the stuff.

501
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 3: And people love to tell me all the time that

502
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 3: you need to burn some sage around it, you need

503
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 3: to light some palo santo, you need to do something

504
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 3: to cleanse it of its previous energies.

505
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 2: And I said, doesn't tell people.

506
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do that, and maybe I have once or twice,

507
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 3: but I like, I want to just risk it.

508
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 2: I wanna. I want to. I want to. I want

509
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 2: a little bit of that story, you know.

510
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you know, if I have a

511
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: bundle of sage around occasionally, I'll you know, light it

512
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: up and do a stroll around my apartment and say

513
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: a prayer and an incantation or whatever I think works

514
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: at that moment. But it's not a it's not a

515
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: priority for me. I'm not like, yeah, everything has to

516
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: be good. Well, they might need to be thrown in

517
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: a washing machine, that's what damn right you do?

518
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 2: Taro as well.

519
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,479
Speaker 1: Right, I'm dabbling it. I want you know, I'm always

520
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: so fascinated with all of those things. And I, you know,

521
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: and I collect tarot cards. Have your own deck, right,

522
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: I do have my own back, Yeah, I do, and

523
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: you can. You can purchase them at Raja Gemini dot com.

524
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: Go to my Instagram. It's in my store there. But yeah,

525
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: my fascination with tarot came from the first reading I

526
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: ever had, which was probably nineteen ninety three, and I

527
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: and I you know, was fascinated and so fans people

528
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: friends will always buy me different types of terrort and

529
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: I have quite a collection and a staff that's built

530
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: up and I love them. I love them for the

531
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: art and I love them for the guidance. And it's

532
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: a tool, you know, it's it's a it's tool and

533
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: it can be fun.

534
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 2: So you know you view it as like.

535
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 3: Spirits guiding it or you know, that kind of a thing.

536
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: I think, so, yeah, definitely it really it really, Yes, absolutely,

537
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,239
Speaker 1: I think I think it's just sort of manifesting and

538
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: inviting it, inviting that concept when you use these tools,

539
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: you know, So yes, I do believe in that. I do.

540
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 3: Do you have do you have any stories working at

541
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 3: like haunted venues.

542
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 2: I've been shocked sometimes to hear.

543
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 3: Like drag performers or nightlight performers tell me stories of

544
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 3: like haunted dressing rooms or haunted clubs or things like that.

545
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 2: Have you ever had anything like that?

546
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that I've had any incidences that that,

547
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: uh you know that that I would say was like

548
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: pretty significant in saying, oh my god, there was a

549
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: ghost in this one dressing room in this club. But uh,

550
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: there's definitely moments when I walked into a room or

551
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: a dressing room or a club where I'm just like,

552
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: oh shit, wow, something happened here, something, something tells me that,

553
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: something tells me in my heart, in my bones, in

554
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: my spirit, you know, you walk in and you get

555
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: the chills in your And I've even asked club owners

556
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 1: as I walked in, I'm like, how old is this building?

557
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: And they'll tell me and they'll be like, and I'll

558
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: just ask, I'm like, are there any like moments or

559
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: stories of ghosts or anything, And they're like, oh yeah.

560
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, I fucking knew it. I'm like,

561
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: you could just tell when you go into a place

562
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: and you and there's a certain thing in the air,

563
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: and I don't always know how to describe what that

564
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 1: feeling is. It's just it's a presence. It's like you're

565
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: not alone. You know, you're other than the living people

566
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: that are obviously there with you. There's definitely other spirits

567
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:44,240
Speaker 1: and other there's something there, there's and it almost becomes

568
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 1: emotional too, when you walk in and you feel that.

569
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: Does that happen to you?

570
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 3: I can't think off the top of my head. I've

571
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 3: had more experiences with like theaters than club. I feel

572
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 3: like whenever I'm working at a club, I'm always so

573
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 3: distracted by so many things, and I'm usually not alone.

574
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 3: I feel like it's kind of hard for me to

575
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 3: pick up on stuff when I'm around gigantic personalities, like

576
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 3: pick up on energies that aren't connected to a human

577
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 3: But I.

578
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:21,240
Speaker 1: Okay.

579
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 3: Jasmine masters, she told me that that place in Orange County,

580
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 3: I believe.

581
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 2: It was called Velvet.

582
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 3: It was Santa Anna that that that dressing room was

583
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 3: known to be very haunted.

584
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: Interesting, I wonder why, I wonder what it was.

585
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 2: I don't know.

586
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: Jasmine also smokes a ton of weeds, so you know

587
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: what I'm saying like, I don't know is it is

588
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: it just stone or paranoia or.

589
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 2: I think there might be something to it.

590
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 3: I think that there's something to smoke and weed and

591
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 3: see and ghost. But okay, so do you have any

592
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 3: other stories that you'd like to share?

593
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well I don't know. It's kind of well,

594
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: it's a long story. Well no, it's not. Okay. So

595
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 1: when I was living when I was living in Bali,

596
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: which is where I grew up in Indonesia, there's a

597
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: particular holiday there called Yee and yet Pee is happens

598
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 1: once a year and it is pretty much what would

599
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: be the Balanese Hindu equivalent to Day of the Dead.

600
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 2: Oh wow.

601
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: And it is a very respected holiday there. And everyone

602
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 1: takes pretty much the week off and you're you're forced

603
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: to not use electricity, to not use power, to stay

604
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: off of the streets. It's like a like a like

605
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: sort of what the pandemic was, a lockdown's lockdown and

606
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 1: and there's only certain allotted areas and times of day

607
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: for prayers and for the ceremonies and rituals that are involved.

608
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,760
Speaker 1: It's a it's a Hindu holiday, but but the idea

609
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: behind it is that it is the one time in

610
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 1: the year where the spirits return, and and the silence

611
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: and the quiet is something that's required to not disturb

612
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: or agitate any negative spirits. I think that's how it works.

613
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,919
Speaker 1: But I was I was very much a small kid

614
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: when this, when this happened, and my older sister, Rahana,

615
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: who was three years older than me, you know, I

616
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: was probably about six or seven, and my parents decided

617
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: that that we would we would somehow cheat because my

618
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,439
Speaker 1: you know, we're pretty much Westerners, like my mom grew

619
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: up mostly in the US. So she was like, be

620
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: damned if we can't watch TV and have some air

621
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: conditioning in this you know, tropical country. So we foiled

622
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: all the windows like tweakers, uh, put cardboard, you know,

623
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 1: and we we pretty much like in the evenings, would

624
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 1: lock ourselves into our parents' room and we would we would,

625
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: you know, because there there was there was there was

626
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 1: surveillance and security on the streets that would make sure

627
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: that people weren't acting up or causing any kind of

628
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: ruckus or noise or and that they were actually abiding

629
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: by these particular rules and laws of Pe. So a

630
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of expats and uh, you know,

631
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: non Indonesian people would actually go to hotels and stay

632
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: during this time and leave their homes and inhabit hotels

633
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: because that was the only place that where electricity and

634
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: such was allowed. So anyway, my older sister Rahana and

635
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: I decided that we were going to sneak out of

636
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 1: the room and we were going to go grab something

637
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: from our bedroom. And and the entire house is dark. Now,

638
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: if you can imagine Indonesia, this is probably late seventies,

639
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: early early early eighties, nineteen eighty perhaps, you know, And

640
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,959
Speaker 1: we were two little kids running around in a very

641
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: dark house with only the sound of nature around us,

642
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 1: including crickets and frogs. And you know, this is Bali.

643
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: It's lush, so and the sound of nature happening around us.

644
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: And so we were we stuck into our bedrooms to

645
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 1: get whatever toy we wanted. And then we decided we

646
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 1: were just going to stay and kind of be rebellious.

647
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: And so the two of us crawled under our bed

648
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 1: and hung out there and we just giggled, you know,

649
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: you know, like you would do like when you when

650
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,720
Speaker 1: you create a fort with your cousins or your family

651
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: members or whatever, and you would just kind of be

652
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: giggling underneath, you know, the structure, and we were underneath

653
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: the bed and till today, my sister Rohanna and I

654
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 1: will we'll tell this story often, and she's like, she remembers,

655
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: I remember my mom calling us like what are you

656
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: guys doing? Get back in here. And so we were like,

657
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,720
Speaker 1: we were scared shitless. We were like, oh my gosh.

658
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: And the sound of my mom's voice like shooting through

659
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: the dark, calling in English, telling us to get back

660
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 1: into the room. And so we ran back, you know,

661
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 1: we scurried into the room and we were terrified because

662
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: we were like, oh my gosh, Mom's gonna be so

663
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: mad at us. And we went into the room and

664
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: she's like and and we were, you know, tiptoeing in

665
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: because we didn't want to get in trouble. And we

666
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: walked in and my mom's like, hey, what took you

667
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: guys so long? And Rahanna says, well, Mom, didn't you

668
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: call us? And she's like no, She's like I been

669
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: sitting here just hanging out. My dad was in the

670
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: room with her, and Rahana's like, no, we heard you

671
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 1: yelling at us to get into the room. She's like nope,

672
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: not me, wasn't me. So you know, either my mom

673
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: is lying to us, which I don't think, because my

674
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 1: mom is one of those people who's also very aware

675
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: and intuitive of such things. Until today, you know, decades later,

676
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: we still tell this story of how whatever entity was

677
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: in the area didn't want us kids being bad and

678
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: told us to get back into the fucking room in

679
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: the dark, and it was terrifying. So there's that story

680
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: as well.

681
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 2: That's a good one.

682
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's always interesting too when I hear these

683
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 4: stories where it's like some spirit or whatever is doing

684
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 4: an impression of.

685
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, and I and I think that that

686
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: that does exist. I think that is something that happens

687
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: quite often, and and that's exactly what this story is about. It.

688
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 1: It was something mimicked, you know, my mother's voice to

689
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: give us the message like, hey, don't fuck around, go

690
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: get back in there before something gets you.

691
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 2: So, I don't know if you heard.

692
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 3: During the it was like very early pandemic, there was

693
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 3: the story that people in this village in Indonesia were

694
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 3: volunteering as ghosts to oh yes, roll off of the street.

695
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 3: They were dressing as ghosts to keep people off of

696
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 3: the street. And to keep them inside so if people

697
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 3: were wandering out, they would spook them and scare them

698
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 3: back into the house so that they wouldn't be spreading COVID.

699
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: That is a real thing. That is a real thing.

700
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: I remember that, and I and I and I and

701
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: I saw the image of the ghosts, and I forget

702
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 1: what they're called. But the particular way of wrapping dead

703
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: people there uh looks a lot like how you would

704
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: roll a joint like there's a knot. There's a knot,

705
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: there's a knot, or a twist on like that. You

706
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: would roll the body into a sheet like a burrito,

707
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: and then you would twist or not the top and

708
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: bottom where the feet and the head would be, and

709
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: the only thing that would be left exposed is the face.

710
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: And that that's kind of like the traditional burial shroud,

711
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 1: I suppose. And so I forget what they're calling. They're

712
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: called wachong or something like that. There's a name for it.

713
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: But when I saw that article and I saw the

714
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: image of it, that was something that people that people

715
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: are actually fearful of. It's because it's really because a

716
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: lot many many called many parts of Indonesia believe that

717
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: that spirits will take on a very physical form and

718
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: and and and not just in the ghost spirit way,

719
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: but it'll come and get you. So yeah, that's it

720
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: is p O c O ener g. Yeah, yeah, exactly,

721
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: that's what it's called. It's called and it's like and

722
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: they bounce like the hop you know, because they're they're

723
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: tight in their shrouds and instead of floating the they

724
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: literally hop and chase you.

725
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 3: And uh and uh, hey it works.

726
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: I kept the people kept their asses at home. They

727
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: were like, let's scare them. It's like it's it's equivalent

728
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: to like, you know, a white sheet, you know, and

729
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: with two holes in it.

730
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 3: So sure, can I play some ghost voices?

731
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 4: Yeah?

732
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: Where'd you find these at?

733
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 2: Well, let me introduce this little segment real quick. It's

734
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 2: time for EVP or ev please, So, Roger, this is

735
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 2: what I do.

736
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 3: I go to YouTube and I look up EVPs.

737
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 2: Do you know what that is? EVP?

738
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 3: No, it stands for Electronic voice phenomenal. It's when ghost

739
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 3: hunters believe they've captured a ghost speaking could be from

740
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 3: any kind of recording device. Really, and uh, there's thousands

741
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 3: of clips of this on YouTube, and some of them

742
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 3: are EVPs some of them are ev Police and.

743
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 2: Of RuPaul's Drag Race.

744
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 3: No, I don't believe they are, but I will. I'll

745
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 3: play you two of them and i'll play it for

746
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 3: you and then i'll have you guess and I'm gonna

747
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 3: give you a multiple choice, and one of them is

748
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:48,720
Speaker 3: what these particular ghost hunters believe the ghost is saying.

749
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: So uh.

750
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 3: Both of these are from a YouTube channel called Team

751
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 3: s E r T. And this first one is at

752
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 3: Penhurst State School, which I believe is in Pennsylvania.

753
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 2: And I don't know, it's kind of sexy. I don't know.

754
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 3: Tell me if you hear anything here. Okay, I'll play

755
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 3: it again. It's like a whisper. There is some background noise,

756
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,240
Speaker 3: but it's like a whisper.

757
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: All right again, Okay, Okay, I heard hot snatch, hot snatch.

758
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 3: Let me give you some options because that is not it. No, No,

759
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

760
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: And I could I could see, you know, a spirit

761
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: wanting missing some hot snatch and just needing it so.

762
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 2: Well.

763
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 3: Is it a you look crunchy? It could be a

764
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 3: shady ghost. Is it be balcony? Is it se they

765
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 3: all can see ew? Or is it d Carol Channing.

766
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Carol Channing. I think you played again.

767
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 2: Let me hear what were Okay, Okay, now I hear

768
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 2: Carol Channing.

769
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: I'm still hearing hot snatch.

770
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 3: Okay, well they believe it is. They all can see. Wait,

771
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 3: that's a creepy thing, like a ghost being, like, oh

772
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 3: my god, these ghost hunter people can see us.

773
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, I could hear I can see yeah.

774
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 2: Okay, this next one.

775
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 3: So both of these I actually just played at my

776
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 3: live Ghosted podcast that I did at Casita del.

777
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 2: Cane here in La and.

778
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 3: I this next one is one of the funniest things

779
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 3: I've ever found. Maybe it's because I've spent so many

780
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 3: hours of my life looking for EVPs and I've never

781
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 3: found one quite like this. I don't know if my

782
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 3: audience found it as funny as I did, but I

783
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 3: happened to be. I happened to stumble upon this jewel

784
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 3: and it kills me.

785
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 2: Okay.

786
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 3: The title of this video says, investigator breaks wind and

787
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 3: then a ghost says something after the fart that you

788
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 3: will hear. And this is at the Elk Lodge in

789
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 3: tamac Qua, Pennsylvania, and so you're gonna hear a fart

790
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 3: and then resist laughing and listen in for a ghost

791
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,280
Speaker 3: replying to the fart.

792
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 2: All right, here we go.

793
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: That's the whole thing. Wait, do it again.

794
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 3: I think I think that somebody farted and they heard

795
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 3: some kind of noise and they are like, damn it,

796
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 3: we have to keep the fart in. Also, ps, I

797
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 3: played this for Jackie Beat and she she thought that

798
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 3: this was like a viral video that was going I'm like, no, Jackie,

799
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 3: there's like one hundred and fifteen views on it, and

800
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 3: like at least one hundred of them are from me

801
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 3: watching this over and over again. It's just a video

802
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 3: I found online. But okay, there's a fart and then

803
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 3: a ghost saying something allegedly, here we go.

804
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: Noise because because I'm still a junior, a twelve year old,

805
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 1: thirteen year old boy in middle school. Oh my god,

806
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: that that part is epic.

807
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 3: I don't know that I even hear any words coming

808
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 3: from I hear a noise, but I don't know if

809
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 3: I hear any words.

810
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I can fart that loud.

811
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think. I don't think I

812
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: have enough like passage. I don't have a very I don't.

813
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: My ass doesn't have a lot of volume, so so

814
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of like space for air to

815
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 1: pass through to create that that wonderful rattling sound.

816
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 3: I think that this ghost center just wants to show

817
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 3: off that fart. All right, so do you do you

818
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,760
Speaker 3: have any guesses for what that ghost is saying after

819
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 3: that fart?

820
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: It sounds like it was like fart sound then went

821
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 1: to like like she sure or.

822
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 3: Or yeah yeah, like yeahs an unpleased sound. Not approving

823
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 3: of that part. Well, let me give you some options.

824
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 3: Is it so the fart happens, and then is it

825
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 3: a damn that smells bad?

826
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 2: Is it? B? Oh?

827
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could play on it.

828
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 2: Is it B? I don't like that?

829
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 3: Is it C it's got a kick to it? Or

830
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:38,399
Speaker 3: d who's playing a trumpet? All right, let me play

831
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 3: it again and tell me if you hear one of those.

832
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,959
Speaker 1: I think I think it was part sound And they said,

833
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: Carol Channing.

834
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 2: They believe it is.

835
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: I don't like that, Oh my god, god.

836
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 3: Which I kind of here, wait, let me just one

837
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 3: more time, all right, here it is.

838
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 2: I don't like it.

839
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:16,959
Speaker 1: I don't like it.

840
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh, they think it's I don't like it or

841
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 3: I don't like that.

842
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 2: I don't know.

843
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I do you think that ghosts,

844
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: like you know, spirits from another realm, can smell or

845
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: have any disapproval of human bodily functions.

846
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 2: I don't know.

847
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 3: I'm sure they can hear, because you know, people will

848
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 3: say are you here, and then they reply, So I'm

849
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 3: sure they can hear your farts.

850
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 2: I believe. I have this theory.

851
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 3: I've said before that I believe that farts are the

852
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:54,240
Speaker 3: ghost of food because food has died in your body

853
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 3: and it is now coming out in another form.

854
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

855
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 3: And so there might they they might appear. It might

856
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 3: appear like an actual green cloud to a ghost.

857
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 2: I don't know.

858
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 1: I don't know either. Wow. So many questions part of.

859
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 3: The mystery of life and the big secrets, the big

860
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 3: questions we ask have you ever been ghost stunting?

861
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: Uh? Not No, not intentionally. I like, you know, Like

862
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: I said, I spend a lot of time in Provincetown

863
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 1: and one of the things that they do is they

864
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: have a ghost tour that you can hit, a walking tour,

865
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 1: and there's a you know, and there's a a guide

866
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 1: and she's wearing a cape and she's holding a kerosene

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Speaker 1: lantern and she she guides the people through, you know,

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Speaker 1: for the ambiance and experience. Always wanted to do that.

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Speaker 1: And also I always wanted to go in the ghost

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Speaker 1: tours that they provide on the Hollywood tours, you know,

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Speaker 1: like when you go to Hollywood Bulevard and they have

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Speaker 1: like all these tours for visitors to go see, and

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Speaker 1: they go to specific places that are known to be

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Speaker 1: haunted or certain crimes murders have happened, you know, So

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Speaker 1: those things I've always always wanted to go to.

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Speaker 3: But I don't know, it's just a lot of times

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Speaker 3: I feel like like ghostly things don't happen on them.

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Speaker 3: They're fun, especially if you're like on a trip someplace

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Speaker 3: and you want to learn about like the the dark

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00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 3: history of the place or whatever. But most of the

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Speaker 3: time I feel that you're not going to see a

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Speaker 3: ghost or a ghost react to your farts or anything

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Speaker 3: like that. But you maybe hear a couple of good stories.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean, especially in Hollywood if they you know,

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Speaker 1: they're always telling you that they're going to take you

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Speaker 1: to celebrities home and stuff and you're gonna you might

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Speaker 1: see the celebrity, but you probably won't, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, Raja, you have been a true dream. You've

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Speaker 3: been a dream guest for a while. I mean, we

891
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 3: have a billion mutual friends, and I'm always weird about

892
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,760
Speaker 3: like asking friends to like hook me up with their friends.

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Speaker 2: But I've I've just waited for the right moment. I

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00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 2: happened to you know what you know and to you you.

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Speaker 1: Know what that's called. It's called what networking?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I suppose I love it.

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Speaker 3: I love a good network, but I don't want to

898
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Speaker 3: be like, hey, can you like give me your friend's

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Speaker 3: number or whatever.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just like weird. So I've just

901
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 2: like waited for the right time.

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00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 3: I told myself one day, I'm gonna run into Raja,

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00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 3: and if it comes up, it comes up, because you've

904
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Speaker 3: been a dream guest for a long time and you've

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Speaker 3: made my dream come true.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know what, I believe. I believe in timing.

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00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 1: I believe that you know, when we meet people at

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00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 1: certain times and finally get to reach out and have

909
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: the conversations we are or whatever, when you just you know,

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00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: get to what you know it is what it is,

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00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 1: and timing is everything. So we just happened to run

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00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 1: in to each other and we're Marys the other afternoon

913
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Speaker 1: and here we are together talking about paranormal activities.

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Speaker 2: So can you tell people where to find you?

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Speaker 1: You can find me at my Instagram. It's at sutan

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Speaker 1: am Roll, which is my birth name, and usually Instagram

917
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: will tell you. Instagram is really kind of the only

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Speaker 1: thing I use now. I don't use Facebook as much anymore,

919
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: if ever, but yeah, that'll tell you where I'm at,

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00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 1: where I'm touring, and you can find my merch you can.

921
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Speaker 1: You know, we'll certainly be advertising and showcasing this conversation

922
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 1: that we're having now on my Instagram. So thank you.

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Speaker 2: And let's not forget the pod.

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00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: Just tell people my podcast very that Yep, it's part

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00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: of the mom podcast team, which was created through Willem

926
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: and Alaska and Big Dipper and when one of the

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00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: great joys of my week is to get to record

928
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Speaker 1: my podcast with Delta, so pay attention to.

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Speaker 2: The joys my week too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And other than that, yeah, that's pretty much and

931
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Speaker 1: still fashion photo review once in a while, trying to

932
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Speaker 1: wean myself a little bit off.

933
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Speaker 2: Of that on YouTube, right, Yeah, yeah, not weaning.

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Speaker 1: Myself off, but I just think that there's a room

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Speaker 1: for other queens. So I'm enjoying seeing people like Nikki

936
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Speaker 1: Doll and Alexis Matteo participate in the process. But I

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00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 1: still do that and yeah, there's various things that I do.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm, Well, Raja, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: You're welcome. Thank you for having me. This was such

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00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: a fun conversation.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much to Raja. Oh that was magical.

942
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Speaker 3: If you want to hear a little bit extra, go

943
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Speaker 3: to patreon dot com slash razz blesa my second tier.

944
00:58:56,680 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 3: You can hear me talking to Raja about various explain phenomenal.

945
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Speaker 3: And this week I also posted a video on my

946
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Speaker 3: first hear of me talking about well, it's a video

947
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Speaker 3: of me and my experience at Elvira's auction. Alvira, my idol,

948
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 3: Cassandra Peterson auctioned off a bunch of iconic stuff and

949
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 3: you'll see my experience with that in that video. You know,

950
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 3: it's something I should point out. I took off Thanksgiving,

951
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 3: and I the week before I told you that I

952
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 3: was gonna take off Thanksgiving, and then I started getting

953
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 3: all these messages and people in the Facebook group.

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00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 2: And dming me and emailing me, where are you? Are

955
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Speaker 2: you okay?

956
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 3: I hope something bad didn't happen to you. And I

957
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 3: told you I was gonna be gone for just a week,

958
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 3: and so I'm fine. I'm back, obviously, and I did

959
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 3: post a full length episode on Patreon. But I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: be doing the same exact thing over the holidays. I'll

961
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Speaker 3: be doing it the thirtieth, the last weekend or last

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Speaker 3: Thursday of December. I will also be taking off the

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Speaker 3: week from this main feed. So you have been warned.

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Speaker 3: I will be fine. You will be fine, and I

965
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 3: appreciate that you guys care about me so much. Please

966
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Speaker 3: be subscribed to the show and rate it five stars.

967
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 3: Wherever you rate a podcast five stars and tell your

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Speaker 3: friends about it. Join our Facebook group called Ghosted by

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Speaker 3: rozdres Fales, send me some stories at ghosted by razatgmail

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Speaker 3: dot com, or in a five star review on Apple Podcasts.

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Speaker 3: I'm on Instagram at roz Hernandez cameos. Those are a

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01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 3: great gift for Christmas time. I'm on there at Roz

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Speaker 3: dres Vales. And that's enough out of me.

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Speaker 2: I love you all, both living and dead. But if

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Speaker 2: I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me.

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Speaker 2: Came Back Star bands are a podcast a podcast network

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Speaker 2: mm HM